To have same articulations that behave differently, you just create a copy
of the same articulation in your pallette and change the default behavior of
the new one. Of course you also assign a unique metatool to that duplicate.
For example, your articulation pallette might have two accent marks, on
At 10:14 PM 06/07/03, Tim Thompson wrote:
> I like the way the articulation
>tools were changed for example (except that I had to relearn--I tend to
>get used to some stock things like that since I am working on so many
>different systems, and with students). A for accent, S for staccato,
>etc.
Also check out Adobe's Tekton font. I started using it for chord symbols and
numbers before the hand look fonts came along and it is more readable
especially at smaller point sizes.
Vince Leonard
Invinceable Entertainment
Media PA
www.invinceableentertainment.com
<< Following Chris Smith's a
How would this impact speedy or hyperscribe? Do I play in concert
pitch, and see the notes appear on the staff transposed? I agree that
it is a pain to play in the notes in a transposed score as they should
be written, but to hear them sounding as if they were not transposed,
but of course, I
I think one of the things CODA has done pretty well with in the last
couple of upgrades is reorganization of stock metatools, and making the
whole thing more user-friendly. In fact, in most cases with students,
much explanation is not needed, because once they have figured it out
once, they ge
<>
I have a MIDISport 1x1.
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I don't know about Soundfonts, but the concept works with certain
soft-synths in pre-X setups. The QT control panel accesses OMS (if
that is what you are using), and you can set the inputs and outputs.
For example, I have a lab that has Virtual Sound Canvas used in this
way. QT plays the VSC
David McKay wrote:
> On Friday our 5 year old computer died. So on Saturday I bought a new one,
> with a card reader, firewire, usb cordless keyboard and mouse, but no
> joystick port. So I can't use my MIDI breakout cable thingy to connect to my
> computer.
> What do people use these days?
I k
Then you send it in as a Bug Report, not a Feature Request. But you do
it to the same address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Earl Price wrote:
--- Jari Williamsson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Earl Price writes:
Speaking of playback, I wish that Coda would fix
playback of transposing
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 07:02 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I'd like to point out that I sent my message to Mr. Fenton privately,
as I know this whole discussion is way beyond tiresome for this list.
As Mr. Fenton decided to post it publicly, I can only surmise he has a
keen desire for the
On 7 Jun 2003 at 18:02, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> I'd like to point out that I sent my message to Mr. Fenton privately, as I
> know this whole discussion is way beyond tiresome for this list. As Mr.
> Fenton decided to post it publicly, I can only surmise he has a keen desire
> for the last wor
I'd like to point out that I sent my message to Mr. Fenton privately, as I
know this whole discussion is way beyond tiresome for this list. As Mr.
Fenton decided to post it publicly, I can only surmise he has a keen desire
for the last word on this subject, which I am more than happy to give hi
On 7 Jun 2003 at 17:31, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> At 03:58 PM 6/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >On 7 Jun 2003 at 0:35, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> >
> > > It is no different with Word, Excel or any other end-user application.
> >
> >Really, would you *stop* using these completely invalid comparisons
> >to
--- Jari Williamsson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Earl Price writes:
>
> > Speaking of playback, I wish that Coda would fix
> > playback of transposing instruments during Simple
> note
> > entry. Currently what we hear is playback of the
> > pitch entered as if it were concert pitch. This
> is
At 06:02 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>But the point was ease of use. Important info like
>Metatools needs to be in multiple places, *especially* the Quick
>Reference Card and any automated tutorials.
>
>Also -- realistically, "kids these days" aren't going to sit down with
>the manual in
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:09 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Caroonist Hand:
http://www.webfontlist.com/pages/station.asp?ID=10527&Step=1
Arch Rival:
http://www.webfontlist.com/pages/station.asp?ID=12066
Forgot to mention that if you are on a Mac, you will need TT Converter:
http://www.sig
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:37 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 05:11 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>If you're a beginning and don't know about metatools yet, how would
you
>know what those letters and numbers in the upper-right corner mean?
