Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
In reply to David's question, CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT.  What is the context of Sha'ul's letter to Galatians? When looked at properely one can (should?) easily see that the issue Sha'ul is addressing is CIRCUMCISION!  What did the Jerusalem Council determine? What we have here is the same l

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: When looked at properely one can (should?) easily see that the issue Sha'ul is addressing is CIRCUMCISION! What did the Jerusalem Council determine? What we have here is the same legalistic Judaisers causing trouble, and Sha'ul saying that legalistic observance is worthless. You are a

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread David Miller
Jeff, I also neglected to say in my last post that Terry also has pointed out that besides the issue of circumcision, there is the issue of being born of Abraham in order to be part of that covenant. For reference, pay attention to verse 13 below: Genesis 17:10-14 (10) This is my covenant, whi

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
myth (the ff. concept is not true)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:15:46 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:|| >Sha'ul specifically says, "these women are two covenants." 

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
al Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 20:15 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Jeff wrote: When looked at properely one can (should?) easily see that the issue Sha'ul is addressing is CIRC

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Jeff Powers
Mr.G? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 20:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants myth (the ff. concept is not true)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:15:46 -0500 "David M

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 20:33 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants myth (the ff. concept is not true)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:15:46 -0500

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:04:27 -0500 "Jeff Powers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mr.G?   jt: Wrong one to consult Jeff you'd be much better off reading your Bible :) "These women are two covenants; one from Mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar. Now this Hagar answereth t

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
myth (the translation is faulty)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asserts: "These women are two covenants..

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread Judy Taylor
    jt: What do you mean the translation is faulty Gary? It's the majority text.. Do you just find a translation to suit what it is you want to believe?   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:58 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (the translation is faulty)   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -050

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-16 Thread ttxpress
why aren't you followg your advice to Jeff (Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0500)?   On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:49:08 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: jt: What do you mean the translation is faulty Gary? ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Jeff Powers
:) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 23:07 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants why aren't you followg your advice to Jeff (Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0500)?   On Tue, 1

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Judy Taylor
  jt: Oh but I am Gary; I am not seeking your counsel, just curious because I find nothing about you consistent other than the word "myth".  BTW what is the ff concept ie  (the ff. concept is not true)? why aren't you followg your advice to Jeff (Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Susan Petersen
I'm not sure who you are because I don't think you have ever given your name. But, I would appreciate it if you would expound on your idea that these comments are a myth. A lot of times you write "myth." That does not help the reader see how it is a "myth" or "concept is not true." How is it a myth

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Susan Petersen
of as home, > i.e. his (true) > 'mother'-land > > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:04:27 -0500 "Jeff Powers" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: > Mr.G? > - Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sen

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Susan Petersen
Please explain what it should be translated. Suzy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > myth (the translation is faulty) > > On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 22:11:46 -0500 Judy Taylor > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > asserts: > "These women are two covenants.. __ Do yo

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: I see one covenant. God's covenant with man, begun with Abraham, amended with Moses, Again amended with David. Jeremiah prophesied a renewal, as did Isaiah, etc. That renewal was accomplished through Yeshua. The "New Covenant" is not new, it is Renewed. On what basis are you confiden

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread ttxpress
who's shaul?   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:05:27 -0800 (PST) Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> I'm not sure who you are because I don't think you> have ever given your name. But, I would appreciate it> if you would expound on your idea that these comments> are a myth. A lot of times y

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread ttxpress
you're welcome   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:12:04 -0800 (PST) Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> Thank you for this explanation It really helps in> understanding your post.> > Suzy||

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread ttxpress
(is brevity germane to 'abbreviating'? is it the othr way around? :)    (anyway, weighg the MSS evidence available allows the correction/s, below*, somewhere within the tolerence/s of the KJV and NIV renderings of Gal 4)   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:32:54 -0800 (PST) Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PR

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread ttxpress
re: > > "The[/]se women are [*the] two [*opposite] covenants..   also, "The[] women [represent] two  [opposing] covenants..     -- On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 14:40:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (is brevity germane to 'abbreviating'? is it the othr way around? :)    (anyway, weighg

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Jeff Powers
Paul - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 16:00 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants who's shaul?   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:05:27 -0800 (PST) Susan Petersen <[EMAIL P

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Jeff Powers
ersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 8:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants I'm not sure who you are because I don't think you have ever given your name. But, I would appreciate it if you would expound on your idea that the

