Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product life cycle is t short. James On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 15:44, Mark Chou wrote: Now that Mandrake has announced their product end-of-life policy (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/productlifetime.php3), I really need a sustainable upgrade strategy. I've always struggled with rpm updates, basically downloadling source rpms and building them myself. Mandrake package dependencies also happen to be particularly 'unkempt,' often includes things that really aren't necessary. My most important MDK box, a gateway/firewall, is still basically MDK8.0 (console only). What do most of you do to keep your machines up to date with necessary features and security updates? Do you pretty much re-pave each time for a newer MDK distro, or do you build your own from sources? Any time-saving hints, like rsync, etc, which would save download time? What are the best practices? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:25, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 16:15 -0500, et wrote: I would not put bets on where to blame in either case,,, my [gag,,cough, cough, choke] intuition makes me think of some weird kinda file corruption in both cases, but SO is the only common thread _that_ _we_ _know_ _of_. Yes, that sounds right, but... Taking into account that we may well have different computers, a different installation of maybe different versions of Mandrake it boils down to nothing in common at all, oh ... wait... Yes, the main principle of the binary system: 1 != 0 or on and old Mainframe I knew of -0 != +0 James You may take that further down to the Big Bang (No, I don't mean the one when your Dad spanked you for the first time!) wobo, not really serious. -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
Hello I have a MSI MS-6580 motherboard with 845PE chipset The problem is that when mdk9 boots it gives me PCI device 0:1f:1 was disabled because of resource collision and because of that the computer behaves like a 486 when it comes about reading/writing on the disks. is there any patch for the default 2.4.19 kernel witch comes with the mdk9? or a newer kernel from mandrake? I can try to install a fresh new kernel from kernel.org but I am afraid that the original kernel was patched and particularised by MDK team. any other suggestions are welcomed. TIA -- --- Dragos Birkoff Dionisie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator Evenimentul zilei www.evz.ro --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Staroffice/openoffice problem
On Tuesday 04 Feb 2003 9:15 pm, et wrote: I would not put bets on where to blame in either case,,, my [gag,,cough, cough, choke] intuition makes me think of some weird kinda file corruption in both cases, but SO is the only common thread _that_ _we_ _know_ _of_. FWIW, I abandoned OOo from 8.2 for exactly the same reason - as files got bigger I started to have these problems, with what appeared to be file corruption. I didn't get those independantly tested as I did with these files, but on this occasion the apparent corruption has disappeared, so must have been a false reading of some kind. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mozilla and Netscape Profiles
On Monday 03 Feb 2003 3:22 pm, mycal62 wrote: hi , did you try looking in : file:/usr/local/netscape/defaults/profile Only thing I could find. No, I have to admit I didn't. I expected the profiles to be in home directories or root for the installation. You could be right, this may be what I was looking for. what is the exact problem you are having? I've just gone through a bit of a pain to get my netscape 7 working properly after a new install. I had to create a new profile , delete the default profile and rename the new one to default to make it work. it was doing a lot of weird stuff, but now all works perfect, and I have all the old bookmarks, and messages and such. What I was really trying to do was to separate the Netscape profile from the Mozilla one. There is a comment somewhere on the Netscape pages that they should not be allowed to share a profile, but I can't remember how I got to the download page (some link) but I certainly did not see that before I installed. Anyway, I had hoped that by separating them I could control them. The main problem is with plugins, though there are print issues too. I seem to be incapable of getting Moz, Galeon and N7 all working correctly. At any time I have one that works for the most part, and the other two broken. Any improvement in one of the others seems to break the first one. I think I'll risk getting rid of N7 first, then if necessary I'll reinstall Moz and Galeon and start the whole round of plugins over again. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 9:03 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product life cycle is t short. Could someone clarify, please? Does this mean that there will be no security fixes after those dates? If those continue we would be no worse off than with any windows distro. After all, if it works for us now it will continue to do so. But without security updates it's a whole new ball game. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] OpenOffice Gnome2 problem
I am getting these errors with 1.0.2, either RPM or from OOo.org Binary with Gnome2. How can I get rid of them and actually use OOo? Now it just promptly crashes after the gui loads up. (gnome-panel:1856): Wnck-WARNING **: Property _NET_WM_NAME contained invalid UTF-8 Window manager warning: Property _NET_WM_NAME on window 0x1a00017 contained invalid UTF-8 you don't have sources for. -- Seppo Jarvinen , [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never trust an operating system GSM+SMS +358 40 568 1756 You never know what you're facing Power the World, With Linux! unless you dare to LOOK AT IT. Technology lies on the leading edge Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Load Balancing, windows style more or less
Win2k Load Balancing uses a virtual IP address for all systems that you want to load balance with (multicasting?). Basically i have to 3 systems running win2k server that i want to move to linux/unix. Is there away to do this? All the info i have seen for multicasting is easily 4 years old for *nix. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] supermount
hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Thanks Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [expert] supermount
Yes. Supermount is evil. This is the first thing i disable after an install. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SainTiss Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:58 AM To: MDKexpert Mailing Subject: [expert] supermount hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Thanks Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 13:03, Robert Wideman wrote: Yes. Supermount is evil. This is the first thing i disable after an install. Rob snipped Tofu --- What a usefull post. To the original Poster: Have you the right fstab entries for supermount ? Have you made 'supermount -m mointpoint' -- Regards Steffen counter.li.org : #296567. machine: 181800 vdr-box : 87 Please dont CC me, since if I have replied I'll watch the tread. Both mails will be filtered to the ML-folder. Thanks Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 10:05:59AM +, Anne Wilson wrote: : On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 9:03 am, James Sparenberg wrote: : Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single : supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new : laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage : to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's : see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product : life cycle is t short. : : Could someone clarify, please? Does this mean that there will be no security : fixes after those dates? If those continue we would be no worse off than : with any windows distro. After all, if it works for us now it will continue : to do so. But without security updates it's a whole new ball game. Or any other Linux distro. Or most software programs for that matter. Personally, I'd rather see Mandrake do like everyone else and EOL a product rather than keep dumping time and money into something that get's them no return. --Jerry Open-Source software isn't a matter of life or death... ...It's much more important than that! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 05:05 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 9:03 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product life cycle is t short. if you are under the impression that M$ has an 8 year product suport for win95, you might try asking M$ what support they offer for win95, and consider that sept 2004 win95 will be 8 years old, as it was 1 year old in 1996 Could someone clarify, please? Does this mean that there will be no security fixes after those dates? If those continue we would be no worse off than with any windows distro. After all, if it works for us now it will continue to do so. But without security updates it's a whole new ball game. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] supermount
Well, I reasoned that way too when I first installed 9.0, but the docs of the kernel-updates specifically mention supermount as being rewritten and fixed... Hans On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 13:03, Robert Wideman wrote: Yes. Supermount is evil. This is the first thing i disable after an install. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SainTiss Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:58 AM To: MDKexpert Mailing Subject: [expert] supermount hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Thanks Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] supermount
I enabled supermount through the MDK control center, but this is what I got in fstab now: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,users 0 0 I'm not sure what the -- is doing there, so I tried removing it, but to no avail... Hans On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 13:20, Steffen Barszus wrote: On Wednesday 05 February 2003 13:03, Robert Wideman wrote: Yes. Supermount is evil. This is the first thing i disable after an install. Rob snipped Tofu --- What a usefull post. To the original Poster: Have you the right fstab entries for supermount ? Have you made 'supermount -m mointpoint' -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:37 pm, SainTiss wrote: Well, I reasoned that way too when I first installed 9.0, but the docs of the kernel-updates specifically mention supermount as being rewritten and fixed... There must be some oddity about supermount, though. It works beautifully on my box, yet others have endless problems. Of course, it may be that other customisation/choices are affecting it - don't know about that. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
