[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Check your hearing
cliveb Wrote: Well, I've not quite got to 50 (I'm 49), but this thread prompted me to test myself, and I can still *just* make out 16.8kHz. I don't consider myself to have especially wonderful hearing (my wife often complains that I don't hear her :-). I've been to my fair share of rock concerts (including a Status Quo gig when I was fifteen that left my ears ringing for two days). So I think your MD friend is being overly pessimistic. Could it be in his line of work, he only tends to investigate the hearing of those who report to him with problems? No, I think those numbers are fairily accurate -- I looked it up on the web once, on a medical site, and that's what I found. Again, my own hearing range is pretty much right there, in the middle. Remember, as I said, I think, these are averages or generalized expectations. Naturally, some people (like me) will be on the money, some will do far worse (Pete Townsend), and some (lucky you!) will do far better. Still -- and because your hearing is exceptional -- it would be interesting for you to do hearing check. I'm pretty sure that they can control volume outputs and plot your hearing range, in +/- db. If you ask nicely...! -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24693 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Check your hearing
Actually, I have it on pretty good authority (an MD), and there is information out there to back this up, that the average (average) 40 year old male tops off at around 14khz. That's assuming no lifetime of regular rock concerts and airport tarmacs. By age fifty, that number is cut in half -- you're down to 7khz. And, from there, it's a continued nose dive. When I play a test tone sweep through my speakers, the sound level, to me, diminishes rapidly as the freq goes higher and then it sputters into a hiss. Interestingly, while looking at the computer, the measurement is still going...and the extreme high frequencies are measured (I use Fuzzmeasure for the Mac and a DBX mic with Presonus Firebox audio device, both calibrated). Oh: I turn 41 in a couple of weeks. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24693 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB mod on not mod, what to expect vs CD player?
For some reason, laws against fraud and false advertising seem to miss the audio industry for a mile. I'd love to see a parts list and English language explanation. And, in fact, Stereophile had a bit full of panic a while back when the New York State AG's office started to look into some of these issues. It really is all quite shameless. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB mod on not mod, what to expect vs CD player?
Again...the audiophile version of the Squeezebox, which will be sold through dealers, is due out in the not-too-distant future. I think this is a semi-open secret at this point. Salient items are a digital input, improved DAC, power supply,etc. I'm sure it will be in a sleek, sexy, metallic case, to help justify a far higher price point. So, I guess what I'm saying is this: before spending hundreds or thousands on mods, why not wait a few months? In the meantime, the SB3 alone can be quite satisfactory. You won't be pulling out hairs over poor sound quality. Much of this is subjective, of course, but there are those on this forum, inlcuding me (please, no flames, no comments about my non-revealing system, etc.), who have found the differences between the SB3 and a high quality external DAC and the SB3 alone to be minimal. Ditto for power supplies. The differences ARE there, to be sure, but the price per square foot, as it were, is at Manhattan levels. So...if Slim Devices, who are obviously a bunch of very smart, very savvy, and very competent people, come out with an audiophile friendly version, I think it would be worth checking out. Fewer boxes, nicer design, equal or less money. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB mod on not mod, what to expect vs CD player?
It has nothing to do with how he chooses to describe his widgets. The fact is, and I can also speak here with a respectable background in physics, it is pure baloney. Of course, you are free to like what you hear. People also like Tice Clocks and Mpingo disks and all the rest. There was, too, that lovely Stereophile account of a simple test that amounted to placing a pizza box support, I think painted silver, on top of a CD player. Listeners, prompted to the magical quality of the tweak, loved what they heard. The power of psychology... -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Audiophile Version
I'm assuming the audiophile version -- and I've heard that it will come out from a dealer and I've heard it coyly alluded to -- from a Slim Devices employee will be the 'real deal.' Certainly, I can't find much to complain about. If the DAC is even a bit better, it will obviate the need, or perceived need, for an outboard DAC. The digital input is a real plus, too, and could send a lot of people on the road of dumping their existing DACs. All in one, you know. As for the modders, well, they will always have something to sell and something will always represent a notch below Nirvana to them. Speaking of Bolder: for crissakes, they sell mods with (wildly priced and silly) Bybee products. I don't begrudge someone making a living, but let's get this straight: most modders are a rather parasitical cottage industry. It will be nice to see a 'straight up' product put these things to sleep (not that the SB3 doesn't pretty much do that). Projected cost around two grand. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24041 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Why not more Squeeezbox reviews in hi-fi magazines?
Moreover, maybe also test it not only to something like the ML but with a more pedestrian DAC, like a Lavry or Benchmark (ie, sub $1,000). -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19598 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Lighten up, this is supposed to be fun.
