Query Results sent from search engines CGI variable?
I have a client who wants to make their site more user friendly when someone is sent to them from a search engine. What they want is when someone comes from a search engine link that we obtain the original search query (if sent) and in addition to showing the requested page present a list of other items from their site matching an internal search result using that criteria. I know that many search engines send the original search query over to the website I am assuming in the header because I can obtain that information from the web-server log reports. What I don't know is if it is available in the CGI variables Cold Fusion can get from IIS6. Does anyone know if they are available and how to programmatically extract them for use within Cold Fusion? Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A Website Design Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028 Wolcott, CT 06716 203-879-2844 http://www.uxbinternet.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334196 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Query Results sent from search engines CGI variable?
Try parsing the cgi.http_referer variable. It won't always have a value, but when it does, you can extract the keywords used when querying the search engine. Regards, Che -Original Message- From: UXB Internet [mailto:denn...@uxbinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:35 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Query Results sent from search engines CGI variable? I have a client who wants to make their site more user friendly when someone is sent to them from a search engine. What they want is when someone comes from a search engine link that we obtain the original search query (if sent) and in addition to showing the requested page present a list of other items from their site matching an internal search result using that criteria. I know that many search engines send the original search query over to the website I am assuming in the header because I can obtain that information from the web-server log reports. What I don't know is if it is available in the CGI variables Cold Fusion can get from IIS6. Does anyone know if they are available and how to programmatically extract them for use within Cold Fusion? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334197 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: Query Results sent from search engines CGI variable?
What I don't know is if it is available in the CGI variables Cold Fusion can get from IIS6. The few times I've had to do this I parsed out the original query from the CGI.HTTP_Referer variable (URL string of the page that linked to yours). The format is slightly different depending on which engine the user came from, but it's not too hard to get the string out in a usable form. -Justin Scott ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334198 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Query Results sent from search engines CGI variable?
It'll be in the referrer, if present, which is sent by the browser. cgi.http_referer, split it up, check the domain to identify the search engine, and then check the query string to find the search query under the corresponding variable. cheers, barneyb On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM, UXB Internet denn...@uxbinternet.com wrote: I have a client who wants to make their site more user friendly when someone is sent to them from a search engine. What they want is when someone comes from a search engine link that we obtain the original search query (if sent) and in addition to showing the requested page present a list of other items from their site matching an internal search result using that criteria. I know that many search engines send the original search query over to the website I am assuming in the header because I can obtain that information from the web-server log reports. What I don't know is if it is available in the CGI variables Cold Fusion can get from IIS6. Does anyone know if they are available and how to programmatically extract them for use within Cold Fusion? Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A Website Design Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028 Wolcott, CT 06716 203-879-2844 http://www.uxbinternet.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334199 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Query Results sent from search engines CGI variable?
Try using cfdump to output the CGI scope. Then you will be able to see all the CGI variable available to you. cfdump var=#cgi# Wil Genovese Sr. Web Application Developer/ Systems Administrator Wil Genovese Consulting wilg...@trunkful.com www.trunkful.com On Jun 1, 2010, at 3:34 PM, UXB Internet wrote: I have a client who wants to make their site more user friendly when someone is sent to them from a search engine. What they want is when someone comes from a search engine link that we obtain the original search query (if sent) and in addition to showing the requested page present a list of other items from their site matching an internal search result using that criteria. I know that many search engines send the original search query over to the website I am assuming in the header because I can obtain that information from the web-server log reports. What I don't know is if it is available in the CGI variables Cold Fusion can get from IIS6. Does anyone know if they are available and how to programmatically extract them for use within Cold Fusion? Dennis Powers UXB Internet - A Website Design Hosting Company P.O. Box 6028 Wolcott, CT 06716 203-879-2844 http://www.uxbinternet.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:334200 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Anyone using CF for ranking websites on search engines?
Hi, all. I've been using Advanced Web Ranking for a few years, and while it works well, I'd like to expand on its capabilities, well, its output, anyway. I was wondering if anyone has been using CF to rank websites according to keywords/keyphrases, particularly on Google, Yahoo, and MSN/Bing. If so, how much trouble is it to do? Thanks for any feedback. Rick --- Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not. - Thomas Jefferson ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:329519 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
application.log, search engines and url variables...
I am having some instability issues with my coldFusion server. What I think is happening is that search enginge bots are going through pages that require a variable for example but being it doesn't have it, it creates an error that say ID isn't defined for example. This fills up application.log and which I think causes the performance issues. Is there anything I can do about this? I tried doing something like IF NOT IsDefined(url.id) cfset id = 0 or whatever to hopefully just not cause an error but that doesn't seem to work. I can't be the only knucklehead with an issue like this. ~| Get the answers you are looking for on the ColdFusion Labs Forum direct from active programmers and developers. http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid-72catid=648 Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:292035 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
application.log, search engines and url variables...
I am having some instability issues with my coldFusion server. What I think is happening is that search enginge bots are going through pages that require a variable for example but being it doesn't have it, it creates an error that say ID isn't defined for example. This fills up application.logand which I think causes the performance issues. Is there anything I can do about this? I tried doing something like IF NOT IsDefined(url.id) cfset id = 0 or whatever to hopefully just not cause an error but that doesn't seem to work. I can't be the only knucklehead with an issue like this. ~| Enterprise web applications, build robust, secure scalable apps today - Try it now ColdFusion Today ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:292031 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
application.log, search engines, and variables
I am having some instability issues with my coldFusion server. What I think is happening is that search enginge bots are going through pages that require a variable for example but being it doesn't have it, it creates an error that say ID isn't defined for example. This fills up application.log and which I think causes the performance issues. Is there anything I can do about this? I tried doing something like IF NOT IsDefined(url.id) cfset id = 0 or whatever to hopefully just not cause an error but that doesn't seem to work. I can't be the only knucklehead with an issue like this. ~| Download the latest ColdFusion 8 utilities including Report Builder, plug-ins for Eclipse and Dreamweaver updates. http;//www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5adobecf8%5Fbeta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:292033 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
OT: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Example URL: http://www.karatekorner.com/dsp_LargeImage.cfm?imagename=217272lproducttitl e=Adidas%20Merrit%20Sling I have popup windows on my site that display large product photos that have been indexed by search engines. The thing is, when a customer is refered by a search engine by one of these indexed popup windows pages, the page does not 'render' like a pop up window if the customer was already browsing my site. It renders like a regular HTML page with a 'close window' button. The user cannot click anywhere and if he/she clicks the 'close window' button, I've lost the user from my site. How can I determine where the user comes from? The CGI.HTTP_REFERER variable works for Firefox, but not always from IE (basically, the CGI.HTTP_REFERER sometimes has no value using IE). Is there logic that can determine whether a page is rendered as a Javascript popup window (with no page controls) vs. a regular html page? Perhaps that would work??? I hope this makes sense. Thanks, Che ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265814 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
I have popup windows on my site that display large product photos that have been indexed by search engines. The thing is, when a customer is refered by a search engine by one of these indexed popup windows pages, the page does not 'render' like a pop up window if the customer was already browsing my site. It renders like a regular HTML page with a 'close window' button. The user cannot click anywhere and if he/she clicks the 'close window' button, I've lost the user from my site. How can I determine where the user comes from? The CGI.HTTP_REFERER variable works for Firefox, but not always from IE (basically, the CGI.HTTP_REFERER sometimes has no value using IE). Is there logic that can determine whether a page is rendered as a Javascript popup window (with no page controls) vs. a regular html page? Perhaps that would work??? Using JavaScript, you can determine whether the window was opened by another window - if you used window.open() to create the window, you can use window.opener within the child window to identify the parent. With that information, you could control the display of the contents, or force the creation of the parent window and subsequently trigger the redisplay of the child window. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265818 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Dave, the JS function to launch the new window is below. Would might code
look like on the popup (child) page to do this? I'm not a JS pro by any
means. Thanks, Che.
script language=JavaScript
function NewWindow(mypage, myname, w, h, scroll) {
var winl = (screen.width - w) / 2;
var wint = (screen.height - h) / 2;
self.name = mainWin;
winprops =
'height='+h+',width='+w+',top='+wint+',left='+winl+',scrollbars='+scroll+',r
esizable'
win = window.open(mypage, myname, winprops)
if (parseInt(navigator.appVersion) = 4) { win.window.focus(); }
}
/script
Using JavaScript, you can determine whether the window was opened by another
window - if you used window.open() to create the window, you can use
window.opener within the child window to identify the parent. With that
information, you could control the display of the contents, or force the
creation of the parent window and subsequently trigger the redisplay of the
child window.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Dave, the JS function to launch the new window is below.
