RE: (313)Final scratch
Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
RE: (313)Final scratch
FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
RE: (313)Final scratch
yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- sponges are scary. http://www.acre-c.com/josh23
RE: (313)Final scratch
without the hardware, how does the analog turntable signal become digital? and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from Amsterdam who spent years working with underground DJs to develope the system. I don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of their labor to a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others then bit off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push their 'underground' status as a selling point. i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. -- sponges are scary. http://www.acre-c.com/josh23
RE: (313)Final scratch
the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're doing with the record sends it back through the audio interface and out through the mixer. it's good stuff. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote without the hardware, how does the analog turntable signal become digital? and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from Amsterdam who spent years working with underground DJs to develope the system. I don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of their labor to a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others then bit off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push their 'underground' status as a selling point. i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else
RE: (313)Final scratch
and, i was just trying to make a joke, but what i think makes ms.pinky stand apart from final scratch is the open source nature of the program like James mentioned, there are already some pretty cool plugins for mspinky such as Girl: http://girl.yowstar.com/ josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:48:53 -0700, josh23 wrote the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're doing with the record sends it back through the audio interface and out through the mixer. it's good stuff. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote without the hardware, how does the analog turntable signal become digital? and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from Amsterdam who spent years working with underground DJs to develope the system. I don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of their labor to a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others then bit off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push their 'underground' status as a selling point. i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04
RE: (313)Final scratch
that sounds like more effort and more stuff to carry around. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're doing with the record sends it back through the audio interface and out through the mixer. it's good stuff. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote without the hardware, how does the analog turntable signal become digital? and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from Amsterdam who spent years working with underground DJs to develope the system. I don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of their labor to a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others then bit off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push their 'underground' status as a selling point. i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04
RE: (313)Final scratch
ok- so now i'm understnading a bit more of its appeal. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: and, i was just trying to make a joke, but what i think makes ms.pinky stand apart from final scratch is the open source nature of the program like James mentioned, there are already some pretty cool plugins for mspinky such as Girl: http://girl.yowstar.com/ josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:48:53 -0700, josh23 wrote the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're doing with the record sends it back through the audio interface and out through the mixer. it's good stuff. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote without the hardware, how does the analog turntable signal become digital? and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from Amsterdam who spent years working with underground DJs to develope the system. I don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of their labor to a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others then bit off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push their 'underground' status as a selling point. i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half
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damn, man. why you always gotta be argumentative. ;) it's not really when it comes down to it. FS has its own audio interface that you -have- to use to use the program, ms.pinky allows you the ability to pick and choose what you're working with, other then that the only extra piece of gear is the phono preamps which are pretty tiny. if you're not looking to do any expanded things with the software then FS is a good way to go, nothing wrong with that. but if you're into a program that is A. only $100, and B. will continually expand and offer new things, then ms.pinky is the way to go. my friends who use final scratch are always complaining about how they won't release the code and therefore the only expansions to the software are the ones that the company introduces, and i guess they're not really, i could be wrong, where alternately with ms.pinky any nerd with an idea can contribute to the project. i think that sort of thing is important. and the designer is very accessible and friendly and is constantly doing things to the program to improve it. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:58:30 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote that sounds like more effort and more stuff to carry around. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're doing with the record sends it back through the audio interface and out through the mixer. it's good stuff. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote without the hardware, how does the analog turntable signal become digital? and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from Amsterdam who spent years working with underground DJs to develope the system. I don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of their labor to a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others then bit off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push their 'underground' status as a selling point. i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message
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and here we've hit on one of the biggest debates in technology right now. how does an inventor protect himself and make years of rd financially feesible while at the same time allowing for the sort of innovation that only open surce will allow. like every other quandry in the digital world, there doesn't seem to be an answer. but i do get prickly when people get all 'street' about open source while the heads who dedicated years of their lives to making something become 'the man' as soon as they suceed in their project. catch-22 (like everything else) On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: damn, man. why you always gotta be argumentative. ;) it's not really when it comes down to it. FS has its own audio interface that you -have- to use to use the program, ms.pinky allows you the ability to pick and choose what you're working with, other then that the only extra piece of gear is the phono preamps which are pretty tiny. if you're not looking to do any expanded things with the software then FS is a good way to go, nothing wrong with that. but if you're into a program that is A. only $100, and B. will continually expand and offer new things, then ms.pinky is the way to go. my friends who use final scratch are always complaining about how they won't release the code and therefore the only expansions to the software are the ones that the company introduces, and i guess they're not really, i could be wrong, where alternately with ms.pinky any nerd with an idea can contribute to the project. i think that sort of thing is important. and the designer is very accessible and friendly and is constantly doing things to the program to improve it. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:58:30 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote that sounds like more effort and more stuff to carry around. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're doing with the record sends it back through the audio interface and out through the mixer. it's good stuff. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote without the hardware, how does the analog turntable signal become digital? and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from Amsterdam who spent years working with underground DJs to develope the system. I don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of their labor to a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others then bit off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push their 'underground' status as a selling point. i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use proprietary hardware and you get that all important indie street cred by using a diy piece of software. ;) and it has pink vinyl. josh23 On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't know how the interface would work On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this alternative system http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video mixer so you can control video files as well as audio files. Plus if you are a computer synthesis geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter patches to be controlled by the turntable! Word!!! At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM
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this ms.pinky looks interesting. latency looks a little high tho (12ms vs. 7 for FS afaik). robin... - -Original Message- - From: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - org] On Behalf Of josh23 - Sent: 03 April 2004 02:56 - To: 313@hyperreal.org - Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch - - - and, i was just trying to make a joke, but what i think - makes ms.pinky stand - apart from final scratch is the open source nature of the - program like James - mentioned, there are already some pretty cool plugins for - mspinky such as Girl: - - http://girl.yowstar.com/ - - josh23 - - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:48:53 -0700, josh23 wrote - the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the - turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and - then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. - the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're - doing with the record sends it back through the audio - interface and - out through the mixer. it's good stuff. - - josh23 - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote - without the hardware, how does the analog turntable - signal become digital? - - and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from - Amsterdam who - spent years working with underground DJs to develope the - system. I - don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of - their labor to - a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others - then bit - off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push - their 'underground' status as a selling point. - - i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: - -yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use - proprietary hardware and you get -that all important indie street cred by using a diy - piece of software. ;) - -and it has pink vinyl. - -josh23 - - -On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote - FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't - know how the interface - would work - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: - - Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this - alternative system - http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video - mixer so you can - control - video files as well as audio files. Plus if you - are a computer synthesis - geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter - patches to be controlled - by the - turntable! Word!!! - - - At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - - - - -- it's not what you've got but how you use it - - MEK - - - - - Steward, - Tim - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To: 313 - 313@hyperreal.org - uware.com cc: - - - Subject: RE: - (313)Final - scratch - 04/02/04 02:43 - PM - - - - - - - - - - What's the overall opinion of final scratch - - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks - - Just a question? - - Because I have seen some use just the laptop - and final scratch and you just don't get the same - vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin - Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house - like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it - until I saw him up close... - - - - TS-1 - - -Original Message- - From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 - Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question - - - well I have had the pleasure a few times and now - having been - watching him from behind him with Final scratch - and Albeton - I can say its unreal the effort he puts in - ..mentally more than - physically..we all know he has excellent tricks - but he was mixing at - least - 4 - sounds last September and so he didn't do too - many but I think that - pauid - off as his less - is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) - - I will report on Monday what happened this time :) - - I can't wait to see him again!! - - have a good wknd all :) - - Ian - -Original Message- - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 - To: 313 - Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question - - - - - - - i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get - from a lot of - people when - they have one particular release that - completely overshadows - everything - else
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Ms. Pinky is excellent - though not meant for the traditional DJ. It's very, very, very difficult to beatmatch with because of the noted latency. Not to say that it can't be done, I've heard people who could use it with an adequate amount of proficiency. Though I should add, I heard from a somewhat reliable source that Dan Bell has been using it, though I have no idea if that's true or not - but who knows? It is great for the most avent-of-turntablists. The ability to create patches in Jitter or Max/MSP and then control it using a turntable opens up tons of possibility. I want to add the FS guys are great. Back in the BeOS heyday of the late-90's they were extremely open with the development and sending out early-kits. In fact, Hawtin and Aquaviva came in very late in the game - I would say during the BeOS fallout around '99 when the FS guys were already working with Linux. While I think FS has hit a wall in terms of development, and I don't see the software going anywhere without a complete redesign, the progress they made early-on should not be contested. amg On Apr 3, 2004, at 7:20 AM, robin wrote: this ms.pinky looks interesting. latency looks a little high tho (12ms vs. 7 for FS afaik). robin... - -Original Message- - From: - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - org] On Behalf Of josh23 - Sent: 03 April 2004 02:56 - To: 313@hyperreal.org - Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch - - - and, i was just trying to make a joke, but what i think - makes ms.pinky stand - apart from final scratch is the open source nature of the - program like James - mentioned, there are already some pretty cool plugins for - mspinky such as Girl: - - http://girl.yowstar.com/ - - josh23 - - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:48:53 -0700, josh23 wrote - the records have these high pitched tones on them. you run the - turntables out into phono preamps and into an audio interface. and - then run the audio interface into the mixer and into your laptop. - the laptop interprets the signal and makes the mp3 do what you're - doing with the record sends it back through the audio - interface and - out through the mixer. it's good stuff. - - josh23 - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:45:50 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote - without the hardware, how does the analog turntable - signal become digital? - - and honestly- FS was made by some creative freaks from - Amsterdam who - spent years working with underground DJs to develope the - system. I - don't find the fact that they then sold the fruit of - their labor to - a manufacturer a loss of cred. I find it sad that others - then bit - off their idea, tweeked it out a bit and are now trying to push - their 'underground' status as a selling point. - - i know you're kinda joking, but its a valid point. - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, josh23 wrote: - -yes. but with mspinky you don't have to use - proprietary hardware and you get -that all important indie street cred by using a diy - piece of software. ;) - -and it has pink vinyl. - -josh23 - - -On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:38:16 -0500 (EST), yussel wrote - FS can play vieo files as well, although i don't - know how the interface - would work - - On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, James Hurlbut wrote: - - Speaking of Final Scratch, I noticed this - alternative system - http://www.mspinky.com/ for $99. Its got a video - mixer so you can - control - video files as well as audio files. Plus if you - are a computer synthesis - geek, you can write your own MAX/MSP/Jitter - patches to be controlled - by the - turntable! Word!!! - - - At 01:02 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: - - - - -- it's not what you've got but how you use it - - MEK - - - - - Steward, - Tim - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To: 313 - 313@hyperreal.org - uware.com cc: - - - Subject: RE: - (313)Final - scratch - 04/02/04 02:43 - PM - - - - - - - - - - What's the overall opinion of final scratch - - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks - - Just a question? - - Because I have seen some use just the laptop - and final scratch and you just don't get the same - vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin - Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house - like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it - until I saw him up close... - - - - TS-1 - - -Original Message- - From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 - Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question - - - well I have had
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What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
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- it's not what you've got but how you use it MEK Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org uware.com cc: Subject: RE: (313)Final scratch 04/02/04 02:43 PM What's the overall opinion of final scratch - a dj showing up to gig with a laptop vs decks Just a question? Because I have seen some use just the laptop and final scratch and you just don't get the same vibe... But on the other hand I have seen Kevin Saunderson use it along with decks and rocked the house like you would not believe...and I was not sold on it until I saw him up close... TS-1 -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question well I have had the pleasure a few times and now having been watching him from behind him with Final scratch and Albeton I can say its unreal the effort he puts in ..mentally more than physically..we all know he has excellent tricks but he was mixing at least 4 sounds last September and so he didn't do too many but I think that pauid off as his less is definatley more..if you know what I mean ;) I will report on Monday what happened this time :) I can't wait to see him again!! have a good wknd all :) Ian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 April 2004 19:59 To: 313 Subject: RE: (313) That Friday Question i think that's the sort of faux modesty you get from a lot of people when they have one particular release that completely overshadows everything else they've done. Well, in my brief moments with Claude I can say that I doubt he's the type to faux anything - he's a pretty humble guy I don't think the DJ Kicks overshadows everything he's done either His 7th City, Djax, Elypsia, the work he's done with Terrence Parker and his Dow releases - all of it is A+ the one thing is - listening to his mixes is not half as good as watching him DJ MEK --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/04 The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it.
