TCP connection drops after 11 minutes [7:62855]

2003-02-12 Thread Jason Dimagiba
Hello everyone, it's been a while since I last posted a message on this 
board 

My question is:

I currently experience a session timeout after 11 minutes running a 
query on  IE5.  I was thinking it may be the MTU size being set 
incorrectly on the router.  I may be wrong but has anyone ever came 
across this in their network?  What are the things to check for?  Any 
suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

jd




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RE: tftp question [7:62852]

2003-02-12 Thread Danny Mesrop
It is possible if you give the user a privilege level etc..
So first you create a privelege level.. say 7 and allow the user to do a
copy run tftp i.e

privilege exec level 7 copy running-config tftp

username test privilege 7 password test

and that should allow them 

:)


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Re: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]

2003-02-12 Thread Cisco Nuts
John,

First...CONGRATS
You can do it!!
Yes, there area moments when you feel that way...especially the first couple 
of timesbut in the end you will come out a champ!!

When I started teaching the CCNA/NP a couple of years back, I too felt the 
same initially, but personally, teaching has been the best thing for me in 
my life!! I love teaching and am passionate about it. I am just dying to 
pass the CCIE Lab so I can begin my own tutoring in my basement for the 
CCNA/NP/IP courses.
The trick is to really prepare for it the night before and then dive 
straight to the hands-on section in the class. Then start explaining the 
concepts about the material as you do the hands-on. Students love the 
hands-on!! Preparing your own notes help as students respect you more than 
just saying Ok guys, let's turn to page 31 and talk about Ospf. Ospf 
is.

Good Luck.









From: John Neiberger 
Reply-To: John Neiberger 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:12:07 GMT

I just feel the need to rant/vent for a bit and I knew there were a
bunch of you who might be able to relate to this.  I've started teaching
a short, one-session general networking class for some of the people
here at the bank.  The first session, which was really just a runthrough
with a handful of students, went fairly well.  In fact, it went so well
that they increased the number of overall attendees to about 60 or so.

Last week I had another session that went exceptionally well, except
for a couple of students who really didn't want to be there.  I couldn't
have asked for it to go better, and my boss heard lots of good things
about it.  One person even said I should be a professor!  :-)  Now, that
brings us to today

Today I had an afternoon class, and in my opinion it sucked rotten
eggs.  I feel embarrassed to have been involved with it.I can't
think of too many ways in which it could have gone worse.  I rambled, I
flew through 2.5 hours of material in about an hour, I lost my place a
lot.  I'm not certain that I ever formed a train of thought longer than
a couple of cars, and I think even those trains were without engine and
caboose.

Have any of you other instructors had days like that?  As I even
mentioned in class, I felt like my 'explainer' was broken today, and it
certainly was.  I'm hoping that I could get some sympathy from other
instructors with similar experiences.

Okay, I'm going to go drown my disappointment in some coffee!

John
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RE: TCP connection drops after 11 minutes [7:62855]

2003-02-12 Thread Albert Lu
Hi Jason,

Can you explain further about your issue? Is there a firewall in place? When
you are saying running a query on IE5, you mean you are doing HTTP to a
server somewhere in your network?

Albert

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Subject: TCP connection drops after 11 minutes [7:62855]


Hello everyone, it's been a while since I last posted a message on this
board 

My question is:

I currently experience a session timeout after 11 minutes running a
query on  IE5.  I was thinking it may be the MTU size being set
incorrectly on the router.  I may be wrong but has anyone ever came
across this in their network?  What are the things to check for?  Any
suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

jd




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Re: changing cat6000 from VTP Server to transparent mode [7:62859]

2003-02-12 Thread kuma kk
I don't want all vlan information to be broadcasted to all the switch... 
i.e, I want the switch to receive only the vlan information that it is 
configured for.

Thanks
kum

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Subject: Re: changing cat6000 from VTP Server to transparent mode [7:62802]
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:17:47 -0300


I do remember I had some problem related to it;  change from server to
transparent lost connectivity. It is a bad idea play with that during
production time .

What performance issue is that with Server mode?





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Hi Everybody,

I have three cat6000 switch configured in vtp in server mode in a
production
environment. Now I am going to make all of them in transparent
mode(including the switch have RSM)as there is some performance issue due
to
broadcast in server mode.

I heard that while doing so, all the vlan information will be lost in the
switches. Please share with us if any of have already tried this and came
across any issues.

Thanks in Advance
kum








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BGP config question. [7:62860]

2003-02-12 Thread Peter Walker
Folks

A quick question on external BGP connection configuration.

Given an organisation (ORG) with 2 EBGP routers (up1, up2) and two upstream 
providers (pr1, and pr2) where provider pr1 is currently linked to the 
router up1 via a serial link and provider pr2 is currently linked to router 
up2 via a traffic shaped and limited ethernet link. ORG is does not allow 
transit between the providers.

Is there any reason why ORG should not

a) connect pr1 to the same ethernet segment
b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer up2
d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over up1 to pr2

What I am looking for is technical (or business/political) reasons why this 
is a good or bad idea.

I understand that all this would give is redundancy at the router level 
(up1, up2), the ethernet link and pr2's router are all still potential 
single points of failure. I also understand that pr2 may not wish to allow 
such a configuration.

Also, what would need to be done to ensure that any changes made would not 
have any impact on decisions regarding the routing choice between pr1 and 
pr2?

Regards

Peter




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Re: AUX port and modems [7:62755]

2003-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
J,

Thanks for responding. What I am trying to do is simulate a dial-up
connection to a router without an external telephone line.

The first option looks to me good but I will not be able to program the AUX
port. Or am I wrong?

About the second option, can I connect the 2 modems back to back and still
be able to program the router to accept dial-up?

host---modem---modem--AUX (router)


Regards,
MO






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Well, I can think of a couple of ways.

The first and most obvious to me is to not use the modem at all, and just
connect the Host to the AUX port.

The second method involves using a Phone system (Key System, PBX, FXS
ports)  to connect the 2 modems (You'll need 2 modems.
Host-Modem---Modem-AUX Port).  If  I understood wha you were trying to
accomplish I could assist you better.


J

 wrote in message
news:...
 I need to connect to the AUX port using a modem. The only problem is that
I
 do not want to use an external telephone line. Is there a way to simulate
:

   host--modemAUX (router)

 Where can I find the information?

 Thanks in advance.
 MO




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Internet Connections [7:62863]

2003-02-12 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
I have a class B network subnetted using a 21 bit mask.  This network has 2
connections to the internet, 1 is by a T3 the other is a 512K T1.  Each
connection to the internet comes out of a subnet, goes through a firewall,
and then through a Cisco 7200 router.  We have static routes in place to
assure that the returning packets go to the proper firewall.  I don't know
for sure if the routers connecting to the internet are running BGP or some
thing else.  We have seen packets go out one interface and return on the
other.  I suspect that something is not right with the border routers.  Any
thoughts or suggestions?




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RE: Monitoring Memory Utilization(%) on a router. [7:62800]

2003-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This reply from my colleague makes it very clear.

 1) i do a show memory on a cisco 26xx router. It shows me the Total
 Processor Memory and Total IO memory.
 When i add up these 2 values, why is it not equal to total amount of DRAM
in
 your router (as shown by sh ver)???

Simply because Processor + I/O mem is not equal total DRAM.

The IOS loaded in RAM and additional datas need also some space:

muuma#sh ver | i with
cisco 2611 (MPC860) processor (revision 0x202) with 28672K/4096K bytes of
memory.

muuma#sh mem
Head   Total(b)Used(b)Free(b)  Lowest(b) Largest(b)
Processor  80B7D5D0   173123042375180   14937124   14745720   14822080
   I/O   1C041943041709592248471224847122484668

Below you can see that the total main memory + I/O fits the physical 32
megs:

muuma#sh region
Region Manager:

   Start End Size(b)  Class  Media  Name
  0x01C0  0x01FF 4194304  Iomem  R/Wiomem
  0x6000  0x60FF16777216  Flash  R/Oflash
  0x8000  0x81BF29360128  Local  R/Wmain
  0x80008088  0x807C18AB 8099876  IText  R/Omain:text
  0x807C18AC  0x80A78F27 2848380  IData  R/Wmain:data
  0x80A78F28  0x80B7D5CF 104  IBss   R/Wmain:bss
  0x80B7D5D0  0x81BF17312304  Local  R/Wmain:heap

That brings me to my second question::-))
Q:How do i get the total amount of DRAM installed in the router via SNMP??
Which MIB and OID?


Thanks 
Simon



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Could you send us the result of the `show memory` and `show version`.
Maybe it helps the discussion.





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Hi,

1) i do a show memory on a cisco 26xx router. It shows me the Total
Processor Memory and Total IO memory.
When i add up these 2 values, why is it not equal to total amount of DRAM
in
your router (as shown by sh ver)???

2)Assuming the sh memory output does not give us the correct picture
about
memory utilization, which MIBs and objects should we monitor to get the
memory utilization( as a %)of the router?
Or can we atleast get the free memory , used memory or total memory
via SNMP and using MIB expressions, we can compute the Memory utilization
as
a %??What are the MIBs and objects to get this info?

Cheers
Simon




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Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is.... [7:62776]

2003-02-12 Thread Steve Ringley
I've had those before...once!  Not very good.  Would not want to build a
network on them.

Logan, Harold  wrote in message
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I think your problem with the dipping dots analogy is that dipping dots have
to be served from the bottom up; there's no such thing as Top-Down Dipping
Dot Design.

Hal

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:39 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he future and it is [7:62776]


 Glad you're not depressed and are continuing your quest. You
 should consider
 being a writer. Your writing is really good, although the
 dipping dots ice
 cream analogy is just not working for me. I just can't
 imagine freeze-dried
 ice cream for one thing. Does it use dotted-decimal notation? ;-)

 Priscilla

 Charles Riley wrote:
 
  Thanks to all who wrote in.  My Kafkaseque post yesterday
  apparently touched
  a chord (or nerve) with several folks.  I was hoping to start
  an OT
  discussion on those Dippin' Dots ice cream, and draw analogies
  to
  networking.  Heck, I would even settle for Howard asking a
  variation of his
  favorite question:  what is the ice cream you are trying to
  eat?
 
  In all seriousness, I haven't abandoned all hope yet, it has
  just lessened
  in importance and intensity for me. In response to CN's
  question,  I have
  attempted the lab at least once, Brussels, way back when the
  lab was a two
  day lab, and the numbers were still quad digits.Without
  violating the NDA,
  let's just say that  I will never forgive ISDN for what it did
  to me.
 
  As far as my motives for CCIE chasing, the main reason I am
  persisting is
  that not only have I invested time, money, and freeze dried ice
  cream, but
  the CCIE quest motivates me to study topics that I don't
  necessarily deal
  with on a daily basis, and to practice exotic configurations
  with those that
  I do.  OSPF through a GRE tunnel over an ISDN DBU to the
  Dippin' Dots
  website, anyone?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Charles
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Cisco Nuts  wrote in message
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   Hello Charles,
  
   With due respect I ask, why did you abandon your quest for
  the CCIE? I am
   curious as to how many times you actually hit the Lab?
  
   Sincerely,
  
   CN
  
   From: Charles Riley Reply-To: Charles Riley To:
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab - I have seen he
  future and
   it is [7:62776] Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:19:54 GMT 
  Chuck, 
   Your post reminds me of those weird little ice cream stands
  that I
   sometimes see at the mall and various carnivals. It's called
  something
   like Dipping Dots - The Ice Cream of the Future. The
  initial human
   instinct is much like the Cro-Magnon humanoids encountering
  the monolith
   at the beginning of 2001: A Space Odyssey (sp): jump up and
  down with
   excitement until you realize it's just freeze dried ice
  cream. 
   Rounding out that analogy, the CCIE of the future will
  probably be
   reduced to being the CCNP of today. Regardless, I have spent
  too much
   time and money to abandon the quest for CCIE now, but
  frankly, if I
   hadn't invested as much as I have, I would most likely
  abandon the quest
   in favor of broadening into other areas. I really don't see
  much market
   value for the CCIE anymore, especially with Cisco hellbent
  on making it
   a meatgrinding cash cow. Your java console and one way only
  to
   configure experience kind of bears this out.  Sorry for
  the
   depressing post, just wanted to share.  Charles 
  The Long
   and Winding Road wrote in message
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...   Been
  spending this
   weekend on what was once the Cisco Advanced SE Training   (
  ASET ) set
   of labs. These are available for those whose Cisco account
  team  
   approves - there are a few conditions which can be found in
  the wee
   places   of certification training. The program is
  run by Lab
   Gear ( the only link I have is www.labgear.net,   but  
  this is a
   login page ) There are a number of labs of CCIE level, look,
  and  
   feel. Supposed to be real equipment, but the access
  is via java
   script windows,   not terminal emulation. This makes for
  some
   interesting situations. The   windows show or provide
  output only when
   they are active. So if you had two   router sessions open,
  and you
   made changes on one router that would generate   systems
  messages of
   one sort or another you would not see those messages on  
  the other.
   also, I have yet to find a way to generate output from
  debugging  
   commands. Things like term mon and logging of one kind or
  another have
   not   been successful. so no debug ip routing and debug ip
  ospf adj. 
  As with the real lab, there are a series of tasks to be
  completed.
   Grading   is done via a script. This is the point of 

Passed CCIE written exam [7:62854]

2003-02-12 Thread Paul Dong So
Hi all,

Just passed the written and feel like i need to say something. Really want
to say thanks for all the helps I gained from this study
group.

