Re: [AFMUG] voip

[Lewis Bergman]

If any of you have business customers that want a new phone system, Can
handle any cabling requirements locally, and would like a one time
commission, you could send them my way. I like business VoIP. I found it
brought more business to my WISP than my WISP brought to VoIP. Of course
YMMV. Of course, most WISP believe their network is VoIP ready but few are.

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> I started doing VoIP which led me to the WISP.
>
> I sold the VoIP and did even more WISP.
>
> It was the right decision a billion times over.  Did you see the thread
> recently about the caller ID issue? XD
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373=gmail=g>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/fcc-tries-to-help-cable-companies-avoid-state-consumer-protection-rules/
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
> In Utah, Xmission has a great VOIP product that can port in the customers
>>> numbers.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:06 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] voip
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t have staff for that, so I don’t do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We did have good success with it years ago having it in house, but we
>>> also had larger business clients with 100’s of phone lines on it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:30 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] voip
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Big question here.
>>> Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911
>>> stuff?
>>> How is everyone doing this?
>>> If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] voip

[Josh Luthman]

I started doing VoIP which led me to the WISP.

I sold the VoIP and did even more WISP.

It was the right decision a billion times over.  Did you see the thread
recently about the caller ID issue? XD


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/fcc-tries-to-
> help-cable-companies-avoid-state-consumer-protection-rules/
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> In Utah, Xmission has a great VOIP product that can port in the customers
>> numbers.
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] voip
>>
>>
>> I don’t have staff for that, so I don’t do it.
>>
>>
>>
>> We did have good success with it years ago having it in house, but we
>> also had larger business clients with 100’s of phone lines on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:30 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] voip
>>
>>
>>
>> Big question here.
>> Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911
>> stuff?
>> How is everyone doing this?
>> If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?
>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] voip

[Steve Jones]

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/fcc-tries-to-help-cable-companies-avoid-state-consumer-protection-rules/

On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 12:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> In Utah, Xmission has a great VOIP product that can port in the customers
> numbers.
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] voip
>
>
> I don’t have staff for that, so I don’t do it.
>
>
>
> We did have good success with it years ago having it in house, but we also
> had larger business clients with 100’s of phone lines on it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:30 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] voip
>
>
>
> Big question here.
> Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911 stuff?
> How is everyone doing this?
> If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] voip

[chuck]

In Utah, Xmission has a great VOIP product that can port in the customers 
numbers.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] voip

I don’t have staff for that, so I don’t do it.

 

We did have good success with it years ago having it in house, but we also had 
larger business clients with 100’s of phone lines on it.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:30 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] voip

 

Big question here.
Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911 stuff?
How is everyone doing this?
If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] voip

[Sterling Jacobson]

I don’t have staff for that, so I don’t do it.

We did have good success with it years ago having it in house, but we also had 
larger business clients with 100’s of phone lines on it.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:30 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] voip

Big question here.
Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911 stuff?
How is everyone doing this?
If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?
--
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Re: [AFMUG] voip

[chuck]

I farm it out.  

From: Dave 
Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:29 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] voip

Big question here.
Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911 stuff?
How is everyone doing this?
If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?


-- 

Re: [AFMUG] voip

[Adam Moffett]

I hate VoIP.  I hate phones.  I hate LNP.

But logically I have to conclude that it's worth it.
* You'll make some money on the service itself
* It makes customers more sticky
* It helps you compete with cable and telco voice+data bundles

And at least in my case, I found problems I didn't know we had.  You 
could have the tiniest issues in your network that you don't notice 
except that they can be heard on a VoIP call.  Examples I can recall are 
the 8th packet delayed bug on Canopy (fixed years ago, but VoIP is what 
revealed it), a switch with a sort of tick that periodically delays 
packets, a router that's just a hair underpowered, weird driver issues, 
etc.  For better or worse, selling voip raises the standard of success 
and I think committing to making it work made the network stronger 
overall.


-Adam


-- Original Message --
From: "Dave" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 11/8/2017 9:29:52 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] voip


Big question here.
Is it worth it to be a voip provider? With all the paperwork and 911 
stuff?

How is everyone doing this?
If your paying for hosted what end user rates do you charge?

--

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Josh Reynolds]

I like VoIP.ms but seems they may not offer what he is looking for.

I also like telnyx. They have a very well designed network and support
g.722 where possible. New player.

- Josh

On Jun 9, 2017 1:47 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

> Others have mentioned voip.ms... I am extremely happy with them.�
> Unlimited LD, good E911, easy porting, low per-minute rates, around
> $1.50/mo fixed cost for a ported number.�� I provide these "free" to my
> friends and neighbors, in exchange for the occasional sixpack.
>
> On 5/30/17 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.� I
> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.�
> �
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.� Would prefer someone local.�
> �
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.�
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Bruce Robertson]

Others have mentioned voip.ms... I am extremely happy with them. 
Unlimited LD, good E911, easy porting, low per-minute rates, around 
$1.50/mo fixed cost for a ported number.   I provide these "free" to my 
friends and neighbors, in exchange for the occasional sixpack.


On 5/30/17 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  
I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Robert Haas]

This was brought up with our discussions with Toly and ANPI(or whoever they are 
this week). We are looking at more of a hosted PBX solution outside of our ILEC 
territory for companies that also have presence within our ILEC territory. 

In that scenario we would port our number to Toly as well as the RBOC number 
for the other locations. 

 

There was a few different choices on how to carry the traffic as well (ie them 
handling it 100% or route the traffic back to us). 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

 

We would just be porting, not moving an NXX.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

 

Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this 
specific instance.  Maybe I don't.  I am betting just this once it's you. 
Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those 
NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. 

You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to 
a different CLI. You can't,  or at least didn't use to be able to do that, 
without paying transport fees.  Last time I tried it they refused, as is their 
right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily 
sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit 
outside his rate center. 

In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your 
class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the 
easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.

Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just 
get some voip solution and did it himself.  Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, 
Dialogic. There are so many. 

Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely 
understand. 

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants 
covered.

 



-
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<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
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<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
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From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us.  There is no 
way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck.  You have to have 
somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to 
reassign that block to that switch.  You then have to route that to something 
that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know.  If 
outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your 
LATA right? 

Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck.  I saw someone on a voip 
list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances.  I am 
guessing you talked to someone about it today. 

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

NetSapiens does equipment, not service.

 



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
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 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

CTI uses 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>> I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport 
>>> and connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. 

This is where the Risk/Reward comes into play. 

If all the pieces are available to you, and it is just a matter of 'time & 
effort' to put it all together in a manageable system, we can provide you with 
that too.as a one-time implementation or as a managed system.. 

Lots of ways this can be sliced and diced. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:34:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

> Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high.
> I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry.
> So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of
> connection.
> If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be
> jitter or latency.
> So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional 
> tandem
> if I can get it.
> I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and
> connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>>the
> >>>tandem, the quality should be pretty high
> Yes, sort off
> Explanation:-
> There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or
> "Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or
> "Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)...
> Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both
> legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ...
> Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more
> challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD.
> VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the
> Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end.
> Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) 
> is
> of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine...
> In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec 
> Conversions
> (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter  latency
> tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these
> days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit
> Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports).
> Regards
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>> If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>> the
>> tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort 
>> public
>> routing to the gateway.
>> But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
>> well,
>> it may not be a difference that would be noticeable.
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>> @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the 
>> whole
>> picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits
>> are taken into account.
>> Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID
>> lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees
>> along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.
>> At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000
>> subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the
>> flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to
>> change.
>> In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be 
>> accurate,
>> and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the
>> actual path.. The quality greatly dep

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

We would not be doing DIDs. And we collect and pay the E911 fees as well as 
keep the MSAG database current for the customers.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 11:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Faisal is pretty accurate on the costs. The E911 for each individual subscriber 
and getting the address registered properly will be a big part of the MRC for 
each DID, and is something you definitely need to get right so that people 
don't die. 



On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

  @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the 
whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum 
commits are taken into account.

  Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID 
lookup,  and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees 
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.

  At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the 
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to 
change.

  In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be 
accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion 
of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e.  
how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the 
network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks 
like.

  Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the 
call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on 
the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call 
control traffic.

  It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies  of VOIP, what affects it 
and how to identify them.

  We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes 
sense.


  Regards

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

We have no idea how many will want this.  Currently we have over 5K on 
pots. 
We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range.  They are 
already serving some of our other areas.
I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be 
perfect. 

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this..

Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ?

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL 
tariff.  Some of those people will still want telephone service.  So we need a 
non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you 
are looking for such ?

  i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived 
convenience issue ?

  We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

Faisal is pretty accurate on the costs. The E911 for each individual
subscriber and getting the address registered properly will be a big part
of the MRC for each DID, and is something you definitely need to get right
so that people don't die.



On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the
> whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum
> commits are taken into account.
>
> Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID
> lookup,  and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes &
> fees along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.
>
> At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs
> 1000 subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between
> doing the flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage
> will start to change.
>
> In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be
> accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small
> portion of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers
> setup, i.e.  how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path,
> and what is the network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or
> Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like.
>
> Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the
> call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent
> on the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call
> control traffic.
>
> It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies  of VOIP, what affects
> it and how to identify them.
>
> We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes
> sense.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> ----------
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> We have no idea how many will want this.  Currently we have over 5K on
> pots.
> We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range.  They are
> already serving some of our other areas.
> I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be
> perfect.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this..
>
> Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ?
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL
> tariff.  Some of those people will still want telephone service.  So we
> need a non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated
> equipment.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you
> are looking for such ?
>
> i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience
> issue ?
>
> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core
> issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working
> arrangement.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

Right. I specifically mentioned ILECs as an exemption. Few others do. I would 
imagine more minutes flow through non-legacy at some point than flow through 
legacy exclusively. That's a pretty safe bet. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:47:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




Well, I am an ILEC and all traffic is via trunks to the tandem. All SS7. We all 
have NECA meet point billing arrangements and NECA tariffs and the traffic 
flows over the legacy network so we all get our access payments. 

If you get a check from NECA or USAC you are probably not doing much VOIP 
except for a non regulated outbound LD service. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:44 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


Sure it is, but if it leaves an ILEC, it's probably going VoIP. There's a lot 
of calls made over cable, cellular, OTT VoIP, etc. that are only old-school for 
as little as they have to be. 

There are even fully VoIP-enabled competitive tandems out there explicitly for 
bypassing legacy tandems. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:41:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service. The SS7 
network is as alive and well as ever. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything 
connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from 
POTS. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. 

