rrow is still able
> to produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and see if that helps. I
> also would again recommend Doxycycline in the hopes that it would act to keep
> the viral load down.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@
Yes, Robert, I would think that it makes sense to try to get ahead of the
problem. Just purely on a logical basis, while the bone marrow is still able to
produce red cells, get him started on the Epogen and see if that helps. I also
would again recommend Doxycycline in the hopes that it would
Amani...
I understand your reasoning and have no rebuttal as I had not really
considered this... As it makes sense to address anemia BEFORE it
becomes life threatening perhaps it would make sense to start Epogen( or
similar) well before all the progenitors are wiped out My young boy
It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The Epogen acts on
the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a hormone that tells the bone
marrow to produce more red cells.
The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red cell
progenitor cells in the bone
It's not the same, Robert, and I am not sure it would work. The Epogen acts on
the kidneys to secrete erythropoietin, which is a hormone that tells the bone
marrow to produce more red cells.
The problem, in my opinion, is that the FeLV infiltrates the red cell
progenitor cells in the bone
.
Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
I have used Aranesp (Darbepoetin) for a young cat with non-regenerative anemia
in kidney crisis. It seems better tolerated by cats than Epogen, and is given
less frequently. It isn't cheap, my little vial was $200, but she only actuall
I have used Aranesp (Darbepoetin) for a young cat with non-regenerative anemia
in kidney crisis. It seems better tolerated by cats than Epogen, and is given
less frequently. It isn't cheap, my little vial was $200, but she only actually
needed three doses. Two of those were given while she
Wondering if anyone in the group has any experience with Epogen or
Procrit ( and other such RBC enhancing drugs typically used with Kidney
Failure patients) It's appears to be quite a bit cheaper when used
for veterinary purposes than human As the go to drug for anemia in
Kidney
Just a heads up for those of you using either epogen or procrit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39346311/ns/health-more_health_news/
Sharyl
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 10:13 PM
Sounds like the vet is not too interested in working with felv cats. Gave
up before fighting, huh.
With a hematocrit of eight the cat's in real trouble
] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen,
etc
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 10:13 PM
Sounds like the vet is not too interested in working with felv cats. Gave
up before fighting, huh.
With a hematocrit of eight the cat's in real trouble
the things which will be remembered
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 13:59:31 -0700
From: mr_mok...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen,
etc
did the vet have any idea about why a rejection would occur?
surely it's
just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted
a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a
hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he
said that's not done with FeLV cats. well, other than getting a new
vet, i'm asking you guys
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Subject: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted
a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a
hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing
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Sent: Tue, August 24, 2010 3:53:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
I always caution people about transfusions based on my own experience. Our
kitten needed a transfusion due to her levels being so low which she did get.
After
my suggestion is CERTAINLY to check for hemobartenellosis--why it
wasn't done initially, i have no idea. not knowing the kind of anemia
either, makes it difficult.
the vet involved claimed that they were having trouble finding any
blood, and they wouldn't be able to call til after 5PM. i'd
Subject: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen, etc
just got an email from a rescue i work with, about someone who adopted
a FeLV positive a few months ago. kitty is NOT doing well--with a
hematocrit of 8. she asked her vet about doing a transfusion, and he
said that's
PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on transfusions/epogen,
etc
I always caution people about transfusions based on my own experience.
Our kitten needed a transfusion due to her levels being so low which she
did get. After the transfusion
thanks, gary! i cannot for the life of me figure out why the vet
didn't check for hemobartenellosis, and no, cat is NOT on doxy! on
clavamox. (don't even ask.)
MC
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: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] URGENT: help needed re: info on
transfusions/epogen,etc
Usually, a transfusion with un-typed blood can be done once, but there is a
risk. If the blood is typed and a matching blood used, the risk is very
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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transfusions/epogen,etc
Usually
Sounds like the vet is not too interested in working with felv cats. Gave
up before fighting, huh.
With a hematocrit of eight the cat's in real trouble. If it's
hemobartonella the rbcs are being continually destroyed. They will
generally transfuse around 18 so she doesn't have much time to
Baileys anemia was non regenerative and epogen and prednisolone kick
started his red cell production and he did fine for almost 6 months, he
passed from undiagnosed pancreatic cancer but his HCT when he passed was
still at 33%. He started the epo when his HCT was at 18%, it dropped to
15
PS. My vet did more than 5 transfusions on a positive and never had
problems.
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote:
Baileys anemia was non regenerative and epogen and prednisolone kick
Hello everyone,
I have most of a 1ML SDV vial of 10,000 U/ML Epogen and some syringes if anyone
could use them. I would be happy to overnight them to the first person to send
me an address. This stuff is too expensive to go in the trash and I only used
two injections from it.
Sue
but many cats respond to a treatment plan.