Test is 3 hours, 150 questions, single or multiple choices. If mulitple,
will give indication how many answers. Can go backward
and forward to check the questions. Passing score 58.

Highly recommend
1. Boson #1 and #3. You should make sure you either remember or understand
every answer. Don't even give up hard ones.
Only give up something you really think it is going to be nonesense if you
have to waste your brain resource  memorizing the
answers.
2. Need to understand these topics in depth: VoIP, MPLS(mpls-vpn, mpls-te),
QoS. Those are my failing points where i only
read superficially, but not in depth.
3. Try to read the online CCO website as much as you can, here is my another
failing point.
4. The rest are the usual stuffs that every one talks a lot: books to read:
Doyle's routing, lan switching, cisco press QoS, cisco
press mpls, Caslow.

Now it is time to crack the most difficult part: Lab.

Cheers,

Paul




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Re: BGP config question. [7:62860]

2003-02-12 Thread Peter van Oene
At 01:36 PM 2/12/2003 +, Peter Walker wrote:
Folks

A quick question on external BGP connection configuration.

Given an organisation (ORG) with 2 EBGP routers (up1, up2) and two upstream
providers (pr1, and pr2) where provider pr1 is currently linked to the
router up1 via a serial link and provider pr2 is currently linked to router
up2 via a traffic shaped and limited ethernet link. ORG is does not allow
transit between the providers.

Is there any reason why ORG should not

 a) connect pr1 to the same ethernet segment
 b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
 c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer up2
 d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over up1 to
pr2


I'm not sure if you are messing up your prs and ups here, but I'm not 
following you entirely. Why would you not just peer both routers and use 
prepend/med and pref to control load like most folks do? Maybe explaining 
what is better or different about this approach would help explain what the 
approach is :)

Pete





What I am looking for is technical (or business/political) reasons why this
is a good or bad idea.

I understand that all this would give is redundancy at the router level
(up1, up2), the ethernet link and pr2's router are all still potential
single points of failure. I also understand that pr2 may not wish to allow
such a configuration.

Also, what would need to be done to ensure that any changes made would not
have any impact on decisions regarding the routing choice between pr1 and
pr2?

Regards

 Peter




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Re: Cisco CWDM Experiences [7:62841]

2003-02-12 Thread Henry D.
Actually, this CWDM seems to be Cisco specific and is incompatible with
DWDM,
looks like mostly because of the wavelengths used in this solution. Cisco
has a 2-slot
chassis that pretty much you populate with OADM or MUX cards. These cards in
turn
are crossconnected to switches by SMF and you use special CWDM GBIC's
for that. The GBIC's are what provides different lambda. These GBIC's seem
to be supported
on multiple platforms with proper IOS/CatOS ranging from 2900 to 6500
series.

Here's the link:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/customer/netsol/ns110/ns112/ns113/ns197/networkin
g_solutions_package.html

Looks like mostly plug-n-play as long as proper attenuation is considered
and you get the correct modules/GBIC's mix in there.

Henry D.  wrote in message
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 Hi everyone,

 I'm looking at some of the CWDM docs and this solution seems
 to be a really good (read easy) way to increase the bandwidth between
 sites with existing SMF. I don't have any DWDM experience, but looking
 at this solution it would seem you don't need to do much in order
 to achieve pretty substantial bandwidth increase.

 Does anyone have any experience with this technology ?
 Pretty much just looking to see how well this stuff really works
 in the field. It doesn't seem like you can do much to monitor/manage
 this solution which kind of makes me skeptical.

 Any inputs welcomed !




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RE: \31 Mak could it be used on leased lines(serial) [7:62853]

2003-02-12 Thread Logan, Harold
It's a feature supported in 12.2.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/iosswrel/ps1839/products_feature_guide09186a0080087aeb.html

Hal

 -Original Message-
 From: Monu Sekhon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:30 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: \31 Mak could it be used on leased lines(serial) [7:62853]
 
 
 Hi Harold/all,
 
 In your description u mentioned that u can use /31 mask also,
 
 Your comments:
 Since the point-to-point link is likely to have a /30 (or 
 /31 if they're
 running 12.2) mask on it
 
 
 questions is
 -
 
 -will the connection work , till now i only know that 30 is 
 the max mask
 used on serial lines .how will we use this 31 mask
 - Does this applies only in ios version 12.2 or later as mentioned.
 - Do people use these 31 mask 
 - Can anybody provide me any inf  link
 
 Thanx in Advance
 (Please refer the description below in thread he mentioned that.)
 
 
 
 Over a leased line I can't see the harm in leaving it 
 running. If someone
 manages to get into your router, there's very little target 
 enumeration they
 can do with CDP that can't be done by other means. Since the 
 point-to-point
 link is likely to have a /30 (or /31 if they're running 12.2) 
 mask on it,
 it's not going to be a stretch to figure out the other router's IP.
 
 While disabling CDP is certainly a sound practice on LAN 
 interfaces, we also
 disable it on our switched WAN connections on general 
 principles. That isn't
 a magic bullet by any means though, disabling CDP is security through
 obscurity more than anything else. If you're concerned about 
 unauthorized
 access to your routers, then you should consider running 
 access classes on
 your vty lines and AAA so you can audit access to the 
 routers, if you aren't
 already.
 
 
 
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:12 PM 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Subject: Re: Why disable cdp for back-to-back serial connec 
 [7:62798] 
  
  
  Lawrence Law wrote: 
   
   Dear Priscilla, 
   
   Thank you for your clear explaination. 
   
   May be it is better to disable cdp for low speed link, and 
   security issue. 
  
  CDP uses very little bandwidth, so unless it's a really 
  low-speed link, I 
  wouldn't turn it off for that reason. Regarding security, if 
  it's a private 
  point-to-point HDLC link, then security probably isn't too 
  much of an issue. 
  It would be hard for a hacker to see the packets. 
  
  On the other hand, if the hacker somehow got into a router 
  that was running 
  CDP on any of its interfaces, then the hacker could learn 
  about one or more 
  additional routers, and that's not good. You want to limit 
  how much a hacker 
  can learn. 
  
  It's sort of a close call since CDP is so helpful for 
 troubleshooting, 
  though. How about the rest of you out there? Do you disable 
  CDP like some 
  security documents say to do? 
  
  If often occurs to me these days that we spent the '80s and 
  '90s developing 
  all sorts of cool protocols to share info of all sorts, and 
  were spending 
  the '00s disabling most of them for security reasons. It's a 
  crazy world we 
  live in. 
  
  Priscilla 
  
  
   
   Regards, 
   Lawrence 
   
   
   
   Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in 
   message 
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
Cisco Discovery Protocol (CDP) is a managment protocol that 
   allows routers 
and switches to tell each other about their IOS version, 
   hardware 
   platform, 
and basic config info. Some security experts say to disable 
   it because it 
tells too much. 

It has nothing to do with bringing the serial interface 
   up/up. You could 
   use 
it or you could not. The two routers on the HDLC link don't 
   have to agree. 
One could send CDP while the other doesn't and the link 
   should still come 
up/up, assuming everything is OK at the physical and 
   data-link layers. 

It's too bad they used no cdp enable in that simple example 
   with no 
explanation. I don't think it's the default? So someone had 
   to type it in, 
so they should have explained it. 

Priscilla 


Lawrence Law wrote: 
 
 Dear all, 
 
 
 From cisco configuration example 
 
 

   
  http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk713/tk317/technologies_confi 
 guration_examp 
le09186a00800944ff.shtml 

I'm wondering that the line no cdp enable is required 
  for 
both router 
in order to make a serial connection up for back-to-back 
connection. 

Regards, 
Lawrence




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long ack times [7:62867]

2003-02-12 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
I have several users who are trying to run an application and often have
problems.  In using a sniffer on the packets I have found that some of the
packets are experiencing long ack times.  How does one troubleshoot this
sort of problem?




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Re: bsci passed [7:62805]

2003-02-12 Thread John Faulk
Hey guys, what were your study materials?

John


On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:47:01PM +, Mark Smith wrote:
 Congratulations, Alejandro. 
 
 That was a tough test for me too. I passed mine yesterday morning. I'm not
 exactly bragging about the score but I passed. Got a lot more on IS-IS than
 I expected - about 20% or more of my test. Had only read about it. My home
 lab routers aren't beefy enough to set it up and play with it and I've
never
 used it in the real world. Guess I read enough about it though.
 
 On to switching.
 
  
 Mark
 
 
 
 Quoting Alejandro Quemada :
 
  Hi
  it4s mi first post
  I have just passes bsci test this morning. it was a
  bit hard but passing
  score 700
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RE: Aironet 350 SSID Broadcast [7:60472]

2003-02-12 Thread Kelly Cobean
Additionally, if security is a real concern for you, check out
www.cranite.com.  They offer some additional wireless security products that
may help.

Kelly Cobean

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Disable broadcast SSID under radio hardware setup.


  Unix tools like kismet can see that cell even if you have broadcast SSID
disabled. If
you want real security, use IPsec between the buildings. If you want some
fake security
you can fool with WEP ... that'd likely be safe on a point to point link
since no one
is going to rat out your SSID and WEP settings, unlike the wireless ISP
market ...




Firesox wrote:

 Folks
 I have two 350s and one is configured as Root Bridge and the other is
 configured as non-root bridge without client.
 They connect two buildings together.  No wireless client should be
connected
 to these bridges.
 I forgot how to turn off the SSID broadcast.  I am getting SSID on my
 802.11b NIC when I am in the range.
 Could someone tell me how to avoid this?  I don't want any wireless nic to
 get any packets whatsoever.

 Also any comment to make these two bridges as sucure as possible would be
 appreicated.

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Re: \31 Mak could it be used on leased lines(serial) [7:62853]

2003-02-12 Thread Kaj J. Niemi
In mail.net.groupstudy.pro, you wrote:

  -will the connection work , till now i only know that 30 is the max mask
  used on serial lines .how will we use this 31 mask

It will. Here's an example:

RtrA

int se0/0
  ip add 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.254

RtrB

int se0/1
  ip add 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.254

  - Does this applies only in ios version 12.2 or later as mentioned.

Or a late-stage 12.0S.

  - Do people use these 31 mask

Yes, they work well.

  - Can anybody provide me any inf  link

Check out RFC 3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links.



// kaj




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RE: CCIE Study group in Chicago? [7:62777]

2003-02-12 Thread David Nguyen
Well here is a question for the group in general:

Would you think that a combination of a CCNP study group and a CCIE
Written group (mainly people that have just started studying for the
CCIE) be beneficial to everyone involved?  Or would the focus be
completely different?

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I hear ya on that one...  I'm just trying to find the time to hook up my
lab; so I can study for the CCNP.

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Hey, what about a CCNP Study Group in Chicago?

Timothy B. Fernandez
Network Technician
Technical Operations New York 2
Thomson Financial




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I'd be interested in joining one, or forming a new one.

Nguyen, David wrote:
 Any CCIE study groups here in the Chicago area?
 
 Regards,
 
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RE: long ack times [7:62867]

2003-02-12 Thread Symon Thurlow
I had that problem last weekend too (observed using Windows XP against
Windows 2000 servrs), it was caused by WIN2K DFS not working properly,
and telling local clients to go across the WAN to retrieve data from DFS
(instead of from a local server). The long ack was due to 10 clients
trying to install apps across a 512Kb frame link, and the RTT had gone
up to quite a long time (can't remember excactly).

So in my limited experience, I would say you have congestion somewhere.
Maybe time to do some traceroutes, and see where the problem lies.

Hmm, also found this:

Ack Too Long

The time that it has taken to acknowledge data exceeds the Long Ack Time
threshold plus three times the average acknowledgement time for this
connection. Refer to the detail statistics screen for the value of this
average acknowledgement time. 
Possible causes: 

1 The recipient of the original data frame was temporarily busy, and
could not process the frame as quickly as usual. 

2 The ACK arrived late because a server had to look up and/or
process data before responding with an ACK. 

3 The path changed in a way that increased the time between the
request and its acknowledgement. 

4 There were multiple paths between the two stations, and the time
to acknowledgement was longer for some paths than for others. 

Symon

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Subject: long ack times [7:62867]


I have several users who are trying to run an application and often have
problems.  In using a sniffer on the packets I have found that some of
the packets are experiencing long ack times.  How does one troubleshoot
this sort of problem?
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RE: Internet Connections [7:62863]

2003-02-12 Thread Symon Thurlow
Hi Charles,

I have had this problem too. Infact, I think it has been the topic of
discussion here many times.

My problem is I have a customer (online trading presence) with two ISP
connections (both E1's) however they only have a /26 on each connection.
Because this is such a small network, no one is going to add them to
their BGP tables (apart from the ISP that owns them).

I looked at getting a provider independent address range, but again,
because it is so small, it may not get added to some ISP's routing
tables (people, please feel free to clarify this better) which means
that not everyone in the world will be able to connect.