I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. 
So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of 
connection. 

If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be 
jitter or latency. 

So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem 
if I can get it. 

I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and 
connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. 




From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 



>>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high 

Yes, sort off 

Explanation:- 
There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... 

Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both 
legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... 

Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more 
challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. 

VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the 
Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. 
Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is 
of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... 

In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions 
(especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter  latency 
tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these 
days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit 
Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
- Original Message -



From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 








If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the 
tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public 
routing to the gateway. 

But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
well,

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

Well, I am an ILEC and all traffic is via trunks to the tandem.  All SS7.  We 
all have NECA meet point billing arrangements and NECA tariffs and the traffic 
flows over the legacy network so we all get our access payments.  

If you get a check from NECA or USAC you are probably not doing much VOIP 
except for a non regulated outbound LD service.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Sure it is, but if it leaves an ILEC, it's probably going VoIP. There's a lot 
of calls made over cable, cellular, OTT VoIP, etc. that are only old-school for 
as little as they have to be.

There are even fully VoIP-enabled competitive tandems out there explicitly for 
bypassing legacy tandems.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:41:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers


You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service.  The SS7 
network is as alive and well as ever.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything 
connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from 
POTS.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers


Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high.  

I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry.  
So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of 
connection.  

If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be 
jitter or latency.  

So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem 
if I can get it.  

I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and 
connections.  But there is no money in it for me to go to that work.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>>>if the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high

Yes, sort off

Explanation:-
There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)...

Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both 
legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ...

Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection  gets more 
challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD.

VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the 
Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end.
Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is 
of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine...

In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from  Codec 
Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter 
 latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing 
factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two 
IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports).

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
the tandem, the quality should be pretty high.  Better than using best-effort 
public routing to the gateway. 

  But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the 
whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum 
commits are taken into account.

  Figure about $3-$

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

Sure it is, but if it leaves an ILEC, it's probably going VoIP. There's a lot 
of calls made over cable, cellular, OTT VoIP, etc. that are only old-school for 
as little as they have to be. 

There are even fully VoIP-enabled competitive tandems out there explicitly for 
bypassing legacy tandems. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:41:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service. The SS7 
network is as alive and well as ever. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything 
connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from 
POTS. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. 

I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. 
So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of 
connection. 

If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be 
jitter or latency. 

So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem 
if I can get it. 

I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and 
connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. 




From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 



>>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high 

Yes, sort off 

Explanation:- 
There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... 

Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both 
legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... 

Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more 
challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. 

VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the 
Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. 
Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is 
of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... 

In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions 
(especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter  latency 
tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these 
days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit 
Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
- Original Message -



From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 








If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the 
tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public 
routing to the gateway. 

But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. 




From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 



@ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole 
picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits 
are taken into account. 

Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID 
lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees 
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. 

At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the 
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to 
change. 

In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, 
and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

You would be surprised as to how many 5ESS are still in service.  The SS7 
network is as alive and well as ever.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything 
connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from 
POTS.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers


Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high.  

I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry.  
So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of 
connection.  

If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be 
jitter or latency.  

So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem 
if I can get it.  

I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and 
connections.  But there is no money in it for me to go to that work.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>>>if the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high

Yes, sort off

Explanation:-
There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)...

Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both 
legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ...

Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection  gets more 
challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD.

VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the 
Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end.
Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is 
of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine...

In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from  Codec 
Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter 
 latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing 
factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two 
IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports).

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
the tandem, the quality should be pretty high.  Better than using best-effort 
public routing to the gateway. 

  But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the 
whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum 
commits are taken into account.

  Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID 
lookup,  and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees 
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.

  At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the 
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to 
change.

  In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be 
accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion 
of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e.  
how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the 
network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks 
like.

  Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the 
call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on 
the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call 
control traffic.

  It has tak

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

Much of the PSTN is no longer a bunch of DSxs, but VoIP. Sure, anything 
connected to the tandem is DSx, but beyond that, little of it is aside from 
POTS. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:34:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high. 

I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry. 
So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of 
connection. 

If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be 
jitter or latency. 

So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem 
if I can get it. 

I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and 
connections. But there is no money in it for me to go to that work. 




From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 



>>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high 

Yes, sort off 

Explanation:- 
There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... 

Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both 
legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... 

Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more 
challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. 

VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the 
Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. 
Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is 
of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... 

In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions 
(especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter  latency 
tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these 
days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit 
Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
- Original Message -



From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 








If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the 
tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort public 
routing to the gateway. 

But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. 




From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 



@ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole 
picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits 
are taken into account. 

Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID 
lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees 
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. 

At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the 
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to 
change. 

In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, 
and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the 
actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how many 
codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network 
connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. 

Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call 
control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the 
network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control 
traffic. 

It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and 
how to identify them. 

We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes 
sense. 


Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

Once it hits the PSTN the quality is high and stays high.  

I have spent the last 38 years working for the regulated side of the industry.  
So I am biased, however hard to argue against SS7/DS0 for speed and quality of 
connection.  

If it is G.711/DS0 full rate PCM from one end to the other there will not be 
jitter or latency.  

So that I way I want VLAN to SIP gateway that is connected to a regional tandem 
if I can get it.  

I can create this myself, I already have rack space, colocation, transport and 
connections.  But there is no money in it for me to go to that work.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>>>if the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high

Yes, sort off

Explanation:-
There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)...

Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both 
legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ...

Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection  gets more 
challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD.

VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the 
Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end.
Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is 
of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine...

In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from  Codec 
Conversions (especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter 
 latency tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing 
factor, but these days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two 
IP Transit Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports).

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
the tandem, the quality should be pretty high.  Better than using best-effort 
public routing to the gateway. 

  But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the 
whole picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum 
commits are taken into account.

  Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID 
lookup,  and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees 
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.

  At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the 
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to 
change.

  In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be 
accurate, and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion 
of the actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e.  
how many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the 
network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks 
like.

  Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the 
call control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on 
the network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call 
control traffic.

  It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies  of VOIP, what affects it 
and how to identify them.

  We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes 
sense.


  Regards

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

We have no idea how many will want this.  Currently we have over 5K on pots.
We have a provid

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>>i f the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to 
>>>the tandem, the quality should be pretty high 

Yes, sort off 

Explanation:- 
There are two legs to every call... one leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Customer CPE, and the second leg would be from the "switch" or 
"Proxy" to the Voice Gateway (VOIP to TDM)... 

Making sure that the network connection is clean and of high quality on both 
legs will add to the quality, along with the Codec Conversion ... 

Making sure that the 2nd leg is of high quality network connection gets more 
challenging to do when terminating Nation Wide LD. 

VOIP / TDM Gateways are becoming less and less, since more and more the the 
Telco's are using Sonus Switches, thus keeping VOIP as packets end to end. 
Most of the larger public network connectivity on Fiber (as you pointed out) is 
of high quality and as long as it is congestion free it is just fine... 

In our experience, most of the voice issues tend to come from Codec Conversions 
(especially when they are done multiple times) and or High Jitter  latency 
tends not to be an issue... (Packet loss can be a prevailing factor, but these 
days it is becoming more rare, unless you are traversing two IP Transit 
Providers who have over subscribed interconnection ports). 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:14:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

> If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the
> tandem, the quality should be pretty high. Better than using best-effort 
> public
> routing to the gateway.
> But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
> well,
> it may not be a difference that would be noticeable.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> @ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the 
> whole
> picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits
> are taken into account.
> Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID
> lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees
> along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.
> At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000
> subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the
> flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to
> change.
> In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be 
> accurate,
> and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the
> actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how 
> many
> codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network
> connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like.
> Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the 
> call
> control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the
> network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control
> traffic.
> It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and
> how to identify them.
> We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes 
> sense.
> Regards
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>> We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on pots.
>> We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are already
>> serving some of our other areas.
>> I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be
>> perfect.
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>> Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this..
>> Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ?
>> Regards.
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>&

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

If the VLAN covered from the POTS to the SIP gateway that was connected to the 
tandem, the quality should be pretty high.  Better than using best-effort 
public routing to the gateway.  

But since everything is fiber these days and everything tends to work very 
well, it may not be a difference that would be noticeable.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

@ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole 
picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits 
are taken into account.

Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID 
lookup,  and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees 
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7.

At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the 
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to 
change.

In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, 
and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the 
actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e.  how 
many codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the 
network connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks 
like.

Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call 
control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the 
network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control 
traffic.

It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies  of VOIP, what affects it and 
how to identify them.

We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes sense.


Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  We have no idea how many will want this.  Currently we have over 5K on pots. 
  We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range.  They are 
already serving some of our other areas.
  I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be 
perfect. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this..

  Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ?

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff.  
Some of those people will still want telephone service.  So we need a non 
regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are 
looking for such ?

i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
issue ?

We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

  We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

  So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Faisal Imtiaz]

@ $7 is a decent price for this type of service, keeping in mind that the whole 
picture could be different once the one time charges and any minimum commits 
are taken into account. 

Figure about $3-$4 per sub as a 'cost' of platform. $1 for DID + Caller ID 
lookup, and the rest would be used for mou's, I am assuming that taxes & fees 
along with E911 charges would be over and above the $7. 

At the end of the day it is going to be about Volume, i.e. 100 subs vs 1000 
subs, somewhere about $2500-3k/month spending the balance between doing the 
flat rate style arrangement vs taking the risk on mou arbitrage will start to 
change. 

In regards to a 'local' provider, vlan providing quality would not be accurate, 
and quite possibly a myth. It only would address a very small portion of the 
actual path.. The quality greatly depends on the providers setup, i.e. how many 
codec conversions are taking place in the Voice path, and what is the network 
connectivity to the VOIP to TDM gateway or Sonus/ACME Switch path looks like. 

Folks commonly mistake in looking at the network path to the Proxy, or the call 
control data path, while the actual quality of the Voice is dependent on the 
network path of the Voice traffic, which is not the same as the call control 
traffic. 

It has taken a long time to learn the intricacies of VOIP, what affects it and 
how to identify them. 

We will be more than happy to work with you on this project of that makes 
sense. 