Sharyl
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From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 10:22 PM
Amy, I have not used epogen for
a CRF
Hi Belinda,
I'll give her the
benefit of the doubt, but what exactly is she basing her
information that FeLV+'s have such a bad experience with
using epogen, because I have not heard of any studies that
have been done on this to bear that out and if there is one
I would like
these results with Epogen. I
actually had the vet research WHY it could possibly help a leuk positive cat
because of your story. I can't find one vet that can explain why it could
possibly help since a leuk positive cat is normally making erythropoietin just
fine on it's own. That's
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, but what exactly is she
basing her information that FeLV+'s have such a bad experience with
using epogen, because I have not heard of any studies that have been
done on this to bear that out and if there is one I would like the
reference so I can look
Here is some good info on anemia, it is from the CRF site but it
explains some of the blood work results of an anemic cat and what they
mean and anemia is anemia:
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#reticulocytes
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story well and honestly you are one of the only
stories I've heard with positive results (not to say there aren't a
lot more good ones out there, that's why I'm asking). Your story
keeps me wondering if I should try it despite the warnings. I'm so
glad you had these results with Epogen. I
I just gave Casper his first Epogen shot. He is supposed to get .15 ml daily
to start. Hopefully things will get better for him. Tomorrow I am supposed to
pick up the Imulan and give him that shot.
I am shocked at how expensive all this stuff is. The one vial of Epogen was
about $75.00
Amy, I have not used epogen for a CRF or FeLV kitty though I have had both with
anemia.
There is a Yahoo Anemia group that may be able to answer some of your questions
about the risks of using epogen or Darbepoetin.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/
I used vitamins
Amy, I have not used epogen for a CRF
or FeLV kitty though I have had both with anemia.
There is a Yahoo Anemia group that may be able to answer
some of your questions about the risks of using epogen or
Darbepoetin.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/
I was part
Sue,
Will you please keep me posted on Casper's progress? I'd love to hear how the
Epogen/LTCI work for you. Good luck.
Amy
--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:
From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper Epogen shot
To: FeLV talk
: [Felvtalk] Epogen? Interfuron?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:55 AM
PS. Has she tested his iron to
see if that is low, many anemic acts are low in iron?
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Wow, I paid 65.00 for a 1ml vial, it was a 2000IU and Fred was
getting 0.15 also, there was enough in the 1ml vial for 8 or 9 shots.
What size is your vial, I also bought mine at Walgreens in Washington
state. It was only $50.00 dollars for the same size and dosage at the
Fred Meyer
PS. Why is he getting it daily the standard dosing is 0.15ml (more or
less depending on weight), 3 times a week?
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Epogen. My vet calls it Arithro proeatin (I
know I botched the spelling of that.) He is also looking into Interferon. Has
anyone had experience with these with an anemic positive cat?
Now that my decision to mix has make Casper become positive I want to do
whatever I can for him
are trying to deal with that. He
has been getting Prednosolone and Doxycycline for about a week and a
half without improvement. His count was 19 when he was tested two
weeks ago. I took him today for a PCV and don't have the results
yet. He also got an iron shot. I asked about Epogen. My
When Kong was first diagnosed his count was at 7 and he had two blood
transfusions to get him back up to a healthy level. He has
nonregenerative anemia. He's been on a gradually decreasing dosage of
pred and a week on/week off schedule of 1ml of Interferon for the past
6 months. He gets
sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was actually negative? a
single negative test means no more than a single positive test does: unless
we know for sure when the last possible date of exposure was, and do a final
test 90-120 days after that, we cannot know that any cat is truly
Thankfully, my Gray Kitty, has been negative for over 7-8 months now.
All specialists have said we can now stop testing him monthly.
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2010, at 4:23 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
wrote:
sue, was casper ever double tested to make sure he was
and told him I wanted the Epogen because I wasn't
going to just sit back and watch him die. He called a prescription in to
Walgreens and they had to order it. I will pick it up after work tomorrow
along with the syringes and give him his first injection tomorrow evening.
My vet also contacted
Hi Sue,
Just wanted to ask what Casper's HCT is right now? Does he have CRF? I have
looked into Epogen as well and know some people swear by it. I don't want to
contradict anything you've heard but just wanted to offer up another thing to
consider. The specialist I talked to said all
Greetings,
Does anyone have experience using either Epogen or Procrit concurrently
with LTCI?
Thanks
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no Jason, but if you find that either help I would be open to
researching it.
Jane
On Jan 23, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote:
Greetings,
Does anyone have experience using either Epogen or Procrit
concurrently
with LTCI?
