[FairfieldLife] SCOOP! -- preview of the benefit concert set list

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
We here at Music For Meditators have recieved the
inside poop on some of the songs to be performed
at tonight's gala benefit concert. 

The concert will supposedly open with Paul Horn
(flutist) performing songs from his last (and only)
hit album, 1972's "Inside." Rumors have it that he
wanted the promoters to rebuild the entire Taj Mahal
onstage for him so that he could emulate the acoustic
effects he got from playing inside it on the album,
but that the TM cheapskates refused, so he's going
to have to make do with echo loops.

Next will come Paul McCartney, setting the tone of
the evening with a rendition of his song, Spin It On.

His and Ringo's full set list is still unclear, but
we know that it will contain a medley of songs dedi-
cated to the theme of aging gracefully, including:
Crackin' Up, Medicine Jar, Don't Get Around Much 
Anymore and Live And Let Die.

Next up will be Moby, singing his sattvic hits When 
It's Cold I'd Like To Die, That's When I Reach For 
My Revolver, and (appropriately) Great Escape. He
will finish up with a touching "personal memoir
medley" of One Minute Man and Sleep Alone.

Eddie Vedder will perform a medley of Love Boat 
Captain and Dangers Of Love, which some say is his
autobiographical retelling of the fateful night on
a yacht with a dozen groupies that went so so wrong.

Sheryl Crow promises a somewhat steamier set, with
a set of tunes dedicated to sex and sexuality: If It 
Makes You Happy, Body Kiss, Mr. Goodbar, All I Wanna 
Do, and Love Is All There Is.

Finally, the whole ensemble will gather onstage and
sing The Fool On The Hill and Listen To What The Man 
Said. 

The encore will be a group performance of Sexy Sadie.





[FairfieldLife] Karma Chameleon

2009-04-04 Thread Robert
Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you right on the head
You better get yourself together
Pretty soon youre gonna be dead
What in the world you thinking of
Laughing in the face of love
What on earth you tryin to do
Its up to you, yeah you

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna look you right in the face
Better get yourself together darlin
Join the human race
How in the world you gonna see
Laughin at fools like me
Who in the hell dyou think you are
A super star
Well, right you are

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Evryone come on

Instant karmas gonna get you
Gonna knock you off your feet
Better recognize your brothers
Evryone you meet
Why in the world are we here
Surely not to live in pain and fear
Why on earth are you there
When youre evrywhere
Come and get your share

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Come on and on and on on on
Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
On and on and on on and on

Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Well we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun
Yeah we all shine on
Like the moon and the stars and the sun

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[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> Can be viewd here :
> http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/

Having finally had time to watch yesterday's press
conference, I'll spend a little time rapping about 
my impressions of it. I have to say that 1) there 
is little question that these people are all well-
meaning and that their hearts are in the right 
places, but 2) many of them are *really* not 
the sharpest pencils in the box.

I'd never seen David Lynch speak before. Now I know
why, if his quote in the subject line is an indication 
of *how* he speaks. Ringo was jetlagged and thus 
rambling and near-incoherent, but he was rambling 
and near-incoherent nonetheless. Bob Roth looked like 
he's training in preparation for entering the "Keith 
Richards Who Can Look The Most Dead While Still Being 
Technically Alive" contest.

Hagelin was comfortable in front of the cameras and
a good speaker, but on the whole his schtick reminded 
me of the TV preachers who raise money while invoking 
the "poor children." By comparison Russell Simmons 
struck me as more intelligent. Donovan has *never* 
been the sharpest pencil in the box, and upheld 
that tradition masterfully.

Paul Horn was cool; it was good to see him again. On
the other hand, it wasn't good to see Mike Love, who
is still the same near-illiterate asshole I knew and
tolerated so many years ago. ("It brought tears to my 
mind.") Moby was good, except that he outgrew his idea 
that TM involved ritual animal sacrifice...someone 
should tell him about the Vedic horse sacrifice :-) 
He at least can speak without interjecting "Like" 
every 3 words...uh...like Mike.

As always, after trotting out the personalities, then
they trotted out the science, introduced again by a
surprisingly not-well-spoken Lynch. I now understand
my Internet friend's stories about the years she spent
as Lynch's secretary and the difficulties she had 
explaining simple facets of real life to him. The 
teachers themselves, by comparison, were literate 
and good presenters.

Personally, I watched it hoping to see Sheryl Crow,
and was a little disappointed she wasn't there. I like
her music, and she's not exactly hard to look at. But 
no.

Anyway, on the whole I thought it was an *effective*
press conference, given what it attempted to do (sell
TM by getting people emotionally pumped up about the
poor "children at risk"). I hope the concert is good
and the attendees get their money's worth. The per-
formers are all professionals, so I'm pretty sure 
that the music will be good.

As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
do think that kids would benefit from learning a 
simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
problematic because I honestly believe that the way
it's taught and explained in followup talks is 
religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
decide that.

But as for the concert itself, I hope that any lurkers
here who are attending enjoy it, and that they come
back and give us their first-hand impressions.





[FairfieldLife] 'Welcome to Iowa/The Gay State'

2009-04-04 Thread Robert
DES MOINES, Iowa – Gay marriage, seemingly the providence of the nation's two 
coasts, is just weeks away from penetrating the heartland and it appears there 
is nothing social conservatives can do immediately to stop it.
The Iowa Supreme Court on Friday unanimously upheld a lower-court ruling that 
rejected a state law restricting marriage to a union between a man and woman. 
Now gays and lesbians may exchange vows as soon as April 24 following the 
landmark decision.
The county attorney who defended the law said he would not seek a rehearing. 
The only recourse for opponents appeared to be a constitutional amendment, 
which couldn't get on the ballot until 2012 at the earliest.
"I would say the mood is one of mourning right now in a lot of ways," said a 
dejected Bryan English, spokesman for the Iowa Family Policy Center, a 
conservative group that opposes same-sex marriage.
In the meantime, same-sex marriage opponents may try to enact residency 
requirements for marriage so that gays and lesbians from across the country 
could not travel to Iowa to wed.
U.S. Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, urged the Legislature to do so, saying he feared 
without residency requirements Iowa would "become the gay marriage mecca."
Only Massachusetts and Connecticut currently permit same-sex marriage. For six 
months last year, California's high court allowed gay marriage before voters 
banned it in November.
For gays and lesbians, meanwhile, the day was one of jubilation. The Vermont 
House of Representatives also passed a measure Friday that would allow same-sex 
couples to wed, on a 94-52 roll call vote, just short of the two-thirds 
majority needed to override a promised veto by Gov. Jim Douglas.
Gay marriage supporters hoped to convince a few Vermont legislators to switch 
when it comes to the override vote, which could be taken as soon as Tuesday.
In Iowa, hundreds cheered, waved rainbow flags and shed tears of joy at rallies 
in seven cities Friday evening. "Corn-fed and Ready to Wed!" read one man's 
sign at a gathering at the University of Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls.
In downtown Des Moines, about 300 people gathered beneath rainbow flags to 
celebrate including Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie.
"We finally have equality in Iowa," said Harold Delaria, of Des Moines, who 
attended the rally and has two gay children. "It's kind of the last wall of 
legalized discrimination and it's coming tumbling down."
The Rev. Diane McLanahan of Trinity United Methodist Church in Des Moines 
acknowledged that many people of faith won't agree with the ruling. With that 
in mind, she said the court has reached a decision that "pretty much insists 
that this will not be a debate about religious rights but a matter of equality 
and fairness."
In its ruling, the Supreme Court upheld an August 2007 decision by a judge who 
found that a state law limiting marriage to a man and a woman violates the 
constitutional rights of equal protection.
Iowa lawmakers have "excluded a historically disfavored class of persons from a 
supremely important civil institution without a constitutionally sufficient 
justification," the justices wrote.
To issue any other decision, the seven justices said, "would be an abdication 
of our constitutional duty."
At a news conference announcing the decision, plaintiff Kate Varnum, 34, 
introduced her partner, Trish Varnum, as "my fiance."
"I never thought I'd be able to say that," she said, fighting back tears. 
Jason Morgan, 38, said he and his partner, Chuck Swaggerty, adopted two sons, 
confronted the death of Swaggerty's mother and endured a four-year legal battle 
as plaintiffs. 
"If being together though all of that isn't love and commitment or isn't family 
or marriage, then I don't know what is," Morgan said. "We are very happy with 
the decision today and very proud to live in Iowa." 
Iowa has a history of being in the forefront on social issues. It was among the 
first states to legalize interracial marriage and to allow married women to own 
property. It was also the first state to admit a woman to the bar to practice 
law and was a leader in school desegregation. 
Senate Majority Leader Mike Gronstal, a Democrat, said state lawmakers were 
unlikely to consider gay marriage legislation in this legislative session, 
which is expected to end within weeks. 
Gronstal also said he's "not inclined" to propose a constitutional amendment 
during next year's session. Without a vote by the Legislature this year or 
next, the soonest gay marriage could be repealed would be 2014. 
Amendments to Iowa's constitution must be passed by the House and Senate in two 
consecutive general assemblies, which each last two years, and then approved by 
a simple majority of voters during a general election. 
Iowa's Democratic governor, Chet Culver, said he would review the decision 
before announcing his views. 


  

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Welcome to Iowa/The Gay State'

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
>
> DES MOINES, Iowa â€" Gay marriage, seemingly the providence 
> of the nation's two coasts, is just weeks away from penetrating 
> the heartland and it appears there is nothing social 
> conservatives can do immediately to stop it.
> 
> The Iowa Supreme Court on Friday unanimously upheld a lower-
> court ruling that rejected a state law restricting marriage 
> to a union between a man and woman. Now gays and lesbians 
> may exchange vows as soon as April 24 following the landmark 
> decision.
>
> The county attorney who defended the law said he would not 
> seek a rehearing. The only recourse for opponents appeared to 
> be a constitutional amendment, which couldn't get on the ballot 
> until 2012 at the earliest.
> 
> "I would say the mood is one of mourning right now in a lot 
> of ways," said a dejected Bryan English, spokesman for the 
> Iowa Family Policy Center, a conservative group that opposes 
> same-sex marriage.

If you know Iowans who are in such a state of
mourning, this trailer for Sacha Baron Cohen's
new movie "Bruno" should cheer them up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFySyGaQP7E

NOTE: Because this trailer, like the film, is
R-rated, Nabby, Jim Flanegin and Willytex are
going to have to lie and claim that they are
over the age of 18 in order to see it. This
should pose no problems for Nabby, considering
the lies he's had to tell to get on courses 
over the years.  





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi

2009-04-04 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are
contained in this viral email sent to meditators.
One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest
*asking price* (much less what they actually got
for them) was $750, most much less.

Now could we have a comment from you about your
charge of "insane?"


Yeah, he'll ignore it rather than admit he was wrong.

I did see some going for $1500 a few days ago--asking price.
Have no idea what they actually got.


Advanced purchase email for TMers:

***

Dear Friends,

The David Lynch Foundation wishes to extend to every member of the  
U.S. TM family a special advance opportunity to purchase a ticket  
for the "Change Begins Within Concert" April 4th at Radio City Music  
Hall in New York City. The benefit concert will feature Paul  
McCartney, Ringo Starr, Sheryl Crow, Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Moby,  
and Paul Horn. (http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org)


Beginning at 9am Eastern Time, Sunday morning March 8th we will have  
a SPECIAL PRE-SALE for our meditator family. The time window for  
this special pre-sale is 9am to 11am Eastern time on Sunday.  
Starting at 11am, the presale will expand to a much larger group and  
the chances of getting a ticket will decrease.


You may order your concert tickets by phone or online by calling  
866-858-0008 or 212-307-1000, or by going online to the pre-sale  
ordering page:http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1D00424BAF8134DB


General Admission tickets are $79.50, $99.50, $129.50, $225.50,  
$325.50 and $504.50. There is a limit of 6 tickets per person. We  
recommend that you have the Radio City seating chart open in advance  
so that you can see the different price and seating options http://www.radiocity.com/media/global/radio_seating.pdf


Which is almost exactly what I said, $75 being the low
price I had heard.



PLEASE, PLEASE do not forward this email to anyone. You are  
receiving this email because you are on an approved meditator email  
list and a trusted member of our family. If this gets out to anyone  
beyond our immediate family, the risk of a viral email spreading is  
too great...


"approved meditator list"...lol
Glad to see you're on it, Barry!

Thanks for posting that--sure clears up
any confusion.

Sal



[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
> > do think that kids would benefit from learning a 
> > simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
> > form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> > problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> > it's taught and explained in followup talks is 
> > religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> > schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> > of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> > decide that.
> 
> What other form of meditation would you propose? 

The de-Easternized forms of mindfulness meditation
Vaj has talked about numerous times. 

> No other organization is more capable, willing or funded 
> enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by 
> the TMO. 

LOL. The TMO is **not** funding this. They are 
getting PAID $600 a head for every student they
teach. They are doing what they've always done,
trying to get someone else to pay for everything
while sitting on bank accounts and real estate
worth millions and millions of dollars. 

By comparison at least three groups I know of --
Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and
Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and 
always have. They don't look at what they do as
a way of making money; the TMO does.

> No one else has ever come forward with the resources or 
> a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. 

The groups mentioned above are not trying to 
recruit people into their cult and finding them-
selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.





[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
> do think that kids would benefit from learning a 
> simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
> form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> it's taught and explained in followup talks is 
> religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> decide that.

What other form of meditation would you propose? No other organization is more 
capable, willing or funded enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed 
by the TMO. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or a plan to 
teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. 

The TMO is well aware of the legal pitfalls to teaching TM in public schools, 
been there done that, and they have probably prepared for it. It's possible 
someone will challenge TM in the schools, and it's also possible the courts 
will rule that TM is not a religion and O.K. to teach in schools. By the time 
such a case winds its way through the court, perhaps thousands of kids will 
have learned TM. 

