Re: [Elecraft] P3 Span settings

[Clay Autery]

I apologize.  I must have missed that part...  

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On 2/17/2016 4:31 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Hi,
> Yes, the ";" is a slight delay...  However I believe this issue goes
> beyond a simple delay...  
>
> As I mentioned in my last post, I have a set of macros, where the last
> macro crashes the first macro in the string...  In my mind, that pretty
> well eliminates all timing issues...

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Span settings

[Dave Cole]

Hi,
Yes, the ";" is a slight delay...  However I believe this issue goes
beyond a simple delay...  

As I mentioned in my last post, I have a set of macros, where the last
macro crashes the first macro in the string...  In my mind, that pretty
well eliminates all timing issues...
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On Wed, 2016-02-17 at 15:22 -0600, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't looked into the command language for the P3 in depth yet...
> 
> Is there a command for a "time delay".  It would appear that you need
> to
> insert a time delay in between each individual command to allow the
> unit
> time to respond to each step.
> 
> Just a SWAG...  (If the command doesn't exist, it looks like a prime
> candidate for the next Firmware iteration)
> 
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> On 2/17/2016 2:46 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > Hello Tim and Gary,
> > 
> > I have done extensive testing in trying to get a macro to perform
> > this
> > exact behavior...  
> > 
> > I do not believe "currently" there is a way to make this happen via
> > macro commands.  
> > 
> > If you perform the needed steps by hand, with lots of space between
> > commands, it works, if you then place the exact same commands in a
> > macro it fails.
> > 
> > I tested by placing each command below in its own macro key using
> > the
> > P3 Macro tester software included with the P3 utility.  Here is an
> > example:
> > 
> > I have a DX station at 14.010, and I want to move 14.010 to the
> > left
> > edge of the P3, showing the upper 5 KHz ra
> > 
> > 
> > Macro 1:
> > #SPN000100; 
> > Sets span to plus and minus 10 KHz.
> > 
> > Macro 2:
> > UP7;
> > Moves K3 up 5 KHz.
> > 
> > Macro 3:
> > #FXT1;  
> > Places the P3 in sticky mode, (Fixed Tune), locking the transmit
> > frequency to the center of the P3 screen.
> > 
> > Macro 4:
> > DN7;
> > Moves the K3 down 5, dragging the transmit freq down with it, and
> > putting the transmit freq on the left edge of the P3, exposing the
> > upper 10 KHz of the signals on the P3.
> > 
> > If I then fire them one at a time, everything works as expected,
> > the
> > transmit frequency is on the lower left edge for an up split.
> > 
> > If I place them in a single macro, it fails, every time...
> > 
> > 
> > 73's, and thanks,
> > Dave
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Span settings

[Clay Autery]

I haven't looked into the command language for the P3 in depth yet...

Is there a command for a "time delay".  It would appear that you need to
insert a time delay in between each individual command to allow the unit
time to respond to each step.

Just a SWAG...  (If the command doesn't exist, it looks like a prime
candidate for the next Firmware iteration)

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On 2/17/2016 2:46 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Hello Tim and Gary,
>
> I have done extensive testing in trying to get a macro to perform this
> exact behavior...  
>
> I do not believe "currently" there is a way to make this happen via
> macro commands.  
>
> If you perform the needed steps by hand, with lots of space between
> commands, it works, if you then place the exact same commands in a
> macro it fails.
>
> I tested by placing each command below in its own macro key using the
> P3 Macro tester software included with the P3 utility.  Here is an
> example:
>
> I have a DX station at 14.010, and I want to move 14.010 to the left
> edge of the P3, showing the upper 5 KHz ra
>
>
> Macro 1:
> #SPN000100;   
> Sets span to plus and minus 10 KHz.
>
> Macro 2:
> UP7;  
> Moves K3 up 5 KHz.
>
> Macro 3:  
> #FXT1;
> Places the P3 in sticky mode, (Fixed Tune), locking the transmit
> frequency to the center of the P3 screen.
>
> Macro 4:
> DN7;  
> Moves the K3 down 5, dragging the transmit freq down with it, and
> putting the transmit freq on the left edge of the P3, exposing the
> upper 10 KHz of the signals on the P3.
>
> If I then fire them one at a time, everything works as expected, the
> transmit frequency is on the lower left edge for an up split.
>
> If I place them in a single macro, it fails, every time...
>
>
> 73's, and thanks,
> Dave
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Span settings

[Dave Cole]

Hello Tim and Gary,

I have done extensive testing in trying to get a macro to perform this
exact behavior...  

I do not believe "currently" there is a way to make this happen via
macro commands.  

If you perform the needed steps by hand, with lots of space between
commands, it works, if you then place the exact same commands in a
macro it fails.

I tested by placing each command below in its own macro key using the
P3 Macro tester software included with the P3 utility.  Here is an
example:

I have a DX station at 14.010, and I want to move 14.010 to the left
edge of the P3, showing the upper 5 KHz ra


Macro 1:
#SPN000100; 
Sets span to plus and minus 10 KHz.

Macro 2:
UP7;
Moves K3 up 5 KHz.

Macro 3:
#FXT1;  
Places the P3 in sticky mode, (Fixed Tune), locking the transmit
frequency to the center of the P3 screen.

Macro 4:
DN7;
Moves the K3 down 5, dragging the transmit freq down with it, and
putting the transmit freq on the left edge of the P3, exposing the
upper 10 KHz of the signals on the P3.

If I then fire them one at a time, everything works as expected, the
transmit frequency is on the lower left edge for an up split.

If I place them in a single macro, it fails, every time...


73's, and thanks,
Dave

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On Wed, 2016-02-17 at 12:30 -0600, Grant Youngman wrote:
> You could --
> 
> Tune up 1/2 of your span width (in your example up 2.5 kHz). Press
> "CENTER" on the P3. That would put your desired DX signal at the left
> edge of the display and the mayhem out to the right. 
> 
> I'm unaware of any way to do this directly in the current firmware. 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 17, 2016, at 12:04 PM, a45wg  wrote:
> > 
> > Fellow Hams,
> >    Having spent the last 2 days playing with the P3 (very
> > impressed) - and eventually figuring out how to get the Function
> > keys to do something (Not well explained in the Manual IMHO), I’ve
> > got some Macro’s working - So next job - in the P3 Display is there
> > any way only to get the P3 Read The “Positive side” of the Span.
> > 
> > Say we have a DX transmitting on 28.030 Mhz …. If I set a Span of
> > 2.5 Khz - I see in the P3 28.0275 to 28.0325 - a SPAN of 5Khz, +/-
> > 2.5 Khz …. I get that. Very useful for looking for DX in a wideband
> > mode.
> > 
> > Is there anyway I can only limit the span to be 28.030 - 28.0325
> > i.e. just the positive side of the span.
> > 
> > Despite some rather strange DX expedition splits recently (not
> > mentioning a CW split of +7.5 Khz) I do not think  any DX
> > expeditions are using negative splits (Please, please do not start)
> > 
> > Any advice/guidance would be greatly appreciated. I am sure I can
> > do this in a Software I/Q SDR process - but I am really only trying
> > to do this from the P3.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> >   Tim
> >  A45WG
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Span settings

[Grant Youngman]

You could --

Tune up 1/2 of your span width (in your example up 2.5 kHz). Press "CENTER" on 
the P3. That would put your desired DX signal at the left edge of the display 
and the mayhem out to the right. 

I'm unaware of any way to do this directly in the current firmware. 

Grant NQ5T

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2016, at 12:04 PM, a45wg  wrote:
> 
> Fellow Hams,
>Having spent the last 2 days playing with the P3 (very impressed) - 
> and eventually figuring out how to get the Function keys to do something (Not 
> well explained in the Manual IMHO), I’ve got some Macro’s working - So next 
> job - in the P3 Display is there any way only to get the P3 Read The 
> “Positive side” of the Span.
> 
> Say we have a DX transmitting on 28.030 Mhz …. If I set a Span of 2.5 Khz - I 
> see in the P3 28.0275 to 28.0325 - a SPAN of 5Khz, +/- 2.5 Khz …. I get that. 
> Very useful for looking for DX in a wideband mode.
> 
> Is there anyway I can only limit the span to be 28.030 - 28.0325 i.e. just 
> the positive side of the span.
> 
> Despite some rather strange DX expedition splits recently (not mentioning a 
> CW split of +7.5 Khz) I do not think  any DX expeditions are using negative 
> splits (Please, please do not start)
> 
> Any advice/guidance would be greatly appreciated. I am sure I can do this in 
> a Software I/Q SDR process - but I am really only trying to do this from the 
> P3.
> 
> Regards
> 
>   Tim
>  A45WG
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[Elecraft] P3 Span settings

[a45wg]

Fellow Hams,
Having spent the last 2 days playing with the P3 (very 
impressed) - and eventually figuring out how to get the Function keys to do 
something (Not well explained in the Manual IMHO), I’ve got some Macro’s 
working - So next job - in the P3 Display is there any way only to get the P3 
Read The “Positive side” of the Span.

Say we have a DX transmitting on 28.030 Mhz …. If I set a Span of 2.5 Khz - I 
see in the P3 28.0275 to 28.0325 - a SPAN of 5Khz, +/- 2.5 Khz …. I get that. 
Very useful for looking for DX in a wideband mode.

Is there anyway I can only limit the span to be 28.030 - 28.0325 i.e. just the 
positive side of the span.