dnighorn Wrote: Goodness! I hope this wasn't aimed at me (as I am the last person to post in the 'hi-fi magazines' thread. It was simply my intent to get folks off of JA's back and give him a chance to do a real review. On to the fun stuff. The SB is simply the best entertainment invention since the Tivo. (I don't like sliced bread. Could live entirely without it.) Not a day goes by that I am not tickled pink to have such a high quality playback device in my system. David Hey, better than Tivo -- it's cheaper! -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22997 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Top end HiFi vs Squeezebox 3
Basically, I think you are right. As with the other poster, my personal, semi-subjective is that EAC is akin to using an elephant to squash a bug. I've tried it, in the Mac form, and found it a pain. I use Apple Lossless and my SB3 output (with and without an external DAC) sounds every bit as good as a fine CD player. Congrats on a well-integrated, wonderfully simple, and excellent system! When I read descriptions like that, it does give me pause. (A lot, actually. I had 988s but the WAF knocked them out of the house. They are simply marvelous speakers and easily rank amongst the very best.) -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22964 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Top end HiFi vs Squeezebox 3
it's actually a unix (or something akin) with a shell interface for the mac. I'll try to find the download page again. Very, very clunky. Get right back to you. (edit) -- my bad. I had been in a discussion about EAC and learned about XACT, which is what I tried. I was told that it is quite similar. Anyway, I just didn't see any advantage to it. But, hey, now that the Mac OS allows easy dual-booting, maybe I can give the real thing a try. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22964 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Top end HiFi vs Squeezebox 3
Speaking of which, anyone have a favorite device for ripping? I use my iMac's internal drive and a Lacie D2. To be quite honest, I've had a few problems with the Lacie. I had to rescan a few disks with error correction on -- read time went from 32x or something to 4 or 5x, but the new files were clean. Thoughts? Recommendations? -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22964 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
opaqueice Wrote: I couldn't agree more. Although in the case of these power supplies I'd be happy if even one person could consistently tell the difference in a series of AB/XY blind tests... Exactly. The placebo effect is tremendous. And, money does not buy happiness. A buddy of mine purchased a set of very expensive GamuT speakers -- very expensive. They were touted as wide dispersion speakers designed for off-axis listening, which immediately put me on alert. Anyway, I helped set them up and, within minutes, we both agreed that they sucked. Gorgeous, overbuilt, insanely nice as furniture -- but just awful. Fortunately, this is a guy largely immune to the placebo effect. I mean, think seriously about this power supply business: people are spending two, perhaps, now with the maui thing, thee times the cost of a Squeezebox on a damned power supply. Strangely, the stock power supply works pretty well. I bought an Elpac, just for curiosity, and there was no difference. Want a difference? Use a really nice DAC and maybe upgrade your speakers. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
rajacat Wrote: It was not a personal attack but just a statement that unless a person's opinion is based on actual experience it must be regarded accordingly. You seem to regard many in the audiophile cottage industry as just hucksters but offer no proof just unsubstantiated opinions. Actually, it was a personal attack. You stated that -- and without knowing -- that I had probably not tried any of these things. Well, in almost thirty years of audiophile experience, you can rest assured that I have. Moreover, my opinion of these PS mods is quite often echoed by engineers -- they make little or no difference, except to the pocket book of the purchaser and bank account of the seller. So, Rajacat, you show ME a verifiable, controlled, double-blind test of these things. Then, describe, in laymans and in technical terms, why they would make an audible difference. The burden of proof, and, alas, of civility, is on you. After all, you're the one touting the object... -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
aberdeencomponents Wrote: Hi Patrick, You should know we do not need to spam, any last thing I need to do is Advertise, especially here. I can not stop someone from posting information, that was sent personally to them, or taken off my forum. The unit was made as per my 200+ customer requests. And is made for my existing customers ONLY. In other words, If YOU wanted one, sorry not available. For the people on the forum, that supports, thank you. For the Pencil necked geeks, it is apparent you don't have people who appreciate your work. Everyone is not like you, who can DIY. There is several who would like your work/product, but are too selfish and snobby to produce such desired product for others. But yet have time to criticize others or doing so. But yet what can we expect from these pencil necked text book reading geeks? Then you have Highdudgeon who believes his decision making of purchasing product , should be done by attendance of a large group of people, blindfolded. Is this how you buy a car, your clothes? Is this how you choose your wife? If your not capable of making your own decisions, why bother voicing your own opinions on these forums?? shouldn't it be from your blind decision makers? or are they to blind to type? AP This is truly priceless, down to the horrid grammar, wildly flawed logic, insulting, playground language, and general lashing out at everyone. Reminds me of one or two other modders on this forum, but worse. Alas. How people like this make a living is just beyond me. Reporting this to SD isn't the worst idea... -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
ezkcdude Wrote: If someone who backs these PSU mods/tweaks would just show some oscilloscope tracings, I, for one, would be happy! If it reduces noise, just run a sin wave through the SB3 and measure the outputs, and prove it to us, once and for all. Nice idea. Add to that: provide additional proof, say with academic backing, that such differences as might exist would actually be audible, to say nothing of dramatic. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
Incidentally, I would like to clarify something: I hardly believe all products should be subjected to double-blind testing. An obvious case is speakers. Speakers are highly personal, vary wildly in their appropriateness for different rooms, and, by gosh, they even look different. It is instructive, however, to have good reviews that include measurements and comparisons. These, in addition to listening tests, can help us go in a preferred direction. I love my speakers and think they are marvelous; however, they certainly wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. And, if I had to move into a smaller room, they would be gone in a heartbeat. Now, where I do think double-blind testing is of value are the areas of electronics and more ephemeral objects like cables. From power supplies to amps to cables, we get gobs of reviews filled with enough elusive adjectives to make a wine magazine blush. And then there matter of marketing hype: amps with damping factors of 8000 having more bass impact than one with a factor of 400 (do the math; there is not much of a difference, when you take the entire system into account); minuscule (and irrelevant) distortion figures and s/n, etc. Okay, that's amplifiers. But, when you move into the world of power cords, cables, tweaks ranging from bybee silliness to mpingo disks to whatever, including some good tweaks, cables, etc., you're now in a rarefied zone. These items are expensive. They are highly touted by manufacturers, some devoted users (Tice Clock, anyone?); they can be very expensive; and the placebo effect is perhaps at its worst. Why? Because the system has been built...and, without the need for more big boxes and such, the user is now searching for that special thing that with take him or her to audio nirvana. This is a powerful force. This is not made up. Medical studies don't make this up. So, what to do? Have a more consumer-friendly magazine or group of audiophiles and dealers try out the various competing power supplies under these conditions. Try out cables, power supplies, and other tweaks under similar conditions. I mean, I would really love to see this happen. It would be fun, instructive, and would shine brightly on those who participate, whatever the outcome. It would not shine highly on those that don't. I think we can take it for granted, given the defensiveness, that maui mods would slither off into the world of snake oil and secrecy. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
I would love -- really love -- to see all these exorbitantly-priced power supply builders to submit their products, along with the standard-issue or Elpac variety supplies, for a regulated double-blind test involving enough listeners with such qualities as to establish statistical significance. I mean, this just wouldn't be too hard to do and it would be an opportunity to establish the product -- assuming it merits establishment. You just need a host, a curtained set up, attendants (off the street student types) who don't know what supply is what, scoring sheets for the listeners, and, say, a pick of self-described audiophiles, dealers, whatever reviewer one could find, musicians perhaps, and laypersons. Brings to mind the well-known Bay Area Audiophile Society blind test of power cords: the ability of listeners to distinguish between stock IEC cords and $1k+ cords was statistically insignificant. It is a real shame -- and there is money behind this, of course -- that none of the prominent audio magazines conduct such tests. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. One often hears what one sees and pays for. Anyway, thought for the day. This was not directed at anyone and was certainly not meant to be denigrating of any particular product. -- highdudgeon SB3, Lavry DA10, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: simple amp recommendations?
A vintage Carver would be very nice and right in the price range -- and quite competitive with far more expensive audiophile amps. -- highdudgeon SB3, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22415 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: why do we need a DAC ?