Thanks
would caution you about starting with Epogen right away, only because
sometimes cats' immune system begins to resist it and it can worsen the anemia
in this case. Epogen also takes 2-3 weeks to kick in, so if you do use it,
your kitty may need a blood transfusion in the meantime to give the Epogen
on Friday afternoon to
get his second dose of epogen and so far he is handling it well. Cole has been
eating on his own thankfully. The vet gave us a special type of wet food that
is higher in protein and calories, so he doesnt have to eat as much of it to
get his nutrition. But he is eating alot
is tomorrow at 5:40. The challenge I'm trying to sort
out right now is what the next steps should be. Based on my own research and
all the info you guys have been so awesome to provide, it seems like there's
about 3 options: Epogen to increase the red blood cells, Doxy to treat
possible
be. Based on my own research and
all the info you guys have been so awesome to provide, it seems like there's
about 3 options: Epogen to increase the red blood cells, Doxy to treat
possible Hemobartanella, Immuno Regulin to stimulate his immune system.
The doctor had said she'd consider
to give him the shots at home.
We started twice a week for a few months then went to
once a week to now I give him a shot every other
month. She also gave him an injection of Winstrol
every other week for about a month or two. The Doxy
and Epogen I can't help you with because I have never
used them
Hey Marissa,
In my opinion, the Epogen should be #1 on the list,
and should be affordable. And I would also do the
doxy. Both of these should be done at the very least,
or the transfusion will have been for naught. I can't
say on the IR, but I know we've had at least one
member that uses
Hi all. A few people have recommended looking into Epogen and/or Winstrol for
Slinky.
He's very anemic. His numbers on Wed. were as follows:
WBC: 2.86 K/uL
LYM: 1.09 K/uL
MONO: 1.52 K/uL
NEU: .17 K/uL
EOS: 0.08 K/uL
BASO: 0 K/uL
HCT: 14.8%
RBC: 2.91 M/uL
HGB: 7.7 g/dL
into
Epogen and/or Winstrol for Slinky.
He's very anemic. His numbers on Wed. were as
follows:
WBC: 2.86 K/uL
LYM: 1.09 K/uL
MONO: 1.52 K/uL
NEU: .17 K/uL
EOS: 0.08 K/uL
BASO: 0 K/uL
HCT: 14.8%
RBC: 2.91 M/uL
HGB: 7.7 g/dL
RETIC: 16.9 K/uL
%RETIC: 0.6%
MCV
guess I am a little nut.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, DianeSent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:55 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Dharma go her first shot of epogen - please pray that
itwillonly help her..What a lovely idea
Hi, everyone thank you very much for your input.. after debating
in my heads for a few days, I just gave her the first shot of epogen.. the vet told
me to give 0.04 ml (she weighs only lb) I know its a smaller amount
than the regualar protocol, but since her kidney function is working
the first shot of epogen.. the vet told me to give 0.04 ml (she weighs only
lb) – I know it’s a smaller amount than the regualar protocol, but since
her kidney function is working just fine,, that’s why I gave her – I realized
that no matter what, if I did or did not do.. I am going to regret
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Hi, everyone thank you very much for your input.. after debating in my
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first shot of epogen - please pray that it will only help her..
Hi, everyone thank you very much for your input.. after debating in my heads for a few days, I just gave her the first shot of epogen.. the vet told me to give 0.04 ml (she weighs only lb) – I know it’s a smaller amount than
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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shot of epogen - please pray that it will only help her..
Hideyo,
Lots of love and white light going to you and Dharma. I hope so
much this will help her.
elizabeth
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From
first shot of
epogen - please pray that it willonly help her..
Thank you so much,
Elizabeth!
I actually wrote a song for Dharma and sing it all the time so that
all the energy on earth can hear it and help Dharma
heal
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Hideyo,
I hope that the epogen helps your precious little
Dharma. You and Dharma are in my prayers.
Cindy Reasoner
--- Hideyo Yamamoto
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Thank you so much, Elizabeth! I actually wrote a
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sing it all the time so that all the energy on earth
can
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shot of epogen - please pray that itwillonly help her..
What a lovely idea, Hideyo! Dharma
is a lucky girl to have you caring for her and singing about her.
Diane R.
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A little, but in a GOOD way. ;-)
Diane R.
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Greg
! :)
Leslie
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: Dharma go her first
shot of epogen - please pray that it willhelp her
Hideyo,
That is the most endearing thing that I have ever heard. If you
want to send the lyrics publicly or privately, I would be more than happy to
tell them to Bea and Satch and say them over and over - my actual
I think you are doing the right thing, Hideyo, and I pray it helps
her.
Michelle
singin is great Hideyo..releaves stress and micracles
happen everyday keep singin girl and bless you and Dharma :0)
Kayte and Crackers
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epogen - please pray that it will only help
her..
Hideyo,
Lots
Hi all, I am behind on reading, but I did see a post about epogen somewhere..Anyway, Bandy had epogen injections for around 5 to 6 wks, I think...We stopped them with no problem when his PCV elevated so he wouldn't develope antibodies to it..His internal med specialist suggested it at the time
Dear Friends:
I'm wading thru a multitude of posts, and I know this is late in coming,
but wanted to add a note from my experience.