Despite some rather strange DX expedition splits recently (not mentioning a CW 
split of +7.5 Khz) I do not think  any DX expeditions are using negative splits 
(Please, please do not start)

Any advice/guidance would be greatly appreciated. I am sure I can do this in a 
Software I/Q SDR process - but I am really only trying to do this from the P3.

Regards

   Tim
  A45WG

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON question

[Paul Saffren N6HZ]

Hi Barry, 

The P3TXMON can configured to trigger by sensing the forward RF power at the
coupler.  For K3 users, the P3TXMON uses internal communication with the
K3(S) .  

Kind regards, 

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[Elecraft] P3 TX MON question

[Barry N1EU]

Is the P3 TX MON usable with other radios besides the K3/K3s?  If so, how
does the monitor get triggered - does it automatically sense RF and switch
to TX MON?  Are there any P3 menu settings that need to be made to allow
this to work?

Thanks & 73,
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[Elecraft] P3 TxMon - SWR readings adrift

[ANDY NEHAN]

Hi guys, I have just received the P3 TX Mon (easy to install and get working). 
I also have an LP-100A which is in series right next to the monitoring head of 
the P3 monitor. The KPA500 and the KAT500 both indicate an SWR of between  1 
and 1.2 and the LP100A indicates an SWR of 1.05 into my 500watt 1.3GHz 50 ohm 
dummy load. However the P3 TX mon says SWR of 1.67. Now it is not a cabling 
issue as it does not matter which way round the monitor heads are (the LP100A 
head either before or after the P3 Mon head) the results are the same.
My question is why the big difference - I had every expectation that the P3Mon 
would say something very close to that shown by the LP100A, the KAT500 and the 
KPA500.
Any ideas as to what is going on. BTW my P3 firmware is uptodate.
Andy G4HUE
K3 serial 6990
P3 serial 2493
KAT serial 1245
KPA500 serial 2102
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[Elecraft] p3 keyboard for psk31 g0cut Keith

[KEITH WESTBURY]

my first attempt to programme the p3,s keyboard went ok, well maybe,

After reconsidering a better way to configure the keyboard I seem to be unable
to reset all the command keys to start again.

does anyone know the sequence of commands to reset the command macros and start
again to allocate the macro keys.

The built in help in the p3 fails to list this.

many thanks for any help.


Keith g0cut
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Richard Fjeld]

Is there a link to some photos where I can see what this looks like?  I 
did not know about the SWR/PWR indication.


As for the envelope display, I would expect it to be good enough to 
indicate trouble or not.  Years back, I ran a Heath SB-610 which saved 
my finals one time.
The rig went into self  oscillation during transmit and I wouldn't have 
known until too late.


Dick, n0ce

On 2/3/2016 10:50 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

My opinion is that the P3 envelope display isn’t a match for a scope, and 
probably wasn’t intended to be.  I do like having the SWR/PWR indication on the 
P3 display, though.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

Missed that.  Guess it pays to RTFM :-)

Thanks … 
Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


> 
> 
> The sweep width is adjusted in the "ModScale" menu entry.  (Admittedly not a 
> very intuitive name. :=)
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Tom Crayner]

Sure. Try:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx3ZeI3FlHk

Tom, W2YF


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Barry N1EU  wrote:

> Do you have a link to a youtube video showing a phone waveform?  The only
> video I come up with is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHugxEpj6bg with
> NB3R showing only a cw waveform.  That's why I posted my question in the
> first place, because I've never seen a phone waveform.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Alan]

The modulation monitor is like an oscilloscope in that it triggers on 
the rising edge of the modulation.  So the display is not quite 
continuous - after every sweep it waits for the next positive transition 
before starting the next sweep.


This is especially useful in CW mode so that the rising edge is stable 
on successive sweeps.  The P3 has a unique split-display feature where 
it can show both the rising edge and the falling edge at the same time, 
even when sending slowly.


> ...  and there are no sweep width/rate adjustments.

The sweep width is adjusted in the "ModScale" menu entry.  (Admittedly 
not a very intuitive name. :=)


Alan N1AL



On 02/03/2016 08:50 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

The envelope display is not a “snapshot”, but it isn’t quite real
time either.  Close, but if you’re used to using a scope for
monitoring, you won’t call it “live”.  Also, the vertical height of
the display is always normalized to the peak RF signal and there are
no sweep width/rate adjustments.

I have not experimented with the CW display modes to see how useful
they are.

My opinion is that the P3 envelope display isn’t a match for a scope,
and probably wasn’t intended to be.  I do like having the SWR/PWR
indication on the P3 display, though.

Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342





On Feb 3, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Don Wilhelm 
wrote:

Barry,

I don't have one, but I have seen them in use.  The envelope
display looks like what I see on my analog 'scope. It may be
digital, but the refresh rate is fast enough you will not be able
to differentiate it from an analog display.

73, Don W3FPR

On 2/3/2016 8:26 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:

Can someone with the P3 TX MON please describe the envelope
display in ssb/am modes?  Does it work like a real time
oscilloscope (dynamic) with changing display as you speak or does
it take static snapshots of the RF envelope?  If static, how
often does it update those snapshots?





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Tom Crayner]

Out on youtube if you search for "P3 TXMON" you'll find a couple of short
(1 min video) of an operator showing a SSB and CW envelope on a P3 with the
TXMON option installed.

Tom, W2YF


>>>
>>> On 2/3/2016 8:26 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>>>
 Can someone with the P3 TX MON please describe the envelope
 display in ssb/am modes?  Does it work like a real time
 oscilloscope (dynamic) with changing display as you speak or does
 it take static snapshots of the RF envelope?  If static, how
 often does it update those snapshots?


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Barry N1EU]

Do you have a link to a youtube video showing a phone waveform?  The only
video I come up with is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHugxEpj6bg with
NB3R showing only a cw waveform.  That's why I posted my question in the
first place, because I've never seen a phone waveform.

Barry N1EU

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Tom Crayner  wrote:

> Out on youtube if you search for "P3 TXMON" you'll find a couple of short
> (1 min video) of an operator showing a SSB and CW envelope on a P3 with the
> TXMON option installed.
>
> Tom, W2YF
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>
> >>>
> >>> On 2/3/2016 8:26 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
> >>>
>  Can someone with the P3 TX MON please describe the envelope
>  display in ssb/am modes?  Does it work like a real time
>  oscilloscope (dynamic) with changing display as you speak or does
>  it take static snapshots of the RF envelope?  If static, how
>  often does it update those snapshots?
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Don Wilhelm]

Barry,

I don't have one, but I have seen them in use.  The envelope display 
looks like what I see on my analog 'scope.
It may be digital, but the refresh rate is fast enough you will not be 
able to differentiate it from an analog display.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/3/2016 8:26 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:

Can someone with the P3 TX MON please describe the envelope display in
ssb/am modes?  Does it work like a real time oscilloscope (dynamic) with
changing display as you speak or does it take static snapshots of the RF
envelope?  If static, how often does it update those snapshots?



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Barry N1EU]

Thanks Tom!  That's just what I was looking for.

73, Barry N1EU

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Tom Crayner  wrote:

> Sure. Try:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx3ZeI3FlHk
>
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>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:01 PM, Barry N1EU  wrote:
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> > Do you have a link to a youtube video showing a phone waveform?  The only
> > video I come up with is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHugxEpj6bg with
> > NB3R showing only a cw waveform.  That's why I posted my question in the
> > first place, because I've never seen a phone waveform.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[GRANT YOUNGMAN]

The envelope display is not a “snapshot”, but it isn’t quite real time either.  
Close, but if you’re used to using a scope for monitoring, you won’t call it 
“live”.  Also, the vertical height of the display is always normalized to the 
peak RF signal and there are no sweep width/rate adjustments.

I have not experimented with the CW display modes to see how useful they are.

My opinion is that the P3 envelope display isn’t a match for a scope, and 
probably wasn’t intended to be.  I do like having the SWR/PWR indication on the 
P3 display, though.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




> On Feb 3, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:
> 
> Barry,
> 
> I don't have one, but I have seen them in use.  The envelope display looks 
> like what I see on my analog 'scope.
> It may be digital, but the refresh rate is fast enough you will not be able 
> to differentiate it from an analog display.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 2/3/2016 8:26 AM, Barry N1EU wrote:
>> Can someone with the P3 TX MON please describe the envelope display in
>> ssb/am modes?  Does it work like a real time oscilloscope (dynamic) with
>> changing display as you speak or does it take static snapshots of the RF
>> envelope?  If static, how often does it update those snapshots?
>> 
> 

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[Elecraft] P3 TX MON envelope display

[Barry N1EU]

Can someone with the P3 TX MON please describe the envelope display in
ssb/am modes?  Does it work like a real time oscilloscope (dynamic) with
changing display as you speak or does it take static snapshots of the RF
envelope?  If static, how often does it update those snapshots?

Thanks & 73,
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution

[Ken Widelitz]

Hi Paul,

 

My experience with the P3 SVGA is that the Genovation USB keypad will not
work unless data mode is on. 

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution

[Paul Saffren]

Hi Ken,

Yes, the USB keyboard is not active when not in data display mode. I 
realize that folks are using the Genovation  keypad as means of 
executing macros to control the K3 (and soon the P3), however the USB 
keyboard port was designed for data.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working

[Paul Saffren N6HZ]

Hi Ken, 

I am not familiar with the USB switch but if it is electronic and not
mechanical there could be an issue since the SVGA USB port is limited as to
what it can support.  For example it does not support a hub or really
anything except a USB thumb drive and/or keyboard.  

