Hi,
Referring to the U2UG Charter:
Bullet #7 -- To provide a forum for the promotion of excellence in
information processing through recognition of individuals who exemplify the
best in our profession in their work utilizing the U2 product line.
My thoughts: It would seem to me that the
Dave,
As a founding father(?) I have to point out that the U2-Users list,
U2-Community list, SBSolutions list, and RBSolutions lists aren't
exactly part of the U2UG. Here's the real facts, just so all are clear:
Mike O'Rear ran the list for eight years, on his dime and with his
time.
So long as it is
appreciated, I don't mind putting in the time and I *want* your
feedback. this topic started because *I* asked. So, let's keep a good
face on it and see if we can't guide the list through another few
decades of productive use.
- Chuck History Books Barouch
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Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Argh! I just tried to agree with Bob/Wendy and forgot to reply-all.
Sorry to whoever got my email.
I really preferred the list when response went to the list.
Much as I know that correct behaviour is the current one, yes I've noticed
traffic has dropped noticeably.
I am used to the changes. I dont see a problem with it. However, the
traffic has seemed to drop. We could be missing out on some interesting
discussion. The problem is that some people have a hard time adapting
to change. I think the reply / reply to all is a nice choice to have.
Sometimes
I don't post much, and as a result maybe my opinion doesn't count. But
this reply all is a pain.
For instance this one. I clicked the reply all on the last email of this
topic. So I remove Anthony Dzikiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the
TO:. I'm sure he doesn't want my post twice. Then I
I do not like the 'reply-all' feature either.
As developers, I would hope that we would not add a feature to our user
interfaces that annoyed all of the users every time they used it, so I don't
see why we should tolerate doing it to ourselves. Presumably the list
moderator is trying to solve
In my opinion, the *reply* behavior of the mailing list needs to reflect the
announcement vs. discussion mentality of the group.
The announcement mentality puts the emphasis on announcing ideas and
issues, and promotes discussion between the poster and individuals wanting
to know more details.
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:52 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
I do not like the 'reply-all' feature either.
As developers, I would hope that we would not add a feature to our user
interfaces that annoyed all of the users every time they used it, so I
When I hit reply all, I have to:
1. remove the person's name from the To: box
2. move the Cc: name (u2-users...) to the To: box
That is a waste of my time, and tedious. If we programmed a user interface
like that we would be laughed at.
I'll vote for the old way: reply being a reponse to
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
Bruce Nichol wrote:
How many now know to Reply All if they want a moment of fame on the
list?
And this is another point. An announcement was made to the list, there was
a hullabaloo for a few days and then it blew over. How many people missed
that thread
I concur.
- Original Message -
From: Tony Gravagno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:59 PM
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
Bruce Nichol wrote:
How many now know to Reply All if they want a moment of fame on the
list
for free
but if it comes into their mailbox and they've got the time they may give a
hand.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Preece [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:50 AM
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
I've been holding back from
Interestingly, that gmane site had a posting rate chart (see link below)
which confirms that usage has dropped off. However, you can see that it
did the same last year as well so can't necessarily be attributed to the
list change being discussed.
I don't care either way. I don't post too
Moderator
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Brevik
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:52 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
I do not like the 'reply-all' feature either.
As developers, I would hope
know how to properly parse email headers? :-D
Larry Hiscock
Moderator
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Brevik
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:52 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
I
At 20:50 +1100 2006/03/16, Mike Preece wrote:
What do people think of the idea of moving this list to a google
group instead?
I would not be adverse to it. Google Groups has multiple digesting
options, both web and e-mail interface, hides the quoted text from
folks that refuse to trim the
Jerry Banker wrote:
Don't go there. I personally hate, is hate too strong a word,
having to go to a group site to find out what is going on.
From: Mike Preece
What do people think of the idea of moving this list to a google
group instead?
Jerry and others, Google Groups sends e-mail as
All,
The reason I started this thread is
because everyone's opinion matters. However, this thread is taking over
the lists. So, I am going to ask you all, to forward your thoughts to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead. Larry and I will go
through it all and see what can/should be done. We'll discuss
At 18:43 + 2006/03/16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interestingly, that gmane site had a posting rate chart (see link below)
which confirms that usage has dropped off. However, you can see that it
did the same last year as well so can't necessarily be attributed to the
list change being
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:25 AM
To: Jerry Banker
Cc: Mike Preece; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] Changes to the List
At 12:35 -0600 2006/03/16, Jerry Banker wrote:
I personally hate, is hate too strong
I would like to make a suggestion. The u2 users list has been in existence
for a LONG time. Currently, the list is managed by the U2 User Group. (Up
until yesterday, I was a member of the u2ug board, but my term expired). I
would suggest that the u2ug board appoint a small team of people to
I wasn't going to vote, because I don't care which way it is (i.e.,
reply to poster vs. reply-all). On the other hand, I _emphatically_
don't care, so I'll vote after all: I don't care.