Skunk Wrote: Have you even read much about the Lawry's? It's touted as a 'feast for the senses', probably well worth the money: http://www.lawrys.com/ Bah-rump, tcha! -- highdudgeon SB3, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22502 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Sean, Would SD consider providing an AES/EBU ouput, either as standard or as an option? -- highdudgeon SB3, Sony DVP 555es, Bel Canto Pre2, Carver Sunfire, Rane DEQ60L, Harbeth Monitor 40s, ACI Force subs highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: OT- Check out THIS guys DIY Media Server!
But it does shed some light on the McIntosh product (ridiculous!) and other 'big box' music servers... -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22406 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
That's exactly right -- and notice his prominent use of the word perhaps. Perhaps. And...the Ayre costs $6k, or twenty Squeezeboxes. And, with all due respect to the writer, JA specifically disavows blind and double-blind testing. Forget about what kind of connection was used; the fact is, it would be hard for a lot of people to look at the Ayre, then look at the SB, and not come up with some ephemeral difference. Besides, there is this, which, again, is hardly worth discussing: a DAC that fully buffers and re-clocks the incoming signal pretty much renders the transport, cable, etc., a neutral factor. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
seanadams Wrote: I'm not trying to bash the DAC-1 - as a matter of fact i have tested it and found it well designed and exhibiting a very low noise floor and low distortion throughout the analog section. But I'm not comfortable ignoring other potentially audible effects of ASRC to get the improved specs that it yields for such narrow tests as THD+N, jitter immunity etc. Sean, I was thinking more along the lines of the Lavry DACs (the Blue, the DA10, etc.). Check out the papers on the Lavry site and perhaps get in touch with Robert Greene, the UCLA math prof and Absolute Sound reviewer, about this; he can go into far deeper detail. His web site is www.regonaudio.com But, believe me -- and it is nice to hear from you -- I find that, for most of my listening, the SB is one of the most satisfying components I have ever purchased. The sheer cost and value of the unit and its performance, in stock configuration, is unprecedented in the audiophile world. One poster wrote that the correct interpretation of JA's review is that the differences between the SB and other very high-end transports is tantamount to trivial. Some people get bent out of shape about trivial; others learn to be happy. I'm pretty happy! Double blind-testing: absolutely. To publish review after review, writing about audio components as if writing about wine, talking about how every new toy or mod is oh-so-much better, is just silly. Sure, write some reviews; then, conduct rigorous double-blind tests, under conditions that would optimize listening, have input from psychologists as to length of exposure, etc., and give us the results. Sean: maybe Slim Devices could conduct some such tests...?! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Well, yes and no. There is no fundamental difference in terms of 1's and 0's. However, there is an enormous and fundamental difference in terms of storage and usability. It's a shame that Redbook never moved beyond twenty year+ old technology and that we have the same data format now as 'back then.' However (and this is because my background is in editing, UI design, and the like), sometimes usability is nearly on par, or on par, with data content. The fact is that this new technology use is more flexible, it saves our butts (no more scratched/destroyed CDs -- at least for those of us with young children and pets), and it is extremely convenient. We're saying more or less the same thing...I just tend to view fundamental globally. Semantics. Now, if they would make a SB that could stream DVD video data from one's hard drive and throw it into the same package... -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Amen, brother. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
JJZolx Wrote: Is it your opinion that the $8 chip in a DAC accounts for so much of its characteristic sound that you may as well junk every DAC made more than a couple years ago? I've never seen an even remotely similar opinion statement from an audiophile, so it raises an eyebrow...That's the sort of thing you read from an engineer that dables in audio. If the spec looks good on paper and on a scope, then it must sound better, right? Well, that's largely right, and especially in digital. If the specs are right -- low jitter, etc., etc. -- then it should work well. This is not like the world of tubes, where you have a bit of black art mixed with the science (for the record, I have no stomach for tube stereo amps, but I do have twenty or so tubed guitar amps and more tubes can I would care to count on any given day). And, yes, I think the figure of around 95% is about on target. It is in my experience, and I have one of those proverbial revealing systems and thirty-five years of music training to back up my opinion. The fact is, and I seem to keep repeating this, the law of diminishing returns is brutally applied in audio. Witness yesterday's Stereophile review: the SB, through a DAC, sounded so close to a $6k CD player, through the same DAC, that the differences were irrelevant. It would be interesting, next, to see the SB with the $6k DAC against the SB with a more bleeding edge $1k DAC...and then, in a blind test, with no DAC at all. I've done this (well, not with a $6k DAC, but with a $4k dac, a $1k DAC, and no DAC) with friends and the conclusion was that the differences were minimal...and, with certain recordings or genres, irrelevant. The most expensive CD player I've owned is the Audio Aero Capitole. I'm just as happy with the Squeezebox and friends who've heard my system tend to be impressed and leave the door ordering Squeezeboxes, too. (Seriously. A pal of mine is selling off a $4k EC CDP and keeping a Squeezebox.) -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Well said. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Phil, Are you finding significant differences between different transports when using the same DAC? Again, and at least technically, if a DAC is properly buffering and re-clocking the signal, the output will always be the same, regardless the input. Just curious. That would be a fun comparison; wish I could pop in from the left coast. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Amen to all the above. And, yeah, the 5% can be, well, just 5% or a 5% that really counts...excellent point! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Actually, I imagine that an audiophile SB would be hugely profitable. We shouldn't forget that profit margins in the high-end world are just that -- high-end. Imagine packaging the SB with a high-endish DAC, beefed up hardware, metal case and remote, option of balanced outputs and AES/EBU for the digital output, etc., and pricing somewhere between $1,000-$1,500. Then, compare that to what people are paying for custom power supplies, various DAC and analog output mods, etc., on top of the price of a new Squeezebox. The killer product, I think, would be a Slim Devices receiver. Basically, the SB, as above, packaged with an Icepower/Tripath/Whatever amp, and an extra analog input or two an a digital out for those who must experiment, and an f/x loop for equalizer/processors. Now, sell *that* for $1,500-$2,500. Small, cute, reasonably priced, high-end performance, and all you need. You know a high-end company, like, say, McIntosh, would charge two or three times as much. Hell, they already do, and you don't even get the amp and you do get a cheesy menu that requires a television. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Heathrow Hi-Fi Show 1/2 April 06
Patrick -- NOW I get it. That's a sexy set up for the Squeezebox and the amp. Do you have more pictures and specs anywhere? Available in the states, price, etc? Could be fabulous for a second system or whatever. Thanks! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
Very nice to wake up to, indeed! And, honestly and with all due respect, I wonder if even the wee differences he heard between it and the CDP, when listening very carefully, are more psychological in nature than anything else. Expectations are powerful. In the end, though, he rules them irrelevant. So, there you go: the $300 Squeezebox can, officially, and now not just from the mouths of us, replace a kilo-buck CD player. I'm not familiar with the Levinson DAC. My guess, and this is something I brought up elsewhere, is that a buffering/re-clocking DAC like the Lavry and perhaps Mytek would make the point moot. And, you're still looking at a lot less money than an audiophile DAC...with an easy way to upgrade to a later SB or DAC down the road. Kudos Slim Devices! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 rave in Stereophile March eNewsletter