Regards 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 11:17:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

> We have no idea how many will want this. Currently we have over 5K on pots.
> We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range. They are already
> serving some of our other areas.
> I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be
> perfect.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this..
> Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ?
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>> We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff. 
>> Some
>> of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non regulated
>> VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are
>> looking for such ?
>> i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
>> issue ?
>> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
>> issue
>> you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.
>> Regards.
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would
>>> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local.
>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, there is zero technical, engineering or financial reason to do this.  100% 
regulatory.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I guess that explains why you can't use your equipment or something directly 
attached. You are looking to segment off for regulatory reasons. Ahhhthe 
wonderful world of telecom.


On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:47 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff.  
Some of those people will still want telephone service.  So we need a non 
regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.  

  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
  Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are 
looking for such ? 

  i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
issue ? 

  We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. 

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local. 

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Lewis Bergman]

I guess that explains why you can't use your equipment or something
directly attached. You are looking to segment off for regulatory reasons.
Ahhhthe wonderful world of telecom.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:47 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL
> tariff.  Some of those people will still want telephone service.  So we
> need a non regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated
> equipment.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you
> are looking for such ?
>
> i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience
> issue ?
>
> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core
> issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working
> arrangement.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>
>
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

You still don't understand what's happening here. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:17:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


Well...Have fun porting 10K numbers. I didn't know anyone would port that many. 



On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:46 AM Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






We would just be porting, not moving an NXX. 




From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM 






To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 








Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this 
specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you. Unless 
you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those NXX's 
somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. 




You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to 
a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that, 
without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their 
right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily 
sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit 
outside his rate center. 
In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your 
class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the 
easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. 
Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just 
get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, 
Dialogic. There are so many. 
Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely 
understand. 






On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 









He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants 
covered. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 



Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no 
way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have 
somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to 
reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something 
that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If 
outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your 
LATA right? 
Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip 
list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am 
guessing you talked to someone about it today. 





On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 








NetSapiens does equipment, not service. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some 
alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all 
porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing 
carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell 
you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. 
Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending 
on what you want. 

I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the 
number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I 
don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. 








On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 







I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus 
is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. 


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > 
wrote: 


I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a 
company last week. 

Rory 



-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label 
as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use 
your own ATA). An i

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Lewis Bergman]

Well...Have fun porting 10K numbers. I didn't know anyone would port that
many.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:46 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> We would just be porting, not moving an NXX.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
>
> Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in
> this specific instance.  Maybe I don't.  I am betting just this once it's
> you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get
> those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works.
>
> You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those
> numbers to a different CLI. You can't,  or at least didn't use to be able
> to do that, without paying transport fees.  Last time I tried it they
> refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3
> which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have
> to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center.
>
> In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to
> your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like.
> That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.
>
> Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't
> just get some voip solution and did it himself.  Freepbx, NetSapiens,
> ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many.
>
> Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely
> understand.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants
>> covered.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us.  There
>> is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck.  You have to
>> have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then
>> have to reassign that block to that switch.  You then have to route that to
>> something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure
>> you know.  If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are
>> the only one in your LATA right?
>>
>> Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck.  I saw someone on a
>> voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances.  I
>> am guessing you talked to someone about it today.
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> NetSapiens does equipment, not service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

We have no idea how many will want this.  Currently we have over 5K on pots.  
We have a provider that is willing to do it in the $7 range.  They are already 
serving some of our other areas.
I figured if I could VLAN it to a local provider the quality ought to be 
perfect.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this.. 

Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ? 

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff.  
Some of those people will still want telephone service.  So we need a non 
regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are 
looking for such ?

  i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
issue ?

  We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Fair enough, that explains why you are looking for this.. 

Care to share Price Target ? and Qty / Volume commit ? 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 10:47:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

> We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff. 
> Some
> of those people will still want telephone service. So we need a non regulated
> VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are
> looking for such ?
> i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
> issue ?
> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue
> you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would
>> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local.
>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Thanks Jeff. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 6:40:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

> Happy Birthday Faisal!

> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies , Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 31, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
> wrote:

>> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are
>> looking for such ?

>> i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
>> issue ?

>> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
>> issue
>> you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would
>>> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local.
>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

We are starting to offer stand alone broadband under the neca CBOL tariff.  
Some of those people will still want telephone service.  So we need a non 
regulated VOIP product that will not traverse our regulated equipment.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are 
looking for such ? 

i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
issue ? 

We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue 
you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. 

  We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local. 

  So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

We would just be porting, not moving an NXX.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this 
specific instance.  Maybe I don't.  I am betting just this once it's you. 
Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those 
NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. 

You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to 
a different CLI. You can't,  or at least didn't use to be able to do that, 
without paying transport fees.  Last time I tried it they refused, as is their 
right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily 
sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit 
outside his rate center. 

In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your 
class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the 
easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.

Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just 
get some voip solution and did it himself.  Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, 
Dialogic. There are so many. 

Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely 
understand. 



On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants 
covered.





  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers


  NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us.  There is no 
way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck.  You have to have 
somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to 
reassign that block to that switch.  You then have to route that to something 
that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know.  If 
outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your 
LATA right? 

  Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck.  I saw someone on a voip 
list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances.  I am 
guessing you talked to someone about it today. 



  On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

NetSapiens does equipment, not service.





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers


CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than 
some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of 
all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing 
carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell 
you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. 
Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending 
on what you want. 

I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit 
the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one 
fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only.



On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest 
plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based.

  On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> 
wrote:

I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA.  Finally gave up and 
partnered with a company last week.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully 
white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you 
can't use your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP 
service without any overhead.

We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If you 
want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd •

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Robert Haas]

We've been looking at Toly: https://www.tolydigital.net/ 

https://www.tolydigital.net/products-services/voip-services-get-ahead-of-you
r-competition-with-flexible-options/

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

 

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

 

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

 

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Jaime Solorza]

Happy Birthday...

On Jun 1, 2017 6:52 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I read it. Multiple times. I may be a bit rusty on some aspects, but let's
> break it down.
>
>
> "I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah."
> Yes, that's the complicated part. He can't just go to any random VoIP
> provider and expect his area to be covered. Non-RBOCs are inherently
> difficult to work with on the voice side, so most VoIP providers have
> skipped those areas. It's entirely possible they have an exemption from
> porting. The first indication that this may be a difficult prospect is:
> https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-
> ratecenter-state?ratecenter=EAGLE%20MTN=UT There is no one else in
> that rate center, so it's proven enough of a difficulty where no one has
> gotten their own allocation from NANPA.
>
> "I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider."
> Not exactly a requirement, but a good rule of thumb is that if a CLEC is
> present in a rate center that has local calling to that one, you can port
> the number. http://localcallingguide.com/lca_exch.php?exch=200852 I don't
> know much about Utah, but I recognize the town of Provo, so I'm going to
> guess that someone is located in Provo that would be a local call form
> Cedar Valley. Unfortunately, TelcoData.Us doesn't have the tandem
> information for Direct Communication's switch, so we can't look up what
> other rate centers are off of that tandem to provide further clues as to
> who may be able to port. I didn't read this as he wants to move the entire
> NPA-NXX to another provider (which there are people that do hosted
> switches), but that he wanted to port select numbers to the VoIP provider.
>
> "We need unlimited LD and solid 911."
> Shouldn't be difficult.
>
> "Would prefer someone local."
> There are several CLECs listed in Provo, including the regulars of Onvoy,
> Bandwidth.com, Level 3, etc. so you should be able to find someone
> somewhere. Your other Utah-area operators should be able to say who they
> use for VoIP. Then just look for whichever of them has a gateway in the SLC
> area. They may be hauling back to Seattle or the bay area, both for TDM and
> for IP so you may be looking for whomever has the gateway in those markets.
>
> "So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there."
> I've heard of the company, but obviously those in Utah can better speak to
> their capabilities and reliability.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:36:05 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in
> this specific instance.  Maybe I don't.  I am betting just this once it's
> you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get
> those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works.
>
> You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those
> numbers to a different CLI. You can't,  or at least didn't use to be able
> to do that, without paying transport fees.  Last time I tried it they
> refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3
> which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have
> to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center.
>
> In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to
> your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like.
> That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.
>
> Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't
> just get some voip solution and did it himself.  Freepbx, NetSapiens,
> ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many.
>
> Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely
> understand.
>
> On Wed, Ma

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

I read it. Multiple times. I may be a bit rusty on some aspects, but let's 
break it down. 


"I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah." 
Yes, that's the complicated part. He can't just go to any random VoIP provider 
and expect his area to be covered. Non-RBOCs are inherently difficult to work 
with on the voice side, so most VoIP providers have skipped those areas. It's 
entirely possible they have an exemption from porting. The first indication 
that this may be a difficult prospect is: 
https://www.telcodata.us/search-area-code-exchange-by-ratecenter-state?ratecenter=EAGLE%20MTN=UT
 There is no one else in that rate center, so it's proven enough of a 
difficulty where no one has gotten their own allocation from NANPA. 

"I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider." 
Not exactly a requirement, but a good rule of thumb is that if a CLEC is 
present in a rate center that has local calling to that one, you can port the 
number. http://localcallingguide.com/lca_exch.php?exch=200852 I don't know much 
about Utah, but I recognize the town of Provo, so I'm going to guess that 
someone is located in Provo that would be a local call form Cedar Valley. 
Unfortunately, TelcoData.Us doesn't have the tandem information for Direct 
Communication's switch, so we can't look up what other rate centers are off of 
that tandem to provide further clues as to who may be able to port. I didn't 
read this as he wants to move the entire NPA-NXX to another provider (which 
there are people that do hosted switches), but that he wanted to port select 
numbers to the VoIP provider. 

"We need unlimited LD and solid 911." 
Shouldn't be difficult. 

"Would prefer someone local." 
There are several CLECs listed in Provo, including the regulars of Onvoy, 
Bandwidth.com, Level 3, etc. so you should be able to find someone somewhere. 
Your other Utah-area operators should be able to say who they use for VoIP. 
Then just look for whichever of them has a gateway in the SLC area. They may be 
hauling back to Seattle or the bay area, both for TDM and for IP so you may be 
looking for whomever has the gateway in those markets. 

"So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there." 
I've heard of the company, but obviously those in Utah can better speak to 
their capabilities and reliability. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:36:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in this 
specific instance. Maybe I don't. I am betting just this once it's you. Unless 
you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get those NXX's 
somewhere else you may not be aware how this works. 
You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers to 
a different CLI. You can't, or at least didn't use to be able to do that, 
without paying transport fees. Last time I tried it they refused, as is their 
right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they would happily 
sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the part of the circuit 
outside his rate center. 
In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to your 
class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like. That's the 
easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term. 
Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't just 
get some voip solution and did it himself. Freepbx, NetSapiens, ipifony, 
Dialogic. There are so many. 
Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely 
understand. 


