Re: [AFMUG] Experience with Sandvine and or other DPI network appliances
Jason, I am new to posting here. I cannot seem to see your direct email address, please email me at s...@webformix.com so I can respond back. Our Sandvine stuff was a bit more expensive than the Procera and Allot options that ran around 30-35k but not too much. The support contract is the killer though. You have to have the support contract for the updated definitions and the yarly contract is 4k with Sandvine. Procera and Allot are about the same. Sandvine definition updates are once a month. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What's pricing like on the sandvine stuff? Or is that a if you have to ask kind of question? On Tuesday, October 28, 2014, Stu Thom via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are a 1500 customer WISP that has been using Sandvine for the past year for DPI and traffic prioritization. This has allowed us to change to a different business model selling services instead of Mbps. These are our residential tiers: http://www.webformix.com/residential-services/ This is our fairshare policy: http://www.webformix.com/fairshare-policy/ While is a bit of a vague post, any thoughts? Is anyone else running DPI boxes? I have seen the name Procera come up on the list and we did speak with them a bit when looking around at this project. Migrating customers from Mbps to our new tiers has been a long road, but we have had very positive results internally and from our customers. A very small handful of cancellations. 2-3 maybe?
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
... also, I dont know if any have noticed. I have the spelling and grammar of a two year old of late, thats a side effect of medication Im on for me not to be stabbing people, I apologize if it gets confusing and I forget the spellchecker On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature
Steve, Yes, we are considering doing a point release to 2.3 to add this support. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Anyone know when Cambium is going to add a management IP address for ePMP when configured to run NAT/PPPoE. The lack of management IP is really getting to be a PIA. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Focus ring? Attachment method?
Yes 450 only — Sent from Mailbox On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:45 AM, TJ Trout via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is the focus ring a 450 only product? Epmp? On Oct 28, 2014 7:50 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The old ones (with the screw in the back) needed some double-stick tape to hold them in place. We found they wanted to twist or ride up like cheap undershorts. The new ones (without the screw) seem to fit pretty snuggly. We still put some double stick (outdoor flavor) under the tab at the top. The ones we've re-visited seem to be staying on. bp On 10/28/2014 3:35 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Are you supposed to add some kind of adhesive to keep the focus ring from blowing off? *-Peter*
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP
Been away from email for a few days. Just getting back to responding now. One could always connect the GPS Sync AP radio to the Force dish and have a GPS Sync’ed PTP radio. That is supported. We do not at this time plan to offer a bundled solution that provides that. Latency is higher when you use GPS Sync as opposed to the Flexible Mode of operation. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 3:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Will there be an option to use the GPS sync with the PTP110? If so what kind of latency will we get? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:56 PM, John Butler via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Hi George: I want to clear up your questions about the Force product. The Force 110 (C058900C042A (FCC)) is as the spec sheet describes - a radio module and the dish. You can buy the radio and the dish separately, but when you buy them bundle as the Force, the price is better. We do not offer a radome for it at this time. The Force 110 PTP is the same dish, but bundled with the radio that we also use for the GPS Sync AP. The GPS is turned off. The benefit of this radio over the Force 110 is the 802.3af compliant gigabit Ethernet port. Regards, John Butler From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 6:11 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP So the 110 PTP uses the GPS radio, or is it a different radio with sync over power only and no on-board GPS? I thought I remember reading that, but I could be totally wrong. A distro rep just told us today that the Force 110 is due in Thrusday or Friday. I have a couple links I want to do with these instead of UBNT. If the 110 won't be available for 3-4 weeks, that's going to suck. And all the complaints about assembly of the Force 100, so I don't want to go there. And the distro's seem to be confused about the parts. The Force 110 spec sheet says: C058900C042A (FCC) – consists of a ePMP Radio Module [C058900A122A/C058900P122A] and ePMP Dish Antenna [C050900D007B].. and the rep said that's only the dish, the radio is extra. I find that hard to believe. And now I'm confused too. Oh, and do these things come with a radome? That would be nice, but I'm guessing no. On 10/21/2014 6:00 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: Ah, I didn't realize there was a 110 and a 110 PTP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: John Butler via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 5:57:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Hi Alan: The Force 110 (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Unsync Radio (fast Ethernet port) is due to ship from our channel partners in early November. The Force 110 PTP (which is the new 25 dBi dish) and the Connectorized Radio with the Gigabit ethernet port is due to ship from our channel partners in December. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Alan West via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:39 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 110PTP Guess not. I am so ready for a replacement for these Force 100 units. On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:11 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Are these things shipping yet?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature
Thanks, Steve _ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sriram Chaturvedi via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Steve, Yes, we are considering doing a point release to 2.3 to add this support. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Anyone know when Cambium is going to add a management IP address for ePMP when configured to run NAT/PPPoE. The lack of management IP is really getting to be a PIA. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature
The sooner the better! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Steve, Yes, we are considering doing a point release to 2.3 to add this support. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Anyone know when Cambium is going to add a management IP address for ePMP when configured to run NAT/PPPoE. The lack of management IP is really getting to be a PIA. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com mailto:jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com ]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Depends – is speed measured by latency or capacity *ducks* Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Eric Kuhnke via Af mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- tel:510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
I don't have the calcs handy atm but it was calculated 5x9 at 2048QAM. Short link though, 3.5 miles with 3'/4' dishes, RSL low 30's. Quite aware of how quick 2048 will drop down, and 80mhz channels would have given more wiggle room to drop rates and still maintain 1Gbps but there was a time crunch for the project and the 60mhz heads were in stock. Even at 256QAM the throughput is adequate *for this particular application* if the fade is worse than calcs. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Honestly couldn't tell you, that's not my side of the house. The only numbers I saw included all the integration and such. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: General price? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Caleb Knauer via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- tel:510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature
+1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature The sooner the better! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Sriram Chaturvedi via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45:04 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Steve, Yes, we are considering doing a point release to 2.3 to add this support. Thanks, Sriram From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP feature Anyone know when Cambium is going to add a management IP address for ePMP when configured to run NAT/PPPoE. The lack of management IP is really getting to be a PIA. Steve B.
