I think they have as much difficulty relating to the 'Bettys' as we
have relating to these farmers and how they ride normally for their work.
Great point, Anna.
I think you hit the nail on the head and being different doesn't make
anyone right or wrong, just a very different life and the
On Jan 2, 2008 9:38 PM, Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's an interesting article on dealing with Barn Sour horses in the
latest issue of Trail Rider magazine. The article was written by Lynn
Palm.
It's worth the cost of the magazine, I think.
There are several mentions of
On Jan 3, 2008 9:44 AM, Laree Shulman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The riding trip to Iceland wasn't the most flattering but the
other times Icelandics came up it was pretty good - no blatant
misinformation like we often see.
The interviewer with the girl for the PBS Equitrekking show asked what
I think they have as much difficulty
relating to the 'Bettys' as we have relating to these farmers and how
they ride normally for their work.
I think that's an excellent point, Anna.
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when all the books have been read
Hi Anna,
I think they have as much difficulty
relating to the 'Bettys' as we have relating to these farmers and how
they ride normally for their work.
I think you hit the nail on the head and being different doesn't make anyone
right or wrong, just a very different life and the horses are used
There's an interesting article on dealing with Barn Sour horses in the
latest issue of Trail Rider magazine. The article was written by Lynn Palm.
It's worth the cost of the magazine, I think.
Karen Thomas
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There's an interesting article on dealing with Barn
Sour horses in the
latest issue of Trail Rider magazine. The article
was written by Lynn Palm.
It's worth the cost of the magazine, I think.
I already subscribe to that. I also bought a book by
Linda T. Jones
Lorraine
There's an interesting article on dealing with Barn Sour horses in the
latest issue of Trail Rider magazine. The article was written by Lynn
Palm.
It's worth the cost of the magazine, I think.
Karen Thomas
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I was thinking the same thing! It's very well thought out and
Yeah - and mine's like one of my horses - barn sour. He WILL not leave!
I'm kidding, he's basically a good guy, but any time two people live in the
same space for 46 years, there will be down periods.
Nancy
My rule became -- we don't take a step until
both of us are comfortable
with it. ... We had some very long (time) but short
(distance) rides when
we first started doing this, but it worked and with
out any drama. And in
the process it built a strong bond between us. Now
she will go
My rule became -- we don't take a step until both of us are comfortable
with it. ... We had some very long (time) but short (distance) rides when
we first started doing this, but it worked and with out any drama. And in
the process it built a strong bond between us. Now she will go pretty much
On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Nancy Sturm wrote:
I have tried anticipating his stopping and started urging him into
a more
forward mindset, but the place where he stops intimidates me because
it is
in an uphill stretch of trail.
Hi all, I haven't posted in ages but this is a subject that
Try to feel the very first sticky step, well
before the horse
actually refuses to go forward. Stop there. Look
at something down
the trail a ways and mentally lean toward the
object you are
looking at. Ask your horse to look down the trail,
I will try that. I seem to look at
On 11/27/07 11:19 PM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scooter bucked - was that today Lorraine?
Yesterday. I don't think my horses like me. LOL or
Crying OL
Lorraine
Lorraine: This may be a really stupid question and it is a question that you
don't have to answer but ask only of
Okay, Anneliese, I am going to take this even farther.
About 2 1/2 years ago I bought my TWH, Hunter. For about two weeks, I went
around grunbling, I have made a HUGE mistake. The horse had some very
seious baggage.
I began to ride him a lot, handle him a lot, spend plenty of time with him
and
On 11/29/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, Anneliese, I am going to take this even farther.
About 2 1/2 years ago I bought my TWH, Hunter. For about two weeks, I went
around grunbling, I have made a HUGE mistake. The horse had some very
seious baggage.
I began to ride him a
Oh, good point, Janice. I confess I wasn't even thinking about Loraine when
I wrote that. I was off on a tangent - thinking about how my least favorite
horse became my very favorite horse, not through something he did, but
because of my attitude toward him.
Nancy
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:38:19AM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote:
If its true what they say, that horses are the most perceptive of all
mammals... then think about how you can always tell when someone cant
stand you or thinks you are crazy... sorta makes you want to stay
away from them and
i got bucked off miss molly in a similar lesson where i was the student.
i don't think she thought i was making fun of her though, i think i got
stuck sitting over her kidneys while trying to slide off over her bum, and
she started bucking right there on the crossties, probably out of pain.