On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants 
covered. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 



Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no 
way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have 
somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to 
reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something 
that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If 
outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your 
LATA right? 
Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip 
list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Happy Birthday Faisal!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 31, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are 
> looking for such ? 
> 
> i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
> issue ? 
> 
> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
> issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. 
>  
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local. 
>  
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are 
looking for such ? 

i.e. a regulatory issue ? A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience issue 
? 

We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core issue 
you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would
> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local.
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Lewis Bergman]

Sorry. That was rude.

On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:36 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in
> this specific instance.  Maybe I don't.  I am betting just this once it's
> you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get
> those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works.
>
> You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those
> numbers to a different CLI. You can't,  or at least didn't use to be able
> to do that, without paying transport fees.  Last time I tried it they
> refused, as is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3
> which they would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have
> to pay the part of the circuit outside his rate center.
>
> In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to
> your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like.
> That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.
>
> Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't
> just get some voip solution and did it himself.  Freepbx, NetSapiens,
> ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many.
>
> Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely
> understand.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants
>> covered.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us.  There
>> is no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck.  You have to
>> have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then
>> have to reassign that block to that switch.  You then have to route that to
>> something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure
>> you know.  If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are
>> the only one in your LATA right?
>>
>> Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck.  I saw someone on a
>> voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances.  I
>> am guessing you talked to someone about it today.
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> NetSapiens does equipment, not service.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive
>>> than some alternatives but if they do wh

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Lewis Bergman]

Maybe you didn't read it. Maybe you don't know whay your talking about in
this specific instance.  Maybe I don't.  I am betting just this once it's
you. Unless you have been a carrier in a remote rate center trying to get
those NXX's somewhere else you may not be aware how this works.

You can't port an NXX. You have to modify the LERG and assign those numbers
to a different CLI. You can't,  or at least didn't use to be able to do
that, without paying transport fees.  Last time I tried it they refused, as
is their right, to do it with anything other than T1's or DS3 which they
would happily sell me. Of course I think Chuck would only have to pay the
part of the circuit outside his rate center.

In short, if you want to send an NXX somewhere, hook some Adtran boxes to
your class 5 and route the NXX to it then send them wherever you like.
That's the easiest solution and likely the cheapest long term.

Voip is way easier than circuit switched. I don't know why Chuck doesn't
just get some voip solution and did it himself.  Freepbx, NetSapiens,
ipifony, Dialogic. There are so many.

Ten again maybe your just sick of the distraction which I can completely
understand.

On Wed, May 31, 2017, 8:11 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants
> covered.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us.  There is
> no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck.  You have to
> have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then
> have to reassign that block to that switch.  You then have to route that to
> something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure
> you know.  If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are
> the only one in your LATA right?
>
> Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck.  I saw someone on a
> voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances.  I
> am guessing you talked to someone about it today.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> NetSapiens does equipment, not service.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than
>> some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100%
>> of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your
>> losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I
>> would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty
>> good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better
>> deal depending on what you want.
>>
>> I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit
>> the nu

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

He's not asking for anything special, other than the ratecenter he wants 
covered. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 7:37:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us. There is no 
way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck. You have to have 
somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then have to 
reassign that block to that switch. You then have to route that to something 
that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure you know. If 
outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are the only one in your 
LATA right? 
Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck. I saw someone on a voip 
list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances. I am 
guessing you talked to someone about it today. 


On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




NetSapiens does equipment, not service. 






- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM 



Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some 
alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all 
porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing 
carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell 
you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. 
Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending 
on what you want. 


I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the 
number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I 
don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. 










On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 







I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus 
is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. 


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > 
wrote: 


I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a 
company last week. 

Rory 



-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label 
as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use 
your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service 
without any overhead. 

We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you want 
more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com . 



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner 
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA 


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. 
> 
> From: Eric Kuhnke 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 
> 
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would 
> usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP 
> server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to 
> different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What 
> you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. 
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. 
>> 
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central 
>> office switch. 
>> I will not be using that for this service. 
>> 
>> From: Eric Kuhnke 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM 
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 
>> 
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross 
>> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone 
>> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to 
>> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service 
>> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will 
>> register to? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Not lookin

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Lewis Bergman]

NetSapiens does software. We have about 25 NXX's assigned to us.  There is
no way a standard voip provider can do what you want Chuck.  You have to
have somebody with an A-Z code and class 5 switch like you have. You then
have to reassign that block to that switch.  You then have to route that to
something that can turn it into voip. Your switch can I guess, I am sure
you know.  If outside your LATA you have to pay mileage. I think you are
the only one in your LATA right?

Anyway. Call me If you want to talk about it Chuck.  I saw someone on a
voip list asking how to do this and describing your exact circumstances.  I
am guessing you talked to someone about it today.

On Wed, May 31, 2017, 11:20 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> NetSapiens does equipment, not service.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than
> some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100%
> of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your
> losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I
> would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty
> good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better
> deal depending on what you want.
>
> I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit
> the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and
> one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest
>> plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud
>> based.
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA.  Finally gave up and
>>> partnered with a company last week.
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully
>>> white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means
>>> you can't use your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone looking to
>>> add VOIP service without any overhead.
>>>
>>> We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If you
>>> want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>>> >
>>> > From: Eric Kuhnke
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>> >
>>> > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would
>>> > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP
>>> > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to
>>> > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What
>>> > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> &g

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

NetSapiens does equipment, not service. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 11:10:23 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 


CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than some 
alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100% of all 
porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your losing 
carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I would tell 
you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty good deal. 
Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better deal depending 
on what you want. 


I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit the 
number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and one fax. I 
don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only. 







On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser < lists.wavel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest plus 
is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud based. 


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > 
wrote: 


I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA. Finally gave up and partnered with a 
company last week. 

Rory 



-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs. It's not fully white label 
as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use 
your own ATA). An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service 
without any overhead. 

We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times. If you want 
more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com . 



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner 
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA 


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip. 
> 
> From: Eric Kuhnke 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 
> 
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would 
> usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP 
> server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to 
> different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What 
> you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip. 
> 
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier. 
>> 
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central 
>> office switch. 
>> I will not be using that for this service. 
>> 
>> From: Eric Kuhnke 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM 
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 
>> 
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP This is a gross 
>> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone 
>> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to 
>> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service 
>> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will 
>> register to? 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Not looking for SIP trunking. The calls will come from and go to an 
>>> ATA in the subscribers home. 
>>> 
>>> From: Eric Kuhnke 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM 
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 
>>> 
>>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we 
>>> talking about? You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider 
>>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted? 
>>> 
>>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of 
>>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they 
>>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)? 
>>> 
>>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind. 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in 
>>>> Utah. I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. 
>>>> 
>>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. 
>>>> 
>>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Lewis Bergman]

CTI uses NetSapiens as do some others. They are a bit more expensive than
some alternatives but if they do what they said they would do (handle 100%
of all porting) that can be worth a bit depending on how big an ass your
losing carrier wants to be. If this is going to be a main revenue source I
would tell you to go ahead and go direct to NS. If not, probably a pretty
good deal. Others on this list, Like Chuck Bender, might make you a better
deal depending on what you want.

I don't do any residential but a key to VoIP success up front is to limit
the number of devices you support. I choose to only support 3 phones and
one fax. I don't do ATA's at all. Trunks I handle with Adtran only.



On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:58 AM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest
> plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud
> based.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA.  Finally gave up and partnered
>> with a company last week.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully white
>> label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you
>> can't use your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone looking to add
>> VOIP service without any overhead.
>>
>> We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If you
>> want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
>> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>> >
>> > From: Eric Kuhnke
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>> >
>> > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would
>> > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP
>> > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to
>> > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What
>> > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip.
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>> >>
>> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central
>> >> office switch.
>> >> I will not be using that for this service.
>> >>
>> >> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>> >>
>> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross
>> >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone
>> >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to
>> >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service
>> >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will
>> register to?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an
>> >>> ATA in the subscribers home.
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>> >>>
>> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we
>> >>> talking about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider
>> >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>> >>>
>> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of
>> >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they
>> >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>> >>>
>> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in
>> >>>> Utah.  I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out
>> there.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I am using the CTI white label solution and it is very reliable, biggest
plus is no hardware and servers to maintain in my office. Its all cloud
based.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:38 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
wrote:

> I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA.  Finally gave up and partnered
> with a company last week.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully white
> label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you
> can't use your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone looking to add
> VOIP service without any overhead.
>
> We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If you
> want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.
>
>
>
> Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
> 650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> > OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
> >
> > From: Eric Kuhnke
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> >
> > Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would
> > usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP
> > server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to
> > different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What
> > you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip.
> >
> > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
> >>
> >> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central
> >> office switch.
> >> I will not be using that for this service.
> >>
> >> From: Eric Kuhnke
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> >>
> >> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross
> >> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone
> >> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to
> >> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service
> >> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will
> register to?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an
> >>> ATA in the subscribers home.
> >>>
> >>> From: Eric Kuhnke
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> >>>
> >>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we
> >>> talking about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider
> >>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
> >>>
> >>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of
> >>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they
> >>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
> >>>
> >>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in
> >>>> Utah.  I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
> >>>>
> >>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
> >>>>
> >>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out
> there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Rory Conaway]

I waited for Ooma since last WISPAPALOOZA.  Finally gave up and partnered with 
a company last week.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rob Genovesi
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully white label 
as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which means you can't use 
your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone looking to add VOIP service 
without any overhead.

We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If you want 
more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would 
> usually define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP 
> server and run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to 
> different providers based on optimal routing to destination. What 
> you're looking for is usually called white label hosted voip.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>>
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central 
>> office switch.
>> I will not be using that for this service.
>>
>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross 
>> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone 
>> on one side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to 
>> have each the ATAs connect individually, directly to the service 
>> provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server which they will 
>> register to?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an 
>>> ATA in the subscribers home.
>>>
>>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we 
>>> talking about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider 
>>> to use with your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>>
>>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of 
>>> your minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they 
>>> might cost an average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>>
>>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in 
>>>> Utah.  I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>>>
>>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>>>>
>>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Rob Genovesi]

Ooma has launched a partnership programs with ISPs.  It's not fully
white label as it requires the customer to use Ooma equipment (which
means you can't use your own ATA).  An interesting option for anyone
looking to add VOIP service without any overhead.