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
If you want to mount a 4' dish on a non-pen mount use a Rohn BRM6 (http://www.rohnnet.com/filedownload/downloadfile/fileid/47/filenum/0/src/@random4a720ea8974f5). I prefer the BRM64510M so I can put the dish at whatever height I want. I have a 4' HP and a 3' HP dish on one of these with about 1500lbs of ballast. Yes thats a LOT of cinder blocks. Been there for years without missing a beat. I like running a 6 gauge ground wire from the mount to the building ground. We don't have grain anything in the forest so I don't know what kind of grounding might already be available for you. But usually there will be a ground rod sunk somewhere. Just run a massive ground wire to it and ground everything else to that. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:24 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com mailto:jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
Steve you are truly one of my favorite people. Keep on keepin' on. -Ty On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:20 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ... also, I dont know if any have noticed. I have the spelling and grammar of a two year old of late, thats a side effect of medication Im on for me not to be stabbing people, I apologize if it gets confusing and I forget the spellchecker On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com ]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's
The other schools in the area have them. Like Mike stated none have had anything bad to say nor anything good to say. The district went to all chrome books and they are saturating their AP's (my guess from the symptoms he was describing). Unfortunately they use a consultant group for their E-Rate RFQ's and we can't talk to the school directly without our bid being rejected. Because the RFQ names those AP's I don't think we can bid any other products but the project as a whole is to re-wire a couple of buildings, move the infrastructure to Gige and place the AP's. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's Usually when a bid goes out for specific equipment through a local bid, either they already have some or the fix is in. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Super WISP via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:26 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's Robert, If they are open to other products, we can offer you Ruckus, HP, or Aruba. Mark Chamerlik WAVR, Inc From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Haas via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's We have a local school district that put out a RFQ for Aerohive AP's: http://www.aerohive.com/ Anyone ever worked with these before? I've not heard of them until now. This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's
Thanks Jaime. I’m not sure what they are using right now although I did see a few UBNT poe bricks scattered about. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 9:35 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's We tested them along with Meraki at district last year. Didnt impress enough to replace PicoStation HPs. .. not sure if they have improved. Jaime Solorza On Oct 28, 2014 2:39 PM, Robert Haas via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We have a local school district that put out a RFQ for Aerohive AP’s: http://www.aerohive.com/ Anyone ever worked with these before? I’ve not heard of them until now.