Would might code look like on the popup (child) page to do
this? I'm not a JS pro by any means. Thanks, Che.
The code would depend on what exactly you want as a result, of course, but
if you just wanted to conditionally hide the close window button, it might
look like this:
if (!window.opener) {
document.getElementById('mybuttonname').style.visibility = 'hidden';
}
You could put this in a function, and call it using the onload event handler
of the body tag.
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Hmmm, I should have been more specific. How about...
if window opener is defined
show page as a normal popup
if not
redirect to a a specific page. say www.domain.com
Thanks. :)
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Dave, the JS function to launch the new window is below.
Would might code look like on the popup (child) page to do
this? I'm not a JS pro by any means. Thanks, Che.
The code would depend on what exactly you want as a result, of course, but
if you just wanted to conditionally hide the close window button, it might
look like this:
if (!window.opener) {
document.getElementById('mybuttonname').style.visibility = 'hidden';
}
You could put this in a function, and call it using the onload event handler
of the body tag.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Hmmm, I should have been more specific. How about...
if window opener is defined
show page as a normal popup
if not
redirect to a a specific page. say www.domain.com
You could simply replace the contents of the conditional block with whatever
you want to do:
if (!window.opener) {
window.location.href = 'http://www.domain.com/';
}
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Dave, using your code, what I have below works in Firefox, but not IE. Any
ideas? Thanks a bunch, Che.
script language=JavaScript!--
if (!window.opener) {
document.write('a href=\http://www.mydomain.com\;span
style=\font-family: Verdana; font-weight: Bold;\Purchase This Product at
MyDomain.com/span/a');
}
else {
document.write('form name=\popupForm\ onSubmit=\return
closeWindow()\input type=\image\ src=\images/b_CloseWindow.gif\
alt=\Close Window\ border=\0\/form');
}
//--/script
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Dave, using your code, what I have below works in Firefox,
but not IE. Any ideas? Thanks a bunch, Che.
script language=JavaScript!--
if (!window.opener) {
document.write('a href=\http://www.mydomain.com\;span
style=\font-family: Verdana; font-weight: Bold;\Purchase
This Product at MyDomain.com/span/a');
}
else {
document.write('form name=\popupForm\
onSubmit=\return closeWindow()\input type=\image\
src=\images/b_CloseWindow.gif\
alt=\Close Window\ border=\0\/form'); } //--/script
What exactly happens in IE? Does it fail to write, or does it write the
wrong thing, or does something else happen?
You don't have to escape your double quotes in a string delimited by single
quotes. That may well be the source of your problem.
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
The problem is that in IE, I still get the Close Window button on the
indexed popup page that comes from Google instead of getting the hyperlink
to purchase it from 'MyDomain.com'. I'll try removing the escape slashes.
Also, I found this, maybe it will mean something to you.
http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000300.html
~Che
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 3:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Dave, using your code, what I have below works in Firefox,
but not IE. Any ideas? Thanks a bunch, Che.
script language=JavaScript!--
if (!window.opener) {
document.write('a href=\http://www.mydomain.com\;span
style=\font-family: Verdana; font-weight: Bold;\Purchase
This Product at MyDomain.com/span/a');
}
else {
document.write('form name=\popupForm\
onSubmit=\return closeWindow()\input type=\image\
src=\images/b_CloseWindow.gif\
alt=\Close Window\ border=\0\/form'); } //--/script
What exactly happens in IE? Does it fail to write, or does it write the
wrong thing, or does something else happen?
You don't have to escape your double quotes in a string delimited by single
quotes. That may well be the source of your problem.
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
The problem is that in IE, I still get the Close Window
button on the indexed popup page that comes from Google
instead of getting the hyperlink to purchase it from
'MyDomain.com'. I'll try removing the escape slashes.
An explicit comparison would probably work in both, then:
if (window.opener == null) { ...
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Nope. Oh well, it seems to work in all browsers except IE. That's better
than where I was before.
Thanks for your help.
~Che
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From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 4:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
The problem is that in IE, I still get the Close Window
button on the indexed popup page that comes from Google
instead of getting the hyperlink to purchase it from
'MyDomain.com'. I'll try removing the escape slashes.
An explicit comparison would probably work in both, then:
if (window.opener == null) { ...
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RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
Nope. Oh well, it seems to work in all browsers except IE. This will work in both IE7 and Firefox: if (window.opener == null || window.opener == undefined) ... Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265871 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows
OK, both work. Here is what was messing things up. In IE 6, I was opening up new windows to google results. I think that opening up a new window in IE 6 was throughing the Javascript off. Thanks Dave. Have a great weekend. ~Che -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 5:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Search Engines the indexing of javascript popup windows Nope. Oh well, it seems to work in all browsers except IE. This will work in both IE7 and Firefox: if (window.opener == null || window.opener == undefined) ... Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:265874 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines, once for each language? i.e. - www.domain.com - www.domain.com?lang=fr What about to DMOZ and other such directories? They have different categories for non-english sites... Cheers, Baz ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234710 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
- www.domain.com?lang=fr that URL may get ignored as it's a dynamic page (the ? tells the bots this). I'd suggest a mod/isapi rewrite to adjust your URL to something like www.domain.com/lang/fr I'm not sure you need to submit once for each language (I would think not), but just wanted to let you kow that dynamic URL will not get indexed (or at leat not alwaysbots are getting smarter). Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234711 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
Well there are 2 options you can do. Do a subdomain for each language. http://french.domain.com etc... , or just have a link with the flags of the different countries so a user can choose a different language. The bots should follow the links. I wouldn't worry too much about them not following a dynamic link. Google follows dynamic links and every search engine out there has had to do it to keep up with google. I would consider the subdomain trick though, since they are technically different website google shouldn't hold it against you that you are submitting that page with a different language. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234713 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
This may well start a big war here, but are dynamic URLs really a big problem anymore for todays modern search engine? I have no evidence either way, but it seems to me that they must have come up with some kind of a workaround by now Bryan Stevenson wrote: - www.domain.com?lang=fr that URL may get ignored as it's a dynamic page (the ? tells the bots this). I'd suggest a mod/isapi rewrite to adjust your URL to something like www.domain.com/lang/fr I'm not sure you need to submit once for each language (I would think not), but just wanted to let you kow that dynamic URL will not get indexed (or at leat not alwaysbots are getting smarter). Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234714 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
This may well start a big war here, but are dynamic URLs really a big problem anymore for todays modern search engine? I have no evidence either way, but it seems to me that they must have come up with some kind of a workaround by now It is my understanding that the big search engines can follow dynamic links that are links. Thus things like should work, but there may be a limit on how many combinations are considered. a href=www.adomain.com/catalog.cfm?item=0203color=red.../a But if this is done with forms and/or JavaScript to make more dynamic selection controls, these will not be understood and followed by search engines. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234715 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
Well there are 2 options you can do. Do a subdomain for each language. http://french.domain.com etc... , or just have a link with the flags of the different countries so a user can choose a different language. The bots should follow the links. I wouldn't worry too much about them not following a dynamic link. Google follows dynamic links and every search engine out there has had to do it to keep up with google. I would consider the subdomain trick though, since they are technically different website google shouldn't hold it against you that you are submitting that page with a different language. I liked what hp.com did -- they used the 2-letter ISO language code, so hp.com in japanese was jp.hp.com ... Although they appear to have changed their minds since then, since I no longer get a dns response for jp.hp.com. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234716 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
Yep, Google indexes them pretty exactly the same as sites with SES url's... which is why I'm glad I never bothered with the whole SES url nonsense... A whole lot of hair-pulling for bupkiss. Plus if you want SES url's, use mod rewrite or isapi rewrite. It's infinitely easier to implement it there than it is to reverse engineer the query string in CF. This may well start a big war here, but are dynamic URLs really a big problem anymore for todays modern search engine? I have no evidence either way, but it seems to me that they must have come up with some kind of a workaround by now s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234717 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
Thanks for all the tips... it was my understanding too that search engines play nice with URL vars - I'm not too sure why SES safe URLs are still being talked about so often. Also, just to be sure, I should translate all META keywords and descriptions to each language, correct? You can have more than one set of META data per domain, right? Speaking of which, are there any advantages/disadvantages to customizing your META data for each page of your site? So if one page focuses on cars, but another focuses on racing, you put car-related keywords on one page and race-related keywords on the other. Is this good/bad/ineffective? Cheers, Baz -Original Message- From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines? Yep, Google indexes them pretty exactly the same as sites with SES url's... which is why I'm glad I never bothered with the whole SES url nonsense... A whole lot of hair-pulling for bupkiss. Plus if you want SES url's, use mod rewrite or isapi rewrite. It's infinitely easier to implement it there than it is to reverse engineer the query string in CF. This may well start a big war here, but are dynamic URLs really a big problem anymore for todays modern search engine? I have no evidence either way, but it seems to me that they must have come up with some kind of a workaround by now s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234728 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
that URL may get ignored as it's a dynamic page If it was so, almost all CF pages would be ignored. What is ignored are pages called from forms, because they will certainly cause an error if no field are filled. As far as there is a link from one language to another, both languages should be searched by robots. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234729 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
It is recommended to make each page including the meta tags be specfic to the page's content. Do not spam the meta tags with a bunch of keywords. Just put the main keywords and description to be things that describe the content of the page. Bob ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234731 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
Thus things like should work, but there may be a limit on how many combinations are considered. a href=www.adomain.com/catalog.cfm?item=0203color=red As far as all the combinations are present in the page under the form of a valid link. I do not see why robots will ignore them. After all, what is the difference between a href=www.adomain.com/catalog.cfm?item=0203color=red and: a href=www.adomain.com/catalogitem203colorred.cfm Robots will not try all possible item Id and all colors. Ok, let's start another war ;-) And what's about links like a href=www.adomain.com/index.cfm?action=catalog ? -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234734 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Should I submit a website with 2 languages twice to search engines?
