Re: [digitalradio] Re: 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-09 Thread KH6TY
activity, because the IF filter cuts them off. Live and learn, I guess... 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: Your figures for digital modes seem to assume we can use all the band from the bottom. In fact, digital starts at typically x.070 so there is really only room for half the number

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-09 Thread KH6TY
comments. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: I don't think digital voice will ever replace SSB, any more than PSK31 and other spectrally more efficient modes will replace RTTY. Radios have a long lifetime. But unlike digital modes whose bandwidth is fixed, phone can communicate using reduced

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-09 Thread KH6TY
transceivers have FSK built in these days. That is my best guess anyway. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: It also doesn't suffer from the ridiculous printing up garbage because a shift character was lost. If there ever was an outdated mode, it's RTTY. Unfortunately logic or technical

Re: [digitalradio] Re: 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-09 Thread KH6TY
understand that the emission type, phone is a mode of operation. Please refer to §97.305 Authorized emission types. 73 - Skip KH6TY expeditionradio wrote: KH6TY kh...@... wrote: Paul, it works, at least in part, because the huge numbers of US amateurs in proportion across

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Question for experts

2010-03-09 Thread KH6TY
-random manner and then convey intelligence by modulating the resulting rf carriers. 73 - Skip KH6TY Ralph Mowery wrote: Correct but you still have not answered my question. Indeed If I use one tone and key it on / off I have a cw transmitter, transmitting on the VJO frequebcy

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
mitigation. 73 - Skip KH6TY Trevor . wrote: Following the recent discussions about the US license restrictions I was looking through the archive of QST mags at www.arrl.org On April 22, 1976 the FCC introduced Docket 20777, the QST report (page June 1976) says Rather than further

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
using the interfering mode and then switch back to the one you were using. The point is only that there must be a way to communicate between stations trying to use the same frequency in order to have sharing. 73 - Skip KH6TY Warren Moxley wrote: Skip, since there is no way to cross

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless you can convince the transceiver manufacturers to include the capability in each unit, someone operating without a computer connected to his transceiver – e.g. a phone operator -- will be unable to generate the “universal QRL” signal. 73

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Olivia web site

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
Julian, An Olivia DLL already exists for MixW, but I do not think that it is documented sufficiently for others to use. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: OK. So could one create a DLL that could be called by Windows programs written in VB, VC++, Delphi etc. using MinGW? Julian, G4ILO

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
with both his call and mode. I would probably not known he was there if the had not sent the video ID, as I was in Olivia at the time. I had not worked 17m before and was looking for Olivia stations, not MFSK16. Of course the MFSK16 footprint is recognizable, but not who it is. 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] RS ID survey today on 20M

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
Andy, Isn't the current recommendation now not to use RSID for PSK31 or RTTY? Take those out, and not much RSID use at all! 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: Here are the results of two hours of monitoring the entire digital band on 20M 14065-14110 37 BPSK31 25 BPSK250 04 RTTY45 02

Re: [digitalradio] RS ID survey today on 20M

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
It is easy to imagine that the BPSK250 RSID is probably being used mostly for PSKMAIL stations, which is a good idea now. Notice how the times are clustered. 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: Exactly ! On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, KH6TY kh...@comcast.net mailto:kh...@comcast.net

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
it is welcome to do so. Maybe YOU can do it, since you already have a head start with your software experience. It is a good idea - now show us the solution! ;-) 73 - Skip KH6TY Warren Moxley wrote: I have used this Video ID myself after I have seen others do it. Some are using it to show the mode

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
But under FCC regulations, phone and data must not operate in the same space, so how could phone be used? On the other hand, CW is allowed everywhere. Too bad it is no longer a requirement for a license, as it used to be universally understood by both phone and CW operators. 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
digital modes to communicate and share. On VHF and above, where there is much more space, there is no legal separation between data and phone. ATV is only allowed on UHF because it needs so much bandwidth and therefore there needs to be more space. 73 - Skip KH6TY W2XJ wrote: But everybody

Re: [digitalradio] 1976 FCC - Delete all Emission Types from Part 97

2010-03-08 Thread KH6TY
, since they cannot practically QSY. 73 - Skip KH6TY W2XJ wrote: True but I was thinking of wideband modes in phone segments. In narrowband segments CW is still an option as it can be decoded by many digi programs

Re: [digitalradio] A question about spread spectrum

2010-03-06 Thread KH6TY
will eventually write a Shakespeare play. 73 - Skip KH6TY theophilusofgenoa wrote: I had the idea that a reason spread spectrum was not legal was that the use of a psuedo-random spreading sequence lent itself to the development of an unbreakable code (or at least a difficult to break code

Re: [digitalradio] What is SS? Senor Ros is not an honest person !