I've always been told - and I believe - that you should NEVER mount a horse
that's tied, particularly cross-tied. A horse that's tied is much more
likely to panic if something goes wrong, and a tied horse in a panic is
prone to pull back, or even go over on his/her back. That's very
in that last pic tho i think her stirrups need adjusting and again,
she is using too much pressure on the bit. She would never receive
her john lyons certification if she continues like this.
janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
also i think she was not balanced properly. She hadnt been watching her
Lynn Palm finding your seat video. I told her that too!
Her seat looks fine to me...but I do think she needs to work on getting her
legs around him. Maybe you should get her the Centered Riding book. That
image of
Obviously, she needs to spend her winter watching RFDTV.
Nancy
that said, stjarni ground-ties and will just stand there whether i hold
him or not, and i don't think my instructor's ponies were trained to
ground-tie.
I don't think I've ever literally trained a single horse to ground-tie, but
they are usually engaged in the situation enough to stand quietly.
Hi Vicka,
my instructor was at her head with the quick-release snaps i think for
just that reason. that said, miss molly did not pull back at all, just
bucked straight up and down with her hind end.
Why was the horse cross-tied for you to mount? I might have missed
something but I have to say
Why was the horse cross-tied for you to mount? I might have missed
something but I have to say I can't imagine having someone get on in that
situation, even though she didn't pull back horses feel restrained on
cross-ties or tied so don't have much choice.
that instructor cross-tied one of
I've always been told - and I believe - that you
should NEVER mount a horse
that's tied, particularly cross-tied. A horse
that's tied is much more
I totally agree with that. I have seen people mount
while tied and it makes me cringe. That is one thing
I know for sure.
Lorraine
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 07:19:22PM -0500, Karen Thomas wrote:
I don't think I've ever literally trained a single horse to ground-tie, but
they are usually engaged in the situation enough to stand quietly. I can't
imagine using a less-than-100%-engaged horse for teaching beginners to
vault.
i
It's a shame we can't all get together and trouble shoot . With all of
our expert opinions, we'd have you fixed in a few minutes.
Since we are all spread over several countries, I'm thinking you and the
boys would benefit from finding someone really good to help you at your
place. I have
On 28/11/2007, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe someone else will have some suggestions about the best way to find a
good instructor.
My experience has been when I've just believed I need one...then a
good instructor falls into my lap.
Wanda
Maybe someone else will have some suggestions about the best way to find a
good instructor.
My experience has been when I've just believed I need one...then a
good instructor falls into my lap.
what is that quote when the student is ready the teacher appears
janice--
yipie tie yie
Maybe someone else will have some suggestions about
the best way to find a
good instructor.
I talked to a trainer yesterday who charges $50 an
hour. I haven't taken lessons for years. Is that
normal price? I can't afford it until I go back to
work. I am on med. leave. So today Dagur
My experience has been when I've just believed I
need one...then a
good instructor falls into my lap.
Doesn't that hurt?
Lorraine
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On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:43:56AM -0800, Lorraine wrote:
I talked to a trainer yesterday who charges $50 an
hour. I haven't taken lessons for years. Is that
normal price? I can't afford it until I go back to
work. I am on med. leave. So today Dagur gets a
lesson from me. I don't know
--- Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I talked to a trainer yesterday who charges $50 an
hour.
That is exactly what I pay my instructor. And, for
the same price, SHE will take my horse out for me the
first few times alone, but I get to follow on a quad
to watch what she does and how she
I talked to a trainer yesterday who charges $50
an
hour.
That is exactly what I pay my instructor. And, for
the same price, SHE will take my horse out for me
the
first few times alone, but I get to follow on a quad
to watch what she does and how she handles it.
That must be the
i pay my instructor $75/hour, plus the ring fee to
the barn.
Oh. OK. That tells me alot. Thanks
Lorraine
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I just don't want to work at it. But i did today. Took Dagur away from
home, in hand, and had treats planted. It was great. I will keep working
with him. I rode him in the arena today also. He is just so sweet most of
the time.
Good for you, Lorraine.
Karen Thomas, NC
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On 11/26/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this might be bad, I dont know, but I give mine a treat from the
saddle after they have stood rock solid for a good while, while I get
all settled, get my feet right in the stirrups etc.