We're not doing this (yet) but have talked to Ooma a few times.  If
you want more info contact Tim Sullivan: tim.sulli...@ooma.com.



Rob Genovesi • Coastside.Net • Owner
650-712-5900 • 525B Obispo Rd • Half Moon Bay CA


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually
> define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run
> the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based
> on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called
> white label hosted voip.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>>
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office
>> switch.
>> I will not be using that for this service.
>>
>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification
>> but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and
>> ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs
>> connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to
>> run your own VoIP server which they will register to?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
>>> in the subscribers home.
>>>
>>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
>>> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
>>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>>
>>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
>>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
>>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>>
>>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
>>>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>>>
>>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>>>>
>>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck I run my own server but If you don't want to do that I think CTI does a 
white label?  http://www.converge-tech.com/WholesaleVoIP-s/1840.htm I am in no 
way endorsing this service or any other :)


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:56:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I don't do that, but now you know what to ask for when talking to voip 
companies' sales reps...If your usage would be under $500/mo I recommend 
going with something whitelabel you can sign up for online and pay via credit 
card, no need to get sales reps or a quote process involved. Such as 
voip.ms<http://voip.ms> or a competitor.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define 
it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the 
traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on 
optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white 
label hosted voip.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.

No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office switch.
I will not be using that for this service.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification but 
in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and 
SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, 
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server 
which they will register to?



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the 
subscribers home.

From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about?  
You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP 
system, or you want it fully hosted?

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?

Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Mike Hammett]

Don't VoIP providers typically shy away from non-RBOCs? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:44:36 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers 




I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah. I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. 

We need unlimited LD and solid 911. Would prefer someone local. 

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

I don't do that, but now you know what to ask for when talking to voip
companies' sales reps...If your usage would be under $500/mo I
recommend going with something whitelabel you can sign up for online and
pay via credit card, no need to get sales reps or a quote process involved.
Such as voip.ms or a competitor.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually
> define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and
> run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers
> based on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually
> called white label hosted voip.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>>
>> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office
>> switch.
>> I will not be using that for this service.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross
>> oversimplification but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one
>> side, and ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the
>> ATAs connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan
>> to run your own VoIP server which they will register to?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
>>> in the subscribers home.
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>>
>>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
>>> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
>>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>>
>>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
>>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
>>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>>
>>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
>>>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>>>
>>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>>>>
>>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

OK, then quote me white label hosted voip.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually define 
it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and run the 
traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers based on 
optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually called white 
label hosted voip.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.  

  No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office 
switch.  
  I will not be using that for this service.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification 
but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP 
and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, 
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server 
which they will register to? 



  On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in 
the subscribers home.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking 
about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your 
own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?   

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?  


Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

  We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

  So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

Okay so that's not wholesale voip as telecom sales people would usually
define it. Wholesale usually meaning you connect your own SIP server and
run the traffic through a trunk, or set of trunks to different providers
based on optimal routing to destination. What you're looking for is usually
called white label hosted voip.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.
>
> No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office
> switch.
> I will not be using that for this service.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification
> but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and
> ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs
> connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to
> run your own VoIP server which they will register to?
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
>> in the subscribers home.
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>>
>> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
>> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
>> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>>
>> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
>> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
>> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>>
>> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
>>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>>
>>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>>>
>>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[David Milholen]

I think Lewis is doing something in voip..

We use sotel as the global provider.



On 5/30/2017 4:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  
I would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.


--

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

Each ATA will register to the VOIP supplier.  

No, I already have a VoIP server called a GenBand Class 5 central office 
switch.  
I will not be using that for this service.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification but 
in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and ethernet/IP and 
SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs connect individually, 
directly to the service provider, or do you plan to run your own VoIP server 
which they will register to? 



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in 
the subscribers home.  

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

  How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking 
about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your 
own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?   

  What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?  


  Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

  On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I 
would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

I think you may misunderstand VoIP  This is a gross oversimplification
but in general an ATA speaks analog POTS/dialtone on one side, and
ethernet/IP and SIP on the other. Do you intend to have each the ATAs
connect individually, directly to the service provider, or do you plan to
run your own VoIP server which they will register to?



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA
> in the subscribers home.
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
> about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
> your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?
>
> What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
> minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
> average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?
>
> Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
>> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>>
>> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>>
>> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Chuck McCown]

Not looking for SIP trunking.  The calls will come from and go to an ATA in the 
subscribers home.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking about?  
You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with your own VoIP 
system, or you want it fully hosted?   

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your 
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an 
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?  


Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.  

  We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.  

  So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.  

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Eric Kuhnke]

How many DIDs and how many minutes/month of SIP trunking are we talking
about?  You're looking for a whoelsale SIP trunking provider to use with
your own VoIP system, or you want it fully hosted?

What kind of monthly spend are you looking at if you took all of your
minutes/month and figured that via wholesale SIP trunk they might cost an
average of 7/10ths of 1 cent per minute (0.007/min)?

Voxbeam, Flowroute and Voip Innovations come to mind.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I
> would port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider.
>
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local.
>
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there.
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP Paging adapters/amplifiers

[Ken Hohhof]

Do they already have the speaker?  Is it an amplified speaker?  Is it used for 
anything else?

How much of your time will go into this?  How much is your time worth?  Can you 
bill the customer for your time?  What about equipment?

The CyberData SIP PAs are expensive, but they are also plug-and-play and very 
reliable, and have a good warranty.  I would just use one of them and charge 
the customer either as a one-time purchase or a monthly lease.  If you end up 
MacGyvering something, make sure you charge them for your time, if you screw 
around with it for a day there goes $400.  Now, if you can come up with a $30 
solution and you do these on a weekly basis, that's different.

If $30 is really all the customer is willing to pay, maybe they should be doing 
it themselves or paying somebody else.  Sounds like a money loser for you, 
unless they buy tons of other stuff from you and this would just be a loss 
leader to retain the customer.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:16 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP Paging adapters/amplifiers

It's been a couple years since I've installed a paging amplifier.  I have used 
the Cyberdata amplifiers before, is there anything better/cheaper out there 
now?  The Cyberdata one's are still like $400+ I'm looking to cover a smallish 
shipping department, so 1 speaker is probably adequate.

The boss did a website chat with Grandstream, who told him he can just plug a 
speaker into the $20 ATA (Without giving him any details as to how that is 
accomplished), I don't think it's quite that simple, but now he's convinced 
that this is a max $30 project.

It looks like you could do an ATA to an analog paging amplifier for somewhere 
in the neighborhood of like $150+speakers, but that seems clunky.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Legality Canada

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Define "host"

On Dec 12, 2016 9:00 AM, "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:

> Thanks that's exactly what I was looking for.  I remembered there were 3
> things we needed - one of them was registering ourselves as a carrier for
> it.  Thanks again.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:58:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Legality Canada
>
> VOIP requirements - suggest a telecom lawyer who can help answer better …
> this will help though:  http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/phone/911/voip.htm <
> http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/phone/911/voip.htm>
>
> Not aware of any call record requirements - we keep call records for a
> minimal amount of time but some providers keep them for years
>
>
> > On Dec 12, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > If I recall the basic requirements for you to legally host VOIP in
> Canada were that there is accurate and up to date 911 information per
> account, and that call records were held for a certain period of years?
> Correct?
> >
> > Anyone know if there are forms and such to fill out to send to the CRTC
> etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Legality Canada

[Steve]

Thanks that's exactly what I was looking for.  I remembered there were 3 things 
we needed - one of them was registering ourselves as a carrier for it.  Thanks 
again. 

- Original Message -
From: "Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 9:58:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Legality Canada

VOIP requirements - suggest a telecom lawyer who can help answer better …  this 
will help though:  http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/phone/911/voip.htm 
<http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/phone/911/voip.htm>

Not aware of any call record requirements - we keep call records for a minimal 
amount of time but some providers keep them for years 


> On Dec 12, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> If I recall the basic requirements for you to legally host VOIP in Canada 
> were that there is accurate and up to date 911 information per account, and 
> that call records were held for a certain period of years?  Correct?  
> 
> Anyone know if there are forms and such to fill out to send to the CRTC etc?

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Legality Canada

[Paul Stewart]

VOIP requirements - suggest a telecom lawyer who can help answer better …  this 
will help though:  http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/phone/911/voip.htm 


Not aware of any call record requirements - we keep call records for a minimal 
amount of time but some providers keep them for years 


> On Dec 12, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Steve  wrote:
> 
> 
> If I recall the basic requirements for you to legally host VOIP in Canada 
> were that there is accurate and up to date 911 information per account, and 
> that call records were held for a certain period of years?  Correct?  
> 
> Anyone know if there are forms and such to fill out to send to the CRTC etc? 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Ken Hohhof]

If you put a small PBX at the customer’s site rather than centralized, the 
Grandstream UCM series with Grandstream IP phones make it pretty easy.  You can 
create global and model templates, then to add a phone you basically tell the 
PBX the MAC address, extension number, and person’s name, then plug in the 
phone and the PBX pushes the config out to the phone.


From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

Really looking for a platform that has as close to zero phone config as 
possible. Easy management, hopefully someone to do all the 911 and so forth as 
that was a pain last time. The ability to copy phone configs would be nice.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
wrote:

  I always felt Yealinks felt EXTREMELY cheap, but in terms of function I've 
heard nothing bad.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Before I ever saw a Yealink phone I thought they would be super terrible 
and cheesy, given how weird the name is.


Then I bought a SIP-T22P for $60 to test out and was pleasantly surprised. 
The http setup interface is quite full featured and the phones are very easy to 
use with Asterisk/FreePBX.  


If you don't care about color screens and fancy features like pairing with 
bluetooth headsets, Yealinks can be found for $55-65 each...  My main phone is 
now a SIP-T28P. 


My only complaint about them is that they are not as heavy as they should 
be, and change positions on a desk, which can be fixed by supergluing some 
steel or lead weights into the hollow parts of the snap-on 45 degree angle desk 
stand.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Andreas Wiatowski 
<andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:

  We are using mostly grandstream ATA.  We are mainly using this platform 
for Business PBX…so Grandstream, Yeahlink and Polycom sip phones.



  Cheers,

  __

  Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

  Silo Wireless Inc.

  Email  andr...@silowireless.com

  19 Sage Court

  Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

  Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:51 AM


  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted


  What are folks using for CPE?