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) Ableton on the other hand has made non-DJs like Brenden Gillan into really enjoyable DJs and really good DJs like Surgeon into friggin megamix deities. Yarr! however- i've not seen surgeon actually play with ableton. is it just him and a laptop? o ris he still playing records along with the ableton loops? I've seen him four times in the past year now. At ATP he played a Final Scratch set, and it was fantastically varied. I think also because it was sort of his UK Final Scratch coming out party (or was it the 2nd time???), it was all that more mind-blowing for the unexpectedness of it. I saw him twice this Autumn, once @Werk @ Plastic People playing (I think) a combination of Final Scratch and Ableton. He had two laptops at any rate, so it's hard to say if he was using the 2nd laptop for effects or what. That was probably the most eclectic set he's played of these four. It was also fantastic. A couple of months later he played Split, and that was an all-Ableton set. It was probably the most straight-ahead of all of these sets, but it was also his first time playing an HDJ set at a larger party in London to a younger audience (well, younger than Plastic People anyway), and I think he may have played it a bit safer with the track selection, in terms of not pulling out the madness quite as much as in these other sets. I'm not sure if his set Saturday was just Ableton or not. I think it probably was b/c a friend of mine made the snide comment 'you know he's not DJing, right'? It really didn't matter if he wasn't. It was seriously mind-blowing, probably the equal of his ATP set. I think the Autechre track count was at around 4? And you really wouldn't have known it to look at the dancefloor. I was most surprised by the fact that he worked things in the mix for what seemed like 4 or 5 minutes at a time, with Autechre on top, and the whole dancefloor seemed to love it! In fact, I'd say one of the songs that got the worst reception was Badger Bite! That really threw me for a loop. ;) I'm not convinced it's the solution to tired DJing just yet, but I think that in the right hands it can be magical, and in the almost-right hands it can enable an escape from genre constraints. I've always loved to play as many different styles as I can work into a beat matched format, so if Ableton helps DJs feel like they can do that better, then I'm perfectly happy with it! If Surgeon hasn't been the best techno DJ on the planet for the last year, then his equal hasn't visited London recently. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.rane.com/scratch.html Not cheap but competition should drive prices down. On Feb 9, 2004, at 6:48 PM, Ryan Snowden wrote: For all those enterprising young minds out there, it's time to come up with a similar version of final scratch and sell it at a cheaper cost to undercut final scratch :) In 5 years time we can't have final scratch dictating prices can we? :) Can't be that hard to do to be honest. Different frequency, different part of the record, real-time 0 latency hardware. Just need to find a cheap electronics outlet at the end of the day to do all the mainboards -Original Message- From: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 5:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) final scratch I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. From: Rebekah Farrugia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) final scratch Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:23:14 -0600 I remember about 2 years ago there was a week where there was a lot of discussion on the list about final scratch, some ppl liked it, some were totally against it and thought that it was going to have significant effects of the production of vinyl and DJing, etc. Now that the technology has become commonplace and has been widely accepted i'm wondering what ppl think of it now. Have your opinions about it changed now that it is widespread? What kind of an impact do you think it has had? The one you anticipated? i'd also love to hear any other comments about final scratch and its impact over the past few years. thanks, bekka =) _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en- caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi n.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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I wonder if anyone will say Kraftwerk aren't playing live - Techno has always been about using technology to move the floor, people should stop watch the DJ and get the fcuk down :) - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:14 AM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) Ableton on the other hand has made non-DJs like Brenden Gillan into really enjoyable DJs and really good DJs like Surgeon into friggin megamix deities. Yarr! however- i've not seen surgeon actually play with ableton. is it just him and a laptop? o ris he still playing records along with the ableton loops? I've seen him four times in the past year now. At ATP he played a Final Scratch set, and it was fantastically varied. I think also because it was sort of his UK Final Scratch coming out party (or was it the 2nd time???), it was all that more mind-blowing for the unexpectedness of it. I saw him twice this Autumn, once @Werk @ Plastic People playing (I think) a combination of Final Scratch and Ableton. He had two laptops at any rate, so it's hard to say if he was using the 2nd laptop for effects or what. That was probably the most eclectic set he's played of these four. It was also fantastic. A couple of months later he played Split, and that was an all-Ableton set. It was probably the most straight-ahead of all of these sets, but it was also his first time playing an HDJ set at a larger party in London to a younger audience (well, younger than Plastic People anyway), and I think he may have played it a bit safer with the track selection, in terms of not pulling out the madness quite as much as in these other sets. I'm not sure if his set Saturday was just Ableton or not. I think it probably was b/c a friend of mine made the snide comment 'you know he's not DJing, right'? It really didn't matter if he wasn't. It was seriously mind-blowing, probably the equal of his ATP set. I think the Autechre track count was at around 4? And you really wouldn't have known it to look at the dancefloor. I was most surprised by the fact that he worked things in the mix for what seemed like 4 or 5 minutes at a time, with Autechre on top, and the whole dancefloor seemed to love it! In fact, I'd say one of the songs that got the worst reception was Badger Bite! That really threw me for a loop. ;) I'm not convinced it's the solution to tired DJing just yet, but I think that in the right hands it can be magical, and in the almost-right hands it can enable an escape from genre constraints. I've always loved to play as many different styles as I can work into a beat matched format, so if Ableton helps DJs feel like they can do that better, then I'm perfectly happy with it! If Surgeon hasn't been the best techno DJ on the planet for the last year, then his equal hasn't visited London recently. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.mspinky.com On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Ryan Snowden wrote: For all those enterprising young minds out there, it's time to come up with a similar version of final scratch and sell it at a cheaper cost to undercut final scratch :) In 5 years time we can't have final scratch dictating prices can we? :) Can't be that hard to do to be honest. Different frequency, different part of the record, real-time 0 latency hardware. Just need to find a cheap electronics outlet at the end of the day to do all the mainboards -Original Message- From: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 5:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) final scratch I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. From: Rebekah Farrugia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) final scratch Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:23:14 -0600 I remember about 2 years ago there was a week where there was a lot of discussion on the list about final scratch, some ppl liked it, some were totally against it and thought that it was going to have significant effects of the production of vinyl and DJing, etc. Now that the technology has become commonplace and has been widely accepted i'm wondering what ppl think of it now. Have your opinions about it changed now that it is widespread? What kind of an impact do you think it has had? The one you anticipated? i'd also love to hear any other comments about final scratch and its impact over the past few years. thanks, bekka =) _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi n.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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- Original Message - From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 12:32 AM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) I wonder if anyone will say Kraftwerk aren't playing live - Techno has always been about using technology to move the floor, people should stop watch the DJ and get the fcuk down :) Agreed! And they did (except for my friend). ;) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I like their quote... it may not be the real thing... but at least you're playing with vinyl! ehehe :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 8:52 AM To: Ryan Snowden Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) final scratch www.mspinky.com On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Ryan Snowden wrote: For all those enterprising young minds out there, it's time to come up with a similar version of final scratch and sell it at a cheaper cost to undercut final scratch :) In 5 years time we can't have final scratch dictating prices can we? :) Can't be that hard to do to be honest. Different frequency, different part of the record, real-time 0 latency hardware. Just need to find a cheap electronics outlet at the end of the day to do all the mainboards -Original Message- From: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 5:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) final scratch I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. From: Rebekah Farrugia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) final scratch Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:23:14 -0600 I remember about 2 years ago there was a week where there was a lot of discussion on the list about final scratch, some ppl liked it, some were totally against it and thought that it was going to have significant effects of the production of vinyl and DJing, etc. Now that the technology has become commonplace and has been widely accepted i'm wondering what ppl think of it now. Have your opinions about it changed now that it is widespread? What kind of an impact do you think it has had? The one you anticipated? i'd also love to hear any other comments about final scratch and its impact over the past few years. thanks, bekka =) _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f %2fjoi n.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, Ryan Snowden wrote: For all those enterprising young minds out there, it's time to come up with a similar version of final scratch and sell it at a cheaper cost to undercut final scratch :) In 5 years time we can't have final scratch dictating prices can we? :) How cheap is cheap? FS is now available for GBP300 in the UK (sourced from the States). I think that's reasonable. Anyone wants to know where, hit me back and I'll dig out the address, don't have it to hand. Twop people I know have ordered successfully. Ladies and gentleman, I'm not an agent, have a good day! :-D k
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I thought he was using Ableton Live. -Original Message- From: Bleep43 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2004 10:02 To: Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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so where you there then Ryan? I never got too see ytou? but then I never got too see alot of people :( -Original Message- From: Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 10/02/2004 09:39 To: 'Bleep43'; Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) final scratch (fwd) I thought he was using Ableton Live. -Original Message- From: Bleep43 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2004 10:02 To: Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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I'm really annoyed that I didn't make it down on Saturday, considering what I've heard about Surgeon's set that night! But what I've still not gathered is whether he was using Ableton Live or if he was just spinning on decks - kind of sounds as though he was using Ableton, from what people have been saying about the set... -Original Message- From: Bleep43 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2004 22:02 To: Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing.