He also called the difference irrelevant for general listening. Now, that's saying a lot. Again, I don't really know much about the Levison DAC. However, with a cutting-edge device, such as the Mytek or Lavry, devices that fully buffer and re-clock the incoming signal, differences in transport -- short of skipping CDs or whatever -- are irrelevant or at least audibly irrelevant. I definitely noticed a difference when using the Lavry DAC -- and other DACs, for that matter. However, my experience was akin to JA's: for less then really attentive critical listening with certain music kinds...the differences between the stock SB and SB/DAC became far less relevant. To my taste, at least. I just don't get so buggy about the finest nuances, I suppose, and I don't chase after them with an open wallet. So much of audio, I think, is akin to bike racing. With serious road bikes, a gram of weight costs around a buck. When you're talking about stripping down half a pound somehow, you're talking about a lot of money. On the other hand...you can easily lose half a pound working out hard for a couple or three days. Ditto with audio: it is a lot easier, and cheaper, and more effective, to invest time in careful speaker placement rather than throwing an additional $5,700 at a fancier transport... -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22301 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Mods for a non-modder: AES/EBU and XLR outputs
Tyler, thanks -- this is great. You're right, of course, about the internal circuitry, but this is better thank nothing. I wonder if one of our locals can do this... -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
There's nothing remotely dumb about using subs in mono. It just depends on your needs. Almost all sound in the the 20-40hz octave is in mono in the CD format. So, if your sub is trolling off your main speakers -- ie, you are letting your mains run their full range and just adding on the subs -- and you are crossing over the sub at 40-45hz, then mono is just fine. It is better, in a way, because you get a boost of some 3db or so. Nice if your subs drop quickly from 30/25hz-20hz, or if they distort when played too loud. Now, this is NOT the case when you are setting cross-overs for the mains and subs and when that cross over is above 40-45hz. At 60, 70, or 80 hz, you would obviously be loosing stereo information. With a system such as TacT (which can be accomplished, closely, without a TacT), you're using corner woofers -- not subwoofers -- crossed over at 200hz. You DEFINITELY want that to be in stereo. That's about it, really. For someone to claim that, somehow, you are missing vital information with mono subs crossed over at 40 hz is misleading. And, remember two things: 1) sound in that range is omniderectional, in the first place, so you're not going to get stereo imaging, and 2) a lot less than we think actually happens down there! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Carl, I think a subwoofer is essential with the Quads -- the REL is an obviously and good choice. Enjoy! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Carl, Those are beautiful speakers, in every way. I've had the 988s and 989s in my house, but, alas, the family was not pleased. I barely get by with the large boxes I now have...but I like them about as well. Still, almost nothing images like a Quad. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade results (by ear)
Noisephiles -- That's excellent! The bottom line isn't just finding a perfect sound system; it's spending quality time finding and listening to music. The more time you fiddle, the less time you get to kick back, bliss out, and enjoy your system. Re. external DACs: that is an excellent point. Using the right DAC (please, no flames here), assuming buffering, re-clocking, jitter elimination and a halfway competent output stage, the $300 player (or squeezebox) an $10k CD player (as transport) will sound the same. The scary, and pleasing, thing for me is that the SB is so good on its own! Incidentally, for the pure hell of it, I ordered an Alpac (sp?) linear power supply, just to experiment. As the SB gurus predicted, there was absolutely no difference in sound. There are just so many other imporant things. Something I would like to see: AES/EBU output for digital (strongest signal) and XLR outputs for audio (as above, allowing really long cable runs). I wonder if anyone does and can do these mods for a reasonable price? -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22204 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mods for a non-modder: AES/EBU and XLR outputs
I know, I'm not into tinkering with electronics, I don't buy into into most power supply and other mods, etc. Still, there are two things I would really like to see on a Squeezebox. They are: 1. Balanced (XLR) outputs. These provide the safest signal and would allow for much longer cable runs...something that coule be handy. Also, when one does have an entirely balanced chain... 2. AES/EBU (xlr) digital output. At 24v, this is the strongest signal, by far. Again, this would allow for greater cable runs, etc. Question: given that Slim Devices is probably not going to come out with something like this anytime soon -- unless they create an audiophile edition for a lot more money -- I'm wondering if the SB can be adapted for true balanced operation without costing a fortune. Or, whether it can be done at all? -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade
We have to be careful of these things. People talk about veiling the high frequencies and extended range (beyond 20khz, etc.) a great deal. What they forget is that an average 40 year old male can hear up to around 14khz, on a very good day, and that he can expect that to drop by half (7khz) in the next ten years of life. Not that a lot of music happens up there, in the first place. So, there is revealing, and then there is revealing. What I truly like about the audiophile voodoo crowd (great phrase) is that they instantly point out that one's system is not revealing enough. This, of course, without having HEARD one's system or even knowing what it is. I mean, you gotta love it. Still, people buy into all sorts of things, including the belief that speaker cable really are directional (no flames, please; that is a long thread), etc. Given the financial and emotional investment, it is not surprising to hear that small tweaks make huge differences. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
Michael, BINGO!!! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Mods for a non-modder: AES/EBU and XLR outputs
Hey, how do you use your attenuators? Just set them to a fixed setting and then control the volume on the SB3, I take it? I'm thinking of ditching my own preamp and going this route. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
Actually, a major reason for firing them downwards is that it is an effective way of absorbing higher frequencies. I use ACI Force subs. Two of them, but not in stereo. I have them crossed over at 45hz (below 40 it's mostly mono, anyway, and using them summed gets you a bit more gain). They are very nice, I think. The price is right, for starters. They are small and discrete, which has much high WAF. Per my measurements, they live up to the promise of +/1 3db all the way down to 20hz. Adjustments are easy and ACI is kind enough to include a test disc, instructions, etc. I have tried them against REL's, TBI's, Velodynes, you name -- all more expensive by a good margin -- and the ACI don't give up a thing, and are even better than some. Oh, imaging: absolutely no change, except that bass is tighter, more focused, and more textured. Did I mention they are reasonably priced, well-built, and discrete? They only have 10 drivers, as opposed to the 12 woofers on my harbeth M40s, and they are far smaller. They work together well -- a real bargain. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
I think retail is around seven hundred or so. I got mine used. One was a steal at $425 and another somewhat less so at $500. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
A test tone at twenty cycles, at volume and for enough time to take a few measurements with an SPL meter leaves me feeling sick. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Mods for a non-modder: AES/EBU and XLR outputs