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution

[Paul Saffren N6HZ]

Hi Ken, 

I don't understand what you mean by 'toggle a USB device'.  The P3/SVGA
board will enumerate a USB keyboard or thumb drive even if the SVGA en is
turned off (the display is turned off) OR data display mode is turned off. 
I just checked.You can verify that by opening up the P3 and looking on
the SVGA card.  Whenever a USB device is correctly enumerated, the LED
toward the connector will light solid. 

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[Elecraft] P3 - SVGA USB Serendipitous Solution

[Ken Widelitz]

It seems that if you toggle a USB device on the P3, it loses its knowledge
of the USB device and doesn't recognize the device when it is toggled back
UNLESS the SVGA is in data display mode. IMHO this is a firmware bug.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working

[Dave Cole]

I too am looking forward to the next release of P3 software, and hoping
it contains the changes which allow P3 macros to be sent to the P3, via
the P3 USB port.
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> I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file
> was saved
> to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my
> other
> P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't
> have the
> cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB
> devices
> before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any
> event, I am
> a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used
> with
> the next firmware release.
> 
>  
> 
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
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[Elecraft] P3 Save SVGA state via USB

[Ken Widelitz]

I have entered a number of macros and got them working with the Genovation
keyboard per Dave, NK7Z's tutorial. I want to move them to my 2nd P3. I've
used two USB thumb drives. I select the SVGA Usav, press the select know,
the screen shows saving to USB drive, but no file appears on the drive. I
also have a USB switch to move the Genovation keyboard to the 2nd P3. That
appears not to work either. Connecting the Genovation directly to the USB
port does work. I see in the manual a note that with regard to USB drives,
"some will not work."

 

One peculiar result of unplugging the USB drive is the SVGA display becomes
upside down. That is, the "grass" comes from the top of the screen down and
the waterfall is almost solid. Cycling the power fixes that problem.

 

Has anyone discovered a particular brand of USB thumb drive that does work?
Any thoughts on why the USB switch doesn't work?

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

 

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[Elecraft] P3 - SVGA Save/Restore State via USB Working

[Ken Widelitz]

I have no idea why it didn't work before, but the SVGASET.SAV file was saved
to the USB Thumb Drive about the 10th time I tried. It restored to my other
P3 perfectly and now the USB switch is working also. Maybe I didn't have the
cables plugged in all the way, although the P3 recognized the USB devices
before and the USB switch LED indicators came on before. In any event, I am
a happy camper and will be even happier when P3 commands can be used with
the next firmware release.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Paul Saffren N6HZ]

Hi David, 

Fred Cady is correct, the next version of P3 firmware will allow P3/SVGA USB
keyboard macros to include P3 commands.   It will also allow the first 8
P3/SVGA keyboard macros to be mapped to front panel function keys.

Kind regards, 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Dave Cole]

Thank you sir!!!

On Mon, 2016-01-25 at 10:29 -0700, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:
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> 
> Fred Cady is correct, the next version of P3 firmware will allow
> P3/SVGA USB
> keyboard macros to include P3 commands.   It will also allow the
> first 8
> P3/SVGA keyboard macros to be mapped to front panel function keys.
> 
> Kind regards, 
> 
> Paul
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Dave Cole]

I just heard from Genovation-- the 24 Key software for the CP24 pad is
finished, and I will be testing it shortly.  As soon as it is tested,
it will be available for download.  

That will put both the CP48, and the CP24 Genovation keypads as being
able to send macros to the K3, via the P3, and soon the P3 as well,
thanks to a change Elecraft is going to put in place next release..  

With Elecraft adding the abilty to trigger P3 macros in the next
release of software having a single button macro which can create a
split +5 KHz, move VFO A to the left side of the P3 screen, and set the
SPAN width to match the split width, are possible...

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Wes (N7WS)]

Ideally, the guys at Elecraft will make it so we don't need a P3 to do this.


On 1/25/2016 3:51 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

I just heard from Genovation-- the 24 Key software for the CP24 pad is
finished, and I will be testing it shortly.  As soon as it is tested,
it will be available for download.

That will put both the CP48, and the CP24 Genovation keypads as being
able to send macros to the K3, via the P3, and soon the P3 as well,
thanks to a change Elecraft is going to put in place next release..

With Elecraft adding the abilty to trigger P3 macros in the next
release of software having a single button macro which can create a
split +5 KHz, move VFO A to the left side of the P3 screen, and set the
SPAN width to match the split width, are possible...

Can't wait for the release of the new P3 software...
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Just wondering what the programming method is and if it is possible from a Mac?
73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)

> On 25 Jan 2016, at 22:51, Dave Cole  wrote:
> 
> I just heard from Genovation-- the 24 Key software for the CP24 pad is
> finished, and I will be testing it shortly.  As soon as it is tested,
> it will be available for download.  
> 
> That will put both the CP48, and the CP24 Genovation keypads as being
> able to send macros to the K3, via the P3, and soon the P3 as well,
> thanks to a change Elecraft is going to put in place next release..  
> 
> With Elecraft adding the abilty to trigger P3 macros in the next
> release of software having a single button macro which can create a
> split +5 KHz, move VFO A to the left side of the P3 screen, and set the
> SPAN width to match the split width, are possible...
> 
> Can't wait for the release of the new P3 software...

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Bill]

The Pigknob goes direct to the K3 (serial port) and uses the programming 
from the reference. Great gadget: 2-speed VFO and eight buttons you can 
tell to do whatever you need. No need for K3 modifications. Been using 
mine for a couple of years.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Mike Flowers]

I second that, Bill!!  Had mine about a year and it is a powerful accessory
for my K3.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, President - NCDXC 


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The Pigknob goes direct to the K3 (serial port) and uses the programming
from the reference. Great gadget: 2-speed VFO and eight buttons you can tell
to do whatever you need. No need for K3 modifications. Been using mine for a
couple of years.

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[Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[David Cole]

Hello group mind,

I have a P3 control question for you all...

It appears to me, that the P3 does not accept macros for itself, via the
trigger launch process which fires off macros to the K3.

Is this assumption on my part correct?

If so, is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?

In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Cady, Fred]

That's right, Dave.  I'll bet a nickle that a P3 firmware update will allow 
that in the future because you can do that with the PX3.
Cheers,
Fred KE7X

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From: Elecraft <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Cole 
<d...@nk7z.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:14 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

Hello group mind,

I have a P3 control question for you all...

It appears to me, that the P3 does not accept macros for itself, via the
trigger launch process which fires off macros to the K3.

Is this assumption on my part correct?

If so, is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?

In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Fixed/Tracking Toggle Broken

[Cady, Fred]

Hi Ken,
I don't know if you have solved this yet but it sounds like the rs232 link 
between the K3(S) and the P3 is not there.  The P3 defaults to Tracking (Fixed 
VFO - Tuned Spectrum) mode in that case.  If you are using the KIO3B, make sure 
the RJ45 is plugged in securely with a definite snap when it is.
Cheers,
Fred KE7x

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<widel...@gte.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:10 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Fixed/Tracking Toggle Broken

I switched my K3 to split to see the VP8STI pile-up. Now I am stuck in
tracking mode. I go into menu/FixTrack and when I click to toggle, nothing
happens, even after exiting split mode. I've turned the K3/P3 off to no
avail.



73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[Bill Frantz]

With this facility, I would consider using a micro controller to implement two 
functions:

  P3 for split mode: Read VFOs A and B. Set center and span so A
  and B VFOs are on opposite sides of the display. To use, tune
  in the DX on A and put B just above the pileup. Press the
  button.

  P3 for band scanning: Band edge aware setup for fixed spans,
  e.g. 50KHz, 100KHz 200KHz. Read VFO A. Set span to the fixed
  span. Set the center so the VFO is near the center of the
  display and the lower edge is a multiple of half the span above
  the bottom edge of the band.
  
73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/24/16 at 9:14 AM, d...@nk7z.net (David Cole) wrote:

> ... is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
> the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?
> 
> In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
> using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[David Cole]

I sure hope Elecraft follows suit with the in the P3 as well then!!!
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On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 17:33 +, Cady, Fred wrote:
> That's right, Dave.  I'll bet a nickle that a P3 firmware update will allow 
> that in the future because you can do that with the PX3.
> Cheers,
> Fred KE7X
> 
> For  all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Elecraft <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of David Cole 
> <d...@nk7z.net>
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2016 10:14 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question
> 
> Hello group mind,
> 
> I have a P3 control question for you all...
> 
> It appears to me, that the P3 does not accept macros for itself, via the
> trigger launch process which fires off macros to the K3.
> 
> Is this assumption on my part correct?
> 
> If so, is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
> the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?
> 
> In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
> using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?
> 
> 
> --
> Thanks and 73's,
> For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
> www.nk7z.net
> 
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Macro question

[David Cole]

That is exactly what I am attempting to do here, Hence my question as to
why I am unable to get the P3 to take a macro via the USB port...  I
want it on the Genovation keypad, not the P3 case.
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On Sun, 2016-01-24 at 10:21 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote:
> With this facility, I would consider using a micro controller to implement 
> two functions:
> 
>   P3 for split mode: Read VFOs A and B. Set center and span so A
>   and B VFOs are on opposite sides of the display. To use, tune
>   in the DX on A and put B just above the pileup. Press the
>   button.
> 
>   P3 for band scanning: Band edge aware setup for fixed spans,
>   e.g. 50KHz, 100KHz 200KHz. Read VFO A. Set span to the fixed
>   span. Set the center so the VFO is near the center of the
>   display and the lower edge is a multiple of half the span above
>   the bottom edge of the band.
>   
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> On 1/24/16 at 9:14 AM, d...@nk7z.net (David Cole) wrote:
> 
> > ... is there a way to trigger the P3 to accept a macro designed for
> > the P3 itself, using the rear USB connector on the P3?
> > 
> > In essence, I want to be able to control the P3 via it's own macro set
> > using the USB connector in the rear of the P3 itself.  Is this possible?
> 
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[Elecraft] P3 Fixed/Tracking Toggle Broken

[Ken Widelitz]

I switched my K3 to split to see the VP8STI pile-up. Now I am stuck in
tracking mode. I go into menu/FixTrack and when I click to toggle, nothing
happens, even after exiting split mode. I've turned the K3/P3 off to no
avail.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

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[Elecraft] P3/SVGA help..