Microsoft have a 5 year time in which they support their product.. after that, all bets are off.. win95 has no new updates available, there are some that were created when it was supported, but there are no new ones.. win98 has just about finished its support cycle, and when they kill it, they will kill 98SE as well (even though technically, it was introduced almost a year after the first win98.) win2000 gets killed in 2005 etc etc.. People who setup servers don't like to change around alot.. I still have quite a few 7.2 boxes out there.. and now I have to upgrade just because I will have to manually update from tarballs for security fixes. Its a pain, but if it helps mandrake, then so be it.. I will upgrade the 7.2's to 9.1 or manually upgrade packages on the 7.2 boxes. Oh well, such is life.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of et Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2003 8:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates On Wednesday 05 February 2003 05:05 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 9:03 am, James Sparenberg wrote: Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product life cycle is t short. if you are under the impression that M$ has an 8 year product suport for win95, you might try asking M$ what support they offer for win95, and consider that sept 2004 win95 will be 8 years old, as it was 1 year old in 1996 Could someone clarify, please? Does this mean that there will be no security fixes after those dates? If those continue we would be no worse off than with any windows distro. After all, if it works for us now it will continue to do so. But without security updates it's a whole new ball game. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:41 pm, SainTiss wrote: I enabled supermount through the MDK control center, but this is what I got in fstab now: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,users 0 0 Mine is none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 Maybe that 'user' is significant? It certainly works for me. I'm not sure what the -- is doing there, so I tried removing it, but to no avail... I couldn't figure that one out either. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] supermount
Anne, am in a good mood nowhehe. My problems is that when i want to eject the cdrom i cant do it b/c it auto mounts with supermount when i told it not to. Also certain apps require cdrom NOT mounted...then supermount takes command, AAA. This is just my frustration with it, doesnt really cause a problem, just frustration. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:37 pm, SainTiss wrote: Well, I reasoned that way too when I first installed 9.0, but the docs of the kernel-updates specifically mention supermount as being rewritten and fixed... There must be some oddity about supermount, though. It works beautifully on my box, yet others have endless problems. Of course, it may be that other customisation/choices are affecting it - don't know about that. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] supermount
Mine with supermount -i disable used after install. /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev 0 0 /dev/scd1 /mnt/cdrom2 auto codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev 0 0 /dev/fd0/mnt/floppy auto iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,sync,unhide,noauto,nosuid,umask=0,user,node v 0 0 Yes, i have an all scsi system. If it were IDE it would be /dev/hdb or hdc or something. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:41 pm, SainTiss wrote: I enabled supermount through the MDK control center, but this is what I got in fstab now: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noau to,users 0 0 Mine is none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,u mask=0 0 0 Maybe that 'user' is significant? It certainly works for me. I'm not sure what the -- is doing there, so I tried removing it, but to no avail... I couldn't figure that one out either. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 13:46, Anne Wilson wrote: Mine is none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 Maybe that 'user' is significant? It certainly works for me. I tried changing users to user, but that didn't make it work either... Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:50 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: My problems is that when i want to eject the cdrom i cant do it b/c it auto mounts with supermount when i told it not to. Tell me more - you're umounting from c/l I take it? I have noticed that sometimes it can get picky (I'm normally in gui mode) if anything is reading the directory tree and may be reading the cds directory also. That just means that I have to be careful that I have no Kinq windows or terminals that might by using it - no prob once I realised. Also certain apps require cdrom NOT mounted...then supermount takes command, AAA. This is just my frustration with it, doesnt really cause a problem, just frustration. Yes - I thought of experimenting with udf, but for that I would have to get rid of supermount, I think. In fact, I wouldn't think I could use auto mode either. Haven't entirely thought it through yet, but I would think my only option is to mount/umount from c/l every time. I'm hanging fire on this one. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:58 pm, SainTiss wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 13:46, Anne Wilson wrote: Mine is none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 Maybe that 'user' is significant? It certainly works for me. I tried changing users to user, but that didn't make it work either... Shot in the dark, Hans. I know some parts of this statement are position-sensitive, but I don't know which ones. Try moving the 'user' forward. Apart from that I can't see any obvious difference between your and mine. Except that you have 'ro' and I don't. But then mine is cd-rw, whereas the cd-dvd does have 'ro'. Sorry, no more ideas. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] supermount
I dont remember, its been awhile since i have used supermount. Once i started having the probs a few months ago i disabled supermount after reading an article somewhere stating that it has been badly written or something to that effect that it is a non-worthy app. Personally i would not like it automounted, i even disabled autofs when MDK used it. So i just do use any automounting features anymore. If i want something mounted at boot then i put it into /etc/fstab or into another script to mount it on boot up or something. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:50 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: My problems is that when i want to eject the cdrom i cant do it b/c it auto mounts with supermount when i told it not to. Tell me more - you're umounting from c/l I take it? I have noticed that sometimes it can get picky (I'm normally in gui mode) if anything is reading the directory tree and may be reading the cds directory also. That just means that I have to be careful that I have no Kinq windows or terminals that might by using it - no prob once I realised. Also certain apps require cdrom NOT mounted...then supermount takes command, AAA. This is just my frustration with it, doesnt really cause a problem, just frustration. Yes - I thought of experimenting with udf, but for that I would have to get rid of supermount, I think. In fact, I wouldn't think I could use auto mode either. Haven't entirely thought it through yet, but I would think my only option is to mount/umount from c/l every time. I'm hanging fire on this one. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:08, Anne Wilson wrote: I tried changing users to user, but that didn't make it work either... Shot in the dark, Hans. I know some parts of this statement are position-sensitive, but I don't know which ones. Try moving the 'user' forward. Didn't help either, but thanks for the tip... this is what I did to get it working: 1) upgrade kernel and reboot 2) enable supermount in MDK CC 3) check that supermount is loaded with lsmod 4) put a cd in the cd-player 5) wait and see nothing happen 6) cd /mnt/cdrom2 and nothing happens... Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [expert] supermount
Didn't help either, but thanks for the tip... this is what I did to get it working: 1) upgrade kernel and reboot 2) enable supermount in MDK CC 3) check that supermount is loaded with lsmod 4) put a cd in the cd-player 5) wait and see nothing happen 6) cd /mnt/cdrom2 and nothing happens... Is the application able to autoplay a cd upon insertion? Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 05 February 2003 07:41 am, SainTiss wrote: I enabled supermount through the MDK control center, but this is what I got in fstab now: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noauto,users 0 0 I love supermount. It works for me on 8.2 and 9.0. I have 2 cdroms (1 cdrom, 1 cdburner). My working entry for my cd burner on /mnt/cdrom2 is: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto, ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 praedor - -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - - Friedrich Nietzsche. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+QQ/l1i/6R1B/Yh0RAu3IAJ9FqMPx+eOp+axEFy09LsMEdfv8hwCeIi9T mwKjhFW4CvjMik1rGegLl+8= =NRJf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
Hmm, wait a minute... I think I figured it out: I seem to be able to mount /mnt/cdrom2 without a cd being in the drive... And from the moment that's done, it all seems to work... if I insert a cd, its contents are correctly displayed, I can eject it without unmounting, and I can replace the cd and it will detect that and get its contents right again... so that would mean I should just remove the noauto from fstab, and I should be fine? Is that how it works? Thanks Hans On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:17, SainTiss wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:08, Anne Wilson wrote: I tried changing users to user, but that didn't make it work either... Shot in the dark, Hans. I know some parts of this statement are position-sensitive, but I don't know which ones. Try moving the 'user' forward. Didn't help either, but thanks for the tip... this is what I did to get it working: 1) upgrade kernel and reboot 2) enable supermount in MDK CC 3) check that supermount is loaded with lsmod 4) put a cd in the cd-player 5) wait and see nothing happen 6) cd /mnt/cdrom2 and nothing happens... Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] supermount