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread ttxpress
just submitg your questions, eh?   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:39:01 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || I am not seeking your counsel ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Judy Taylor
Not any more - just forget it please it's not important - If you want to be understood you will make an effort to communicate ...   judyt   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:15:33 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: just submitg your questions, eh?   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:39:01 -0500 Judy Taylor <[E

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread ttxpress
understood   On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 18:04:25 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ..just forget it please it's not important - If you want to be understood you will make an effort to communicate ||

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-17 Thread Judy Taylor
ï jt: So Jeff what you are really saying is that when it says "NEW" Covenant and Better Promises in the book of Hebrews what it really means is same Ole, same Ole just "Reworked and Revised; and where we see "OBSOLETE and DYING" this is not so either.  IOW We still get to walk after the flesh

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-17 Thread ttxpress
ï 1. One OT issue to reconsider perhaps--sparing you the current customary comment 'myth' for now--is that while God leads Moses, God in essence leads Israel (back then); Moses, acc to his own writg, is basically a follower of God, not the leader of Israel in the independent sense depictd, be

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-17 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/17/2004 1:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suzy, meet Gary, the master of one word replies. MYTH being the predominant one. The fact that he wrote about 5 sentences this week is cause for celebration! I think he just may be coming out of his shell,

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
ï There is but one covenant (Abrahamic). It is unilateral. It is given by God and brought to fulfilment by this same God. How? In and through the obedient/Incarnate/Israelite, Jesus (Immanuel-God with us) - Original Message - From: Jeff Powers To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Judy Taylor
ï jt: Covenants are bilateral and Covenants can be broken. There have been more than one. God made Covenant with Noah, the sign being the rainbow.  Obviously you have never done a scriptural study on the meaning of Covenant. May I safely assume that your definition below is also that of Torra

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
udy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 05:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Covenants are bilateral and Covenants can be broken. There have been more than one. God made Covenant with Noah, the sign being the rainb

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread Susan Petersen
Roman 7 starts with the word "Or." So to me that means that you need to back up and get some contextual clues. I took the time to read Chp. 7 in three translations(NIV, NASB, and Complete Jewish). And I read the entire book of Romans. I couldn't stop reading (only in one tranlation). In chapter 6

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread Susan Petersen
I think that sometimes it is those who do not speak so much that are the one's with more knowledge. Judy has given up on you (so to speak). I think maybe it's just a matter of asking you the right questions. Or even one question...Could you please explain your one word response? I hope that I ca

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Susan Petersen
And you said you didn't have a way with words. Suzy --- Jeff Powers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David, > > >From the beginning of God’s creation God wanted > nothing more than a personal relationship with man. > But, man chose not to have a relationship with God. > During the rise of civilizat

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: There is but one covenant (Abrahamic). It is unilateral. It is given by God and brought to fulfilment by this same God. How? In and through the obedient/Incarnate/Israelite, Jesus (Immanuel-God with us) === Not o

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
re on a matter, one is better off  adopting a wait and see mode instead of an attack mode.   Your brother indeed   "L"man  - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 07:09 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread ttxpress
bullseye!   (Suz, I like how John handles DavidM--I hope he hangs around, too:)    On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:22:28 -0800 (PST) Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>..it's just a matter of asking..the right questions.

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
    Much like the constitution of the USA, God's covenant has been amended several times.  Do we in the USA have a new constitution today that has replace the original?   Here we go again, somebody has pryed more words out of me than I usually care to write!  Izzy, are you fol

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Suzy, meet Gary, the master of one word replies. MYTH being the predominant one. The fact that he wrote about 5 sentences this week is cause for celebration! I think he just may be coming out of his shell, but it is too soon to tell! Jeff Don't get your hopes up.  What actual

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
As to your second observation, you would be correct.Now, as to THAT OBSERVATION, I wish to add the following: It may be that none of 'us' has adequately represented the theology within. Please, do not be dismissive of that which you may not yourself adequately apprehend. Already one perso

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
Projector please not, a protector. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:21 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants Suzy,meet Gary, the master of one word replies. MYTH being the predominant

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
There was and, you failed. Seriously though, I believe you may have approached the opportunity with a bias. Possible? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:41 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
No, Terry, stick to your guns!  You have more sense that all of L-man’s authors put together. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Ah, yes…the liberals continue to pile on. J   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 8:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants   Projector please not, a protector

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   There was and, you failed. Seriously though, I believe you may have approached the opportunity with a bias. Possible? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:41 Subject: RE

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
; Good pedagogy! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? No, Terry, stick to your guns!  You have more sense that all of L-man’s authors put together. J

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
2004 8:41 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   There was and, you failed. Seriously though, I believe you may have approached the opportunity with a bias. Possible? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   Do you have a 'time out' corner? Go, sit in it then, come back (15 min will do) WE ALL...I SAID ALL...HAVE BIASES..PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Fortunately, my children are smarter than I am.  And they would agree with Terry, too. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 9:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
that you don't already know..just stick to your guns' Good pedagogy! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 09:45 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
Sorry, that is what you said. Where's the corner? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 11:58 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Isn’t that what I just said below??? (Are you hard of hearing?