The concept of charter schools is on the rise. The Obama administration is 
eager to implement innovative programs that help kids learn in such schools. 
Charter schools as well as public schools could become a proving ground for the 
effectiveness of TM. Either way my bet is that once TM gets rolling, and kids 
are doing well with it, no one will want to stop it.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
Shemp, Shemp, Shemp,

Please tell us the below was you being satirical.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will 
> cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to 
> stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with 
> planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother 
> Earth.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm*
> > *
> > Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be
> > around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a
> > city. *
> > 
> > *[image: Los Angeles Times] 
> > 
> > The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind
> > turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart a
> > course for offshore energy development.
> > By Jim Tankersley
> > April 3, 2009
> >  Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could
> > potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's current
> > demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday.
> > 
> > Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most
> > accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could
> > produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior
> > Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management
> > Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development on
> > the outer continental shelf.
> > 
> >  The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which the
> > Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity --
> > enough to meet a quarter of the national demand.
> > 
> > The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the
> > California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges.
> > 
> > The Interior Department released an executive
> > summaryof the
> > report on Thursday.
> > 
> > It noted that "strong wind resources also exist offshore California, Oregon,
> > Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource
> > lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially
> > significant" -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind
> > potential.
> > 
> > The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast:
> > the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil.
> > 
> > Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of
> > agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon dioxide
> > emissions, that "we are only beginning to tap the potential" of offshore
> > renewable energy.
> > 
> > The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a course
> > for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year amid
> > high oil prices and chants of "Drill, baby, drill" at the Republican
> > National Convention.
> > 
> > Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on
> > new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those
> > complaints.
> > 
> > It includes no new estimates of potential oil and gas reserves offshore and
> > notes that some of the existing estimates are based on 25-year-old seismic
> > studies.
> > 
> > Meeting with reporters after his speech, Salazar said he would wait to
> > decide whether to commission new seismic studies until after he convened a
> > four-stop series of offshore energy hearings, which begin next week in
> > Atlantic City, N.J. In San Francisco, a hearing will be held April 16 at 9
> > a.m. at the Mission Bay Conference Center at UC San Francisco.
> > 
> > Drilling advocates say updated estimates could show even more offshore oil
> > potential.
> > 
> > In contrast, Salazar said he expected a push to expedite offshore wind
> > development to be one of the most significant aspects at the hearings.
> > 
> > He pledged to finalize guidelines for such development, which the Bush
> > administration failed to complete before leaving office, within about two
> > months.
> > 
> > jtankersley@
> >
>




[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> By comparison at least three groups I know of --
> Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and
> Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and 
> always have. They don't look at what they do as
> a way of making money; the TMO does.
> 
> > No one else has ever come forward with the resources or 
> > a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. 
> 
> The groups mentioned above are not trying to 
> recruit people into their cult and finding them-
> selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.

If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they not capable of 
implementing a program to teach as many kids in the schools as the TMO is 
willing and able to do? 

I just googled Sahaja Meditaion and here's what is got: 
http://www.sahajayoga.com.au/index.php 

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is a very nice grandmotherly Indian lady who founded 
her meditation technique in 1970. This is a sample of her teachings: 
http://www.chicagoyoga.org/meditation-room/2/1

"Place the left hand in front of your lower abdomen, palm facing the body. 
Raise the left hand up vertically, until it reaches a position above your head. 
While the left hand is ascending, the right hand rotates around it clockwise, 
until both hands are above the head. Use both hands to tie a knot. Repeat three 
times and the third time tie the knot three times, fixing your attention and 
the Kundalini energy above the seventh chakra."

Try it. Pat your head and rub your belly. Fun, isn't it?




[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread Robert
---  
> > 
> > What other form of meditation would you propose? 
> 
> The de-Easternized forms of mindfulness meditation
> Vaj has talked about numerous times. 
> 
> > No other organization is more capable, willing or funded 
> > enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by 
> > the TMO. 
> (snip)
The only problem with that is, that the technique, just keeps the mind on a 
superficial level, without transcending and getting the breath to 
stillness...and it doesn't explain the different states of consciousness, and 
so much more...so, in my humble oppinion, TM is far superior to this 
'mindfullness' stuff.
Mindfulness, turns out to be 'mindlessness', as one is always off on a thought 
or emotion, and never transcends the field of thought of emotion...there is no 
vehicle to produce finer levels of thought, and therefore, like Psychanalysis 
keeps one from ever transcending thought and emotions.
R.G.




[FairfieldLife] Characteristics of the Unified Field

2009-04-04 Thread Robert
 
 
Characteristics of the Unified Field





Nothing to forgive
Our true nature
Embraces all
Peace
Harmony
Trust
Clarity
Love
Wisdom
Inclusion
Beauty
Vibrancy
Unlimited outlook
Unlimited freedom
Bliss
Fulfillment
Unlimited realization of  potentials
Understanding
True knowledge
Mastery of life
Aliveness
Unification
Larger Self 
Undefended
Confident
Unity
Essence
Power
Gratitude
Open


 
http://www.unifying.com/manifesting/index.htm 
Innocence
Health
Eternalness
Authentic
Unlimited thinking
Self esteem
Self Worth
Flow
Safety
Unconditional Loving
Neutrality
Joy
Creation
Allowing
Success
Abundance
Guidance
Intuition
Direct experiences
All is well
True stability and safety
Transformative
Transcendence
Unlimited thinking
Appreciation
 
 


  

[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > By comparison at least three groups I know of --
> > Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and
> > Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and 
> > always have. They don't look at what they do as
> > a way of making money; the TMO does.
> > 
> > > No one else has ever come forward with the resources or 
> > > a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. 
> > 
> > The groups mentioned above are not trying to 
> > recruit people into their cult and finding them-
> > selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.
> 
> If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they 
> not capable of implementing a program to teach as many 
> kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? 

You keep evading the point in an attempt to
obfuscate, Raunchy. 

The **TM organization** was not capable of
creating such a program. They had to get 
someone to do it for them.

Their *theoretical* involvement in this pro-
gram consists of providing their services as
PAID OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS to the David Lynch
Foundation, at a cost of $600 per head. That
is (on the average) 10X more than the average
beginner's meditation course costs in America.
And many others are taught for free.

So it's not really as if the TM movement GAVE
A DAMN about these kids. They just see this
as a way to allow someone they normally would
never associate with (David Lynch) to do all
the P.R. and "heavy lifting" for them, while
they sit back and rake in $600 a head for each
student instructed. 

Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
have *always* been into it -- for the money and
to grow the cult. IMO, of course.

> I just googled Sahaja Meditaion and here's what is got: 
> http://www.sahajayoga.com.au/index.php 

I know nothing about it. I just Googled "meditation
for free." TM did not come up in the list. Surprise.

> Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is a very nice grandmotherly 
> Indian lady who founded her meditation technique in 1970. 
> This is a sample of her teachings: 
> http://www.chicagoyoga.org/meditation-room/2/1
> 
> "Place the left hand in front of your lower abdomen, 
> palm facing the body. Raise the left hand up vertically, 
> until it reaches a position above your head. While the 
> left hand is ascending, the right hand rotates around it 
> clockwise, until both hands are above the head. Use both 
> hands to tie a knot. Repeat three times and the third time 
> tie the knot three times, fixing your attention and the 
> Kundalini energy above the seventh chakra."
> 
> Try it. Pat your head and rub your belly. Fun, isn't it?

How would you know?

WE all know that YOU didn't try it.

JUST as you've never tried any of the other
techniques of meditation you characterize
here as "difficult" and as "not as good" as
TM. You're just parroting the things you
were taught to parrot, convinced that what
you practice is "the best" practice because
long ago, back when you were young and impres-
sionable, someone TOLD you it was "the best" 
and you believed every word of it.

And now you're a big fan of telling young
and impressionable kids the same thing, so
that they spend *their* whole lives doing what
you did and settling for what they were told.

Hmm. 

Programming begets programming...





[FairfieldLife] Re: VERY SPECIAL MEETING IN THE DOME 3:00pm FRIDAY!

2009-04-04 Thread dhamiltony2k5
We were Graced.
Though so too bad half of the remaining Tru-believers had left town
to see the Beatles concert in NYC.

Jai Guru Dev,

-Doug in FF


> Everyone is warmly invited
> to a very special meeting
> here in person with
> Maharaja Adhiraj Rajaraam,
> First Ruler of the Global Country of World Peace.
> 
> This rare occasion will be hosted by
> Prime Minister Bevan Morris
> and the Rajas of the Global Country of World Peace
> 
> Friday, April 3, at 3:00 p.m.
> in the Maharishi Patanjali Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge
> 
> Please bring your current program badge.
> 
> Jai Guru Dev
>




[FairfieldLife] Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread do.rflex


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"  
wrote:
>
> HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone,
> 
> It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me that my 
> co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal battle with DLF 
> or TMO.
> 
> I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my 
> concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the webinar 
> itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert will be that 
> the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not seen before.
> 
> But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an emotional 
> day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I am thankful. 
> 
> Talk to you soon!
> 
> J.
> 
> John M. Knapp, LMSW
> Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches & Cults
> KnappFamilyCounseling.com



If I might make a suggestion:

It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your own, 
can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church 
and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 'invincible' 
legal team stands up.

This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another.






[FairfieldLife] Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
 TurquoiseB  wrote: [snip] That the
> form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> it's taught and explained in followup talks is 
> religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> decide that.

Turq,

Didn't you sorta choke while writing that last statement?

I mean:  you, someone who's posted a thousand reasons not to trust anyone's 
OPINION without there being logic and science behind it (at the least,) are 
bending your knee to the OPINIONS of the founding fathers.  WTF? -- you an 
expat saying this? 

If the wisdom of the founding fathers is your guide, then, you're for slavery, 
no voting rights for women, and, oh, I almost forgot, genocide as a tool for 
getting all the land from the natives.

Those founding fathers were not magic.  They came up with a document that could 
be augmented, but they didn't come up with anything that guarantees that the 
finer qualities of humanity would emerge from the people.  They did as good as 
they could, but by today's moral standards, they were elitist barbarians who 
believed so much nonsense that they'd shock even Rush Limbaugh with the depth 
of their disconnects.

And they didn't forbid religion in government -- they made their form of 
government into a religion that was backed up by guns.  A religion with all the 
trappings of entitlement, symbolic clothing (clean,) elitist powers, and even 
the right to kill anyone for almost any reason if merely 12 dunderheads can be 
made into a lynch mob in a courtroom.

The Constitution is the basis of a religion that allows ANYTHING if money can 
be made from it and some of that money is given to the politicians (priests.)  

I like Mel Gibson's line from The Patriot.  His character was being prompted to 
join the Revolutionary War because everyone had HAD IT with King George, the 
tyrant. He said: "Better to have one tyrant 3,000 miles away than 3,000 tyrants 
one mile away."  That's what his character thought about the neighborliness of 
those founding fathers-to-be.  

Any representational form of government can be easily controlled by money.  The 
words of the Constitution are nothing to the BigWadsmerely something to 
augment if money can be made.  

Edg





[FairfieldLife] Bütles ....

2009-04-04 Thread Rick Archer
 

http://newsquake.netscape.com/2007/02/08/recording-the-beatles-geoff-emerick
-speaks/



Hi Rick,

with all the fancying about the Beatles and TM
going on after the concert, there is a real good source.
Their sound engineer geoff emerick, who helped
shaped peculiar sounds since the Revolver Album.

In his book Here, There and Everywhere, he clearly describes
the difference, the Bealtes where in when they came back
from India.

Reading it, one can understand, that the whole TM and maharishi
broke that group spirit. After India, it was everyone on his own.

The maharishi was for his own movement, and had no intentions
to help the artists gain deeper understanding of their problem.

Yes, TM is a quite good beginning, but taking care of people ?
And helping groups to succeed ?
Its only "Take the next course, but pls. spare me with your
personal crap".

cheers

joerg.

PS: yes, you can put it on FFL.
 


[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says

2009-04-04 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Shemp, Shemp, Shemp,
> 
> Please tell us the below was you being satirical.
> 
> Edg
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will 
> > cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet 
> > to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along 
> > with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to 
> > Mother Earth.
> > 
> snip,
  I don't think this will cause a noticeable problem as it will be such a long 
time before the windmills excede the number of trees that have been cut down 
that we shouldn't worry.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Ten things that would make me become a TM TB again

2009-04-04 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Might be that some TB's have never left but just don't have
or need a current dome badge.  Once a transcendentalist always 
a transcendentalist.

Eternal Transcendent Field grant, we pray
To all Meditators, both night and day,
The courage, honor, strength, and skill
Their lives to serve, thy law fulfill;
Be thou the shield forevermore
>From every peril to our meditation.

Jai Guru Dev,



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> What would it take for you to become a TM TB again?
> 
> I guess almost any miracle could do the trick for me.  If lots of folks 
> started hovering, or one person hovered in a very scientific setting, I'd 
> immediately start TM again. 
> 
> 1.  So, I think of hovering as a proof despite the fact that Turq says that 
> his Rama guy did it in front of crowds and many times.  To me something's 
> hinky with Turq's reporting, cuz, in my world, real hovering is a feat that 
> gets the CIA kidnapping your ass.  Seems likely that the Rama guy was a 
> magician, not a MAGICIAN.  Show me a true MAGICIAN and I'm sold out.
> 
> 2. If Maharishi came back from the dead, , yeah that'd do for me too.
> 
> 3. If some sort of class-action suit completely exposed all the finances of 
> the TMO and showed that -- unbelievably -- all the money went to promoting TM 
> instead of buying yachts for Girish, AND, if some "knock your socks off 
> scientific measurements" showed at least some mind-over-matter processes 
> during TM -- such as some blood chemistry marker that's immediately changed 
> when one starts meditating and that marker is known so well that scientists 
> flock to get TM instructions, then, yeah, I might be a redneck, er, TB.
> 
> 4. Okay, anyone coming back from the dead and saying TM works -- yeah, that'd 
> do it too.  Maybe even moreso than if Maharishi came back, cuz, maybe 
> Maharishi never died and merely faked it so that he could seemingly come back 
> from the dead, but if, say, Hitler came back and espoused TM, sorry Jews, but 
> I'll be listening to Adolph.
> 
> 5. If some verifiable ancient document was found that predicted the advent of 
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and TM in precise and exacting terms (whatever that 
> means,) well, that'd turn my head, but the verification had better be 
> non-controversial and widely accepted by scholars. And/or, if some dead sea 
> scrolls were found that listed all-and-only the TM mantras, I'd go "Urp, say 
> what?"
> 
> 6.  If a UFO lands and out comes some entity with Maharishi's Gita in its 
> hands/tenticles, and this entity says something like:  "Maharishi is the most 
> famous teacher in all the cosmos and he's incarnate in over 1,000 bodies on 
> 1,000 planets."  Um, it would get my interest.
> 
> 7.  If any MAV products were endorsed by the AMA and the FDA to be powerful 
> healers, and if physicians reported that their patients were additionally 
> having spiritual experiences of significant intensity, okay, I'll revisit my 
> "TM only works somewhat" conclusions.
> 
> 8.  If the words "Transcendental Meditation Works" appeared on the Moon and 
> was easily read by the naked eye by anyone on Earth, okay, that's got me just 
> like the UFO landing concept got me.
> 
> 9. If a nanobot swarm becomes conscious and form itself into the shape of a 
> human being and then that entity meditates using a TM mantra -- okay, sign me 
> up again.
> 
> 10. If Curtis, Vaj, Turq, and their ilk started TM again and reported that, 
> despite the long lapse of time since they last meditated, that they were NOW 
> having tremendous, full-reality, spiritual experiences with gods, angels, et 
> al, then, hey, I'd sit in the chair for at least a few attempts.
> 
> You?  What would it take?
> 
> Edg
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
>  TurquoiseB  wrote: [snip] That the
> > form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> > problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> > it's taught and explained in followup talks is 
> > religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> > schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> > of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> > decide that.
> 
> Turq,
> 
> Didn't you sorta choke while writing that last statement?
> 
> I mean:  you, someone who's posted a thousand reasons not 
> to trust anyone's OPINION without there being logic 
> and science behind it (at the least,)...

I've never said any such thing. About all 
I've said is that *everyone's* opinion is
just that, and *remains* that, no matter
how much "logic" or "science" they use to
try to sell it.

> ...are bending your knee to the OPINIONS of the founding 
> fathers.  WTF? -- you an expat saying this? 

In this instance, my opinion agrees with
their opinion, that's all.