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
Just say on the meds, for the love of God, stay on the meds... From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting ... also, I dont know if any have noticed. I have the spelling and grammar of a two year old of late, thats a side effect of medication Im on for me not to be stabbing people, I apologize if it gets confusing and I forget the spellchecker On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
What do these cost you? -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting If you want to mount a 4' dish on a non-pen mount use a Rohn BRM6 (http://www.rohnnet.com/filedownload/downloadfile/fileid/47/filenum/0/src/@random4a720ea8974f5). I prefer the BRM64510M so I can put the dish at whatever height I want. I have a 4' HP and a 3' HP dish on one of these with about 1500lbs of ballast. Yes thats a LOT of cinder blocks. Been there for years without missing a beat. I like running a 6 gauge ground wire from the mount to the building ground. We don't have grain anything in the forest so I don't know what kind of grounding might already be available for you. But usually there will be a ground rod sunk somewhere. Just run a massive ground wire to it and ground everything else to that. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:24 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com mailto:jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's
Gotch ya Robert. That does happen quite often with the schools only going one way with a certain vendor and not looking at other alternatives. Ruckus would be a good fit since it excels in high density situations like this, where they have a bunch of Chromebooks connecting at the same time. Mark Chamerlik WAV(r), Inc Strategic Account Manager East Coast 630-818-1004 Direct From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Haas via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's The other schools in the area have them. Like Mike stated none have had anything bad to say nor anything good to say. The district went to all chrome books and they are saturating their AP's (my guess from the symptoms he was describing). Unfortunately they use a consultant group for their E-Rate RFQ's and we can't talk to the school directly without our bid being rejected. Because the RFQ names those AP's I don't think we can bid any other products but the project as a whole is to re-wire a couple of buildings, move the infrastructure to Gige and place the AP's. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 4:29 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's Usually when a bid goes out for specific equipment through a local bid, either they already have some or the fix is in. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Super WISP via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:26 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's Robert, If they are open to other products, we can offer you Ruckus, HP, or Aruba. Mark Chamerlik WAV(r), Inc From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Haas via Af Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Aerohive AP's We have a local school district that put out a RFQ for Aerohive AP's: http://www.aerohive.com/ Anyone ever worked with these before? I've not heard of them until now. This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000. This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
I checked our PO database and discovered I linked the wrong one. I use the BRM4 (http://www.rohnnet.com/filedownload/downloadfile/fileid/46/filenum/0/src/@random4a720e6be1bdd). Model: BRM44510 which has a 10ft 4.5 mast. Cost from Tessco is about $1000. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 06:57 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: What do these cost you? -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 7:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting If you want to mount a 4' dish on a non-pen mount use a Rohn BRM6 (http://www.rohnnet.com/filedownload/downloadfile/fileid/47/filenum/0/src/@random4a720ea8974f5). I prefer the BRM64510M so I can put the dish at whatever height I want. I have a 4' HP and a 3' HP dish on one of these with about 1500lbs of ballast. Yes thats a LOT of cinder blocks. Been there for years without missing a beat. I like running a 6 gauge ground wire from the mount to the building ground. We don't have grain anything in the forest so I don't know what kind of grounding might already be available for you. But usually there will be a ground rod sunk somewhere. Just run a massive ground wire to it and ground everything else to that. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:24 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com mailto:jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
A question on your list: Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the Ceragon variant? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
my network runs at the speed of light 186,282 miles per second ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Depends – is speed measured by latency or capacity **ducks** [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
I’m going to second paperless. We just use google drive with a folder for open sales orders and a folder for completed sales orders. In the office, we just save new sales orders to the open folder. Tech opens them on an iPad mini, has the customer sign them, and saves them to completed. WAY easier then trying to track down paper and then file it. Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS On Oct 29, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Jason Pond via Af af@afmug.com wrote: So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
On 10/29/14, 10:41, CARL PETERSON via Af wrote: I�m going to second paperless. We just use google drive with a folder for open sales orders and a folder for completed sales orders. In the office, we just save new sales orders to the open folder. Tech opens them on an iPad mini, has the customer sign them, and saves them to completed. WAY easier then trying to track down paper and then file it. My signature on a screen with my finger looks nothing like my actual signature. Does anyone know how that difference holds up if challenged? ~Seth
[AFMUG] PTP450
Anyone using the PTP450 in 5.8GHZ? What king of throughput are you getting? Same range as PTP230?