Robert Everland III wrote: Well there are 2 options you can do. Do a subdomain for each language. http://french.domain.com etc... , or just have a link with the flags of the different countries so a user can choose a different language. The bots no. never flags. don't scale will eventually make somebody mad. countries languages. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:234762 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Fusebox Conf interview 8: Search engines, Managing your career, FLiP Challenge
In this issue of ColdFusion conference and training news: 1. Fusebox and Frameworks Conference News - win a gig memory stick TODAY 2. Class and certification news 3. Optimizing FuseBox Applications for Search Engines interview with Jon Rowny 4. Managing Your Career as a Developer interview with Scott Knaub Happy coding - Michael Smith, TeraTech, Inc http://www.teratech.com/ Creating excellent custom software since 1989 1. Fusebox and Frameworks News ** * Win a gigabyte memory stick - if you sign up for the Advanced Fusebox class by TODAY Wed 9/21/05 you will be entered in a raffle to win a gigabyte memory stick. * The Fusebox and Frameworks conference http://www.cfconf.org/fusebox2005/ is only 1 week away * TeraTech has a limited number of Jeff Peter's book on FLiP and Fusebox 4 which we will be handing out to each person who does our Intro to FLiP challenge. To get your copy of the book: Bring a brief description of your ColdFusion application to the TeraTech booth, and we'll help you get your project rolling. Using wireframing tools we will: - Define screens and exit points - Identify missing functionality - Give you a blueprint that you can use to estimate total project costs After the Conference TeraTech can help you with: - Completing wireframe - Prototype design including graphics, CSS, usability and 508 Compliance - Architecting your application and database - Coding and testing - Smooth deployment - Load testing and server incident resolution * CF Underground VII will be in Anaheim CA 10/15/05 before MAX http://www.cfconf.org/cf_underground7/ Speakers include Hal Helms, Simon Horwith, Michael Smith and more 2. Class and certification news *** We are planning a CF7 certification group at MDCFUG. If you are interested email me. When we ran this last year 11 out of 12 people passed the exam. Class schedule: CF102 Intro to ColdFusion Tue 9/27/05 $349 (at TeraTech) FB301 Advanced Fusebox Jeff Peters Wed 9/28/05 $449 (at FB/FW hotel) CF201 Intermediate ColdFusion Tue 10/11/05 $349 (at TeraTech) SS101 SQL Server DB Design Tue 10/25/05 $349 (at TeraTech) CS201H 4 day hands on CSS classTue-Fri 11/29 - 12/2/05 $1399 (at TeraTech) More info and registration at http://www.teratech.com/training/ 3. Optimizing FuseBox Applications for Search Engines interview with Jon Rowny Michael Smith: This time we are talking with Jon Rowny about his Fusebox and Frameworks-05 talk Optimizing FuseBox Applications for Search Engines. So why should a developer come to your session Jon? Jon Rowny: Hopefully, what I teach will not just help you optimize a Fusebox site but any architecture as well. If you run any extranet that you want more exposure for (especially an ecommerce site) then this session is for you! In the session I will be showing how to clean up the URLs so that search engine spiders are more prone to crawling through a verity of different techniques from a simple CFScript to server modification (IIS or Apache). In addition I will be sharing techniques for managing massive request loads by search engines, a review of how to dynamically generate Robots.txt via CF, and we'll see if I have time to discuss some of the more basic techniques which can be implemented easily via CF as well. MS: So why would I want to optimize for search engines? What is the benefit to me? JR: The main benefit of optimizing for search engines is to gain exposure for your website. Most people find information on the internet via a search engine like Google or Yahoo. By optimizing your architecture you can make your website more attractive to these search engines and make it easier for them to index your website's content. Many clients of the popular Adwords program pay thousands of dollars per month to achieve a number one spot on Google for a single keyword or keyword-phrase; through optimization you can achieve similar results for many keywords without having to pay Google a dime. MS: So what is the issue with a Fusebox site not being optimal? Is the URL string? JR: Any architecture that passes url parameters to view content pages is at risk of not being indexed by major search engines. Fusebox happens to use URL parameters for every single request and sometimes these strings can get rather long. Some people say that Google will not crawl a page with more than three query parameters, others claim that it won't crawl pages with id= because it fears running into session IDs, but regardless of your belief in crawler behavior there are many easy ways to fix it. Fusebox is a great candidate for optimization because it requires very little modification to achieve SES. MS: You mean there is a way to fix this without changing every page in the site?! JR: Yes, there are several different methods to solve the problem from modifying
Search engines and CF
Are there any best practices for search engine optimization when using coldfusion? What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts that interlinks our database of job types with a customized page. Essentially what the intention here is that search engines will index these pages and thus improve our internet ranking. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208487 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engines and CF
best practices for search engine optimization when using coldfusion I would say that SEO best practices are development language independent. What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts Heres a tip: If you can make the order of the links on the site map change dependent on, say, the number of jobs for that type, or the most recently posted job of that type, then google will see that the page has changed, keep re-indexing it, and through that, re-index your customised pages. -Original Message- From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2005 14:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: Search engines and CF Are there any best practices for search engine optimization when using coldfusion? What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts that interlinks our database of job types with a customized page. Essentially what the intention here is that search engines will index these pages and thus improve our internet ranking. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208493 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engines and CF
Hey Kerry, so what you are saying is that changing the order of the links on the site map will signal to google that the page has changed? Heres a tip: If you can make the order of the links on the site map change dependent on, say, the number of jobs for that type, or the most recently posted job of that type, then google will see that the page has changed, keep re-indexing it, and through that, re-index your customised pages. -Original Message- From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2005 14:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: Search engines and CF Are there any best practices for search engine optimization when using coldfusion? What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts that interlinks our database of job types with a customized page. Essentially what the intention here is that search engines will index these pages and thus improve our internet ranking. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208520 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Search engines and CF
yep. -Original Message- From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2005 16:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Search engines and CF Hey Kerry, so what you are saying is that changing the order of the links on the site map will signal to google that the page has changed? Heres a tip: If you can make the order of the links on the site map change dependent on, say, the number of jobs for that type, or the most recently posted job of that type, then google will see that the page has changed, keep re-indexing it, and through that, re-index your customised pages. -Original Message- From: Protoculture [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2005 14:22 To: CF-Talk Subject: Search engines and CF Are there any best practices for search engine optimization when using coldfusion? What we are currently doing is setting up a site map of sorts that interlinks our database of job types with a customized page. Essentially what the intention here is that search engines will index these pages and thus improve our internet ranking. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:208521 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: search engines
For more information, here's a slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220tid=217 On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: search engines Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201478 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: search engines
Oh, and one other where Google punished an internal (Adwords) unit for doing serving up different content to the bot vs user: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1774677,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K594 Marty On Apr 5, 2005 8:39 AM, Marty Johll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For more information, here's a slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220tid=217 On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: search engines Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201480 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: search engines