Well, I might read the manual.
Well, duh. B
At 05:11 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>If you're a beginning and don't know about metatools yet, how would you
>know what those letters and numbers in the upper-right corner mean?
Well, I might read the manual. p.22-2, Articulation Selection dialog
box, says, "Occasionally, a character
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 06:27 PM, John Howell wrote:
Well, every situation is probably different. In our case, (1) all
university students are required to have computers meeting certain
minimum standards and a basic, useful suite of software, and (2) the
music and art departments requir
On Friday our 5 year old computer died. So on Saturday I bought a new one,
with a card reader, firewire, usb cordless keyboard and mouse, but no
joystick port. So I can't use my MIDI breakout cable thingy to connect to my
computer.
What do people use these days?
David McKay
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Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant,
it is the Mac market which is the drag these days.
I'm sure! I know I skipped the 2003 upgrade for that very reason.
The only reason we upgraded at my institution last year was that we
converted to a site license, added a few se
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:05 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 04:44 PM 6/7/2003, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
>They DO have many common ones pre-programmed now! As I said, Coda is
>getting better about this in recent versions. But finding them, and
>using them, that's the problem. Listing them o
Following Chris Smith's advice, I re-downloaded the Sibelius Demo and
checked out their Inkpen font set, in the hopes that the numbers would
be more legible than JazzFont's, while maintaining the "handwritten"
look.
When I tried the font, I remembered why I hated it in the first place.
The nu
At 04:44 PM 6/7/2003, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
>They DO have many common ones pre-programmed now! As I said, Coda is
>getting better about this in recent versions. But finding them, and
>using them, that's the problem. Listing them on the reference card
>would be a great idea!
I agree that list
At 04:48 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>Oh. Well, I never use Coda's default files, so I didn't know they'd
>done this. Which metatools are pre-programmed? When did this happen?
There have been metatools pre-programmed at least since 2000, and possibly
Fin98, which is where I came in
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 04:33 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
>articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
>pre-programmed.
Huh? You mean aside from the ones that
At 4:33 PM -0400 6/07/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
pre-programmed. None of us would use them, since we all have set up
our own customized metatools, having the metatoo
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
pre-programmed. None of us would use them, since we all have set up
our own customized metatools, ha
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 13:02 America/Vancouver, David W. Fenton
wrote:
And the best part: if they code for OS X in the right way, it's about
halfway to a Linux port (obviously, Aqua-specific code would not > port).
I don't think that's practical for them until they can drop OS 9
support.
At 04:33 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
>What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
>articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
>pre-programmed.
Huh? You mean aside from the ones that are pre-programmed in the Maestro
Default File and the various
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:29 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/07/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
Basic things seem to go very quickly, but anything fussy will take a
lot of time, which would make it a goo
At 1:02 PM -0800 6/07/03, Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 1:40 PM 06/07/03, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
[listing advantages of Sibelius]
Add an octave higher or lower in one click, or any interval, for that
matter. Several mouse clicks in Finale.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't this pretty simple in
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 18:10 America/Vancouver, David H. Bailey wrote:
Randy Stokes, senior developer, IS a musician. I have no idea
about any of the rest.
Now where did that page of jokes about trombonists go...
Philip Aker
Must have been stolen by a violist.
John
--
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On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 1:40 PM 06/07/03, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
[listing advantages of Sibelius]
Add an octave higher or lower in one click, or any interval, for that
matter. Several mouse clicks in Finale.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't this p
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/07/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
Basic things seem to go very quickly, but anything fussy will take
a lot of time, which would make it a good choice for students, bad
choice for me.
I actually don't think it's
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 12:55 America/Vancouver, John Croft wrote:
I've just been through a similar issue with Andrew Levin offlist. Our
conclusion, based on the setups of our 4 different Macs, was that
it's not possible with QuickTime (including Pro) right now. I think
it's something that
On 7 Jun 2003 at 19:24, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> Philip M. Aker writes:
>
> > But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
> > requesting support for them in the PDK since the autumn of that year.