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
At the risk of getting my testicals chopped off, I’d recommend wall mounting if you can. SBWM-412 from Sitepro is $150 and the HWK58 for mounting is ~$30. Throw in 6’ 0f 4-1/2” pipe for $160 and your looking at a solid mount for $340 that takes less time to install then it would take to lug the concrete up to secure a non-pen with a 4-1/2” pipe on it. If you need to use a non-pen, Id use: http://sitepro1.com/resources/pdf/assembly-drawings/TRPD-HD%20(Assembly).pdf with a 4-1/2” pipe. Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That has got to be one of the best e-mails I have read in a long time :-) Commscope makes a nice option for a large non-pen mast – but I’d steer away from anything with less than a 4” OD mast for a 4ft antenna. Rohn makes a similar one, and Baird has a few options. image001.jpg Daniel White | Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite E-mail: daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:25 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
in 2000 president Clinton signed the Electronic Signature Act which in the US (many other countries have followed suit) makes a digital click as legally binding as your scribbled John Hancock On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/29/14, 10:41, CARL PETERSON via Af wrote: I�m going to second paperless. We just use google drive with a folder for open sales orders and a folder for completed sales orders. In the office, we just save new sales orders to the open folder. Tech opens them on an iPad mini, has the customer sign them, and saves them to completed. WAY easier then trying to track down paper and then file it. My signature on a screen with my finger looks nothing like my actual signature. Does anyone know how that difference holds up if challenged? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Those are real radios that Matts referring too, not little 5 mile toys On Oct 29, 2014 10:44 AM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: my network runs at the speed of light 186,282 miles per second ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:34 AM, Daniel White via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Depends – is speed measured by latency or capacity **ducks** [image: cid:image001.jpg@01CE2975.BD4B6370] *Daniel White* | Managing Director *SAF North America LLC* *Cell:* (303) 746-3590 *Skype:* danieldwhite *E-mail:* daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links lately, which is the best bargain? *Peter Kranz *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/ Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting
+1 on the meds. Steve, if you ever leave this list, I will have a lot fewer coffee stains to clean off my monitor... bp On 10/29/2014 6:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Just say on the meds, for the love of God, stay on the meds... *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:20 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] first approved licensed link mounting ... also, I dont know if any have noticed. I have the spelling and grammar of a two year old of late, thats a side effect of medication Im on for me not to be stabbing people, I apologize if it gets confusing and I forget the spellchecker On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:24 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I have two goals, mounting the bastard and grounding the bastard If you knew the volume of fecal matter I have had to ea tot get this achieved you would understand my very short fuse about dealing with dickheads like me that I have. I need to first mount this thing. Its likely to be a SAF link, and thats that. Im going to take a moment to say that regardless of what this final project ends up being, if you want one hell of a sales guy to work with, Jerrod from Moonblink(Jarrod Washington [jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com mailto:jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com]) is the shit, if you badmouth him, I will come to your house, I will castrate you, I will fry your man parts in olive oil, give them a slight garlic and rosemary seasoning and serve them to you over some white rice with a cane vinegar brandy. I float out told this guy that after he did all the work, my bosses would likely flat out price shop his parts list. He didnt blink and kept on doing his thing. If my daughter was old enough, Id marry her to him. In a perfect world, both sites will be non penetrating mounts. One side is 3' the other 4'. The side that wiull have the 4' hast the option of being mounted on a set of 25g we have running up the wall. The problem is the wall mount is currently only secured every 20' with a 2 deep concrete anchor, Im pretty sure this wont be sufficient for a 4' antenna (currently we only mount 2' parabolics to it) We have the option to plow through the wall with plates, but if we go to that expenses we might as well go to a full non pen for a 4 antenna at the top. Any advice on a non pen mount that can support a 4 parabolic? This side we can do pretty much whatever, but still want the smallest footprint. The other side, for non pen, our partner claims to have an 8' x 8' footprint mount, the best I ever specced was 10x10 so Im suspiscious. Both sites are grain elevators. Im looking for the minimum grounding to achieve a respectable level of protection. If you send me an NEC link, you have no value to me, Im not asking because I already know the NEC spec and just want to brag about my testicles. I just want a rough Idea of what it would take to get to a point where with factory spec installation of a Lumina I can meet the minimum ground/bond at an elevator and grow from there. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
There are a large number of possible software licenses available for these platforms that can really move the price around. Some are needed, others unlikely for most of our applications. Hard to compare like for like without a side by side BOM comparison. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's my current understanding. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats. bp On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: A question on your list: Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the Ceragon variant? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
$1500 - $2500 a month is a competitive range. On 10/29/2014 1:57 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives.
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Nothing is more rage inducing than the term software license Sent from my portable confuser On Oct 29, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: There are a large number of possible software licenses available for these platforms that can really move the price around. Some are needed, others unlikely for most of our applications. Hard to compare like for like without a side by side BOM comparison. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's my current understanding. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats. bp On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: A question on your list: Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the Ceragon variant? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Focus ring? Attachment method?
What part number are you talking about? I've never heard of a focus ring. --danp On 10/28/2014 04:35 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Are you supposed to add some kind of adhesive to keep the focus ring from blowing off? ** *-Peter*
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Focus ring? Attachment method?