But that still puts me leagues ahead of
you, dude. With all of your pretensions
to being so intelligent, you've now fallen
for two of Shemp's *obvious* trolls in a 
row. And you've *still* never figured out
the first one, the one about the hospital.

Out of curiosity I showed that one to the
ten-year-old son of a friend who was visit-
ing me and he got it immediately. If you
are so smart, why didn't you?  :-)  :-)  :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says

2009-04-04 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> The problem with wind turbines is...
>
...that they are already old hat. This free ebook (1800 pages)
can provide all that is required whether the wind blows or
not:
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk
Look out for Charles Flynn, Tesla Switch, Robert Adams,
Bob Boyce.

And Takahashi here:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm

Uns.



[FairfieldLife] The Star is seen worldwide

2009-04-04 Thread nablusoss1008

Share International News Release No. 89, 3 April 2009


The Star is seen worldwide


For over 30 years author, lecturer and artist Benjamin Creme has been
preparing the way for the emergence of Maitreya, the World Teacher.

On 12 December 2008 Share International distributed a news release
announcing that in the very near future a large, bright Star would
appear in the sky visible throughout the world, night and day. The Star
heralds the imminent emergence of Maitreya, who will be giving His first
interview on a major US television programme very soon. Since January
2009 hundreds of sightings of the Star have been reported worldwide.
Videos of the Star posted on YouTube are creating much debate and Share
International is receiving more and more photographs showing the Star in
a variety of stunning colours and shapes.

In his latest article, Benjamin Creme's Master reiterates the
significance of the Star and seeks to stimulate public discussion about
its meaning and purpose.

See attached photograph showing the Star from various countries. For
more photographs and eye-witness reports visit
www.share-international.org  .


The restoration of the world


"From almost every point of view the situation facing men everywhere
grows daily more painful. The economic chaos resulting from years of
unlicensed greed and heartless competition lays waste the honest toil
and aspiration of countless millions. On the whole, the men of money go
blithely on, their treasure intact, while men and women in every country
face joblessness, poverty and fear. More accurate readings of climatic
changes show men how close this planet is to irreversible calamity, and
alarm bells sound loudly on many political fronts, raising to new levels
the factor of stress.

How much more of this tension can humanity bear? For how long will men
accept, mildly, their fate? Desperate men do desperate deeds and already
in their minds, if not yet in their actions, many contemplate
revolution.

Behind the scenes, Maitreya watches carefully these happenings, and
gives succour wherever the Law allows. He waits, patiently, for the
build-up of response to the sign of His Emergence, the "star-like
luminary of brilliant power" on which many now gaze in wonder and
even love.

What is desired is some measure of public debate about the significance
or meaning of the Star, thus signifying the emergence of Maitreya, the
World Teacher. The greater and more public the discussion, the greater
does it prepare the way for Maitreya's entry. Soon there will be no
gainsaying. Very soon, Venus will move beyond the sight of men and so
leave the platform of the heavens open to the Star. Then there will be
no doubt that the Star is there for all to see.

If sufficient discussion can be fostered on the various media and
internet, it will not be long until men see and hear Maitreya speak. He
will not be so called, that men can judge His ideas rather than His
status.

As the economic crisis deepens, a singular reaction is appearing in many
countries: alongside the fear, bravado and growing despair is a new
understanding of the reasons for the crash – the greed and
competitive spirit at the centre of our systems and, therefore, the need
for sharing. Of themselves, many are awakening to this basic truth and
see sharing as the answer to injustice and war. Thus are many ready for
Maitreya's Call. This realization will grow as the crisis bites
deeper and deeper into the shaky fabric of the outworn forms and
structures that no longer work, can never be made to work for long.

When Maitreya speaks, He will show that this is so, that the world is
ready for the adoption of new and better forms, based on the true needs
of the peoples everywhere. His is the task to focus and strengthen this
growing realization of the oneness and unity of men, of their mutual
dependence and awakening divinity. Thus will Maitreya and humanity work
together for the restoration of this world."


Benjamin Creme lecture

`The Emergence of Maitreya the World Teacher'

Friends House, 173 Euston Road, London NW1

Thursday 23 April, 7 to 9.30pm, admission free

Share International, PO Box 3677, London NW5 1RU

tel: 44-(0)207-482-1113  www.share-international.org




[FairfieldLife] Robert -- you have to stop to think -- will you?

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
"Robert" wrote:
> The only problem with that is, that the technique, [[mindfulness]]
just keeps the mind on a superficial level, without transcending and
getting the breath to stillness...and it doesn't explain the different
states of consciousness, and so much more...so, in my humble oppinion,
TM is far superior to this 'mindfullness' stuff.
> Mindfulness, turns out to be 'mindlessness', as one is always off on a
thought or emotion, and never transcends the field of thought of
emotion...there is no vehicle to produce finer levels of thought, and
therefore, like Psychanalysis keeps one from ever transcending thought
and emotions.
> R.G.


Robert,

I worry about you.  I read your posts, and everytime, I wonder if you
have ever, say, reread anything you've written before you post it.  It
all seems just off the top of your head.

You are blabbing propaganda -- I would suggest you take your above
statement one piece at a time and try to actually, you know, see if it
means anything to ya.

Here, I'll do some of the spade work for ya.

Like:  "the technique, [[mindfulness]] just keeps the mind on a
superficial level"

Here we see that you are asserting that there exists a technique called
"mindfulness" about which  everyone reading here will have clarity.

As if.

(Vaj, don't bother, once again, showing that there's a hundred ways to
do something mental that could be in the set called "mindfulness,"
Robert isn't listening.)

Robert, is there any chance in hell you could define "superficial
level?"

Don't you see the elitism in that phrase?  Don't you understand the
great insult such a phrase would be if, say, you told the Dali Lama that
his mind was merely residing in superficiality after decades of him
exploring within?  How could anyone anywhere ever think that they can
know about another's mindfulness, let alone it's "level" without, you
know, BEING THAT PERSON?  And, Robert, have you been tested by all the
machines and the analysis of the TMO "scientists?"  Is your level so
deep that you can now decide that others are shallow? Or, are you
repeating words you've heard from "on high" and not really trying to get
solid on the definitions of the words you use?

Like:  "without transcending and getting the breath to stillness..."

I've posted here about the four ways to understand the word
"transcending."  Did you bother to consider it?  I doubt it.  Yet, here
you are using that word as if it had only one meaning and that it can
only be understood to be valid if breathing is affected when
transcending is happening.  Um, just for your information, didja ever
notice that Maharishi gave us more than one way to control the breath? 
Is pranyama a form of transcending to you?  It is to me, but if it's
done without using a mantra, would you honor it as a valid spiritual
technique?

I agree that stilling the breath is a good thing if it naturally occurs,
but, my friend Vaj would scold me for believing that since there's some
serious conceptual wait-just-a-damned-minute-there-bub aspects of this
phenomenon that he thinks one might want to chew on for a while before
committing to stillness of breath as a always-positive thingy.  I
disagree with him about this, but I have yet to say that he's wrong,
because I haven't studied this concept enough to have clarity -- only
then will I grab Vaj's arm and swing him around to face my, er, PSYCHIC
WRATH -- Oh, yeah, I'm the scorcher, uh huh, uh huh, I like it.

Like:  [[mindfulness]] "it doesn't explain the different states of
consciousness,

You come out with a concept that there are [[seven]] states of
consciousness, but you seem to never have heard Maharishi talking about
the 16 calas and that Guru Dev had to die to get to the 16th "level." 
And you don't seem to have any precise grasp of the word "consciousness"
-- can you please tell us what the differences are (if any) between the
following words? "Consciousnes, amness, pure being, transcendent,
awareness, mind, soul, witness."

I don't expect you'll answer in any scholarly fashion, because the above
question was never a topic of any lecture I ever heard from Maharishi --
and I heard (estimate) over 1,000 lectures by Maharishi, and he never
educated me about any of the above distinctions.  In his Gita, he's all
over the map when he uses these words without any precision.

But, you're sure, aren't you, that you have it locked down tight about
this word "consciousness?"

Like: "Mindfulness, turns out to be 'mindlessness', as one is always off
on a thought or emotion, and never transcends the field of thought of
emotion..."

How fucking arrogant can you get?If someone is having a thought --
they're mindless?  WTF?

You take thousands of other forms of thinking and clump them together
into one word and, without a hint of precision defining, you, Robert,
are staking your image here on parroted words.  Do you really want to
only spew the pap you were fed?  With the above statement, you dismiss
virtually all religious and spiritu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will 
> cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet to 
> stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along with 
> planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to Mother 
> Earth.

Not quite, but it IS possible for a wind turbine farm to "rob the wind" locally
and affect local weather patterns.

Its like planting a really tall grove of trees somewhere. If plants/animals in 
that
 location depend on the wind to distribute moisture or whatever to the rest of 
the system, then the trees disrupt the local pattern and the local ecology.

An inverse of the overfarming that created the sahara dessert.


L



[FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > >
> > > Um, that number is totally bogus, spare.  I heard they
> > > started at $75...don't know what the most expensive were,
> > > but it's seriously unlikely they came anywhere near that.
> > > 
> > > They can't even get anywhere near that much scalping them.
> > 
> > Guffaw. Rumors were that they sold out in just a 
> > few minutes and ended up being scalped on ebay 
> > for close to $10 grand each.
> > 
> > You can pretned that 6000 seats in a charity concert 
> > sell for $75 each in NTC but I think you're slightly 
> > out of your mind.
> 
> Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are
> contained in this viral email sent to meditators.
> One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest
> *asking price* (much less what they actually got
> for them) was $750, most much less.
> 
> Now could we have a comment from you about your
> charge of "insane?" 
> 
> Advanced purchase email for TMers:
> 
> ***
> 


Well, my bad then. I noticed the higher end ticket price and not the lower.

Darned good pricing then, given that the Beatles sites were hyping the
sales.


> Dear Friends,
> 
> The David Lynch Foundation wishes to extend to every member of the U.S. TM 
> family a special advance opportunity to purchase a ticket for the "Change 
> Begins Within Concert" April 4th at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. 
> The benefit concert will feature Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Sheryl Crow, 
> Donovan, Eddie Vedder, Moby, and Paul Horn. 
> (http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org)
> 
> Beginning at 9am Eastern Time, Sunday morning March 8th we will have a 
> SPECIAL PRE-SALE for our meditator family. The time window for this special 
> pre-sale is 9am to 11am Eastern time on Sunday. Starting at 11am, the presale 
> will expand to a much larger group and the chances of getting a ticket will 
> decrease.
> 
> You may order your concert tickets by phone or online by calling 866-858-0008 
> or 212-307-1000, or by going online to the pre-sale ordering 
> page:http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1D00424BAF8134DB
> 
> General Admission tickets are $79.50, $99.50, $129.50, $225.50, $325.50 and 
> $504.50. There is a limit of 6 tickets per person. We recommend that you have 
> the Radio City seating chart open in advance so that you can see the 
> different price and seating options 
> http://www.radiocity.com/media/global/radio_seating.pdf
> 
> PLEASE, PLEASE do not forward this email to anyone. You are receiving this 
> email because you are on an approved meditator email list and a trusted 
> member of our family. If this gets out to anyone beyond our immediate family, 
> the risk of a viral email spreading is too great...
>




[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
> > do think that kids would benefit from learning a 
> > simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
> > form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> > problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> > it's taught and explained in followup talks is 
> > religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> > schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> > of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> > decide that.
> 
> What other form of meditation would you propose? No other organization is 
> more capable, willing or funded enough to tackle a project of the magnitude 
> proposed by the TMO. No one else has ever come forward with the resources or 
> a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. 
> 
> The TMO is well aware of the legal pitfalls to teaching TM in public schools, 
> been there done that, and they have probably prepared for it. It's possible 
> someone will challenge TM in the schools, and it's also possible the courts 
> will rule that TM is not a religion and O.K. to teach in schools. By the time 
> such a case winds its way through the court, perhaps thousands of kids will 
> have learned TM. 
> 
> The concept of charter schools is on the rise. The Obama administration is 
> eager to implement innovative programs that help kids learn in such schools. 
> Charter schools as well as public schools could become a proving ground for 
> the effectiveness of TM. Either way my bet is that once TM gets rolling, and 
> kids are doing well with it, no one will want to stop it.
>


Technically charter schools (at least in AZ) are still public schools, but 
(again in AZ)
they are beholden only to the state and not local, school boards, so they have
a LOT more leeway in what they can do. Each charter school is basically
a local school district in its own right, governed directly by the participants
so the local community can't dictate what is or isn't taught to those kids.

A mixed bag, to be sure.

L



[FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
>
> On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are
> > contained in this viral email sent to meditators.
> > One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest
> > *asking price* (much less what they actually got
> > for them) was $750, most much less.
> >
> > Now could we have a comment from you about your
> > charge of "insane?"
> 
> Yeah, he'll ignore it rather than admit he was wrong.=

You know, I've always prided myself on admitting I was wrong when
someone points out to me "the facts" that contradict my beliefs on something.

Do you have a reason to think otherwise, or are you merely assuming
that since I disagree with you about so many "obvious" things
that I'm totally unreasonable and dishonest in how I deal with you?


L.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"  
> wrote:
> >
> > HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone,
> > 
> > It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me that 
> > my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal battle with 
> > DLF or TMO.
> > 
> > I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my 
> > concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the 
> > webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert 
> > will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not 
> > seen before.
> > 
> > But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an emotional 
> > day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I am thankful. 
> > 
> > Talk to you soon!
> > 
> > J.
> > 
> > John M. Knapp, LMSW
> > Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches & Cults
> > KnappFamilyCounseling.com
> 
> 
> 
> If I might make a suggestion:
> 
> It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your 
> own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation of 
> Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 
> 'invincible' legal team stands up.
> 
> This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another.
>

The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may.

However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit
against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time
issue so far, and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow 
anti-quiet-time
friends have standing in teh courts either.

There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this,
BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website.

L.




[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > By comparison at least three groups I know of --
> > > Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and
> > > Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and 
> > > always have. They don't look at what they do as
> > > a way of making money; the TMO does.
> > > 
> > > > No one else has ever come forward with the resources or 
> > > > a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. 
> > > 
> > > The groups mentioned above are not trying to 
> > > recruit people into their cult and finding them-
> > > selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.
> > 
> > If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they 
> > not capable of implementing a program to teach as many 
> > kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? 
> 
> You keep evading the point in an attempt to
> obfuscate, Raunchy. 
> 
> The **TM organization** was not capable of
> creating such a program. They had to get 
> someone to do it for them.
> 
> Their *theoretical* involvement in this pro-
> gram consists of providing their services as
> PAID OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS to the David Lynch
> Foundation, at a cost of $600 per head. That
> is (on the average) 10X more than the average
> beginner's meditation course costs in America.
> And many others are taught for free.
> 
> So it's not really as if the TM movement GAVE
> A DAMN about these kids. They just see this
> as a way to allow someone they normally would
> never associate with (David Lynch) to do all
> the P.R. and "heavy lifting" for them, while
> they sit back and rake in $600 a head for each
> student instructed.  
> Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
> in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
> McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
> But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
> have *always* been into it -- for the money and
> to grow the cult. IMO, of course.
> 
> > I just googled Sahaja Meditaion and here's what is got: 
> > http://www.sahajayoga.com.au/index.php 
> 
> I know nothing about it. I just Googled "meditation
> for free." TM did not come up in the list. Surprise.
> 

It's interesting you're willing to crap shoot a google without finding out if 
the organizations teaching the meditation techniques you suggest don't somehow 
wiggle your whiskers about money, cult and religion, when this is such an all 
consuming concern of yours about TM. Thanks for the tip. 

> > Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is a very nice grandmotherly 
> > Indian lady who founded her meditation technique in 1970. 
> > This is a sample of her teachings: 
> > http://www.chicagoyoga.org/meditation-room/2/1
> > 
> > "Place the left hand in front of your lower abdomen, 
> > palm facing the body. Raise the left hand up vertically, 
> > until it reaches a position above your head. While the 
> > left hand is ascending, the right hand rotates around it 
> > clockwise, until both hands are above the head. Use both 
> > hands to tie a knot. Repeat three times and the third time 
> > tie the knot three times, fixing your attention and the 
> > Kundalini energy above the seventh chakra."
> > 
> > Try it. Pat your head and rub your belly. Fun, isn't it?
> 

O.K. Let's back things up a little. 

Barry you wrote #214244: 
> As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
> do think that kids would benefit from learning a
> simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
> form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> it's taught and explained in followup talks is
> religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> decide that."

It's quite a concession on your part to say, "As for the program itself, I wish 
it well." Thank you for that, perhaps you harbor some faint hope that TM will 
actually help kids. I hope so as well. However, your well wishing comes with a 
huge BUT. Meditation can be helpful to kids, BUT, not TM because in your 
OPINION TM has the taint of money, cult, and religion.   

When I asked what other meditation program has the resources to accomplish a 
plan as far reaching as the TMO, you suggested three free meditations. I doubt 
any of them has ever proffered a program equal to the goals of the TMO for the 
schools. Maybe they don't charge for meditation but they usually raise money 
for workshops, books and tapes, CD's DVD's, retreats and an assortment of 
meditation aids, cushions, shawls, beads, and trinkets. Every organization 
figures out a way to make money or it doesn't survive or have the ability to 
promote itself. 

Besides the objection you have to TM raising money, which other organizations 
do as well, the organizations that teach the meditation techniques you suggest 
probably 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
below

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> >  TurquoiseB  wrote: [snip] That the
> > > form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> > > problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> > > it's taught and explained in followup talks is
> > > religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> > > schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> > > of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> > > decide that.
> >
> > Turq,
> >
> > Didn't you sorta choke while writing that last statement?
> >
> > I mean:  you, someone who's posted a thousand reasons not
> > to trust anyone's OPINION without there being logic
> > and science behind it (at the least,)...
>
> I've never said any such thing. About all
> I've said is that *everyone's* opinion is
> just that, and *remains* that, no matter
> how much "logic" or "science" they use to
> try to sell it.
>
> > ...are bending your knee to the OPINIONS of the founding
> > fathers.  WTF? -- you an expat saying this?
>
> In this instance, my opinion agrees with
> their opinion, that's all.

So, um, a constitution that allows for slavery is okay with you?
>
> But that still puts me leagues ahead of
> you, dude. With all of your pretensions
> to being so intelligent,

Now just a durned minute there, bub.  I'm on record here telling how
stupid I've been for 30 years.  Whenever I find someone else seemingly
as lost as myself, I, naturally, point it out to them that they belong
in my group, and, I sincerely wish they'd lead me to another one if they
can.

I know how smart I am to a fairly exacting degree, and I'm record here
as saying that unless one is in the 1/2 of 1% level, say, an I.Q. of 140
or above, then one really should never think of oneself as all that
cognitively capable of the nuanced thinking that even the most common
challenges require one to have if clarity is sought.  I'm not that
smart, and I've said so here many times.

My "pretensions" are those of Socrates -- I know nothing, but I know
very very well what "nothing" means.  Do you?  I do, and I've written
about nothing here hundreds of times.  I know nothing so well, that
"something" (its opposite) is thusly defined, and, thereby, I know that
if someone is saying they know something, well then, I'm hoping they're
right, cuz knowing nothing is a drag in a world full of somethings.

you've now fallen
> for two of Shemp's *obvious* trolls in a
> row. And you've *still* never figured out
> the first one, the one about the hospital.

Fuck, I'll be fooled again and again to my deathbed.  If your haughty
stance about me doesn't include a clarity that you too can be fooled at
any moment by even a dunce, then prepare for thy doom.

I did a light search and came up empty on anything Shemp wrote about a
hospital and to which I'd replied.  Gimme a link for this.

>
> Out of curiosity I showed that one to the
> ten-year-old son of a friend who was visit-
> ing me and he got it immediately. If you
> are so smart, why didn't you?  :-)  :-)  :-)

I've met many a ten year old who had insights I knew not of -- in fact,
all ten year olds have deep knowledge about life but they haven't been
educated about how to talk about it.  Do you think that if you were
somehow magically put inside a ten year old's mind that you go: "Ho hum,
how uninteresting?"  It would be a freaking alien world, dude.  They're
out of the box -- only another eight to sixteen years more education
will get them inside the box as deeply as you and I are.

Edg




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Turq worships his Founding Gurus from afar -- go figure.

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:

[Barry wrote:]
> you've now fallen
> > for two of Shemp's *obvious* trolls in a
> > row. And you've *still* never figured out
> > the first one, the one about the hospital.
> 
> Fuck, I'll be fooled again and again to my deathbed.
> If your haughty stance about me doesn't include a
> clarity that you too can be fooled at any moment by
> even a dunce, then prepare for thy doom.

Barry's been fooled twice, big time, in recent weeks,
once by emptybill and again by Doug (hardly dunces,
either of them, but then neither is Shemp a dunce in
the IQ sense of the word, at least). Most of the rest
of us recognized emptybill's and Doug's posts as obvious
satire, while Barry went on a full-scale rant,
completely oblivious.

Not the first time that's happened, either.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread raunchydog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone,
> > > 
> > > It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me 
> > > that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal 
> > > battle with DLF or TMO.
> > > 
> > > I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my 
> > > concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the 
> > > webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert 
> > > will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not 
> > > seen before.
> > > 
> > > But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an 
> > > emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I 
> > > am thankful. 
> > > 
> > > Talk to you soon!
> > > 
> > > J.
> > > 
> > > John M. Knapp, LMSW
> > > Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches & Cults
> > > KnappFamilyCounseling.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If I might make a suggestion:
> > 
> > It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your 
> > own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation 
> > of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 
> > 'invincible' legal team stands up.
> > 
> > This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another.
> >
> 
> The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may.
> 
> However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit
> against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet 
> Time
> issue so far, and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow 
> anti-quiet-time
> friends have standing in teh courts either.
> 
> There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this,
> BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website.
> 
> L.
>

By all means SAVE THE CHILDREN from EVIL TM. Give it a rest.



[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > By comparison at least three groups I know of --
> > > Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and
> > > Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and 
> > > always have. They don't look at what they do as
> > > a way of making money; the TMO does.
> > > 
> > > > No one else has ever come forward with the resources or 
> > > > a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique. 
> > > 
> > > The groups mentioned above are not trying to 
> > > recruit people into their cult and finding them-
> > > selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.

This assumes the only reason anyone would want to
teach meditation of any kind to kids is for
recruiting purposes, which is obviously not the case.
*You* just said, "I really do think that kids would
benefit from learning a simple form of meditation
while still kids."

Are you really going to maintain that groups that
teach meditation for free aren't teaching kids on a
large scale because they aren't interested in
recruitment? Do you really believe none of these
groups thinks, as you do, that it would be good
for the kids to learn meditation?

> > If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they 
> > not capable of implementing a program to teach as many 
> > kids in the schools as the TMO is willing and able to do? 
> 
> You keep evading the point in an attempt to
> obfuscate, Raunchy.

Actually, that would be Barry who is evading
Raunchy's point in an attempt to obfuscate. 

> The **TM organization** was not capable of
> creating such a program. They had to get 
> someone to do it for them.

The question is *why* the TMO hasn't done so on
its own, not whether it's capable of doing so. Of
course it is; goodness knows it has the resources.
How many times have we seen the complaint that
it doesn't teach for free given its vast financial
coffers?

But it has never been willing to teach TM for free
in countries that could afford to pay for it.

It got badly burned with the New Jersey program;
from then until now it hasn't attempted a large-scale
project but has been working with individual schools
in ways that would be unlikely to inspire court
challenges.

We don't know who came up with the idea for Lynch's
current program. Lynch's foundation was begun in
2005, so he's been doing this sort of thing for a
while now.

The fact is that at least so far, no other group
that teaches meditation, for free or otherwise,
has had a wealthy celebrity adherent who was willing
to take on the effort and costs involved in such
a project and use his/her popularity to promote
it.

And if there were a group that did have such an
adherent, would it have the personnel and
motivation to implement a similar program on the
same scale?


> So it's not really as if the TM movement GAVE
> A DAMN about these kids.

This is so silly it hardly merits comment. MMY's
whole reason for teaching TM in the first place
was that it was good for people. It's not 
impossible there are a few exceptions, but
virtually everyone in the TMO is still motivated
by MMY's messianism.

 They just see this
> as a way to allow someone they normally would
> never associate with (David Lynch) to do all
> the P.R. and "heavy lifting" for them, while
> they sit back and rake in $600 a head for each
> student instructed.

The "heavy lifting" is partly a matter of getting
past the legal issue, as I suggested above, and
partly the TMO's longstanding principle of not 
teaching for free in countries that have the
resources to pay for it.

And the TMO is hardly "sitting back," nor is it
letting Lynch do "all the P.R." It's clearly a
joint effort between Lynch and the TMO.

> Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
> in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
> McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
> But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
> have *always* been into it -- for the money and
> to grow the cult. IMO, of course.

Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact
aren't worth a whole helluva lot.

IMO, of course.




Re: [FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread Vaj

On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

> As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
> do think that kids would benefit from learning a
> simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
> form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> it's taught and explained in followup talks is
> religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> decide that.

While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good  
thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at  
risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for  
the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing  
negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world  
countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem  
to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less,  
as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In  
other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting  
the poor because they're an easy target.

What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is  
it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM  
Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at  
600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could  
easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could  
teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing.  
Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that  
underlying motivation?


[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:


[snip]


> > If I might make a suggestion:

> > It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your 
> > own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation 
> > of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 
> > 'invincible' legal team stands up.

> > This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another.



> The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may.


Not true, Lawson. See for example: 

Americans United For Separation Of Church And State And ACLU File Brief 
Objecting To Government Promotion of Prayer In Texas' "Moment Of Silence" Law 
(6/9/2008)

http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/35582prs20080609.html



> However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit> 
> against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet 
> Time> issue so far, 



I believe that the Americans United for Separation of Church and State can act 
on their own to bring suit.



> and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time> 
> friends have standing in teh courts either.



You don't need "standing in the courts" to initiate legal action, Lawson.



> There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this,> 
> BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website.



--  "TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism," says Barry Lynn, 
executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, 
which keeps a close legal eye on the TM movement. 

"There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative 
Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public 
schools then Hinduism can't be either."

~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206



Here's an example where the Americans United for Separation of Church and State 
was effective in making its case against TM being incorporated into public 
schools:


-- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation --

A California public school has dumped plans for a meditation class for students 
amid concerns from parents that it would be promoting religion.

Terra Linda High School in San Rafael was preparing to offer students 
instruction on Transcendental Meditation (TM). TM is an offshoot of Hinduism, 
though some of its supporters eschew its religious underpinning and argue the 
practice is actually science-related.

The critically acclaimed filmmaker David Lynch, director of offbeat films such 
as "Wild at Heart," and "Blue Velvet," had offered the school a $175,000 grant 
to start the TM program.

A school board meeting in October, however, drew the ire of parents. According 
to the Associated Press, the meeting turned "chaotic, with one parent rushing 
the stage to denounce TM as a cult."

Following the controversy, Lynch's foundation withdrew the grant offer.

In 1979, a federal appeals court ruled that a New Jersey public school could 
not legally sponsor TM. That case was brought in part by Americans United. One 
judge noted that the names of Hindu deities are chanted in TM ceremonies.

TM practitioners, the court ruled, were attempting to "take a cow and put a 
sign on it that says `horse.'"

Americans United for Separation of Church and State:  
http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_&id=8766&page=NewsArticle


> 
> L.





[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit
> against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet 
> Time  issue so far,


Ah, TM "Quiet Time",what perfect rebranding.  Who could object to a little 
quiet time.

Catholic Communion "Quiet Time"

Santeria Chicken sacrifice "Quiet Time"

Giving yourself to Jesus' salvation "Quiet Time"

That works really well but I think I missed a special point of how to make it 
even more palatable for the schools from the TM pros.

CC "Quiet Time"
SCS "Quiet Time"
GYTJS "Quiet Time"

Now who could ever have a problem with that!  Those names just sound so 
cute, kinda falls off the tongue.  And how many harried parents and teachers 
don't wish for a little more "Quiet Time!"

One last one for a bonus point:
STFU "Quiet Time"

It is so funny to see Paul up there when his own TM practice is by his own 
description only occasional.  He hasn't bought into many of the self 
improvement benifits of regular practice.  His most regular practice is smoking 
weed, one of the biggest TM no-nos.  The first time he tried it when Bob Dylan 
turned the Beatles on, he exclaimed that he could really "think" for the first 
time in his life. His correspondingly weak praise for TM seems a bit damming in 
comparison.  But like most people who took TM, even if he gives it lip-service, 
he does not practice it regularly. Even if TM really was what is claimed, the 
truth is that people won't practice it regularly, even if they believe it works 
a bit.  You have to buy into the deeper belief system that includes more 
religious aspects for people to spend their time doing TM. And it turns out 
that this is a tiny number of people compared to who was initiated.  The lone 
TMer practicing quietly without the full blown belief system is a myth.  

But these kids who I have taught in school, at risk kids, with so many 
sociological problems pulling at them that special education teachers struggle 
to teach them to read a menu before the succumb to gangs who offer them a 
family, these kids are going to do what millions of people with higher 
educations and incomes failed to do: stick with TM.

Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social ills 
that are dragging down these kids.  But it wouldn't even matter if TM did work 
to raise them up.  They wont practice TM, nobody does.  And the movement 
couldn't care less about this fact as they launch program after program 
destined to fail after scooping up  a few bucks.  