>
> So what happens if Carbon isn't installed on the client's computer?
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 12:48 America/Vancouver, Jari Williamsson
wrote:
But even more telling is the complete lack of an analogy on Windows
for high level events. All of which have now been subsumed into
AppleEvents BTW. My best nutshell explanation is that they are an
object oriented ap
i'm impressed that many of you seem to be both musicians and computer
programming types. This has caused me to wonder...
If anyone happens to know the inner workings at Coda, I'd be interested to
know if any or all of the programmers are musicians to the extent that it is
helpful to what they do? O
On 7 Jun 2003 at 10:01, Philip M. Aker wrote:
> Multitasking as an issue is only important to Windows developers
> because DOS (and I think Windows before W95) never had anything like
> the (old) MacOS event loop concept in the first place.
Eh?
DOS was single-tasking, so is not a relevant comp
At 1:40 PM 06/07/03, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
[listing advantages of Sibelius]
>Add an octave higher or lower in one click, or any interval, for that
>matter. Several mouse clicks in Finale.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't this pretty simple in Finale with the
transposition function wit
On 7 Jun 2003 at 10:00, Philip M. Aker wrote:
> On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 03:13 America/Vancouver, David H. Bailey
> wrote:
> > Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it
> > is the Mac market which is the drag these days.
>
> Nope. It's Coda not having had their e
On 7 Jun 2003 at 8:40, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> This type of thing is everywhere in the software world, not just in the
> storage of "object oriented" objects. The best example is HTML. From the
> very beginning of Mosaic, the browser was designed to parse and discard
> tags it couldn't recog
On 7 Jun 2003 at 8:28, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> Every release of Finale I have used has supported slurs, 8va and
> practically all the SmartShapes that are used today. Granted the
> SmartShapes changed the way these are manipulated (and presumably
> stored). But in an object-oriented environm
On 7 Jun 2003 at 15:23, Jari Williamsson wrote:
> David H. Bailey writes:
>
> > Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it is
> > the Mac market which is the drag these days.
>
> Avoiding to make this into a OS war issue, I think the OSX development
> will benefit bo
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 18:01 Europe/London, Philip M. Aker wrote:
I've just been through a similar issue with Andrew Levin offlist. Our
conclusion, based on the setups of our 4 different Macs, was that it's
not possible with QuickTime (including Pro) right now. I think it's
something that
On 7 Jun 2003 at 0:35, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> It is no different with Word, Excel or any other end-user application.
Really, would you *stop* using these completely invalid comparisons
to programs that have file formats that are several orders of
magnitude less complex?
It *is* different fro
On 6 Jun 2003 at 19:37, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> At 07:11 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
> >On 5 Jun 2003 at 23:19, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
> >
> > > Coda is possibly the only vendor of a
> > > major software product that does not provide backwards compatibility.
> >
> >It depends on the
Philip M. Aker writes:
> But even more telling is the complete lack of an analogy on Windows for
> high level events. All of which have now been subsumed into AppleEvents
> BTW. My best nutshell explanation is that they are an object oriented
> approach to messaging and data passing.
Well, O
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
He actually got a bit testy with me when I pointed out that the chord
analysis provided by the analysis plugin was faulty. He didn't give me
chance to point out that Finale's harmonic analysis is worse. His
exact words were, "W
Michele Sharik writes:
> Where does one send in a feature request?
To the tech support e-mail addresses:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you send in multiple requests, MakeMusic seems to appreciate if you
make a wish list in priority order.
Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 10:24 America/Vancouver, Jari Williamsson
wrote:
But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
requesting support for them in the PDK since the autumn of that year.
So what happens if Carbon isn't installed on the client's computer?
Those con
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 12:49 AM -0500 6/07/03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, "Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about "ever" but apparently not recently.