Don't know the part number. Here's a picture of it: http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=79 bp On 10/29/2014 12:06 PM, tcidan via Af wrote: What part number are you talking about? I've never heard of a focus ring. --danp On 10/28/2014 04:35 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Are you supposed to add some kind of adhesive to keep the focus ring from blowing off? ** *-Peter*
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
I wonder how much the e-signing companies charge per document? VoIP Innovations and Lease Corp both use e-signing services and I like it. Makes it seem very professional, even though basically you are just clicking to sign. It’s nice to be able to use the link and go back later and see what you signed. Kind of like Dropbox for contracts. From: Ben Royer via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
$20 - $50 a month per user is what some of them charge. On 10/29/2014 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I wonder how much the e-signing companies charge per document? VoIP Innovations and Lease Corp both use e-signing services and I like it. Makes it seem very professional, even though basically you are just clicking to sign. It’s nice to be able to use the link and go back later and see what you signed. Kind of like Dropbox for contracts. *From:* Ben Royer via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 tel:217-965-3699 www.royell.net http://www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Or check out open esignforms for free :) http://open.esignforms.com/ On 10/29/2014 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I wonder how much the e-signing companies charge per document? VoIP Innovations and Lease Corp both use e-signing services and I like it. Makes it seem very professional, even though basically you are just clicking to sign. It’s nice to be able to use the link and go back later and see what you signed. Kind of like Dropbox for contracts. *From:* Ben Royer via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net *From:* That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 tel:217-965-3699 www.royell.net http://www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
Adobe is roughly $15/user/mth Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or check out open esignforms for free :) http://open.esignforms.com/ On 10/29/2014 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I wonder how much the e-signing companies charge per document? VoIP Innovations and Lease Corp both use e-signing services and I like it. Makes it seem very professional, even though basically you are just clicking to sign. It’s nice to be able to use the link and go back later and see what you signed. Kind of like Dropbox for contracts. *From:* Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel with XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its all one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better since it will have full QoS control and OAM. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a combiner on the antenna. Looks like any other single FODU install, very clean. Not inexpensive however. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Cambium PTP820c Exalt ExtremeAir Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman?
Cambridge VectaStar! On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FTTA? I hate that crap, let's call it what it is - wireless, or more generically, high speed. Am I the only person who wants to smack this marketing department in the mouth? On Friday, October 24, 2014, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: the attached PDF is from summer 2011. 42 GHz 30 or 60 degree sector antenna. never found much traction in the market. the sectors in your photo look like they are hollow and feed directly onto a relatively narrow diameter waveguide. higher-res photo? On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: ehh... I can't find anything on their site that looks like that. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/24/2014 01:37 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: Sort of looks like 38 GHz PtMP sector antennas for something such as http://www.bluwan.com/ On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are these? Vivint? Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
Right. The price was meant as a very rough estimate. Quantity discounts from vendors and different feature sets can change those prices quite a bit too. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote: There are a large number of possible software licenses available for these platforms that can really move the price around. Some are needed, others unlikely for most of our applications. Hard to compare like for like without a side by side BOM comparison. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's my current understanding. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats. bp On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: A question on your list: Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the Ceragon variant? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
I agree to an extent, however there are some cases where I think it makes sense. For a platform that's a few $k, totally agree. But some of these high end systems support a ton of telco/celco derived features that are not part of the standard transport feature set we care about and that we'll never use and I don't want to have to pay for the development and support costs for these features. Things like e-sync, incredibly complex QoS mechanisms, blah blah are expensive to develop and I can see charging extra for it for the limited uptake instead of rolling that cost into all sales. On the other hand, having to pay for a speed key to go faster than 10Mbps or use ACM is frustrating. In an ideal world we wouldn't have to deal with this, but as a product develops and has a long life cycle, these kinds of things are going to happen. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Nothing is more rage inducing than the term software license Sent from my portable confuser On Oct 29, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: There are a large number of possible software licenses available for these platforms that can really move the price around. Some are needed, others unlikely for most of our applications. Hard to compare like for like without a side by side BOM comparison. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: That's my current understanding. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some unmentioned caveats. bp On 10/29/2014 10:05 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: A question on your list: Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) These are the same radios right? So I assume the PTP820c can do 2048QAM as well..? but it sounds like its being offered for a lower price than the Ceragon variant? Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: Motorola III af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM Subject: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
Well, okay, but in that general area. The only fiber network available at my house is the one I had brought to my house. However, I would still price out a service as Windstream, Comcast, Frontier, etc. would as they're in my area. None of them have fiber anywhere close to me, but they're in my market. You're in the greater SF area, so whatever that circuit costs in that area. Maybe you hit up a reseller to see a rough quote from the other operators for that area before you price yours. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:25:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com To: Motorola III af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM Subject: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp
[AFMUG] Custom engraving stencil
Anyone know where you can get a custom engraving stencil? Want to put property of XXX on all our hand tools. Small enough to go on wrenches as well.
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
Base Price: 1yr Contract: $1980/mo 2yr Contract: $1870/mo 3yr Contract: $1760/mo We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer. Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract. You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes in the path? Just some things to consider. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] Testing 123
x31 x32 x33 Back to you TJ bp On 10/29/2014 2:07 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Focus ring? Attachment method?