The solution (at the moment) is to just have two separate networks
(pretty much), and have two NIC's in the trading servers, with custom
application layer proxies in front of them, so that requests hitting
each card go out the same way they came in.

Symon



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Subject: Internet Connections [7:62863]


I have a class B network subnetted using a 21 bit mask.  This network
has 2 connections to the internet, 1 is by a T3 the other is a 512K T1.
Each connection to the internet comes out of a subnet, goes through a
firewall, and then through a Cisco 7200 router.  We have static routes
in place to assure that the returning packets go to the proper firewall.
I don't know for sure if the routers connecting to the internet are
running BGP or some thing else.  We have seen packets go out one
interface and return on the other.  I suspect that something is not
right with the border routers.  Any thoughts or suggestions?
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Re: BGP config question. [7:62860]

2003-02-12 Thread Peter Walker
Yep you are right.

Lets try that again ...

a) connect up1 to the same ethernet segment
b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer
 up2
d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over
 up1 to pr2

In terms of what I am asking is, are there any issues with having two 
'redundant' bgp links from two different routers in one AS over a single 
multi-access link to a single router in another AS.

It seems to me that this would be a simple no-brainer type of change to 
make, but I just have a nagging suspicion that there is some gotcha waiting 
to jump out when you least expect it. None of the sample configurations I 
have seen seem to mention this sort of config and I was wondering if there 
was some reason why it shouldnt be done, or if it was just one of those 
obscure variations of common configurations that did not warrant it's own 
explicit mention.

Peter

--On 12 February 2003 14:27 + Peter van Oene  wrote:

 At 01:36 PM 2/12/2003 +, Peter Walker wrote:
 Folks

 A quick question on external BGP connection configuration.

 Given an organisation (ORG) with 2 EBGP routers (up1, up2) and two
 upstream providers (pr1, and pr2) where provider pr1 is currently linked
 to the router up1 via a serial link and provider pr2 is currently linked
 to router up2 via a traffic shaped and limited ethernet link. ORG is
 does not allow transit between the providers.

 Is there any reason why ORG should not

 a) connect pr1 to the same ethernet segment
 b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
 c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer
 up2 d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over
 up1 to
 pr2


 I'm not sure if you are messing up your prs and ups here, but I'm not
 following you entirely. Why would you not just peer both routers and use
 prepend/med and pref to control load like most folks do? Maybe explaining
 what is better or different about this approach would help explain what
 the  approach is :)

 Pete





 What I am looking for is technical (or business/political) reasons why
 this is a good or bad idea.

 I understand that all this would give is redundancy at the router level
 (up1, up2), the ethernet link and pr2's router are all still potential
 single points of failure. I also understand that pr2 may not wish to
 allow such a configuration.

 Also, what would need to be done to ensure that any changes made would
 not have any impact on decisions regarding the routing choice between
 pr1 and pr2?

 Regards

 Peter
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RE: AUX port and modems [7:62877]

2003-02-12 Thread s vermill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 J,
 
 Thanks for responding. What I am trying to do is simulate a
 dial-up
 connection to a router without an external telephone line.
 
 The first option looks to me good but I will not be able to
 program the AUX
 port. Or am I wrong?

The AUX port can be set to act as a CONS port.  You would be able to modify
any aspect of the router config from the AUX, including the AUX itself.  But
it won't really *simulate* a dialup.

 
 About the second option, can I connect the 2 modems back to
 back and still
 be able to program the router to accept dial-up?
 
 host---modem---modem--AUX (router)

Two standard analog modems won't talk back to back.  You need a telephone
line simulator to do that (or a telephone line!).  I bought one about a year
ago for around $500.  Got it from Black Box.

 
 
 Regards,
 MO
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 [7:62755]  |
  

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 Well, I can think of a couple of ways.
 
 The first and most obvious to me is to not use the modem at
 all, and just
 connect the Host to the AUX port.
 
 The second method involves using a Phone system (Key System,
 PBX, FXS
 ports)  to connect the 2 modems (You'll need 2 modems.
 Host-Modem---Modem-AUX Port).  If  I understood wha you were
 trying to
 accomplish I could assist you better.
 
 
 J
 
  wrote in message
 news:...
  I need to connect to the AUX port using a modem. The only
 problem is that
 I
  do not want to use an external telephone line. Is there a way
 to simulate
 :
 
host--modemAUX (router)
 
  Where can I find the information?
 
  Thanks in advance.
  MO
 



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New CCDA exam reviewed [7:62876]

2003-02-12 Thread Andy Barkl
Here is my review of the new CCDA exam for your reading enjoyment!
http://www.tcpmag.com/Exams/article.asp?EditorialsID=71




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Re: BGP config question. [7:62860]

2003-02-12 Thread Peter van Oene
At 03:59 PM 2/12/2003 +, Peter Walker wrote:
Yep you are right.

Lets try that again ...

a) connect up1 to the same ethernet segment
b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer
 up2
 d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over
 up1 to pr2

In terms of what I am asking is, are there any issues with having two 
'redundant' bgp links from two different routers in one AS over a single 
multi-access link to a single router in another AS.

So basically you have two routers and both r1 and r2 connect to the same 
router on the provider side while r1 also maintains a connection to another 
router on the provider side.   In this case, you don't really buy yourself 
much other than router redundancy on your side.  The cost is purely in 
control traffic that will transit the ethernet link.  BGP isn't that chatty 
unless peering sessions are flapping (which would be abnormal) so this 
shouldn't be a big problem.  Only other cost would be additional config 
complexity which might impede troubleshooting.  Beyond that, things should 
work fine as long as the provider agrees to set it up.

Pete




It seems to me that this would be a simple no-brainer type of change to 
make, but I just have a nagging suspicion that there is some gotcha 
waiting to jump out when you least expect it. None of the sample 
configurations I have seen seem to mention this sort of config and I was 
wondering if there was some reason why it shouldnt be done, or if it was 
just one of those obscure variations of common configurations that did not 
warrant it's own explicit mention.

Peter

--On 12 February 2003 14:27 + Peter van Oene  wrote:

At 01:36 PM 2/12/2003 +, Peter Walker wrote:
Folks

A quick question on external BGP connection configuration.

Given an organisation (ORG) with 2 EBGP routers (up1, up2) and two
upstream providers (pr1, and pr2) where provider pr1 is currently linked
to the router up1 via a serial link and provider pr2 is currently linked
to router up2 via a traffic shaped and limited ethernet link. ORG is
does not allow transit between the providers.

Is there any reason why ORG should not

 a) connect pr1 to the same ethernet segment
 b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
 c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer
 up2 d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over
 up1 to
pr2


I'm not sure if you are messing up your prs and ups here, but I'm not
following you entirely. Why would you not just peer both routers and use
prepend/med and pref to control load like most folks do? Maybe explaining
what is better or different about this approach would help explain what
the  approach is :)

Pete





What I am looking for is technical (or business/political) reasons why
this is a good or bad idea.

I understand that all this would give is redundancy at the router level
(up1, up2), the ethernet link and pr2's router are all still potential
single points of failure. I also understand that pr2 may not wish to
allow such a configuration.

Also, what would need to be done to ensure that any changes made would
not have any impact on decisions regarding the routing choice between
pr1 and pr2?

Regards

 Peter
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RE: CCIE Study group in Chicago? [7:62777]

2003-02-12 Thread Fernandez, Tim
That sounds like an excellent idea.

Timothy B. Fernandez
Network Technician
Technical Operations New York 2
Thomson Financial






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Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:37 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE Study group in Chicago? [7:62777]


Well here is a question for the group in general:

Would you think that a combination of a CCNP study group and a CCIE Written
group (mainly people that have just started studying for the
CCIE) be beneficial to everyone involved?  Or would the focus be completely
different?

-Original Message-
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 6:12 PM
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Subject: RE: CCIE Study group in Chicago? [7:62777]

I hear ya on that one...  I'm just trying to find the time to hook up my
lab; so I can study for the CCNP.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 5:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE Study group in Chicago? [7:62777]


Hey, what about a CCNP Study Group in Chicago?

Timothy B. Fernandez
Network Technician
Technical Operations New York 2
Thomson Financial




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Subject: Re: CCIE Study group in Chicago? [7:62777]


I'd be interested in joining one, or forming a new one.

Nguyen, David wrote:
 Any CCIE study groups here in the Chicago area?
 
 Regards,
 
 David
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Trunking on C2924-XL [7:62880]

2003-02-12 Thread Richard Burdette
Hello All,

I'm attempting to configure trunking on a C2924-XL switch runiing IOS
version Version 11.2(8.10)SA6 from file c2900XL-hs-mz-112.8.10 SA6.bin. I've
read CCO enough to realize that the command under interface configuration
mode would be switchport mode trunk.  However, the switch does not accept
that command and executing switchport mode ? only show two options, access
and multi, not trunk.  I'd appreciate anyone letting me in on why I cannot
select trunk when it ought to be there.  Thank you very much.

Richard



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Trunking on C2924-XL [7:62881]

2003-02-12 Thread Richard Burdette
Hello All,

I'm attempting to configure trunking on a C2924-XL switch runiing IOS
version Version 11.2(8.10)SA6 from file c2900XL-hs-mz-112.8.10-SA6.bin.
I've read CCO enough to realize that the command under interface
configuration mode would be switchport mode trunk.  However, the switch
does not accept that command and executing switchport mode ? only show two
options, access and multi, not trunk.  I'd appreciate anyone letting me in
on why I cannot select trunk when it ought to be there.  Thank you very
much.

Richard




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Re: \31 Mak could it be used on leased lines(seria [7:62853]

2003-02-12 Thread Monu Sekhon
Thanx Kaj  Logan
I have gne through document .
thanx for the information.
My doubts are cleared:-)
Kaj J. Niemi wrote:
 
 In mail.net.groupstudy.pro, you wrote:
 
   -will the connection work , till now i only know that 30 is
 the max mask
   used on serial lines .how will we use this 31 mask
 
 It will. Here's an example:
 
 RtrA
 
 int se0/0
   ip add 192.168.0.0 255.255.255.254
 
 RtrB
 
 int se0/1
   ip add 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.254
 
   - Does this applies only in ios version 12.2 or later as
 mentioned.
 
 Or a late-stage 12.0S.
 
   - Do people use these 31 mask
 
 Yes, they work well.
 
   - Can anybody provide me any inf  link
 
 Check out RFC 3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4
 Point-to-Point Links.
 
 
 
 // kaj
 
 




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Re: Trunking on C2924-XL [7:62881]

2003-02-12 Thread Daniel Beynon
Richard,

Trunking is only supported in the enterprise image release. You do not
have that image

 

 

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Trunking on C2924-XL [7:62881] Date: Wed,
12 Feb 2003 16:41:19 GMT  Hello All,  I'm attempting to configure
trunking on a C2924-XL switch runiing IOS version Version 11.2(8.10)SA6
from file c2900XL-hs-mz-112.8.10-SA6.bin. I've read CCO enough to
realize that the command under interface configuration mode would be
switchport mode trunk. However, the switch does not accept that
command and executing switchport mode ? only show two options, access
and multi, not trunk. I'd appreciate anyone letting me in on why I
cannot select trunk when it ought to be there. Thank you very much. 
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Re: BGP config question. [7:62860]

2003-02-12 Thread Peter Walker
Pete

Thanks for your help. I know it doesnt buy much redundancy, however it is 
something that could be done to an existing system without much capital 
outlay, and the organisation that I was thinking of has seemed to have had 
a run of bad luck with single routers falling over during the last few 
months. I know the org would prefer to rely on the dual providers for 
uplink redundancy rather than adding additional redundant links to any 
single provider.

I dont even know if the upstream provider would allow it, but it was just 
something that occured to me while reading up for the BGP exam I am taking 
this week and I couldnt really find any answers in my study materials.

Yet again, thanks

Peter


--On 12 February 2003 16:28 + Peter van Oene  wrote:

 At 03:59 PM 2/12/2003 +, Peter Walker wrote:
 Yep you are right.

 Lets try that again ...

a) connect up1 to the same ethernet segment
b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer
 up2
 d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over
 up1 to pr2

 In terms of what I am asking is, are there any issues with having two
 'redundant' bgp links from two different routers in one AS over a single
 multi-access link to a single router in another AS.

 So basically you have two routers and both r1 and r2 connect to the same
 router on the provider side while r1 also maintains a connection to
 another  router on the provider side.   In this case, you don't really
 buy yourself  much other than router redundancy on your side.  The cost
 is purely in  control traffic that will transit the ethernet link.  BGP
 isn't that chatty  unless peering sessions are flapping (which would be
 abnormal) so this  shouldn't be a big problem.  Only other cost would be
 additional config  complexity which might impede troubleshooting.  Beyond
 that, things should  work fine as long as the provider agrees to set it
 up.

 Pete




 It seems to me that this would be a simple no-brainer type of change to
 make, but I just have a nagging suspicion that there is some gotcha
 waiting to jump out when you least expect it. None of the sample
 configurations I have seen seem to mention this sort of config and I was
 wondering if there was some reason why it shouldnt be done, or if it was
 just one of those obscure variations of common configurations that did
 not  warrant it's own explicit mention.