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I believe it was Ableton Live, all the way. -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 February 2004 10:17 To: Bleep43; Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) final scratch (fwd) I'm really annoyed that I didn't make it down on Saturday, considering what I've heard about Surgeon's set that night! But what I've still not gathered is whether he was using Ableton Live or if he was just spinning on decks - kind of sounds as though he was using Ableton, from what people have been saying about the set... -Original Message- From: Bleep43 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2004 22:02 To: Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ***
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Yep Ableton and for added danger he had one shoe lace undone :) 10/2/04 10:21 AM Blackman, Ryan (UKEKT)[EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe it was Ableton Live, all the way. -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 February 2004 10:17 To: Bleep43; Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) final scratch (fwd) I'm really annoyed that I didn't make it down on Saturday, considering what I've heard about Surgeon's set that night! But what I've still not gathered is whether he was using Ableton Live or if he was just spinning on decks - kind of sounds as though he was using Ableton, from what people have been saying about the set... -Original Message- From: Bleep43 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 February 2004 22:02 To: Thorin Teague; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. ** * Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email and any files transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations) subsequently transmitted from the Company, are confidential and solely for the use of the intended recipient. It may contain material protected by attorney-client privilege. If you are not listed on the To or Cc lines of the original email (or are not the person responsible for delivering to an intended recipient), then you are not an intended recipient and have received this email in error. Any use by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please notify the IT manager by telephone on +44 (0)20 7337 8300 or via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], attaching this message. Please then delete this email and all attachments, and destroy any copies thereof. Thank you. ** *
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- Of the two, I would say Ableton offers more advantages than - Final Scratch - but requires more prep work before a set. I really can't see - the point in - buying the vinyl side of Final Scratch unless you plan to do - some scratching - or love doing backspins. there is something to be said for the intuitive interface of a pair of decks with vinyl on them don't you think? - Also, with MP3's now becoming more available it's only a - short matter of - time before it's the main way to play out. Why you say, well when you - consider that a distributor and shops still make more than - the artist it - won't be long before artist can sell direct to the punter - and make enough to - live on without all the hassle and have direct contact and - feedback. It's - not as far away as you may think. having just spent a while converting tunes on vinyl into properly masterered wavs for software use i can see the benefits of this (well not the mp3 format maybe but that's another matter), not to mention the reduced cost and ease of purchase. the main hurdle to overcome is that people (myself included i guess) like to get something tangible for their money, not just bits on a disk (which could fail)i suppose one way aroud this is to make sure that when you buy the tune in the digital format you want you effectively have a license that goes with it so that you can download the tune again. robin...
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10/2/04 12:49 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Of the two, I would say Ableton offers more advantages than - Final Scratch - but requires more prep work before a set. I really can't see - the point in - buying the vinyl side of Final Scratch unless you plan to do - some scratching - or love doing backspins. there is something to be said for the intuitive interface of a pair of decks with vinyl on them don't you think? Not in my case, just seems pointless as I hate backspins and only ever scratch me rude bits not me records...Wouldn't say it was intuitive either, more learned through repetition :) But like I said I'll use anything, even spoons (see PTV years) - Also, with MP3's now becoming more available it's only a - short matter of - time before it's the main way to play out. Why you say, well when you - consider that a distributor and shops still make more than - the artist it - won't be long before artist can sell direct to the punter - and make enough to - live on without all the hassle and have direct contact and - feedback. It's - not as far away as you may think. having just spent a while converting tunes on vinyl into properly masterered wavs for software use i can see the benefits of this (well not the mp3 format maybe but that's another matter), not to mention the reduced cost and ease of purchase. the main hurdle to overcome is that people (myself included i guess) like to get something tangible for their money, not just bits on a disk (which could fail)i suppose one way aroud this is to make sure that when you buy the tune in the digital format you want you effectively have a license that goes with it so that you can download the tune again. Kids are cool with it and they don't give a frig about all the gubbings, kinda like my old man moaning about having to buy CD's - it's over...As cool as I think records are the next generation don't care and you won't make them either... Martin
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-Original Message- From: Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 February 2004 12:55 there is something to be said for the intuitive interface of a pair of decks with vinyl on them don't you think? Not in my case, just seems pointless as I hate backspins and only ever scratch me rude bits not me records...Wouldn't say it was intuitive either, more learned through repetition :) I have to say, when I used Final Scratch for the first time a couple of weeks ago (and bear in mind that I'm a bit of an Ableton fanatic generally!) I could see definite advantages to it. First off, the sight of a DJ bringing tracks in and out by spinning discs around on turntables is a bit more engaging to watch than someone who's just mucking around behind a laptop screen. When I last played out with Ableton, I used decks as well mainly for that reason. Second off, the *sound* of a DJ bringing tracks in and out by spinning discs around on turntables is also something that is quite important to crowds sometimes. Nudging a track slightly to keep it in time, getting that nice phasing effect of two similar kick drums coming into sync with one another - you really have to go out of your way to do that with Ableton (I've done it, and it does feel quite weird to be going to such lengths to deliberately build in imperfection). However, in the longer run I reckon things like Ableton will prevail. Final Scratch is just like normal DJing, but with a broader selection of tracks and less chance of a hernia; while Ableton isn't really like normal DJing at all if done properly (see reports of Surgeon's set on Saturday), it's something else altogether. Anyway, I reckon that any DJ trying to kit themselves out for the future should remain flexible and not get tied down into using just one tool. Brendan
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Kids are cool with it and they don't give a frig about all the gubbings, kinda like my old man moaning about having to buy CD's - it's over...As cool as I think records are the next generation don't care and you won't make them either... I reckon I'm not that sure about that. I think that a lot of kids still buy cd's and will continue to do so. My mates kids download stuff from the net, but still save their pocket money to buy cd's with. I also think that within the next generation of kids, there will be some that want to buy records. There will be some kids out there who get capitivated just as we did, and want the record. My mate works in a shop in Manchester, and you see new kids becoming regular customers all the time. but, I might have read you wrong, I guess in general the majority won't, but I think there'll still be a niche market. Also, I know lads who are mad for buying northern soul 7's - they're no older than me, but they were from a later generation of soul buyers, kind of the same thing. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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- there is something to be said for the intuitive interface - of a pair of - decks with vinyl on them don't you think? - - Not in my case, just seems pointless as I hate backspins and - only ever - scratch me rude bits not me records...Wouldn't say it was - intuitive either, - more learned through repetition :) possibly yeah, but touching a record to slow it down and pushing it to speed it up are _very_ intuitive ways to manipulate a piece of audio so that you can mix it with another. the counter-intuitive part of mixing is tuning your perception to two different streams of audio at the same time. - Kids are cool with it and they don't give a frig about all - the gubbings, - kinda like my old man moaning about having to buy CD's - - it's over...As cool - as I think records are the next generation don't care and - you won't make - them either... well your kids are cool with it because it's free (and seen as rebelious) at the moment. when the music industry have all this locked down (and let's face it they are getting there) and people are paying 15 quid (usual CD price) to download just data then they may face some resistance. robin... - Martin - - --- - Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. - Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). - Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 19/01/2004 - -
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10/2/04 1:15 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED]@uk.pwc.com Kids are cool with it and they don't give a frig about all the gubbings, kinda like my old man moaning about having to buy CD's - it's over...As cool as I think records are the next generation don't care and you won't make them either... I reckon I'm not that sure about that. I think that a lot of kids still buy cd's and will continue to do so. My mates kids download stuff from the net, but still save their pocket money to buy cd's with. I also think that within the next generation of kids, there will be some that want to buy records. There will be some kids out there who get capitivated just as we did, and want the record. My mate works in a shop in Manchester, and you see new kids becoming regular customers all the time. Single sales are now the lowest they have ever been, in fact I was in a studio last week and the first thing they knocked out wasn't a rough mix, it was a fcuking ringtone! but, I might have read you wrong, I guess in general the majority won't, but I think there'll still be a niche market. Also, I know lads who are mad for buying northern soul 7's - they're no older than me, but they were from a later generation of soul buyers, kind of the same thing. This will always be the way but its not how the mass market works I'm afraid, you can't force people at gun point... well your kids are cool with it because it's free (and seen as rebellious) at the moment. when the music industry have all this locked down (and let's face it they are getting there) and people are paying 15 quid (usual CD price) to download just data then they may face some resistance. Disagree, they don't know any different and more to the point they don't really care - tough but that's the way they are. They don't see it as rebellion at all - they don't give a toss about it - they don't even think about it. One album or 15 Albums on a Dvd for a fiver - which one do you think they go for. As much as it pains me, we just have to move on... Martin
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- Single sales are now the lowest they have ever been, in fact - I was in a - studio last week and the first thing they knocked out wasn't - a rough mix, it - was a fcuking ringtone! nevermind the death of techno...this is the death of music! robin...
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I recently started using Ableton Live next to Traktor (FS), Vinyls and Buzztracker. The freedom that comes along with this setup is pretty genius. The only thing i miss right now are some Kaosspads II and another set of arms/hands :) The big thumb down of this setup: It needs too much tablespace for the perfect fun-setup (including 2 oct keyboard and drehbank). Btw, when i started releasing music on the internet in '95 i was dreaming about something like Final Scratch. It's also a good opportunity to play good and fresh music that the public doesn't know. Think about it. Ronny
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This will always be the way but its not how the mass market works I'm afraid, you can't force people at gun point... well, yeah, I was making the point that I think there will still be kids buying stuff coming through, I didnt mean in a mass-market kind of sense. I'm talking about it in relevance to us/the list. and, while numbers will obviously diminish as time goes on, there will always be people who want records, or cd's of this music. Disagree, they don't know any different and more to the point they don't really care - tough but that's the way they are. They don't see it as rebellion at all - they don't give a toss about it - they don't even think about it. this wasnt in reply to my comment, but I think you're generalising a whole generation. There's as many people of our generation who couldnt give a toss either, a copied tape or cd is more than enough for them - or just listening to the radio. Of course the majority of kids are like this - but, what I was trying to say is that within that generation, there's a new generation of kids who will care about music as a passion as we do. admittedly, its a really tiny minority, but it always has been a tiny majority. and rest assured the large scale music industry will find a way to sell their products to the kids and collect the revenues. whether this is via mp3 or whatever downloadable format, or via a hard copy of something, I have no idea, but they'll still be consuming it and paying for it. alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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but it always has been a tiny majority. and rest assured the large scale music industry will find a way to sell their products to the kids and collect the revenues. whether this is via mp3 or whatever downloadable format, or via a hard copy of something, I have no idea, but they'll still be consuming it and paying for it. You seem to agree with me on most points but you have to understand how the majors work, because they influence most things, they've lost control of their product and profit. I've read the reports, they are very scary and do confirm what I'm saying - Some kids will always be like us but the market at the moment is 9-12yr girls who buy from Woolworth's - now you know why the charts are so sh*te. Thing is, most aren't paying for it - now that it's software, its wide open and no amount of encryption or copyright protection will save them - people aren't paying, fact... But I do feel this is to the advantage of the smaller player like Warp, but look who they have to deal with as well, US - 192K bitrate!!! Up yours :) There's just no pleasing us I reckon. I wish it wasn't true, but sadly it is... Martin
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- well your kids are cool with it because it's free (and seen as - rebellious) at the moment. when the music industry have all - this locked - down (and let's face it they are getting there) and people - are paying 15 - quid (usual CD price) to download just data then they may face some - resistance. - - Disagree, they don't know any different and more to the - point they don't - really care - tough but that's the way they are. They don't see it as - rebellion at all - they don't give a toss about it - they - don't even think about it. - One album or 15 Albums on a Dvd for a fiver - which one do - you think they go - for. you're not disagreeing with me, at the moment it's like this and in a year or so they'll have shut down any way to get mainstream music from P2P networks and sony will be selling you your Dizzee Rascal CD via their CocaCola branded site as Windows media files for 15 quid - As much as it pains me, we just have to move on... well i might agree with you there but the point is that vinyl/dj culture, whilst approaching mainstream over the last few years, doesn't quite conform to the mainstream point of view. so when we move on it may be to a different place to where the mainstream moves on to. robin...