2010-03-06 Thread KH6TY
Thanks for the caution, Arnie. I will definitely scan my computer for viruses and trojans after installing running loading ROS. The fact that it already sends automatic emails makes one imagine what else might be possible once I have configured it with my email address! 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] A question about spread spectrum

2010-03-06 Thread KH6TY
, or simply not what was proposed. 73 - Skip KH6TY John B. Stephensen wrote: The HSMM working group never proposed the use of spread spectrum. It was interested in getting the maximum data rate into limited bandwidths. SS does the opposite of what the HSMM WG was interested in. It spreads

Re: [digitalradio] NEW NARROWBAND DIGITAL MODE

2010-03-05 Thread KH6TY
to use, but the 2250 Hz-wide mode would still only be legal to use over 222 Mhz. Perhaps Steinar can use his superior spectrum analysis software to confirm this. 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: *ROS v2.5.0 Beta* no-re...@wordpress.com

Re: [digitalradio] Dominoex revisited

2010-03-05 Thread KH6TY
by Doppler effects to use on SSB weak signal. 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: It has been a few years since Dominoex was added to our tool box. I still see it on the air from time to time but not on a daily basis. I wonder why it is not used ? http://www.southgatearc.org/news/december2005

Re: [digitalradio] Re:Olivia trivia

2010-03-05 Thread KH6TY
I believe that Pawel named the Olivia mode in honor of his daughter. 73 - Skip KH6TY obrienaj wrote: I hope the question is actually who IS rather than who WAS Olivia. Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Paul W. Ross deadgo...@... wrote

Re: [digitalradio] ROS controversy

2010-03-05 Thread KH6TY
Good riddance! 73 - Skip KH6TY John wrote: Andy, since you have chosen to moderate very specific posts to slant the discussion in favor of your own agenda, and that of several prominent other frequent posters, this reflector has become effectively useless to me. It is unfortunate

Re: [digitalradio] ROS controversy

2010-03-05 Thread KH6TY
of the author, who correctly described ROS as FHSS at the outset, which mode's emission signature clearly shows is true: http://home.comcast.net/~hteller/compare.zip 73 - Skip KH6TY John wrote: Andy, since you have chosen to moderate very specific posts to slant the discussion in favor

Re: [digitalradio] ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-04 Thread KH6TY
Julian, In the US, the RTTY/data segment of 20m stops at 14.150. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: Can anything be done to get the recommended frequencies for ROS on 20m shifted out of the 14.101 - 14.109 range that already has established users of other modes? On my band plan, 14.101

[digitalradio] ROS update

2010-03-04 Thread KH6TY
/11377/?nc=1 Hope to see you on ROS on UHF, 432.090 MHz, every morning between 7:30 AM and 8:00 AM. 73, Skip KH6TY FM02BT

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS operating frequencies on 20m

2010-03-04 Thread KH6TY
do what and where they wish. US amateurs, since they are governed instead by laws, face license revocation or fines if they consistently flaunt the laws. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: I thought you were in Region 2. I have the Region 2 band plan in front of me right off the IARU site

Re: [digitalradio] FCC on ROS post on ARRL website!