I have a feeling the focus ring shapes the pattern of the 100/450 antennas to be more like the 430 already is. So there’s nothing to gain with 430. Apparently whatever magic Cambium used to get higher gain from the single pol 430 patch could not be replicated in a dual pol patch for 450. First gen focus ring had a screw to tighten it onto the SM, second gen relied on just a tight fit. I guess you could apply a dab of silicone sealant if you are worried about wind blowing it off, I’m more worried about ice/snow accumulation. We’ll know about that soon enough. From: Bill Prince via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:18 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Focus ring? Attachment method? Works on 5GHz FSK and PMP450. Does not work on PMP430. PMP430 has a one-off weird internal patch antenna. bpOn 10/28/2014 9:45 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: Is the focus ring a 450 only product? Epmp? On Oct 28, 2014 7:50 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The old ones (with the screw in the back) needed some double-stick tape to hold them in place. We found they wanted to twist or ride up like cheap undershorts. The new ones (without the screw) seem to fit pretty snuggly. We still put some double stick (outdoor flavor) under the tab at the top. The ones we've re-visited seem to be staying on. bpOn 10/28/2014 3:35 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: Are you supposed to add some kind of adhesive to keep the focus ring from blowing off? -Peter
Re: [AFMUG] Idea's wanted for findmehighspeed
Done.. whats next? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Tim, Shoot me a e-mail and I can get you the logo etc for towercoverage.com. J Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net -- *From: *timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com *Sender: *Af af-boun...@afmug.com *Date: *Tue, 28 Oct 2014 01:50:47 + *To: *af@afmug.comaf@afmug.com *ReplyTo: *af@afmug.com *Subject: *[AFMUG] Idea's wanted for findmehighspeed Findmehighspeed.com was getting a lot of hits for new sign-ups when it first started now it has slowed down I'm up for your idea's I would like to keep the service free connect users to as many WISP's in there area as possible 1 idea would be to have the contact form send a email direct to this list that is up to paul if he wants that.. What Direction would you like findmehighspeed.com to take? let me know.. Thanks,
Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a DW HC 6 ghz Sub band A Low radio
They are stating that they have a 6-8 week turn around for a new radio. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: out of curiousity, why not go through Dragon wave for a replacement? are they not stocking them? On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: A little bump to see if anyone out there has any leads. Thanks On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Sam Lambie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We just had one of ours fail and don't have a spare on hand. Anyone want to sell theirs? Thanks Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
going Digital is note that hard now days all you have to do is get youre Techs Galaxy Note Phones with a PDF Editor app have them Sign the PDF have tech email a copy to billing.. then billing can e-mail copy to customer or mail with next bill.. not sure what about that needs a plan.. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Adobe is roughly $15/user/mth Regards, Chuck On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Or check out open esignforms for free :) http://open.esignforms.com/ On 10/29/2014 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I wonder how much the e-signing companies charge per document? VoIP Innovations and Lease Corp both use e-signing services and I like it. Makes it seem very professional, even though basically you are just clicking to sign. It’s nice to be able to use the link and go back later and see what you signed. Kind of like Dropbox for contracts. *From:* Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net *From:* That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts
[AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist? Hook me up with a model # please thanks
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
We have a three part work order form. Installer keeps a copy, office keeps a copy, office keeps a copy. Basically without this form the installer isn't paid for those hours (not that we've ever had to fight it) - Original Message - From: Ben Royer via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
493, 493G, 2011, 1100AHx2, CRS109, CRS125 From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:40 PM To: af@afmug.com ; memb...@wispa.org ; Principal WISPA Member List Subject: [AFMUG] what i needmikrotik OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist? Hook me up with a model # please thanks
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
493g? ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 29, 2014, at 5:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist? Hook me up with a model # please thanks
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
RB2011? Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 10/29/2014 02:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist? Hook me up with a model # please thanks
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist? Hook me up with a model # please thanks
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