music CDs do not get mounted, just played On Wednesday 05 February 2003 08:09 am, Robert Wideman wrote: I dont remember, its been awhile since i have used supermount. Once i started having the probs a few months ago i disabled supermount after reading an article somewhere stating that it has been badly written or something to that effect that it is a non-worthy app. Personally i would not like it automounted, i even disabled autofs when MDK used it. So i just do use any automounting features anymore. If i want something mounted at boot then i put it into /etc/fstab or into another script to mount it on boot up or something. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:50 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: My problems is that when i want to eject the cdrom i cant do it b/c it auto mounts with supermount when i told it not to. Tell me more - you're umounting from c/l I take it? I have noticed that sometimes it can get picky (I'm normally in gui mode) if anything is reading the directory tree and may be reading the cds directory also. That just means that I have to be careful that I have no Kinq windows or terminals that might by using it - no prob once I realised. Also certain apps require cdrom NOT mounted...then supermount takes command, AAA. This is just my frustration with it, doesnt really cause a problem, just frustration. Yes - I thought of experimenting with udf, but for that I would have to get rid of supermount, I think. In fact, I wouldn't think I could use auto mode either. Haven't entirely thought it through yet, but I would think my only option is to mount/umount from c/l every time. I'm hanging fire on this one. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 07:53 am, Robert Wideman wrote: Mine with supermount -i disable used after install. /dev/scd0 /mnt/cdrom auto codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev 0 0 /dev/scd1 /mnt/cdrom2 auto codepage=850,iocharset=iso8859-1,noauto,nosuid,ro,umask=0,user,nodev 0 0 /dev/fd0/mnt/floppy auto iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,sync,unhide,noauto,nosuid,umask=0,user,nod e v 0 0 Yes, i have an all scsi system. If it were IDE it would be /dev/hdb or hdc or something. Rob you can still have scd points with an IDE cdrom, with scsi emulatio scd0 is a valid device for a /dev/scd* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 6:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] supermount On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 12:41 pm, SainTiss wrote: I enabled supermount through the MDK control center, but this is what I got in fstab now: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd1,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,noau to,users 0 0 Mine is none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,--,user,iocharset=iso8859-15,codepage=850,u mask=0 0 0 Maybe that 'user' is significant? It certainly works for me. I'm not sure what the -- is doing there, so I tried removing it, but to no avail... I couldn't figure that one out either. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 13:03 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Tell me more - you're umounting from c/l I take it? I have noticed that sometimes it can get picky (I'm normally in gui mode) if anything is reading the directory tree and may be reading the cds directory also. That just means that I have to be careful that I have no Kinq windows or terminals that might by using it - no prob once I realised. This reminds me: Normally I mount via CLI and use mc or just the CLI on a CD (rpm or mv or ls, etc.). Just the other day I used the CD icon on the KDE desktop and konqueror opened with the contents of the CD. I looked at it and closed konqueror. Next time i tried to open the drive it did not. So I did an 'umount /mnt/cdrom' but it told me that the device was in use. I had to open Konqueror, change to a different directory and close Konqueror. Then I was able to open the drive. So Konqueror saves it's status somewhere when you close it. If you close it with the contents of a CD on display your CD remains 'in use'. wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 1:09 pm, Robert Wideman wrote: I dont remember, its been awhile since i have used supermount. Once i started having the probs a few months ago i disabled supermount after reading an article somewhere stating that it has been badly written or something to that effect that it is a non-worthy app. Heck - if you read it, it must be true g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 1:42 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 13:03 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Tell me more - you're umounting from c/l I take it? I have noticed that sometimes it can get picky (I'm normally in gui mode) if anything is reading the directory tree and may be reading the cds directory also. That just means that I have to be careful that I have no Kinq windows or terminals that might by using it - no prob once I realised. This reminds me: Normally I mount via CLI and use mc or just the CLI on a CD (rpm or mv or ls, etc.). Just the other day I used the CD icon on the KDE desktop and konqueror opened with the contents of the CD. I looked at it and closed konqueror. Next time i tried to open the drive it did not. So I did an 'umount /mnt/cdrom' but it told me that the device was in use. I had to open Konqueror, change to a different directory and close Konqueror. Then I was able to open the drive. So Konqueror saves it's status somewhere when you close it. If you close it with the contents of a CD on display your CD remains 'in use'. wobo That fits with my experience. Also, if you panic and umount it from c/l you tend to upset it. Closing all, as you say, usually does it. One variatioon on your experience is that it may open and immediately close before you could possibly remove the disk. It then automatically mounts the disk again, and you are back at square one until you've found what's bugging it. I just make sure everything's closed, now. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 1:21 pm, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: I love supermount. It works for me on 8.2 and 9.0. I have 2 cdroms (1 cdrom, 1 cdburner). My working entry for my cd burner on /mnt/cdrom2 is: none /mnt/cdrom2 supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto, ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 ro on a burner? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
in bios, turn plug and play aware OS to off On Wednesday 05 February 2003 04:40 am, Birkoff wrote: Hello I have a MSI MS-6580 motherboard with 845PE chipset The problem is that when mdk9 boots it gives me PCI device 0:1f:1 was disabled because of resource collision and because of that the computer behaves like a 486 when it comes about reading/writing on the disks. is there any patch for the default 2.4.19 kernel witch comes with the mdk9? or a newer kernel from mandrake? I can try to install a fresh new kernel from kernel.org but I am afraid that the original kernel was patched and particularised by MDK team. any other suggestions are welcomed. TIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 13:46 +, Anne Wilson wrote: That fits with my experience. Also, if you panic and umount it from c/l you tend to upset it. Closing all, as you say, usually does it. One variatioon on your experience is that it may open and immediately close before you could possibly remove the disk. It then automatically mounts the disk again, and you are back at square one until you've found what's bugging it. I just make sure everything's closed, now. Now this is not that unusual. I raised a boy who is now 19 of age. I remember at 12/13 he showed the same priciple of behaviour as you described above! ;-) Women are like that sometimes, not dependent of their age. SCNR! wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
civileme wrote: Well google around and you can find scdbackup which is oriented toward 650Mb disks. And I have tested it to work on 9.0 with supermount disabled, and a $25.95(US) CDRW drive which is rated 4x4x24 Even with that, the drive barfs on CDRW media, even for blanking, with 9.0 DO NOT USE CDRW media for this either--most of it is 650 and there are MANY supposed CDRW drives which will not work with CDRW media of the more modern flavor or insist on trying to treat all the CDRW media as 700Mb capacity. Civileme Interesting that you should mention this. I have been trying to backup a directory full of mp3 files to a CD-RW. They just REFUSE to write/recover properly. I can backup the rest of the system with no problem, but not those mp3's. IT may be yet another case of CD-RW problems.(?). I may try burning them to a CD-R ... But I've got a pile of coasters now... I will probably just invest in a spindle of 100 of them, get it over with. Also, I tried writing the latest beta iso to a CD-RW. But nooo.. The CD-RW drive is new, as are the disks. They burn ok, but if I move the CD to the other (older) drive, and try to boot the box from it.. No go. I can't even mount them on that drive. If I burn the ISOs to a CD-R, all works like it should. I bought the CD-RW's thinking Great for temp storage. But no.. I've had far too many problems with them. I wish I had my DAT Drive with me. Can't beat tape for backups. :) Sadly, it's in my server in Seattle, and I'm STILL stuck in Florida... sigh... Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
On Wednesday February 5 2003 03:40 am, Birkoff wrote: Hello I have a MSI MS-6580 motherboard with 845PE chipset The problem is that when mdk9 boots it gives me PCI device 0:1f:1 was disabled because of resource collision and because of that the computer behaves like a 486 when it comes about reading/writing on the disks. is there any patch for the default 2.4.19 kernel witch comes with the mdk9? or a newer kernel from mandrake? I can try to install a fresh new kernel from kernel.org but I am afraid that the original kernel was patched and particularised by MDK team. any other suggestions are welcomed. I don't have an Intel chipset, haven't had one since the good'ol BX. Still I read the cooker and change-log lists daily. There's been quite a bit of discussion about i845 chipsets, particularly improved udma IDE support. IIRC, the newest 2.4.21's have some additional patches for that chipset. Latest is kernel-source-2.4.21-0.pre4.2mdk, or you could get the precompiled binary version from any cooker mirror. Install with rpm -ivh and your current default kernel will be preserved, and the new one only there as a boot option. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
I have noticed that Redhat, and M$ has lately published listing reguardiing expected support cycles, and all of them are shorter than what most people expect for manufactured products, but this is the way of things, and even more so with computers, since the hardware is planned to be obsolete in 3 to 4 years anyway. the real problem (from my narrow little pinhole viewpoint) is the need for applications needing all the computing power available. while most companies got P3 M$ windows boxes, they still use them to emmulate access to a termanel off the server, or run word. stuff they could have done with the wyse monochrom termanal they threw away to have pretty colors. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Load Balancing, windows style more or less