 Peter

 --On 12 February 2003 14:27 + Peter van Oene  wrote:

 At 01:36 PM 2/12/2003 +, Peter Walker wrote:
 Folks

 A quick question on external BGP connection configuration.

 Given an organisation (ORG) with 2 EBGP routers (up1, up2) and two
 upstream providers (pr1, and pr2) where provider pr1 is currently
 linked to the router up1 via a serial link and provider pr2 is
 currently linked to router up2 via a traffic shaped and limited
 ethernet link. ORG is does not allow transit between the providers.

 Is there any reason why ORG should not

 a) connect pr1 to the same ethernet segment
 b) form bgp neighbor relationship with BGP peer at provider pr2
 c) advertise appropriate MED values requesting that pr2 prefer
 up2 d) set local preference to prefer link via up2 to pr2 over
 up1 to
 pr2


 I'm not sure if you are messing up your prs and ups here, but I'm not
 following you entirely. Why would you not just peer both routers and use
 prepend/med and pref to control load like most folks do? Maybe
 explaining what is better or different about this approach would help
 explain what the  approach is :)

 Pete





 What I am looking for is technical (or business/political) reasons why
 this is a good or bad idea.

 I understand that all this would give is redundancy at the router level
 (up1, up2), the ethernet link and pr2's router are all still potential
 single points of failure. I also understand that pr2 may not wish to
 allow such a configuration.

 Also, what would need to be done to ensure that any changes made would
 not have any impact on decisions regarding the routing choice between
 pr1 and pr2?

 Regards

 Peter
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vlan help [7:62888]

2003-02-12 Thread CiscoNewbie
hi.  on a cisco2950, how can I configure a port to be tagged for one vlan
and untagged for another?  Please give me sample.  thanks.


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Policing and Shaping [7:62889]

2003-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Based on the following text, from
http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/105/policevsshape.html; Class Based
Policing could not guarantee the bandwith specified in the `priority
command.  Any thoughts?


In this configuration, the police command sends packets from the child
classes based on the size of the
packet and the number of bytes remaining in the conform and exceed token
buckets. (See Traffic Policing.)
 The result is that rates given to the Voice over IP (VoIP) and Internet
Protocol (IP) classes may not be guaranteed
since the police feature is overriding the guarantees made by the priority
feature.

However, if the shape command is used, the result is a hierarchical queuing
system, and all guarantees are made




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Re: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]

2003-02-12 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 10:48 AM + 2/12/03, Cisco Nuts wrote:
John,

First...CONGRATS
You can do it!!
Yes, there area moments when you feel that way...especially the first couple
of timesbut in the end you will come out a champ!!

When I started teaching the CCNA/NP a couple of years back, I too felt the
same initially, but personally, teaching has been the best thing for me in
my life!! I love teaching and am passionate about it. I am just dying to
pass the CCIE Lab so I can begin my own tutoring in my basement for the
CCNA/NP/IP courses.
The trick is to really prepare for it the night before and then dive
straight to the hands-on section in the class.

Agreed, and I'd like to home in on this a little, at least from 
personal experience. Even when you are having fun, teaching all or 
most of the day is stressful.  When you're writing programs or books, 
you control the pace and can let your mind float a little, but not so 
in a live situation.  Don't count on your breaks, because you often 
either have to fix something or respond to student questions--unless 
there's an escape door at the instructor end of the classroom!  I 
suppose my telecommuting equivalent is to have a cat crash into/with 
something in my office. They are pretty good about that, other than 
Rhonda keeps trying to fax herself. I really have to figure out a 
copy/fax cover that can stay on the machine without it overheating. 
Looking behind me, she's at least not on the control panel but in the 
feeder tray.

There's also a difference between courses of up to about 2-3 days 
versus 3-5 days. I remember that when I taught RSC, ICRC, and ACRC, 
all 5 day courses, I hit a wall sometime on Wednesday, and it took 
me many months, if not a year, to learn to get through Wednesday 
(usually) afternoon. I was fine on Thursday and Friday.

Incidentally, I found CID much easier to teach _for me_, as it NEVER 
was the same twice given students are bringing in new problems and a 
good CID instructor is constantly updating the lecture.  There are 
just so many times you can point out the missing permit all in an 
access list, or an order dependency in OSPF network statements, etc., 
before you need to start suppressing the screams.

If you're teaching on the road, it's even more exciting.  Even the 
beancounters at a number of training partners finally recognized that 
getting dinner from room service was not really a luxury, but 
something that prevented embarrassment from falling asleep in the 
soup at a restaurant. It's usually too late for traditional 
sightseeing. I did find that workouts helped, which generally needed 
to be in the morning if I could get up that early, as well as social 
dinners--preferably with local friends, but sometimes with students. 
It's especially nice when you can meet up with instructor colleagues 
that know what it's like! I usually see Paul and Neill when they are 
teaching in DC, as well as others.



Then start explaining the
concepts about the material as you do the hands-on. Students love the
hands-on!! Preparing your own notes help as students respect you more than
just saying Ok guys, let's turn to page 31 and talk about Ospf. Ospf
is.

Good Luck.









From: John Neiberger
Reply-To: John Neiberger
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:12:07 GMT

I just feel the need to rant/vent for a bit and I knew there were a
bunch of you who might be able to relate to this.  I've started teaching
a short, one-session general networking class for some of the people
here at the bank.  The first session, which was really just a runthrough
with a handful of students, went fairly well.  In fact, it went so well
that they increased the number of overall attendees to about 60 or so.

Last week I had another session that went exceptionally well, except
for a couple of students who really didn't want to be there.  I couldn't
have asked for it to go better, and my boss heard lots of good things
  about it.  One person even said I should be a professor!  :-)  Now, that
brings us to today

Today I had an afternoon class, and in my opinion it sucked rotten
eggs.  I feel embarrassed to have been involved with it.I can't
think of too many ways in which it could have gone worse.  I rambled, I
flew through 2.5 hours of material in about an hour, I lost my place a
lot.  I'm not certain that I ever formed a train of thought longer than
a couple of cars, and I think even those trains were without engine and
caboose.

Have any of you other instructors had days like that?  As I even
mentioned in class, I felt like my 'explainer' was broken today, and it
certainly was.  I'm hoping that I could get some sympathy from other
instructors with similar experiences.

Okay, I'm going to go drown my disappointment in some coffee!

John
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Catalyst 6500 vs 7200 VXR [7:62892]

2003-02-12 Thread Brett Johnson
What benefits can a Catalyst 6500 switch provide that a 7200 router cannot?
Are the FLEXWAN modules a reliable product or is it better to separate your
WAN traffic devices from you LAN devices?  What about the performance of the
FLEXWAN modules?  I am just trying to understand if money is no object why
would someone buy a 7200 router over a Catalyst 6500 with FLEXWAN modules.
Thank you, sorry if this is too vague.

Brett




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RE: Passed CCIE written exam [7:62854]

2003-02-12 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G
I feel that I need to say something. You just sent this exact same message a
week ago.

Shawn K.

-Original Message-
From: Paul Dong So [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 9:27 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Passed CCIE written exam [7:62854]

Hi all,

Just passed the written and feel like i need to say something. Really want
to say thanks for all the helps I gained from this study
group.

Test is 3 hours, 150 questions, single or multiple choices. If mulitple,
will give indication how many answers. Can go backward
and forward to check the questions. Passing score 58.

Highly recommend
1. Boson #1 and #3. You should make sure you either remember or understand
every answer. Don't even give up hard ones.
Only give up something you really think it is going to be nonesense if you
have to waste your brain resource  memorizing the
answers.
2. Need to understand these topics in depth: VoIP, MPLS(mpls-vpn, mpls-te),
QoS. Those are my failing points where i only
read superficially, but not in depth.
3. Try to read the online CCO website as much as you can, here is my another
failing point.
4. The rest are the usual stuffs that every one talks a lot: books to read:
Doyle's routing, lan switching, cisco press QoS, cisco
press mpls, Caslow.

Now it is time to crack the most difficult part: Lab.

Cheers,

Paul




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RE: Monitoring Memory Utilization(%) on a router. [7:62800]

2003-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You can try this one 1.3.6.1.4.1.9.2.1.8.0 and compare with your values.  I
used a time ago so I am not sure, but I think it is the free memory.

Hope helps






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Assunto:RE: Monitoring Memory Utilization(%) on a router. [7:62800]


This reply from my colleague makes it very clear.

 1) i do a show memory on a cisco 26xx router. It shows me the Total
 Processor Memory and Total IO memory.
 When i add up these 2 values, why is it not equal to total amount of DRAM
in
 your router (as shown by sh ver)???

Simply because Processor + I/O mem is not equal total DRAM.

The IOS loaded in RAM and additional datas need also some space:

muuma#sh ver | i with
cisco 2611 (MPC860) processor (revision 0x202) with 28672K/4096K bytes of
memory.

muuma#sh mem
Head   Total(b)Used(b)Free(b)  Lowest(b) Largest(b)
Processor  80B7D5D0   173123042375180   14937124   14745720   14822080
   I/O   1C041943041709592248471224847122484668

Below you can see that the total main memory + I/O fits the physical 32
megs:

muuma#sh region
Region Manager:

   Start End Size(b)  Class  Media  Name
  0x01C0  0x01FF 4194304  Iomem  R/Wiomem
  0x6000  0x60FF16777216  Flash  R/Oflash
  0x8000  0x81BF29360128  Local  R/Wmain
  0x80008088  0x807C18AB 8099876  IText  R/Omain:text
  0x807C18AC  0x80A78F27 2848380  IData  R/Wmain:data
  0x80A78F28  0x80B7D5CF 104  IBss   R/Wmain:bss
  0x80B7D5D0  0x81BF17312304  Local  R/Wmain:heap

That brings me to my second question::-))
Q:How do i get the total amount of DRAM installed in the router via SNMP??
Which MIB and OID?


Thanks
Simon



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Could you send us the result of the `show memory` and `show version`.
Maybe it helps the discussion.





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Hi,

1) i do a show memory on a cisco 26xx router. It shows me the Total
Processor Memory and Total IO memory.
When i add up these 2 values, why is it not equal to total amount of DRAM
in
your router (as shown by sh ver)???

2)Assuming the sh memory output does not give us the correct picture
about
memory utilization, which MIBs and objects should we monitor to get the
memory utilization( as a %)of the router?
Or can we atleast get the free memory , used memory or total memory
via SNMP and using MIB expressions, we can compute the Memory utilization
as
a %??What are the MIBs and objects to get this info?

Cheers
Simon




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RE: bsci passed [7:62805]

2003-02-12 Thread Mark Smith
I took a class recently at a local juco that was very good. They used labs
from the Academy material aimed towards advanced router config. I have a lab
at home with a couple of 2600's and a couple of 2500's that I've picked up
off of eBay over the last couple of years and was able to do the labs over
again at home. What I blew thru in the class due to time constraints I was
able to dissect a little more completely and try different commands and such
with at home. As far as reading material I used the BSCN text book and
printed out the Cisco link on IS-IS that is available here (watch for text
wrap)
http://www.ciscopress.com/content/images/1578702283/downloads/2283newchap2.p
df?session_id={191E20FE-35FE-420B-94D2-D7BAA31347FC}
but I understand the actual BSCI text book is available now
http://www.ciscopress.com/catalog/product.asp?product_id={E9CBCDAF-77DF-468E
-B2F6-C902C0B78D6F}
I used a couple of practice tests that were very good but very similar to
each other in content. Either would have probably been enough.
http://www.fravo.com/cisco/index.htm and
http://216.197.111.79/testking/index.cfm?pageid=714productid=102
Both were outstanding (IMHO) conceptually. If you're looking for braindump,
these-are-exactly-the-questions-you'll-see-on-the-real-test-type study
guides then these aren't what you're looking for. I didn't see any *exact*
questions from either of these on my test but all of the concepts I found on
the test were covered in both of these. TestKing is a PDF and Fravo is a
little app that you run. Fravo probably has more questions but not any more
material is covered. They just ask the same type question 3 different ways.
From my experience with the test know IS-IS. I was told to expect maybe 3 or
4 questions on IS-IS. I got more like a dozen or maybe even more. The rest
was pretty evenly scattered thru all of the topics that the BSCI topics list
at Cisco has in it. No one area was hit any harder than any other in mine. I
did have fewer actual config the scenario questions than I expected.
Know how OSPF, BGP work and how to set them up. Understand route
sumarization and VLSM. Understand EIGRP and how it interacts with IGRP. Know
IS-IS and CLNS. Know route redistribution. Be familiar with RIP v2.
Basically, know everything in the BCSN book and IS-IS.
I know I'm Forrest Gump-like compared to most I see post here regularly so I
may not be the most accurate indicator of it's difficulty but that was my
toughest cert test of the eight that I've taken to date.





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John Faulk
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:53 AM
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Hey guys, what were your study materials?

John


On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:47:01PM +, Mark Smith wrote:
 Congratulations, Alejandro.