Which is to say that I'll support, with gratitude, those who maintain
the list whichever way they end up
@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [U2] Changes to the List
All,
The reason I started this thread is because everyone's opinion
matters. However, this thread is taking over the lists. So, I am going
to ask you all, to forward your thoughts to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead
Mike Preece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do people think of the idea of moving this list to a google
group instead?
Jerry Banker [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied:
Don't go there. I think this was discussed many times and the consensus
was no. I personally hate, is hate too strong a word, having
At 15:22 -0500 2006/03/16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My biggest problem with the Useet-style newsgroups is that they are
unmoderated. There is no one to control the content or administer cyber
spankings when appropriate, nor can offensive content be removed.
Not a problem with a Google group.
These are not groups they are echoes of what is being sent to this list.
- Original Message -
From: Wendy Smoak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [U2] Changes to the List
On 3/16/06, Mike Preece [EMAIL PROTECTED
PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List - NO GOOGLE or etal...
I vote with Jerry.
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From: Jerry Banker [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:35 AM
To: Mike Preece; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stevenson,
Charles
Sent: 16 March 2006 19:47
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
I wasn't going to vote, because I don't care which way it is (i.e.,
reply to poster vs. reply-all
What? Haven't you been getting my emails?
John Cassidy
Unix Sys Admin
DCCCD
u2ug [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/15/06 7:29 PM
All,
We've now been living with the change to the lists for nearly a
month. I'd like to invite opinions on the change. Are we all happy now
that we are used to it?
On 3/16/06, Mike Preece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been holding back from putting this question, in the hope that the
initiative might come from within U2UG, but it seems high time...
Many, including both Clif and me, were vocal about this change
immediately. I have seen changes like this
Personally I appreciate what ever format works best for those individual
that expend the time to make this thing work.
If I have to do two things instead of one to post to the list or if I have
to shake the cobwebs out of my aged old brain to make it work then even I
will learn how to do it
We've now been living with the change to the lists for nearly a
month. I'd like to invite opinions on the change. Are we all happy now
that we are used to it? Personally, I think Larry made a good call,
but this is a community, so I want me be sure that everyone gets
heard. [snip]
Thanks
I have noticed that their seems to be less traffic as well.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Thursday, 16 March 2006 5:01 p.m.
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to the List
We've now been
Goo'day,
At 19:30 15/03/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote:
Given those numbers, it seems traffic here has dropped by almost half since
the change. Whether that's good or bad is up to the individual, but
anything that (seemingly) cuts community traffic by this magnitude deserves
some evaluation.
Bruce Nichol wrote:
How many now know to Reply All if they want a moment of fame on the
list?
And this is another point. An announcement was made to the list, there was
a hullabaloo for a few days and then it blew over. How many people missed
that thread and don't know the secret handshake to
not the
list.
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From: Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Gravagno [EMAIL PROTECTED]; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Sounds like the sky is falling
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion
when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're
Unusually, I agree with Tony.
Perhaps we should have talked on the list before making a change like this?
Craig
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This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion
when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique solution people are going to think
they're
] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 8:33 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create
At 14:03 27/02/06 -0800, Tony Gravagno wrote:
This is breaking all kinds of things including filters, remailers, and
maybe threading for some reader programs. It's going to create confusion
when people mail to one another off-list. And for anyone who isn't
familiar with this completely unique
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Nichol
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 9:57 AM
To: Tony Gravagno; u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
At 14:03
Logan, David wrote:
Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique
situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe
to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I
know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is slowly
want to wait for a bounce/reply/re-post
cycle.
Larry Hiscock
Moderator
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 4:12 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list
Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) wrote:
Sounds like the sky is falling. This is by no means a unique
situation, this works well on numerous other lists (that I subscribe
to) so why not this one? Surely the subscribers are not that silly. I
know the average age of the Universe/Unidata afficionado is
. :-)
Bill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 3:58 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
This is a relatively minor change
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett
Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:02 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
David:
I'm reminded of the building contractor who, when asked why there's no
lock
on the front and back doors
Bill Haskett wrote:
Please forgive my attitude; I've almost completed a D3 to UniData conversion
project and have been wondering why any non-MV developer would ever use U2
and any MV developer would use UniData.
Bill
I'd like to hear more of this conversion story and the opinions it
Well, maybe in the spirit of democracy, the U2UG should vote for their
preference.
I like the new way myself, as it is much harder to accidently email everyone
when I just want to respond to the sender, and easier to do both.
Before, I would have to cut and paste the sender's name into the to
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From: Mark Ballinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations
Well, geez. If we're voting, I vote for the new way. After all . . .
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