I use that one, too, Janice and it works really well
Good for you, Lorraine.
Thanks for the encouragement. My horsie self esteem
is low. Scooter bucked me off. The buger.
Lorraine
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Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo!
Scooter bucked - was that today Lorraine?
Nancy
On 11/27/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Scooter bucked - was that today Lorraine?
Nancy
something is bothering scooter Lorraine! something either mental,
physical or spiritual :) is he mad about Dagur??
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
Scooter bucked - was that today Lorraine?
Yesterday. I don't think my horses like me. LOL or
Crying OL
Lorraine
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Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
either mental,
physical or spiritual :) is he mad about Dagur??
Janice
--
Either he or I are mental..
Lorraine
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Is a heart-rate monitor conclusive proof that a horse isn't afraid? I'm
not sure I'm convinced of that
Have you ever used one? Have you ever watched one to see how their HR
changes during exercise, exictement, fear? Then how can you comment on
it???
No I haven't used one, and I admit I'm
, work.
In the end, it will also allow your horse to be
lighter in his aids, because if you are like me, you
do not work on the trail.
All I want to do is have a relaxing ride and have FUN.
I am going to take him to this arena and work him
good today. thanks for all your help
Lorraine
the fun happens. And I am willing to get off and
lead him past the
sticking spot if that's what it takes.
Like that article said. There is nothing wrong with
getting off. At least I am going out still instead of
putting him away. I took him for a long walk away in
different directions.
personally think that he
doesn't feel safe when he is alone.
I don't think Dagur is afraid. I just think he just
doesn't want to leave his friend. His previous owner
rode him alone all the time.
Lorraine
Yes, and if you aren't careful and if you don't
resolve the problem quickly,
you'll also be getting that horse into really good
physical shape, and a
That is true. Dagur is getting in better shape. He is
harder to fight. I don't to fight anymore.
Lorraine
I want to know how anyone can be sure their horse
isn't fearful... Horses
are herd animals. They don't like to be alone
because they are vulnerable
alone. That's part of what drives them.
Didn't you know I am a mind reader? Why did his
previous owner ride alone?
Lorraine
barn sourness is not something to take lightly... i went on a ride
once with a 10 year old girl whose parents had just bought her a new
horse. she was way ahead of me and stopped and all the horses passed
her. I was last and I smiled and said 'are you having fun? and kept
going and then
what you could do is get one of those black 8 ball fortune teller
devices from the dollar store and ask it will my horse be a good boy
on our ride today? and wait for it to roll back and forth between
yes and then no. Thats what i do.
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
All I want to do is have a relaxing ride and have FUN.
I am going to take him to this arena and work him
good today. thanks for all your help
with that tho Lorraine you are not exactly working on the specific
problem of being barn sour. Its like my stonewall, half the people I
know would
That is true. Dagur is getting in better shape. He is harder to fight.
I don't to fight anymore.
Bingo - I think you're onto something. The methods in the article Robyn
sent, the suggestions from Cherie, all of that advice isn't about fighting.
Remember, Rome wasn't built in one day. Don't
I think if Twist did that, I'd lead him even farther away from the barn.
The real bummer for me is that it's straight up hill - hard work for an old
lady. He's barn sour on the flat too, however.
Nancy
Hi Karen,
He said he just leads him into woods about 30
feet past the trailhead,
and mounts there.
I like that idea. But Dagur always backs up when I
try to get on. I guess I got to be quick
Lorraine
Hi Lorraine
if he backs up when you are getting on, then you have some basic
On 11/26/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if he backs up when you are getting on, then you have some basic
manners stuff to work on. He should stand absolutely still when you
get on and not move until you say so, and then only in the direction
you ask.
OR a pain issue. Tivar
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's my job to understand the limitations of what
any electronic device can
do, so my training/experience always tells me to ask
questions...which I
did. I'll be the first to tell you that I'm not
going to bet my
relationships with my horses on
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just asked you a question about the heart rate
monitor.
It wasn't just this post or this thread. You may not
have noticed, but in the past year, you have become
more and more critical with just about every post and
every poster. You will take a
On Nov 26, 2007 10:31 AM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Didn't you know I am a mind reader? Why did his
previous owner ride alone?
Maybe he doesn't trust you enough yet. I had a horse that would
bolt/run away anytime a new rider would get on him at a canter or if
asked to jump.