You might want to consider OpenMosix ( http://openmosix.sourceforge.net/ ) ..Once you have installed openMosix, the nodes in the cluster start talking to one another and the cluster adapts itself to the workload. Processes originating from any one node, if that node is too busy compared to others, can migrate to any other node. openMosix continuously attempts to optimize the resource allocation. Perfect for Load balancing. Richard Mollel --- Robert Wideman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Win2k Load Balancing uses a virtual IP address for all systems that you want to load balance with (multicasting?). Basically i have to 3 systems running win2k server that i want to move to linux/unix. Is there away to do this? All the info i have seen for multicasting is easily 4 years old for *nix. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 2:04 pm, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: . One variatioon on your experience is that it may open and immediately close before you could possibly remove the disk. It then automatically mounts the disk again, and you are back at square one until you've found what's bugging it. I just make sure everything's closed, now. Now this is not that unusual. I raised a boy who is now 19 of age. I remember at 12/13 he showed the same priciple of behaviour as you described above! ;-) Women are like that sometimes, not dependent of their age. SCNR! :-P Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
SCNR??? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 09:04 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 13:46 +, Anne Wilson wrote: That fits with my experience. Also, if you panic and umount it from c/l you tend to upset it. Closing all, as you say, usually does it. One variatioon on your experience is that it may open and immediately close before you could possibly remove the disk. It then automatically mounts the disk again, and you are back at square one until you've found what's bugging it. I just make sure everything's closed, now. Now this is not that unusual. I raised a boy who is now 19 of age. I remember at 12/13 he showed the same priciple of behaviour as you described above! ;-) Women are like that sometimes, not dependent of their age. SCNR! wobo don't blame it on the age,,, blame the parents. or the fact he is raised in a palce where hookers walk the Strauss, or that he is a German.. ya thats the ticket,,, blame his nationality... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
I just tried playing an audio-cd, and that works fine as well... Hans On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:28, SainTiss wrote: Hmm, wait a minute... I think I figured it out: I seem to be able to mount /mnt/cdrom2 without a cd being in the drive... And from the moment that's done, it all seems to work... if I insert a cd, its contents are correctly displayed, I can eject it without unmounting, and I can replace the cd and it will detect that and get its contents right again... so that would mean I should just remove the noauto from fstab, and I should be fine? Is that how it works? Thanks Hans On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:17, SainTiss wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:08, Anne Wilson wrote: I tried changing users to user, but that didn't make it work either... Shot in the dark, Hans. I know some parts of this statement are position-sensitive, but I don't know which ones. Try moving the 'user' forward. Didn't help either, but thanks for the tip... this is what I did to get it working: 1) upgrade kernel and reboot 2) enable supermount in MDK CC 3) check that supermount is loaded with lsmod 4) put a cd in the cd-player 5) wait and see nothing happen 6) cd /mnt/cdrom2 and nothing happens... Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:23 -0500, et wrote: SCNR??? Sorry Could Not Resist (if you were asking for the meaning) A kind of preventive measure when you know you may get spanked for what you did or wrote. Most important lifesaving sentence in marital life. wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 09:32 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 09:23 -0500, et wrote: SCNR??? Sorry Could Not Resist (if you were asking for the meaning) A kind of preventive measure when you know you may get spanked for what you did or wrote. Most important lifesaving sentence in marital life. wobo thank you,,, that was what I was asking. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Load Balancing, windows style more or less
google, linux virtual server. On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 03:42, Robert Wideman wrote: Win2k Load Balancing uses a virtual IP address for all systems that you want to load balance with (multicasting?). Basically i have to 3 systems running win2k server that i want to move to linux/unix. Is there away to do this? All the info i have seen for multicasting is easily 4 years old for *nix. Rob __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 2:27 pm, SainTiss wrote: I just tried playing an audio-cd, and that works fine as well... Sounds as though you're sorted, then. But - you told us how, now we need to know why :) Anyone tell us? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] drakbackup
Also look at the media the drive supports. I had a SF 8x burner that was VERY specific on which it would burn on...not in the documentation. Though it was the 1st 8x burner out on consumer level in the US. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tibbetts, Ric Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] drakbackup civileme wrote: Well google around and you can find scdbackup which is oriented toward 650Mb disks. And I have tested it to work on 9.0 with supermount disabled, and a $25.95(US) CDRW drive which is rated 4x4x24 Even with that, the drive barfs on CDRW media, even for blanking, with 9.0 DO NOT USE CDRW media for this either--most of it is 650 and there are MANY supposed CDRW drives which will not work with CDRW media of the more modern flavor or insist on trying to treat all the CDRW media as 700Mb capacity. Civileme Interesting that you should mention this. I have been trying to backup a directory full of mp3 files to a CD-RW. They just REFUSE to write/recover properly. I can backup the rest of the system with no problem, but not those mp3's. IT may be yet another case of CD-RW problems.(?). I may try burning them to a CD-R ... But I've got a pile of coasters now... I will probably just invest in a spindle of 100 of them, get it over with. Also, I tried writing the latest beta iso to a CD-RW. But nooo.. The CD-RW drive is new, as are the disks. They burn ok, but if I move the CD to the other (older) drive, and try to boot the box from it.. No go. I can't even mount them on that drive. If I burn the ISOs to a CD-R, all works like it should. I bought the CD-RW's thinking Great for temp storage. But no.. I've had far too many problems with them. I wish I had my DAT Drive with me. Can't beat tape for backups. :) Sadly, it's in my server in Seattle, and I'm STILL stuck in Florida... sigh... Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
The problem is the software manufacturers/programmers TRY to use ALL avail resources the HW can supportincluding what the languages they are writing in. If we could still create programs based on HW that is 5 years old using programming languages (real ones like C/C++/Java, Basic, early versions of VBno c# or .NET, etc) then the world would be a better place. This is of course in my opinion which i have dabbled in everything EXCEPT MS languageswont even go there. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of et Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates I have noticed that Redhat, and M$ has lately published listing reguardiing expected support cycles, and all of them are shorter than what most people expect for manufactured products, but this is the way of things, and even more so with computers, since the hardware is planned to be obsolete in 3 to 4 years anyway. the real problem (from my narrow little pinhole viewpoint) is the need for applications needing all the computing power available. while most companies got P3 M$ windows boxes, they still use them to emmulate access to a termanel off the server, or run word. stuff they could have done with the wyse monochrom termanal they threw away to have pretty colors. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
Sorry for coming in late. I seem to be able to mount /mnt/cdrom2 without a cd being in the drive... Yes. once you have enabled supermount in the fstab, you have to call mount /mnt/cdrom2 to actually activate it. And from the moment that's done, it all seems to work... if I insert a cd, its contents are correctly displayed, I can eject it without unmounting, and I can replace the cd and it will detect that and get its contents right again... Good. so it's working. so that would mean I should just remove the noauto from fstab, and I should be fine? noauto is a parameter that means that this drive is NOT included in the list when you tell the fstab to mount everything. for example, when you issue an mount -a (this means 'mount every drive listed in the fstab) drives with the noauto flag are skipped, and thus, say unmounted.. Is that how it works? seems so. Thanks Hans Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