[Zbigniew Tyrlik]

just received used SVGA board. 

Installed following the manual. 

Nothing on external display. 
tried 2 cables, 2 monitors. 

Upgraded firmware on P3  to current 01.54, svga is on 01.25;  all SVGA menu 
options are accessible… but nothing on external display. 

Opened top of P3,  the cable is aligned properly, red LED on SVGA board is 
blinking. 


Totally lost.. 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3/SVGA help..

[Paul Saffren N6HZ]

There are LEDs on the P3 front panel and on the SVGA board, both should be
blinking.  If you plug a keyboard or USB thumbdrive into the SVGA board, you
should see another LED light up on the SVGA board. 

The next thing to try is a parameter reset on the P3.  Do that holding down
the MENU key and then tapping the POWER key.  This will reinitialize any
settings so you may first want to save the P3 configuration using the P3
Utility.  

Next check the revisions of the all the FPGA files located on the SVGA
board.  You mentioned that you upgraded the firmware, but maybe one of these
files could be corrupted (they control the video chip).  Rotate the encoder
to the SVGA sub-menu and then enter it.  Rotate the encoder to select SVGA
FW and select using a push of the encoder.  You should see 1.04 in FPGA 0 to
FPGA 4.  

If none of that works, email me directly at Elecraft.  My email address is
pauls at you know where dot com. 

Kind regards, 

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[Elecraft] P3 TX MON with AM?

[Barry N1EU]

Is anybody using the P3 TX MON to monitor modulation waveform with AM
transmission?  I'd appreciate comments on how effective a tool it is.

I've only seen one video on youtube of a cw xmsn, and it appeared that the
P3 captured a transmit waveform and displayed it (like a storage
oscilloscope).  I'm wondering how dynamic the xmit waveform display is in
cw, AM and SSB.

Thanks & 73,
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[Elecraft] P3 span per band?

[Jim Miller]

It would be nice if the P3 would remember the Span setting on a per band
basis.

Have I missed a setting?

jim ab3cv
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span per band?

[Mike K2MK]

Hi Jim,

Mine does. Are you seeing your K3 frequency on the P3 display?

73,
Mike K2MK


Jim AB3CV wrote
> It would be nice if the P3 would remember the Span setting on a per band
> basis.
> 
> Have I missed a setting?
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 span per band?

[Jim Miller]

My bad. It does show span per band.

Need sleep...

73

jim ab3cv

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Jim Miller  wrote:

> It would be nice if the P3 would remember the Span setting on a per band
> basis.
>
> Have I missed a setting?
>
> jim ab3cv
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[Elecraft] P3 SVGA adapter is sold

[Jim Spears]

The subject line says it all.

 

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[Elecraft] P3 USB Port

[Mike VE3YF]

HNY to everyone.

Though I have had my P3 for quite some time, I had a wireless Keyboard hooked 
up to it. I would also like to hook up a USB Stick (Thumbdrive) to the same 
port for saving images of the Screen (Screenshots). The manual states that a 
USB Hub will not work with the P3, but will a USB Y Cable work or is that also 
considered a USB Hub.

Perhaps someone has 2 devices hooked up to the P3 that can shed some insight. 
Tnx.


73 De Mike
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 USB Port

[Jim Sheldon]

Don's right, a hub will not work.  It is a very minimum implementation 
of a USB port and not expandable due to hardware limitations in the way 
they originally did things.  My work around was to find a multi-port, 
mechanical USB switch.  That way all you have to do is switch to 
whichever device you want attached, the Keyboard or USB Stick.  A mouse 
will not work though, at least as things stand now.


Jim - W0EB

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 USB Port


Mike,

I don't think that connector on the P3SVGA is a full USB port, it is a 
connector for a USB keyboard.


You can plug your Thumbdrive into your computer and use P3 Utility to 
do download a bitmap image of the P3 screen and save it to a file on 
your Thumbdrive (or anywhere else on your computer).  See page 21 of 
the P3 manual.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2016 9:23 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:

HNY to everyone.

Though I have had my P3 for quite some time, I had a wireless Keyboard 
hooked up to it. I would also like to hook up a USB Stick (Thumbdrive) 
to the same port for saving images of the Screen (Screenshots). The 
manual states that a USB Hub will not work with the P3, but will a USB 
Y Cable work or is that also considered a USB Hub.





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 USB Port

[Don Wilhelm]

Mike,

I don't think that connector on the P3SVGA is a full USB port, it is a 
connector for a USB keyboard.


You can plug your Thumbdrive into your computer and use P3 Utility to do 
download a bitmap image of the P3 screen and save it to a file on your 
Thumbdrive (or anywhere else on your computer).  See page 21 of the P3 
manual.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/4/2016 9:23 AM, Mike VE3YF wrote:

HNY to everyone.

Though I have had my P3 for quite some time, I had a wireless Keyboard hooked 
up to it. I would also like to hook up a USB Stick (Thumbdrive) to the same 
port for saving images of the Screen (Screenshots). The manual states that a 
USB Hub will not work with the P3, but will a USB Y Cable work or is that also 
considered a USB Hub.




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[Elecraft] P3 and bands

[Bill Frantz]

Since people are coming up with work for Elecraft engineers, I 
thought I'd pile on too. :-)


I normally operate my P3 in fix tune mode with relatively wide 
span settings of 100KHz or so. When I work in a pileup, I narrow 
the span to just cover the pileup (and DX). After I finish, I 
use a fn button to return to my normal span. The P3 keeps the 
same center frequency and widens the span, regardless if the new 
span includes frequencies outside the amateur band I'm working.


As I almost never want to see what is happening outside the 
amateur bands, it would be nice if switching to a wider span 
would keep the entire span within the current band. For example, 
I am trying to work a DX and end up with a center of 14.021 and 
a span of 8KHz. When I finish and press the "Span 100" fn key, I 
end up with a frequency range of 13.973 to 14.073, when I would 
like 14.000 to 14.100.


My suggestions are:

  For switching to a new band: Keep the old span and center.

  For setting span with the knob: Do not extend the top or 
bottom outside the band until the span exceeds the width of the band.


  For setting span with a fn key: Do not extend the top or 
botton outside the band unless the span is wider than the band.


  For setting the center: Allow the span to extend outside the band.


These suggestions would help a lot with 17M and 12M, where the 
band edges aren't on 100KHz boundaries.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Power Measurement Anomaly

[Mike VE3YF]

Ken:

For what it's worth, I have noticed the same for years on my PowerMaster Meters 
that there is a bit of power drop when going thru BPF's.

In my case I use Dunestar 600's and I can see as much as 10w drop on the output 
of the BPF when the BPF is on and maybe a watt or so when the BPF is off. I 
always looked at it as this is normal. While it may be an anomaly, I wouldn't 
really loose any sleep as you still can drive the amp to full power.

I am not so sure that the Alpha Metering circuit LED's are all that accurate to 
measure the slight changes in Power In and Power Out.


73 De Mike
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[Elecraft] P3 signals disappearing

[Gary Smith]

I use the SVGA with my P3, my eyes just don't see well enough to see 
the screen on the P3. Something I have become more aware of lately is 
I'll see a faint signal on the monitor and when I when I jump to it 
with a click using marker A, there is no signal underneath the marker 
any more. I usually operate CW and the P3 is usually set at a 1-3KHz 
span.

For all the world it looks just like a very weak signal, the kind I 
look for the most on the air but since it disappears from under the 
marker when the button is tapped and nothing is heard when looking 
for a signal, it has to be an artefact. If it remained and was not a 
station but some RFI, I'd understand but since it disappears, it's 
got to be an artefact generated in the system.

Not sure if this is what I've read as ghosting but it's sure a good 
definition to describe it. ;)

Ideas?

73,

Gary
KA1J
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Power Measurement Anomaly

[Fred Jensen]

"> Does anyone have a good explanation for this?"

I don't know if this is a "good" explanation, but it is one that is 
sometimes [often?] true:


Many TX Power sensors actually measure voltage, it's a whole lot easier 
than power.  The meter or display is marked in watts which are computed 
by the designer from E^2/Z.  Z is assumed to be constant, usually 50+j0 
ohms.  That's rarely the case in reality.


Moving the sensor up and down the equipment-coax chain will subject it 
to slightly different values of Z, ergo E^2/Z changes.