Hi, Marty...thanks for the article reference... I can see how techniques using unrelated keywords/phrases would be discouraged and even banned, but I wonder what Google's, et al, response would be to using legitimate keywords/phrases with techniques like white text over a white image. The keywords/phrases I would use, if I were to even use a technique (which I haven't found necessary to get good results), would be the same ones I would use in the text of the regular pages. I am interested in using such a technique (colored text over a same-colored image) primarily on opening splash pages, where the emphasis is on graphic design and not content. On pages such as these, there may not even be any text that is readable by the bot. I wouldn't even want to use an alt tag because I wouldn't want it to pop up when the image had mouse point over it. I may have to contact Google and ask that question... Rick -Original Message- From: Marty Johll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: search engines For more information, here's a slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220tid=217 On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: search engines Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201488 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
(OT) RE: search engines
The article points out some legitimate uses of cloaking that Google allows, but which violate their own rules. I like the idea that was proposed in the article that Google modify their guidelines and allow some controversial techniques. I don't like the permission idea...that could slow things down to a crawl. But to say that a webmaster could use cloaking if the cloaked material were relevant to the site content or contained in the site content to increase rankings would be a good idea to me... Rick -Original Message- From: Marty Johll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:45 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: search engines Oh, and one other where Google punished an internal (Adwords) unit for doing serving up different content to the bot vs user: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1774677,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K594 Marty On Apr 5, 2005 8:39 AM, Marty Johll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For more information, here's a slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/31/196220tid=217 On Apr 4, 2005 4:26 PM, Rick Faircloth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: search engines Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201492 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: search engines
Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201438 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: search engines
Good to knowthanks for the heads up, Dave! Rick -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 5:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: search engines Someone brought up serving up different content to a bot then to the viewers as being a viable solution but wordpress just found out the hard way thats not the way to go. Google officials declined to comment on why WordPress.org pages had dropped from the company's index, but its Webmaster policies bar techniques that display different content to its crawler than to site visitors. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:201441 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
What are some strategies for removing references to old dynamically generated pages from search engine indexes? The problem I run into is that the CFM page will exist, it will execute, but the referenced data is often expired. A typical URL might look like: http://www.mysite.com/mypage.cfm?id=6957807 I can display an error message, and/or do a redirect using CFLOCATION, but the URL generally stays in the search engine indexes for quite some time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:192947 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
.HTAccess file...or robots.txt Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? What are some strategies for removing references to old dynamically generated pages from search engine indexes? The problem I run into is that the CFM page will exist, it will execute, but the referenced data is often expired. A typical URL might look like: http://www.mysite.com/mypage.cfm?id=6957807 I can display an error message, and/or do a redirect using CFLOCATION, but the URL generally stays in the search engine indexes for quite some time. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:192957 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
That sounds like a maintenance nightmare. We're talking about thousands of entries over the course of a year or two. For example, news stories or event postings might run a few days or months, then drop off. Many of the records reference paid listings that can also be un-expired by changing an end date, so any time someone edits a record I might have to rewrite the whole robots.txt file. - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? .HTAccess file...or robots.txt Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? What are some strategies for removing references to old dynamically generated pages from search engine indexes? The problem I run into is that the CFM page will exist, it will execute, but the referenced data is often expired. A typical URL might look like: http://www.mysite.com/mypage.cfm?id=6957807 I can display an error message, and/or do a redirect using CFLOCATION, but the URL generally stays in the search engine indexes for quite some time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:192962 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
h...sounds like those pages shouldn't be getting indexed at all then It all depends on your situation...is it the content that gets you found of the whole site's concept? If it's the concept...ditch those pages from getting indexedif it's all about the dynamic content then you've got problems. An error is really bad if a bots sees it...so you could at least re-direct (bots don't like that much either) any not found pages. Tough call...glad it's not mine ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? That sounds like a maintenance nightmare. We're talking about thousands of entries over the course of a year or two. For example, news stories or event postings might run a few days or months, then drop off. Many of the records reference paid listings that can also be un-expired by changing an end date, so any time someone edits a record I might have to rewrite the whole robots.txt file. - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? .HTAccess file...or robots.txt Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? What are some strategies for removing references to old dynamically generated pages from search engine indexes? The problem I run into is that the CFM page will exist, it will execute, but the referenced data is often expired. A typical URL might look like: http://www.mysite.com/mypage.cfm?id=6957807 I can display an error message, and/or do a redirect using CFLOCATION, but the URL generally stays in the search engine indexes for quite some time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:192965 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
Maybe you should use robots.txt to ignore the articles themselves, but allow it to index a page that lists articles. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? That sounds like a maintenance nightmare. We're talking about thousands of entries over the course of a year or two. For example, news stories or event postings might run a few days or months, then drop off. Many of the records reference paid listings that can also be un-expired by changing an end date, so any time someone edits a record I might have to rewrite the whole robots.txt file. - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:56 PM Subject: Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? .HTAccess file...or robots.txt Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.electricedgesystems.com - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? What are some strategies for removing references to old dynamically generated pages from search engine indexes? The problem I run into is that the CFM page will exist, it will execute, but the referenced data is often expired. A typical URL might look like: http://www.mysite.com/mypage.cfm?id=6957807 I can display an error message, and/or do a redirect using CFLOCATION, but the URL generally stays in the search engine indexes for quite some time. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:192973 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
If robots.txt entries aren't an available option, make all CF 404's redirect to a certain page via CF's 404 handler. You can do the same with IIS 404's. This can be an 'oops' page or it can just be a redirect to the site's home page. If the content is statically published and expired, I usually don't rely on the 404 handler I have in place and instead publish a linkrot page that does the desired redirection. Its something the cms does on its own as part of its expiration management. Doing a linkrot page also handles the bots that ignore robots.txt, if there are still any out there, as well as bookmarked links. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:192983 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
They won't generate CF 404 errors. A request for http://www.mysite.com/validpage.cfm?id=invalidrecordnumber will successfully pull up validpage.cfm and generate an HTTP 200 status code. It would take a reference to http://www.mysite.com/invalidpage.cfm to launch the CF 404 error handler. But invalid CF pages generally aren't in the SE indexES unless the template itself were deleted, renamed, or moved. - Original Message - From: Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines? If robots.txt entries aren't an available option, make all CF 404's redirect to a certain page via CF's 404 handler. You can do the same with IIS 404's. This can be an 'oops' page or it can just be a redirect to the site's home page. If the content is statically published and expired, I usually don't rely on the 404 handler I have in place and instead publish a linkrot page that does the desired redirection. Its something the cms does on its own as part of its expiration management. Doing a linkrot page also handles the bots that ignore robots.txt, if there are still any out there, as well as bookmarked links. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:192987 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: How to remove dynamic content from search engines?