 That was a tough test for me too. I passed mine yesterday morning. I'm not
 exactly bragging about the score but I passed. Got a lot more on IS-IS
than
 I expected - about 20% or more of my test. Had only read about it. My home
 lab routers aren't beefy enough to set it up and play with it and I've
never
 used it in the real world. Guess I read enough about it though.

 On to switching.


 Mark



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  it4s mi first post
  I have just passes bsci test this morning. it was a
  bit hard but passing
  score 700
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ccie per hour rate [7:62894]

2003-02-12 Thread Paul Beckman
I want just general networking.  Not really designing any really big
projects or anything.
How much per hour would be reasonable?



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Re: CS11152 port channel? [7:62831]

2003-02-12 Thread Sam Sneed
just heard from Cisco and this is not possible. They're looking to implement
it in future releases.


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 I want to connect a cs11152 to a cisco switch. I want to have over 100MB
 over the link. Is there anyway to do the equivalent of prot channeling on
2
 links?




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Re: Catalyst 6500 vs 7200 VXR [7:62892]

2003-02-12 Thread MADMAN
Brett Johnson wrote:
 What benefits can a Catalyst 6500 switch provide that a 7200 router cannot?

   The 6500 is also a switch.

 Are the FLEXWAN modules a reliable product or is it better to separate your
 WAN traffic devices from you LAN devices? 

   They work well though some would rather keep the WAN out of their 
core.  Some cusomters keep the core layer 2 etc...

  What about the performance of the
 FLEXWAN modules?

   I have a local customer that have two 6509's at each of 4 hospitals 
with flexwans in each.  One switches flexwan has an ATM PA the other a 
PA-4T.  ATM is the primary link and frame for the backup.  The core site 
has 7200's simply because of the number of WANs to be terminated.  Works 
very well.

   I am just trying to understand if money is no object why
 would someone buy a 7200 router over a Catalyst 6500 with FLEXWAN modules.
 Thank you, sorry if this is too vague.

   If the 6500 was the core of my net I would not want to terminate 
vendor WANs or an Internet connection on a flexwan for example so the 
decision depends on your network design, security issues, number of WAN 
ports etc...

   I'm sure if you look hard you can find the various packet forwarding 
rates for each on CCO.

 
 Brett
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Re: ccie per hour rate [7:62894]

2003-02-12 Thread MADMAN
Jeez people get that on this list for free but if you want to send a 
check... :)

   Dave

Paul Beckman wrote:
 I want just general networking.  Not really designing any really big
 projects or anything.
 How much per hour would be reasonable?
 
 
 
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Re: Trunking on C2924-XL [7:62880]

2003-02-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaj J. Niemi)
In mail.net.groupstudy.pro, you wrote:

  I'm attempting to configure trunking on a C2924-XL switch runiing IOS
  version Version 11.2(8.10)SA6 from file c2900XL-hs-mz-112.8.10 SA6.bin.
I've
  read CCO enough to realize that the command under interface configuration
  mode would be switchport mode trunk.  However, the switch does not
accept
  that command and executing switchport mode ? only show two options,
access

If the switch really is a WS-C2924-XL, ie. an original 2900XL switch, 
trunking isn't supported at all. You need a WS-C2924-XL-EN.



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Re: Internet Connections [7:62863]

2003-02-12 Thread John Neiberger
I have a class B network subnetted using a 21 bit mask.  This network
has 2
connections to the internet, 1 is by a T3 the other is a 512K T1. 
Each
connection to the internet comes out of a subnet, goes through a
firewall,
and then through a Cisco 7200 router.  We have static routes in place
to
assure that the returning packets go to the proper firewall.  I don't
know
for sure if the routers connecting to the internet are running BGP or
some
thing else.  We have seen packets go out one interface and return on
the
other.  I suspect that something is not right with the border routers.
 Any
thoughts or suggestions?

They're probably using BGP and they're both advertising the same
prefixes.  This is actually pretty normal behavior.  You don't have a
large degree of control of return traffic back to your network.  There
are  a number of things that you can try to influence the path other
providers use but they key word there is influence.   It's very
difficult--if not impossible--to enforce your routing policies on other
providers.  If one of them chooses one path over another to get back to
your network, the best you can do is attempt to determine why that
traffic is behaving that way and try to come up with a way to alleviate
the problem.  That's assuming it's really a problem.

In your case, it could be a problem because your links are so
imbalanced.  I'd be tempted to leave the 512K T1 shutdown until it was
needed.  If you get too much traffic coming back down that link you'll
create pinhole congestion.  The rest of the world doesn't know that you
have a T3 and a 512K fractional T1.  They just see two paths back to
your network.

If your links were on the same router I think you could configure a
conditional advertisement with BGP.  This allow you not to advertise
your network from the 512K T1 unless you stopped seeing BGP routes from
the provider on the T3.

There are other things that can be tried, such as AS path prepends,
tweaking the MED, etc., but there is no rule that any other provider has
to pay any attention to that information whatsoever so your results may
vary.

HTH,
John




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Re: vlan help [7:62888]

2003-02-12 Thread M.C. van den Bovenkamp
CiscoNewbie wrote:

 hi.  on a cisco2950, how can I configure a port to be tagged for one vlan
 and untagged for another?  Please give me sample.  thanks.

switchport mode trunk
switchport trunk native vlan 

That will 802.1Q tag all frames except those in vlan .

You can't have more than one untagged VLAN.

Regards,

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Re: Catalyst 6500 vs 7200 VXR [7:62892]

2003-02-12 Thread Larry Letterman
Or if you have plenty of money and nothing better to spend
it on,
you can remove the 7200's and purchase 6506's with
flex-wans. Provides the same
service and cost a bit more. Those of us here San Jose wont
mind a bit

Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


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From: MADMAN 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Catalyst 6500 vs 7200 VXR [7:62892]


 Brett Johnson wrote:
  What benefits can a Catalyst 6500 switch provide that a
7200 router cannot?

The 6500 is also a switch.

  Are the FLEXWAN modules a reliable product or is it
better to separate your
  WAN traffic devices from you LAN devices?

They work well though some would rather keep the WAN
out of their
 core.  Some cusomters keep the core layer 2 etc...

   What about the performance of the
  FLEXWAN modules?

I have a local customer that have two 6509's at each of
4 hospitals
 with flexwans in each.  One switches flexwan has an ATM PA
the other a
 PA-4T.  ATM is the primary link and frame for the backup.
The core site
 has 7200's simply because of the number of WANs to be
terminated.  Works
 very well.

I am just trying to understand if money is no object
why
  would someone buy a 7200 router over a Catalyst 6500
with FLEXWAN modules.
  Thank you, sorry if this is too vague.

If the 6500 was the core of my net I would not want to
terminate
 vendor WANs or an Internet connection on a flexwan for
example so the
 decision depends on your network design, security issues,
number of WAN
 ports etc...

I'm sure if you look hard you can find the various
packet forwarding
 rates for each on CCO.

 
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Re: vlan help [7:62888]

2003-02-12 Thread M.C. van den Bovenkamp
M.C. van den Bovenkamp wrote:

 switchport mode trunk
 switchport trunk native vlan 
 
 That will 802.1Q tag all frames except those in vlan .
 
 You can't have more than one untagged VLAN.

OK, groupstudy doesn't like angle brackets; forgot about that. That 
would be 'switchport trunk native vlan X' and '...in vlan X.'

Regards,

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Parascope 2000 WAN/LAN analyser for sale [7:62884]

2003-02-12 Thread Matthew F. Crane
Ok after winding up a small networking company I am left with a few bits of
kit for sale, the most interesting of which is:

Parascope 2000 T1/E1 analyser with 
- cables for testing the following: ISDN BRI, RS449, X21, V35, V24/RS232,
ISDN T1/E1
- connection cable  PCMCIA adapter for any laptop
- WIN XL software suitable for Win NT/98 Version 2.10 according to the CD.

List price for the product is #7,995 without cables, software or adapters
for ISDN or DDS. This one certainly has the ISDN S/T adapters. The adapters
are #1,335 so you get some idea of the total package.

The url takes you to the UK distributor website for full spec
http://www.sygnusdata.co.uk/products/fe/feline.htm#para2000

Anyone interested email me direct [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Oh yes how much? Well sensible offers please in UK #'s and remember if you
want it shipped abroad the buyer can arrange shipping and pay the costs once
your money transfer has cleared.

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RE: AES license [7:62905]

2003-02-12 Thread Brian Zeitz
Yea, and in the pix guide it also list proposed part numbers for the
AES. It is about as free as 3DES is (which is not free). I wonder if AES
is enabled in my 6.3beta version? Hmmm? Probably not...

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Hi all,

With PIXS OS 6.3 coming out with AES does anyone know what the license
requirements for it will be?  Free for AES or $$ like for 3DES?

Any word on this for IOS w/o the need for the AIM?

thanks,

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Re: Catalyst 6500 vs 7200 VXR [7:62892]

2003-02-12 Thread Peter van Oene
At 06:37 PM 2/12/2003 +, Brett Johnson wrote:
What benefits can a Catalyst 6500 switch provide that a 7200 router cannot?
Are the FLEXWAN modules a reliable product or is it better to separate your
WAN traffic devices from you LAN devices?  What about the performance of the
FLEXWAN modules?  I am just trying to understand if money is no object why
would someone buy a 7200 router over a Catalyst 6500 with FLEXWAN modules.
Thank you, sorry if this is too vague.

I personally would recommend separating L2 switching from routing 
myself.  Purpose built platforms tend to have optimal cost efficiencies and 
stable software.   Nice, fast, cheap L2 switching to the desktop tapped 
into a decent routed backbone sounds ideal to me.  Small broadcast domains 
are quite helpful as well, unless you are a big fan of Sapping Tree.



Brett




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PIX 501 NAT / PAT [7:62907]

2003-02-12 Thread Curious
Fellows
I have PIX 501 on my home netwoek, it is connected with Cable Router, from
where its gets Dynamic Internet IP address.
Now lets say i want to run my Web Server or Email Server, i have to NAT or
PAT my Web Server Internal Address with Dynamic Internet IP address that PIX
gets from ISP.
My concern is when Internet IP address will change, i will loose my Web
Server will be down also.
Is there a way i can do dynamic NAT / PAT.
People who have Used Link Sys Cable / DSL Routers knows what i am talking
about. When ever Internet IP address changes Linksys (or other brands)
change the NAT / PAT. and your Web Server / Email Server is always UP.



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Re: ccie per hour rate [7:62894]

2003-02-12 Thread raj
If you looking to directly hire a CCIE who is incorporated, about $80-$100
should be fine, depending on quantity,quality of work exp.

Its another story if you are hiring a ccie through a consulting or staffing
agency.

cya

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Re: Internet Connections [7:62863]

2003-02-12 Thread Andrew Dorsett
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, John Neiberger wrote:

 thing else.  We have seen packets go out one interface and return on
 the
 other.  I suspect that something is not right with the border routers.
  Any
 thoughts or suggestions?

 They're probably using BGP and they're both advertising the same
 prefixes.  This is actually pretty normal behavior.  You don't have a

So do your two links terminate at the same provider at the same POP?  If
so they may have simply added two static routes pointing your block over
the two links.  This is commonly done for companies who have two links
(2xT1s) without a multiplexor and don't want to run BGP.  It's kind of a
poor man's configuration.  It's easy and simple to implement but gives the
end user unpredictable return paths.

Inbound Router-1 = 192.168.1.254
Inbound Router-2 = 192.168.2.254
Your IP Block = 172.16.0.0 255.255.0.0

Your ISP May have the following on the POP router:
ip route 172.16.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.1.254
ip route 172.16.0.0 255.255.0.0 192.168.2.254

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RE: Internet Connections [7:62863]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
I think we need more info. Questions below...

DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
 
 I have a class B network subnetted using a 21 bit mask.  This
 network has 2
 connections to the internet, 1 is by a T3 the other is a 512K
 T1.  Each
 connection to the internet comes out of a subnet, goes through
 a firewall,
 and then through a Cisco 7200 router.  We have static routes in
 place to
 assure that the returning packets go to the proper firewall.  I
 don't know
 for sure if the routers connecting to the internet are running
 BGP or some
 thing else.  We have seen packets go out one interface and
 return on the
 other.  

One interface of what? The 7200? Does the 7200 connect to multiple border
routers? Can you tell us more about that part of the topology?

 I suspect that something is not right with the border
 routers.  Any
 thoughts or suggestions?

It's very difficult to control how traffic comes back into your network over
the Internet. Entire books by Berkowitz, etc. have been written on this topic.

But it's not necessarily a problem. If the traffic all ends up at the 7200
and the 7200 is configured correctly with the static routes that you
mentioned, the traffic should end up at the right place. What problem are
you trying to solve?

By the way, John makes a really good point about pinhole congestion. See his
post too. Thanks.

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RE: TCP connection drops after 11 minutes [7:62855]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Jason Dimagiba wrote:
 
 Hello everyone, it's been a while since I last posted a message
 on this
 board 
 
 My question is:
 
 I currently experience a session timeout after 11 minutes
 running a
 query on  IE5.  I was thinking it may be the MTU size being set 
 incorrectly on the router.  