73,

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On 12/28/2015 4:50 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:

I am having an anomaly with the TX Mon power measurements on my P3s. The
power varies significantly depending upon where I put the TX sensor in the
RF chain (K3 -> BPF -> Alpha 87A -> Coax Stubs -> Tuner -> Antenna Coax.) I
have a 3" coax jumper on the appropriate end of the P3's TX sensor. I get
similar results on both of my radios connecting the TX sensor in the same
place in the RF chain. For instance, on 20 meters, with the K3 set to full
power and the Alpha 87A in standby, the P3TX Mon displayed power is as
follows:



TX Mon LocationWatts

@K3 RF Out 106 -> 6' coax ->

@ BPF Input 101 That is a 5 watt measured
decrease in a 6' piece of RG-213.

@BPF Output  92   That is a 9 watt measured decrease
through an Array Solutions W3NQN design BPF. -> 6' coax ->

@Alpha 87A RF Out  86   That is a 6 watt measured decrease in a
6' piece of RG-213 and through an Alpha 87A in standby.



The Alpha 87A RF Output LEDs show just over 100 watts (the 4th LED
flickers.) That indicates to me the TX Mon power displayed is incorrect.
When the Alpha 87A shows full output (all green LEDs lit) the TX Mon reads
1329 watts. That is a 13+% difference. I don't have any other power meter as
a reference.



I have measured both coax jumpers and the BPF individually using an AIM 4170
and a 50 ohm load. The SWR is flat at virtually 1:1 for each. The SWR
displayed on the P3 is almost the same when measured at the K3 (1.53:1) and
on the AIM 4170 at the end of the coax to the antenna (1.48:1.)



Does anyone have a good explanation for this? I know there is a calibration
method for the TX Mon, but I that doesn't explain the measured power drop in
the RF chain with the amp in standby.



73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Power Measurement Anomaly

[Ken Widelitz]

Hi Mark,

 

Thank you for a cogent explanation. Clearly, I never thought about the math
nor realized how much those little losses add up.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Power Measurement Anomaly

[Mark Goldberg]

I certainly understand the concern though. Personally, I have replaced
UHF connectors with N connectors where I can, use nothing worse than
RG214 or LMR400 for interconnects at my station, and have the
interconnects as short as possible. I built many cables with exactly
the connectors and lengths needed so I avoid adapters. Everything
helps.

For field day I have a piece of 1 1/4 Heliax with N connectors to go
from inside the tent to the balun outside the tent, but I admit that
is just overdoing it!

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Ken Widelitz  wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
>
>
> Thank you for a cogent explanation. Clearly, I never thought about the math
> nor realized how much those little losses add up.
>
>
>
> 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Power Measurement Anomaly

[Jim Brown]

On Mon,12/28/2015 6:40 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:

  I have replaced
UHF connectors with N connectors where I can, use nothing worse than
RG214 or LMR400 for interconnects at my station, and have the
interconnects as short as possible. I built many cables with exactly
the connectors and lengths needed so I avoid adapters.


All of this is good EXCEPT that N connectors are NOT superior to good 
quality UHF connectors (Amphenol 83-1SP) for use on the HF bands. Yes, 
N-connectors are 50 ohm connectors, while UHF connectors are a bit off 
of that, but it simply does not matter below 50 MHz, and it matters very 
little below 200 MHz.


73, Jim K9YC

73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] P3 TX Mon Power Measurement Anomaly

[Ken Widelitz]

I am having an anomaly with the TX Mon power measurements on my P3s. The
power varies significantly depending upon where I put the TX sensor in the
RF chain (K3 -> BPF -> Alpha 87A -> Coax Stubs -> Tuner -> Antenna Coax.) I
have a 3" coax jumper on the appropriate end of the P3's TX sensor. I get
similar results on both of my radios connecting the TX sensor in the same
place in the RF chain. For instance, on 20 meters, with the K3 set to full
power and the Alpha 87A in standby, the P3TX Mon displayed power is as
follows:

 

TX Mon LocationWatts 

@K3 RF Out 106 -> 6' coax ->

@ BPF Input 101 That is a 5 watt measured
decrease in a 6' piece of RG-213.

@BPF Output  92   That is a 9 watt measured decrease
through an Array Solutions W3NQN design BPF. -> 6' coax -> 

@Alpha 87A RF Out  86   That is a 6 watt measured decrease in a
6' piece of RG-213 and through an Alpha 87A in standby.

 

The Alpha 87A RF Output LEDs show just over 100 watts (the 4th LED
flickers.) That indicates to me the TX Mon power displayed is incorrect.
When the Alpha 87A shows full output (all green LEDs lit) the TX Mon reads
1329 watts. That is a 13+% difference. I don't have any other power meter as
a reference.

 

I have measured both coax jumpers and the BPF individually using an AIM 4170
and a 50 ohm load. The SWR is flat at virtually 1:1 for each. The SWR
displayed on the P3 is almost the same when measured at the K3 (1.53:1) and
on the AIM 4170 at the end of the coax to the antenna (1.48:1.)

 

Does anyone have a good explanation for this? I know there is a calibration
method for the TX Mon, but I that doesn't explain the measured power drop in
the RF chain with the amp in standby.

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Elecraft] P3 Config Question answered

[Ferris Jennings]

Thanks Don -
I made the change on all bands, and now the P3 displays the same on all
bands.
73
-Ferris NB6T-

-Original Message-
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 3:15 PM
To: Ferris Jennings; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Config Question

Ferris,

Many settings are per band - because what works fine on one band does not
work well for all bands.  There are other settings that are global.
I believe those settings you have cited are per band.  Set them for the
optimum on each band.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 12/26/2015 6:03 PM, Ferris Jennings wrote:
> Hi again -
>
>   
>
> I'm configuring my new P3, and have one big question: is there a way 
> to make "global changes".
>
>   
>
> To expand:
>
> . I set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a Ref Lvl
> from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 20 khz, and apply that all to FN1
>
> . I then set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a
Ref
> Lvl from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 100 khz, and apply that all to 
> FN2
>
>   
>
> That all works perfectly, and toggles between FN1 and FN2 is great.
>
>   
>
>


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Alan]

To have waterfall enabled on the external display and off on the 
internal display, or vice versa, requires three things:


- P3 firmware 1.50 or later

- The "SVGA WfEn" menu entry set to either "Waterfall on" or "Waterfall 
off" as desired.


- Toggling the DISPLAY key on the P3 to turn on/off the waterfall.

Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Steve Ellington]

No

On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 10:03 PM, Alan  wrote:

> On 12/26/2015 06:23 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
>
>> The bottom of page 30 of the P3 manual shows a photo with the waterfall
>> What I would like to
>> accomplish is have the waterfall on the SVGA monitor, but not on the P3
>> display. Is that possible?
>>
>
> Yes, just use the P3's DISPLAY button to toggle the waterfall on/off on
> the main display.
>
> Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Nr4c]

That I'll buy. I knew it was more than tapping the Display button. 

Sent from my iPhone
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> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:38 AM, Alan  wrote:
> 
> To have waterfall enabled on the external display and off on the internal 
> display, or vice versa, requires three things:
> 
> - P3 firmware 1.50 or later
> 
> - The "SVGA WfEn" menu entry set to either "Waterfall on" or "Waterfall off" 
> as desired.
> 
> - Toggling the DISPLAY key on the P3 to turn on/off the waterfall.
> 
> Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Cady, Fred]

Hi all,
The SVGA WfEn toggles the SVGA waterfall on and or or tracks the P3's main 
display.  So you can set it on and the turn the P3 on and off independently.  
That's how I have mine set up.
Cheers and 73,
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From: Elecraft <elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Alan 
<n...@sonic.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 9:52 PM
To: Nr4c
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

Make sure you have a recent P3 firmware version (1.50 or later).

Alan N1AL


On 12/26/2015 08:34 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> It more to it than that. I tried it and both screens change together.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Dec 26, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Alan <n...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/26/2015 06:23 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
>>> The bottom of page 30 of the P3 manual shows a photo with the waterfall
>>> What I would like to
>>> accomplish is have the waterfall on the SVGA monitor, but not on the P3
>>> display. Is that possible?
>>
>> Yes, just use the P3's DISPLAY button to toggle the waterfall on/off on the 
>> main display.
>>
>> Alan N1AL
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[Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Ken Widelitz]

The bottom of page 30 of the P3 manual shows a photo with the waterfall
completely off on the P3 with the TX Mon option. The text immediately above
that photo states "Note that in this illustration the waterfall display is
turned off so the spectrum display and the waveform display fill the main
part of the screen."

 

I see the menu item under SVGA where I can turn the waterfall on or off. I
don't see that option for just the P3 display. What I would like to
accomplish is have the waterfall on the SVGA monitor, but not on the P3
display. Is that possible?

 

73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT

 

 

 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Config Question

[Fred Jensen]

Short answer" No.  That said, you really want the long answer :-)

A great number of the P3 settings, like a K3, are on a per band basis. 
Change the band, and it remembers the settings for that band.  In the 
P3, much of this is because what works best on one band may not work all 
that well on another.


The 8 programmable function keys aren't enough for a selection of 
various options [like 2 SPAN's] and other parameters for each band. 
Everyone runs it different:  For me, globally:


Always fixed-tune mode
Full-screen shift
Spectrum Avg = max
WF mode = monochrome
WF Avg = min
FN1 = 200 KHz span
FN2 = 100 KHz span
FN3 = 25 KHz span
FN4 = 4 KHz span
Amplitude scale = dBm

I've still got 4 unused FN keys. :-)

I use full-screen shift [the whole next span when I tune off either end]

I use monochrome WF because I don't have any color vision, however 
several guest ops whose color vision is normal note that they can spot 
weaker signals in mono than they can with the color display.  I'd 
recommend you try both.