What you are describing is a performance/discipline incentive. Those types of merit-based programs are generally going to be ok, at least from a wage and hour standpoint (though they can always raise other issues of their own--implement plans like this only with the benefit of legal advice, including good training for your supervisors). -- Original message -- From: Tushar Patel via Af Date: 10/29/2014 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.com; Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork What about linking lack of paperwork to performance review and raises? Tushar On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Hass, Douglas A. via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Remember, not turning in paperwork is a disciplinary issue, not a compensation issue. No matter if your employee does a good job, a bad job, turns in all of his paperwork, or turns in absolutely no paperwork, you still MUST pay him for all hours he works. You can discipline him, but even having a no paperwork, no pay policy on the books is going to be unlawful and can be grounds for a very costly to defend wage and hour lawsuit. Even if you have never actually enforced this, good luck proving that if your policy and your public pronouncements suggest otherwise! I am happy to talk with any of you off list about alternatives to messing with paychecks that can legally incentivize employees to do their jobs. -- Original message -- From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Date: 10/29/2014 6:02 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Subject:Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork We have a three part work order form. Installer keeps a copy, office keeps a copy, office keeps a copy. Basically without this form the installer isn't paid for those hours (not that we've ever had to fight it) - Original Message - From: Ben Royer via Af mailto:af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork Excellent feedback from everyone, I greatly appreciate it. The concept of the quick PDF is nice, as well as the Google Drive folders. Our agreement is only a couple pages, the install work order is a couple pages as well, but nothing to consuming for someone to read through and then have an email of it. Thanks again for the feedback. Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.nethttp://www.royell.net From: That One Guy via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:41 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork we normally get ours signed ahead of time We used to have a customer sign off form, but when they did get filled out they rarely made it back to the shop We are looking at options through powercode to get customer signatures, even if its just a tablet upload as a file. I dont know why people are so against getting their contracts signed ahead of time as part of the sign up for service, just have part of the terms void the contract if its an unsuccessful installation. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: I remember an ATT U-Verse installer finishing the job and then wanting me to sign a 7 page agreement on his iPad. He stood there killing time for 154 minutes while I read the agreement. Apparently they count on people not reading what they sign. Also it seems like the time to get it signed was BEFORE he did the work. So my recommendation is to either keep your agreement to 1 page, or provide a copy to the customer ahead of time, or to read while the installer is working (this also gives the customer something to do other than nitpicking your install work). It's a waste of time to have your installer stand there while the customer reads a long agreement. -Original Message- From: Jason Pond via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:15 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork So the going paperless is way easier than you think. Buy a signature pad like a Topaz Sig Lite (usb) send with installer. Your contract is probably already in PDF form. Create Information boxes and add a signature field. This can be done with Acrobat reader I think. They save on the computer have installer download or e-mail them in at the end of the day. The installer can even e-mail a copy to the customer right there while they are still onsite. (two things good about that. You know you have the right e-mail address and the installer knows that the internet is working). If the customer wants a signed copy they can have one e-mailed to them at the end of the day after the installer gets back to the office. No matter what you do an in-vehicle printer will be problematic forever they were not designed for that environment. (cheaper in the long run to go paperless sooner than later)... Sincerely, Jason Pond On Wed,
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
The Square POS application for iPad uses card-swipe and finger signatures. Seems good enough for VISA, Mastercard, the payment card industry as a whole. https://www.google.ca/search?q=square+ipad+registernum=100client=firefox-ahs=Xvzrls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialchannel=sbsource=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=UoNRVKb4JMWwogSXoYKgBQved=0CAgQ_AUoAQbiw=1339bih=913 On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af af@afmug.com wrote: On 10/29/14, 10:41, CARL PETERSON via Af wrote: I�m going to second paperless. We just use google drive with a folder for open sales orders and a folder for completed sales orders. In the office, we just save new sales orders to the open folder. Tech opens them on an iPad mini, has the customer sign them, and saves them to completed. WAY easier then trying to track down paper and then file it. My signature on a screen with my finger looks nothing like my actual signature. Does anyone know how that difference holds up if challenged? ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed hub site. At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from NOC. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. Base Price: 1yr Contract: $1980/mo 2yr Contract: $1870/mo 3yr Contract: $1760/mo We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer. Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract. You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes in the path? Just some things to consider. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp
Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork
We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware . The cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to sign. I say the writing is on the wall :) On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote: Quick poll question... For those of you still using paper in the field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend? We use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field. However, they are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs. I’ve even had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a mustard packet inside them. Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the field? Thank you, Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor Royell Communications, Inc. 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service.