That fits with my experience. Also, if you panic and umount it from c/l you tend to upset it. Closing all, as you say, usually does it. One variatioon on your experience is that it may open and immediately close before you could possibly remove the disk. It then automatically mounts the disk again, and you are back at square one until you've found what's bugging it. I just make sure everything's closed, now. This is a bug in konq, and apparently, it's being worked out for MDK9.1, since i read a longish thread about it. The problem is quite simple: Konq likes to update the directories it's showing. for example, use konqueror to navigate to a directory, and then delete one file from a terminal. the directory view in konqueror gets updated almost immediately. When konqueror is showing the contents of a CD (or was showing is and therefore it's in the 'history') and you remove the CD, konq tries to see what changed, and this triggers the remount of the CD instantly. Damian -- -- I don't want Windows to be only for the 31173. Yes, we've come a long way from all those security holes, virii, and cryptic commands like Edit textfile.txt (what in the hell is that supposed to mean?) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 16:02, et wrote: in bios, turn plug and play aware OS to off I don't have this option. I am now trying to install the newest kernel from the cooker as Tom Brinkman advised -- --- Dragos Birkoff Dionisie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator Evenimentul zilei www.evz.ro --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:40 am, Birkoff wrote: Hello I have a MSI MS-6580 motherboard with 845PE chipset The problem is that when mdk9 boots it gives me PCI device 0:1f:1 was disabled because of resource collision and because of that the computer behaves like a 486 when it comes about reading/writing on the disks. is there any patch for the default 2.4.19 kernel witch comes with the mdk9? or a newer kernel from mandrake? I can try to install a fresh new kernel from kernel.org but I am afraid that the original kernel was patched and particularised by MDK team. any other suggestions are welcomed. TIA Well I will add that to the chronicle about 845 Chipsets. Hmm if you have any boards on the PCI bus try relocating them, preferably AWAY from the AGP slot. But you may have a hardware problem built into the board. I have reports of filesystem corruption on win2K and linux 2.4.19 with that chipset. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:33, Damian Gatabria wrote: so that would mean I should just remove the noauto from fstab, and I should be fine? noauto is a parameter that means that this drive is NOT included in the list when you tell the fstab to mount everything. for example, when you issue an mount -a (this means 'mount every drive listed in the fstab) drives with the noauto flag are skipped, and thus, say unmounted.. Well yes... what I mean was that I should remove the noauto parameter so that supermount will be enabled and working on the next reboot... Otherwise, the supermount module will still be loaded, but it wouldn't work again when I reboot, unless I'd manually mount it to activate, as you said... So removing the noauto option would make sure the system activates on reboot, which is the desired behaviour I guess... Thanks to all replying people.. Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 03:03 am, Robert Wideman wrote: Yes. Supermount is evil. This is the first thing i disable after an install. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SainTiss Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:58 AM To: MDKexpert Mailing Subject: [expert] supermount hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Thanks Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 Well if you installed without supermount and put in a kernel with it installed and enabled, the /etc/fstab lines will not be set for supermount Here are some lines that work for one rig, and should be translatable to your situation... none /mnt/cdrom supermount dev=/dev/scd0,fs=auto,ro,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 none /mnt/floppy supermount dev=/dev/fd0,fs=auto,--,iocharset=iso8859-1,sync,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 1:40 pm, Damian Gatabria wrote: That fits with my experience. Also, if you panic and umount it from c/l you tend to upset it. Closing all, as you say, usually does it. One variatioon on your experience is that it may open and immediately close before you could possibly remove the disk. It then automatically mounts the disk again, and you are back at square one until you've found what's bugging it. I just make sure everything's closed, now. This is a bug in konq, and apparently, it's being worked out for MDK9.1, since i read a longish thread about it. The problem is quite simple: Konq likes to update the directories it's showing. for example, use konqueror to navigate to a directory, and then delete one file from a terminal. the directory view in konqueror gets updated almost immediately. When konqueror is showing the contents of a CD (or was showing is and therefore it's in the 'history') and you remove the CD, konq tries to see what changed, and this triggers the remount of the CD instantly. That makes sense. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 05:11 am, Tibbetts, Ric wrote: civileme wrote: Well google around and you can find scdbackup which is oriented toward 650Mb disks. And I have tested it to work on 9.0 with supermount disabled, and a $25.95(US) CDRW drive which is rated 4x4x24 Even with that, the drive barfs on CDRW media, even for blanking, with 9.0 DO NOT USE CDRW media for this either--most of it is 650 and there are MANY supposed CDRW drives which will not work with CDRW media of the more modern flavor or insist on trying to treat all the CDRW media as 700Mb capacity. Civileme Interesting that you should mention this. I have been trying to backup a directory full of mp3 files to a CD-RW. They just REFUSE to write/recover properly. I can backup the rest of the system with no problem, but not those mp3's. IT may be yet another case of CD-RW problems.(?). I may try burning them to a CD-R ... But I've got a pile of coasters now... I will probably just invest in a spindle of 100 of them, get it over with. Also, I tried writing the latest beta iso to a CD-RW. But nooo.. The CD-RW drive is new, as are the disks. They burn ok, but if I move the CD to the other (older) drive, and try to boot the box from it.. No go. I can't even mount them on that drive. If I burn the ISOs to a CD-R, all works like it should. I bought the CD-RW's thinking Great for temp storage. But no.. I've had far too many problems with them. I wish I had my DAT Drive with me. Can't beat tape for backups. :) Sadly, it's in my server in Seattle, and I'm STILL stuck in Florida... sigh... Ric I will beat on tape for backup. MY tape drive faithfully backed up once a week and I rotated 6 tapes to stay current. (MAC fileserver 80). Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. The employer was too cheap to give me a separate workstation, so it was my six years of work that was lost. For the same reason, it was risky to try restoring from tape though I had always done one file a month. Anyway, the tapes were stretched and dirty and the drive was unusable. I have been burning CDs since that time, even when the burns were at 1X. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
SainTiss wrote: hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Thanks Hans you need to reboot the computer after doing a 'supermount -i enable' to get supermount to read the fstab file. -- Alan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
On Wednesday February 5 2003 10:44 am, Birkoff wrote: On Wednesday 05 February 2003 16:02, et wrote: in bios, turn plug and play aware OS to off I don't have this option. I am now trying to install the newest kernel from the cooker as Tom Brinkman advised Well, if the latest kernel doesn't do it for you (I've seen mixed reactions on cooker), keep tryin future ones. Everybody from kernel.org to Mandrake's team is aware of i845 problems and they are workin on 'em. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Load balancer
Hey guys! Is anyone using a Linux box with software as a load balancer between 2 web servers? If so what software? I have been looking and have found: http://www.turbolinux.com/products/tcs/index.html http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ Any comments? Thanks in advance. Dan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Load balancer
If you would have read the archives i just asked this question 3 times this week and got the LVS suggestion. Have fun Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Belkie, Dan Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:35 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [expert] Load balancer Hey guys! Is anyone using a Linux box with software as a load balancer between 2 web servers? If so what software? I have been looking and have found: http://www.turbolinux.com/products/tcs/index.html http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ Any comments? Thanks in advance. Dan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ICH4 on MDK9 resource collision
I've tried everything. but the board comes with sound and lan on board. i've disabled everything from the BIOS. it had nothing activated/instalated but the video card. but it didn't work. I solved the problem with the latest kernel from the cooker. now it seems to work just fine (21-28 Mb/sec speed on the IDE instead of only 1,8-2 Mb before the update) Thank you all for advices. Well I will add that to the chronicle about 845 Chipsets. Hmm if you have any boards on the PCI bus try relocating them, preferably AWAY from the AGP slot. But you may have a hardware problem built into the board. I have reports of filesystem corruption on win2K and linux 2.4.19 with that chipset. Civileme -- --- Dragos Birkoff Dionisie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator Evenimentul zilei www.evz.ro --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] new 9.0 install dropping ssh/dns traffic
That did the trick, thanks to Jack and the other people who responded. --chris At 01:18 PM 2/4/2003, Jack wrote: /etc/hosts.allow On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 11:00, Christopher Kolar wrote: Hi. I recently had an 8.x box go up in flames, so I rebuilt it with a clean install of 9.0. I configured the firewall using the control center to allow WWW, SMTP, DNS, and SSH traffic inbound. While mail and web traffic is flowing in normally, traffic to named and sshd on ports 53/22 respectively are being closed. Shorewall appears to be configured properly when I look at the rules, and a port scan from another host shows those ports as being available. I would appreciate any advice that can be offered, I figure that I missed something that may be a more or less obvious change made since I last had to spend time configuring my network connectivity. Thanks, --chris /\/\ Christopher G. Kolar Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72 Information literacy news, tools, and programs: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com /\/\ Christopher G. Kolar Coordinator of Information and Technology Integration Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar -- PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72 Information literacy news, tools, and programs: [EMAIL PROTECTED]edu
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wed Feb 05, 2003 at 01:03:42AM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote:
Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single
supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new
laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage
to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's
see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product
life cycle is t short.