2010-03-04 Thread KH6TY
to put together such a petition. I believe the FCC website has instructions for submitting petitions, and Googling around will show many examples to follow. 73 - Skip KH6TY Rik van Riel wrote: On 03/04/2010 02:02 PM, Alan wrote: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2010/03/04/11377/?nc=1

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Statement on Withdrawal of Support for ROS (K3UK Sked Pages)

2010-03-03 Thread KH6TY
, or petition for use under whatever limitations are necessary to accomodate other users of the same bands in a cooperative manner. 73 - Skip KH6TY pd4u_dares wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Toby Burnett ruff...@... .. But to be honest I

Re: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users

2010-03-01 Thread KH6TY
, and avoid Olivia interference with ROS, and mainly use the 1 baud mode for VHF/UHF weak signal work where it is needed the most. Right now, an automatic Pactor station is also disrupting ROS on 14106. Just my personal opinion... 73 - Skip KH6TY Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Jose I support you

Re: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users

2010-03-01 Thread KH6TY
problem than on HF. So, if 14109 is not suggested as exclusive to 1 baud, there will be more space for HF users of ROS to go to avoid QRM or ROS interference - practically, on 20m, twice as much space. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: I think this is a lot easier. If you see

Re: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users

2010-03-01 Thread KH6TY
you. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Ackrill wrote: KH6TY wrote: I agree that is easier. The problem is that 14109 has been designated as 1 baud exclusive, so that is not suggested as available to go to. Even though is an advantage to being about to work at -35 dB S/N, the advantage is much

Re: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users

2010-03-01 Thread KH6TY
seen ROS 16 stopping Olivia 32-1000 decoding. Perhaps others will offer an opinion. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: KH, ROS 1 baud, is just the less interference produces to others modes. Before quit 1 baud, i would quit 16 bauds. So, has no sense what you proposse.

Re: [digitalradio] Spectrum is for ALL users

2010-03-01 Thread KH6TY
From the latest at rosmodem.wordpress.com: * **14.102 (exclusive 16 baud)** * 14.106 (exclusive 16 baud) * 14.109 (exclusive 1 baud) 73 - Skip KH6TY John Becker, WØJAB wrote: At 05:40 PM 3/1/2010, you wrote: The problem is that 14109 has been

Re: [digitalradio] Re: There is a pattern in the ROS signal when idling

2010-02-28 Thread KH6TY
made, there is probably no problem. It is just that the author, who claims he is the dependable source, simply cannot be trusted 100% to tell the truth, and has already reversed himself once. Tough situation. :-( 73 - Skip KH6TY W2XJ wrote: Skip Do you really think the FCC will put

Re: [digitalradio] There is a pattern in the ROS signal when idling

2010-02-27 Thread KH6TY
That's a good analysis, Steinar. Is it possible to see if the pattern changes when sending data? That is all the FCC is concerned about. The pattern has to change when sending data and not just remain the same to exclude it from being FHSS. 73 - Skip KH6TY Steinar Aanesland wrote

Re: [digitalradio] Re: There is a pattern in the ROS signal when idling

2010-02-27 Thread KH6TY
. The FCC does not care about the mode, or what it is called, but only what is transmitted on the air. 73 - Skip KH6TY pa0r wrote: SS uses pseudorandom codes to wag the carrier(s). EVERY pseudorandom code is repetitive, the length may vary. 73, Rein PA0R --- In digitalradio

Re: [digitalradio] There is a pattern in the ROS signal when idling

2010-02-27 Thread KH6TY
mode for EME on 2m and right now, FHSS is not permitted below 222 MHz. However, we will have to wait for the FCC to issue a new opinion, since they already issued one based on Jose's original claims. 73 - Skip KH6TY Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Skip Here is the new ROS signal. It is idling

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
/, it must be a /duck/”. It looks like ROS really is FHSS when you look at it on a spectrum analyzer, and the spectrum analyzer does not lie. 73 - Skip KH6TY Alan Barrow wrote: KH6TY wrote: The difference between ROS and MFSK16 at idle (i.e. no data input), is that MFSK16 has repetitive

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
. upper 73 - Skip KH6TY Alan Barrow wrote: If MFSK16 was randomized would it magically become spread-spectrum?