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There's just no pleasing us I reckon. well, thats for sure. no, yeah, I get what you're saying now. I thought you were mis-understanding me and I'm wound up as it is today. but anyway alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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- Thing is, most aren't paying for it - now that it's - software, its wide open - and no amount of encryption or copyright protection will - save them - people - aren't paying, fact... 12 months ago i'd have agreed with you there martin. at this point in time tho i'm not sure the big players have lost this battle. i mean look at the success of iTMS. granted the kids out there who are tech-savvy enough to go illegal p2p might still continue (like people ripping copies of CDs and us lot taping lps as kids) but the majority of people just want the easy fix and are willing to pay a fair amount (60p a tune on iTMS)... - But I do feel this is to the advantage of the smaller player - like Warp, but - look who they have to deal with as well, US - 192K - bitrate!!! Up yours :) :) - There's just no pleasing us I reckon. that's why we're a niche robin...
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10/2/04 2:34 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Thing is, most aren't paying for it - now that it's - software, its wide open - and no amount of encryption or copyright protection will - save them - people - aren't paying, fact... 12 months ago i'd have agreed with you there martin. at this point in time tho i'm not sure the big players have lost this battle. i mean look at the success of iTMS. granted the kids out there who are tech-savvy enough to go illegal p2p might still continue (like people ripping copies of CDs and us lot taping lps as kids) but the majority of people just want the easy fix and are willing to pay a fair amount (60p a tune on iTMS)... Crikey do I have to post up the whole of the 990 page report :) Your not agreeing with me - I guess Sony, Universal, Warners and EMI are wrong then!They should have just said so, would have saved me sometime :) They know they've lost and the only way is to prosecutes individuals - last tactic - fear. 19 billion lost vs 1.25 made, my accountant would say that's NOT a fair amount. What I said is kids don't care, and with big money to be made, it aint some fat geeky kid who's making the bucks in the playground fella.
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sorry to be a t**t, but I had to laugh... 1.25 billion made its a rum do when you're only making that much huh?! but, anyway, thats nothing to do with anything, so carry on! btw, Martin, that report you mentioned, is that available on the internet or anything, might help me understand all this stuff a bit better. anyway.. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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10/2/04 3:49 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] - They know they've lost and the only way is to prosecutes - individuals - last - tactic - fear. - - 19 billion lost vs 1.25 made, my accountant would say that's - NOT a fair - amount. snip This is a figure from a independent professional report, available from Andersons for 30K if your interested - do you not believe anything dude? I give up... Question: when you pay to set up the Dust Club label download site (servers, ISP, bandwidth, all the credit card links etc etc) will you be happy with just say 10 downloads and then seeing the releases all over the p2p networks for nowt. In some sense you could write that off as promotional losses but it isn't sustainable is it? And now we're almost back on topic as this applies to many of the labels that have a prescence on this list that might be considering digital distribution. You have to be honest, how the hell do you control it - answer you can't. I'll just ask people to be as honest as they can be and help support the label and the artist. Martin
(313) RIAA and mp3 downloads (was RE: (313) final scratch)
We're way off topic now (i'll be on topic by the end of this mail so bear with me). The losses the companies attribute to piracy/p2p internet downloads are way off target anyway, this (19billion) is probably a RIAA figure. It is as far as I'm aware - I think it's based on an estimate for the number of tracks downloaded through p2p networks over the last year, alongside the assumption that *every track downloaded would have actually been a CD album sale if p2p networks didn't exist*, which I think is where the figure really falls down. For example, you could apply a similar logic to show how radio stations have lost trillions of dollars for the RIAA in the last few decades, on the assumption that each time a listener heard a track on the radio the RIAA basically lost one album sale. It completely discounts the fact that a lot of people download tracks they wouldn't have bought anyway; it discounts the fact that a lot of people buy CDs they wouldn't have bought if they *hadn't* heard one or more of the tracks over p2p first; so, all in all, it's a sexed-up figure alright! FWIW, a person I know works for a major label and is quite heavily involved with that label's anti-p2p efforts. He tells me that while the majors are confident that the next few years will see legitimate mp3 services eclipse the illegal ones in terms of visibility and prominence, they have effectively given up on a certain generation of listeners, who they don't think they'll ever really wean away from the illegal services (which they know they'll never completely vanquish). That generation is the one that's university-age now, which has never really known a world where you *have* to pay for music. Younger generations will, in theory, grow up accustomed to using paid mp3 services; older generations, like the late-20s/early-30s demographic that makes up the bulk of this list, will always have a sense of guilt about free music which will make them go back to buying music on physical media or use paid services instead. That's what I'm told anyway... Brendan
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FWIW, a person I know works for a major label and is quite heavily involved with that label's anti-p2p efforts. He tells me that while the majors are confident that the next few years will see legitimate mp3 services eclipse the illegal ones in terms of visibility and prominence, they have effectively given up on a certain generation of listeners, who they don't think they'll ever really wean away from the illegal services (which they know they'll never completely vanquish). Before I started downloading anything, I would see stats saying that people who dl their music actually have been shown to buy more then people who don't. Now of course I read that and thought the fools have their heads in their collective arses. Ever since grabbing soulseek for myself (to dl mix sets) I've started to realize that the tracks and records I've ended up dl'ing I've also bought. I've 'discovered' several new ARTISTS and LABELS because of file sharing. I've picked up on many older Bands and Artists that I probably would not ever have heard before. I now use file sharing to find records that I then try to hunt down (and buy). I guess what I'm trying to say is that the record companies giving up on my generation because they don't think we'll ever generate any profit for themis a mistake. Does anyone know if these record companies have done any independant studies on the subject and if so are the findings online somewhere? I can see them 'ditching' a generation like that if they were only listening to what the RIAA tells them but I think they would be surpirsed if they checked up on it themselves (assuming they haven't already!?). Trevor Wilkes
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This has me thinking about what music means to people today - seems to be more of a commodity than a communication between two or more living beings All the digital formats remove parts of the sound spectrum and change the sound of the music - some may say it's crisper but the human ear isn't designed for it I would propose that we don't react the same way, on a physical level, to digital vs analogue sound. Our ears are designed by nature to take in all of the sound in the environment - ambient and active. What I don't understand is why people want to have less compression on their formats but still think that digital is the wave of the future. If you want less compression then just use analogue sound sources. That to me is saying that analogue is the best because it's the closest recording to actually being there but we're going to cut out more of the spectrum because it's the way forward. Digital is convenient for producing music but it's no where near analogue for reproduction. It never will be. Why are we allowing ourselves to be led by the Pied Piper of the established music industry toward more music as commodity? MEK robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Martin' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctric.com313@hyperreal.org cc: 02/10/04 07:34 AMSubject: RE: (313) final scratch - Single sales are now the lowest they have ever been, in fact - I was in a - studio last week and the first thing they knocked out wasn't - a rough mix, it - was a fcuking ringtone! nevermind the death of techno...this is the death of music! robin...
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the main hurdle to overcome is that people (myself included i guess) like to get something tangible for their money, not just bits on a disk (which could fail)i suppose one way aroud this is to make sure that when you buy the tune in the digital format you want you effectively have a license that goes with it so that you can download the tune again. But your records could always get scratched. robin...
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the counter-intuitive part of mixing is tuning your perception to two different streams of audio at the same time. statements like this sounds a lot like people who used to say it was un-natural for people to listen to music made by machines. something isn't un-natural just because you're not used to it. - Kids are cool with it and they don't give a frig about all - the gubbings, - kinda like my old man moaning about having to buy CD's - - it's over...As cool - as I think records are the next generation don't care and - you won't make - them either... well your kids are cool with it because it's free (and seen as rebelious) at the moment. when the music industry have all this locked down (and let's face it they are getting there) and people are paying 15 quid (usual CD price) to download just data then they may face some resistance. robin... - Martin - - --- - Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. - Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). - Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 19/01/2004 - -
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I use strictly vinyl when I dj, but I can't say that I won't purchase a final scratch set up in the future. The convenience of carrying a lighter bag is my main reasoning for it, especially since when I play out, I always bring close to 100 records. Plus you don't have the risk of scratching the rare records that you dropped some coin on. Also, look at all of the edits that Surgeon does on tracks that he plays that he never presses, it gets too costly if you want to press every single remix you create. As far as the purity of music take on this and everything - I don't believe any of that. If you're trying to listen to something as close to the original recording as possible, then you wouldn't play it out at +/- x%. That takes the music out of key. It's still mathematically correct in that the frequency between the steps on that scale are the same, but the scale is shifted up or or down, thus not making it truly A minor, or whatever key it was originally played in; it would become A minor +26Hz, or whatever the math would come out to be depending on the percent change of the pitch shift. Also, a lot of music is being recorded as strictly digital these days, studios exist without a single reel of analog tape. Recording to a laptop and seeing the drawn out waveform does not make the file analog, since hard drives are written to digitally, the .wav file is still a digitally sampled waveform. So if it is originally a digital recording, why convert it to analog, there's no gain in sound quality, you can't add depth to a sound after it's already created. Besides, isn't the art of djing, more based on adding your own twist on other people's music? If that includes doing reworks, and edits of a track using digital software, and digital waveform editors, then so be it, that's at the remixer's discretion. Finally, I'd say that even the biggest audiophiles would have quite a challenge ahead of them in deciphering the difference between a piece of vinyl, and a properly encoded record using lame at a reasonable sample rate and bit depth when it's played over a loud, noisy, and often boomy club system. Not trying to argue on the matter at all, just trying to voice my opinion on the whole digital dj realm. I used to be so ridiculously anti-final scratch, that I got into an argument with Richie Hawtin about it. He made very valid points, but I was so passionate about my stance on the matter, that I failed to really take them into account at the time. I just think that it's inevitable that djing is going to go digital, whether it be for better or for worse. -Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has me thinking about what music means to people today - seems to be more of a commodity than a communication between two or more living beings All the digital formats remove parts of the sound spectrum and change the sound of the music - some may say it's crisper but the human ear isn't designed for it I would propose that we don't react the same way, on a physical level, to digital vs analogue sound. Our ears are designed by nature to take in all of the sound in the environment - ambient and active. What I don't understand is why people want to have less compression on their formats but still think that digital is the wave of the future. If you want less compression then just use analogue sound sources. That to me is saying that analogue is the best because it's the closest recording to actually being there but we're going to cut out more of the spectrum because it's the way forward. Digital is convenient for producing music but it's no where near analogue for reproduction. It never will be. Why are we allowing ourselves to be led by the Pied Piper of the established music industry toward more music as commodity? MEK robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Martin' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctric.com313@hyperreal.org cc: 02/10/04 07:34 AMSubject: RE: (313) final scratch - Single sales are now the lowest they have ever been, in fact - I was in a - studio last week and the first thing they knocked out wasn't - a rough mix
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i think jeff mills, final scratch, richie hawtin, macintoshes, 909 sounds and soul music (including Amp Fiddler) are all DEAD and/or OVER/UNDER-RATED! and shxt, don't get me started on women in techno ;) -d -Original Message- From: Rebekah Farrugia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:23 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) final scratch I remember about 2 years ago there was a week where there was a lot of discussion on the list about final scratch, some ppl liked it, some were totally against it and thought that it was going to have significant effects of the production of vinyl and DJing, etc. Now that the technology has become commonplace and has been widely accepted i'm wondering what ppl think of it now. Have your opinions about it changed now that it is widespread? What kind of an impact do you think it has had? The one you anticipated? i'd also love to hear any other comments about final scratch and its impact over the past few years. thanks, bekka =)
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I'm not an authority on the matter by any stretch of the imagination, but my gut instinct is that vinyl DJ'ing was about to die (relatively speaking--by about to die I mean within 5 years), and final scratch probably single handedly added at least 5-10 more years to the craft's lifespan (those numbers are just a scientific wild-arsed guess, could be more, I doubt it's less though.) Hell, the first time I heard it explained to me I basically asked, How the HELL does it work?! Magic?! It didn't seem logical that you could load an mp3 onto a physical piece of vinyl and play it with a turntable. Can't be all bad, as far as I'm concerned. Feel free to commence flaming, 313'ers, but make sure you're not just acting out of an irrational and unfounded fear of progress. Rebekah Farrugia writes: I remember about 2 years ago there was a week where there was a lot of discussion on the list about final scratch, some ppl liked it, some were totally against it and thought that it was going to have significant effects of the production of vinyl and DJing, etc. Now that the technology has become commonplace and has been widely accepted i'm wondering what ppl think of it now. Have your opinions about it changed now that it is widespread? What kind of an impact do you think it has had? The one you anticipated? i'd also love to hear any other comments about final scratch and its impact over the past few years. thanks, bekka =)
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I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. From: Rebekah Farrugia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) final scratch Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:23:14 -0600 I remember about 2 years ago there was a week where there was a lot of discussion on the list about final scratch, some ppl liked it, some were totally against it and thought that it was going to have significant effects of the production of vinyl and DJing, etc. Now that the technology has become commonplace and has been widely accepted i'm wondering what ppl think of it now. Have your opinions about it changed now that it is widespread? What kind of an impact do you think it has had? The one you anticipated? i'd also love to hear any other comments about final scratch and its impact over the past few years. thanks, bekka =) _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
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It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing.