On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski 
<andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:



We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with 
channels and share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K 
investment and yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….



Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email  andr...@silowireless.com

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos 
WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted



I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is 
keeping up with the security updates.



I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage. 



Jim Bouse

Owner

Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted



I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and 
am wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think 
I need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few 
others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many use 
Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Lewis Bergman]

Really looking for a platform that has as close to zero phone config as
possible. Easy management, hopefully someone to do all the 911 and so forth
as that was a pain last time. The ability to copy phone configs would be
nice.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:09 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> I always felt Yealinks felt EXTREMELY cheap, but in terms of function I've
> heard nothing bad.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Before I ever saw a Yealink phone I thought they would be super terrible
>> and cheesy, given how weird the name is.
>>
>> Then I bought a SIP-T22P for $60 to test out and was pleasantly
>> surprised. The http setup interface is quite full featured and the phones
>> are very easy to use with Asterisk/FreePBX.
>>
>> If you don't care about color screens and fancy features like pairing
>> with bluetooth headsets, Yealinks can be found for $55-65 each...  My main
>> phone is now a SIP-T28P.
>>
>> My only complaint about them is that they are not as heavy as they should
>> be, and change positions on a desk, which can be fixed by supergluing some
>> steel or lead weights into the hollow parts of the snap-on 45 degree angle
>> desk stand.
>>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <
>> andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:
>>
> We are using mostly grandstream ATA.  We are mainly using this platform
>>> for Business PBX…so Grandstream, Yeahlink and Polycom sip phones.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>> __
>>>
>>> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>>>
>>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>>
>>> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>>>
>>> 19 Sage Court
>>>
>>> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>>>
>>> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
>>> +1.866.727.4138
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:51 AM
>>>
>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What are folks using for CPE?
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <
>>> andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels
>>> and share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment
>>> and yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> __
>>>
>>> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>>>
>>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>>
>>> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>>>
>>> 19 Sage Court
>>>
>>> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>>>
>>> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
>>> +1.866.727.4138
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is
>>> keeping up with the security updates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Bouse
>>>
>>> Owner
>>>
>>> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>>>
>>> 979-985-5912
>>>
>>> j...@brazoswifi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am
>>> wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think
>>> I need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few
>>> others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many
>>> use Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Josh Luthman]

I always felt Yealinks felt EXTREMELY cheap, but in terms of function I've
heard nothing bad.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Before I ever saw a Yealink phone I thought they would be super terrible
> and cheesy, given how weird the name is.
>
> Then I bought a SIP-T22P for $60 to test out and was pleasantly surprised.
> The http setup interface is quite full featured and the phones are very
> easy to use with Asterisk/FreePBX.
>
> If you don't care about color screens and fancy features like pairing with
> bluetooth headsets, Yealinks can be found for $55-65 each...  My main phone
> is now a SIP-T28P.
>
> My only complaint about them is that they are not as heavy as they should
> be, and change positions on a desk, which can be fixed by supergluing some
> steel or lead weights into the hollow parts of the snap-on 45 degree angle
> desk stand.
>
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <
> andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:
>
>> We are using mostly grandstream ATA.  We are mainly using this platform
>> for Business PBX…so Grandstream, Yeahlink and Polycom sip phones.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> __
>>
>> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>>
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>
>> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>>
>> 19 Sage Court
>>
>> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>>
>> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
>> +1.866.727.4138
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:51 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>>
>>
>>
>> What are folks using for CPE?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <andr...@silowireless.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels
>> and share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment
>> and yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> __
>>
>> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>>
>> Silo Wireless Inc.
>>
>> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>>
>> 19 Sage Court
>>
>> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>>
>> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
>> +1.866.727.4138
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is
>> keeping up with the security updates.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>>
>> Owner
>>
>> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>>
>> 979-985-5912
>>
>> j...@brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>>
>>
>>
>> I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am
>> wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think
>> I need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few
>> others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many
>> use Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Gino Villarini]

Andreas, how is the management? can you provide your customer with user
access to their pbx instances? What HW are you running them on?

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <
andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:

> We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels
> and share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment
> and yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
> +1.866.727.4138
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Bouse [Brazos
> WiFi]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>
>
>
> I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is
> keeping up with the security updates.
>
>
>
> I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>
>
>
> I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am
> wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think
> I need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few
> others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many
> use Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Eric Kuhnke]

Before I ever saw a Yealink phone I thought they would be super terrible
and cheesy, given how weird the name is.

Then I bought a SIP-T22P for $60 to test out and was pleasantly surprised.
The http setup interface is quite full featured and the phones are very
easy to use with Asterisk/FreePBX.

If you don't care about color screens and fancy features like pairing with
bluetooth headsets, Yealinks can be found for $55-65 each...  My main phone
is now a SIP-T28P.

My only complaint about them is that they are not as heavy as they should
be, and change positions on a desk, which can be fixed by supergluing some
steel or lead weights into the hollow parts of the snap-on 45 degree angle
desk stand.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <
andr...@silowireless.com> wrote:

> We are using mostly grandstream ATA.  We are mainly using this platform
> for Business PBX…so Grandstream, Yeahlink and Polycom sip phones.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
> +1.866.727.4138
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:51 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>
>
>
> What are folks using for CPE?
>
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <andr...@silowireless.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels
> and share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment
> and yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
> +1.866.727.4138
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>
>
>
> I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is
> keeping up with the security updates.
>
>
>
> I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>
>
>
> I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am
> wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think
> I need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few
> others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many
> use Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Andreas Wiatowski]

We are using mostly grandstream ATA.  We are mainly using this platform for 
Business PBX…so Grandstream, Yeahlink and Polycom sip phones.

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

What are folks using for CPE?

On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski 
<andr...@silowireless.com<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>> wrote:

We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels and 
share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment and yearly 
maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com<mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is keeping 
up with the security updates.

I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com<mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am 
wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think I 
need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few others. 
Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many use 
Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Paul Stewart]

What are folks using for CPE?

> On Aug 11, 2016, at 10:49 AM, Andreas Wiatowski <andr...@silowireless.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels and 
> share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment and 
> yearly maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage…. <>
>  
> Cheers,
> __
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
> Silo Wireless Inc.
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com <mailto:andr...@silowireless.com>
> 19 Sage Court
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
> +1.866.727.4138
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>  
> I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is keeping 
> up with the security updates.
>  
> I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage. 
>  
> Jim Bouse
> Owner
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> j...@brazoswifi.com <mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>  
> I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am 
> wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think I 
> need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few 
> others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many use 
> Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Andreas Wiatowski]

We use Bicom Systems Muti Tenant PBX .  Buy a trunk or two with channels and 
share with all your instances…..works great…. About an 8K investment and yearly 
maintenance/licencing… Easy to manage….

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is keeping 
up with the security updates.

I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com<mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am 
wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think I 
need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few others. 
Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many use 
Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I think the core issue is not one system better than another, but a clear 
evaluation of of related activities. 

i.e. Full features of build vs buy (Billing / CDR, Rating, Provisioning, LCR 
and Account abuse management, last one being very important) 

How much internal resources does one have available ? Access to these resources 
as outsource / external basis ? 

A properly configured inhouse system can offer a great amount of flexibility... 
but does come at the cost of having some (a fair) amount of internal or 
outsource tech expertise being available. 

Going with an canned system, may offer an initial perception of having low or 
no internal need for such resources, but one needs to verify if that would be 
the case for them, and also to what degree they give up flexibility if any. 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 8:50:56 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

> I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am
> wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think I
> need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few 
> others.
> Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many use
> Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Lewis,

Convergence Technologies has a hosted PBX solution that you can re-sell for
very reasonable rates. Think its like $9.99/month per device. They can port
local numbers as well. I went with them because there was absolutely no
upfront hardware costs and i don't have to have any equipment on site. The
Ipifony solution will require about $15k upfront in hardware costs and you
have to have rackspace for all this hardware. The CTI solution allowed me
to get into the voip business without having to invest upfront. If you want
details about this check them out.
http://www.converge-tech.com/Pro1Voice-s/1838.htm

Their voip is based on the Netsapiens platform and i have never had a
problem with it once i figured out how to do everything on my own with that
platform, the support staff they have was going through some transitions
and i had a few times support wasn't very responsive but since i figured
out how to fix my own mistakes i havn't had a problem with it since.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  wrote:

> I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is
> keeping up with the security updates.
>
>
>
> I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted
>
>
>
> I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am
> wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think
> I need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few
> others. Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many
> use Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I’ve got 41 freepbx instances running on a VM host.  The challenge is keeping 
up with the security updates.

I’m moving to iPiFony right now so I have less to manage.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 7:51 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP PBX - Hosted

I am considering getting back into this business in 6 more months and am 
wondering what all are using. I still really like IPiFony but I don't think I 
need that much hand holding now. Have been looking at FreePBX and a few others. 
Since this group is full of opinions, lets have some. I know many use 
Netsapiens and I even respect some of them ;)

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Adam Moffett]

The largest amount of time I ever wasted on VoIP was with a customer who 
brought their own devices.  They were trying to use mostly Android/iOS 
apps.  The results were inconsistent.




-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/16/2016 4:10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

I wouldn’t want to support any VoIP device unless (1) I had tested it 
in the lab, (2) I had templates for how to set up all the parameters, 
and (3) I had a test phone in the lab for troubleshooting.  Hence a 
supported devices list.  It’s your choice whether to offer the customer 
the option of configuring and using their own phone with the 
understanding you won’t support it.  Personally that sounds like a bad 
idea, because you get into a pissing match whether a problem is with 
your service, or the unsupported device, and it’s your fault until you 
prove it’s not.


From:Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:03 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and 
customer's self installing their radios.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a 
customer.
Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally 
we run into the customer that just wants
use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell 
em a new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer

wants to use their grandstream phone.

Thanks
Dave

--

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Josh Luthman]

Can we make fun of BroFi yet?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:12 PM, David  wrote:

> Better yet a  tower that emits Magic WIFI for 40 miles and any device can
> click on it :)
> Or some customers call it WEE-FEE... OMG..
>
>
> On 06/16/2016 03:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and customer's
> self installing their radios.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a
>> customer.
>> Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally we
>> run into the customer that just wants
>> use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell em a
>> new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
>> wants to use their grandstream phone.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[David]

Better yet a  tower that emits Magic WIFI for 40 miles and any device 
can click on it :)

Or some customers call it WEE-FEE... OMG..