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
. 73, Skip KH6TY SK jose alberto nieto ros wrote: My friend, one thing is what i wrote, and other different is what ROS is. If recommend you waste your time in doing something by Ham Radio, instead of criticism ROS. I propose to moderator you will be banned if you continue saying stupid

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
, just support a petition to the FCC to allow it. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: If you are waste time in try demostrate ROS is a SS, i think you are not trying help. *De:* KH6TY kh...@comcast.net *Para

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
that ROS is using Frequency Hopping, as the frequencies are not a function of the data, and that is a unique characteristic of frequency hopping, at least according to everything I could find. Olivia 32-1000: http://home.comcast.net/~hteller/OLIVIA32-1000.JPG 73 - Skip KH6TY Warren Moxley wrote

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
as FMFSK16 or Olivia 32-1000, both FSK modes where the data determines the frequency spread. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: If you are waste time in try demostrate ROS is a SS, i think you are not trying help

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
will not waste any more of my time trying to help ROS be legal in the USA. Let someone else be the subject of your personal attacks. Goodbye and good luck. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: KH, are you a Ham Radio or a FCC member? If you are Ham Radio you should waste your time

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
, and without the comparison to ROS. 73 - Skip KH6TY Warren Moxley wrote: Skip, can you show some more spectral comparison examples? This time add the widest Olivia mode and other very wide modes. Thanks in advance, Warren - K5WGM --- On *Fri, 2/26/10, KH6TY /kh...@comcast.net

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
mode may be very good for real time VHF DX or EME QSO's. Unfortunately, we can only use ROS above 222, so 2m EME is not possible yet for us using ROS. I hope some day it will be. 73 - Skip KH6TY Warren Moxley wrote: Hi Skip, Does ROS have any flexibility like Olivia where you can

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS carrier pattern when idle

2010-02-26 Thread KH6TY
- Skip KH6TY silversmj wrote: Hey Skip KH6TY, Could you show us a pic of Chip64 (your choice to compare it to ROS)? Have a look at the links on my message 34845: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/34845 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/message/34845 The author

Re: [digitalradio] The FCC's definition of Spread Spectrum

2010-02-25 Thread KH6TY
input will probably reveal this, which the FCC will certainly do, now that the question of whether or not ROS is spread spectrum has been raised. Jose's original paper on ROS and FHSS defined the three requirements very clearly. 73 - Skip KH6TY max d wrote: Part 97.3 Definitions

Re: [digitalradio] The FCC's definition of Spread Spectrum

2010-02-25 Thread KH6TY
Sorry, I meant to write, For example in SSB, the RF frequency at any time is equal to the tone frequency of the voice plus the suppressed carrier frequency (USB). I did not mean the tone frequency at any time...etc. 73 - Skip KH6TY KH6TY wrote: Max d, The distinction is simple

Re: AW: [digitalradio] The FCC's definition of Spread Spectrum (then Why ?)

2010-02-25 Thread KH6TY
in transmit. Maybe somebody more knowledgeable than I am can interpret this better, or perhaps make their own test. 73 - Skip KH6TY Russell Blair wrote: If ROS is Multi FSK now, than WHY and WHAT was the intent to call it (SS) Spread Spectrum?, even as the FCC inplyed that the owner

Re: AW: [digitalradio] The FCC's definition of Spread Spectrum (then Why ?)

2010-02-25 Thread KH6TY
this correctly. Maybe someone else has a different interpretation. 73 - Skip KH6TY Russell Blair wrote: If ROS is Multi FSK now, than WHY and WHAT was the intent to call it (SS) Spread Spectrum?, even as the FCC inplyed that the owner (Jose Albert Nieto)called it (SS). As much as I would like to use

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
and printed fine when the QRM left. I am hoping it has advantages for weak-signal work on UHF where it is inarguably legal. That is where I am going to use it. 73 - Skip KH6TY wd4kpd wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, ocypret n5...@... wrote

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
. If ROS is really worth saving for US hams, it is worth fighting for! 73 - Skip KH6TY Andy obrien wrote: The FCC has stated , today, that IF the author describes it as spread spectrum, the USA ham is responsible for determining the accuracy of this claim. They also affirmed that SS

Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
and prove it by revealing your code. I think this is the only way to get the FCC opinion reversed. You now have a difficult task before you, but I wish you success, as ROS is a really fun mode. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: Is legal because ROS is a FSK modulation

Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
whatever is required to win this battle. Good luck! 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: Hi, KH6. I only i am going to describe in a technicals article how run the mode. If FCC want the code they will have to buy it me, that is obvious

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
words, or blaming it on translation, is not going to succeed, in my opinion. Rather PROOF that it is not spread spectrum (i.e. does NOT meet condition #2) will probably do it, but just saying so will not. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Ackrill wrote: John wrote: This should easily provide any

Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
be wrong if given new information, but just saying it is so does not make it so. I believe some concrete proof is required now, and maybe your spectrum analyzer display can be part of such proof. Other's opinions may vary... 73 - Skip KH6TY W2XJ wrote: Skip You are over thinking

Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
depending upon the shift or the tones used to generate shift. In spread spectrum, as Jose has written, an independent code is used for the spreading, one of the requirements to classify it as spread spectrum. 73 - Skip KH6TY W2XJ wrote: I have a different take on this. There are a number

Re: [digitalradio] Re: GTOR- has anyone tried this?

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
/CheckSR.exe. Let it run for 15 minutes and then stop it and put the input and output offsets for your soundcard into Gtor. You must calibrate your soundcard like this or it will not decode and you will not know why you cannot link. 73 - Skip KH6TY jhaynesatalumni wrote: I think I have

Re: [digitalradio] Consensus? Is ROS Legal in US?`

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
It is a NECESSARY AND SUFFICIENT requirement (out of three). The point is that if that is not the way the spreading is done in ROS, ROS is NOT spread spectrum. PROVE, not just claim, that it is not, and the battle is won. 73 - Skip KH6TY Rik van Riel wrote: On 02/23/2010 09:00 PM

Re: [digitalradio] Gtor

2010-02-23 Thread KH6TY
Try calibrating the sound card. 73 - Skip KH6TY jhaynesatalumni wrote: I guess I'm hearing a Gtor QSO right now, because every now and then I get a screen message DATA: comp=Huffman, block=1 and that sort of thing. but I also get CONNECT (greek) TO (greek) and DISCONNECT (greek) FROM

Re: [digitalradio] Re: KH6TY's Post

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
there and a reasonable degree of spreading is not of so much importance. This is why ATV is only allowed on UHF. It is so wide that it takes a wide band to leave room for others to share and operate. 73 - Skip KH6TY Tony wrote: Skip, The problem with ROS is that the frequency shift is by a method

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Advantage?

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
sounding, as in Aurora communications, CW can still be copied by ear as it modulates the background noise. 73 - Skip KH6TY Howard Brown wrote: Aside from the legal aspect, does anyone have an opinion as to whether the limited hopping (within the 3khz that it hops) helps the robustness

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Advantage?

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
or changed to garbage when the Pactor signal came on. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: Hi, You must not filter anything in the transceiver. You must pass all bandwith in your receiver because filter are doing by the PC better than you transceiver

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Advantage?

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Ackrill wrote: KH6TY wrote: 2. Pactor signals of 500 Hz width, outside the ROS signal, that capture the AGC, do desensitize the receiver and cause loss of decoding, as expected. Passband tuning takes care of that problem however. As with many other digital modes

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Advantage?

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
to ROS users. We all have to share frequencies, since no frequencies are owned by anyone, but are used on a first-come, first-served basis. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: Please, give a frequency alternative to 14.101

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Advantage?

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
I agree with Andy - try 14.109 USB next. ALE is wideband, but of short duration. It is worth a try, I think. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: That is true, narrow band interference cause a minimal interference to ROS, and at the same form, ROS cause minimal interference

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Advantage?

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
Andy, you have used ALE. What center frequency or suppressed carrier frequency should be used to be on the ALE channel at 14.109? 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: One thing, 14.109 means that first tone is on 14.109.4 and last tone is on 14.111.65 According to that, wich

Re: [digitalradio] Curious sound card modes question -

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
what RF carriers come out. You can key the tones, or shift the tone frequencies, etc., and the RF output will follow. The ARRL Handbook usually has an explanation of this. Hope that answers the question. 73 - Skip KH6TY John wrote: So as to not continue growing the ROS legality discussion

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Curious sound card modes question -

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
for the spreading, and in military communications (and even cell phones, I think) the code prevents anyone else from reconstructing the signal so that the intelligence can be recovered if they do not possess the same code. 73 - Skip KH6TY John wrote: Thanks Skip, Unfortunately

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Curious sound card modes question -