REF LVL:  The reference level will change from band to band and from 
time to time on the same band.  It is a reflection of reality ... that's 
what is really happening on the band, baseline noise [and noise 
characteristics for that matter] change with time, and we normally like 
the noise at the baseline.


Monitoring signals on the bands, the spectrum amplitude will NOT reflect 
the S-Meter.  You can calibrate it with a signal generator of course, 
but with max averaging in the spectrum, it won't directly, 
quantitatively follow the S-Meter.  That too is normal.


I bought my P3 as a toy never guessing that it would end up being what I 
look at while operating.


73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 12/26/2015 3:03 PM, Ferris Jennings wrote:


I'm configuring my new P3, and have one big question: is there a way to make
"global changes".



To expand:

. I set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a Ref Lvl
from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 20 khz, and apply that all to FN1

. I then set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a Ref
Lvl from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 100 khz, and apply that all to FN2



That all works perfectly, and toggles between FN1 and FN2 is great.



But, when I go to any other band:

. FN1 and FN2 toggle correctly between 20 khz and 100 khz, the
screen still displays S units; and the Average remains at 5.

. But, on all bands except 20, where I configured the P3 , Ref Lvl
is way off, with S5 displayed at the bottom with +30 at the top of the
screen.



Desired State: What I would like is for the P3 display to appear the same on
all bands. So, is there a way to apply configuration changes globally to all
bands, or do I have to manually set Ref Lvl on each band?



Thanks

-Ferris NB6T-


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[Elecraft] P3 Config Question

[Ferris Jennings]

Hi again -

 

I'm configuring my new P3, and have one big question: is there a way to make
"global changes".

 

To expand:

. I set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a Ref Lvl
from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 20 khz, and apply that all to FN1

. I then set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a Ref
Lvl from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 100 khz, and apply that all to FN2

 

That all works perfectly, and toggles between FN1 and FN2 is great.

 

But, when I go to any other band: 

. FN1 and FN2 toggle correctly between 20 khz and 100 khz, the
screen still displays S units; and the Average remains at 5.

. But, on all bands except 20, where I configured the P3 , Ref Lvl
is way off, with S5 displayed at the bottom with +30 at the top of the
screen.

 

Desired State: What I would like is for the P3 display to appear the same on
all bands. So, is there a way to apply configuration changes globally to all
bands, or do I have to manually set Ref Lvl on each band?

 

Thanks

-Ferris NB6T-

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Config Question

[Don Wilhelm]

Ferris,

Many settings are per band - because what works fine on one band does 
not work well for all bands.  There are other settings that are global.
I believe those settings you have cited are per band.  Set them for the 
optimum on each band.


73,
Don W3FPR


On 12/26/2015 6:03 PM, Ferris Jennings wrote:

Hi again -

  


I'm configuring my new P3, and have one big question: is there a way to make
"global changes".

  


To expand:

. I set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a Ref Lvl
from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 20 khz, and apply that all to FN1

. I then set up 20 meters to show S units (LvL Mode=S Units); a Ref
Lvl from S0 to S9; Average = 5; Span = 100 khz, and apply that all to FN2

  


That all works perfectly, and toggles between FN1 and FN2 is great.

  





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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Nr4c]

It more to it than that. I tried it and both screens change together. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Dec 26, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Alan  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/26/2015 06:23 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
>> The bottom of page 30 of the P3 manual shows a photo with the waterfall
>> What I would like to
>> accomplish is have the waterfall on the SVGA monitor, but not on the P3
>> display. Is that possible?
> 
> Yes, just use the P3's DISPLAY button to toggle the waterfall on/off on the 
> main display.
> 
> Alan N1AL
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Alan]

Make sure you have a recent P3 firmware version (1.50 or later).

Alan N1AL


On 12/26/2015 08:34 PM, Nr4c wrote:

It more to it than that. I tried it and both screens change together.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill



On Dec 26, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Alan  wrote:


On 12/26/2015 06:23 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:
The bottom of page 30 of the P3 manual shows a photo with the waterfall
What I would like to
accomplish is have the waterfall on the SVGA monitor, but not on the P3
display. Is that possible?


Yes, just use the P3's DISPLAY button to toggle the waterfall on/off on the 
main display.

Alan N1AL

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Waterfall Off with SVGA Waterfall On???

[Alan]

On 12/26/2015 06:23 PM, Ken Widelitz wrote:

The bottom of page 30 of the P3 manual shows a photo with the waterfall
What I would like to
accomplish is have the waterfall on the SVGA monitor, but not on the P3
display. Is that possible?


Yes, just use the P3's DISPLAY button to toggle the waterfall on/off on 
the main display.


Alan N1AL

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[ae4pb]

I run and SDR with Ham Radio Deluxe. The SDR software connect to Ham Radio
Deluxe directly without using a port. I use a second monitor with my laptop
no second sound  card needed as the SDR comes directly in via USB and does
it's work. 
I get all of the benefits of Point and click. Since I use a laptop for
logging and radio control anyway it's a nice setup.
Jer

Jerry Moore
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Patriotic.

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Robert
G Strickland
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 6:44 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

I use LP-Pan2 with a M-Audio 96k sound card internal to the computer. 
Software is NaP3v4. The screen [for all applications] is a 21" LG. The
computer is an DIY AMD 2.1Ghz cpu, 2G ram, running Win7-64 [it's pretty long
in the tooth]. I use a microHam CW keyer interface with its Router
port-sharing software. Contest logging is N1MM. So...

The choice of LP-Pan is dictated by space requirements; no room for another
box at the operating position. So, my choice is not based on A-B
comparisons/performance. Otherwise, all K-line station.

I have never had any problems with the computer supporting LP-Pan and its
software, N1MM, and browser all at the same time. I can fit all of the
necessary and desired optional windows for all software on the screen during
a contest. NaP3 has never given me any trouble albeit it's no longer
supported by its author. No question that getting LP-Pan setup and running
is more demanding than the P3 which, so I hear, is pretty much a turnkey
operation. That said, once online, the LP-Pan setup is stable and runs
constantly throughout a 48hr contest without a hitch. In contests, I run the
NaP3 display at around 14"x4" on the LG monitor - very pretty and helpful.
Some use a dedicated monitor for their panadapter; however, I have not found
that necessary to provide the info that I "need" during a contest. Issues of
cost are an individual matter.

How one balances all these parameters is, again, an individual matter. 
Either way ends up with a useful tool. I can't imagine operating without a
panadapter at this point. So, prepare to get "hooked."

...robert

On 12/24/2015 16:47, Juliean Galak wrote:
> I'm planning on getting a K3s and am wondering about panadapters.  There's
obviously the P3, but there are also the computer-based I new like the
lp-pan, or using an sdr.  I kind of like having one less box on the desk -
there'll be a computer there no matter what.  How's the quality of these
solutions compared to the p3?  Especially the integration?
>
> Thanks,
> Juliean
> KD2JPF
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 With other radios

[Robert Harmon]

The TS-590SG does not provide a port for a panadapter connection, 
however there are several

work arounds.  Here is some info to start with.

http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php?topic=100599.0


73 and Merry Christmas 
Bob
K6UJ




On 12/24/15 5:51 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:

Why not?

On 12/24/2015 6:19 PM, Robin Moseley wrote:

No..not gonna happen..
-Original Message- From: Doug Person via Elecraft Sent: 
Friday, December 25, 2015 1:00 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 With other radios
A friend of mine received a Kenwood TS-590SG for Christmas.  He asked 
me if there was a way to get the Elecraft P3 Panadapter to work with 
it.  Does anyone know if this is possible?

I appreciate any help on this.

Thanks

Doug -- K0DXV


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Robert G Strickland]

I use LP-Pan2 with a M-Audio 96k sound card internal to the computer. 
Software is NaP3v4. The screen [for all applications] is a 21" LG. The 
computer is an DIY AMD 2.1Ghz cpu, 2G ram, running Win7-64 [it's pretty 
long in the tooth]. I use a microHam CW keyer interface with its Router 
port-sharing software. Contest logging is N1MM. So...


The choice of LP-Pan is dictated by space requirements; no room for 
another box at the operating position. So, my choice is not based on A-B 
comparisons/performance. Otherwise, all K-line station.


I have never had any problems with the computer supporting LP-Pan and 
its software, N1MM, and browser all at the same time. I can fit all of 
the necessary and desired optional windows for all software on the 
screen during a contest. NaP3 has never given me any trouble albeit it's 
no longer supported by its author. No question that getting LP-Pan setup 
and running is more demanding than the P3 which, so I hear, is pretty 
much a turnkey operation. That said, once online, the LP-Pan setup is 
stable and runs constantly throughout a 48hr contest without a hitch. In 
contests, I run the NaP3 display at around 14"x4" on the LG monitor - 
very pretty and helpful. Some use a dedicated monitor for their 
panadapter; however, I have not found that necessary to provide the info 
that I "need" during a contest. Issues of cost are an individual matter.


How one balances all these parameters is, again, an individual matter. 
Either way ends up with a useful tool. I can't imagine operating without 
a panadapter at this point. So, prepare to get "hooked."