Bonnie, I know you've started the Epogen by now and all is well. I would
have suggested that yes, you wait until you could watch Fu before starting. They
can
Bonnie,Did you get on the hyper-t yahoo group yet? They are very knowledgeable with hyper-t, tapazole, and the effects of both on the kidneys, anemia, etc. They might have some ideas for you. Thinking of you and Fu.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HI, Belinda. Yes, fluids do thin
Tonya,
I don't think I'm on that one yet. The Epogen seems to have perked Fu
up a little bit - I'm just hoping now that he'll make it through the
next few days.
Bonnie
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From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:31 am
yr even though he has a great appetite...I think I should give him the chance, too...There might be an easy answer...So I agree with Michelle, you should give your Fu that chance as well...Bandy didn't have any problems with the epogen, but he is 5 and no other problems...I don't know about
Hi Bonnie,
I also got my epogen and made an appointment with my vet to discuss
it to make sure I knew exactly how to do it. I also waited and gave it
with enought time to run him to the vet if there was any kind of
reaction. Antibodies wouldn't form that quickly but there is a rare
I know. Every time someone on the list has lymphoma or anemia, I think I
need to get off the list because it depresses me so much. But I learn so much
from the group, and it helped so much to have people there for me when I went
through it with Simon, that I just can't.
Michelle
P.S. And I
HI, Belinda. Yes, fluids do thin the blood and worsen the effects of
anemia. They are still necessary sometimes, though, if they are not
drinking, though if he has no kidney or liver problems and you are syringing
food he probably can do without fluids for a few days, I would think.
Have
Hi Michelle,
What is the full name dex, I will call and ask her about it, I can run
down and pick it up if she OK's it?
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FeLV
Dexamethasone. It does come in pills, but the shots work faster and
better in my opinion, though harder to keep them on long-term. The shots can be
given sub-q, so if your vet will give you the shot you can give it to Fu
yourself. It is possible she will only be willing to send you home
Bonnie,
Ask your vet about giving him a dexamethasone shot. It really
makes them feel better, even when they are really sick. And sometimes
helps with anemia. It may be contraindicated because of his kidney and thyroid
problems, though, I don't know.
Michelle
In a message dated 1/5/2006
, January 6, 2006 10:16 am
Subject: Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Bonnie,
Ask your vet about giving him a dexamethasone shot. It really
makes them
feel better, even when they are really sick. And sometimes helps
with
anemia. It may be contraindicated
I picked up a vial of Epogen for Fu tonight. The vet explained how to
give it to him over the phone and the pharmacist was also very nice and
spent some time showing me how to go about it.
My question is...is it possible for there to be an immediate bad
reaction? If so, I'll wait until morning
I think, but am not positive, that it normally takes months for an adverse
reaction to occur. But I would be afraid that any medicine could have an
adverse reaction on Fu, given his age and condition. However, Epogen also
takes a while to show any good effects, and Fu is already doing so
for
an adverse reaction to occur. But I would be afraid that any medicine
could have an adverse reaction on Fu, given his age and condition.
However, Epogen also takes a while to show any good effects, and Fu is
already doing so poorly, that a part of me thinks you should just give
it to him now
into remission. The vet referred to this as anemia caused by
chronic disease.
Bonnie
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
If you are wondering
liver on hand that I'll cook up for him later.
Bonnie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: cost of epogen/transfusion?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
In my experience vets would not transfuse until
In a message dated 1/5/2006 6:19:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
How much does Epogen cost? My vet called one pharmacy; they told him
they have to order it in units of ten, which would come to $350.
I wonder if Fu could use a blood transfusion. His rbc is 15
Bonnie~
Have your vet set up an account with PVPL (Professional Veterinary
Products, Ltd.). It is a veterinary supplier, like a co-op, and they are
offering a 30 day trial period.
When I did all the ordering for the shelter, our main supplier was PVPL,
and I ordered our Epogen (epoetin
Bonnie~
It sounds like maybe a transfusion would be beneficial for Fu right
now
With my feral girl who was on Epogen (she was dx.w/ CRF _ I basically took
her home for hospice care cause no one at the shelter could touch her), after I
found a vet willing to treat a terminally ill "
My understanding is that it is a synthetic version of a hormone that the
kidneys normally excrete which tells the bone marrow to produce red blood cells.
If the hormone is low, the bone marrow stops producing. The epogen
replaces the hormone and sends a signal to the bone marrow to start
In a later email she said in reality even though vets say the
antibodies only developed in 30% of the cases. That means 70% of the
cats never developed antibodies it is closer to 10% developing
antibodies (and usually only after 3 or 4 months of use) and 90% never
developing them according
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