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
not share frequencies. We may not like the time it takes for the process to play out, but that gives everyone a chance to present their case before any rules are made - EVERYONE, not just a vocal minority. 73 - Skip KH6TY Alan Barrow wrote: John wrote: Thanks Skip, Unfortunately

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Curious sound card modes question -

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
That is only ONE of the three conditions outlined by Jose. I thought I did not need to repeat the other two. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave AA6YQ wrote: re PSK31 accomplishes the same typing speed in a bandwidth of 31 Hz, instead of in 2000 Hz, so ROS is probably truly spread-spectrum. Applying

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Curious sound card modes question -

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
for the bandwidth and I hope it can be used on HF! 73, Skip, KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Curious sound card modes question -

2010-02-22 Thread KH6TY
then ROS is not spread spectrum and there is no problem. 73 - Skip KH6TY jhaynesatalumni wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, John ke5h...@... wrote: Thanks Skip, Unfortunately, this really does not get to the crux of my question(s). I

[digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
that happens, rules are rules, and we are legally obligated to abide by them. 73 - Skip KH6TY kp4cb wrote: Ok calm down, que no panda el cunico como decia el chapulin, this mode is legal. Read this and you will know why is an article of the ARRL http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
I agree Dave, and Chip64 was abandoned over here on the same basis! ROS looks like a fun mode, so I hope the FCC will allow it in the future. 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Wright wrote: I'm with you, Skip. While I appreciate the effort Jose put into this mode, I won't be using it on HF

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
hams worldwide from such abuses, even if you do not realize it. I do think ROS should be allowed, but until fully reviewed by the FCC, their are correct in not allowing ROS to be used except on an experimental basis. Believe me, there are much more dangerous fish in the sea! 73 - Skip KH6TY

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
, and with arnarchy, chaos will soon follow. Rules help to prevent arnarchy and chaos, and are not 100% effective, but are better than nothing. 73 - Skip KH6TY Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Skip But why is a mode like WINMOR allowed in US? I know it is not SS , but you can't monitor the traffic. If I have

Re: [digitalradio] ARRL,ROS,FCC

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
§97.305 Authorized emission types. 73 - Skip KH6TY kp4cb wrote: The ARRL is not the one that establish the rules and regulations that is true, by the way is the only argument that can be verified. The ARRL is an organization that obey the laws established by the FCC

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
Hi Steinar, The FCC needs to address Winmor also, if we are to continue to keep our shared bands open. However, Winmor is new, and it takes time to move a government body, and complaints must also be filed by those harmed. In the case of spread spectrum, as it pertains to ROS, spread spectrum

Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
the new mode, and what rationalizations are made for being able to use it. This road has been traveled before! 73 - Skip KH6TY w2xj wrote: I have spent the last hour looking through part 97. I find nothing that would prohibit ROS in the HF bands subject to adhering to those segments where

Re: [digitalradio] Re: USA digital bandplan chart

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
be able to make it at one baud if we coordinate frequencies closely. There is no question about the legality of using ROS on 432 MHz. 73 - Skip KH6TY kh...@comcast.net http://kh6ty.home.comcast.net/~kh6ty/ wd4kpd wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio

Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
§97.305 Authorized emission types is the regulation that authorizes SS for 222 Mhz and above only. 73 - Skip KH6TY w2xj wrote: Please provide a citation from part 97 that prohibits ROS even if it were deemed to truly be spread spectrum. KH6TY wrote: In most legal

Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
it will be) is spread spectrum according to the current FCC rules, and is currently legal only above 222 Mhz. 73 - Skip KH6TY Rik van Riel wrote: On 02/21/2010 02:17 PM, w2xj wrote: I have spent the last hour looking through part 97. I find nothing that would prohibit ROS in the HF bands subject

Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]]

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
can be thankful for regulations that both protect, and also allow, with limitations, and that cannot be changed without a sufficient period of public comment from all users so that all sides can be heard from. The FCC adheres to such a process. 73 - Skip KH6TY w2xj wrote: There are two

Re: [digitalradio] A closer look at ROS]]

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
the decision enormously, so the FCC needs to act carefully in order not to make a mistake. BTW, I have been monitoring 14.101 for several hours and ROS just froze in Windows 7 with an error message, Run-time error 5. Invalid procedure call or argument 73 - Skip KH6TY John B. Stephensen