 

>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone,
> > > 
> > > It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me 
> > > that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal 
> > > battle with DLF or TMO.
> > > 
> > > I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my 
> > > concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the 
> > > webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert 
> > > will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have not 
> > > seen before.
> > > 
> > > But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an 
> > > emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which I 
> > > am thankful. 
> > > 
> > > Talk to you soon!
> > > 
> > > J.
> > > 
> > > John M. Knapp, LMSW
> > > Recovery from Toxic Groups, Abusive Churches & Cults
> > > KnappFamilyCounseling.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > If I might make a suggestion:
> > 
> > It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on your 
> > own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for Separation 
> > of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully the TMO's 
> > 'invincible' legal team stands up.
> > 
> > This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another.
> >
> 
> The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may.
> 
> However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit
> against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet 
> Time
> issue so far, and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow 
> anti-quiet-time
> friends have standing in teh courts either.
> 
> There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this,
> BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website.
> 
> L.
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
> > > If I might make a suggestion:
> 
> > > It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on 
> > > your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for 
> > > Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how successfully 
> > > the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up.
> 
> > > This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or another.
> 
> 
> 
> > The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may.
> 
> 
> Not true, Lawson. See for example: 
> 
> Americans United For Separation Of Church And State And ACLU File Brief 
> Objecting To Government Promotion of Prayer In Texas' "Moment Of Silence" Law 
> (6/9/2008)
> 
> http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/35582prs20080609.html
> 
> 
> 
> > However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit> 
> > against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet 
> > Time> issue so far, 
> 
> 
> 
> I believe that the Americans United for Separation of Church and State can 
> act on their own to bring suit.
> 
> 
> 
> > and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time> 
> > friends have standing in teh courts either.
> 
> 
> 
> You don't need "standing in the courts" to initiate legal action, Lawson.
> 
> 
> 
> > There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over this,> 
> > BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website.
> 
> 
> 
> --  "TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism," says Barry Lynn, 
> executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, 
> which keeps a close legal eye on the TM movement. 
> 
> "There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative 
> Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public 
> schools then Hinduism can't be either."
> 
> ~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206
> 
> 
> 
> Here's an example where the Americans United for Separation of Church and 
> State was effective in making its case against TM being incorporated into 
> public schools:
> 
> 
> -- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation --
> 
> A California public school has dumped plans for a meditation class for 
> students amid concerns from parents that it would be promoting religion.
> 
> Terra Linda High School in San Rafael was preparing to offer students 
> instruction on Transcendental Meditation (TM). TM is an offshoot of Hinduism, 
> though some of its supporters eschew its religious underpinning and argue the 
> practice is actually science-related.
> 
> The critically acclaimed filmmaker David Lynch, director of offbeat films 
> such as "Wild at Heart," and "Blue Velvet," had offered the school a $175,000 
> grant to start the TM program.
> 
> A school board meeting in October, however, drew the ire of parents. 
> According to the Associated Press, the meeting turned "chaotic, with one 
> parent rushing the stage to denounce TM as a cult."
> 
> Following the controversy, Lynch's foundation withdrew the grant offer.
> 
> In 1979, a federal appeals court ruled that a New Jersey public school could 
> not legally sponsor TM. That case was brought in part by Americans United. 
> One judge noted that the names of Hindu deities are chanted in TM ceremonies.
> 
> TM practitioners, the court ruled, were attempting to "take a cow and put a 
> sign on it that says `horse.'"
> 
> Americans United for Separation of Church and State:  
> http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_&id=8766&page=NewsArticle
> 
> 
> > 
> > L.
>

Ok, but recall that the objection was made locally by a former Fairfield 
resident,
and NOT by ACLU or Americans United.

My reading has been that neither has been able to bring a lawsuit on their own
and has needed to have a local parent step in.

E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi.

The fact that 
1) the puja is done outside school
2) TM is optional even during the quiet time
3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program
4) that no theory is taught during the school program
5) that the program is NOT funded by the school


all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case.

Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak
to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires
parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation
and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather
 than let someone take them to court because they objected.

They've learned, in other words.



Lawson.




[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
 What is that > underlying motivation?

Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM is finally 
becoming "mainstream", as Paul naively parroted in the news conference.  The 
triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole world will recognize how 
brilliant this tiny group of believers are.  This is the big one gang, look, 
there are two BEATLES, celebrity royalty,on the side of TM! (which they don't 
regularly practice but are all for the idea of kids doing so.)  


>
> 
> On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
> > do think that kids would benefit from learning a
> > simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
> > form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> > problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> > it's taught and explained in followup talks is
> > religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> > schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> > of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> > decide that.
> 
> While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good  
> thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at  
> risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for  
> the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing  
> negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world  
> countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem  
> to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less,  
> as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In  
> other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting  
> the poor because they're an easy target.
> 
> What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is  
> it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM  
> Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at  
> 600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could  
> easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could  
> teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing.  
> Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that  
> underlying motivation?
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: The TM Is Not A Religion Religion

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:

> After 15 years of being stalked by her,

You know, if I were going to post a rant alleging
that somebody I didn't like suffered from an
exaggerated sense of self-importance and was
constantly trying to "micro-manage" their image,
and I decided to start out with a blatant lie, I
probably would have the good sense not to pick a
lie that made me look like *I* had an exaggerated
sense of self-importance and was trying to
"micro-manage" my own image.

Especially if there was an overwhelming amount of
evidence already that I had these traits (and was
known for lying as well).




[FairfieldLife] Re: please help me make up my mind!

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
More Barry in Fantasyland:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> If anyone has any lingering doubts that ed11
> is really Jim in drag, here's the proof.
> 
> Remember back when Jim tried to convince us
> that the Backstreet Boys were great artists

He never said they were great artists. He said
he'd seen them on TV once and enjoyed them
thoroughly, even though their music wasn't his
personal preference. No attempt to convince
anybody of anything, just expressing his opinion.
(The context was the limitations of Barry's
musical elitism.)

> and that "Iron Man" was the best film of the
> year and deserving of an Oscar

He never said that. He said it was the best of
the superhero flicks that he'd seen and that it
"oughta win some Oscars" because it was so
well-made (Barry agreed that it was well-made).

  and that the
> TV show "American Idol" was full of immensely
> talented performers?

He never said that. He did mention "American
Idol" once, but only as an example (among
several) of how the materialism of American
culture negatively influences the rest of the
world. (Nothing about the performers at all.)

 That's the kind of 
> settle-for-the-lowest-common-denominator,
> uneducated, anti-intellectual and arrogant
> approach he had to the arts, and to life in
> general.
> 
> And now here is ed11, trying to make a case
> for TM by quoting **"Entertainment Weekly"**
> as if it were the Encyclopedia Britannica. :-)

She wasn't trying to make a case for TM by
quoting "Entertainment Weekly," of course.

> Here's ed11 saying that he'll "toss my bag 
> in with Paul and Ringo and Sheryl and Eddie 
> and the others." All that ed11/Jim needs to
> help him decide any issue like whether TM is
> appropriate for teaching in US schools is
> whether aging rock 'n roll stars think it's
> OK.

Not what she said or what she meant.

And oh, BTW:

"I do not admit the possibility that any
point of view can be 'right.'

"What I would acknowledge is that your
point of view is just as valid as mine."

--Barry Wright, 3/28/09




[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could .. and the Planet Niroba

2009-04-04 Thread grate . swan


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"  wrote:
> >
> ...that they are already old hat. This free ebook (1800 pages)
> can provide all that is required whether the wind blows or
> not:
> http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk


This is an interesting and entertaining book -- from first glance. But my 
impression of such books is that they were written by a group from the last 
Star Trek convention who found and edited a secret manuscript of a MIT grad 
student on acid -- dumped in the alley way as the student was being hauled off 
to Bellvue.  

Take the 15th chapter. The premise is that a huge brown dwarf (Niroba) with 5 
orbiting planets, passes by our solar system every 3600 years, in past cycles 
caused the oceans to rise up, revealing the ocean floor, created "Noah's" 
flood, and currently is the total cause of global warming (and that CO2 has 
absolutely nothing to do with it). 

When the author spouts such, it tends to enhance my first premise, above. And 
there is a s*load of venture capital money for new energy technology -- if 
Chapters 1-14 had any economic viability, the VCs would be knocking their doors 
down to get a piece of the action. And it would be getting serious finding form 
DOE, EPA and university labs.

Nada. Thus my first premise.  Not a challenge, but a friendly reuest, do you 
have any cites that indicates the economic viability of any of these things -- 
and serious scientific / technology work being done using them? (and admittedly 
I did not read the whole thing) 




> Look out for Charles Flynn, Tesla Switch, Robert Adams,
> Bob Boyce.
> 
> And Takahashi here:
> http://www.cheniere.org/misc/wankel.htm
> 
> Uns.
>




[FairfieldLife] Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never had 
a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks like 
"quiet time."

I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was there, 
kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of 
laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, speaking 
to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact with them to 
"brow beat them into closing their eyes."

Yeah, I was the substitute and kids like to misbehave when a sub is there, but, 
still, if that's how they act when "no one important is looking," then that's a 
strong measurement of MSAE's inability to inculcate a reverence for TM...or 
that a reverence naturally bubbles up eventually in the kids.  And don't miss 
that all the rich folks never send their kids to MUM for college.

In the public schools, believe me, any TM teacher is going to be a substitute 
to them, and quiet time will be only as quiet as you can get a room with twenty 
spitballs whizzing constantly.

It'll be war.

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit
> > against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet 
> > Time  issue so far,
> 
> 
> Ah, TM "Quiet Time",what perfect rebranding.  Who could object to a little 
> quiet time.
> 
> Catholic Communion "Quiet Time"
> 
> Santeria Chicken sacrifice "Quiet Time"
> 
> Giving yourself to Jesus' salvation "Quiet Time"
> 
> That works really well but I think I missed a special point of how to make it 
> even more palatable for the schools from the TM pros.
> 
> CC "Quiet Time"
> SCS "Quiet Time"
> GYTJS "Quiet Time"
> 
> Now who could ever have a problem with that!  Those names just sound so 
> cute, kinda falls off the tongue.  And how many harried parents and teachers 
> don't wish for a little more "Quiet Time!"
> 
> One last one for a bonus point:
> STFU "Quiet Time"
> 
> It is so funny to see Paul up there when his own TM practice is by his own 
> description only occasional.  He hasn't bought into many of the self 
> improvement benifits of regular practice.  His most regular practice is 
> smoking weed, one of the biggest TM no-nos.  The first time he tried it when 
> Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on, he exclaimed that he could really "think" 
> for the first time in his life. His correspondingly weak praise for TM seems 
> a bit damming in comparison.  But like most people who took TM, even if he 
> gives it lip-service, he does not practice it regularly. Even if TM really 
> was what is claimed, the truth is that people won't practice it regularly, 
> even if they believe it works a bit.  You have to buy into the deeper belief 
> system that includes more religious aspects for people to spend their time 
> doing TM. And it turns out that this is a tiny number of people compared to 
> who was initiated.  The lone TMer practicing quietly without the full blown 
> belief system is a myth.  
> 
> But these kids who I have taught in school, at risk kids, with so many 
> sociological problems pulling at them that special education teachers 
> struggle to teach them to read a menu before the succumb to gangs who offer 
> them a family, these kids are going to do what millions of people with higher 
> educations and incomes failed to do: stick with TM.
> 
> Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social 
> ills that are dragging down these kids.  But it wouldn't even matter if TM 
> did work to raise them up.  They wont practice TM, nobody does.  And the 
> movement couldn't care less about this fact as they launch program after 
> program destined to fail after scooping up  a few bucks.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW"  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > HI, Curtis, Sal, and everyone,
> > > > 
> > > > It's not my intention to end the fight here. But it's important to me 
> > > > that my co-presenters not become entangled in some protracted legal 
> > > > battle with DLF or TMO.
> > > > 
> > > > I believe it may be possible to use this turn of events to publicize my 
> > > > concerns about TM in public schools in a much larger fashion than the 
> > > > webinar itself would have done. I believe the aftermath of this concert 
> > > > will be that the TM Org is held to a level of scrutiny that they have 
> > > > not seen before.
> > > > 
> > > > But I'm taking the afternoon off to decompress. This has been an 
> > > > emotional day for me. I have received many emails of support for which 
> > > > I am thankful. 
> > > > 
> > > > Talk to you soon!
> > > > 
> > > > J.
> > > > 
> > > > John M. Knapp, LMSW
> > > > Recovery from 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says

2009-04-04 Thread I am the eternal
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Nelson  wrote:

>  I don't think this will cause a noticeable problem as it will be such a
> long time before the windmills excede the number of trees that have been cut
> down that we shouldn't worry.
>

I stole this piece from Slashdot where there a lot of very qualified people
from around the world posting.  Very refreshing from FFL.

It was noted and agreed with that this would actually help with global
warming because there's too much energy in the Earth right now.  Capturing
some of the wind would lower the energy level of the Earth and thereby
"cool" it.

Now as long as we have enough trucks on highways we'll always have enough
wind.  You see when I was knee high to a grasshopper, we lived pretty much
out in the country.  A state highway ran about 1/4 mile away from us.  I
observed that trucks speeding by on highways made wind so I generalized to
the entire weather system.  I had to do some real stretching to explain
hurricanes.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit
> > against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet 
> > Time  issue so far,
> 
> 
> Ah, TM "Quiet Time",what perfect rebranding.  Who could object to a little 
> quiet time.
> 

TM is optional during the TM quiet time. 

> Catholic Communion "Quiet Time"
> 
> Santeria Chicken sacrifice "Quiet Time"
> 
> Giving yourself to Jesus' salvation "Quiet Time"
> 
> That works really well but I think I missed a special point of how to make it 
> even more palatable for the schools from the TM pros.
> 
> CC "Quiet Time"
> SCS "Quiet Time"
> GYTJS "Quiet Time"
> 
> Now who could ever have a problem with that!  Those names just sound so 
> cute, kinda falls off the tongue.  And how many harried parents and teachers 
> don't wish for a little more "Quiet Time!"
> 
> One last one for a bonus point:
> STFU "Quiet Time"
> 
> It is so funny to see Paul up there when his own TM practice is by his own 
> description only occasional.  He hasn't bought into many of the self 
> improvement benifits of regular practice.  His most regular practice is 
> smoking weed, one of the biggest TM no-nos.  The first time he tried it when 
> Bob Dylan turned the Beatles on, he exclaimed that he could really "think" 
> for the first time in his life. His correspondingly weak praise for TM seems 
> a bit damming in comparison.  But like most people who took TM, even if he 
> gives it lip-service, he does not practice it regularly. Even if TM really 
> was what is claimed, the truth is that people won't practice it regularly, 
> even if they believe it works a bit.  You have to buy into the deeper belief 
> system that includes more religious aspects for people to spend their time 
> doing TM. And it turns out that this is a tiny number of people compared to 
> who was initiated.  The lone TMer practicing quietly without the full blown 
> belief system is a myth.  

Not really. In situations where elderly meditators in rest homes  have been 
turned loose with  no consitent followup past the first few months, TM is 
still practiced decades later, unlike the other meditation relaxation 
techniques,
even though all were taught using a format deliberately similar to the TM
program's.

And there IS a followup in the case of the TM quiet time thing. Its just not
formally associated with the TM center. Having the kids come in 
every day at the same time to do TM is certainly more formal than what the
rewst home residents did, and they showed very high compliance yeras later
compared to the other meditation;/relaxation techniques.


> 
> But these kids who I have taught in school, at risk kids, with so many 
> sociological problems pulling at them that special education teachers 
> struggle to teach them to read a menu before the succumb to gangs who offer 
> them a family, these kids are going to do what millions of people with higher 
> educations and incomes failed to do: stick with TM.
> 

Again, giving them a structured quiet time may make more difference than you
believe. Certainly, without any evidence either way, ytour concerns are 
premature,
and in fact, looking at the equivaent programs in rest homes and prisons
suggest they are simply misplaced. Given a chance to be regular in TM, including
having a time formally set aside for practice, most people WILL be regular
in TM practice.


> Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures don't address the social 
> ills that are dragging down these kids.  But it wouldn't even matter if TM 
> did work to raise them up.  They wont practice TM, nobody does.  And the 
> movement couldn't care less about this fact as they launch program after 
> program destined to fail after scooping up  a few bucks.  
> 


Are you really claiming that MMY (in his previous incarnation), Hagelin, 
Morris, Roth, 
not to mention Lynch and McCarthy, are involved in this MERELY to make money?

I think you're as far off in your attitude here as you are in your 'tude about
TM being the same as Benson's Relaxation Response--maybe further.

The long-term goal of the TMO is to have converts. The rationale for having 
the converts is that the participants think that participation BY the converts
 will do the converts some good. It isn't JUST about the marketing numbers. 
The participants aren't merely employees of the TMO with loyalty only to the 
organization that pays their paycheck. They have motives outside of 
marketshare for the sake of income for the imeediate benefit of the TMO and
its stockholders.


Lawson






[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>  What is that > underlying motivation?
> 
> Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM is 
> finally becoming "mainstream", as Paul naively parroted in the news 
> conference.  The triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole world will 
> recognize how brilliant this tiny group of believers are.  This is the big 
> one gang, look, there are two BEATLES, celebrity royalty,on the side of TM! 
> (which they don't regularly practice but are all for the idea of kids doing 
> so.)  

Which belies your claim that the TMO is getting converts merely for the sake
of getting a few bucks. The motivations are far more convoluted than simply
immediate (or even long-term) profit.

L.





[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > What is that underlying motivation?
> 
> Making the few people sticking to the belief system 
> believe that TM is finally becoming "mainstream", as 
> Paul naively parroted in the news conference. The 
> triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole 
> world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group 
> of believers are.  

I have to agree.

This is a move aimed at what really provides
the income for the TM movement -- True Believers.
With Maharishi gone, the people stuck with trying
to run a dying movement have realized that they
have to do something -- anything -- to "reinspire"
the Previously Faithful so that they will become
Faithful again and start writing those checks.

In other words, it's a self-importance thang.

Too many people "leaving the fold?" Give them an
aging rock star or two. Initiations at near-zero
and contributions drying up? Make them feel all
special as if they are the only ones who can save
the world. 

Hey, it worked for Maharishi for decades, right? :-)





[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I never 
> had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even remotely looks 
> like "quiet time."
> 
> I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was there, 
> kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the point of 
> laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each other, 
> speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made eye contact 
> with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes."
> 
> Yeah, I was the substitute and kids like to misbehave when a sub is there, 
> but, still, if that's how they act when "no one important is looking," then 
> that's a strong measurement of MSAE's inability to inculcate a reverence for 
> TM...or that a reverence naturally bubbles up eventually in the kids.  And 
> don't miss that all the rich folks never send their kids to MUM for college.
> 
> In the public schools, believe me, any TM teacher is going to be a substitute 
> to them, and quiet time will be only as quiet as you can get a room with 
> twenty spitballs whizzing constantly.
> 
> It'll be war.
> 

You may have a point, but in fact, it iss the local school teachers conducting
the quiet time as far as I know, and part of the "contract" to attend is that 
the kids
be quiet during that time. 

L



[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning! Vaj has played you to the hilt in an intellectual scam

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:

> > Something good is happening. I never doubted
> > Vaj was a fraud. He certainly didn't sound
> > like he knew anything AT ALL about TM. Worse
> > yet, he claimed he was a TM teacher but 
> > failed to produce a shred of evidence.
> 
> Think what you like about his points, this
> challenge is absurd if he wants to keep his
> name off this forum.

Oh, he could produce some evidence that
couldn't be linked to his name, like which
TTC he attended and the names of those who
ran it, or helped MMY run it. (Of course, 
he could get such information from someone
who actually was there even if he wasn't,
but at least it would be *something*.)

More importantly, there would be no call for
such evidence if Vaj's presentation of what TM
involves were as accurate as, say, yours.

There's a reason why Vaj is the only person on
FFL claiming to have been a TM teacher whose
credentials have been seriously challenged.

(By "seriously," I mean Willytex and Nabby aside.)

> And given the vitriol directed his way I can
> understand why.  It still seems unreasonable
> to me that he has this intense interest and
> inside knowledge about the movement without
> being a teacher.

TM teachers aren't the only ones who have an
interest in and inside knowledge of the TMO.

> I think that his understanding about the
> details of meditaton has shifted too far to
> connect with people who only have studied TM.

This isn't at all convincing as an explanation
for why he gets so many details of what TM
involves factually incorrect.


> That is why I give the old Kumbaya speech to
> you and Judy every now and then about
> communicating with Vaj on a more detailed
> intellectual level.

You know, Curtis, we're pretty much in the same
position you are when Nabby refers to your music
as "hillbilly music." Even if Nabby had extensive
knowledge of, say, jazz, there wouldn't be any
point in your trying to communicate with him about
the blues vs. jazz on a "more detailed intellectual
level" if he's starting from the misapprehension
that the blues is "hillbilly music."

What you'd need to do first would be to find
out why he thought that and disabuse him of the
notion.

Not a perfect parallel, but the point is that 
you can't engage in a meaningful "compare and
contrast" exercise with a person whose
understanding of one of the elements in the
comparison is faulty.

For that matter, Vaj doesn't seem to be capable
of explaining *his* favored end of the 
comparison clearly. (And if emptybill's analysis
is on target, Vaj either doesn't understand it
or is misrepresenting it as well.)

> I would enjoy reading it.  I accept that this
> relationship is too broken to fix.

There's an interesting thread from some years
ago on alt.m.t that represents Vaj's first
major incursion into that forum, between Vaj
and me and several other knowledgeable TMers.
The TMers maintained politeness and gave Vaj
the benefit of the doubt for some time; it was
Vaj who initially devolved into the ad hominem
and open contempt that has always characterized
his exchanges with TMers here. Also clearly
evident were his reluctance (or inability) to
explain himself or justify his positions, as
well as numerous misunderstandings about the
nature of TM and the TM-Sidhis.

If you'd be interested in reading the thread,
I could dig it up for you.

Point being, it would be hard to make a case
that Vaj has *ever* been interested in having
an intellectually meaningful dialogue with
committed TMers.




[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > > What is that underlying motivation?
> > 
> > Making the few people sticking to the belief system 
> > believe that TM is finally becoming "mainstream", as 
> > Paul naively parroted in the news conference. The 
> > triumphalist dream has finally come and the whole 
> > world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group 
> > of believers are.  
> 
> I have to agree.

Eh, its certainly a factor but...

> 
> This is a move aimed at what really provides
> the income for the TM movement -- True Believers.
> With Maharishi gone, the people stuck with trying
> to run a dying movement have realized that they
> have to do something -- anything -- to "reinspire"
> the Previously Faithful so that they will become
> Faithful again and start writing those checks.
> 
> In other words, it's a self-importance thang.


Sure, but there's a "higher purpose" than simply
getting people to donate the money. It's money for
"a worthy cause" that all participants agree with that
is the key here: 

> 
> Too many people "leaving the fold?" Give them an
> aging rock star or two. Initiations at near-zero
> and contributions drying up? Make them feel all
> special as if they are the only ones who can save
> the world. 
> 

Yep, but...


> Hey, it worked for Maharishi for decades, right? :-)
>


For quite a while, yes. And he ensured it would continue to
work by making his most regular donors "rajas" who were special
in the eyes of the rest of the organization.

You see cynical manipulation of the masses. I see enlightened awareness
of how to get people to do something that is (presumably) good for them
and the rest of Humanity.

As HHTDL says: they use rituals and pomp and circumstance in Tibetan 
Buddhism "because it works."


Lawson



[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
  
> 
> When I asked what other meditation program has the resources to accomplish a 
> plan as far reaching as the TMO, you suggested three free meditations. I 
> doubt any of them has ever proffered a program equal to the goals of the TMO 
> for the schools. Maybe they don't charge for meditation but they usually 
> raise money for workshops, books and tapes, CD's DVD's, retreats and an 
> assortment of meditation aids, cushions, shawls, beads, and trinkets. Every 
> organization figures out a way to make money or it doesn't survive or have 
> the ability to promote itself. 
> 
> Besides the objection you have to TM raising money, which other organizations 
> do as well, the organizations that teach the meditation techniques you 
> suggest probably have the other taints you object to as well: cult and 
> religious roots.
> 
> So there you have it. Horse a piece. However, the TMO can and will have a 
> successful TM program for thousands of kids in American schools while the 
> other meditation techniques you mentioned will not. Don't you have to ask 
> yourself why?

Well said !




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> > 
> > > > If I might make a suggestion:
> > 
> > > > It appears that the TMO has at its disposal a legal team that you, on 
> > > > your own, can't match. Why not get the ACLU and Americans United for 
> > > > Separation of Church and State involved - and we'll see how 
> > > > successfully the TMO's 'invincible' legal team stands up.
> > 
> > > > This issue really DOES deserve a conclusive decision - one way or 
> > > > another.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > The ACLU likely has no stake in the matter, but Americans United may.
> > 
> > 
> > Not true, Lawson. See for example: 
> > 
> > Americans United For Separation Of Church And State And ACLU File Brief 
> > Objecting To Government Promotion of Prayer In Texas' "Moment Of Silence" 
> > Law (6/9/2008)
> > 
> > http://www.aclu.org/religion/schools/35582prs20080609.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > However, they have been unable to convince any parents to bring lawsuit> 
> > > against the local schools and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM 
> > > Quiet Time> issue so far, 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I believe that the Americans United for Separation of Church and State can 
> > act on their own to bring suit.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > and it may be that neither John nor any of his fellow anti-quiet-time> 
> > > friends have standing in teh courts either.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > You don't need "standing in the courts" to initiate legal action, Lawson.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > There's been several interviews with the Americans United folk over 
> > > this,> BTW. I think you can find reference to it on their website.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --  "TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism," says Barry 
> > Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and 
> > State, which keeps a close legal eye on the TM movement. 
> > 
> > "There are no imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative 
> > Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public 
> > schools then Hinduism can't be either."
> > 
> > ~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Here's an example where the Americans United for Separation of Church and 
> > State was effective in making its case against TM being incorporated into 
> > public schools:
> > 
> > 
> > -- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation --
> > 
> > A California public school has dumped plans for a meditation class for 
> > students amid concerns from parents that it would be promoting religion.
> > 
> > Terra Linda High School in San Rafael was preparing to offer students 
> > instruction on Transcendental Meditation (TM). TM is an offshoot of 
> > Hinduism, though some of its supporters eschew its religious underpinning 
> > and argue the practice is actually science-related.
> > 
> > The critically acclaimed filmmaker David Lynch, director of offbeat films 
> > such as "Wild at Heart," and "Blue Velvet," had offered the school a 
> > $175,000 grant to start the TM program.
> > 
> > A school board meeting in October, however, drew the ire of parents. 
> > According to the Associated Press, the meeting turned "chaotic, with one 
> > parent rushing the stage to denounce TM as a cult."
> > 
> > Following the controversy, Lynch's foundation withdrew the grant offer.
> > 
> > In 1979, a federal appeals court ruled that a New Jersey public school 
> > could not legally sponsor TM. That case was brought in part by Americans 
> > United. One judge noted that the names of Hindu deities are chanted in TM 
> > ceremonies.
> > 
> > TM practitioners, the court ruled, were attempting to "take a cow and put a 
> > sign on it that says `horse.'"
> > 
> > Americans United for Separation of Church and State:  
> > http://www.au.org/site/News2?abbr=cs_&id=8766&page=NewsArticle
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > L.
> >
> 
> Ok, but recall that the objection was made locally by a former Fairfield 
> resident,
> and NOT by ACLU or Americans United.
> 
> My reading has been that neither has been able to bring a lawsuit on their own
> and has needed to have a local parent step in.
> 
> E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi.
> 
> The fact that 
> 1) the puja is done outside school
> 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time
> 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program
> 4) that no theory is taught during the school program
> 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school
> 
> 
> all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case.


To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag Christianists 
who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist religion into the 
public school system in the guise of intelligent design.

Both approac

[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
> > do think that kids would benefit from learning a
> > simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
> > form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
> > problematic because I honestly believe that the way
> > it's taught and explained in followup talks is
> > religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
> > schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
> > of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
> > decide that.
> 
> While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good  
> thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at  
> risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for  
> the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing  
> negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world  
> countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem  
> to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less,  
> as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In  
> other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting  
> the poor because they're an easy target.

In Tucson, they're targetting charter school kids, who often are from 
wealthy families. Its more a matter of taretting people who don't 
object, then anything else, I think.

> 
> What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is  
> it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM  
> Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at  
> 600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could  
> easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could  
> teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing.  
> Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that  
> underlying motivation?
>

But, the funding pays for the local TM teachers AND their management 
of the program. This frees the TM teachers up to do outreach to the current
meditating population rather than try to seek more converts, which is
a Very Good Thing from the perspective of the TM teachers since they
are no longer required to preach to non-believers with no motivation to
pay the huge TM fee upfront.

E.G. rather than wasting their time trying to sell TM to adults directly,
the local center brings in Sitar players to give mini concerts and/or
Indian elders to talk up TM on the reservation and/or MIU faculty to
talk up research, all of which is directed at believers, so there's no 
despondancy from trying to sell an expensive intro course to non-believers.

It also gives the believers a better venue for promoting TM themselves
to their non-believer friends.

Its a LOT more effective to take someone to a pot luck dinner with a sitarist
 performing, where everyone chats about the performance, than drag them
to an intro lecture where they are pitched a $2500 program.

None of this may be a direct rationale on the part of the TM teachers or
the TMO, but it is how it works out in practice.

It's quite a practical system, I think and seems to have evolved spontaneously
in the past few years. Much more sustainable than the old TMO, IMHO.


Lawson






[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
[...]
> > Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
> > in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
> > McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
> > But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
> > have *always* been into it -- for the money and
> > to grow the cult. IMO, of course.
> 
> Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact
> aren't worth a whole helluva lot.
> 
> IMO, of course.
>

Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on something you've put
a positive spin on. Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree
that the goal is to "grow the organization" (cult or otherwise). The
money is merely a secondary goal in service of the first.

L.



Re: [FairfieldLife] Questions and Answers

2009-04-04 Thread Vaj


On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:13 AM, raunchydog wrote:

What to do? Swami Rama is dead and Vaj has gone into silence  
contemplating a body part. Since I can't get them to answer my  
questions, I'll answer myself. Anyone can chime in. Inquiring minds  
want to know.


I was out of posts.

A couple of questions for you RD, while we're at it:

Do you understand the difference between nondual contemplation and  
introspective samadhi-style meditation?


Which represents "the highest first"?

Do you understand the different styles of samadhi in nondual  
contemplation and introverted samadhi and the different results of each?


How are these practiced in the Vedanta tradition?

What are the advantages of each?

What are the disadvantages of each?