Don't even begin comparing us to Microsoft. You should know better.
How much cash does Microsoft have in reserve? How much does
MandrakeSoft?
'nuff said.
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Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:32 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote: you need to reboot the computer after doing a 'supermount -i enable' to get supermount to read the fstab file. grin I think you can do a mount -a and get away with the same thing without rebooting... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Load balancer
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:35 pm, Belkie, Dan wrote: Hey guys! Is anyone using a Linux box with software as a load balancer between 2 web servers? If so what software? I have been looking and have found: http://www.turbolinux.com/products/tcs/index.html http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ Any comments? Thanks in advance. Dan would Mandrake Clic be some of what you have in mind? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Load balancer
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:35 pm, Belkie, Dan wrote: Hey guys! Is anyone using a Linux box with software as a load balancer between 2 web servers? If so what software? I have been looking and have found: http://www.turbolinux.com/products/tcs/index.html http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ Any comments? Thanks in advance. Dan As this thread got me wondering, I thought I would look at more info on Mandrake Clic, and on this page; http://clic.mandrakesoft.com/index-en.html; I noticed what I think might be a typo, [EMAIL PROTECTED] or is it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: RE: [expert] supermount
I haven't installed the kernel-updates, but I'm assuming that you turned supermount off with the original kernel. If that's correct, have you turned it back on (supermount enable or whatever the actual command is). Just updating the kernel won't automatically turn it back on for you. Joeb p.s. if you have tried enabling it, then forgive this question! ---Original Message--- From: SainTiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02/05/03 06:37 AM To: MDKexpert Mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] supermount Well, I reasoned that way too when I first installed 9.0, but the docs of the kernel-updates specifically mention supermount as being rewritten and fixed... Hans On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 13:03, Robert Wideman wrote: Yes. Supermount is evil. This is the first thing i disable after an install. Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of SainTiss Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 5:58 AM To: MDKexpert Mailing Subject: [expert] supermount hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Thanks Hans -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates? Hans Schippers 1LIC INF UIA 2002-2003 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 5:17 pm, civileme wrote: I will beat on tape for backup. MY tape drive faithfully backed up once a week and I rotated 6 tapes to stay current. (MAC fileserver 80). Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. The employer was too cheap to give me a separate workstation, so it was my six years of work that was lost. For the same reason, it was risky to try restoring from tape though I had always done one file a month. Anyway, the tapes were stretched and dirty and the drive was unusable. In our small company we did a fullbackup on Friday and incremental for the rest of the week. The software had tape rotation built into it, so it asked for a specific tape. The backup was, of course, always done when everyone closed down for the night, and there were very many times when I came in next morning to find that it hadn't been done, because the tape header was not readable, so it sat there waiting for a new tape. In the event, when we had a burglary the tape did restore, but I never really trusted it because of those problems. I used to save to LS120 disks and email myself files too big for that, just in case. I have been burning CDs since that time, even when the burns were at 1X. Talking of which - do you know any site with information on the different grades of media, with regard to lifespan. I'm careful with storage, but I'm aware that the media I'm using are not really suitable for longer storage. I just don't know how to choose the right ones. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 07:39 am, Anne Wilson wrote: There must be some oddity about supermount, though. It works beautifully on my box, yet others have endless problems. Of course, it may be that other customisation/choices are affecting it - don't know about that. Anne Ditto here, Anne - it works great on my 9 year olds Shuttle MB system and does odd things on my Soyo Dragon Plus... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 6:24 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: On Wed Feb 05, 2003 at 01:03:42AM -0800, James Sparenberg wrote: Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product life cycle is t short. Don't even begin comparing us to Microsoft. You should know better. How much cash does Microsoft have in reserve? How much does MandrakeSoft? There has to be a limit as to what is affordable in the way of support. When it comes down to it, only security is an issue to someone continuing to use an older distro if they choose to do so. If maintaining security updates is too difficult, might it be feasible to maintain a page of link to security updates that those running crucial servers could use? Since those users are most likely to compile their own, it sounds feasible. What do you think? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wed Feb 05, 2003 at 06:44:05PM +, Anne Wilson wrote:
Great. after september 30 this year I won't have a single
supportable box U Gentlemen. Are you going to give me new
laptops with my 9.1 distro? It wouldn't be a problem if I could manage
to get software that would last as long as my hardware... well... let's
see 8 years on Win95 ... 6 on 98 .. h me thinks the product
life cycle is t short.
Don't even begin comparing us to Microsoft. You should know better.
How much cash does Microsoft have in reserve? How much does
MandrakeSoft?
There has to be a limit as to what is affordable in the way of support. When
it comes down to it, only security is an issue to someone continuing to use
an older distro if they choose to do so. If maintaining security updates is
too difficult, might it be feasible to maintain a page of link to security
updates that those running crucial servers could use? Since those users are
most likely to compile their own, it sounds feasible. What do you think?
That's what MandrakeSecure, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing
list, updates for newer distribs, are all for.
Put it this way: Subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you should
already be subscribed if you care about security anyways)... you will
be alerted on new updates whether they are security or bugfix. The
advisory indicates what packages are updated, for what distrib, and
what the problem is.
Visit http://www.mandrakesecure.net/advisories/ if you don't want to
subscribe. The advisories for each platform are there.
Download the src.rpm indicated in the advisory. Either attempt to
rebuild it for your old distrib, or extract the patches and apply it to
whatever version you're currently using (backporting is likely
necessary).
The information is already all there, and I'm willing to bet that
people who haven't upgraded their 7.1 machines are using this
information to keep their 7.1 system relatively current.