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Surgeon mainly uses Ableton now to play live. Both appz offer advantages over 12's. The first being, you don't have to carry a box of 12's everywhere - pure pain in the ass as anyone who's walked more than ten yards with a bag of 80+ will tell you. Popping on a plane with a laptop with back-up in your pocket has loads of advantages over losing your records to a thiefing fcuker at the airport. Of the two, I would say Ableton offers more advantages than Final Scratch but requires more prep work before a set. I really can't see the point in buying the vinyl side of Final Scratch unless you plan to do some scratching or love doing backspins. Surgeon has set the benchmark for what you can do, I've never heard him play the same set twice and he can play for 4 hours plus without repeating himself and it's add loads of depth to his stuff, some of the stuff he does is so sweet, clever and so on target. Also, with MP3's now becoming more available it's only a short matter of time before it's the main way to play out. Why you say, well when you consider that a distributor and shops still make more than the artist it won't be long before artist can sell direct to the punter and make enough to live on without all the hassle and have direct contact and feedback. It's not as far away as you may think. Martin - Original Message - From: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing.
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FInal Scratch, for all its convenience, is yet to make a Dj set considerable better. In fact, I still think its slowed down things like track selection. Ableton on the other hand has made non-DJs like Brenden Gillan into really enjoyable DJs and really good DJs like Surgeon into friggin megamix deities. however- i've not seen surgeon actually play with ableton. is it just him and a laptop? o ris he still playing records along with the ableton loops? On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Martin wrote: Surgeon mainly uses Ableton now to play live. Both appz offer advantages over 12's. The first being, you don't have to carry a box of 12's everywhere - pure pain in the ass as anyone who's walked more than ten yards with a bag of 80+ will tell you. Popping on a plane with a laptop with back-up in your pocket has loads of advantages over losing your records to a thiefing fcuker at the airport. Of the two, I would say Ableton offers more advantages than Final Scratch but requires more prep work before a set. I really can't see the point in buying the vinyl side of Final Scratch unless you plan to do some scratching or love doing backspins. Surgeon has set the benchmark for what you can do, I've never heard him play the same set twice and he can play for 4 hours plus without repeating himself and it's add loads of depth to his stuff, some of the stuff he does is so sweet, clever and so on target. Also, with MP3's now becoming more available it's only a short matter of time before it's the main way to play out. Why you say, well when you consider that a distributor and shops still make more than the artist it won't be long before artist can sell direct to the punter and make enough to live on without all the hassle and have direct contact and feedback. It's not as far away as you may think. Martin - Original Message - From: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing.
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I wonder if DJs debated the addition of a pitch adjustment slider on turntables as much as we now debated Final Scratch/Ableton? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] et To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED], 02/09/04 04:55 PM 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) FInal Scratch, for all its convenience, is yet to make a Dj set considerable better. In fact, I still think its slowed down things like track selection. Ableton on the other hand has made non-DJs like Brenden Gillan into really enjoyable DJs and really good DJs like Surgeon into friggin megamix deities. however- i've not seen surgeon actually play with ableton. is it just him and a laptop? o ris he still playing records along with the ableton loops? On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Martin wrote: Surgeon mainly uses Ableton now to play live. Both appz offer advantages over 12's. The first being, you don't have to carry a box of 12's everywhere - pure pain in the ass as anyone who's walked more than ten yards with a bag of 80+ will tell you. Popping on a plane with a laptop with back-up in your pocket has loads of advantages over losing your records to a thiefing fcuker at the airport. Of the two, I would say Ableton offers more advantages than Final Scratch but requires more prep work before a set. I really can't see the point in buying the vinyl side of Final Scratch unless you plan to do some scratching or love doing backspins. Surgeon has set the benchmark for what you can do, I've never heard him play the same set twice and he can play for 4 hours plus without repeating himself and it's add loads of depth to his stuff, some of the stuff he does is so sweet, clever and so on target. Also, with MP3's now becoming more available it's only a short matter of time before it's the main way to play out. Why you say, well when you consider that a distributor and shops still make more than the artist it won't be long before artist can sell direct to the punter and make enough to live on without all the hassle and have direct contact and feedback. It's not as far away as you may think. Martin - Original Message - From: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing.
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Here's one for you as well, Greg Wilson, ground breaking Electro DJ: http://www.electrofunkroots.co.uk/ Watched him play on Saturday night using two decks, a laptop (using two copies of Winamp!) and a old 1/4 inch Revox tape machine, he actual plays the tape machine like a deck, haven't seen that since TG. He rocked the floor all night... Worth a look people. Martin Dust - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:55 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) FInal Scratch, for all its convenience, is yet to make a Dj set considerable better. In fact, I still think its slowed down things like track selection. Ableton on the other hand has made non-DJs like Brenden Gillan into really enjoyable DJs and really good DJs like Surgeon into friggin megamix deities. however- i've not seen surgeon actually play with ableton. is it just him and a laptop? o ris he still playing records along with the ableton loops? On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Martin wrote: Surgeon mainly uses Ableton now to play live. Both appz offer advantages over 12's. The first being, you don't have to carry a box of 12's everywhere - pure pain in the ass as anyone who's walked more than ten yards with a bag of 80+ will tell you. Popping on a plane with a laptop with back-up in your pocket has loads of advantages over losing your records to a thiefing fcuker at the airport. Of the two, I would say Ableton offers more advantages than Final Scratch but requires more prep work before a set. I really can't see the point in buying the vinyl side of Final Scratch unless you plan to do some scratching or love doing backspins. Surgeon has set the benchmark for what you can do, I've never heard him play the same set twice and he can play for 4 hours plus without repeating himself and it's add loads of depth to his stuff, some of the stuff he does is so sweet, clever and so on target. Also, with MP3's now becoming more available it's only a short matter of time before it's the main way to play out. Why you say, well when you consider that a distributor and shops still make more than the artist it won't be long before artist can sell direct to the punter and make enough to live on without all the hassle and have direct contact and feedback. It's not as far away as you may think. Martin - Original Message - From: Bleep43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch (fwd) It's a major technological breakthrough for the art of DJing, so therefore it will have both positive and negative aspects. I'm seriously considering buying it so that I can then start playing all genres of music when playing out. Surgeon's set at Split on Saturday in London confirmed to me what this can do - he has progressed beyond all other techno DJs in the genre right now by using it to cross-reference what he calls proper techno. It was thunderingly futuristic, and sounded phenomenal. Derrick May sounded quite lame in comparison. - Original Message - From: Thorin Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 9:57 PM Subject: (313) final scratch (fwd) Another good point, but being american and inebriated by consumer culture as I am, I like to own things. Having a physical piece of wax [sometimes] with a cute little picture on it, or even just a white label, is just fun to me. So I still break out in a rash when I think about selling off my vinyl. (Plus that I've sold so much cool vinyl that I've had to kick myself for.) Carissa Tintinalli writes: I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing.
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For all those enterprising young minds out there, it's time to come up with a similar version of final scratch and sell it at a cheaper cost to undercut final scratch :) In 5 years time we can't have final scratch dictating prices can we? :) Can't be that hard to do to be honest. Different frequency, different part of the record, real-time 0 latency hardware. Just need to find a cheap electronics outlet at the end of the day to do all the mainboards -Original Message- From: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 5:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) final scratch I think there's been an interesting economic impact, especially for those djs who don't or barely make an income from playing out. Final Scratch has allowed a lot of djs I know to sell off large chunks of their record collections so they could make money to buy more records, buy gear, press tracks or even simply pay rent. Selling all your records years ago was considered a sure sign of either retirment or insanity. With Final Scratch, you can make bank and still keep playing. From: Rebekah Farrugia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) final scratch Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 15:23:14 -0600 I remember about 2 years ago there was a week where there was a lot of discussion on the list about final scratch, some ppl liked it, some were totally against it and thought that it was going to have significant effects of the production of vinyl and DJing, etc. Now that the technology has become commonplace and has been widely accepted i'm wondering what ppl think of it now. Have your opinions about it changed now that it is widespread? What kind of an impact do you think it has had? The one you anticipated? i'd also love to hear any other comments about final scratch and its impact over the past few years. thanks, bekka =) _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photospgmarket=en-caRU=http%3a%2f%2fjoi n.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca
Re: (313) final scratch on mac! - FK in Sydney
the sound system at gas (where fk played sat) is absolutely crap. that's why he sounded crap on the eqs and echo/delay. on the vinyl sound system at body and soul, fk's use of the eqs was beyond reproach (which can't be said for joe claussel, he gets a wee bit carried away). anyway, we were there from 2.30 till 5.30 and danced the whole three hours. james I was less than impressed with the night to be honest. Mixing quite ropey at times, however I found from about 3 to 4.30 was the best - left shortly afterwards. Nice to hear tunes like Maurizio's M4.5, Baby Wants to Ride by Frankie Knuckles, Miura by Metro Area and Signals by Microworld. He played very differently to what was heard in Melbourne. Blackwater (vocal mix) by Octave One seems to go down a treat, especially since it's been placed on several Ministry Of Sound compilations (not that it didn't before). Certainly not the best technical skills, and overworked the EQs and echo/delay effects. Further to that, I was dissapointed with his programming as this is what he is reknowned for, but instead of going in one direction, he flailed all over the place, probably in an effort to hold the floor which had many types of punter... and there was that song that was on a TV commercial for Intel... -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net -- http://fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free
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About FS and Traktor...John Tejada told me today that now Tracktor has merged with final scratch and are combining the two in a new concept to be presented this week at Namm (L.A) I think It will be the next big thing ! ...I suppose it will work on Mac too... ...but don't wait for me to sold my vinyls ;-) ! Even better it will run on OSX :) John Tejada is doing a liveset for NI during the NAMM using Traktor.: http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=namm03_us [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, James Bucknell wrote: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? you've burned that many? lks
RE: (313) final scratch recording?