They face a
In a message dated 07/06/2003 19:02:38 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
??? That's odd, why would you want to hear a note that's NOT the
sounding pitch?
That's exactly the problem - you don't hear the souding pitch - for example, if you write a g second line for horn which should sou
Jari wrote:
> Have you (and others who want it) sent in a feature request?
Hi, all! I'm brand-spankin' new to this list, so forgive me if I'm asking a
stupid question.
Where does one send in a feature request?
I do a lot of composing and arranging for handbells & am a member of another
Finale
At 10:07 AM -0500 6/07/03, Richard Huggins wrote:
I don't know Sibelius, so keep that in mind, but how likely is it that the
Sibelius rep would conveniently ignore those things that are easier and
faster in Finale? If he wants to keep his job, VERY likely.
One fellow on this list (or perhaps anothe
At 10:12 AM -0700 6/07/03, Earl Price wrote:
--- Christopher BJ Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
If Coda could supply more usable default files to
start with, this
would ease things in the school market considerably.
For example,
almost everything in Sibelius plays back out
correctly of the b
Ha ha! No, he was very quiet on all points regarding Sibelius'
weaknesses. I only mentioned the ones that came up in the workshop. I
should have brought Darcy's email with me, where he outlines all the
things that drove him nuts about the program, but I wasn't trying to
be confrontational, I wa
At 10:58 AM -0400 6/07/03, David H. Bailey wrote:
You can, but if you don't type anything the 1 and 2 appear
automatically and he is asking if the periods can be made to appear
automatically along with the numbers.
I don't think the periods can be automatic.
Aha, I see in the Friendly Manual t
Earl Price writes:
> Speaking of playback, I wish that Coda would fix
> playback of transposing instruments during Simple note
> entry. Currently what we hear is playback of the
> pitch entered as if it were concert pitch. This is
> annoying when working in transposed scores, which is
> the way
Philip M. Aker writes:
> But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
> requesting support for them in the PDK since the autumn of that year.
So what happens if Carbon isn't installed on the client's computer?
> Multitasking as an issue is only important to Windows dev
--- Christopher BJ Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> If Coda could supply more usable default files to
> start with, this
> would ease things in the school market considerably.
> For example,
> almost everything in Sibelius plays back out
> correctly of the box. To
> set up Finale so that eve
On Monday, Apr 7, 2003, at 07:05 America/Vancouver, John Croft wrote:
So, does anybody know if it's possible to patch an external MIDI
keyboard directly into QuickTime, and have it use the selected
SoundFont? (It would be nice if Apple's "Audio MIDI Setup" utility
recognised QT as an output, so
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 06:23 America/Vancouver, Jari Williamsson
wrote:
(since Mac now have many things that Win32 has had for years, like
easy multi-threaded multitasking, a good set of user controls, etc).
But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
requesting
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 01:07 America/Vancouver, Darcy James Argue
wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about "ever" but apparently not recently.
Maybe it was when they were only releasing products for Macintosh? Be
interesting to find out if the W
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 03:13 America/Vancouver, David H. Bailey
wrote:
It would be very interesting, as you say, to see what the numbers are,
in a development-vs-income comparison.
That is the point isn't it. $US284,000 of revenue loss is a mighty cold
supper. And also a review of the val
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it
is the Mac market which is the drag these days.
I'm sure! I know I skipped the 2003 upgrade for that very reason. The
only reason we upgraded at my institution last year was that we
converted to a site license, added a few
Richard Huggins wrote:
> I don't know Sibelius, so keep that in mind, but how likely is it that the
> Sibelius rep would conveniently ignore those things that are easier and
> faster in Finale? If he wants to keep his job, VERY likely.
The most unbiased head to head comparison I am familar with
I don't know Sibelius, so keep that in mind, but how likely is it that the
Sibelius rep would conveniently ignore those things that are easier and
faster in Finale? If he wants to keep his job, VERY likely.