Hi, I have adapter cables, too, for another use, and they do work just fine. In fact, I had the coax of the SB3 going into one input of my DAC and an RCA/XLR into the balanced input of the DAC. The thing, though, is that I really am looking at long runs of cables...and it might well be helpful to have AES/EBU for the digital out. Thanks, though...glad to know other people are thinking about it and working with it. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Indeed I did. I would appreciate an apology, too. This isn't a flame; I'm just completely confused as to why you would attack a stranger with all this sarcasm and snootiness. Of course, you're not the kind to take or accept an olive branch, and you're certainly not the kind to apologize. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
SB3-Bel Canto Pre2-Rane DEQ60L-Sunfire 300-Harbeth Monitor 40s on Skylan stands. That's about it. I've toyed around with two or three DACs and thought the Lavry the best of them. However, the more I listened for differences and the more I listened to the SB3 alone...the more I found it very satisfying and quite enough for me. The operative phrase here is, of course, for me. All cables by Blue Jeans Cables of Seattle. Terrific people, fair prices, solid products. Again, YMMV. I get a kick out of the tiny SB3, alone atop my cabinet (other components hidden away) in the middle of my rather huge (for me) Harbeths. With stands, that's 150lbs per speaker. The SB3 is simply a wonderful device. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Bless you. As for Dan, apology indeed. You owe me one. You simply are not man enough to own up to your poor behavior. Belittle work about which I know nothing? Actually, I do know quite a bit. What about what began this whole thing? You belitting me, for absolutely no reason other than being upset for having been kicked off a reputable audio forum by one of the major forces in audio criticism...point, set, match. I'm chuckling. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply upgrade results (by ear)
Here's the thing: Without verified blind tests, it is more or less impossible to get a hold on these mods. Think about it: the placebo effect works. If it works in medicine, it certainly works in audio, with the expectations of eagar audiophiles multiplied by the money they have spent. I've been there and done it myself. I keep reminding people of the Bay Area Audiophile Society blind test of power cords -- judging between generic IEC cords and $1,000 audiophile cords, the hit rate hovered around 50%. 50%, of course, is statistically meaningless. In short, get a cheap cord, remember that there are miles of power grid and house hold wire before your huge audiophile cord, and call it good. But that's me. There are so many things that can be improved in theory or by numbers. So often, though, these differences make no audible difference. An amp with a published THD of .05% is not worse than one with .008% (just to name two amps I've owned in the last year or so). And then, of course, comes the law of diminishing returns. Sure, lots of things make subtle differences, and sometimes nice subtle differences...but, are they worth it? That is where the die-hard hobbiest or perfectionist diverges from other audiophiles. I recently ditched a very excellent DAC because, really, I'm very happy with the SB3 as it is, I've had transporting experiences listening to music through it, and I'd rather spent the extra grand somewhere else (like tickets to see live music, for one). Peter Lyngdorf (of TacT audio) pulled aside a well-known American reviewer and brought his ear to within an inch of a tweeter. Sure enough, there was a tiny bit of hiss. This hiss, it happens, is what a $600 or so power supply upgrade to his unit would remove. If it is important to you, well, grand. Others might choose otherwise. As if you can't tell...I'm from the objectivist camp... -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22204 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
I see...I have a pretty good idea of who you are, and that you are a troll from the regonaudio forum. Think Robert woul recommend Bel Canto? Really? Quite to the contrary. And ACI subs? And a Rane EQ when he recommend TacT (very, very expensive) or plain jane analogue EQs? Wow, you are so off base, it's not even funny. Whatever. I have a terrific system and you need an attitude check. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
PS, In case anyone is interested: Robert Greene, among others, has reviewed the Harbeth M40 in glowing terms. Is it one of the best speakers out there? Yes. Is it the best? No, of course not, because now we get into questions of taste, room, needs, etc. A Dali Megaline, which is arguably amongst the very, very best -- it is scary good -- would not work in a 12x12 room. However, I have owned speakers ranging from Dali (the Grands), Von Schweikerts, Spendor, Quad ESL-988 and 989s. For my needs and tastes, the Harbeth is easily the more engaging, tonally pure speaker. Quads image better, of course, if set up properly and if you sit in just the right spot. Harbeths are easier to position and have a warmth and rightness to the midrange that beat the Quads. Apples, oranges. So, this is what I find bizarre about Dan's comments: first, we have no idea what he uses; second, if someone OTHER than Dan recommends a component, it must, perforce, be a bad component and the user must be a dupe. Of course, Dan, who hasn't been reviewing speakers on a weekly basis for twenty years, who has no formal training in acoustics, no PhD in mathematics, who is not a recorded musician and engineer for well-received classical recordings, etc., certainly knows better. Again, I just fail -- utterly -- to understand people who insist on baiting and insulting strangers. When that person has no legs on stand on other than his sarcasm, snootiness, and financial agenda, well, it is even worse. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Jeff, I'm not saying that Dan is always like this -- and, surely, he knows quite a bit about TacT equipment. Cables, of course, are a matter of personal taste and philosophy :) Having said that, Dan has a well-earned reputation for being a contrarian and someone who takes delight in baiting, insulting, putting people down, and otherwise harassing those who do not share his views. For this reason, he was booted off of Robert Greene's audio forum, much to the relief of others. Some people just let, well, something go to their heads when they can hide behind the veil of email and web forums and willy-nilly mistreat others. In real life, a lot of these people are, I suspect, rather demure and insecure. Invisibility brings out their bravado. Anyway, look at the style and substance of his posts to and about me. Bear in mind that I played no small part, along with half a dozen others that I know, in getting him booted off that forum for bad behavior. Can you say resentment? I sure can! Anyhoo, no flames from me and I do appreciate your input. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Thanks for the refereeing, Kevin -- as always, from your technical assistance to more personal matters, your input is greatly valued. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Let's see...ahem. Okay, now that everyone has read the entire thread: Who started this? Who began with the insults, baiting, teasing whatever? That's right. Dan himself. Lord, may he get a life. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Incidentally, if you're really curious, you can read a review of the Monitor 40s here: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/equipment/0801/harbeth40.htm Or log on to avguide.com (worthwhile; these are TAS archives, and TAS is rather more slanted toward objectivity than Stereophile) and look up the speaker. Of course, it really sucks, you know. Hell, all my components are just crappy, and very inexpensive, to boot. In fact, the reason I like the SB3 so much is precisely because it is reasonably priced and performs so well. Had a high end company produced the same thing, you could rest assured that it would cost three or four times the price, or more, and come in a fancy, brush-aluminum case. Now, objectively, and whether people like you choose to believe it or not, the single most important factor in getting good sound is optimizing the relationship between the speaker, the room, and consequently your room. Dave Wilson famously demo'd a set of Watt Puppys using an iPod as source. Famously, a Krell CD player was on the equipment rack and, famously, reviewers commented on how fabulous the CD player was. Don't believe me? Call Wilson and talk to them about it. Very nice and open people -- who make excellent and very, very expensive speakers. Amplification, at least in the solid state realm, is a solved problem and what differences there