I've got what I call 'pseudo-static' pages that are named like http://www.mysite.com/invalidpage.cfm but are in fact dynamic. Once they are deleted the aftermath is handled by the 404 handler or by publishing a linkrot page that does a redirect. For your first example, I check for that ID number and if recordcount=0 I redirect. No 200 error. This is done in Application.cfm. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193020 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: (OT?) White space and search engines
I can't back you up with data, but don't forget forms (value attributes of input, option and content of textarea). Pascal -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2004 06:10 To: CF-Talk Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
Hi Michael, Less whitespace is always a good thing, but it's not really a big issue for search engines. The code to content ratio (ie, efficiency of html) is more of an issue, as is getting the relevant keyword-rich content as close to the top of the page as possible. I guess what I'm trying to say is that good, valid, fat-free html is far, far more useful for improving search engine rankings than removing whitespace ever will be. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:10:04 -0400, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
Why not just enable HTTP compression on the web server? -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
it will make the page smaller It will surely do, but may be not as much as one could think. When one look at the source code of a page, one can be amazed by the percentage of white space, sometimes it looks like 50% of the page is white space. However the white space is mostly caused by tabs that count for 8 spaces, and one or two CR or LF character that look like one entire line. So this 50% of apparent white space in the page may be caused by may be 5% only of the characters. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: (OT?) White space and search engines
Didn't think of those. Thanks. _ From: Pascal Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 3:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: (OT?) White space and search engines I can't back you up with data, but don't forget forms (value attributes of input, option and content of textarea). Pascal -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 August 2004 06:10 To: CF-Talk Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: (OT?) White space and search engines
http compression on a dynamic page? Yes, it'll make the stream faster but the actual content is the same. Even with white space management turned on, CF has extra space that can't be removed by a web server based compression engine (at least not efficiently). If I'm wrong, please let me know as I have limited experience with webserver based compressors. _ From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (OT?) White space and search engines Why not just enable HTTP compression on the web server? -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: (OT?) White space and search engines
Actually, it counts heavily on coding style. I like lots of space, indents and the like in my code. You read my code and it's beautiful. This does add extra material to the html source. Just look at an average archive page (go to the link at bottom) and you'll see extra space. _ it will make the page smaller It will surely do, but may be not as much as one could think. When one look at the source code of a page, one can be amazed by the percentage of white space, sometimes it looks like 50% of the page is white space. However the white space is mostly caused by tabs that count for 8 spaces, and one or two CR or LF character that look like one entire line. So this 50% of apparent white space in the page may be caused by may be 5% only of the characters. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
I like lots of space, indents and the like in my code. Sure, it helps for readibility, but what I mean is that it does not take as many characters as the apparent space they generate. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
My understanding is that there are two basic kinds of http compression. One creates a compressed cache file on the first request and the second time it's requested, the server send the compressed version. With dynamic compression, it does the compression on request. Add-in modules like mod_gzip for Apache are required for the dynamic compression. And if I understand gzip correctly, the extra spaces should be the easiest type of thing to compress. Server administrators may be concerned that mod_gzip will place a heavy burden on their systems as files are compressed on the fly. I argue against that, pointing out that this does not seem to concern the administrators of Slashdot, one of the busiest Web servers on the Internet, who use mod_gzip in their very high-traffic environment. http://webcompression.org/gzip-compress.html mod_gzip http://sourceforge.net/projects/mod-gzip/ HyperWeb http://www.ehyperspace.com/products/hyperweb.html But I'm not a server admin, so I'm just going on information that my server guy mentioned a while ago. -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 9:39 AM Subject: RE: (OT?) White space and search engines http compression on a dynamic page? Yes, it'll make the stream faster but the actual content is the same. Even with white space management turned on, CF has extra space that can't be removed by a web server based compression engine (at least not efficiently). If I'm wrong, please let me know as I have limited experience with webserver based compressors. _ From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:56 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: (OT?) White space and search engines Why not just enable HTTP compression on the web server? -Kevin - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
Oh. I glossed over the SEO aspect. I don't recall anything about better placement because of a single line. Erika would probably know though. -Kevin I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
CF has a free gzip cfx thats been available for quite awhile.Works great.You need cfx_GZip and cf_GZipPage.I've been running it on its highest setting for years with no trouble. -- --Matt Robertson-- MSB Designs, Inc. mysecretbase.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
(OT?) White space and search engines
I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
DEATH TO CODE READABILITY?!!! - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: (OT?) White space and search engines
Yes and no. The tag does not change the source code, only how it's expressed to the browser (i.e. the end result html, not the original cfm page). It's a module that wraps a page and compresses it. Normal, well formatted html in and tight one line html out for the browser (or search agent) to read. You'll have to take the tag out or uncompress the html to debug it, but you'd only use the tag on finished code anyway. DEATH TO CODE READABILITY?!!! - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: (OT?) White space and search engines I'm giving a presentation on RegEx this Wed. and one of the things I'll be showing is a tight little piece of code that will compress a webpage by removing all 'extra' spaces (and tabs, new lines, etc.) from all places other than script and pre tags. I'm under the impression that if this is done, it will make the page smaller and also increase the pages search engine position as it makes the entire page exist on one line (more if script or pre is used). Can anyone back this impression up with real data? Thanks p.s. Yes, the tag will be publicly released as an article in FA and on the front of HoF as soon as the user group presentation is over. -- Michael Dinowitz http://www.houseoffusion.com For all your ColdFusion needs [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: counting clicks on links - search engines
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:41:17 -0400, Andrew Grosset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is: will the search engines follow that link to the final destination and would cflocation be best used or a meta refresh in the link_counter.cfm page? As I understand it, that won't work very well. Much of the benefit of link directories lies in the search engines counting how many other sites link to a particular site, to calculate the site's perceived importance. Search engine spiders wouldn't see your example link as a link to houseoffusion... they'd see it as a link to the same site. I believe cflocation sends a 301 moved header (I could be wrong, I always get 301 and 302 mixed up) so search engines might be hesitant to consider it a permanent link. Ditto with meta refresh... most spiders just won't bother following it. Here's how I'm planning on building a link directory for a tourism site I'm involved with: a href=""> > falseExample Site/a (onclick can be a function or whatever counting method you want) Spiders (and other _javascript_ disabled user agents) will follow the href link... other users will use the script and count the hit. It won't be perfect (ie, it won't count non-js agents) but I think it's a good alternative and is search engine friendly. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: counting clicks on links - search engines
Many thanks, that's an excellent idea. regards, Andrew. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:41:17 -0400, Andrew Grosset [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: My question is: will the search engines follow that link to the final destination and would cflocation be best used or a meta refresh in the link_counter. cfm page? As I understand it, that won't work very well. Much of the benefit of link directories lies in the search engines counting how many other sites link to a particular site, to calculate the site's perceived importance. Search engine spiders wouldn't see your example link as a link to houseoffusion... they'd see it as a link to the same site. I believe cflocation sends a 301 moved header (I could be wrong, I always get 301 and 302 mixed up) so search engines might be hesitant to consider it a permanent link. Ditto with meta refresh... most spiders just won't bother following it. Here's how I'm planning on building a link directory for a tourism site I'm involved with: a href=""> > falseExample Site/a (onclick can be a function or whatever counting method you want) Spiders (and other _javascript_ disabled user agents) will follow the href link... other users will use the script and count the hit. It won't be perfect (ie, it won't count non-js agents) but I think it's a good alternative and is search engine friendly. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak. com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: counting clicks on links - search engines