It's unlikely that suddenly after 11 minutes you encountered a large packet
that hit an MTU size problem. Usually if there's an MTU issue, a problem
happens right away. On the other hand, a lot of HTTP servers don't send full
packets until you do something wild like start downloading songs or video or
FTP a file. Were you doing something different at 11 minutes, like
downloading something, whereas you were simply surfing before?

Does it always happen after 11 minutes, regardless of the Web site you go
to? If it's always 11 minutes for any Web site, maybe there's some timer set
somewhere like on your firewall or caching server. It's hard to say.

 I may be wrong but has anyone ever
 came
 across this in their network? 

Sure, disconnects happen all the time for about a billion different reasons.

 What are the things to check
 for? 

Information. You have to gather more data about the problem.

Priscilla

 Any
 suggestion will be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Cisco Nuts wrote:
 
 John,
 
 First...CONGRATS
 You can do it!!
 Yes, there area moments when you feel that way...especially the
 first couple
 of timesbut in the end you will come out a champ!!
 
 When I started teaching the CCNA/NP a couple of years back, I
 too felt the
 same initially, but personally, teaching has been the best
 thing for me in
 my life!! I love teaching and am passionate about it. I am just
 dying to
 pass the CCIE Lab so I can begin my own tutoring in my basement
 for the
 CCNA/NP/IP courses.
 The trick is to really prepare for it the night before and then
 dive
 straight to the hands-on section in the class. Then start
 explaining the
 concepts about the material as you do the hands-on. Students
 love the
 hands-on!!

This brings me to a comment I was thinking about making anyway. Tom Lisa
mentioned four types of learners. I think it was visual, aural, read/write,
and kinesthetic (as in movement). I bet the kinesthetic learners do indeed
like to dive right into hands-on, but how about the others? They may not.

Take me, for example. Please take, me. Just kidding.

If you do hands-on too early in a class, I won't get much out of it at all.
I'll be thinking, OK, that's a nice marketing demo, but what's it really
doing behind the scenes? How does it work? Why does it work? Show me some
architectural drawings, explain the components and how they relate to each
other.

I have to hear the theory first and see some visual explanations. And I'm
not the only one like this.

John has a difficult task because he has learners of all levels, from
different walks of life. I bet he has a huge mix of learning styles.

Now, you might think that networking attracts hands-on learners, so if he
were teaching all real networking people, he would have an esier time. I
have actually studied this, and that's not so. There's definitely a mix of
types who are attracted to networking, both analytical/theoretical types and
kinesthetic learners.

A few years ago I participated in a study of personality types of networking
people. We used the Myers Briggs personality test. I came out as INTJ
(Introvert, iNtuitive, Thinking, Judgeing.) A lot of other people did too.
We have a tendency to do way to much theory first! ;-)

The other side of Intuitive is Sensory. A lot of people in the networking
field have S in their Myers Briggs personality type. These folks learn with
their senses, especially their hands. They like lots of hands-on.

Anyway, bottom line, you need to run your class in a balanced manner to
accomodate all these types as much as possible.

There's more about the Myers Briggs personality sorter here:

http://keirsey.com/

Anyone else want to share what they are, or have we wasted enough bandwidth
on this already? :-)

Priscilla







 Preparing your own notes help as students respect
 you more than
 just saying Ok guys, let's turn to page 31 and talk about
 Ospf. Ospf
 is.
 
 Good Luck.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: John Neiberger 
 Reply-To: John Neiberger 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]
 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:12:07 GMT
 
 I just feel the need to rant/vent for a bit and I knew there
 were a
 bunch of you who might be able to relate to this.  I've
 started teaching
 a short, one-session general networking class for some of the
 people
 here at the bank.  The first session, which was really just a
 runthrough
 with a handful of students, went fairly well.  In fact, it
 went so well
 that they increased the number of overall attendees to about
 60 or so.
 
 Last week I had another session that went exceptionally well,
 except
 for a couple of students who really didn't want to be there. 
 I couldn't
 have asked for it to go better, and my boss heard lots of good
 things
 about it.  One person even said I should be a professor!  :-) 
 Now, that
 brings us to today
 
 Today I had an afternoon class, and in my opinion it sucked
 rotten
 eggs.  I feel embarrassed to have been involved with it.I
 can't
 think of too many ways in which it could have gone worse.  I
 rambled, I
 flew through 2.5 hours of material in about an hour, I lost my
 place a
 lot.  I'm not certain that I ever formed a train of thought
 longer than
 a couple of cars, and I think even those trains were without
 engine and
 caboose.
 
 Have any of you other instructors had days like that?  As I
 even
 mentioned in class, I felt like my 'explainer' was broken
 today, and it
 certainly was.  I'm hoping that I could get some sympathy from
 other
 instructors with similar experiences.
 
 Okay, I'm going to go drown my disappointment in some coffee!
 
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BGP Question [7:62914]

2003-02-12 Thread Jim Devane
Hi all, 
I am looking for some guidelines and I cannot find any relevant examples. I
have a situation where I have SWIP'd a /24 of my address block to a customer
downstream. They have their own AS and are multi-homed.

My concern/question is: the /24 will originate from their AS and not mine.
Is there any special concerns I will need to take into accoutn for BGP
advertisements to my upstream providers? That is, I will peer with him and
allow his AS to originate the router and allow ^$ from him, but I am
concerned that this will mess up my advertisements of a /19. (the /24 I gave
him is out of my larger. Can I no longer advertise that?

Are my concerns founded at all? Any advice?

thanks,
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Myers Briggs Re: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]

2003-02-12 Thread John Neiberger
John has a difficult task because he has learners of all levels, from
different walks of life. I bet he has a huge mix of learning styles.

Now, you might think that networking attracts hands-on learners, so if
he
were teaching all real networking people, he would have an esier
time. I
have actually studied this, and that's not so. There's definitely a
mix of
types who are attracted to networking, both analytical/theoretical
types and
kinesthetic learners.

A few years ago I participated in a study of personality types of
networking
people. We used the Myers Briggs personality test. I came out as INTJ
(Introvert, iNtuitive, Thinking, Judgeing.) A lot of other people did
too.
We have a tendency to do way to much theory first! ;-)

The other side of Intuitive is Sensory. A lot of people in the
networking
field have S in their Myers Briggs personality type. These folks learn
with
their senses, especially their hands. They like lots of hands-on.

Anyway, bottom line, you need to run your class in a balanced manner
to
accomodate all these types as much as possible.

There's more about the Myers Briggs personality sorter here:

http://keirsey.com/ 

Anyone else want to share what they are, or have we wasted enough
bandwidth
on this already? :-)

Priscilla


First, you're correct about the mix of learning styles in my class. 
This is just a three-hour overview of networking and TCP/IP, and it is a
little difficult to convey the necessary information without a portion
of the class getting lost or falling asleep.  :-)  I've heard good
things about the class yesterday that I thought went so poorly so
perhaps I was overreacting.

As for Myers Briggs, I'm a fellow INTJ.  However, I really dislike
their testing process.  It seems to consist of Given a certain
situation would you do A or would you do B with no room for a 'maybe'
answer.  At least a third of the time I wish there were a sometimes A
and sometimes B answer.  Perhaps that means I'm an INTJ with definite
ISTJ leanings?

John




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SPAN and slammer [7:62917]

2003-02-12 Thread John Brandis
Hi All,
 
Have a 4006 in place here using Version 12.1(12c)EW as my core switch.
Yesterday had fun with Slammer, and last night also. I wanted to use the
SPAN so I could mirror the data from one port to my snort box so I could
verify to the sys-admins that it was slammer (they said it would never
happen here). However, noticed that this command was not available on this
IOS. I had to revert back to a hub scenario between my switch and firewall
to see what was going on.
 
My question is, how do you people monitor this without using SPAN, and also,
how do you implement security on a per port basis (such as denying hubs on
your network)
 
PS: Any one ever used a tap here, and if so, how did it fit into your
switched network.
 
Thanks all
 
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Re: BGP Question [7:62914]

2003-02-12 Thread Darrell Newcomb
Jim,

Continue to announce the /19 as before.  You MAY want to also announce the
/24 you've allocated to your downstream; depending upon the business
relationship around this connectivity you may really want to announce the
more specific /24.  This is probably the critical choice you'll make.  More
details about the desired function of this interconnection would be needed
to make intelligent comments on that.

Depending upon the specifics of the environment...The covering /19 will
attract some traffic for this /24 regardless of the customer announcing the
/24 via other providers.  If you also propagate the announcement of this /24
then you will get a bigger % of the inbound traffic for this /24 depending
upon the announcements made on the other interconnection(s) the customer AS
has.  Againmore specifics on the desired traffic flow would be helpful
in deciding behaviour in various states.  For some example of this  When
you give backup connectivity to a company which has sublet space from your
shrinking dotcom, you'd not like to carry any of this downstream's traffic
unless you have to.  When you are billing the customer by the bit you'd like
to bill them for as much traffic as you can carry without increasing your
own costs enough to hurt your margins on the service.

Suggestions:
-Filter his announcements to you beyond just the as-path filter you've
mentioned.  Also use prefix list or such to limit the announcements you'll
listen to be just the prefixes you've agreed to accept.  This is probably
just the /24(and nothing longer) you are allocating to him now.
-Make sure you are allowing all your routers(especially border) to see this
/24(or some covering aggregate) so that you don't create blackholes for some
subset of the network.
-Adjust your outbound route filters to permit the one /24(and nothing
longer) to leak if you've decided you wanted this announced to the world via
your network.  This probably will require you to speak with your upstreams
for them to adjust route filters on their side.
-Regardless verify the announcements from outside your network by using a
public looking glass.

It is likely that all of the objectives for this interconnection will not be
met with canned configuration or suggestions.  It's also quite common that
no one will notice that the objectives are failing to be met.  This is
usually due to the fact that it works right now and it works under
simple failure modes.

Best of luck and if you've got the time to share more details about what is
desired the group can make more suggestions,
Darrell Newcomb
darrell(at)hayaitacosnet
http://www.hayaitacos.net/mpeer/
Home of the Managed Peering Service


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 Hi all,
 I am looking for some guidelines and I cannot find any relevant examples.
I
 have a situation where I have SWIP'd a /24 of my address block to a
customer
 downstream. They have their own AS and are multi-homed.

 My concern/question is: the /24 will originate from their AS and not mine.
 Is there any special concerns I will need to take into accoutn for BGP
 advertisements to my upstream providers? That is, I will peer with him and
 allow his AS to originate the router and allow ^$ from him, but I am
 concerned that this will mess up my advertisements of a /19. (the /24 I
gave
 him is out of my larger. Can I no longer advertise that?

 Are my concerns founded at all? Any advice?

 thanks,
 Jim




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translating network from VPN site [7:62919]

2003-02-12 Thread Milan Jovancic
Hello,
I have some interesting scenario for all.

Well,
I have two location connected over ISP thru VPN tunnel:

Central office side: I have router and PIX 515E with 3 interface. 

'remote office' network: 192.168.2.0/24
'main office' network : 192.0/24  

VPN tunnel is over frame-relay dlci and only one subinterface on central
office router can access to global network:
 
IPsec Tunnel: (outside port PIX)  (router on remote office some Alaied
Tellesyn)

The hint:
I can access from remote office to main office, but I CAN'T do static map IP
address from remote office to exit to internet with public IP address,
because a can't nat ip address from outside interface back to outside
interface again with public IP, or I can!?

The one solution is probably to configure another interface for VPN
tunnelling with remote office and than do NAT for that interface thru
outside, but I don't have another interface only for intf2/DMZ.

Please is there any good advice for this scenario?

Best regards,
Milan Jovancic 



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RE: Internet Connections [7:62863]

2003-02-12 Thread Ladrach, Daniel E.
What is the T1's purpose? If it is for failover add a route map with a
metric for the BGP. I am not sure who your provider is; however, they may be
doing some static routing. If you have more information on your setup and
what you are trying to accomplish I can give more input.

Daniel Ladrach
CCNP, CCNA
WorldCom



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Subject: Internet Connections [7:62863]


I have a class B network subnetted using a 21 bit mask.  This network has 2
connections to the internet, 1 is by a T3 the other is a 512K T1.  Each
connection to the internet comes out of a subnet, goes through a firewall,
and then through a Cisco 7200 router.  We have static routes in place to
assure that the returning packets go to the proper firewall.  I don't know
for sure if the routers connecting to the internet are running BGP or some
thing else.  We have seen packets go out one interface and return on the
other.  I suspect that something is not right with the border routers.  Any
thoughts or suggestions?




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RE: long ack times [7:62867]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
 
 I have several users who are trying to run an application and
 often have
 problems.  In using a sniffer on the packets I have found that
 some of the
 packets are experiencing long ack times.  How does one
 troubleshoot this
 sort of problem?

Gather the following info:

1. Do you see the Long ACK Time symptom on your Sniffer even when the users
aren't complaining? The Sniffer threshold could be set too low. (Is this a
Sniffer symptom or diagnosis by the way? Sniffer symptoms are sometimes
misleading noise, sorry to say.)

2. Find out which side of the conversation is slow in sending the ACKs, the
client or server. (Also, find out if this Sniffer symptom may just be for
the server side. I think I remember that it only concerns itself with the
server side.)