are between competent solid state amps are more marginal, or negligible, than most people think. Remember, the placebo effect is powerful. Ditto for preamps. (I like the Bel Canto simply because it is neutral, it has the outputs and inputs that I need, and, most importantly, a very cool programmable menu.) So, what do you need for good sound? Preferably, highly directional speakers (Harbeths; some Spendors; definitely Quads, which are point-source; line array speakers, like some McIntosh and Dali models; Gradients; some BWs; etc.). Next, and probably, you need competent equalization and/or room treatments. You need to deal with reflections with treatments or very careful positioning. You can additionally deal with room anomalies and speaker anomalies through EQ. For this, you really do need some way to measure frequency response -- whether using mics and software or an SPL meter, test CD, and graph paper. Harbeths are the speaker of choice in BBC studios and mastering rooms. They also use some Dynaudios -- also excellent speakers -- in some situations. The BBC has been at the forefront of speaker design and technology for god-knows-how-long. Anyway, after years of trial and error, I more or less nailed the speaker/room thing to my satisfaction. It is not the only way to do it AND IT IS NOT THE BEST WAY FOR EVERY ROOM OR EVERY LISTENER. So, the point is, my system is quite revealing. The SB3's output, while not the best in the world, is highly competent and perfectly satisfying for a lot of music. For solo piano, wild orchestral work, acoustic jazz, etc., the DAC makes some difference. For most pop music, there is little to no difference. Or course, this is a matter of taste. As it happens, I can afford to play around with this stuff, I've been doing it for twenty years, and I'm pretty happy with what I've got. I have a background in physics, too, so I more or less understand what's going on with transports and DACs, to say nothing of cables and amps. But, of course, you know better. Even if I were, say, Peter Lyngdorf (whose TacT equipment is truly wonderful), you would disagree with me -- because that's what contrarian, immature, and pretty much ill-informed chumps like you do. Have a nice life -- and try to get a grip on your ennui and free-floating anger and sense of inferiority. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Dixon, Yeah, being happy is the thing. Your point is valid, of course, unless you're using a DAC that buffers the signal and essentially does away with jitter. A friend who is an acoustic engineer at Microsoft measured the Lavry and found that it pretty much does exactly that, as claimed. I think the Benchmark and Mytek DACs come awfully close. For all intents and purposes, really, and unless you're banging on the CD player or whatever, the differences are negligible. But, yeah, the bottom line is being happy. At some point it is time to stop chasing after some unobtainable perfection. Having said THAT...you can bet your last dollar that I will keep experimenting with DACs. I just have to! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
The 'garbage in garbage out' thing is mostly dispelled by serious reviewers. Why? Because it is not the case. The if the speakers are bad -- ie, incapable of reproducing with any accuracy the signalk -- and if the room interactions are bad, the the sound will be bad. Of course, Linn had a product to sell, namely, a very expensive turn table that is no longer the state-of-the-art -- and he would say as much. It's a really nasty phrase, anyway, and it hardly applies to the digital world. Read through some issues of The Absolute Sound. Talk to Dave Wilson. Think of it this way. In most systems, there are two mechanical devices: the transport and the speakers. The speakers are, by far, the worst, least reliable, and harder to control element in the audio chain. When you introduce a device like the squeezebox, you have eliminated one mechanical problem; when you introduce a DAC that buffers the incoming signal and then eliminates jitter, who have essentially optimized the source. Most competent sources are actually very, very good. If you sit down and really audition, say, a better made Pioneer CD player against, say, the Audio Aero and other expensive players I've had, you'd be surprised -- if your mind were open to it -- at how subtle most differences are. That doesn't mean they are not worthwhile! So, what is left? Taking for granted that, for a reasonable cost (if you imagine a $300 SB3 and a $1,000 DAC to be reasonable), you can get very, very close to an ideal source, you need now to deal with your speakers and room. If you get your system equalized (manually, with a TacT preamp or integrated amp, etc.) and deal with reflections with a combination of treatments and careful placement...you'll be smiling. For me, then, the priority is to get the speakers and room right. IF your sound producing elements are revealing and correct, it then becomes easy to try out and judge various sources. Anyway, that is my opinion, and the opinion of others. Naturally, some people differ, for their own reasons, and that's fine. I really appreciate your posts, by the way. It is nice to talk about these things without fighting! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
It is gone already. I'm not saying there were no differences. They were there, yes, and specifically appeared in the area of imaging. However, it really varied greatly from music genre to genre and, more importantly, from recording to recording. I fully admit to being susceptible to the placebo effect. This DAC was supposed to be the latest and greatest, I have a pretty terrific, well-thought-out system, so I bit. The fact, though, is that the more I listened, the more subtle the differences became. In the end, it is all about your experience, right? Last night I listened to Gillian Welch, Emmylou Harris, and Air. With my eyes closed, kicked back on the couch (and family out of the house!) the experience was transporting. What really revolutionized my system (Bel Canto Pre2, Carver amp -- don't laugh, it's every bit as good as my earlier Electrocompaniet and McIntosh!, and Harbeth Monitor 40s) was the introduction of frequency response measurement and equalization. My speakers are quite linear, but, thanks to room interactions, I have around a 10db peak at 80hz. Taking care of *that* and otherwise normalizing response has a huge effect. By contrast, the DAC was subtle -- I was wrong -- and subtle enough that the law of diminishing returns kicked in for me. Incidentally, I'm using a Rane DEQ60L (mostly because of build quality, but plenty of people are happy with Behringer; I bought mine as a blem unit from Musicians's Friend for $500) and Fuzzmeasure software for the mac, along with appropriate cabling, etc. Oh, and a pair of ACI Force subs, crossed over at 45hz (small but effective...and great to crank for DVDs). -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
I know -- that's kind of a gripe. On the other hand, it uses pretty high quality pieces. Moreover, I can't tell when it is in the signal path -- and none of my friends can, either. It is easy to toggle between the EQ signal and the straight signal by putting the EQ in the tape loop. When set for flat response, you absolutely cannot tell the difference -- whether it is set to EQ or Bypass. Likewise, there is no hit to the sound when it is set to EQ. I have no idea what jitter is on the thing. I called Rane, out of curiosity, and spoke to their national sales manager -- he says they don't even measure. Then again, the digital stuff and algorithms were put together by Ray Miller and his team. Ray Miller did/does Wadia's digital work. Wadia is wy more expensive. At full retail, it is an expensive device; however, it seems like there are always overstock bargains around. PS, it is built like a tank. Can't say that about Behringer. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Sean, You're right -- the internal sampling rate is 48hz. I know that the DAC chip is an AKM something-or-other (I have it in an email) used by several high end manufacturers. Any intuition as to how jittery it might or might not be? PS, any chance you might come out with a device with balanced outputs (handy for really long interconnect runs)??? -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
PS, Don't know whether I was clear about this...but I am extremely satisfied with the SB3. No mods, no external DAC, etc. It sounds just great on my system. Mind you, I'm using mastering studio montors; they are very expensive and are regarded as some of the best speakers anywhere, at any price. The Squeezebox is just that good. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone recommend decent speaker cable?