Maybe one day I'll be able to ride the trails alone with Falki or Gloi,
but if not I'll find something to do with my horses that we both enjoy. I
thought that I had to have a horse that I could ride alone like the one I
had for 7 years (and had to retire) or I wouldn't be happy, but I'm
Hi Lorraine,
Why did his previous owner ride alone?
How frustrating for you. I think this can be where there are various
influences why one person can ride a horse out and another can't. First of
all you are in a new situation and since you weren't able to try the horse
in his own environment
On 11/26/07, susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just asked you a question about the heart rate
monitor.
It wasn't just this post or this thread. You may not
have noticed,
some of us hear things on here that just seem so out of our own
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am actually as I speak in Delerium tremens from
pumpkin pie withdrawal.
Thank you, Janice, for lightening the mood!
Now off to get a piece of pie!
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
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mainly because i think discouraging gait is about as bad as discouraging
non-gait, that you should let a horse gait the way it does naturally and
enjoy it which most people do, like Raven etc.
Good point, Janice. There are Icelandic's who can't trot easily and Icelandic's
who can't gait
On 11/26/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
mainly because i think discouraging gait is about as bad as discouraging
non-gait, that you should let a horse gait the way it does naturally and
enjoy it which most people do, like Raven etc.
Good point, Janice. There are Icelandic's
Just the other day he was acting out. And rearing some. Same tack I always
use. Maybe he was just in a bad mood.
Lorraine, I have run into similar sort of scenerious with my 9yrs gelding.
Never had a problem, anyone could ride him and this year he has turned into a
strange little beast when
But Dagur always backs up when I
try to get on. I guess I got to be quick
Lorraine
Lorraine:
Maybe you were kidding, but please don't try to quickly get on! That is one
of the best ways to get hurt if the horse takes off with one foot in the
stirrup.
Does he back up when you try to get on
On 11/26/07, Jeannette Hoenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and Mark said that this is his horse, no one else can get this from him
because of the way they tried to force him into being good by there rough
training. This is an example of what can go wrong and become right with
patience,
My Tivar
this might be bad, I dont know, but I give mine a treat from the
saddle after they have stood rock solid for a good while, while I get
all settled, get my feet right in the stirrups etc. if they walk I
circle them back around and make them wait. wiggle around, etc then
lean and give them a treat
Maybe he doesn't trust you enough yet.
I know it takes time to bond with a horse. I have
owned many. I guess the older I get, the more
impatient I get. I just don't want to work at it.
But i did today. Took Dagur away from home, in hand,
and had treats planted. It was great. I will
in his own environment (correct??) before you bought
Correct. I took my chances. I did see a video. She
made it look easy.
My confidence isn't what it use to be. I don't if it
is because I am getting older or what. I think I am
mental. LOL
questions. Have you taken him for walks where
Does he back up when you try to get on anywhere, or
just when you lead him
For some reason he won't stand still by the mounting
block. But today in the arena, from the ground he
stood there. Go figure.
Lorraine
Dagur has a serious barn sour issue. Do you think
sending to a trainer would help?
Lorraine
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Dagur has a serious barn sour issue. Do you think sending to a trainer
would help?
Hard to say. My gut tells me that sometimes a barn sourness issue may be
relevant to the situation of the moment. Is it possible that Dagur is
actually buddy sour and doesn't want to leave Scooter? If he's at
--- Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dagur has a serious barn sour issue. Do you think
sending to a trainer would help?
Lorraine
Well...for me I would handle it myself. I would start by taking him
out on short rides or walks and letting him graze or feeding him
something that he
--- Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dagur has a serious barn sour issue. Do you think
sending to a trainer would help?
My Whisper has some serious issues as well. And she
can be intimidating and do scary things that she knows
I will back down from. In my mare's case, it is
stubborness and
Do you have a trainer in your area who might come
help you at your place,
with you riding? In a lot of cases, I think that
works better than sending
a horse off to a trainer, but without knowing your
horses, it would be hard
to say. What do you think?
That sounds like a good idea. I
This is an article that Christine wrote about
helping Barnsour horses, maybe
it will be helpful for you an Dagur.
Robyn, Thank you so much for the article. I am
going to try all that. Judy has told me about leaving
treats out in the yard for him to find. Sounds like a
good idea. I
together out on the trail with ease, no
pressure...and just extending
the periods each week. Make going out a fun
adventure.