Now if they would just add some recording functionality, it would be a perfect system. Sux you have to have an additional recording device just to record yourself. It'd be nice if something like soundforge was built into this app. Anyone know anything about possible upgrades??
Re: (313) final scratch recording?
with the coming traktor integration, that may happen at the same time since you can already record w/ traktor. - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:04 AM Subject: RE: (313) final scratch recording? Now if they would just add some recording functionality, it would be a perfect system. Sux you have to have an additional recording device just to record yourself. It'd be nice if something like soundforge was built into this app. Anyone know anything about possible upgrades??
Re: (313) final scratch on mac! - FK in Sydney
Benn Glazier said: On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:56:51 -0500, James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? Unless he was running Linux off it. I don't think he was running final scratch at all. The only times I really noticed him touching the tiBook was when he was playing vocal snippets over the top of the music (like the piece of Voodoo Ray over the top of Signals). I was less than impressed with the night to be honest. Mixing quite ropey at times, however I found from about 3 to 4.30 was the best - left shortly afterwards. Nice to hear tunes like Maurizio's M4.5, Baby Wants to Ride by Frankie Knuckles, Jamie Principle actually ;-) Miura by Metro Area and Signals by Microworld. He played very differently to what was heard in Melbourne. Blackwater (vocal mix) by Actually, it was an instrumental mix... Octave One seems to go down a treat, especially since it's been placed on several Ministry Of Sound compilations (not that it didn't before). Certainly not the best technical skills, and overworked the EQs and echo/delay effects. Further to that, I was dissapointed with his Actually I didn't think it was too bad. I've got a small movie of him delaying the crap out of one song into another (some nice sounding funk track)... maybe he did it a little too much though... programming as this is what he is reknowned for, but instead of going in one direction, he flailed all over the place, probably in an effort to hold the floor which had many types of punter... and there was that song that was on a TV commercial for Intel... That'd be Basement Jaxx... Toot!! -- dave.
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About FS and Traktor...John Tejada told me today that now Tracktor has merged with final scratch and are combining the two in a new concept to be presented this week at Namm (L.A) I think It will be the next big thing ! ...I suppose it will work on Mac too... ...but don't wait for me to sold my vinyls ;-) ! Fabrice Lig http://www.multimania.com/fabricelig/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) final scratch on mac! Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 14:50:26 -0800 it's coming very soon, but the likelihood is that what francois was doing was using decks and traktor concurrently. correct, traktor does not incorporate turntables but you can control it with a regular hardware dj mixer. according to hawtin it's impossible that francois was using an osx version of FS just yet. another quasi-possibility is that he was actually using FS but under a full linux distribution on mac hardware. this is at least possible at this point, albeit a pain in the ass. if you were geeky enough to really know your way around linux it could happen -- people have been able to get it to run on linux-only PCs, rather than using the embedded linux install solution that currently comes with FS. it involves plenty of configuration and kernel weirdness however, and i've never heard of anyone trying it on any of the mac-friendly linux distros. On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 02:42 PM, scotto wrote: I dont think traktor uses a turntable as an interface, doesn't it beat match for you. but than again I really want FS to come out for the mac. so do lots of other mac using dj's, I know. I bought a powerbook last year and want to get more use out of it.. scotto lansing, mi. - Original Message - From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch on mac! Could've been Traktor. There's a few dj's who are using it these days. Similar to FS but different. G James Bucknell wrote: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? james _ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://search.msn.fr/worldwide.asp
Re: (313) final scratch on mac! - FK in Sydney
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:25:59 +1100 (EST), David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Benn Glazier said: I was less than impressed with the night to be honest. Mixing quite ropey at times, however I found from about 3 to 4.30 was the best - left shortly afterwards. Nice to hear tunes like Maurizio's M4.5, Baby Wants to Ride by Frankie Knuckles, Jamie Principle actually ;-) Interesting you say this.. As I have a copy of it on FFRR which credits Jamie Principle, and the original (Trax 150 I think) which creds it to Frankie. I'm sure it should be by Frankie with vocals by Jamie. -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net -- http://fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service.
Re: (313) final scratch on mac! - FK in Sydney
Benn Glazier wrote on Sun, 12 Jan 2003 about following: Nice to hear tunes like Maurizio's M4.5, Baby Wants to Ride by Frankie Knuckles, Jamie Principle actually ;-) Interesting you say this.. As I have a copy of it on FFRR which credits Jamie Principle, and the original (Trax 150 I think) which creds it to Frankie. I'm sure it should be by Frankie with vocals by Jamie. many of the old trax releases are credited to frankie when he had little or nothing to do with the music. i'm pretty sure the track was made by jamie and then he gave the tape to frankie who gave it to larry sherman. sakke -- - * time to jack * - http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/music.html
Re: (313) final scratch on mac!
Could've been Traktor. There's a few dj's who are using it these days. Similar to FS but different. G James Bucknell wrote: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? james
Re: (313) final scratch on mac!
I dont think traktor uses a turntable as an interface, doesn't it beat match for you. but than again I really want FS to come out for the mac. so do lots of other mac using dj's, I know. I bought a powerbook last year and want to get more use out of it.. scotto lansing, mi. - Original Message - From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch on mac! Could've been Traktor. There's a few dj's who are using it these days. Similar to FS but different. G James Bucknell wrote: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? james
Re: (313) final scratch on mac!
it's coming very soon, but the likelihood is that what francois was doing was using decks and traktor concurrently. correct, traktor does not incorporate turntables but you can control it with a regular hardware dj mixer. according to hawtin it's impossible that francois was using an osx version of FS just yet. another quasi-possibility is that he was actually using FS but under a full linux distribution on mac hardware. this is at least possible at this point, albeit a pain in the ass. if you were geeky enough to really know your way around linux it could happen -- people have been able to get it to run on linux-only PCs, rather than using the embedded linux install solution that currently comes with FS. it involves plenty of configuration and kernel weirdness however, and i've never heard of anyone trying it on any of the mac-friendly linux distros. On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 02:42 PM, scotto wrote: I dont think traktor uses a turntable as an interface, doesn't it beat match for you. but than again I really want FS to come out for the mac. so do lots of other mac using dj's, I know. I bought a powerbook last year and want to get more use out of it.. scotto lansing, mi. - Original Message - From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) final scratch on mac! Could've been Traktor. There's a few dj's who are using it these days. Similar to FS but different. G James Bucknell wrote: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? james
Re: (313) final scratch on mac! - FK in Sydney
On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:56:51 -0500, James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? Unless he was running Linux off it. I was less than impressed with the night to be honest. Mixing quite ropey at times, however I found from about 3 to 4.30 was the best - left shortly afterwards. Nice to hear tunes like Maurizio's M4.5, Baby Wants to Ride by Frankie Knuckles, Miura by Metro Area and Signals by Microworld. He played very differently to what was heard in Melbourne. Blackwater (vocal mix) by Octave One seems to go down a treat, especially since it's been placed on several Ministry Of Sound compilations (not that it didn't before). Certainly not the best technical skills, and overworked the EQs and echo/delay effects. Further to that, I was dissapointed with his programming as this is what he is reknowned for, but instead of going in one direction, he flailed all over the place, probably in an effort to hold the floor which had many types of punter... and there was that song that was on a TV commercial for Intel... -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net -- http://fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free
Re: (313) final scratch on mac! - FK in Sydney
Final Scratch will be released for MacOS early this year. I'd say he'd be one of the beta testers ;) Peace, Patrick. On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Benn Glazier wrote: On Sun, 12 Jan 2003 01:56:51 -0500, James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: francois k played sydney last night using a titatium powerbook and two turntables. looks like final scratch has been ported for mac osx! so, anybody want to buy a few thousand classic chicago/detroit/new york house and techno records? Unless he was running Linux off it. I was less than impressed with the night to be honest. Mixing quite ropey at times, however I found from about 3 to 4.30 was the best - left shortly afterwards. Nice to hear tunes like Maurizio's M4.5, Baby Wants to Ride by Frankie Knuckles, Miura by Metro Area and Signals by Microworld. He played very differently to what was heard in Melbourne. Blackwater (vocal mix) by Octave One seems to go down a treat, especially since it's been placed on several Ministry Of Sound compilations (not that it didn't before). Certainly not the best technical skills, and overworked the EQs and echo/delay effects. Further to that, I was dissapointed with his programming as this is what he is reknowned for, but instead of going in one direction, he flailed all over the place, probably in an effort to hold the floor which had many types of punter... and there was that song that was on a TV commercial for Intel... -- Benn Glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net http://dj.royaltech.net -- http://fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free -- Southern Outpost - Sydney. Distribution: Twilight 76, Detroit http://www.southernoutpost.com Infiltrating your sound systems. --
RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
nah m8 - read the f/s site forums ... f/s can be run as part of a normal distro (slackware, redhat etc) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2002 20:04 To: logic7; Kookie; scotto; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q not really. it's not a matter of linux-to-PPC linux translation. FS doesn't run on a full linux OS distribution. it's embedded linux, which is like saying an OS only capable of operating one app; it's not a whole OS. windows must be present in order to install and run FS. the embedded linux app creates a virtual partition within windows inside of which all the FS/OS-level stuff takes place. it's conceivably possible to run FS within Virtual PC on the mac, but i doubt it would ever actually work. just be patient and wait for the mac version. it'll be native OSX, rather than a linux/windows work around, so when it finally comes out it should be very solid. comb through the FS message boards on the stanton site. there's tons of info about this. - Original Message - From: logic7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kookie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q In theory, Final Scratch could simply be recompiled for PPC versions of Linux. Then it would work with changes to hardware specific drivers and whatnot. Will they do it? Dunno. It's possible, but not always done. -Original Message- From: Kookie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:34 PM To: scotto; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q If you have Mac X, it has the ability to emulate windows. There is a decent chance that you could run final scratch through the emulation capabilities. - Original Message - From: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new windoze machine ever if I can help it. I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and run FS? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now. -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice.
RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002, logic7 wrote: FS requires a true linux partition, not a virtual one, it adds a bootloader to the MBR so one can boot to either FS/Linux or Windows. It's not an embedded linux either, it's more like a mini distribution. Not so. FS 1.0 installs itself into a ~300MB c:\finalscratch\fsrun.img which it then mounts as the root using the loopback driver from initrd. It's just an image file, not it's own partition. As for getting it to work on the mac, it's extremely unlikely it'd ever work unless they released a mac version, which would be fairly easy for them to do (assumming that the final scratch and recordboxing apps themselves are fairly portable across architechtures). i wouldn't hold my breath, though. -j Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: x736e65616b phone: 130*21*16749 or 877-748-3467
RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
I don't think so as the pc version doesn't run in windows AFAIK but in some sort of linux (which will be an i386 build and so wont work on a mac) :-Original Message- :From: Kookie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:34 PM :To: scotto; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q : :If you have Mac X, it has the ability to emulate windows. There is a :decent :chance that you could run final scratch through the emulation capabilities. :- Original Message - :From: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] :To: 313@hyperreal.org :Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:33 PM :Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q : : : THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new :windoze : machine ever if I can help it. : I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. : unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. : : one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and : run FS? : : scotto : lansing, mi : : - Original Message - : From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org : Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM : Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch : : : From FinalScratch.com : : Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? : : A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There :is : no release date or crossgrade process available yet. : : : -Original Message- : From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM : To: 313@hyperreal.org : Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch : : : when the hell is the mac version coming out? : : scotto : lansing, mi : : - Original Message - : From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org : Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM : Subject: (313) Final Scratch : : : From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... : : Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units : have : arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised :Stanton : Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first :shipment : so : if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on :it, : call your local Stanton stockist now. : : : :
Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new windoze machine ever if I can help it. I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and run FS? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
If you have Mac X, it has the ability to emulate windows. There is a decent chance that you could run final scratch through the emulation capabilities. - Original Message - From: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new windoze machine ever if I can help it. I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and run FS? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
In theory, Final Scratch could simply be recompiled for PPC versions of Linux. Then it would work with changes to hardware specific drivers and whatnot. Will they do it? Dunno. It's possible, but not always done. -Original Message- From: Kookie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:34 PM To: scotto; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q If you have Mac X, it has the ability to emulate windows. There is a decent chance that you could run final scratch through the emulation capabilities. - Original Message - From: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new windoze machine ever if I can help it. I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and run FS? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
not really. it's not a matter of linux-to-PPC linux translation. FS doesn't run on a full linux OS distribution. it's embedded linux, which is like saying an OS only capable of operating one app; it's not a whole OS. windows must be present in order to install and run FS. the embedded linux app creates a virtual partition within windows inside of which all the FS/OS-level stuff takes place. it's conceivably possible to run FS within Virtual PC on the mac, but i doubt it would ever actually work. just be patient and wait for the mac version. it'll be native OSX, rather than a linux/windows work around, so when it finally comes out it should be very solid. comb through the FS message boards on the stanton site. there's tons of info about this. - Original Message - From: logic7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kookie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q In theory, Final Scratch could simply be recompiled for PPC versions of Linux. Then it would work with changes to hardware specific drivers and whatnot. Will they do it? Dunno. It's possible, but not always done. -Original Message- From: Kookie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:34 PM To: scotto; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q If you have Mac X, it has the ability to emulate windows. There is a decent chance that you could run final scratch through the emulation capabilities. - Original Message - From: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new windoze machine ever if I can help it. I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and run FS? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
FS requires a true linux partition, not a virtual one, it adds a bootloader to the MBR so one can boot to either FS/Linux or Windows. It's not an embedded linux either, it's more like a mini distribution. With this in mind, it could be possible to run it with VirtualPC, but the performance would be horrible. Oh, the linux thing is more than a workaround, considering that one can sustain 1ms of audio latency under linux., If they have it working like this for the PC, they can do the same with a mac (Linux PPC would work the same way, on it's own partition). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 3:04 PM To: logic7; Kookie; scotto; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q not really. it's not a matter of linux-to-PPC linux translation. FS doesn't run on a full linux OS distribution. it's embedded linux, which is like saying an OS only capable of operating one app; it's not a whole OS. windows must be present in order to install and run FS. the embedded linux app creates a virtual partition within windows inside of which all the FS/OS-level stuff takes place. it's conceivably possible to run FS within Virtual PC on the mac, but i doubt it would ever actually work. just be patient and wait for the mac version. it'll be native OSX, rather than a linux/windows work around, so when it finally comes out it should be very solid. comb through the FS message boards on the stanton site. there's tons of info about this. - Original Message - From: logic7 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kookie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q In theory, Final Scratch could simply be recompiled for PPC versions of Linux. Then it would work with changes to hardware specific drivers and whatnot. Will they do it? Dunno. It's possible, but not always done. -Original Message- From: Kookie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:34 PM To: scotto; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q If you have Mac X, it has the ability to emulate windows. There is a decent chance that you could run final scratch through the emulation capabilities. - Original Message - From: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new windoze machine ever if I can help it. I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and run FS? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
RE: (313) Final Scratch mac Q
True that. But FS runs on linux (not windows) -Original Message- From: Kookie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:34 PM To: scotto; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q If you have Mac X, it has the ability to emulate windows. There is a decent chance that you could run final scratch through the emulation capabilities. - Original Message - From: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 2:33 PM Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch mac Q THAT SUX. I just bought a new mac laptop and I'm not getting a new windoze machine ever if I can help it. I seem to remember them saying somethng about this fall. unix and lynix are not that different from my understanding. one question, for the lynix geeks, could you load lynix on to the mac and run FS? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: RE: (313) Final Scratch From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
Re: (313) Final Scratch
when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
RE: (313) Final Scratch
From FinalScratch.com Q) Will there be a Macintosh version of FinalScratch? A) We are currently developing a MAC OS X verison of Final Scratch. There is no release date or crossgrade process available yet. -Original Message- From: scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:29 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Final Scratch when the hell is the mac version coming out? scotto lansing, mi - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: (313) Final Scratch From my 'Business Development Specialist' source at Jands Electronics... Yup, the first stocks of C-Tick Australia Approved Final Scratch units have arrived and are in the process of being shipped out to Authorised Stanton Stockists. There are only very limited numbers of in this first shipment so if you want to be one of the first Australian DJs to get your hands on it, call your local Stanton stockist now.
Re: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
- Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune This is something I'd not considered before. When Magda used it Saturday she often seemed to be looking at it a lot more intently than I would've thought necessary to just find a track, but if you can't see 'indicators' on the vinyl, that waveform display would be pretty crucial. I'm sure this wouldn't take too long to adapt to, unless you scratch a lot and have your records marked with stickers, etc. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
had to look for myself... never saw it as a reality http://www.finalscratch.com/ from:Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] date:Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:49:55 to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org subject: Re: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... - Original Message - From: Langsman, Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune This is something I'd not considered before. When Magda used it Saturday she often seemed to be looking at it a lot more intently than I would've thought necessary to just find a track, but if you can't see 'indicators' on the vinyl, that waveform display would be pretty crucial. I'm sure this wouldn't take too long to adapt to, unless you scratch a lot and have your records marked with stickers, etc. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÇöüñtërpöïñT http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all_tracks/ ÇöüñtërpöïñT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
by this report and like all reports I am starting to really admire the FS and its potential..cheers Marc for this :) -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2002 10:31 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... I went to the Plasa light/sound show in london the other week and finally got a chance to roadtest F/S on the uk distributor of stanton's stand :] I was thoroughly impressed and I would say it is very difficult to fault - I gave it some solid scratching + crabbing and it held up fine as well as skipping the needle about, spinbacks etc etc. The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune and its not too difficult to skip to a break etc. The 'record box' functionality is quite nice - they had house/hip-hop/breaks/etc boxes set up on F1-F9 keys. After I'd finished dribbling all over it I had a chat to some guys on the stand...from what they were saying it sounds like u need a Linux partition on your laptop/pc but they give you a distribution in the box [not sure why they couldnt have F/S on a bootable linux CD as that would be way less hassle]. I think UK retail is between 450-500GBP. They were running it off a compaq presario notebook [not sure what spec] but the guy said anything around the 500mhz mark should do the trick. Spare records are gonna be around the 15GBP mark too. in summary.*I WANT ONE!!* :] peace, Marc -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested...
I have to say that it was everything I was hoping for - and is now officialy the no.1 item on my xmas shopping list!! - looks like I'll be spending the holiday break sampling in some 2000 records tho :[ -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 10:29 AM To: Langsman, Marc; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... by this report and like all reports I am starting to really admire the FS and its potential..cheers Marc for this :) -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2002 10:31 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] FiNal ScrAtch - finally roadtested... I went to the Plasa light/sound show in london the other week and finally got a chance to roadtest F/S on the uk distributor of stanton's stand :] I was thoroughly impressed and I would say it is very difficult to fault - I gave it some solid scratching + crabbing and it held up fine as well as skipping the needle about, spinbacks etc etc. The software is pretty good too - you can see a waveform of the tune and its not too difficult to skip to a break etc. The 'record box' functionality is quite nice - they had house/hip-hop/breaks/etc boxes set up on F1-F9 keys. After I'd finished dribbling all over it I had a chat to some guys on the stand...from what they were saying it sounds like u need a Linux partition on your laptop/pc but they give you a distribution in the box [not sure why they couldnt have F/S on a bootable linux CD as that would be way less hassle]. I think UK retail is between 450-500GBP. They were running it off a compaq presario notebook [not sure what spec] but the guy said anything around the 500mhz mark should do the trick. Spare records are gonna be around the 15GBP mark too. in summary.*I WANT ONE!!* :] peace, Marc --- - -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts...
I'd still be more than happy to buy new vinyl, but I could sample it and then keep the originals in minty condition stashed away somewhere. I guess if this really takes off then eventually record pressing will become a thing of the past and labels might start punting mp3 online. Im just thinking of the all sh1t you just can't get hold of on vinyl but would take you 5 mins to get hold of on mp3 ! hmm I might finally aquite that utopian record collection :] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? Something that everyone needs to think about Now instead of copying cds... we will be able to copy vinyl. I thought that at least the producers of dance music who only pressed vinyl were safe. Now all someone has to do is go buy a track and post it on kazaa... That scares me somehow Hopefully the users of final scratch will actually be PAYING for the music they mix and not ripping it off kazaa. just a thought ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all tracks/ ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts...
And knowing people that run small label that can only afford to press around 500 copies of a release I'm sure they'd be more than happy that their release could reach a much larger audience. :-Original Message- :From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:43 PM :To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... : : :I'd still be more than happy to buy new vinyl, but I could sample it and :then keep the originals in minty condition stashed away somewhere. I guess :if this really takes off then eventually record pressing will become a :thing :of the past and labels might start punting mp3 online. : :Im just thinking of the all sh1t you just can't get hold of on vinyl but :would take you 5 mins to get hold of on mp3 ! :hmm I might finally aquite that utopian record collection :] : :-Original Message- :From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:01 PM :To: 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... : : : :??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? : :Something that everyone needs to think about : :Now instead of copying cds... we will be able to copy vinyl. :I thought that at least the producers of dance music who only :pressed vinyl were safe. Now all someone has to do is go buy :a track and post it on kazaa... : :That scares me somehow Hopefully the users of final :scratch will actually be PAYING for the music they mix and not :ripping it off kazaa. : :just a thought : :??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? : : : : :??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? :http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all tracks/ :??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : :--- :--- :This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the :designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient :of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, :distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This :communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded :as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial :product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official :statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to :be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this :information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as :such. All information is subject to change without notice. : : : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Its just a question of copyright. You still had to pay for vinyl. I feel bad (kinda) but I cant remember the last CD I actually paid for besides moby (bad joke) Wrom: MHVIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPTCXLYRWT date:Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:47:15 to: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... And knowing people that run small label that can only afford to press around 500 copies of a release I'm sure they'd be more than happy that their release could reach a much larger audience. :-Original Message- :Wrom: QTIPWIGYOKSTTZRCLBDXRQBGJSNBOHMKHJYFMYXOEAIJ :Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:43 PM :To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... : : :I'd still be more than happy to buy new vinyl, but I could sample it and :then keep the originals in minty condition stashed away somewhere. I guess :if this really takes off then eventually record pressing will become a :thing :of the past and labels might start punting mp3 online. : :Im just thinking of the all sh1t you just can't get hold of on vinyl but :would take you 5 mins to get hold of on mp3 ! :hmm I might finally aquite that utopian record collection :] : :-Original Message- :Wrom: JPHSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQ :[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:01 PM :To: 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... : : : :??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? : :Something that everyone needs to think about : :Now instead of copying cds... we will be able to copy vinyl. :I thought that at least the producers of dance music who only :pressed vinyl were safe. Now all someone has to do is go buy :a track and post it on kazaa... : :That scares me somehow Hopefully the users of final :scratch will actually be PAYING for the music they mix and not :ripping it off kazaa. : :just a thought : :??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? : : : : :??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? :http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all tracks/ :??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : :--- :--- :This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the :designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient :of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, :distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This :communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded :as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial :product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official :statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to :be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this :information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as :such. All information is subject to change without notice. : : : :- :To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ÇöüñtërpöïñT http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all_tracks/ ÇöüñtërpöïñT - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts...