After lots of fooling around with cables -- including fooling around with very expensive cables -- I just gave up. I more or less understood (understand) the science behind, but, being a nervous audiophile, I couldn't help myself. Now, here's the thing: at best, cable will offer some wee bit equalization. A little more in this frequency range, a bit less in that, etc. In short, it is a very inexact way to balance one's system. So, what's best? Something neutral. Chuck Hinton, McIntoh's technical rep, presumably understands something about audio. He told me that he uses 14 gauge low-voltage outdoor lighting cable from home depot...and, what's more, that's the cable that has been used in many McIntosh demonstrations and reviews. Personally, my audiophile bug still nagged me, so I ditched the expensive cables (AP Oval 9's and AZ Satoris, for just two) and ordered up a pair of 10 gauge cables from Blue Jeans Cables. Overkill, yes, but...placebo. Sometimes I need it. Anyway, these cables are every bit as good and neutral as any of the others. Now, you need to balance your system? That's where equalization comes in. Doesn't matter whether it is the pricey TacT RCS/EQ system or just a straight-up graphic EQ combined with a reasonable mic and room measurement software. It works. A 3db somewhere meaningful makes far more of a difference -- and is cheaper -- than playing guessing games with horrendously overpriced cables. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21750 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Part 2 of Enjoy the Music SqueezeBox review
Cleve, Nice rig, by the way. The short answer is this: if you're using the coax output to an external DAC that completely re-clocks the incoming signal, then all of this stuff, including power supply questions, is rubbish. Other stuff: look up the well-know Bay Area Audiophile Society blind test of power cords. Even with a sales rep present and extolling the virtues of kilo-buck power cords, over the course of a day audiophile listeners never really scored better than 50% in guessing the audiophile cord over a stock IEC cord. But the best thing about that review isn't the power cord. It's the Bybee filter. When you see those two words together...and can see someone who has been taken for a ride, wants to be taken for a ride, or wants to take you for a ride. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22000 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review in the works!
Phil, I do agree without -- it is not about the price tag; it is about the proper and thoughtful integration of the system and the system to environment. I've also put a great deal of time and effort into this. The Harbeths are just wonderul, neutral speakers. I use treatments, RTA and FFT room measurements, and equalization, amongst other things, to get it right -- down to doing some math (well, 2nd grade math, I suppose) to help my ears, measurements, etc., for speaker placement. Yes, I can hear the differences, here more than there, sometimes, and there more than here, other times. It does boil down to the to me question, in the end, and, to me, my system is very satisfying and some subtle issues bug me less than others. A lot of these things are downright subjective, after all. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
One follow-up: I had a Lavry DA10 in-house for some six weeks. I sent it back for a repair, they are backordered, and now I'm getting a refund. I guess I can order another one down the line. Anyway, here's my take, having heard the Benchmark and, extensively, the Lavry in my house: I think the advantages of an ourboard DAC are minimal, especially once you consider the price. A thousand dollars is a thousand dollars and that buys a lot of CDs. Yes, there was some improvement -- some -- in imaging and clarity of minute sounds. Sometimes I could tell and sometimes I could not. (I had the analog outs going to one preamp input and the digital out to the DAC to another preamp input). Right now I'm living without an outboard DAC...and not really missing anything. Electronics by Bel Canto and Carver, speakers by Harbeth ($9,000 speakers at that). -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Stereophile review in the works!
I find some of this a little bit funny -- its easy for people to let numbers go to their heads. For instance: I happen to use an Apple computer and my home network includes an AE base station, and, in the room with my SB3, a Airport Express. Lovely device, and even easy on the eyes. For the heck of it, I have run a Toslink connection from the AE to my Lavry DAC, along with the RCA coax from my SB3 to the DAC. This gets kind of cool, actually, because I also have the Griffin remote. Anyway, there is absolutely no difference. Of course, one would expect that. The interesting part, however, is in running a splitter cable from the AE to my preamp and comparing that to the SB3 going into another input. Quite frankly, there is no substantial difference, and certainly not with most pop music. So, why a Squeezebox? Because it's so damn handy, that's why. It is a fact, though, that people get into twists over jitter rates, etc., when they have no substantive proof that they can actually hear this stuff, that they have done blind experiments (which I actually have), etc. Hats off to Atkinson for taking on the project. The SB is a good tool, I'm sure it will receive an honest evaluation, and I do hope more people will become interested in the product. (Incidentally, I find that, with the Lavry unit, there is some improvement in imaging and perhaps clarity -- which I can only really tell with some music -- but the differences are small to negligible. Is an outboard DAC worth the extra thousand...? Good question. The same money invested in CDs would probably be more fun.) -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Songs out of order (grrrr!)