On Apr 3, 2009, at 11:13 AM, raunchydog wrote:
What to do? Swami Rama is dead and Vaj has gone into silence  
contemplating a body part. Since I can't get them to answer my  
questions, I'll answer myself. Anyone can chime in. Inquiring minds  
want to know.


Q. If you had a chance to teach millions of people meditation or a  
handful of monks contemplation, would you prefer teaching many or a few?



Why do the "millions" get the choice of meditation, but monks get the  
choice of  [Vedantic?] contemplation? Not a fair question since you're  
offering two different things to different people. IF it is an  
effective meditation method that can reduce negative or destructive  
emotions and increase compassion, THEN it would be worthwhile to teach  
it to others. The ideal principle is to teach methods based on the  
person, not on the technique.



Q. If you prefer teaching only a few monks contemplation, what is the  
relative benefit to creating a peaceful world compared to teaching  
millions meditation?


Again, you're offering two different things to different people. You'd  
be better off finding a good form of meditation that reduces negative  
emotions and increases empathy and then as soon as people are able or  
interested wean then towards non-dual contemplation (the principle of  
the highest first).


A. Everyone wants a peaceful world but it seems to be in our DNA to  
fight to establish dominance for me and mine. Although torn between  
altruism and self-interest, TM makes it possible to resolve our  
conflicts by finding common ground in the consciousness we share as  
humans. Since nothing else has ever worked, if TM can create a  
peaceful world, and I believe that it can, why not give peace a  
chance? A few monks contemplating can help create world peace but  
millions practicing TM will carry the day. If there's a better, easier  
way to create world peace, I'd like to hear about it.


Unfortunately TM results in a form of meditation that tends to  
activate the egocentric circuitry of the brain. What we need is  
meditation forms that are not religious (like TM) and activate the  
allocentric brain circuitry like Mindfulness Meditation which is free  
or very inexpensive. When allocentric meditators are shown very averse  
imagery, the compassion amplifying parts of the prefrontal cortex  
"light up". In others, this circuitry simply shuts down and goes dark.  
We don't need people who shut down when people are suffering and we  
don't need people who just sit around and talk about themselves and  
their "experiences" 30 some years after the fact. Therefore, if we are  
interested in world peace, not world piece, we need people to be doing  
meditation methods that are free or cheap, eliminate negative,  
destructive emotions and increase empathy (i.e. enhance our mirror- 
neuron circuitry)


Q. Do only monks practice contemplation because controlling the mind  
is a difficult task that most people would bail on?


What makes you think monks only practice contemplation? What makes you  
think that householders don't practice nondual contemplation? Vedanta  
and Buddhist nondual contemplation are quite popular, although they  
work best for people who already can calm their minds (through  
whatever method).




Q. Do you think contemplation is superior to meditation? Why?

It ultimately depends on the capacity of the person. But yes, it is  
according to Vedanta and Buddhism (and probably some other traditions  
as well!). Having said that, if you have a deep enough technique, you  
can be enlightened using any number of techniques, even introspective  
samadhi--but such a technique has to really lead to bonafide samadhi,  
not light trance or self-hypnotic states!



Q. If one practices meditation and experiences samadhi, after some  
time of witnessing the duality of self and non-self, there is a  
natural and spontaneous desire to unify self and non-self. Love  
naturally draws the meditator toward unity, effortlessly. Seems to me  
"Thou are That" would be the result in either meditation (easy for  
many) or contemplation (difficult for many). What say you?


"Thou Art That" is one of the techniques used in nondual  
contemplation, Vedanta style.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
[...]
> > Ok, but recall that the objection was made locally by a former Fairfield 
> > resident,
> > and NOT by ACLU or Americans United.
> > 
> > My reading has been that neither has been able to bring a lawsuit on their 
> > own
> > and has needed to have a local parent step in.
> > 
> > E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi.
> > 
> > The fact that 
> > 1) the puja is done outside school
> > 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time
> > 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program
> > 4) that no theory is taught during the school program
> > 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school
> > 
> > 
> > all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case.
> 
> 
> To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag Christianists 
> who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist religion into 
> the public school system in the guise of intelligent design.

Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in terms 
of 
a relaxation program) are on a similar level.

I don't think that that is the case.

There's no way to justify intellligent design as being "scientific" but its 
certainly
plausible to justify "quiet time" as being worthy. The question is: is TM
a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is:
what does it matter?

 FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than
any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any school
participation is only to the level that they would have for sponsoring any other
quiet time in that same school.

> 
> Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest.
> 
> 

 To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than
others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well.

The ID people may tout ID as an "alternative theory" but don't give 
any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first place.

The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM
is WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book.

> 
> > Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak
> > to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires
> > parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation> 
> > and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather>  
> > than let someone take them to court because they objected.> 
> > They've learned, in other words.
> 
> 
> The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn of the 
> Americans United for Separation of Church and State said:
> 
> "TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no 
> imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative
> Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public 
> schools then Hinduism can't be either."
> 

There are no imediate cases because no Malnak has stepped forward to
be a spokesperson for "Americans United for Separation of Church and State".

> ~NEWSWEEK - May 29, 2008: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139206
> 
> 
> This issue deserves to be fully addressed legally and brought to a conclusive 
> decision.

Sure, but will they be able to in the context of how it is being presented?

With no legal standing, no lawsuit can be brought.


L.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

2009-04-04 Thread off_world_beings

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I
never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even
remotely looks like "quiet time."
>
> I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was
there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the
point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each
other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made
eye contact with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes.">>


It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in
public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never had
any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche about
kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in my
case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it kept
happening in different schools in different parts of the country. The
MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with the
wide range of diverse personlalities that I love so much about teaching.

OffWorld



Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: Another use for WD 40

2009-04-04 Thread I am the eternal
On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM,  wrote:

An engineer's dictum:  if it's not supposed to move, use duct tape.  If it's
supposed to move, use WD40.


[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> > However, they have been unable to convince any 
> > parents to bring lawsuit against the local schools
> > and the David Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet
> > Time issue so far, 
> 
> I believe that the Americans United for Separation of
> Church and State can act on their own to bring suit.

Probably not. No standing.

> > and it may be that neither John nor any of his
> > fellow anti-quiet-time friends have standing in
> > teh courts either.
> 
> You don't need "standing in the courts" to initiate
> legal action, Lawson.

Not to initiate it, but it'll be thrown out of court
if you don't have standing, so you might as well not
bother.

Do you even know what "standing" is? Here's a primer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_standing


> Here's an example where the Americans United for 
> Separation of Church and State was effective in
> making its case against TM being incorporated into
> public schools:
> 
> -- Calif. School Cancels Plans For Transcendental Meditation -

Not an example, sorry. Americans United had nothing
to do with the Terra Linda situation. All they're
doing in what you quoted is reporting on the brouhaha.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
off_world_beings wrote:
> It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. 

Off,

I have degrees in Education from Wayne State University, and University of 
California.

I went to over ten jyotishis that proclaimed my dharma was teaching and 
preaching.

I'm inclined to feel validated by the above.  Not that it's a gimme.

Glad that you had kids who didn't act out.  Lucky you, sez me.

I taught school in inner city Detroit, in rich suburbs, at MSAE, and I taught 
individual children in the TM center.  I had knives pulled on me, had parents 
as disconnected as zombies, had smarmy high-hatting parents, had everything 
across the spectrum, and I'm here to tell you that kids in general will not be 
able to pull off quiet time for any longer than the MSAE kids.  The MSAE kids 
have all the support from parents and community and all the dogma being pumped 
into them, and yet, look at my experiences with them.  What can we expect from 
non-brainwashed kids?

How many weeks of quiet time will it take for the average kid to chuck it for 
lack of obvious results?  Not much time at all IMO.

In fact, any kid who participates will run the risk of being called "mental" by 
the typical shithead miscreant kids that all schools must endure.

Of the 2,000 people I taught, I often saw folks who paid good money for TM 
instruction quit within a week and never even come back for their 10 day 
checking even.  All the persons I taught for free (not many but some who were 
in deep poverty) gave up TM -- if anything -- even sooner.  So much for 
gratitude, eh?

Charlie Lutes always made fun of those who thought that they would run away and 
just meditate in a cave somewhere.  Why?  Charlie said: "There has to be 
something that keeps you in the cave."

Kids are not going to easily find "that something" that is necessary to keep 
them inside their "cave minds."  The ones that do resonate with the quiet time 
will be precious, but not plentiful.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE, and I
> never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even
> remotely looks like "quiet time."
> >
> > I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I was
> there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to the
> point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to each
> other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I made
> eye contact with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes.">>
> 
> 
> It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in
> public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never had
> any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche about
> kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in my
> case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it kept
> happening in different schools in different parts of the country. The
> MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with the
> wide range of diverse personlalities that I love so much about teaching.
> 
> OffWorld
>




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> > However, they have been unable to convince any parents
> > to bring lawsuit against the local schools and the David
> > Lynch Foundation over the TM Quiet Time  issue so far,
> 
> Ah, TM "Quiet Time",what perfect rebranding.  Who could
> object to a little quiet time.

Uh, Curtis, TM didn't invent the term or the concept.
It actually originated with evangelical Christianity.

However, it's now become a generic term for a period
in school equivalent to "nap time" for preschoolers.
(In some schools, in fact, Quiet Time involves
mindfulness meditation.)

You are aware that Lynch's Quiet Time program
involves a choice between TM and some other Quiet
Time activity (not funded by Lynch), are you not?


> Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures
> don't address the social ills that are dragging down
> these kids.

No, but maybe it'll help them deal with those ills
without freaking out. (And if they can then make it
through school and through college and get decent
jobs, that *could* begin to make a dent in the social
ills they had to grow up with.)

> But it wouldn't even matter if TM did work to raise
> them up.  They wont practice TM, nobody does.

"Nobody does"? Want to rethink that?

They may not continue TM once they aren't in an
environment that mandates Quiet Time; but again,
just managing to get through school without falling
apart one way or another would be a major benefit
for many of them.




Re: [FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 4, 2009, at 6:59 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


No other organization is more capable, willing or funded
enough to tackle a project of the magnitude proposed by
the TMO.


LOL. The TMO is **not** funding this. They are
getting PAID $600 a head for every student they
teach. They are doing what they've always done,
trying to get someone else to pay for everything
while sitting on bank accounts and real estate
worth millions and millions of dollars.

By comparison at least three groups I know of --
Mindfulness Meditation, Sahaja Meditation and
Vipassana Meditation -- teach FOR FREE and
always have. They don't look at what they do as
a way of making money; the TMO does.


No one else has ever come forward with the resources or
a plan to teach as many kids ANY meditation technique.


The groups mentioned above are not trying to
recruit people into their cult and finding them-
selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.


Not to mention that the TMO as "capable"
of anything except starting projects and then
quickly running them into the ground is pretty
funny.  Seems like raunchy has been in a time
warp for the last 30 years or so.

Sal



Re: [FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:33 AM, raunchydog wrote:


The groups mentioned above are not trying to
recruit people into their cult and finding them-
selves unable to do so without marketing to kids.


If the groups you mentioned teach for free, why are they not  
capable of implementing a program to teach as many kids in the  
schools as the TMO is willing and able to do?


Um, because they're uninterested in trying
to force kids to do something they don't want to?
just a thought...

Sal



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi

2009-04-04 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:45 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine   
wrote:


On Apr 4, 2009, at 1:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are
contained in this viral email sent to meditators.
One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest
*asking price* (much less what they actually got
for them) was $750, most much less.

Now could we have a comment from you about your
charge of "insane?"


Yeah, he'll ignore it rather than admit he was wrong.=


You know, I've always prided myself on admitting I was wrong when
someone points out to me "the facts" that contradict my beliefs on  
something.


Do you have a reason to think otherwise, or are you merely assuming
that since I disagree with you about so many "obvious" things
that I'm totally unreasonable and dishonest in how I deal with you?


Nope, just spouting off. :)  I see that
you did admit it, so thanks.  Mea culpa
and all that...

Sal



[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> [...]
> > > Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
> > > in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
> > > McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
> > > But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
> > > have *always* been into it -- for the money and
> > > to grow the cult. IMO, of course.
> > 
> > Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact
> > aren't worth a whole helluva lot.
> > 
> > IMO, of course.
> 
> Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on
> something you've put a positive spin on.

(Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else
I said in that post.)

> Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree
> that the goal is to "grow the organization" (cult
> or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal
> in service of the first.

Growing the organization is a secondary goal in
service of the primary goal, which is getting as
many people as possible to meditate in the belief
that widespread TM practice will bring about world
peace and reduce suffering etc.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:

> > > E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi.
> > > 
> > > The fact that 
> > > 1) the puja is done outside school
> > > 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time
> > > 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program
> > > 4) that no theory is taught during the school program
> > > 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school
> > > 
> > > 
> > > all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case.
> > 
> > 
> > To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag 
> > Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution creationist 
> > religion into the public school system in the guise of intelligent design.
> 
> Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in 
> terms of 
> a relaxation program) are on a similar level.


It doesn't matter, Lawson. What they have in common is that they are both 
dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the 
public school system.



> I don't think that that is the case.
> 
> There's no way to justify intellligent design as being "scientific" but its 
> certainly
> plausible to justify "quiet time" as being worthy. The question is: is TM
> a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is:
> what does it matter?


This so-called "quiet time" is just a disguise, Lawson, for the TMO to 
incorporate TM into the public school system. You're not fooling anyone. 



>  FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than
> any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any school> 
> participation is only to the level that they would have for sponsoring any 
> other> quiet time in that same school.


> > Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest.


>  To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than> 
> others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well.
> The ID people may tout ID as an "alternative theory" but don't give 
> any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first place.


> The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM> is 
> WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book.



Nope. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to 
sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system.



> > > Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak
> > > to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires> > > 
> > > parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey situation> 
> > > and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped aside rather>  
> > > than let someone take them to court because they objected.> > > > They've 
> > > learned, in other words.


> > The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn of 
> > the Americans United for Separation of Church and State said:

> > "TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no 
> > imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative
> > Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public 
> > schools then Hinduism can't be either."


> There are no imediate cases because no Malnak has stepped forward to
> be a spokesperson for "Americans United for Separation of Church and State".


While I don't see why the Americans United can't initiate the lawsuit on their 
own, I don't doubt that there WILL be a 'Malnak' if this issue reaches a 
sufficient level of public awareness and the TMO doesn't simply sneak by and 
get away with their typical hokey snow job.



> > This issue deserves to be fully addressed legally and brought to a 
> > conclusive decision.



> Sure, but will they be able to in the context of how it is being presented?> 
> With no legal standing, no lawsuit can be brought.


The you-can't-miss-it-elephant-in-the-room legal standing is that MMY's 
Transcendental Meditation itself is without question deeply and elaborately 
religious-based - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the US 
public education system. 

==As a teacher trained by MMY, I personally consider TM to be a gift from God 
to humanity. The primary issue here is *NOT* the value of TM. It's the 
underlying fundamental principle of maintaining the separation of church and 
state in a democracy that's paid for by and was set up to represent and include 
*ALL* Americans from *EVERY* faith and *NO* faith.