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Brother Terry:   As you do not know whereof you speak I'd suggest a little homework prior to identifying what you read as both 'myth & dog doo doo'. You possess, I believe, an anemic grasp of The Incarnation. When one is nescient of both ancient and contemporar

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
x27;nescience') is not a virtue. Not knowing is fine as that applies to all of us. Celebrating not knowing..well...that ain't smart...with or without college.  - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 13:01 Subjec

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Hughes Jonathan
emasculated males on this forum.  As one man to another Terry, consider yourself rebuked.   Jonathan  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 1:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Lance Muir wr

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Terry:You obviously have received 'wisdom from the word'. I read all of your posts. I trust that if any of your young 'uns got 'knowledge from the college' that you do not think less of them for that.   I'm most certainly NOT educated above my ability to lea

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Lance Muir
Fair 'nuff, Terry. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 18, 2004 14:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Lance Muir wrote: Terry:You obviously have received 'wisdom from the word&#x

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Terry Clifton
Hughes Jonathan wrote: Terry,   I doubt calling someone's apprehension of the unilateral covenant (Read gospel and therefore read Jesus Christ.  We do not divide God's action from God's being.) a pile of dogshit or a man-made story would be the reason the Lord has placed you on

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/18/2004 11:58:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Canât somebody send him a surge protector??? Iz :-) J

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/18/2004 11:58:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An old saying, but a true one.  "You get knowledge from college.  You get wisdom from the word".  The two are not the same.  Some people are educated far above their ability to learn. That is very possibly

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/18/2004 11:59:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David repeatedly states his position that we have emasculated males on this forum.  As one man to another Terry, consider yourself rebuked.   Disappointed, as well. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread Jeff Powers
:) - Original Message - From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 7:51 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > And you said you didn't have a way with words.> > Suzy> > --- Jeff Po

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
Your gallantry is only exceeded by your generosity.  J Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   I seriously doubt that they are

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-18 Thread ShieldsFamily
emasculated males on this forum.  As one man to another Terry, consider yourself rebuked.   Jonathan  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Cov

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and told me about this exchange (with the "S" word). She was rolling on the floor, so to speak.   I was afraid I would return this morning to the disappearance/banning/crucifixion of Jonathan Hughes. Jonathan... you're still here, right?   I d

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ï jt: I didn't see this yesterday - had to leave the house early -  but I would wholeheartedly second Terry's motion. What's wrong with reading the Bible?  I never see you quote it Lance and when Jonathan does he apologizes.  There is something really wrong with this picture   On Thu, 18

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ï     On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:07:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: What is 'obvious' to you is incorrect as I have done such a 'study'. This word 'study', though somewhat appropriate, is not one of my favourite words when used concerning those words through which we com

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
orning. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 06:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: I didn't see this yesterday - had to leave the house early -  but I would wholehear

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
ated another's beliefs here in our store that protracted conversations were rarely had. From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 06:49 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?     On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 06:07:36 -

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Slade Henson wrote: My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and told me about this exchange (with the "S" word). She was rolling on the floor, so to speak.   I was afraid I would return this morning to the disappearance/banning/crucifixion of Jonathan Hughes. Jonathan..

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
: November 19, 2004 06:48 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Slade Henson wrote: My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and told me about this exchange (with the "S" word). She was rolling on the floor, so to speak.   I was af

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Bill Taylor
19, 2004 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? The 'liar' responds:Rather than ask you to demonstrate wherein lies the lie; I'd like to ask our 'prodigal brother' to compose a readable, relatively concise outline of the Gospel as he has come to

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
I'll neither wish nor hope for snow as I understand that it's absence is work therefore, money. Thanks,   Lance the hopeful - Original Message - From: Bill Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 08:27 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
ï     On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:08:41 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judyt:I seem to recall having said to you and, to Linda that I honestly believe both of you to be 'doers' of the Word. I further believe that, not unlike many on TT, it is POSSIBLE that the 'account you giv