Alas, I use an iMac G5. No lights going off and on. Bummer. Why? Because when you're rescanning the entire library, at least on my machine, the server turns off. To get web access, you have to turn the server on. However, turn it on too soon...and it seems to mess up the process. There really should be some sort of alert. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19601 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Songs out of order (grrrr!)
Okay, this has happened with several albums. I've tried rescanning. I've even tried dumping the library and scanning anew. Here's what happens: 1. On the Slim Server access window, the album's songs are displayed in order. Great. 2. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19601 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
How do I go about upgrading the firmware? Thing is, I've tried out a 24/96 recording and my Lavry DAC still locks at 44.1 (the lovely thing actually tells you what signal it is getting). Don't get me wrong -- the sound is terrific and is a definite improvement over the SB3. Being a pro audio device aimed at mastering studios and costing a grand, it had better be good. Thing is, as I mentioned, it does not present a particular improvement over my CD playe. So, worth a grand? Hard to say... -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: upgrade digital output
Just spoke to Kevin -- what a champ. There are no plans to upgrade the firmware for greater rates. In fact, the reason my 24/96 files come out as 44.1 is that the SB doesn't even recognize the file. This will not change in the forseeable future. I can see there point. There are not a lot of 24/96 sources in the commercial sector. Pity, though. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19475 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Quick question: CD's per hard drive
That's a lot of replies in a short period of time -- and, yes, I left out (or assumed) some critical information. My fault there. 1. I am an Apple user (OS 10.4.3). So, EAC is not an option for me. 2. Therefore, I rip using iTunes and Apple Lossless. Yes, I've heard some criticism, here and there, of Apple Lossless. Personally, it doesn't seem like I'm losing anything at all...but opinions are always welcome; I've only just begun this process. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quick question: CD's per hard drive
Hi -- I just purchased a new Maxtor 300gb (279 usable) HD for use with my SB3. Question: how many CDs, of average length, say, will fit on the thing? -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18552 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best mod?
First of all, you have to ask yourself -- hard -- if spending a grand on a DAC is going to make the system that much better. In my experience, the answer is now. Power supplies: silly me, I bit on that and ordered an Elpac. Absolutely no difference. For the record, my Harbeth Monitor 40s are easily amongst the most revealing, detailed speakers in the world, and I have them positioned very, very carefully. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18491 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB2 directly feeding Nuforces distorted sound and a lot of hiss
I think something like Bel Canto's new ICEpower amps (the S-1000s and S-300s) would be more interesting. But, to the original poster: great system! Sunfire is terrific stuff...and Blue Jeans Cables? My favorite discovery in high-quality, humanly-priced cabling made by te nicest folks around! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18330 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Signal Strength: ethernet?:
Okay, I've dramatically -- dramatically -- improved my signal strength. 1. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18391 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Signal Strength: ethernet?:
Okay, I've dramatically -- dramatically -- improved my signal strength. 1. I placed a Dr. Bott omni-directional antenna at my Airport Extreme Base Station. 2. In the other room, I placed the Airport Express directly behind -- like an inch -- the SB3. Voila -- signal strength is 100% So, the question is this: with the Airport Express and the SB3 so close together...would things be even better if I just used an ethernet patch between them? I'm guessing it's six of one and half a dozen of another, but, hey, every little improvement counts! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jhymn, DRM, iTunes 6
Okay, flat-out, here's the question/problem: I stupidly upgraded to iTunes 6. Then, I bought my SB3. Then, I find I can no longer strip DRM. Anyone know of a work-around? -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18211 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Jhymn, DRM, iTunes 6
Burning to CD and re-ripping will actually work?! -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18211 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB-3 and external DAC
Actually, while the Benchmark does trumpet (and performs) exceptional performance in terms of jitter management...my understanding is that it does not buffer the incoming stream. IE, it manages internal jitter. The new lavry unit (due out in a couple of weeks) buffers the incoming stream and effectively does away with jitter. The question, of course, is can we here this? Personally, I think the SB3 is just scary good and, at three hundred bucks, the most outrageous bargain in audio. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Signal Strength -- Ideal
Firstly, I'm not having connectivity problems on the order of dropped connections. Sometimes, however, the connection does seem to freeze up or an annoying thing happens where I might press one or more buttons on the remote, the machine freezes, and then quickly cycles through them. In other words, I wonder If my signal is decent enough. I'm using an Airport Extreme base station (mac) in one room and an Airport Express in the next to extend my network. Signal strength, as seen in the web interface, varies between 40-64%. Is this fine, average, etc? I'm thinking about picking up another base station, placing it where the Airport Express stands, and then moving the airport express behind the SB3. Might be overkill, but, hey...if anything, I should be able to carry a laptop anywhere in the house. Thoughts? -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18199 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 with high-end system. Mods, alternatives?
I've recently started using my shiny new SB-3 with my audio system. Harbeth Monitor 40 speakers, Bel Canto electronics, etc. All in all, a respectably high-end rig. All in all, I'm very impressed with the device...even without using an external DAC, no fancy power supply (it is plugged into a Monster HTS 5100 conditioner) and, shame on me, using the stock interconnects. I should preface my question by stating that, overall, I don't buy into mods. If you really need some improvement, go get it without mucking around. In my eyes, no modification to the SB-3 could be equal to using a top-shelf DAC, like a Lavry (I have one). The connectors are a bit flimsy, but that's not to big of a deal. So, here's the thing: does anyone suppose there is much, or any, value to using a third-party power supply? And, I don't mean theoretical or technical improvement -- I mean actual, real-world, readily discernable improvement? This is a fantastic device. I'm sure Slim Devices will soon (wink, wink) come out with an audiophile version, complete with metal casing, better power supply, massive connectors, and the rest...and that it will cost a grand. In the meantime, this little box is keeping up with some very expensive CD players...and that's BEFORE putting the DAC in front of it. -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17947 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB-3 and external DAC
I'm wondering how many people have done careful listening comparing the Squeezebox with and without a high-end external DAC? IE, is there much benefit to be gained? Little? None at all? Personally, I think it sounds quite good. I do have a re-clocking DAC on order. Comments, thoughts. Also, comments and thoughts on an external power supply? Worth it? And, surely, there must be a commercial unit available that would be cheaper than one of the audiophile versions (ie, Boulder, etc.). -- highdudgeon highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17948 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