We do similar and if the customer doesnt have these things at the termination point we offer a lease or purchase for the extended equipment. I still cant get away from Mikrotiks CCR routers instead of the latter. On 10/29/2014 7:29 PM, Paul Stewart via Af wrote: That pricing is similar to what we charge when using PTP600 directly back to a fiber fed hub site. At the customer site, we install an APC 1500 UPS (with SNMP management) and a Juniper SRX router - fully managed and monitored from NOC. -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. Base Price: 1yr Contract: $1980/mo 2yr Contract: $1870/mo 3yr Contract: $1760/mo We negotiate discounts from those prices. Usually end up giving customers 20-30% off to make a deal. DIA services are always negotiable. Sometimes we have to add to them to deal with all the upgrades necessary to get to the customer. Install depends on required equipment. Airfiber is usually not a big deal. Licensed link could be the cost of the link spread over term of contract. You also have to consider what it takes from your backbone to deliver that. How many sites from your upstream is it? Do you need to charge enough to cover future upgrades to your backhauls, routers, etc? What about upgrades to UPSes in the path? Just some things to consider. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 01:25 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: No Comcast here. No ATT here. Others as well. Only real competition at this site would be bonded T1 lines. Qty 1 T1 in this location would be ~~ $500 per month. There might be another Wireless provider that could get through the hole in the trees, but the number would be very, very limited. bp On 10/29/2014 1:22 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What are Comcast\TW\ATT\Zayo\etc. selling 100 megs for? That's where you want to sell your 100 megs, assuming you're not losing your ass at that rate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+Intelligent ComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligen t-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL - --- *From: *Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com *To: *Motorola III af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:57:39 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] price range for a dedicated 100x100 service. We have a new subscriber we're providing dedicated 24x24 service right now. He's asked for a quote for dedicated 100x100 service. The link is ~~ 8.5 miles. Right now, I'm thinking we need to put in a licensed link. The site is active with 2 PMP450 APs, and I do not want to interfere on a site with relatively tight spectrum demands, so anything in 5.8 is out of the question. I don't really need technical advice, but I'm looking for advice on how to price this. Typically, we charge 30-50 % of the equipment cost and then price the monthly recurring to recover the remaining equipment cost over 12 months. However, I would like to entertain alternatives. -- bp --
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them ).. For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist? Hook me up with a model # please thanks --
Re: [AFMUG] what i need....mikrotik
Me want.. CCR1009?, dual AC or DC power supplies, 4 SFP or SFP+ slots, two 5-port copper GigE switch groups. 4 backhauls, 8 sectors and two extra ports for whatever. On 10/29/2014 8:02 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: Mikrotik are you listening... Knock knock... I also want all these style boards or at least the CCR to have a Terminal jack near the AC power port (You know the little green ones with screws in them ).. For DC input up to 30Volts or even 48volt would be great. Why is it so hard to have a little thing like that :( On 10/29/2014 5:59 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: RB493, RB2011, RB1100, RB1200. bp On 10/29/2014 3:40 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af wrote: OK, i need a board that has more than 5 ports on it that is also powered via POE. does such a beast exist? Hook me up with a model # please thanks --
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR and PPPoE
Chris, Been hitting about 450 at peak. I'll keep my eyes on it. Thanks for the heads up. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Monday, October 27, 2014, 7:32:21 PM, you wrote: CWvA What kind of bandwidth are your 1600 sessions pulling? CWvA Last time we tested it struggled to get past 500mbps. CWvA Chris Wright CWvA Velociter Wireless CWvA -Original Message- CWvA From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies via Af CWvA Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 1:29 PM CWvA To: Matt via Af CWvA Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik CCR and PPPoE CWvA Matt, CWvA How has it been running the past few days? How many PPPoE sessions? CWvA We have a ccr1016-12 with about 1600 pppoe sessions CWvA running. Running 6.4, have wanted to update it being it is CWvA working. CWvA -- CWvA Best regards, CWvA Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com CWvA Myakka Technologies, Inc. CWvA www.MyakkaTech.com CWvA Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life CWvA http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL CWvA Please Donate at CWvA http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 CWvA -- CWvA Friday, October 24, 2014, 1:51:36 PM, you wrote: MvA Recently updated to a 36 core CCR as a PPPoE server. Was having MvA some issues with higher tier packages such as our office getting MvA more than 20mbps through a single connection. IPv6 seemed to MvA perform better then IPv4 for speed tests. Upgraded the CCR from MvA v6.17 to v6.20. Now every pppoe connection is screaming fast. I MvA don't know what Mikrotik did but something has changed. I wonder MvA if they did anything with there BGP code? We have another one MvA doing a couple gigabit full BGP connections. Seems to work fine MvA but one core is almost always at 100 percent. Its currently running v6.19. CWvA --- CWvA This email is free from viruses and malware because CWvA avast! Antivirus protection is active. CWvA http://www.avast.com --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Colocation
I think the short answer is: I’ve got 350kW of co-location.. It’s easy to break even and hard to make money.. there is a lot of competition from people who will do anything to undercut your pricing. You need a lot of things to do it well, and it all adds up. -Peter From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout via Af Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 10:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Colocation Has anyone made a successful try at offering colocation and would like to point out some details on Do's and don't's? Seems like a great way to build additional revenue off of completely unused upstream bandwidth ? Is it worth the hassle and DDoS?
Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently
That we have announced, of course. Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are less than a realistic 6 months out. FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait will be worth it. Daniel White – Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: (303) 746-3590 Skype: danieldwhite daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one channel with XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. Its all one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were huge requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks better since it will have full QoS control and OAM. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM features. Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about $35k?) Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net mailto:m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 tel:530.272.4000 On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. No smoke. bp On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff I've dealt with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC omputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent - computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio currently yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the threshold required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down to 256QAM and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of something like -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM radio at -63 or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something you can reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link pretending to be a fiber patch cable between two routers. Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with 60cm size antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0 On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 miles, one 60Mhz frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using 2048QAM, uses two cores