the relocation performed by counter.cfm (to take you to example.com) would NOT be indexed or followed by spiders/robots SEO firms will tell you to avoid ALL meta refreshes or relocation techniques (we're in the middle of SEO right now for one of our client sites) HTH Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Andrew Grosset To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: Re: counting clicks on links - search engines Many thanks, that's an excellent idea. regards, Andrew. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:41:17 -0400, Andrew Grosset [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: My question is: will the search engines follow that link to the final destination and would cflocation be best used or a meta refresh in the link_counter. cfm page? As I understand it, that won't work very well. Much of the benefit of link directories lies in the search engines counting how many other sites link to a particular site, to calculate the site's perceived importance. Search engine spiders wouldn't see your example link as a link to houseoffusion... they'd see it as a link to the same site. I believe cflocation sends a 301 moved header (I could be wrong, I always get 301 and 302 mixed up) so search engines might be hesitant to consider it a permanent link. Ditto with meta refresh... most spiders just won't bother following it. Here's how I'm planning on building a link directory for a tourism site I'm involved with: a href=""> > falseExample Site/a (onclick can be a function or whatever counting method you want) Spiders (and other _javascript_ disabled user agents) will follow the href link... other users will use the script and count the hit. It won't be perfect (ie, it won't count non-js agents) but I think it's a good alternative and is search engine friendly. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak. com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: counting clicks on links - search engines
Bryan, I'm not sure I understand why this example won't be indexed/followed by spiders. Are you saying that the spider is smart enough to recognize that there is an onClick event handler in the anchor tag and thus it will ignore the link that is in the href? Cheers, Brendan Canty NorthPoint Domain On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:26:50 -0700, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the relocation performed by counter.cfm (to take you to example.com) would NOT be indexed or followed by spiders/robots SEO firms will tell you to avoid ALL meta refreshes or relocation techniques (we're in the middle of SEO right now for one of our client sites) HTH Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Andrew Grosset To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: Re: counting clicks on links - search engines Many thanks, that's an excellent idea. regards, Andrew. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:41:17 -0400, Andrew Grosset [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: My question is: will the search engines follow that link to the final destination and would cflocation be best used or a meta refresh in the link_counter. cfm page? As I understand it, that won't work very well. Much of the benefit of link directories lies in the search engines counting how many other sites link to a particular site, to calculate the site's perceived importance. Search engine spiders wouldn't see your example link as a link to houseoffusion... they'd see it as a link to the same site. I believe cflocation sends a 301 moved header (I could be wrong, I always get 301 and 302 mixed up) so search engines might be hesitant to consider it a permanent link. Ditto with meta refresh... most spiders just won't bother following it. Here's how I'm planning on building a link directory for a tourism site I'm involved with: a href=""> > falseExample Site/a (onclick can be a function or whatever counting method you want) Spiders (and other _javascript_ disabled user agents) will follow the href link... other users will use the script and count the hit. It won't be perfect (ie, it won't count non-js agents) but I think it's a good alternative and is search engine friendly. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak. com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Re: counting clicks on links - search engines
Hey Brendan, Oh...I see what you're doing... -assuming that most robots/spiders act like browsers without JS turned on -they would only follow the href and not the onClick -then links are followed...but normal users would go through the click tracking route via counter.cfm In theory it sounds good...but I'd run it by an SEO pro to be sure.It is possible for that approach to be viewed by the search engines as misleading.I say this because the href and the onClick go to different places (even though the user/spider/robot all get sent to example.com). I would liken this to having a text based menu for spiders to follow with a DHTML menu a layer above the text based menu (hiding the text based menu from normal users).Even though both menus take spiders and users to the same page...even with the same links (unlike your example)...it can be considered misleading because text is being hidden.So even though your intention is not to be misleading...the exact same technique could be used to place special keywords in the hidden text menu layer in order to boost rankings etc. Hope that made sense ;-) Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Brendan Canty To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: counting clicks on links - search engines Bryan, I'm not sure I understand why this example won't be indexed/followed by spiders. Are you saying that the spider is smart enough to recognize that there is an onClick event handler in the anchor tag and thus it will ignore the link that is in the href? Cheers, Brendan Canty NorthPoint Domain On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:26:50 -0700, Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the relocation performed by counter.cfm (to take you to example.com) would NOT be indexed or followed by spiders/robots SEO firms will tell you to avoid ALL meta refreshes or relocation techniques (we're in the middle of SEO right now for one of our client sites) HTH Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Andrew Grosset To: CF-Talk Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:44 AM Subject: Re: counting clicks on links - search engines Many thanks, that's an excellent idea. regards, Andrew. On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:41:17 -0400, Andrew Grosset [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: My question is: will the search engines follow that link to the final destination and would cflocation be best used or a meta refresh in the link_counter. cfm page? As I understand it, that won't work very well. Much of the benefit of link directories lies in the search engines counting how many other sites link to a particular site, to calculate the site's perceived importance. Search engine spiders wouldn't see your example link as a link to houseoffusion... they'd see it as a link to the same site. I believe cflocation sends a 301 moved header (I could be wrong, I always get 301 and 302 mixed up) so search engines might be hesitant to consider it a permanent link. Ditto with meta refresh... most spiders just won't bother following it. Here's how I'm planning on building a link directory for a tourism site I'm involved with: a href=""> > falseExample Site/a (onclick can be a function or whatever counting method you want) Spiders (and other _javascript_ disabled user agents) will follow the href link... other users will use the script and count the hit. It won't be perfect (ie, it won't count non-js agents) but I think it's a good alternative and is search engine friendly. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak. com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
counting clicks on links - search engines
Links on page go to a template that calls database adds 1 click and redirects to correct page etc etc. My question is: will the search engines follow that link to the final destination and would cflocation be best used or a meta refresh in the link_counter.cfm page? a href="" of Fusion.com/a [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
Search Engines CFID/CFTOKEN
I use a udf to create all of my links (i.e. createLink(myLink), in order to append cfid/cftoken to every url.However, I don't want search engines to index my sites with a cfid/cftoken.Any way around this? Thanks, Brad [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Search Engines CFID/CFTOKEN
On Friday 19 Mar 2004 13:22 pm, Brad Roberts wrote: append cfid/cftoken to every url.However, I don't want search engines to index my sites with a cfid/cftoken.Any way around this? Check the browser string and do something different if it's a spider. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Search Engines CFID/CFTOKEN
I've thought about that... but, what's the best way to implement it? Maybe... cfif findNoCase(cgi.user_agent, google) don't append cfid/cftoken cfelse append cfid/cftoken /cfif Without keeping a massive list of search engine UA's, is there a another way to check for spiders?Or, would you just comprise a list of the top crawlers, and if so, any suggestions on a list of (popular) words to test against? -Brad -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search Engines CFID/CFTOKEN On Friday 19 Mar 2004 13:22 pm, Brad Roberts wrote: append cfid/cftoken to every url.However, I don't want search engines to index my sites with a cfid/cftoken.Any way around this? Check the browser string and do something different if it's a spider. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: SOT: Internal/Intranet Search Engines - What to ask the sales critters
Jeremy Brodie wrote: Larry, Some of the critical questions to help you in your search. 1) Do you need to search locally from a CD/DVD or from a server? 2) In what file format is the manual (PDF, word docs, etc) 3) What will you use as your user interface for searching the manual (flash, HTML, etc)? 4) What is your budget? 5) Are there any components of the manual located on the server (diagrams, videos, and so on)? 6) If using a CD, what platforms will the target audiance use? If you're searching directly from a CD/DVD then you'll need to bundle DT search (the others require a server) and create an interface that interacts with the search program either using Flash or Java Swing (assuming not everyone has Windows). Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company Good questions. As far as I know (remember its a friend who looking at the search engines) its for technicians and engineers who need to access the technical manuals on the shop floor. As far as I know, the computers will all be the same. I've passed along the question list to my friend. Again thanks for your help. larry [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:SOT: Internal/Intranet Search Engines - What to ask the sales critters