Re: [digitalradio] FCC Technology Jail: ROS Dead on HF for USA Hams

2010-02-21 Thread KH6TY
KH6TY W2XJ wrote: Bonnie you have a Ham unfriendly addenda. Say what you like but at the end of the day it is BS. *From: *expeditionradio expeditionra...@yahoo.com expeditionra...@yahoo.com *Reply-To: *digitalradio

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-20 Thread KH6TY
VISTA version working OK on Windows 7 Home Premium. Starting testing on 70cm today. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: Yo only have to download the sound archive: The Man Of the Vara at 1 bauds (-35 dBs) and tester. The results speak for themselves

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
are using a second soundcard for digital operations. 73 - Skip KH6TY nietorosdj wrote: One comment: It is not the same a Spread Spectrum Transceiver (like military radios) that to send digital data into an audio channel on standard SSB transceiver. They are different things. So, when

Re: [digitalradio] ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
in the automatic subbands, but that will take time and a petition. Looks like a good mode! 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Ackrill wrote: Andy obrien wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/members;_ylc

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
, the definition of the ROS modulation scheme classifies it as Spread Spectrum and Frequency Hopping, and the ROS documentation agrees with the FCC. :-( 73 - Skip KH6TY Dave Ackrill wrote: KH6TY wrote: All, If we accept the fact that a SSB transmitter with sufficient carrier suppression

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
Jose, We want to be able to use the mode on HF, but it is not our decision, but our FCC's decision, for whatever reasons they currently think are valid. Fortunately, it may work well on VHF and HF, so I plan to find out. 73 - Skip KH6TY jose alberto nieto ros wrote: We can see it as we

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ROS, legal in USA?

2010-02-19 Thread KH6TY
The answer is in Wikipedia for Spread Spectrum. 73 - Skip KH6TY Marco IK1ODO wrote: jose alberto nieto ros wrote: Â We can see it as we want, but if OLIVIA is legal, ROS is legal. The only difference I see, Olivia does not say to be spread spectrum, ROS does so :-) - but it's exactly

Re: [digitalradio] ALE and protected frequencies in the USA

2010-02-09 Thread KH6TY
transmitting channels and in making the most effective use of the amateur service frequencies. _No frequency will be assigned for the exclusive use of any station._ 73 - Skip KH6TY phil williams wrote: I have head in the past of folks of 'reminded' using the ALE frequencies for other

Re: [digitalradio] Digital CQWW ops lost in plane crash ?

2009-10-21 Thread KH6TY
The hams lost were Ed, K3IXD, Pete, W2GJ, Randy, K4QO, and Dallas, KZ4Z. We will miss them all very much. They were just at our Lowcountry Contest Club monthly dinner a week ago. 73 Skip KH6TY - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Soliciting suggestions

2009-08-12 Thread kh6ty
and PSKmail. You can use either of those if fldigi or NBEMS do not do what you need. Skip KH6TY NBEMS Development Team Howard Z. wrote: Stelios, I'm sorry if I made you feel bad. If you are a moderator, you can delete my posting. I'm feeling a bit more optimistic today - it's nice

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Soliciting suggestions

2009-08-12 Thread kh6ty
when using MT63-1000, a center frequency of 1500 Hz might be a problem on some rigs with narrow IF filters. 73 Skip KH6TY /NNN0VFA Simon (HB9DRV) wrote: - Original Message - From: kh6ty kh...@comcast.net mailto:kh6ty%40comcast.net The standard for MT63 is to start at 500 Hz

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Soliciting suggestions

2009-08-12 Thread kh6ty
standard, which is 500 Hz in this case. 73, Skip KH6TY Jose A. Amador wrote: Just one more comment, being on agreement with the previous postings... on a linear transponder (as a SSB transceiver becomes usually on HF between your antenna and your soundcard) just rock the transceiver's dial

Re: [digitalradio] Soliciting suggestions

2009-08-11 Thread kh6ty
John, You might consider NBEMS for HF: www.w1hkj.com/NBEMS. We have optimized the DominoEx and MFSK16 modes for high static conditions and also have a verification program called Wrap if you do not want to use flarq. 73 Skip KH6TY NBEMS Development Team John Taylor wrote: We

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