I don't think pressing vinyl will totally become a part of the past...after all they still have to press the controller vinyl for FS. It IS a more cost effective solution to djing...not to mention the weight factor when traveling. Plus you could drop your own tracks, convert them to mp3 and BAM!...play them 10min. later! THAT right there is worth the $500. No more dub plates costing astronomical amounts too. -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:43 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... I'd still be more than happy to buy new vinyl, but I could sample it and then keep the originals in minty condition stashed away somewhere. I guess if this really takes off then eventually record pressing will become a thing of the past and labels might start punting mp3 online. Im just thinking of the all sh1t you just can't get hold of on vinyl but would take you 5 mins to get hold of on mp3 ! hmm I might finally aquite that utopian record collection :] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? Something that everyone needs to think about Now instead of copying cds... we will be able to copy vinyl. I thought that at least the producers of dance music who only pressed vinyl were safe. Now all someone has to do is go buy a track and post it on kazaa... That scares me somehow Hopefully the users of final scratch will actually be PAYING for the music they mix and not ripping it off kazaa. just a thought ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all tracks/ ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are currently trading groups on IRC that record their vinyl to mp3. This has been happening for years. The majority of these groups don't post their material to P2P apps, even though some does get out. In my opinion, it has been a nice way to get everything while only being able to shell out x amount for records each month. Maybe some of the electronic music artists will wise up and start selling mp3s? Or better yet, offer truncated tracks for free, and sell the full version for a minimal, yet fair price. -m Now instead of copying cds... we will be able to copy vinyl. I thought that at least the producers of dance music who only pressed vinyl were safe. Now all someone has to do is go buy a track and post it on kazaa... That scares me somehow Hopefully the users of final scratch will actually be PAYING for the music they mix and not ripping it off kazaa. just a thought rp???T?? ??t?rp???T?? http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all_tracks/ ??t?rp???T?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maybe. If you can sell all 500 copies! On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Neil Wallace wrote: And knowing people that run small label that can only afford to press around 500 copies of a release I'm sure they'd be more than happy that their release could reach a much larger audience. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts...
I probably wouldnt bother buying any more scratch/breaks records either - making your own by knocking together samples and encoding them would be quality. You could even batch simialr sounds on the same mp3 and categorize them [crazy vocal, orchestral hits, wooshing type sounds etc]. It would be great for taking samples of films/tv etc too and be able to scratch them 10mins later :] -Original Message- From: Darren Longton (Merch) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:20 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... I don't think pressing vinyl will totally become a part of the past...after all they still have to press the controller vinyl for FS. It IS a more cost effective solution to djing...not to mention the weight factor when traveling. Plus you could drop your own tracks, convert them to mp3 and BAM!...play them 10min. later! THAT right there is worth the $500. No more dub plates costing astronomical amounts too. -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:43 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... I'd still be more than happy to buy new vinyl, but I could sample it and then keep the originals in minty condition stashed away somewhere. I guess if this really takes off then eventually record pressing will become a thing of the past and labels might start punting mp3 online. Im just thinking of the all sh1t you just can't get hold of on vinyl but would take you 5 mins to get hold of on mp3 ! hmm I might finally aquite that utopian record collection :] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? Something that everyone needs to think about Now instead of copying cds... we will be able to copy vinyl. I thought that at least the producers of dance music who only pressed vinyl were safe. Now all someone has to do is go buy a track and post it on kazaa... That scares me somehow Hopefully the users of final scratch will actually be PAYING for the music they mix and not ripping it off kazaa. just a thought ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all tracks/ ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts...
Excellent point/idea. Not only can you have a complete studio without buying all the hardware now, but also a production facility. With that, all you'll need is a mini dat for sampling while out of the house. I think we all should buy some stock in Stanton! ;) -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:48 AM To: Darren Longton (Merch); 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... I probably wouldnt bother buying any more scratch/breaks records either - making your own by knocking together samples and encoding them would be quality. You could even batch simialr sounds on the same mp3 and categorize them [crazy vocal, orchestral hits, wooshing type sounds etc]. It would be great for taking samples of films/tv etc too and be able to scratch them 10mins later :] -Original Message- From: Darren Longton (Merch) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:20 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... I don't think pressing vinyl will totally become a part of the past...after all they still have to press the controller vinyl for FS. It IS a more cost effective solution to djing...not to mention the weight factor when traveling. Plus you could drop your own tracks, convert them to mp3 and BAM!...play them 10min. later! THAT right there is worth the $500. No more dub plates costing astronomical amounts too. -Original Message- From: Langsman, Marc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 7:43 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... I'd still be more than happy to buy new vinyl, but I could sample it and then keep the originals in minty condition stashed away somewhere. I guess if this really takes off then eventually record pressing will become a thing of the past and labels might start punting mp3 online. Im just thinking of the all sh1t you just can't get hold of on vinyl but would take you 5 mins to get hold of on mp3 ! hmm I might finally aquite that utopian record collection :] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 12:01 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? Something that everyone needs to think about Now instead of copying cds... we will be able to copy vinyl. I thought that at least the producers of dance music who only pressed vinyl were safe. Now all someone has to do is go buy a track and post it on kazaa... That scares me somehow Hopefully the users of final scratch will actually be PAYING for the music they mix and not ripping it off kazaa. just a thought ??Çöüñ?ërpöïñT?? ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? http://stage.vitaminic.com/main/counterpoint/all tracks/ ??ÇöüñtërpöïñT?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- --- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free
RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts...
Well its also a case of the fact that they generally have much more material than they can afford to release and so these tracks could be given an mp3 only release (whether for a nominal fee or for free) I think using this technology as a positive promotional tool for small labels will be cool - they get to release as much stuff as they want and can make a name for themselves based on the strength of their material rather than the quality of their distribution or how well they manage to get their releases promoted. lots of people who think of themselves as underground music anarchists try and justify the whole thing to themselves by saying its only britney spears and the five majors that suffer. that's bulls***t. well ive certainly seen a number of small labels who either: a) encourage people to download their stuff as a 'try before you buy' thing. b) do not mind that there are people who download and then don't buy. I guess the reason behind this is these people are music fans rather than business people and they realise most of the people who listen to their stuff are music fans too - they buy as much as they can afford but they cant afford everything. :-Original Message- :From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 1:48 PM :To: Neil Wallace :Cc: 'Langsman, Marc'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: RE: [313] Final Scratch - thoughts... : :Maybe. If you can sell all 500 copies! : :On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Neil Wallace wrote: : : And knowing people that run small label that can only afford to press : around 500 copies of a release I'm sure they'd be more than happy that : their release could reach a much larger audience. : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well ive certainly seen a number of small labels who either: a) encourage people to download their stuff as a 'try before you buy' thing. b) do not mind that there are people who download and then don't buy. I guess the reason behind this is these people are music fans rather than business people and they realise most of the people who listen to their stuff are music fans too - they buy as much as they can afford but they cant afford everything. there's no doubt that's true. i'd suggest they are a small minority - this kind of altruistic behaviour is great - unfortunately not that pervasive ... a small number of labels have made this choice. perhaps one should think about the number of labels/composers/producers that have had this choice made for them - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MikeD wrote on Thu, 19 Sep 2002 about following: There are currently trading groups on IRC that record their vinyl to mp3. This has been happening for years. The majority of these groups i've heard some of these releases, many of them skip, have bad scratches, sound quiet.. but i do record vinyl to digital format for my own listening pleasure. i tend to remove noise rumble, scratches and stuff and remaster the tracks for louder volume, as well as EQ them a bit. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for example, Delsin's new compilation, or one of the new submerge CD's from a napster type site is very very wrong, it's like stealing in my opinion. That is stealing. I don't think Neil was advocating this, his point remains that if a small label wants people to take their music and play it out then final scratch offers great benefits. As it stands if you want to get your record played by a DJ, you have to spend money producing the record then send it out to them in the hope they'll play it. With final scratch it lets you do it the other way round, it basically replaces the dub plate. If DJ's like the track and everyone wants to play it you can release your next track on vinyl - not on mp3. I do agree though, I don't think many people will be willing to buy the vinyl if they already have the mp3 and final scratch. double edged sword really ps. but I would like one -- Mike - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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i tend to remove noise rumble, scratches and stuff and remaster the tracks for louder volume, as well as EQ them a bit. sakke I already knew I was off the scale on my lack of knowledge of audio technology but that just rams it home. Just out of curiousity can I ask how you do that? (Pls keep it simple for a tech-dumbo). Thx. k - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I can see some benefits for small labels to Final Scratch amongst the many questions it raises. One thing that any small independent label wants is as many DJs spinning thier releases as possible. The costs involved of mailing out x number of promo copies to DJs who you will more than likley never know if they recieved it and listened to it, let alone played it are usually an expense that small labels can only afford on a small scale. If Final Scratch took off in the clubs you could get out your new release to as many DJs as you wanted. In fact you could make it downloadable for DJs and even monitor how many and possbly who has taken the tracks. I think it will be a while before Final Scratch or anything like it becomes the standard home mixing kit. I think it'll have to really take off in the clubs first, which means the majority of people are still gonna be wanting to buy vinyl. If Final Scratch technology does eventually start to oversee the death of vinyl however then I think there could be problems. Even if record labels start getting savvy to marketing MP3s, I just cant see enough honest people out there who would pay for something they could take for free. I personally don't download music. Its a collectors thing, I'd rather have the vinyl in my hands. However I dont feel half as strongly about CDs and would feel even less strongly if the collectable product was just a file on your PC. Given the choice between paying hard earned cash for a file on your PC or getting exactly the same file for free, well I cant see many people reaching for thier credit cards. Maybe I'm looking far too ahead too early, but I definatly think things will change in the future and people need to be prepared. Inceidently it would be interesting to know where Richie Hawtin gets the MP3s he's used in his sets. Has he actually sat down and taken the time to encode his whole record collection? ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