...robert

On 12/24/2015 16:47, Juliean Galak wrote:

I'm planning on getting a K3s and am wondering about panadapters.  There's 
obviously the P3, but there are also the computer-based I new like the lp-pan, 
or using an sdr.  I kind of like having one less box on the desk - there'll be 
a computer there no matter what.  How's the quality of these solutions compared 
to the p3?  Especially the integration?

Thanks,
Juliean
KD2JPF
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 With other radios

[Robin Moseley]

No..
not gonna happen..

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Person via Elecraft 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2015 1:00 AM 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 With other radios 

A friend of mine received a Kenwood TS-590SG for Christmas.  He asked me 
if there was a way to get the Elecraft P3 Panadapter to work with it.  
Does anyone know if this is possible?

I appreciate any help on this.

Thanks

Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Dick Dickinson]

The LP-Pan will work fine with some of the more recent motherboard based
soundcards.  Check for quality and bandwitdth.

 

 

73,

Dick - KA5KKT

 

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 With other radios

[Wes (N7WS)]

Why not?

On 12/24/2015 6:19 PM, Robin Moseley wrote:

No..not gonna happen..
-Original Message- From: Doug Person via Elecraft Sent: Friday, 
December 25, 2015 1:00 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3 
With other radios
A friend of mine received a Kenwood TS-590SG for Christmas.  He asked me if 
there was a way to get the Elecraft P3 Panadapter to work with it.  Does 
anyone know if this is possible?

I appreciate any help on this.

Thanks

Doug -- K0DXV


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Hisashi T Fujinaka]

I'm a fan of just turning on the radio and having it going before a
computer has the chance to boot up. But then again, I always have a
computer running so I'm not sure why that is.

On Thu, 24 Dec 2015, Juliean Galak wrote:


I'm planning on getting a K3s and am wondering about panadapters.  There's 
obviously the P3, but there are also the computer-based I new like the lp-pan, 
or using an sdr.  I kind of like having one less box on the desk - there'll be 
a computer there no matter what.  How's the quality of these solutions compared 
to the p3?  Especially the integration?

Thanks,
Juliean
KD2JPF
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[Elecraft] P3 With other radios

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

A friend of mine received a Kenwood TS-590SG for Christmas.  He asked me 
if there was a way to get the Elecraft P3 Panadapter to work with it.  
Does anyone know if this is possible?

I appreciate any help on this.

Thanks

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 With other radios

[Rose]

Yes, the P3 IF input is programmable (455 kHz to 21+ MHz) for use with
other radio's.  See the Elecraft website or the online manual PDF.

73

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[zabarnick .]

Actually the big advantage is the combined panadapter and second receiver
that the LP-PAN/NaP3 combination gives.
It can be challenging getting the full 2nd receiver capability working, but
once you do it offers many of the capabilities
(e.g., listening to VFO A and B simultaneously) that would require both the
P3 and the K3 second receiver.

Also, the LP-PAN/NaP3 combination is MUCH less expensive than buying the
P3/KRX3 combination -- $200 to $300 for
the LP-PAN/NaP3 including a quality sound card vs at least $1300 for the
P3/KRX3 combo.

Steve N9SZ

>Juliean, IMHO the quality is comparable between P3/SVGA and LP-PAN/NaP3.
>Here's an image from an LP-PAN/NaP3 panadapter that I used a while back on
>an Orion:
>http://www.tentecwiki.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache==orionpan3.jpg
>
>The big issue is whether you want to deal with the computer interface side
>of LP-PAN/NaP3 and the necessary port-sharing if you also want to use a
>CAT-connected logging program.  You'll also need to get all the settings
>right in NaP3 for the panadapter calibration to be accurate in all modes.
>
>The big advantage of NaP3 over other LP-PAN software options is the
>integral telnet connection that will paint a bandmap superimposed on the
>spectral display.
>
>73, Barry N1EU
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Jim Brown]

On Thu,12/24/2015 11:04 AM, zabarnick . wrote:

Also, the LP-PAN/NaP3 combination is MUCH less expensive than buying the
P3/KRX3 combination -- $200 to $300 for the LP-PAN/NaP3 including a quality 
sound card vs at least $1300 for the P3/KRX3 combo.


You're forgetting the cost of the computer and the sound card.  My 
experience has been that NaP3 and other SDR software burns a fair amount 
of computer horsepower.  Many of us use a vintage computer in our shacks 
for general logging, digital encode/decode, and contest logging. In my 
experience, I can't successfully add NaP3 to a vintage box that is 
handling all of those other functions quite well.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[zabarnick .]

I've seen lots of used LP-PAN's being sold with a sound card for under
$200. A new LP-PAN is $250 and a good sound card can be found for
under $70. As far as the computer goes, I'm running NaP3 on a 2008
vintage E8600 processor (simultaneously running AC Log, NaP3, CC User,
LP-Bridge, DigiPan, MMTTY, and CW Get). Any computer less than ten
years old should be up to the job (A fast enough computer can be
purchased for less than the price of a KIO3B  :-).

Steve N9SZ


>You're forgetting the cost of the computer and the sound card.  My
>experience has been that NaP3 and other SDR software burns a fair amount
>of computer horsepower.  Many of us use a vintage computer in our shacks
>for general logging, digital encode/decode, and contest logging. In my
>experience, I can't successfully add NaP3 to a vintage box that is
>handling all of those other functions quite well.
>
>73, Jim K9YC


On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 2:04 PM, zabarnick .  wrote:

> Actually the big advantage is the combined panadapter and second receiver
> that the LP-PAN/NaP3 combination gives.
> It can be challenging getting the full 2nd receiver capability working,
> but once you do it offers many of the capabilities
> (e.g., listening to VFO A and B simultaneously) that would require both
> the P3 and the K3 second receiver.
>
> Also, the LP-PAN/NaP3 combination is MUCH less expensive than buying the
> P3/KRX3 combination -- $200 to $300 for
> the LP-PAN/NaP3 including a quality sound card vs at least $1300 for the
> P3/KRX3 combo.
>
> Steve N9SZ
>
> >Juliean, IMHO the quality is comparable between P3/SVGA and LP-PAN/NaP3.
> >Here's an image from an LP-PAN/NaP3 panadapter that I used a while back on
> >an Orion:
> >http://www.tentecwiki.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache==orionpan3.jpg
> >
> >The big issue is whether you want to deal with the computer interface side
> >of LP-PAN/NaP3 and the necessary port-sharing if you also want to use a
> >CAT-connected logging program.  You'll also need to get all the settings
> >right in NaP3 for the panadapter calibration to be accurate in all modes.
> >
> >The big advantage of NaP3 over other LP-PAN software options is the
> >integral telnet connection that will paint a bandmap superimposed on the
> >spectral display.
> >
> >73, Barry N1EU
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[David Gilbert]

Even if you add in the cost of a computer and a top notch sound card 
you're still about half the cost of the P3 set.  You can buy a pretty 
powerful refurbished computer for less than $300, and a monitor for less 
than $100.


Also, try running CW Skimmer or any third party SDR software (current or 
future) on a P3.


Dave   AB7E


On 12/24/2015 12:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:


You're forgetting the cost of the computer and the sound card.  My 
experience has been that NaP3 and other SDR software burns a fair 
amount of computer horsepower.  Many of us use a vintage computer in 
our shacks for general logging, digital encode/decode, and contest 
logging. In my experience, I can't successfully add NaP3 to a vintage 
box that is handling all of those other functions quite well.


73, Jim K9YC


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[Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Juliean Galak]

I'm planning on getting a K3s and am wondering about panadapters.  There's 
obviously the P3, but there are also the computer-based I new like the lp-pan, 
or using an sdr.  I kind of like having one less box on the desk - there'll be 
a computer there no matter what.  How's the quality of these solutions compared 
to the p3?  Especially the integration?

Thanks,
Juliean
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Barry N1EU]

Juliean, IMHO the quality is comparable between P3/SVGA and LP-PAN/NaP3.
Here's an image from an LP-PAN/NaP3 panadapter that I used a while back on
an Orion:
http://www.tentecwiki.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?cache==orionpan3.jpg

The big issue is whether you want to deal with the computer interface side
of LP-PAN/NaP3 and the necessary port-sharing if you also want to use a
CAT-connected logging program.  You'll also need to get all the settings
right in NaP3 for the panadapter calibration to be accurate in all modes.

The big advantage of NaP3 over other LP-PAN software options is the
integral telnet connection that will paint a bandmap superimposed on the
spectral display.

73, Barry N1EU



On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Juliean Galak  wrote:

> I'm planning on getting a K3s and am wondering about panadapters.  There's
> obviously the P3, but there are also the computer-based I new like the
> lp-pan, or using an sdr.  I kind of like having one less box on the desk -
> there'll be a computer there no matter what.  How's the quality of these
> solutions compared to the p3?  Especially the integration?
>
> Thanks,
> Juliean
> KD2JPF
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Steve Ellington]

I've had both over the past 8 years with the K3:

Computer bases system advantages:
1. Cheaper. $300 - $500
2. Better resolution potential but depends on which SDR or sound card you
choose.
3. Point and click with mouse
4. Band changing from screen

Computer based disadvantages:
1. Cabling complexity i.e. external sound card + LP-Pan. Sound card can be
eliminated with a Fun Cube Dongle.
2. Total dependency on computer.
3. Requires a serial port which mandates using a virtual serial port
program such as LP-Bridge is you want to use a logging program at the same
time.
4. Computer must be fast enough to keep up with NAP3's requirements. I use
a quad core, I7 and 12gb of ram. You could do with less but I know this
works. This will certainly increase the CPU load on your computer.
5. Unless you have 2 monitors you will be constantly frustrated wanting to
see both your log and pan at once.