You know what is weird. I have been riding him for a
little while with my friend and Dagur is having a good
time. Just the other day he was acting out. And
As for Dagur, what you need is a trainer to come to
YOUR place and make him go out. Then give you
lessons
on leaving YOUR place. His issues are going to be
strongest leaving his own barn, so that is where the
lessons need to be.
Thankyou Susan from Fallon. When are you coming
down
--- Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have never had a horse that had barn sour issues
like this. I have owned afew. And still need to
learn alot.
I have a lot to learn, too. That is why I'm getting
the more experienced trainer to get the bulk of her
issues dealt with first. We were out
Oh Susan, I don't know.
I want my horse to enjoy his work. Although I know some folks who use
work as a punishment I'm not sure it's a training method I would adopt..
I also don't like to turn a barn sour horse back to the barn. I want him to
have the reward of getting it right and to learn
I want my horse to enjoy his work. Although I know some folks who use
work as a punishment I'm not sure it's a training method I would adopt..
Yes, and if you aren't careful and if you don't resolve the problem quickly,
you'll also be getting that horse into really good physical shape, and a
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want my horse to enjoy his work.
Since I am not an arena rider, this work at home
doesn't translate to the trail. Actually, the trail
becomes a better place to be - that is the reward.
I also don't like to turn a barn sour horse back to
the barn.
Hi Karen,
He said he just leads him into woods about 30 feet past the trailhead,
and mounts there.
IMO that is just good common sense (or rather uncommon). I think that it is
possible to have situations be a win-win rather than having it be a
win-lose. It also depends on what feels right to a
But Whisper is not fearful, I can tell by the HR moniter. She IS a
willful mare and in her case, you can not smoochy her into anything or she
will stomp all over you.
Is a heart-rate monitor conclusive proof that a horse isn't afraid? I'm not
sure I'm convinced of that.
I believe Lorraine
We have one gelding Sleipnir, you know him as does anyone who had been
here, and we just don't ride him out alone, or rather don't even TRY to ride
him out alone because he doesn't do alone. He will go out 5 times in a day
if asked as long as he has one horse with him. I personally think that he
She had always followed another horse. The insecure ones need to have
their confidence gradually built up (in themselves and in your leadership).
Read the article Robyn sent. Take the horse out with friend horses, practice
changing places, practice leading. When you take him out alone hand walk
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is a heart-rate monitor conclusive proof that a
horse isn't afraid? I'm not
sure I'm convinced of that.
Have you ever used one? Have you ever watched one to
see how their HR changes during exercise, exictement,
fear? Then how can you comment on
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Skjoni is happier when another horse is along.
Well, duh! But sometimes going out alone is not a choice.
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
On 31/07/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn
sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I
have never had that problem before.
I've worked with several barn sour horses. I'm working with the most barn sour
horse ever now! Star(Paso
I am just wondering if their place in the herd has anything to do with
it... I wonder because I dont want to create problems with mine.
traveller is one that only goes out with jaspar or stonewall so far.
for years. he is my husbands horse. my husband only rides with me.
No buddy sour probs so
...I would take him places where you both can
relax
and get to know one another.
Sore arms and circles aren't fun for either of you.
Wanda
I took Dagur for a walk with treats today. He met a
turkey and some other horses. They were very
interested in him. He didn't spook at all. He
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn
sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I
have never had that problem before. Even with horses
I have gotten from other states. Any help? Please
don't critisize. A couple of times that I have asked
for advice I have gotten negative
On 7/31/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn
sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I
have never had that problem before. Even with horses
I have gotten from other states. Any help? Please
don't critisize. A couple of times
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn
sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral.
Was Scooter also like that previously?
Try setting out some treats on the driveway (ahead of time), going away from
home, so that he can have something to look forward to, something that he
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 10:28:11AM -0700, Lorraine wrote:
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn
sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I
have never had that problem before. Even with horses
I have gotten from other states. Any help? Please
don't critisize. A
Okay Lori, since it's confession time, Twist is also quite barn sour, a
first for me - ever.
He will leave the farm with another horse, but puts up quite a struggle if
he's by himself. When I first started riding him, he was down right
dangerous when going back to the barn, but he has calmed
On 31/07/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn
sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I
have never had that problem before.
Hi Lori, if it were me dealing with this and I have no experience with
a barn sour horse (touching toe to
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