On 06/16/2016 03:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and 
customer's self installing their radios.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David > wrote:


Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a
customer.
Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but
occasionally we run into the customer that just wants
use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to
sell em a new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
wants to use their grandstream phone.

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Ken Hohhof]

I wouldn’t want to support any VoIP device unless (1) I had tested it in the 
lab, (2) I had templates for how to set up all the parameters, and (3) I had a 
test phone in the lab for troubleshooting.  Hence a supported devices list.  
It’s your choice whether to offer the customer the option of configuring and 
using their own phone with the understanding you won’t support it.  Personally 
that sounds like a bad idea, because you get into a pissing match whether a 
problem is with your service, or the unsupported device, and it’s your fault 
until you prove it’s not.

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and customer's self 
installing their radios.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

  Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a customer.
  Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally we run 
into the customer that just wants 
  use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell em a new 
phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
  wants to use their grandstream phone.

  Thanks
  Dave


  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] voip sip service

[Josh Luthman]

Personally I wouldn't.  That's like having your Cambium APs and customer's
self installing their radios.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 4:01 PM, David  wrote:

> Ok, I need some insight on providing just a single voip line to a customer.
> Currently we are just resellers for a voip provider but occasionally we
> run into the customer that just wants
> use their own cheap grandstream phone and our provider wants to sell em a
> new phone with service. which isnt bad but customer
> wants to use their grandstream phone.
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Just started re-selling Convergenc Technology's voip. They are somewhere
around $10/month per each line/DID. So far I am liking it and you do get a
portal re-branded with your logo.

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> We can.
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 4:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
>
>
> So you can’t offer VOIP yourself as a service to your ILEC customers?
> Just curious …
>
>
>
> The way I’ve seen it done with SILEC’s not in US were that customers could
> take whatever the SILEC was offering for services anywhere (ie. VOIP) but
> in regulated territory the customer had to take dial-tone anyways before
> they could get DSL which then they could use for VOIP and typically
> wouldn’t bother as they already had POTS anyways.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* May 26, 2016 6:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
>
>
>
> Just like to give my ILEC customers a non regulated option.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
>
>
>
> I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.
>
>
>
> The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:
> residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply
> those are mutually exclusive).  Business probably has the best profit
> potential as well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business
> and not just make broadband customers stickier.  But business VoIP is more
> demanding as far as advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize
> features and GUI, and automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and
> backup/restore so that labor doesn’t eat you alive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
>
>
>
> Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
>
>
>
> You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in
> involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VOIP
>
>
>
> What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality
> service for resale.
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Chuck McCown]

We can.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2016 4:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

So you can’t offer VOIP yourself as a service to your ILEC customers?  Just 
curious …

 

The way I’ve seen it done with SILEC’s not in US were that customers could take 
whatever the SILEC was offering for services anywhere (ie. VOIP) but in 
regulated territory the customer had to take dial-tone anyways before they 
could get DSL which then they could use for VOIP and typically wouldn’t bother 
as they already had POTS anyways.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: May 26, 2016 6:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

Just like to give my ILEC customers a non regulated option.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.

 

The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:  
residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those 
are mutually exclusive).  Business probably has the best profit potential as 
well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make 
broadband customers stickier.  But business VoIP is more demanding as far as 
advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and 
automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor 
doesn’t eat you alive.

 

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

 

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Paul Stewart]

So you can’t offer VOIP yourself as a service to your ILEC customers?  Just 
curious …

 

The way I’ve seen it done with SILEC’s not in US were that customers could take 
whatever the SILEC was offering for services anywhere (ie. VOIP) but in 
regulated territory the customer had to take dial-tone anyways before they 
could get DSL which then they could use for VOIP and typically wouldn’t bother 
as they already had POTS anyways.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: May 26, 2016 6:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

Just like to give my ILEC customers a non regulated option.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>  

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.

 

The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:  
residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those 
are mutually exclusive).  Business probably has the best profit potential as 
well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make 
broadband customers stickier.  But business VoIP is more demanding as far as 
advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and 
automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor 
doesn’t eat you alive.

 

 

From: Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>  

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

 

From: Paul Stewart <mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>  

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

The eternal loaded question... 
Expense 
Quality 
Delivery 

One has to find the balance between the three, you can have any two as long as 
you are willing to compromise on the 3rd. 

Voice service are pretty easy to bring in house and offer (with the right type 
of setup, it is a bit of work, but nothing outrageous , with less than optimal 
setup, it is a continuous compromise on different aspects of the service). 

If you have some Linux / server hosting skills we can help you bring it 
in-house. While it is possible to slice this as an outsourced / hosted service 
but the value proposition can become very much similar to others... give or 
take.. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 6:29:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

> Just like to give my ILEC customers a non regulated option.
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
> I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.
> The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:
> residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those
> are mutually exclusive). Business probably has the best profit potential as
> well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make
> broadband customers stickier. But business VoIP is more demanding as far as
> advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and
> automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor
> doesn’t eat you alive.
> From: Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
> Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.
> From: Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

> You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
> involved
> (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

> What is the best value for reselling VOIP? As in buying low, good quality
> service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[chuck]

Just like to give my ILEC customers a non regulated option.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.

The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:  
residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those 
are mutually exclusive).  Business probably has the best profit potential as 
well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make 
broadband customers stickier.  But business VoIP is more demanding as far as 
advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and 
automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor 
doesn’t eat you alive.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Robert Haas]

We are currently looking at Toly Digital: www.tolydigital.net
 

Under an NDA about the pricing, but I can say the profit margin is a lot
better than some of the other hosted solutions we looked at also their
front-end and back-end systems aren't so complex that the CSR's can't handle
basic orders.

 

We're also looking at moving some of the Ilec LD to them as well.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Pulsar360 has a great residual recurring resale model (you get X
  per line every month from Pulsar360). You're first line of
  defense, but after it's known to not be a network issue, Pulsar
  support kicks in. Their primary product is hosted PBX (or
  single-line), but they also support and will help provision ATAs
  for residential service. They bill the customer directly so it's
  not white-label.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 5/26/16 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:


  
  
  
  

  Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps
profitable.
  

   
  
From: Paul Stewart

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP
  

 
  
  

  You’re
  specifically asking about resell and having no “moving
  parts” in involved (ie. Using your own softswitch
  etc)?
   
  

  From: Af
  [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck
  McCown
  Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

  
   
  

  
What
is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in
buying low, good quality service for resale.
  

  

  

  


  

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Ken Hohhof]

I’ve never had much luck with a straight resale model for anything.

The answer also probably depends on what you are mainly going after:  
residential, business hosted PBX, or business onsite PBX (not to imply those 
are mutually exclusive).  Business probably has the best profit potential as 
well as the ability to actually bring in broadband business and not just make 
broadband customers stickier.  But business VoIP is more demanding as far as 
advanced features, nice GUI, ability to customize features and GUI, and 
automating your tasks like adds/moves/changes and backup/restore so that labor 
doesn’t eat you alive.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, cheap and easy and hopefully good and perhaps profitable.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

You’re specifically asking about resell and having no “moving parts” in 
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality 
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Jon Bruce]

I've seen and heard really good things about Ipiphony.

On 5/26/2016 1:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good 
quality service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP

[Paul Stewart]

You're specifically asking about resell and having no "moving parts" in
involved (ie. Using your own softswitch etc)?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: May 26, 2016 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP

 

What is the best value for reselling VOIP?  As in buying low, good quality
service for resale.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Kurt Fankhauser]

CTI offers the Netsapiens VOIP in a (cloud based) solution for you. They
have all the servers and equipment, basically all you do is log into their
web interface and and associate DID's they provide you (after you request
them) with SIP enabled devices.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:

> What do they provide to you?  Are the servers/pbx in your NOC?  Support?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:43:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
>
> Probably CTI, i am starting some testing with their VOIP offering right
> now, if it works as i suspect going to be rolling it out here in next
> couple months. Cost is $9/month for residential and $19-20 for business
> DID's.
>
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
>
> > Which VOIP provider do you use?  I seem to recall at a show couple years
> > ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also
> > provide the server.  I can't recall some of their names.
> >
> > If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend?
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Ken Hohhof]

Can you clarify what kind of VOIP Provider you are looking for?

Do you want a SIP trunk provider with origination and/or termination plus 
backoffice like DIDs and number porting?  And you will provide your own 
Asterisk box or other PBX?  This type of service will usually be priced 
$X/month per DID plus $Y per minute for origination and termination based on 
some rate deck.  Plus maybe some one-time fees for things like number 
porting and directory listings.


Or do you want a hosted virtual PBX that you just brand and resell?  You 
might be able to find this for a flat rate per month for unlimited domestic 
calling, subject to some restrictions about call centers.


And do you want business hosted PBX service to resell, or just residential 
single lines?



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

Quick question -

For those of you on this list who currently have a voip provider, if
you could hit me up off list with what your current rates are, it
would be greatly appreciated.

Our VOIP provider is a personal friend, and has distributed switching
centers in several major US markets. He/We are considering rolling out
a portal platform for ISP, but we need a better idea of what people
are currently being charged so that we can make it as competitive as
possible. This is *strictly* research right now, we are not ready to
offer a product yet.

Thank you

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
Which VOIP provider do you use?  I seem to recall at a show couple years 
ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also 
provide the server.  I can't recall some of their names.


If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend? 

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Probably CTI, i am starting some testing with their VOIP offering right
now, if it works as i suspect going to be rolling it out here in next
couple months. Cost is $9/month for residential and $19-20 for business
DID's.

On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Steve  wrote:

> Which VOIP provider do you use?  I seem to recall at a show couple years
> ago some of them would charge $6-8 a customer, do the support, and also
> provide the server.  I can't recall some of their names.
>
> If so which ones do you use and which methodology do you recommend?
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Eric Kuhnke]

voip.ms has several east coast nodes, along with Montreal and Toronto. Not
the absolutely best SIP trunk pricing, but close enough.

If I couldn't use them, I would go with voxbeam.
On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Sam Kirsch"  wrote:

> I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking
> for any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class
> VoIP Provider?  Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues
> over the last several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get
> our inbound calls to another provider.
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net *
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net
> *
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Craig Schmaderer]

Yeah, this is getting very annoying.  never had any issues with them for years, 
now this past month have sucked, Chuck you use that for beehive?  So like huge 
volume and you don't have any issues with them?



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

I use Xmission in SLC.  No problems.