Larry, Some of the critical questions to help you in your search. 1) Do you need to search locally from a CD/DVD or from a server? 2) In what file format is the manual (PDF, word docs, etc) 3) What will you use as your user interface for searching the manual (flash, HTML, etc)? 4) What is your budget? 5) Are there any components of the manual located on the server (diagrams, videos, and so on)? 6) If using a CD, what platforms will the target audiance use? If you're searching directly from a CD/DVD then you'll need to bundle DT search (the others require a server) and create an interface that interacts with the search program either using Flash or Java Swing (assuming not everyone has Windows). Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company web: http://www.edgewater.com phone:(703) 815-2500 nasdaq symbol: EDGE Thanks Jeremy. I don't think that this is really for a CMS system rather for an on-line manual (IETM's Interactive Electronic Technical Manuals). But I agree with your point regarding the database searches. As for the location of the data, from what I understand its going to be on the corporate servers and local hard drives. regards, larry [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
SOT: Internal/Intranet Search Engines - What to ask the sales critters
Greetings, The company a friend of mine works for is starting to look at search engines like Verity, Google, Altavista or DTSearch for searching as he puts it: they want to be able to search the IETM database (on their own server for their DWAN, which they call a web server because it uses the same protocols) and also on the end user's own hard drive. He's been tasked to look into it and get some ideas and estimates. Anyhow he's not experienced enough in this area to ask intelligent questions about this to the sales people. For some reason he thought I might be, (fool that he is in that case). Anyhow its not my area, but I thought that someone on the CF-Talk list might have some experience with these or other intranet search engines and would be willing to give hints etc. Any help or suggestions on what to ask would be appreciated. I'll be passing all suggestions over to him. regards, larry [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:SOT: Internal/Intranet Search Engines - What to ask the sales critters
Larry, This all depends on what you're trying to do and your budget. Here's some information 1) Google is a 2u search appliance that you would fit on a rack. The appliance runs into the thousands of dollars-- but then you're using Google. Google is a document search, not a database search. 2) DT Search. This product is a much cheeper alterantive. Although not as powerful for the enterprise, if you need search capability for a flash program for a DVD this could be your choice. Keep in mind this product only searches documents as well. 3) Verity; A good choice if you're using CF since its bundled with the system. If you have less than 250,000 records in your database. Plus Cold Fusion allows you to add database fields to the list of items being searched If your CMS really is database driven and does not have documents, you could use the SOUNDEX functionality Within oracle or SQL Server to build your search. The bigger question is the location of the documents themselves users hard drive, central server, internet, database. Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company web: http://www.edgewater.com phone:(703) 815-2500 nasdaq symbol: EDGE Greetings, The company a friend of mine works for is starting to look at search engines like Verity, Google, Altavista or DTSearch for searching as he puts it: they want to be able to search the IETM database (on their own server for their DWAN, which they call a web server because it uses the same protocols) and also on the end user's own hard drive. He's been tasked to look into it and get some ideas and estimates. Anyhow he's not experienced enough in this area to ask intelligent questions about this to the sales people. For some reason he thought I might be, (fool that he is in that case). Anyhow its not my area, but I thought that someone on the CF-Talk list might have some experience with these or other intranet search engines and would be willing to give hints etc. Any help or suggestions on what to ask would be appreciated. I'll be passing all suggestions over to him. regards, larry [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: SOT: Internal/Intranet Search Engines - What to ask the sales critters
Jeremy Brodie wrote: Larry, This all depends on what you're trying to do and your budget. Here's some information 1) Google is a 2u search appliance that you would fit on a rack. The appliance runs into the thousands of dollars-- but then you're using Google. Google is a document search, not a database search. 2) DT Search. This product is a much cheeper alterantive. Although not as powerful for the enterprise, if you need search capability for a flash program for a DVD this could be your choice. Keep in mind this product only searches documents as well. 3) Verity; A good choice if you're using CF since its bundled with the system. If you have less than 250,000 records in your database. Plus Cold Fusion allows you to add database fields to the list of items being searched If your CMS really is database driven and does not have documents, you could use the SOUNDEX functionality Within oracle or SQL Server to build your search. The bigger question is the location of the documents themselves users hard drive, central server, internet, database. Jeremy Brodie Intelix an Edgewater Technology Solutions Company web: http://www.edgewater.com phone:(703) 815-2500 nasdaq symbol: EDGE Thanks Jeremy. I don't think that this is really for a CMS system rather for an on-line manual (IETM's Interactive Electronic Technical Manuals). But I agree with your point regarding the database searches. As for the location of the data, from what I understand its going to be on the corporate servers and local hard drives. regards, larry [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:Third-Party Search Engines with Customizeable Results?
Does you mean...I meant Do you mean or does it mean An editing feature for the forum seems very desirable. Does you mean giving users the ability of search the whole site or search one to many sections?If a user chooses to search the whole site, display the results like: Resultsets: Section A: ... Section C: ... ... If so, and if your database is not that huge (GB bytes and GB bytes), you could use SQL-based search engine vs. verity etc.Tie your db design to your search engine.Quite doable.Search is one of my favorite topics.Shoot me an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you'd like to discuss further. Li, Chunshen (Don) We are currently using FreeFind for many of our clients, and it does a very nice job of providing search functionality, but our clients are increasingly asking for something that allows for a customized set of search results pages. For instance, several of our clients would like a search engine that displays the results by *section* of the website, and then by relevance within those sections. 1) Does anyone know of a search engine that does this? 2) What other search engines do people use that they're happy with? Kelly Tetterton duo | Technical Lead One Web Company. Twice the Results. 312.224.9650 | main 312.224.9648 | direct 312.224.9651 | fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duodesign.com duoDesign is a Web development and marketing firm that combines expertise in design, technology and online promotion to help businesses and organizations use the Internet marketing channel to greatest advantage. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Third-Party Search Engines with Customizeable Results?
We are currently using FreeFind for many of our clients, and it does a very nice job of providing search functionality, but our clients are increasingly asking for something that allows for a customized set of search results pages. For instance, several of our clients would like a search engine that displays the results by *section* of the website, and then by relevance within those sections. 1) Does anyone know of a search engine that does this? 2) What other search engines do people use that they're happy with? Kelly Tetterton duo | Technical Lead One Web Company. Twice the Results. 312.224.9650 | main 312.224.9648 | direct 312.224.9651 | fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duodesign.com duoDesign is a Web development and marketing firm that combines expertise in design, technology and online promotion to help businesses and organizations use the Internet marketing channel to greatest advantage. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: Third-Party Search Engines with Customizeable Results?
We are currently using FreeFind for many of our clients, and it does a very nice job of providing search functionality, but our clients are increasingly asking for something that allows for a customized set of search results pages. For instance, several of our clients would like a search engine that displays the results by *section* of the website, and then by relevance within those sections. 1) Does anyone know of a search engine that does this? 2) What other search engines do people use that they're happy with? I'm not familiar with FreeFind, but it seems to me that you can probably get where you want using the bundled version of Verity that comes with CF. Or, if you're using MS SQL Server and/or IIS, you can use Microsoft's full-text search functionality. You can certainly customize both the search and results interfaces in either case. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Third-Party Search Engines with Customizeable Results?
Kelly Tetterton wrote: We are currently using FreeFind for many of our clients, and it does a very nice job of providing search functionality, but our clients are increasingly asking for something that allows for a customized set of search results pages. For instance, several of our clients would like a search engine that displays the results by *section* of the website, and then by relevance within those sections. 1) Does anyone know of a search engine that does this? 2) What other search engines do people use that they're happy with? Take a look at Atomz http://www.atomz.com I think they do what your looking for. I've never used them but I've seen a demo. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:Third-Party Search Engines with Customizeable Results?