P3 System advantages
1. Simple connectivity to K3
2. Instant bandscope by simply turning on the K3.
3. Eliminates the need for any computer or software. You really need to
experience this to appreciate it. NAP3 is no longer supported by the author
and is not bug free.
4. Easy interface to a large screen monitor...Even your 65" TV will work
via the optional SVGA adapter.

Note: Not all monitors have VGA inputs therefore the P3 may need an
adapter. I use a VGA to HDMI adapter.

P3 Disadvantages:
1. Expensive $700 to $1000
2. Point and click but requires cranking a knob on the P3...I usually just
tune the K3s manually instead.

Like I stated aboveI'm relieved to no longer depend on the computer.
There was always something needing attention and software was really a
pain. I've learned to live the the P3's shortcomings. Now all my computer
needs to do is run the logging program. BTW: I use Logger32 and it allows
using your mouse wheel for tuning anyway.

Steve N4LQ







On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Juliean Galak  wrote:

> I'm planning on getting a K3s and am wondering about panadapters.  There's
> obviously the P3, but there are also the computer-based I new like the
> lp-pan, or using an sdr.  I kind of like having one less box on the desk -
> there'll be a computer there no matter what.  How's the quality of these
> solutions compared to the p3?  Especially the integration?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs. other panadapter options

[Wes (N7WS)]

I tried the LP-Pan once.  It was OK but became two boxes by the time I had a 
decent external soundcard.  I detested the then available PowerSDR software.  
Probably better now, but I use an SDR-IQ and SpectraVue* software.  Interfaces 
perfectly with the K3/K3S.  Gives both a spectrum and waterfall display, point 
and click tuning and demodulation if you like (I don't). The software knows all 
of the K3 i-f offsets and corrects the frequency display automatically.  I have 
two of them, one on my K3 and another on the K3S.


The SDR-IQ is out of production now but used ones show up frequently.  It's been 
replaced with the Cloud-IQ which is double the price of the going rate for an 
SDR-IQ.  The Cloud-IQ uses Ethernet instead of USB so I'm unclear about 
interfacing with the K3, even though SpectraVue is still used.  I use LP-Bridge 
for USB port sharing between my logging programs, the SDR and the K3s.


*SpectraVue is to me, straightforward.  I have yet to find any other SDR 
software that is easily understood and used by a normal human being.



On 12/24/2015 9:47 AM, Juliean Galak wrote:

I'm planning on getting a K3s and am wondering about panadapters.  There's 
obviously the P3, but there are also the computer-based I new like the lp-pan, 
or using an sdr.  I kind of like having one less box on the desk - there'll be 
a computer there no matter what.  How's the quality of these solutions compared 
to the p3?  Especially the integration?

Thanks,
Juliean
KD2JPF



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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash

[David Bunte]

I have been mulling this over since I saw the initial post.  I keep coming
back to the description as a "blinding flash", and "like a flash cube".
When my P3 first comes on, there is a moment when the entire screen lights
up, but the intensity appears to be exactly the same as the normal
brightness, of the display.  I see NOTHING that I would describe as a
"blinding flash", or like a "flash cube".  IF what you, and it would seem,
others are seeing, really is significantly brighter than the normal white
levels of the legend on the screen, etc., then I would certainly contact
Elecraft support directly.

Dave - K9FN

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Steve Ellington 
wrote:

> Good enough. I'm not going to worry about it.
> It's just that most things like TVs etc. don't do that and you'd think such
> a surge wouldn't be healthy.
> 73 to all.
> Steve N4LQ
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:21 PM, W5RDW  wrote:
>
> > Mine has done that since day one. I never gave it a thought something was
> > not
> > right.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On Flash

[Ed G]

Hello,
 I have also experienced the turn on flash on my PX3. Now that some
others have posted about it on the P3, I will note that I find it just a tad
annoying, and I prefer to look away from the screen when I turn on the PX3.
I do not know if anything is being overstressed (I'm not familiar with the
specs, whether the display and/or backlight are being run at max voltages,
etc). I finally found a way to use my iphone camera's burst feature, and
posted a short series of photos of my PX3 turning on:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/photos/albums/1409683511
The photos seem to show a short very bright flash, followed by a decreasing
intensity, then a transition to the boot loader message, then a further
transition to the operating display.  I would also note the pictures seem to
support the impression that the turn on intensity is brighter than the
whites seen in the operating display.  Even if the turn on flash does not
detract from overall component lifetime, the designers might want to see if
it could be suppressed to help polish the overall operating experience of
the analyzers, while giving tired old eyes a break.
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On Flash

[Steve Ellington]

>From my research:
I believe all of these LED/LCD displays run the LED back-light at full
blast continuously. The LCD blocks the light per the video data however on
the P3, the LED back-light comes on before the LCD has time to block
it...Thus the flash effect.
It probably won't hurt anything but does light up a dark room rather
abruptly.

Steve N4LQ

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Ed G  wrote:

> Hello,
>  I have also experienced the turn on flash on my PX3. Now that some
> others have posted about it on the P3, I will note that I find it just a
> tad
> annoying, and I prefer to look away from the screen when I turn on the PX3.
> I do not know if anything is being overstressed (I'm not familiar with the
> specs, whether the display and/or backlight are being run at max voltages,
> etc). I finally found a way to use my iphone camera's burst feature, and
> posted a short series of photos of my PX3 turning on:
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/KX3/photos/albums/1409683511
> The photos seem to show a short very bright flash, followed by a decreasing
> intensity, then a transition to the boot loader message, then a further
> transition to the operating display.  I would also note the pictures seem
> to
> support the impression that the turn on intensity is brighter than the
> whites seen in the operating display.  Even if the turn on flash does not
> detract from overall component lifetime, the designers might want to see if
> it could be suppressed to help polish the overall operating experience of
> the analyzers, while giving tired old eyes a break.
> --Ed, N3CW--
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On Flash

[Jim Sheldon]

 Funny, but until this thread I'd never noticed it.  Mine does the same 
thing, but since I have my P3 set to power up when I turn the power 
supply on and before the K3, I'm looking at the power supply when it 
turns on so I never saw it before today.  It's part of the power on 
sequence.  I don't find it bright enough to be annoying at all.  It 
certainly hasn't hurt the P3 in 5 years of daily operation though.


Jim - W0EB

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Hello,
 I have also experienced the turn on flash on my PX3. Now that some
others have posted about it on the P3, I will note that I find it just 
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[Elecraft] P3 programmer's manual

[hsherriff]

Is there an effort to update the P3 programmer's manual to cover the xmtr 
monitor? 
Harlan NC3C 


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[Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash

[Steve Ellington]

Just wondering:
My P3's 12v DC comes from the K3. First I turn on my power supply then the
K3. The P3 comes on automatically as per the setting.
When the P3 comes on, the LCD display is like a flash cube! BRIGHT.
Then it dims down to my normally low brightness setting.

To me it seems like this would be hard on the panel's back light.
Are my concerns unfounded?

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash

[Steve Ellington]

Good enough. I'm not going to worry about it.
It's just that most things like TVs etc. don't do that and you'd think such
a surge wouldn't be healthy.
73 to all.
Steve N4LQ

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 6:21 PM, W5RDW  wrote:

> Mine has done that since day one. I never gave it a thought something was
> not
> right.
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

The display uses an LED backlight so nothing is being stressed. 

73, Ron AC7AC


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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash

Just wondering:
My P3's 12v DC comes from the K3. First I turn on my power supply then the
K3. The P3 comes on automatically as per the setting.
When the P3 comes on, the LCD display is like a flash cube! BRIGHT.
Then it dims down to my normally low brightness setting.

To me it seems like this would be hard on the panel's back light.
Are my concerns unfounded?

Steve N4LQ

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash

[W6NEK]

I don't know if your concerns are unfounded, but I have been using my P3 for 
years (since they were first introduced) and upon power-up I also experience 
a very brief (maybe 100-200 ms) display of bright white pixels then the 
normal panadapter display is shown. During all this time I have not noticed 
any degradation to the TFT display brightness or resolution. Neither have I 
notice any evidence of dead pixels. From my own experience, I am not 
concerned about the TFT display.


Frank - W6NEK

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Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash



Just wondering:
My P3's 12v DC comes from the K3. First I turn on my power supply then the
K3. The P3 comes on automatically as per the setting.
When the P3 comes on, the LCD display is like a flash cube! BRIGHT.
Then it dims down to my normally low brightness setting.

To me it seems like this would be hard on the panel's back light.
Are my concerns unfounded?

Steve N4LQ
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn on Blinding Flash

[W5RDW]

Mine has done that since day one. I never gave it a thought something was not
right.



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[Elecraft] P3: how to save configuration setting?

[Dick via Elecraft]

Please advise how to save the "Set Display Brightness" setting.   According 
the Manual you simply select the brightness setting you want by  rotating 
the Select dial, tap the Select knob to exit the function, and Tap Menu  
again to exit the Menu.  But that sequence doesn't save the Brightness  setting 
as every time the P3 powers up the brightness level is back to the  original 
factory default setting.
 
Thanks & 73,
 
Dick- K9OM 
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