One fellow on this list (or perhaps another) once listed (numerically) over
60 reasons why
You can, but if you don't type anything the 1 and 2 appear automatically
and he is asking if the periods can be made to appear automatically
along with the numbers.
I don't think the periods can be automatic.
Crystal Premo wrote:
I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a perio
Did he tell you that Sibelius can't playback D.C. and D.S.? Everybody
in the Sibelius universe seems particularly quiet on that point!
Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 12:49 AM -0500 6/07/03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, "Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/C
I agree that the development will help both platforms and I did not
intend to sound defensive or aggressive in referring to the platform
issue -- merely stating an opinion.
Jari Williamsson wrote:
David H. Bailey writes:
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it i
At 6:36 AM -0400 6/07/03, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote:
I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a period (.) after the 1 in a first ending and the 2 in a second
ending. Is there a way to do this?
Easily. When the box comes up asking you what text you want, instead
of typing "1" ty
At 5:02 PM -0700 6/06/03, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
on 6/6/03 4:10 PM, helgesen wrote:
Win Fin 2003. Is it possible to increase the thickness of all lines in
Finale? I find, especially when I % reduce pages, systems or staves that I
lose the 'blackness' in lines- as in note stems, barlines, hairpins
At 12:49 AM -0500 6/07/03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, "Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about "ever" but apparently not recently.
They face a tough confluence of circumstances.
Part of that is a heavy push by S
I'm using a Roland PC-300 MIDI controller connected by USB to my Mac.
This setup works fine for all purposes under OS9, including Finale
input, and for most purposes under OS X as well. The thing is, I would
like from time to time to be able to use the computer as a sound module
directly under
At 03:07 PM 6/7/2003 +0200, Jari Williamsson wrote:
Craig Parmerlee writes:
> As I suggested earlier, when using an object based storage approach (which
> apparently Finale doesn't) the normal practice would be to store multiple
> versions of the objects so that back level releases would be able t
I guess I've owned 6 or 7 releases of Finale. I can't recall all the
release numbers. It certainly isn't a requirement to go back 7
releases. But it is normal for a software product -- especially one that
could be used in a collaborative work environment -- to provide n-2 through
n+2 compati
David H. Bailey writes:
> Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it is
> the Mac market which is the drag these days.
Avoiding to make this into a OS war issue, I think the OSX development
will benefit both platforms in the end. Although the rewrite for OSX
undoubte
Craig Parmerlee writes:
> As I suggested earlier, when using an object based storage approach (which
> apparently Finale doesn't) the normal practice would be to store multiple
> versions of the objects so that back level releases would be able to see
> something they recognize.
So when we arr
I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a period (.) after the 1 in a first ending and the 2 in a second
ending. Is there a way to do this?<<
I almost always use a period there. Can't you just type it?
Crystal Premo
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I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a period (.) after the 1 in a first ending and the 2 in a second
ending. Is there a way to do this?
Larry
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Wow, you said a mouthful!
I would bet, given the large Windows market, that Windows is what has
allowed the company to keep going, rather than bringing the company down!
Remember when the Mac version of each new release came out first? And
then suddenly (and without fanfare) that changed so th
So if a client had only version 3 we would have to avoid using smart
shapes?
I have a suggestion for your backwards compatibility -- keep all the
previous versions on your computer and simply work in the version that
works for your client.
I find your suggestion that in order for finale to hav
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:06 AM, Philip M. Aker wrote:
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 22:49 America/Vancouver, Craig Parmerlee
wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, "Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about "ever" but apparently not r
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 22:49 America/Vancouver, Craig Parmerlee
wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, "Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about "ever" but apparently not recently.
Maybe it was when they were only releasing products for
Richard Huggins writes:
> If anyone happens to know the inner workings at Coda, I'd be interested to
> know if any or all of the programmers are musicians to the extent that it is
> helpful to what they do? Or are there some are and some aren't? Or are there
> musicians who are giving the programm
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