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Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 19:08 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Talking of which - do you know any site with information on the different grades of media, with regard to lifespan. I'm careful with storage, but I'm aware that the media I'm using are not really suitable for longer storage. I just don't know how to choose the right ones. I don't have a link but there is one important factor: CDs also are vulnerable by wrong or careless handling. Don't ever touch the surface with your fingers because this leaves tiny fat particles. Store them in a dark room with medium temperature and low humidity. best bet were the cased media but I doubt there are any more drives for cased media. Only under these conditions you can think of real storage time like 10 years. I still have a set of 5.25 floppies with some dbaseIII data on them. They are still readable after 11 years due to good handling. Of course I have transferred the data to CD now but I'm just curious how long those floppies will last. wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 8:12 pm, Vincent Danen wrote: That's what MandrakeSecure, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, updates for newer distribs, are all for. Put it this way: Subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you should already be subscribed if you care about security anyways)... you will be alerted on new updates whether they are security or bugfix. The advisory indicates what packages are updated, for what distrib, and what the problem is. Visit http://www.mandrakesecure.net/advisories/ if you don't want to subscribe. The advisories for each platform are there. Download the src.rpm indicated in the advisory. Either attempt to rebuild it for your old distrib, or extract the patches and apply it to whatever version you're currently using (backporting is likely necessary). The information is already all there, and I'm willing to bet that people who haven't upgraded their 7.1 machines are using this information to keep their 7.1 system relatively current. So if this part of the support is going to continue there really isn't any need to panic? Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 05 February 2003 12:32 pm, Alan Shoemaker wrote: you need to reboot the computer after doing a 'supermount -i enable' to get supermount to read the fstab file. grin I think you can do a mount -a and get away with the same thing without rebooting... maybe, but i think there may be something beyond just that done in the initscripts. anyway i never saw in this thread anyone mentioning doing either one. :) -- Alan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
civileme wrote: Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. That's what the verify feature of your backup program is there for. It take twice the time and it'll probably cause more wear and tear on the tape but at least you'll know the tape is readable. Bye -- Luca Olivetti Note.- This message reached you today, it may not tomorrow if you are using MAPS or other RBL. They arbitrarily IP addresses not related in any way to spam, disrupting Internet connectivity. See http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/21/1944247 and http://theory.whirlycott.com/~phil/antispam/rbl-bad/rbl-bad.html msg65640/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 9:48 pm, Luca Olivetti wrote: civileme wrote: Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. That's what the verify feature of your backup program is there for. It take twice the time and it'll probably cause more wear and tear on the tape but at least you'll know the tape is readable. 'Fraid not. I was running backup with full verify, but it still didn't stop the drive from refusing the tape next time, saying it couldn't read it. And I was using good quality branded DAT tapes. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
Anne Wilson wrote: That's what the verify feature of your backup program is there for. It take twice the time and it'll probably cause more wear and tear on the tape but at least you'll know the tape is readable. 'Fraid not. I was running backup with full verify, but it still didn't stop the drive from refusing the tape next time, saying it couldn't read it. And I was using good quality branded DAT tapes. You just scared me to death. I had no problem reding the tapes to restore some files from time to time (when a user deleted them by mistake), but I guess murphy's law applies here: in case of disaster the tape won't be readable :-( Bye -- Luca Olivetti Note.- This message reached you today, it may not tomorrow if you are using MAPS or other RBL. They arbitrarily IP addresses not related in any way to spam, disrupting Internet connectivity. See http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/05/21/1944247 and http://theory.whirlycott.com/~phil/antispam/rbl-bad/rbl-bad.html msg65642/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:00, Anne Wilson wrote: On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 9:48 pm, Luca Olivetti wrote: civileme wrote: Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. That's what the verify feature of your backup program is there for. It take twice the time and it'll probably cause more wear and tear on the tape but at least you'll know the tape is readable. 'Fraid not. I was running backup with full verify, but it still didn't stop the drive from refusing the tape next time, saying it couldn't read it. And I was using good quality branded DAT tapes. Anne After using and selling Enterprise IT products and services for nearly ten years, I do not trust any backup solution as far as I can throw the media. They all more or less suck, and exist purely to give a false sense of security and we did our due diligence to the purchaser. I use and recommend to those who ask for an honest opinion the Linus Torvalds backup strategy: Real men upload their important data to FTP servers and let the world download it. That doesn't mean to upload your corporate database, but it does mean to replicate the data to other locations and use hard disks. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with .rpmmacros / rpm build setup
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[jim@enigma jim]$ rpm -ivh samba-2.2.7a-3mdk.src.rpm
error: cannot create %sourcedir /%{/lclusr/jim}/rpm/SOURCES
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mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SPECS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/BUILD
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/tmp
Blue skies... Todd
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Re: [expert] supermount
SainTiss wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:58:18PM +0100 : hi, I've just installed the kernel update, and enabled supermount, but when I insert a cdrom, it still doesn't mount automatically did I miss something here? Paste your /etc/fstab. Paste the results of 'mount'. Paste the results of 'lsmod'. Blue skies... Todd -- Todd Lyons -- MandrakeSoft, Inc. http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk msg65645/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] supermount
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:46:54PM + : I'm not sure what the -- is doing there, so I tried removing it, but to no avail... I couldn't figure that one out either. The options that come before the -- are for supermount itself. The options that come after the -- are for the target filesystem that supermount will eventually be using. Think of supermount as just a front end for the real filesystem module that will actually be reading the media. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Easy things should be easy, and hard things should be possible. --Larry Wall Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+QZDblp7v05cW2woRAoBtAJ9K4I4uAOiiKGOhP9PZ52FPAnLCKwCguWgp fwAW8J4+iHlmMDb+NUojt1M= =05oK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:39:49PM + : Well, I reasoned that way too when I first installed 9.0, but the docs of the kernel-updates specifically mention supermount as being rewritten and fixed... There must be some oddity about supermount, though. It works beautifully on my box, yet others have endless problems. Of course, it may be that other customisation/choices are affecting it - don't know about that. Yes, the update kernel is a fix for all of those that were having problems. It doesn't fix every problem known under the sun, but for 98% of the uses, it works properly. Blue skies... Todd - -- | MandrakeSoft USA | Sometimes you get what you want. | | http://www.mandrakesoft.com | Sometimes you get experience.| | http://www.mandrakelinux.com |--unknown origin | Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+QZFClp7v05cW2woRAnW5AJ42bV68JfLWRmEmFGgsHKUegEmTAwCfaooS Xghhqu7xOkA5+s6EzZOj+E8= =F7Cu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
From: Luca Olivetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] You just scared me to death. I had no problem reding the tapes to restore some files from time to time (when a user deleted them by mistake), but I guess murphy's law applies here: in case of disaster the tape won't be readable :-( Absolutely! That's the one thing you can be sure of. The tape always works, until the disaster. But the one time you realy need it, no go. It has happened to me too. Brian _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 10:31 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anne Wilson wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 12:46:54PM + : I'm not sure what the -- is doing there, so I tried removing it, but to no avail... I couldn't figure that one out either. The options that come before the -- are for supermount itself. The options that come after the -- are for the target filesystem that supermount will eventually be using. Think of supermount as just a front end for the real filesystem module that will actually be reading the media. Thank you Todd. Noted. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 10:16 pm, Jack Coates wrote: After using and selling Enterprise IT products and services for nearly ten years, I do not trust any backup solution as far as I can throw the media. They all more or less suck, and exist purely to give a false sense of security and we did our due diligence to the purchaser. I use and recommend to those who ask for an honest opinion the Linus Torvalds backup strategy: Real men upload their important data to FTP servers and let the world download it. That doesn't mean to upload your corporate database, but it does mean to replicate the data to other locations and use hard disks. My feelings exactly. I didn't have access to expensive high-tech equipment, but I did have more backups of one sort or another of everything that I considered important than you can believe. Everyone thought I was mad. Then one night, burglars struck. My backups worked. Ten days after the burglary, they struck again. My backups worked. Despite trying desperately to plug all possible ways of entrance, the next time they came they ram-raided the front door, and again took the file server and backup drive. My backups did work, even this time. And the upshot of that was that I was still able to get insurance, which I would not otherwise have got, I believe. Yet in spite of all that, I still could not bring myself to trust a system that rejected its own tapes with such regularity. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
On Wednesday 05 Feb 2003 10:39 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Yet in spite of all that, I still could not bring myself to trust a system that rejected its own tapes with such regularity. I would just add that no-one laughed or complained again at my paranoid backup strategy. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake RPM updates
On Wed Feb 05, 2003 at 08:23:57PM +, Anne Wilson wrote:
That's what MandrakeSecure, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing
list, updates for newer distribs, are all for.
Put it this way: Subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (you should
already be subscribed if you care about security anyways)... you will
be alerted on new updates whether they are security or bugfix. The
advisory indicates what packages are updated, for what distrib, and
what the problem is.
Visit http://www.mandrakesecure.net/advisories/ if you don't want to
subscribe. The advisories for each platform are there.
Download the src.rpm indicated in the advisory. Either attempt to
rebuild it for your old distrib, or extract the patches and apply it to
whatever version you're currently using (backporting is likely
necessary).
The information is already all there, and I'm willing to bet that
people who haven't upgraded their 7.1 machines are using this
information to keep their 7.1 system relatively current.
So if this part of the support is going to continue there really isn't any
need to panic?
I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll take a stab at it. Will
MandrakeSecure continue to publish advisories? Yes. Will advisories
continue to go to the mailing lists? Yes. Will update srpms still
remain publically available? Absolutely.