Does you mean giving users the ability of search the whole site or search one to many sections?If a user chooses to search the whole site, display the results like: Resultsets: Section A: ... Section C: ... ... If so, and if your database is not that huge (GB bytes and GB bytes), you could use SQL-based search engine vs. verity etc.Tie your db design to your search engine.Quite doable.Search is one of my favorite topics.Shoot me an email at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you'd like to discuss further. Li, Chunshen (Don) We are currently using FreeFind for many of our clients, and it does a very nice job of providing search functionality, but our clients are increasingly asking for something that allows for a customized set of search results pages. For instance, several of our clients would like a search engine that displays the results by *section* of the website, and then by relevance within those sections. 1) Does anyone know of a search engine that does this? 2) What other search engines do people use that they're happy with? Kelly Tetterton duo | Technical Lead One Web Company. Twice the Results. 312.224.9650 | main 312.224.9648 | direct 312.224.9651 | fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.duodesign.com duoDesign is a Web development and marketing firm that combines expertise in design, technology and online promotion to help businesses and organizations use the Internet marketing channel to greatest advantage. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Query String for Search Engines
I've bee doing some research on Search engines for dynamic sites... one thing I've run across is this statement: Reconfigure your Cold Fusion setup to replace the ? in a query string with a '/' and pass the value to the URL. I can understand how to do this programmatically, but what set up change would do this automatically? Thanks in advance Sincerely yours, Jim Gurfein President RestaurantRow.com, Inc. http://www.restaurantrow.com 914.921.3200 Ext 101 914.921.9190 fax ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137650 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
RE: Query String for Search Engines
No need to do that at all. It might have been true a LONG LONG time ago, but all search engines can cope with dynamic urls these days. I wouldn't bother. Craig. -Original Message- From: Jim Gurfein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 September 2003 12:31 To: CF-Talk Subject: Query String for Search Engines I've bee doing some research on Search engines for dynamic sites... one thing I've run across is this statement: Reconfigure your Cold Fusion setup to replace the ? in a query string with a '/' and pass the value to the URL. I can understand how to do this programmatically, but what set up change would do this automatically? Thanks in advance Sincerely yours, Jim Gurfein President RestaurantRow.com, Inc. http://www.restaurantrow.com 914.921.3200 Ext 101 914.921.9190 fax ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=i:4:137651 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com
Search Engines , bookmarks and security
I've got a shopping cart on a few sites where my original code passes the order number on the URL. Now, my system checks to see if an Order Number is passed on the URL, and if so, checks to see if it's older than 30 minutes old... if it is, I present a message saying it's expired. In the three years this has been used, I've never gotten a complaint from a client or shopper about the time frame. My problem is this - someone claims they entered the site with a link that had someone else's order number in the URL and that they were able to see that person's personal information and this INCLUDED their credit card info!! Now, first, this can only happen if it's within that 30 minute period but JEEZE LOUISE I can never afford to allow that to happen. Now, I have NO idea how they got that link with that order number, and rather than attempting to figure THAT out, I want to eliminate the Order Number from the URL. The problem is it's in a couple hundred locations on the site. I've read a bunch about session variables, UUIDs, and such, but I'm floundering here trying to figure out how to tap into a UUID process that's generated native to Cold Fusion, rather than me creating the Unique order number by a date/time scramble, then placing that into a cookie THEN replacing the massive number of references on the site in some less than excruciatingly tedious and time consuming way... especially when I factor in multiple sites! Suggestions on best practices here? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Search Engines
We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
We've started to do some work with Lucene by using the lindex tags included in the latest DRK. The search itself works pretty well, although we've had to jump through some hoops to get content out of a database, into files, and then into the index. Seems as fast or faster than Verity and doesn't have the document number limitations that the bundled engine has. Matt -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
Ryan What db are you using? If you're using SQL server - full text search may be an option? Kola -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2003 14:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Search Engines
We're using DB2, which I believe has some full-text stuff, but I've been asked to come up with some options. Also, OS is Solaris 8 and we'd prefer to stick with that on a separate search server, unless something is really, really slick and has to run on something else. Ryan - Original Message - From: Kola Oyedeji [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Search Engines Ryan What db are you using? If you're using SQL server - full text search may be an option? Kola -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2003 14:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
Hi Ryan, We used to use verity but when we started indexing over 3million files it got very slow indeed. We now use lucene to index flat files and database content. If you are a java coder you can write your own cfx interface to lucene and then anything you can access with java you can index with lucene. It seems a daunting task at first but once you get your head around how lucene works its really easy. To give you an idea of speed we index over 90,000 flat files in one index and the search takes about 140ms on a Sun E250. (dual proc 300mhz 1gb ram). The indexing is also far quicker. Adam. -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Search Engines
Hey, Adam, Thanks for the response! Are you exporting your database content to a flat file and then indexing it or is Lucene able to index right out of the db? Many Thanks, Ryan - Original Message - From: Adam Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: RE: Search Engines Hi Ryan, We used to use verity but when we started indexing over 3million files it got very slow indeed. We now use lucene to index flat files and database content. If you are a java coder you can write your own cfx interface to lucene and then anything you can access with java you can index with lucene. It seems a daunting task at first but once you get your head around how lucene works its really easy. To give you an idea of speed we index over 90,000 flat files in one index and the search takes about 140ms on a Sun E250. (dual proc 300mhz 1gb ram). The indexing is also far quicker. Adam. -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Search Engines We currently use the canned verity search features that come with CF 5, but we're outgrowing it. Can anyone give me a few leads on alternative search engines other than K2? I'd like a few options to explore. BTW, we're indexing text out of a database, not pages on the site. Thanks! Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Search Engines
Hi Ryan, We are accessing the database via jdbc, quering for the columns we need and then indexing the returned data. Adam. -Original Message- From: Ryan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 July 2003 15:42 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Search Engines Hey, Adam, Thanks for the response! Are you exporting your database content to a flat file and then indexing it or is Lucene able to index right out of the db? Many Thanks, Ryan ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
MX and URL trick for search engines
We use the trick of replacing the ampersands and question marks in a URL with slashes in order to have our website indexed by search engines. Instead of having the URL appear as: MySite.cfm?VarName=Value it appears as MyPage.cfm/VarName/Value This works extremely well in CF5 on IIS5 (patched to the hilt). The functionality happened, as I recall, out of the box. We saw the method recommended in fusebox and adopted it. We are now configuring CFMX on a development server, and all of a sudden it is broken. We never ran CF5 on this server as a control, so it could be IIS that is misconfigured or has a patch that stops this behavior, although we just built out another CF5 server on a fully patched IIS install and had no problems. There is a third party ISAPI filter that will do this in IIS, but I'm wondering what has happened to break this. Any ideas? Thanks, Matt __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX and URL trick for search engines
On Tuesday, July 30, 2002, at 08:08 , MW wrote: MyPage.cfm/VarName/Value We are now configuring CFMX on a development server, and all of a sudden it is broken. In CFMX, CGI.PATH_INFO should contain /VarName/Value - I believe this is slightly different behavior to CF5? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX and URL trick for search engines
I use this code as a custom tag. It requires cgi.path_info and cgi.script_name It transforms cgi.path_info into url variables you can urls like index.cfm/fuseaction/showrecord/id/23 with the custom you will get two url variables url.fuseaction=showrecord url.id=23 cfset lRawUrlParam=Replace(cgi.path_info,script_name,) cfset aRawUrlParam=ListToArray(lRawUrlParam,/) cfloop from=1 to=#ArrayLen(aRawUrlParam)# index=i step=2 cfif i mod 2 eq 1 and i+1 lte ArrayLen(aRawUrlParam) cfset url.#aRawUrlParam[i]#=Evaluate(aRawUrlParam[i+1])/cfif /cfloop - Original Message - From: MW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: MX and URL trick for search engines We use the trick of replacing the ampersands and question marks in a URL with slashes in order to have our website indexed by search engines. Instead of having the URL appear as: MySite.cfm?VarName=Value it appears as MyPage.cfm/VarName/Value This works extremely well in CF5 on IIS5 (patched to the hilt). The functionality happened, as I recall, out of the box. We saw the method recommended in fusebox and adopted it. We are now configuring CFMX on a development server, and all of a sudden it is broken. We never ran CF5 on this server as a control, so it could be IIS that is misconfigured or has a patch that stops this behavior, although we just built out another CF5 server on a fully patched IIS install and had no problems. There is a third party ISAPI filter that will do this in IIS, but I'm wondering what has happened to break this. Any ideas? Thanks, Matt __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: MX and URL trick for search engines
See cfdev.com's products -Original Message- From: MW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: MX and URL trick for search engines We use the trick of replacing the ampersands and question marks in a URL with slashes in order to have our website indexed by search engines. Instead of having the URL appear as: MySite.cfm?VarName=Value it appears as MyPage.cfm/VarName/Value This works extremely well in CF5 on IIS5 (patched to the hilt). The functionality happened, as I recall, out of the box. We saw the method recommended in fusebox and adopted it. We are now configuring CFMX on a development server, and all of a sudden it is broken. We never ran CF5 on this server as a control, so it could be IIS that is misconfigured or has a patch that stops this behavior, although we just built out another CF5 server on a fully patched IIS install and had no problems. There is a third party ISAPI filter that will do this in IIS, but I'm wondering what has happened to break this. Any ideas? Thanks, Matt __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