3. What is your topology? What internetworking equipment is between the
users and the resources they are trying to reach? What errors to these
devices report? Gather statistics from the devices, including reliability,
load, errors, collisions if it's Ethernet, dropped packets, buffer
exhaustion, etc.

4. Assuming you were sniffing near the user when you saw this symptom,
incrementally move the Sniffer hop-by-hop until you're on the server's LAN.
If the symptom disappears at some point, then you have an idea where the
congestion is, one hop back from the hop where the problem disappears.

5. If you still see the Long ACK Time on the server's LAN, then call the
server dudes in. Tell them you have proof that the server is slow. Harrass
them 'til they fix the problem. :-)

6. Depending on the OS of the server, there are probably quite a few tools
you could use at the server, if you ARE the server dude. Check CPU,
memory, and disk usage; caching behavior; thrashing behavior; etc.

7. If the Long ACK problem doesn't occur on the LAN that the server is on
but does occur closer to the client, then you can't blame the server dudes.
You have to blame the network engineers. You may have to point the finger at
yourself, unfortunatley. Go back to step 3 where you analyze internetworking
device statistics. Could there be a congested shared Ethernet network
somewhere. Could there be an Ethernet duplex mismach problem? Are WANs
invovled? Are they congested or experiencing errors?

Oh, one more thing, buy a copy of Troubleshooting Campus Networks! :-)

___

Priscilla Oppenheimer
www.troubleshootingnetworks.com
www.priscilla.com



 
 




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Cisco GSS-type solution? [7:62921]

2003-02-12 Thread Edward Sohn
Does anyone know of a cheaper solution that works like Cisco's GSS?  I
need a device that will monitor an actual website and redirect traffic
to another geographically located website in the event of the primary
website's failure.

Thanks,

Ed




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RE: SPAN and slammer [7:62917]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Hey, you can't expect Cisco to be consistent, can you? :-)

It looks like on the 4000 the SPAN command is monitor session. See here:

ww.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat4000/12_1_14/config/span.htm

Although I understand the gist of your question about port security and hope
somebody answers it, I just wanted to mention that you can't recognize that
a hub has been inserted. It's just a physical-layer device. It doesn't send
frames, just bits. It doesn't have a MAC address. (If it's a managed hub and
needs to send management data, then it does have a MAC address, and then you
could identify it was there if it happened to send some management data.)

Sniffing on switched networks is problematic. I think, strange though it
might sound, it's rather common to insert a hub in order to use an analyzer
or IDS. It's a shame, though, because you have to set the endpoints to half
duplex and risk performance and, worse, auto-negotiation problems.

Of course, getting SPAN to work is preferable, but as you noticed, that can
be problematic too!

Priscilla

John Brandis wrote:
 
 Hi All,
  
 Have a 4006 in place here using Version 12.1(12c)EW as my core
 switch.
 Yesterday had fun with Slammer, and last night also. I wanted
 to use the
 SPAN so I could mirror the data from one port to my snort box
 so I could
 verify to the sys-admins that it was slammer (they said it
 would never
 happen here). However, noticed that this command was not
 available on this
 IOS. I had to revert back to a hub scenario between my switch
 and firewall
 to see what was going on.
  
 My question is, how do you people monitor this without using
 SPAN, and also,
 how do you implement security on a per port basis (such as
 denying hubs on
 your network)
  
 PS: Any one ever used a tap here, and if so, how did it fit
 into your
 switched network.
  
 Thanks all
  
 John
  
 
 
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Re: Internet Connections [7:62863]

2003-02-12 Thread Sam Sneed
If both links go to smae provider they're the ones responsible for returning
traffic. Contact them and I'm sure they could help you out.
DeVoe, Charles (PKI)  wrote in message
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 I have a class B network subnetted using a 21 bit mask.  This network has
2
 connections to the internet, 1 is by a T3 the other is a 512K T1.  Each
 connection to the internet comes out of a subnet, goes through a firewall,
 and then through a Cisco 7200 router.  We have static routes in place to
 assure that the returning packets go to the proper firewall.  I don't know
 for sure if the routers connecting to the internet are running BGP or some
 thing else.  We have seen packets go out one interface and return on the
 other.  I suspect that something is not right with the border routers.
Any
 thoughts or suggestions?




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Re: SPAN and slammer [7:62917]

2003-02-12 Thread Bob Sinclair
John,

It looks like you need the monitor session command on this box.  Check
this out in the command reference.

HTH,


-Bob Sinclair
CCIE #10427, MCSE
Senior Network Engineer
Networking For Future, Inc.
www.nffinc.com
- Original Message -
From: John Brandis 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 6:56 PM
Subject: SPAN and slammer [7:62917]


 Hi All,

 Have a 4006 in place here using Version 12.1(12c)EW as my core switch.
 Yesterday had fun with Slammer, and last night also. I wanted to use the
 SPAN so I could mirror the data from one port to my snort box so I could
 verify to the sys-admins that it was slammer (they said it would never
 happen here). However, noticed that this command was not available on this
 IOS. I had to revert back to a hub scenario between my switch and firewall
 to see what was going on.

 My question is, how do you people monitor this without using SPAN, and
also,
 how do you implement security on a per port basis (such as denying hubs on
 your network)

 PS: Any one ever used a tap here, and if so, how did it fit into your
 switched network.

 Thanks all

 John



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RE: Myers Briggs Re: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
John Neiberger wrote:
 
 As for Myers Briggs, I'm a fellow INTJ. 

Cool! :-)

 However, I really
 dislike
 their testing process.  It seems to consist of Given a certain
 situation would you do A or would you do B with no room for a
 'maybe'
 answer.  At least a third of the time I wish there were a
 sometimes A
 and sometimes B answer.  Perhaps that means I'm an INTJ with
 definite
 ISTJ leanings?

Yeah, it's kind of silly. And the entire idea of classifying people into 16
slots is questionable too, but it has its uses.

Also, I wanted to mention to people that if you go through the pain of
answering the 70 questions on that Keirsey site that I mentioned before,
when they score you, they don't give you complete information. They just
clasify you into one of 4 types. You have to pay to get your full results
and your exact type! The creeps. There are probably free tests on the Web
too somewhere.

Priscilla


 
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Re: TCP connection drops after 11 minutes [7:62855]

2003-02-12 Thread Darrell Newcomb
Since there isn't enough details and the answers to Priscilla's questions
would help us.  I'll continue the speculative guessing game with a few spare
minutes.

When I read the description I thought Jason meant that he made (one) request
to a webserver which was taking a VERY long time to complete.  11 minutes
later this request failed as per some message from the web browser.

Guessing Scenarios:
1)The request being made to the server was really an http upload of a file
and transferring the file was taking a long time.  Do you see mid to high
levels of network activity to/from the endhost running the web browser?
2)The request required backend operations by the webserver which were
particularly weighty for this specific request.  Is this specific request a
particularly big query?  Do similar queries over smaller time periods,
datasets, or whatever dimension (you have to scale down the workload) also
take this long?

Have you checked server logs?  I assumed this only happens for a specific
type or subset of the queries you launch so there should be something to
point you in the right direction.
Also the specific timeout on the client side(web browser) would be helpful.
Is it the tcp session which is dropping, an error message delivered from the
webserver due to an application timeout, ...

Best of Luck,
Darrell



Netswitch Technology Management
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Jason Dimagiba  wrote in message
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 Hello everyone, it's been a while since I last posted a message on this
 board 

 My question is:

 I currently experience a session timeout after 11 minutes running a
 query on  IE5.  I was thinking it may be the MTU size being set
 incorrectly on the router.  I may be wrong but has anyone ever came
 across this in their network?  What are the things to check for?  Any
 suggestion will be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks,

 jd




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Cataylst 5505 or 3500 [7:62927]

2003-02-12 Thread K Ali
Hi all,

Please clear confusion. For my CCNP labs which Switch is recomended. 3500 or
should use 5500 series?

They both support layer 3 switching as well as multilayer switch.

Is 3500 fix and 5500 is modular??? In 5500 I need to put Net flow card and
Route switch card for layer 3 and multi layer switching then how about
3500?? Are these cards builtin in 3500??

5500 is set based then how about 3500??? Is it also set based or Ios based?

So finally which one more recomended one as I know the official CCNP books
they use 5500 for labs and for CCIE prep they use 3500.

Thanks..

Will appreciate your help.

Regards,

Ali




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Re: explain these ACLs [7:62843]

2003-02-12 Thread Karagozian Sarkis
Not sure if IPX is used, but this will block any incoming/Outgoing IP
traffic correct...
I will investigate more and get back...



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HDLC, line protocols, and keepalives. [7:62928]

2003-02-12 Thread Mossburg, Geoff (MAN-Corporate)
All,
I'm having a problem that I don't understand and I was hoping
someone out there might be able to give me some insight. I have a 2503 with
an HDLC connection on Serial0 going out to my service provider. The
running-config is very basic (sanitized, of course):

version 11.2
!
ip subnet-zero
!
interface Serial0
 ip address x.x.x.18 255.255.255.252
 keepalive 9
 no fair-queue
!
interface Serial1
 shutdown
!
interface BRI0
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
router eigrp 100
 network 10.0.0.0
!
no ip classless
!
bridge 11 protocol ieee
end

The problem I am having is that the line protocol is bouncing, but neither
my provider nor I can find a problem. I have swapped all the cables AND the
router, but the problem persists. I noticed that the line protocol goes down
for 9 seconds, then is up for 18 seconds, then the cycle repeats. For SG, I
lowered the keepalives to 2 seconds; sure enough, the line protocol dropped
for 2 seconds, then was up for 4. By removing keepalives altogether, the
circuit stays up! What is going on here? Am I missing something painfully
obvious?
Thanks!
Geoff Mossburg




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CCIE Study Materials - Anti-Rant [7:62930]

2003-02-12 Thread The Long and Winding Road
There was some off line discussion earlier today about an attempted post
asking about CCIE study materials, in particular vendors of practice labs. I
don't see that particular post in the list today, so I'm going to assume
that the decision was made not to allow it. And I am going to rant a bit
about this and the topic of posting questions like which study materials,
which books, which practice labs are best for whatever?

Having been a regular participant on this news group for over three years
now, I, like many here, have seen these same questions over and over. As the
off line discussion went - maybe we should tell whomever just to go search
the archives.

My rant is this - maybe I'm cynical, and maybe I've seen all the same
questions over an over, but dammit, this newsgroup was started to help
people prepare for certifications, and dammit just because I or anyone else
has seen the same questions over an over doesn't mean that everyone else
has. These topics should be permitted, should be discussed, and names should
be named.

I appreciate the concern about commercial posts. I appreciate that there
have been a couple of people who have footers advertising all of their
business ventures, and will regularly post that's right answers to other
posts just to get their products and services out in front of this group.

I appreciate that folks like Howard and Priscilla also have books and other
things to sell, but are welcome here because of their unselfish
participation, and unselfish helpfulness.

I appreciate that there are other sources of study materials and rent a rack
time than those whose names come up regularly here and over on the CCIE
list.

I appreciate that some of the purveyors of books and study materials don't
bother participating on this forum, but that does not in and of itself say
anything about the value of their products or services. I think a forum like
this is an appropriate avenue to discuss the options out there.

While I personally don't care for a lot of the what's best questions
because I think they beg he issue and really miss the point, I do think that
the purpose of this news list remains exchange of information and advice to
those who ask and from those willing to offer.

I will finish this anti rant with two thoughts.

1) it's up to the participants here to determine how they want things to go.
If people don't want to read posts about what's best they are certainly
free to ignore them. If they can offer advice, I believe people should be
free to offer it. I certainly think people should be free to ask. I also
think that vendors should not be sneaking in here under false names and
false pretenses asking people to comment on their product.

2) in the end, I don't believe that any of the books or classes or practice
labs are better than any others in terms of preparing people for certs,
particularly for the CCIE Lab. It is more important to read a lot, study a
lot, practice a lot. Sorry to all of the purveyors of study materials for
saying it, but the key is practice with lots of different situations, not
practice with one vendor or another.

Presented for your consideration.

Chuck

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RE: HSRP question [7:62931]

2003-02-12 Thread Kelly Cobean
Larry,
Care to elaborate a little on the downside to doing this?  We're doing
it in our network but I'd love to present some reasons why we shouldn't and
start looking at some proper VLAN config's.  Right now we have something
like 6 class-c networks configured on a single interface of each of our
routers.  I know it creates a really overpopulated broadcast domain...What
else should I be considering?  Thanks.

Kelly Cobean

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Larry Letterman
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:31 PM
To: MADMAN; CCIE FUN
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HSRP question


I have run hsrp on primary and secondary address's and it
works..
However , I support Dave's thoughts that I dont like to do
it for prduction
networks or for long periods of time...

Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


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To: CCIE FUN 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: HSRP question


Yes you can do this but I wouldn't design a network
with secondaries.
   Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Secondaries should be
 used only for temporary situations, converting ip
addresses for example.

have fun

Dave

 CCIE FUN wrote:
  Hi all
  I have two routers running HSRP for a network subnet
  lets say for e.g 1.1.1.0/24 on E0 of both the routers.
 
  now can i add secondary address to these routers on
  Interface E0 and also run HSRP for these secondary
  address.
  I want to add about 10 secondary address.
  how will the HSRP config be. Can i run HSRP for
  multiple secondary addresses on these routers.
 
  thanks
 
 
 
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Re: Myers Briggs Re: OT: New Instructor Experiences [7:62826]

2003-02-12 Thread The Long and Winding Road
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 John has a difficult task because he has learners of all levels, from
 different walks of life. I bet he has a huge mix of learning styles.
 