From: Sam Kirsch<mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking for 
any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class VoIP 
Provider?  Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues over the 
last several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get our inbound 
calls to another provider.

-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | 
sam...@plexicomm.net<mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Bruce Robertson]

+1 on voip.ms.  Love 'em.

On 03/16/2016 10:18 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Not that I know of. I use voip.ms  for basically three 
reasons. Their website/https based administration UI for accounts is 
fairly full featured. They have servers in Seattle and in Vancouver, 
at both of the major carrier hotels. Third, they're Canadian based, so 
free poutine with every 20th DID ordered.


On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:


ahhh, is this the outfit that took over broadvox?


On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Eric Kuhnke
> wrote:

voip.ms  has several east coast nodes, along
with Montreal and Toronto. Not the absolutely best SIP trunk
pricing, but close enough.

If I couldn't use them, I would go with voxbeam.

On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Sam Kirsch" > wrote:

I know not everyone on this list does phone services but
I'm just looking for any suggestions we may not have
considered yet for a good carrier class VoIP Provider? 
Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues

over the last several weeks and we're looking port out all
our DIDs to get our inbound calls to another provider.
*-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
**
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109  |
Fax: 1.866.852.4688 *
*Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713  |
*sam...@plexicomm.net* *




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.


!DSPAM:2,56e99574123524982885734! 

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Lewis Bergman]

Level3 is hard to beat for reliability buy they aren't the easiest to work
with. Price is also higher.
VoIP innovations is working with the FBI. No idea if the FBI cares or not
about this sort of thing. I would think homeland security would look at it
as an attack on the public utility services.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 7:08 PM Bruce Robertson  wrote:

> +1 on voip.ms.  Love 'em.
>
>
> On 03/16/2016 10:18 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Not that I know of. I use voip.ms for basically three reasons. Their
> website/https based administration UI for accounts is fairly full featured.
> They have servers in Seattle and in Vancouver, at both of the major carrier
> hotels. Third, they're Canadian based, so free poutine with every 20th DID
> ordered.
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ahhh, is this the outfit that took over broadvox?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
> voip.ms has several east coast nodes, along with Montreal and Toronto.
>>> Not the absolutely best SIP trunk pricing, but close enough.
>>>
>>> If I couldn't use them, I would go with voxbeam.
>>> On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Sam Kirsch"  wrote:
>>>
 I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just
 looking for any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good
 carrier class VoIP Provider?  Our current one has just had too many
 repetitive issues over the last several weeks and we're looking port out
 all our DIDs to get our inbound calls to another provider.


 *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support Plexicomm - Internet Solutions |
 www.plexicomm.net  *
 * Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
 *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
 sam...@plexicomm.net  *


>>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
> !DSPAM:2,56e99574123524982885734!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Paul Stewart]

LOL re: poutine .. I haven’t gotten any from them yet haha

 

I use their service personally and been pretty happy …. Yeah, their web UI is 
pretty feature rich compared to many I’ve seen ….  I keep meaning to move my 
personal services over to our platform at dayjob sometime though (free) …. 
Thanks for reminder ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

 

Not that I know of. I use voip.ms <http://voip.ms>  for basically three 
reasons. Their website/https based administration UI for accounts is fairly 
full featured. They have servers in Seattle and in Vancouver, at both of the 
major carrier hotels. Third, they're Canadian based, so free poutine with every 
20th DID ordered. 

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

ahhh, is this the outfit that took over broadvox?

 

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com 
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > wrote:

voip.ms <http://voip.ms>  has several east coast nodes, along with Montreal and 
Toronto. Not the absolutely best SIP trunk pricing, but close enough.

If I couldn't use them, I would go with voxbeam.

On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Sam Kirsch" <sam...@plexicomm.net 
<mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> > wrote:

I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking for 
any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class VoIP 
Provider?  Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues over the 
last several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get our inbound 
calls to another provider.

 

-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net> 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <tel:1.866.759.4678%20x109>  | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 
 

Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713   | sam...@plexicomm.net 
<mailto:sam...@plexicomm.net> 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Ken Hohhof]

I heard the number 5 x 10GbE.  I didn’t hear this direct from VI, so could be 
wrong.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 7:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

Uhhh... you can't put a SIP server (or a small cluster of them) on a CDN cache 
like you can with http/https content.  


This is not a problem you can solve with Cloudflare. Only by finding a host 
that is directly at a major IX point and has enough spare capacity to absorb 
DDoS.


I would be curious to know the network topology one or two hops upstream from 
voip innovations, how many bundles of 10GbE circuits it is, and what 
aggregation router/switch they're connected to. 


On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  They need to pony up the cash to Arbor Networks, Akamai, SOMEONE to mitigate 
these DDoSes.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Sam Kirsch" <sam...@plexicomm.net>
  To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:40:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations


  Yeah, its been another fun day for me.  Two additional DDoS attacks so far 
today, 9:15-9:45 and 10:10-continuing.  

  -- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
  Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
  Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
  Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net



  -- Original Message --
  From: "Craig Schmaderer" <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
  To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: 3/16/2016 10:38:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

I assume you are talking about Voip innovations?  looks like they are down 
again.







From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sam Kirsch 
<sam...@plexicomm.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations 

I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking 
for any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class 
VoIP Provider?  Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues over 
the last several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get our 
inbound calls to another provider.

-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Mike Hammett]

The most important is who is closest to you in terms of the Internet. Choose 
someone you can peer with. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 7:16:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations 


Level3 is hard to beat for reliability buy they aren't the easiest to work 
with. Price is also higher. 
VoIP innovations is working with the FBI. No idea if the FBI cares or not about 
this sort of thing. I would think homeland security would look at it as an 
attack on the public utility services. 


On Wed, Mar 16, 2016, 7:08 PM Bruce Robertson < br...@pooh.com > wrote: 



+1 on voip.ms . Love 'em. 



On 03/16/2016 10:18 AM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: 




Not that I know of. I use voip.ms for basically three reasons. Their 
website/https based administration UI for accounts is fairly full featured. 
They have servers in Seattle and in Vancouver, at both of the major carrier 
hotels. Third, they're Canadian based, so free poutine with every 20th DID 
ordered. 







On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 










ahhh, is this the outfit that took over broadvox? 














On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Eric Kuhnke < eric.kuh...@gmail.com > wrote: 
















voip.ms has several east coast nodes, along with Montreal and Toronto. Not the 
absolutely best SIP trunk pricing, but close enough. 
If I couldn't use them, I would go with voxbeam. 



On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Sam Kirsch" < sam...@plexicomm.net > wrote: 






I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking for 
any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class VoIP 
Provider? Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues over the last 
several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get our inbound calls 
to another provider. 


-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support 
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net 
















-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 














!DSPAM:2,56e99574123524982885734! 

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Eric Kuhnke]

Uhhh... you can't put a SIP server (or a small cluster of them) on a CDN
cache like you can with http/https content.

This is not a problem you can solve with Cloudflare. Only by finding a host
that is directly at a major IX point and has enough spare capacity to
absorb DDoS.

I would be curious to know the network topology one or two hops upstream
from voip innovations, how many bundles of 10GbE circuits it is, and what
aggregation router/switch they're connected to.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> They need to pony up the cash to Arbor Networks, Akamai, SOMEONE to
> mitigate these DDoSes.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Sam Kirsch" <sam...@plexicomm.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:40:59 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo
> Locations
>
> Yeah, its been another fun day for me.  Two additional DDoS attacks so far
> today, 9:15-9:45 and 10:10-continuing.
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net>*
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net
> <sam...@plexicomm.net>*
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Craig Schmaderer" <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 3/16/2016 10:38:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo
> Locations
>
>
> I assume you are talking about Voip innovations?  looks like they are down
> again.
>
>
> --
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sam Kirsch <
> sam...@plexicomm.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations
>
> I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking
> for any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class
> VoIP Provider?  Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues
> over the last several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get
> our inbound calls to another provider.
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
> www.plexicomm.net <http://www.plexicomm.net/>*
> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688*
> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net
> <sam...@plexicomm.net>*
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Eric Kuhnke]

Not that I know of. I use voip.ms for basically three reasons. Their
website/https based administration UI for accounts is fairly full featured.
They have servers in Seattle and in Vancouver, at both of the major carrier
hotels. Third, they're Canadian based, so free poutine with every 20th DID
ordered.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:05 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ahhh, is this the outfit that took over broadvox?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> voip.ms has several east coast nodes, along with Montreal and Toronto.
>> Not the absolutely best SIP trunk pricing, but close enough.
>>
>> If I couldn't use them, I would go with voxbeam.
>> On Mar 16, 2016 7:31 AM, "Sam Kirsch"  wrote:
>>
>>> I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just
>>> looking for any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good
>>> carrier class VoIP Provider?  Our current one has just had too many
>>> repetitive issues over the last several weeks and we're looking port out
>>> all our DIDs to get our inbound calls to another provider.
>>>
>>>
>>> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network SupportPlexicomm - Internet Solutions |
>>> www.plexicomm.net *
>>> *Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax:
>>> 1.866.852.4688 <1.866.852.4688>*
>>> *Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 <1.866.759.9713> |
>>> sam...@plexicomm.net *
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Chuck McCown]

I use Xmission in SLC.  No problems.  

From: Sam Kirsch 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 8:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking for 
any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class VoIP 
Provider?  Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues over the 
last several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get our inbound 
calls to another provider.

-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688
Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations

[Mike Hammett]

They need to pony up the cash to Arbor Networks, Akamai, SOMEONE to mitigate 
these DDoSes. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sam Kirsch" <sam...@plexicomm.net> 
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:40:59 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations 


Yeah, its been another fun day for me. Two additional DDoS attacks so far 
today, 9:15-9:45 and 10:10-continuing. 


-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support 
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 

Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net 



-- Original Message -- 
From: "Craig Schmaderer" < cr...@skywaveconnect.com > 
To: "af@afmug.com" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: 3/16/2016 10:38:55 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations 





I assume you are talking about Voip innovations? looks like they are down 
again. 





From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Sam Kirsch < 
sam...@plexicomm.net > 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2016 9:31 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] VoIP/SIP Trunk Providers with East Coast Colo Locations 


I know not everyone on this list does phone services but I'm just looking for 
any suggestions we may not have considered yet for a good carrier class VoIP 
Provider? Our current one has just had too many repetitive issues over the last 
several weeks and we're looking port out all our DIDs to get our inbound calls 
to another provider. 


-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support 
Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net 
Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109 | Fax: 1.866.852.4688 

Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 | sam...@plexicomm.net