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Seems to me like God used similar terminology in the Bible, didn’t He? Izzy   I'd much rather deal with someone like Terry even if he does use interesting terminology at times.  Our 2yr old grandson is here today so I am hearing 'poo poo' a lot  - Terry's version is 

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, I think this is a good example of how we often misunderstand Lance simply because he talks much like “C3PO” on Star Wars.  I think he was not saying that you have not “arrived”.  I think he was saying that you should cite more scriptures in support of what you said.  (Now THAT’s inter

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Judy, I think this is a good example of how we often misunderstand Lance simply because he talks much like “C3PO” on Star Wars.  I think he was not saying that you h

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
jt: Hi Bill Taylor, it's good to see you are still around ...   Lance writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'?   jt: Judy asks:  What is the "theory of everything and why is it important?"   Answer:The Incarnation   jt: Oh Good, you answered your o

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Judy, I think this is a good example of how we often misunderstand Lance simply because he talks much like “C3PO” on Star Wars.  I thin

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
r To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 09:42 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? jt: Thanks for the interpretation Izzy. I used to post more scripture but stopped because there was never any response and it was a lot of work finding chapter

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
8:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   As to 'interpretation':You are correct on the former and incorrect on the latter.   Ladies both:Your lives carry the day while your 'posts' SOMETIMES do not. But, so could it be said of us a

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
ROFL!!!   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?   I believe that naught will come from further pursuance of this 'thread'.

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 2:58:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My wife called me yesterday on my way to school and to

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 3:54:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? Answer:The Incarnation   It is well and wise to think of  internal relations. Do not stop with the external. Indwel the Scriptures

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After careful thought, there is no question that I could have chozen a better term to describe Lance;s comment than to call it dog doo doo.  >From now on, when I read a lie on this list,  I will simply call i

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 11/19/2004 6:24:31 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As to 'interpretation':You are correct on the former and incorrect on the latter. Ladies both:Your lives carry the day while your 'posts' SOMETIMES do not. But, so could it be said of us all.(as to the 'po

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Judy Taylor
      John writes: I cna think of a number of scriptures that support the above  --   soo, why is it imcumbant upon Lance to quote them.  Is it not enough that he incorporates the scriptures as he understands them into his writings?      jt: No, so far as I'm concerned it's not enough

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'? Answer:The Incarnation   It is well and wise to think of  internal relations. Do not stop with the external. Indwel the Scriptures.   Example of 'internal' thinking:Slade's post this morning. I cna think of a n

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
27;s' forthcoming epistle. > Beep Beep again > - Original Message - > From: Judy Taylor > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: November 19, 2004 09:42 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > > > jt: Thanks for the inte

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
A good word, Suzy. Okay! :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Petersen Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? When I signed up for Truth talk I was under the

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
I think that's what the Jman just said. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 19, 2004 11:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?       John writes: I cna think of a numb

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread ShieldsFamily
.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants   Seems to me like God used similar terminology in the Bible, didn’t He? Izzy   I'd

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Powers
Well, King James calls it DUNG Jeff - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
Well said! By the by there's none of this in what church? - Original Message - From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: November 19, 2004 11:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > When I signed up for Truth talk I w

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Slade Henson
mber, 2004 10.48To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?In a message dated 11/19/2004 4:55:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After careful thought, there is no question that I could have chozen a better term to describe Lance;s comment than to c

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants

2004-11-19 Thread Jeff Powers
1Kings 14, is that like,"You're pissing on my back and telling me it's raining"? Words of wit from Jeff, the decrepit juvinal delinquit! - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:58 Sub

RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Hughes Jonathan
t: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'The Theory of Everything'?Answer:The Incarnation  It is well and wise to think of  internal relations. Do not stop with the extern

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Terry Clifton
Susan Petersen wrote: I am saddened by this. Instead of focussing on God's Word, there is arguing and tearing down. If we truly are the body of Christ, we need to start acting like it. Please stop the finger pointing. "You did this." "No, I didn't." or "You meant this." "No, I didn't." Let's focus

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Susan Petersen
- > From: "Susan Petersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: November 19, 2004 11:50 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? > > > > When I signed up for Truth talk I was under the > > impression that we would be talking abo

Re: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants?

2004-11-19 Thread Lance Muir
ak is over :)   Jonathan Hughes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Two Covenants? Question:What is the theological counterpart to 'T

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