 Now, you might think that networking attracts hands-on learners, so if
 he
 were teaching all real networking people, he would have an esier
 time. I
 have actually studied this, and that's not so. There's definitely a
 mix of
 types who are attracted to networking, both analytical/theoretical
 types and
 kinesthetic learners.
 
 A few years ago I participated in a study of personality types of
 networking
 people. We used the Myers Briggs personality test. I came out as INTJ
 (Introvert, iNtuitive, Thinking, Judgeing.) A lot of other people did
 too.
 We have a tendency to do way to much theory first! ;-)
 
 The other side of Intuitive is Sensory. A lot of people in the
 networking
 field have S in their Myers Briggs personality type. These folks learn
 with
 their senses, especially their hands. They like lots of hands-on.
 
 Anyway, bottom line, you need to run your class in a balanced manner
 to
 accomodate all these types as much as possible.
 
 There's more about the Myers Briggs personality sorter here:
 
 http://keirsey.com/
 
 Anyone else want to share what they are, or have we wasted enough
 bandwidth
 on this already? :-)
 
 Priscilla
 

 First, you're correct about the mix of learning styles in my class.
 This is just a three-hour overview of networking and TCP/IP, and it is a
 little difficult to convey the necessary information without a portion
 of the class getting lost or falling asleep.  :-)  I've heard good
 things about the class yesterday that I thought went so poorly so
 perhaps I was overreacting.

 As for Myers Briggs, I'm a fellow INTJ.  However, I really dislike
 their testing process.  It seems to consist of Given a certain
 situation would you do A or would you do B with no room for a 'maybe'
 answer.  At least a third of the time I wish there were a sometimes A
 and sometimes B answer.  Perhaps that means I'm an INTJ with definite
 ISTJ leanings?


no, it means you're management material, if not husband material. ;-





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Re: Cataylst 5505 or 3500 [7:62927]

2003-02-12 Thread Richard Burdette
K,

I recently went through this thought process myself and in the end went with
the 5000 series.  I based my decision of several items;

1. I already had a 5000 switch.
2. CCNP switching track knows nothing of the 3550
3. Expense, I added a SupIII engine and RSM on my 5000 relatively cheaply

One thought you might keep in mind is the 3550, from what I've gathered on
this new group, is in the CCIE lab so if you were to want to seek that
designation, you'd then have to look into one of those, or rent one from an
online rack.  If I get that far I'll probably use a rack myself.

Rich

K Ali  wrote in message
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 Hi all,

 Please clear confusion. For my CCNP labs which Switch is recomended. 3500
or
 should use 5500 series?

 They both support layer 3 switching as well as multilayer switch.

 Is 3500 fix and 5500 is modular??? In 5500 I need to put Net flow card and
 Route switch card for layer 3 and multi layer switching then how about
 3500?? Are these cards builtin in 3500??

 5500 is set based then how about 3500??? Is it also set based or Ios
based?

 So finally which one more recomended one as I know the official CCNP books
 they use 5500 for labs and for CCIE prep they use 3500.

 Thanks..

 Will appreciate your help.

 Regards,

 Ali




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Top Down Book [7:62934]

2003-02-12 Thread John Brandis
While we are speaking of books, I went to the bookshop just then and had a
look at Pricilla's book. Don't know what you pay in the US for a book,
however it was on sale for $140AUD...
 
That's to much for me, however it looked like a good book. 


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Re: Top Down Book [7:62934]

2003-02-12 Thread The Long and Winding Road
John Brandis  wrote in message
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 While we are speaking of books, I went to the bookshop just then and had a
 look at Pricilla's book. Don't know what you pay in the US for a book,
 however it was on sale for $140AUD...


I thought the US dollar was low worldwide. Boy, your economy sure must be
down under. :-

( the book lists at 55 USD. )



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RE: HDLC, line protocols, and keepalives. [7:62928]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
It sure sounds like your service provider isn't using keepalives, i.e. has
no keepalive configured on their serial interface. Both ends have to
either be using keepalives or not, with the same timer.

You would think that they would checked that, but the symptoms point to that
being the problem. Let us know if that's not the case, though. In fact, let
us know if you find out that it is the case! Thanks.

Priscilla

Mossburg, Geoff (MAN-Corporate) wrote:
 
 All,
   I'm having a problem that I don't understand and I was hoping
 someone out there might be able to give me some insight. I have
 a 2503 with
 an HDLC connection on Serial0 going out to my service provider.
 The
 running-config is very basic (sanitized, of course):
 
 version 11.2
 !
 ip subnet-zero
 !
 interface Serial0
  ip address x.x.x.18 255.255.255.252
  keepalive 9
  no fair-queue
 !
 interface Serial1
  shutdown
 !
 interface BRI0
  no ip address
  shutdown
 !
 router eigrp 100
  network 10.0.0.0
 !
 no ip classless
 !
 bridge 11 protocol ieee
 end
 
 The problem I am having is that the line protocol is bouncing,
 but neither
 my provider nor I can find a problem. I have swapped all the
 cables AND the
 router, but the problem persists. I noticed that the line
 protocol goes down
 for 9 seconds, then is up for 18 seconds, then the cycle
 repeats. For SG, I
 lowered the keepalives to 2 seconds; sure enough, the line
 protocol dropped
 for 2 seconds, then was up for 4. By removing keepalives
 altogether, the
 circuit stays up! What is going on here? Am I missing something
 painfully
 obvious?
 Thanks!
 Geoff Mossburg
 
 




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Site-to-Site and Remote Access VPN on PIX? [7:62937]

2003-02-12 Thread Kim Seng
Greetings,

Can I configure a Cisco PIX firewall to do both
site-to-site and remote access vpn preshares key in
one box?

The reason I asked because after configuring
site-to-site vpn, my remote access vpn stops working.

Kim.

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RE: Top Down Book [7:62934]

2003-02-12 Thread John Brandis
However, you people in the US get paid double what we earn here, it so
tempting to come there and work, however I could not take the kids there at
the moment with all that's going on there. Would not feel safe.

A good network person here, with Unix skills, Windows Skills and at least 2
years security, hovering around CCNP, would earn about $70kAUD
($1AUD=$0.55USD). That would be good pay. However my friend is a CCIE with
solid VOIP experience, and gets paid $100kAUD




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John Brandis  wrote in message
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 While we are speaking of books, I went to the bookshop just then and had a
 look at Pricilla's book. Don't know what you pay in the US for a book,
 however it was on sale for $140AUD...


I thought the US dollar was low worldwide. Boy, your economy sure must be
down under. :-

( the book lists at 55 USD. )



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Snort versus Cisco IDS [7:62939]

2003-02-12 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
Someone told me in an authoritative voice today that Cisco doesn't recommend
their IDS. They recommend Snort. Is this really true? Isn't Cisco's IDS a
big part of SAFE?

Of course, the person who said this doesn't understand that Cisco is a huge,
chaotic organism, and that saying Cisco does something based on what one
person does, doesn't make sense.

But I'm just curious, what do you all recommend for intrusion detection? How
do Snort and Cisco IDS compare? I guess Cisco's solution is a bit more
complicated, requiring appliances or IDS cards in a switch and a console:

Cisco Secure IDS Director—HP OpenView Network Node Manager plug-in that
runs on UNIX (Solaris and HP-UX)

Cisco Secure Policy Manager (v2.2+)—Windows NT-based package

Thanks.

Priscilla


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Ethernet/Server Issues [7:62940]

2003-02-12 Thread Firesox
I have run into a problem in produciton network.

I have 3548XL switches connecting servers and workstations.
One server I am having problem with is running NT4.0 with Oracle database
running.
The connection to this server drops at random interval.  It goes away and
comes back.
Contiuous ping will succeed for 10 minutes and fail for 2 minutes without
any traffic at all as the troubleshooting took place after hours.
Tried different NICs in the server and didn't make any difference.
We have spanning-tree enabled.  The Speed/Duplex setting on the server and
Switch port don't make any difference wheather set to auto-auto or
100full-100full.
Portfast is enabled on the port.  Software is the latest version.
I did notice error message saying ***RTD(or RDT cannot remember which
one):ADDFLAP: port f0/1 relarned 5 times*** or something along that line.
I looked it up on the TAC, but no luck.
Any help would be appreciated.




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Re: HSRP question [7:62941]

2003-02-12 Thread Larry Letterman
Issues I have with secondary ip address's :

In the sh ip int br command, the 10.x.x.x secondary on the below interface
does not show up

The dhcp request for that interface will advertise out the primary interface
not the secondary address, so it is extremely difficult to get the secondary
ip address's a dhcp address

It adds a lot of overhead to the interface connection tables and hsrp can act
strange
on certain routers, especially older routers with resource limits...

interface FastEthernet1/0
 description 590 Brennan St.
 ip address 10.17.212.2 255.255.255.0 secondary
 ip address 171.70.34.3 255.255.255.0
 no ip redirects
 arp timeout 1740
 standby priority 105 preempt
 standby ip 171.70.34.1
 standby track Se6/0/0
 standby 2 priority 105 preempt
 standby 2 ip 10.17.212.1
 standby 2 track Se6/0/0
 hold-queue 150 in


sjbrn-gw1#sh ip int br
Ethernet0/0192.168.54.131  YES NVRAM  up
up
FastEthernet1/0171.70.34.3 YES NVRAM  up
up
Serial6/0/0171.68.2.22 YES NVRAM  up
up








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- Original Message -
From: Kelly Cobean 
To: Larry Letterman ; Cisco groupstudy

Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: HSRP question


 Larry,
 Care to elaborate a little on the downside to doing this?  We're doing
 it in our network but I'd love to present some reasons why we shouldn't and
 start looking at some proper VLAN config's.  Right now we have something
 like 6 class-c networks configured on a single interface of each of our
 routers.  I know it creates a really overpopulated broadcast domain...What
 else should I be considering?  Thanks.

 Kelly Cobean

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
 Larry Letterman
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:31 PM
 To: MADMAN; CCIE FUN
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: HSRP question


 I have run hsrp on primary and secondary address's and it
 works..
 However , I support Dave's thoughts that I dont like to do
 it for prduction
 networks or for long periods of time...

 Larry Letterman
 Network Engineer
 Cisco Systems


 - Original Message -
 From: MADMAN 
 To: CCIE FUN 
 Cc: 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:29 PM
 Subject: Re: HSRP question


 Yes you can do this but I wouldn't design a network
 with secondaries.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 Secondaries should be
  used only for temporary situations, converting ip
 addresses for example.
 
 have fun
 
 Dave
 
  CCIE FUN wrote:
   Hi all
   I have two routers running HSRP for a network subnet
   lets say for e.g 1.1.1.0/24 on E0 of both the routers.
  
   now can i add secondary address to these routers on
   Interface E0 and also run HSRP for these secondary
   address.
   I want to add about 10 secondary address.
   how will the HSRP config be. Can i run HSRP for
   multiple secondary addresses on these routers.
  
   thanks
  
  
  
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Re: Snort versus Cisco IDS [7:62939]

2003-02-12 Thread Anan Beshara
I work on most of Cisco IDS devices. At the beginning, when the ids was just
new, you could only operate it from the Director which need as u know HP
open view and Unix machine which was not easy compared with other IDS. Then
Cisco came out with the CSPM 2.3 which in my opinion was really a headache.
It was operating over NT. And you won't believe how many times it crashes
and I have to reinstall it without any reson. Now, I guess Cisco IDS is
getting more stable. If you buy the IDS alone , you can operate it fully
without the need to have special software since it has a web interface which
in my opinion are really very good. It s web interface. Also the new IDS
managmenet console that comes bundled with the CiscoWorks VPN/Security
Management Solution (VMS) 2.1. It is really good and operate on Windows 2000
and stable. People who works on the CSPM 2.3, I think they will thank God
that now they have this. I guess Cisco IDS is getting more and more stable
and more productive. This is what I think.

Regards,
Anan Beshara
CCIE 7791

Priscilla Oppenheimer  wrote in message
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 Someone told me in an authoritative voice today that Cisco doesn't
recommend
 their IDS. They recommend Snort. Is this really true? Isn't Cisco's IDS a
 big part of SAFE?

 Of course, the person who said this doesn't understand that Cisco is a
huge,
 chaotic organism, and that saying Cisco does something based on what one
 person does, doesn't make sense.

 But I'm just curious, what do you all recommend for intrusion detection?
How
 do Snort and Cisco IDS compare? I guess Cisco's solution is a bit more
 complicated, requiring appliances or IDS cards in a switch and a console:

 Cisco Secure IDS Director-HP OpenView Network Node Manager plug-in that
 runs on UNIX (Solaris and HP-UX)

 Cisco Secure Policy Manager (v2.2+)-Windows NT-based package

 Thanks.

 Priscilla




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