It depends on how much work you want to do. You can either update to a
newer distrib, and do the work to do the migration, or do the work
patching/maintaining your old distrib. It's up to you... the tools
will always be there.
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Re: [expert] drakbackup
[cnip] I will beat on tape for backup. MY tape drive faithfully backed up once a week and I rotated 6 tapes to stay current. (MAC fileserver 80). This is how all tape backup sucks stories start. Then one day I arrived at work to find the fileserver unresponsive. I eventually powered down and found the disk would not boot and enough of it was corrupted to make the rest inaccessible. OK no problem, data is on tapes, let's reload OS--- done reach for tape Oops--tape is unreadable reach for two week old tape--E gee that one is no good either Tapes sent to data recovery service--well whattayaknow They charged quite a bit to give me the bad news that six years of work was lost. Someone didn't verify the backup, same problem can happen with a CD. You must verify the backup was good or the backup could be a waste. The employer was too cheap to give me a separate workstation, so it was my six years of work that was lost. For the same reason, it was risky to try restoring from tape though I had always done one file a month. Anyway, the tapes were stretched and dirty and the drive was unusable. Just like new CD's need to be bought for backups, new tapes must be also. I have been burning CDs since that time, even when the burns were at 1X. Civileme CD's (almost) are worthless for real backups. I backup around 300GB a night in just incrementals. Full backup is well over 3TB. CD's are fine for small data size backups, but that doesn't make tape backups bad. This is done with one tape robot, 2 drives, and amanda (only one drive is used right now because of a limitation in amanda). Once a Raid box died (one of the three power supplies caught on fire and burned up the disks). It happened at 6pm, we had everything back online from tape backup within 8 hours (with a spare Raid box). A total of 1.1TB of data was restored. Try doing that on CD! If each CD was 700MB how many CD's would I swap? well over 100. How long would it take todo a full backup to CD? A fellow Sysadmin backs up 3-5TB in incrementals a day. 8 drives in 2 cabnets with 2 robots. All tape. I know your talking about small backups when your say CD. However, if done properly, tape still wins. Such a small backup size can easily verify each tape for each backup. Before you start beating on tapes, use better procedures for your tape backup system. -- Bryan Whitehead SysAdmin - JPL - Interferometry Systems and Technology Phone: 818 354 2903 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 daRcmaTTeR wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:08:29PM -0500 : I'm not mad. I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list. Ok...but whats SNR? Maybe I should have written S/N Ratio instead. It's an acronym for Signal to Noise Ratio. It's an electronics term. Any signal coming in will have a certain amount of noise that it has to compete with. The SNR is the strength of good signal versus the strength of the noise. In terms of a mailing list, it means that we want more ontopic posts than offtopic posts, where the desired quantity of offtopic posts is equal to zero. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+QZtUlp7v05cW2woRAsoNAKDKzmQQ5MFsz7D0t6fbj/a1+GJKrACfcEyu MXSBIfoBfKpN3EfycfxdxMI= =OaJJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with .rpmmacros / rpm build setup
Thanks but I got this one already. Now I am trying to fight my way
through the spec file. Know of any place where there are docs on these?
Jim C.
Todd Lyons wrote:
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Jim C wrote on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:11:23PM -0800 :
I am stuck at the rpm install. I think I probably have a macro wrong
somewhere. Note that jim is a local user with home directory named
/lclusr/jim.
[jim@enigma jim]$ rpm -ivh samba-2.2.7a-3mdk.src.rpm
error: cannot create %sourcedir /%{/lclusr/jim}/rpm/SOURCES
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS/i586
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS/noarch
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SRPMS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SOURCES
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SPECS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/BUILD
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/tmp
Blue skies... Todd
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[expert] ksensors dependaces
Hi,I'm tring to install ksensors but got dependance error on libGLcore.so.1. I've looked around the MDK9 cds but didn't found anything. Can someone tell me what's wrong? TIA Evaristo -- Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] drakbackup
I'm a CPA in my real life and I decided to go with removable hard drives for our office network. I just setup a mandrake server and use samba to backup up the NT fileserver right on to the removable hard drive. I have a set of shell scripts that mount the NT fileserver directories and cron runs it everynight at 11pm. It does about 3GBs of data. Then I shutdown and swap hard drive so I have a drive rotated offsite to my house. I usually swap hard drives every few days. I have the mandrake server running headless and use SSH to access it from home or from my windows 2k desktop at work. For a small network like mine it is so easy to setup and run. Robert Barry __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] ip rules help
On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, drake wrote: [root]# ip rule list RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument Dump terminated [root]# ip rule ls RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument Dump terminated Now what do I do? Drake, what the heck it is? I've never heard of it, but i only get three lines returned when I issue the command. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] supermount
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 06:17 am, SainTiss wrote: On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 14:08, Anne Wilson wrote: I tried changing users to user, but that didn't make it work either... Shot in the dark, Hans. I know some parts of this statement are position-sensitive, but I don't know which ones. Try moving the 'user' forward. Didn't help either, but thanks for the tip... this is what I did to get it working: 1) upgrade kernel and reboot 2) enable supermount in MDK CC 3) check that supermount is loaded with lsmod 4) put a cd in the cd-player 5) wait and see nothing happen 6) cd /mnt/cdrom2 and nothing happens... Ummm I know this is a terribly stupid question but did you do an ls /mnt/cdrom2? The supermount stuff is black magic and I don't think I like it at all, but for me I have to try access it before anything happens. ?? Hans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Problem with .rpmmacros / rpm build setup
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 03:40 pm, Jim C wrote:
Thanks but I got this one already. Now I am trying to fight my way
through the spec file. Know of any place where there are docs on these?
Jim C.
Todd Lyons wrote:
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Jim C wrote on Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 10:11:23PM -0800 :
I am stuck at the rpm install. I think I probably have a macro wrong
somewhere. Note that jim is a local user with home directory named
/lclusr/jim.
[jim@enigma jim]$ rpm -ivh samba-2.2.7a-3mdk.src.rpm
error: cannot create %sourcedir /%{/lclusr/jim}/rpm/SOURCES
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS/i586
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/RPMS/noarch
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SRPMS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SOURCES
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/SPECS
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/BUILD
mkdir /lcluser/jim/rpm/tmp
Blue skies... Todd
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Ummm, I searched unsuccesfully for docs on those--best thing I can think of is
to rpm -i something.src.rpm from srpms for mandrake and then look at the spec
files others have made. Some of them have really artful dodges and many will
give you clues how to do it.
There is the rpm howto at
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/howtos/mdk-rpm/
which explains a lot of the procedure including the spec file.
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Re: [expert] supermount
On Wed, 2003-02-05 at 20:50, Lorne wrote: 5) wait and see nothing happen 6) cd /mnt/cdrom2 and nothing happens... Ummm I know this is a terribly stupid question but did you do an ls /mnt/cdrom2? The supermount stuff is black magic and I don't think I like it at all, but for me I have to try access it before anything happens. ?? Hans With supermount a cd should cause drive activity. If I was testing however, I too would have done an ls on the drive to check and make sure. LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Seth Zirin wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 09:59, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: I REALLY need some fast help with a simple statistics question but I am not real strong on statistics. I have a question regarding Fisher's exact: is it a legitimate test to run on a particular set of data I have. I need help fast. Anyone with knowledge about this who can help me...I would be eternally grateful. How is this even remotely related to Mandrake Linux? Why are you wasting everyone's resources for unrelated math questions that you could likely answer yourself with five minutes of effort searching google? Seth Seth, it's related provided you've been a contributing list member for at least 6 months to a year. :) -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, et wrote: I take responsibility for posting OT on the list. I would do it again but perhaps in doing so I should have specified an off-list, direct reply to me rather than in the list. Newsgroups are sometimes too slow and I needed info ASAP (like within an hour or so). sniped a bunch I am on this list to learn, and I must say, in this thread I learned a few things, and that made MY day (to learn something new), so for me at least this thread was very good. same here for me et. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