Many religions offer off-campus instruction for students and coordinate class 
times with the public school. But those religious facilities and their 
curriculum have no connection to the public school system itself or its 
purpose. Why doesn't the TMO pursue that avenue?==















[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> > Sure, but will they be able to in the context of
> how it is being presented?> With no legal standing,
> no lawsuit can be brought.
> 
> The you-can't-miss-it-elephant-in-the-room legal
> standing is that MMY's Transcendental Meditation
> itself is without question deeply and elaborately
> religious-based - and because of that it should not
> be incorporated into the US public education system. 

Even if this characterization of TM were true, it
wouldn't constitute legal standing.

Please, inform yourself.




Re: [FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:36 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
What is that > underlying motivation?

Making the few people sticking to the belief system believe that TM  
is finally becoming "mainstream", as Paul naively parroted in the  
news conference.  The triumphalist dream has finally come and the  
whole world will recognize how brilliant this tiny group of  
believers are.  This is the big one gang, look, there are two  
BEATLES, celebrity royalty,on the side of TM! (which they don't  
regularly practice but are all for the idea of kids doing so.)


Anybody ever thought of asking if their kids do?  Or ever did?

Sal



[FairfieldLife] Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp

http://tinyurl.com/c8jqsk

I have been very disappointed at Obama's not being supportive about legalizing 
pot -- if only to save our country from billions spent to maintain the policing 
and incarceration efforts.  My opinion is that Obama doesn't want to be 
ridiculed by the vicious rightwing with racial epithets of "see, you elect a 
N-word, and what do you get?"

So, I understand, Mr. Obama, yes, I do, but, HA!, now you've got a real 
problem.  If you support the growing of hemp, then the cops won't be able to 
spot the pot growing as easily, and hemp will be grown in every yard as a 
decorative plant cuz it's low maintence, and what's a cop to do with hundreds 
of houses with pot-esque plants growing?  No way can law enforcement AFFORD the 
processing necessary to sort out the hemp growers from the pot growers.  

So, if Obama supports this bill for hemp, I'll take that as a read on his "true 
stance" about pot. Yay! If he drags his heels on this bill, then he's sold out 
to booze, alcohol and forestry industries.and increasingly, these days, the 
prison industry which thrives on the regular supply of African Americans 
targeted by the cops.

Edg



[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says

2009-04-04 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Shemp, Shemp, Shemp,
> 
> Please tell us the below was you being satirical.
> 
> Edg



My response to that, Edg, is similar to the response given to people who ask a 
salesman, say, how much the Rolls Royce in the showroom costs: if you have to 
ask, you can't afford it.

Edg, if you have to ask whether what I wrote was satirical you really aren't in 
a position to understand satire.





> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they will 
> > cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our planet 
> > to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep space along 
> > with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that isn't tethered to 
> > Mother Earth.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm*
> > > *
> > > Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would be
> > > around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a
> > > city. *
> > > 
> > > *[image: Los Angeles Times] 
> > > 
> > > The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind
> > > turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to chart 
> > > a
> > > course for offshore energy development.
> > > By Jim Tankersley
> > > April 3, 2009
> > >  Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines could
> > > potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's 
> > > current
> > > demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday.
> > > 
> > > Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most
> > > accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could
> > > produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, Interior
> > > Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals Management
> > > Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable development 
> > > on
> > > the outer continental shelf.
> > > 
> > >  The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which 
> > > the
> > > Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity --
> > > enough to meet a quarter of the national demand.
> > > 
> > > The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the
> > > California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges.
> > > 
> > > The Interior Department released an executive
> > > summaryof the
> > > report on Thursday.
> > > 
> > > It noted that "strong wind resources also exist offshore California, 
> > > Oregon,
> > > Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource
> > > lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially
> > > significant" -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind
> > > potential.
> > > 
> > > The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific coast:
> > > the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil.
> > > 
> > > Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of
> > > agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon 
> > > dioxide
> > > emissions, that "we are only beginning to tap the potential" of offshore
> > > renewable energy.
> > > 
> > > The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a 
> > > course
> > > for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year 
> > > amid
> > > high oil prices and chants of "Drill, baby, drill" at the Republican
> > > National Convention.
> > > 
> > > Critics have accused President Obama and Salazar of dragging their feet on
> > > new oil and gas drilling, and Thursday's report does little to rebut those
> > > complaints.
> > > 
> > > It includes no new estimates of potential oil and gas reserves offshore 
> > > and
> > > notes that some of the existing estimates are based on 25-year-old seismic
> > > studies.
> > > 
> > > Meeting with reporters after his speech, Salazar said he would wait to
> > > decide whether to commission new seismic studies until after he convened a
> > > four-stop series of offshore energy hearings, which begin next week in
> > > Atlantic City, N.J. In San Francisco, a hearing will be held April 16 at 9
> > > a.m. at the Mission Bay Conference Center at UC San Francisco.
> > > 
> > > Drilling advocates say updated estimates could show even more offshore oil
> > > potential.
> > > 
> > > In contrast, Salazar said he expected a push to expedite offshore wind
> > > development to be one of the most significant aspects at the hearings.
> > > 
> > > He pledged to finalize guidelines for such development, which t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could more than meet U.S. electricity needs, report says

2009-04-04 Thread Duveyoung
Clever response!  Thanks for the glib put-down.  I'm braced thereby.

I have been positioning myself here as someone who's in the know about quite a 
few science frontiers, and, you got me good with my knee jerkingly thinking you 
were possibly serious. I'll consider it a belated April Fools joke.

If Turq is wrong, and you do believe the crap below, I suggest you not express 
"your truth" to anyone in the real world lest you be recognized as a 
world-class chicken-little.

It is possible to slow the Earth's spin, but only with massive massive power -- 
such as that tsunami in Indonesia which slightly slowed the Earth's spin.  The 
wind farms will have to have millions to tens of millions of turbines out there 
to even begin to affect the Earth's spin.  And, the Earth would have to stop 
quickly (within a few seconds) in order for anything to be spun off into space.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >
> > Shemp, Shemp, Shemp,
> > 
> > Please tell us the below was you being satirical.
> > 
> > Edg
> 
> 
> 
> My response to that, Edg, is similar to the response given to people who ask 
> a salesman, say, how much the Rolls Royce in the showroom costs: if you have 
> to ask, you can't afford it.
> 
> Edg, if you have to ask whether what I wrote was satirical you really aren't 
> in a position to understand satire.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> > >
> > > The problem with wind turbines is if you put up too many of them they 
> > > will cut down all winds blowing across the world and this will cause our 
> > > planet to stop spinning on its axis and we will all be throw into deep 
> > > space along with planes, trains, automobiles, and anything else that 
> > > isn't tethered to Mother Earth.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-energy3-2009apr03,0,7532220.story?track=rss
> > > > 
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/dzasmm*
> > > > *
> > > > Temperature difference caused by taking the power out of the wind would 
> > > > be
> > > > around 1 degree difference, about the same as the localized effect of a
> > > > city. *
> > > > 
> > > > *[image: Los Angeles Times] 
> > > > 
> > > > The Interior Department report, which looks at the potential of wind
> > > > turbines off the U.S. coast, is part of the government's process to 
> > > > chart a
> > > > course for offshore energy development.
> > > > By Jim Tankersley
> > > > April 3, 2009
> > > >  Reporting from Arlington, Va. -- Wind turbines off U.S. coastlines 
> > > > could
> > > > potentially supply more than enough electricity to meet the nation's 
> > > > current
> > > > demand, the Interior Department reported Thursday.
> > > > 
> > > > Simply harnessing the wind in relatively shallow waters -- the most
> > > > accessible and technically feasible sites for offshore turbines -- could
> > > > produce at least 20% of the power demand for most coastal states, 
> > > > Interior
> > > > Secretary Ken Salazar said, unveiling a report by the Minerals 
> > > > Management
> > > > Service that details the potential for oil, gas and renewable 
> > > > development on
> > > > the outer continental shelf.
> > > > 
> > > >  The biggest wind potential lies off the nation's Atlantic coast, which 
> > > > the
> > > > Interior report estimates could produce 1,000 gigawatts of electricity 
> > > > --
> > > > enough to meet a quarter of the national demand.
> > > > 
> > > > The report also notes large potential in the Pacific, including off the
> > > > California coast, but said the area presented technical challenges.
> > > > 
> > > > The Interior Department released an executive
> > > > summaryof the
> > > > report on Thursday.
> > > > 
> > > > It noted that "strong wind resources also exist offshore California, 
> > > > Oregon,
> > > > Washington and Hawaii, but it appears that the majority of this resource
> > > > lies in deep waters where technology constraints are potentially
> > > > significant" -- a sentiment Salazar echoed when asked about Pacific wind
> > > > potential.
> > > > 
> > > > The report also suggests vast oil and gas reserves off the Pacific 
> > > > coast:
> > > > the equivalent of 10 billion to 18 billion barrels of oil.
> > > > 
> > > > Salazar told attendees at the 25x'25 Summit in Virginia, a gathering of
> > > > agriculture and energy representatives exploring ways to cut carbon 
> > > > dioxide
> > > > emissions, that "we are only beginning to tap the potential" of offshore
> > > > renewable energy.
> > > > 
> > > > The report is a step in the Obama administration's mission to chart a 
> > > > course
> > > > for offshore energy development, an issue that gained urgency last year 
> > > > amid
> > > > high oil price

[FairfieldLife] Re: I am a world famous physicist

2009-04-04 Thread jimjim5886
SO AM I, who am i?



[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > [...]
> > > > Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
> > > > in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
> > > > McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
> > > > But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
> > > > have *always* been into it -- for the money and
> > > > to grow the cult. IMO, of course.
> > > 
> > > Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact
> > > aren't worth a whole helluva lot.
> > > 
> > > IMO, of course.
> > 
> > Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on
> > something you've put a positive spin on.
> 
> (Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else
> I said in that post.)
> 
> > Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree
> > that the goal is to "grow the organization" (cult
> > or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal
> > in service of the first.
> 
> Growing the organization is a secondary goal in
> service of the primary goal, which is getting as
> many people as possible to meditate in the belief
> that widespread TM practice will bring about world
> peace and reduce suffering etc.
>

OK so growing the organization is secondary to growing the participation
of folks in the organization.

Seems a quibble there. I understand why you're quibbling (a bit) but saying
you want to grow membership in an organization defined by participation 
in the practice of TM is not much different than saying you want to grow 
participation  in the practice of TM... ;-)


L




Re: [FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread Bhairitu
Vaj wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2009, at 5:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
>
>   
>> As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
>> do think that kids would benefit from learning a
>> simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
>> form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
>> problematic because I honestly believe that the way
>> it's taught and explained in followup talks is
>> religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
>> schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
>> of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
>> decide that.
>> 
>
> While one did get a good feeling that kids meditating was a good  
> thing, I was more interested in that they are targeting 'kids at  
> risk'. What seems to be happening is, since it's getting harder for  
> the TM Meditation industry to target American kids without drawing  
> negative attention, they're now targeting the poor in third world  
> countries where such opposition is less likely. In America they seem  
> to be targeting the poor also where resistance would likely be less,  
> as resources to investigate or oppose are also much more feeble. In  
> other words, I have wonder if the TM meditation industry is targeting  
> the poor because they're an easy target.
>
> What it really boils down to is: what is the underlying motivation? Is  
> it to help kids, or is it targeted market segments to get the TM  
> Meditation industry back making money and recruiting fresh blood--at  
> 600 bucks a pop? Clearly if it was just for the kids, they could  
> easily pay a salary of 100,000 to a dozen or so teachers who could  
> teach for free for a living. But that is not what they're doing.  
> Therefore, there's a different underlying motivation. What is that  
> underlying motivation?
Sort of like marketing cigarettes to kids?  ;-)

My guru taught a bunch of "at risk" kids meditation as one of his 
disciples was a juvenile probation officer.  So as project he taught 
them.  I never asked if he taught them mantra meditation which he might 
have because Indians are usually unaware of the church vs state thing in 
the US.  And besides they don't see yoga as a religion but a science.   
Just because someone labeled the metaphors "Hindu Gods" doesn't mean it 
is a religion.  But we're dealing with extremely ignorant westerners 
here.  And as I implied my guru wouldn't have had to teach them mantra 
meditation either as we are allowed to teach a bunch of secular 
techniques many which one can locate in books.  They are not as powerful 
as mantra meditation but are still calming.

One of the things that happened during the course with kids is that he 
held a little birthday party at a session for girl who broke down in 
tears when he brought in a birthday cake.  Her shitty family NEVER 
celebrated her birthday.  For some reason I can't imagine TM teachers 
doing that.  They would probably just say "keep meditating and things 
will get better." ;-)



[FairfieldLife] I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP!

2009-04-04 Thread jimjim5886
 I'am trying to save your soul! You have been decieved by the devil and are 
blind to the truth! I'am gods prophet in Rev. 11 and Zechariah 4. I'am the 
reincarnation of the prophet Elijah, also James Zebedee! I'am here to forewarn 
you of your impending doom! If you don't listen to me you will be cursed by God 
as in Malachi 4:6>  
   And he shall turn the heart of the fathers 
to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come 
and smite the earth with a curse.>  
 And then the chances of your burning 
in hell will ownly increace! You don't have much time left before it's to late. 
Thats why i have been good enough to try to explain the truth to you about the 
2 messiahs in the bible, and who i'am and why i'am here. I'am the only one who 
can reveal the man of sin (anti-christ) to the world. It will be only after i 
have done this that the devil satan will be cast out of hevean. Until that time 
the Devil, Satan will remain in heaven and deceive the world and accuse man 
kind before god as in Rev. 12... >  
  7 Then war broke out in heaven; Michael 8 and 
his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back, 
8 
but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 
9 
The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, 9 who is called the Devil and Satan, who 
deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels were thrown 
down with it. 
10 
Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have salvation and power come, 
and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed. For the accuser 
10 of our brothers is cast out, who accuses them before our God day and night.  
>   
 If you read all of my posts you will learn a lot more about the real 
truth. It's like Gabriel told me, "ALL THE CHURCHS ARE GUILTY OF ABOMINATIONS." 
 He also said that what they teach is brain wash. None of the gospels and other 
books of the new testament are original, but are copies that have been past 
down and embellished over a period of the first few hundred years after christ. 
So know one knows what the original books and Letters said. 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> 
> > > > E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi.
> > > > 
> > > > The fact that 
> > > > 1) the puja is done outside school
> > > > 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time
> > > > 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program
> > > > 4) that no theory is taught during the school program
> > > > 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag 
> > > Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution 
> > > creationist religion into the public school system in the guise of 
> > > intelligent design.
> > 
> > Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in 
> > terms of 
> > a relaxation program) are on a similar level.
> 
> 
> It doesn't matter, Lawson. What they have in common is that they are both 
> dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the 
> public school system.
> 


You're assuming that TM, by its own existence, is a religious practice that
is impossible to divorce from the cultural antecedents that MMY brought with it.

Speaking as a Unitarian-Universalist who is quite willing to say "itakimasu" 
with
his japanese friends before a meal, even though that literally means "thanks
to all that have brought us this meal [from the Lord God, to the spirits of the
 land to the farmers who grew the food]" without insisting that it is a 
religious
ceremony, I think that you are wrong here.

> 
> > I don't think that that is the case.
> > 
> > There's no way to justify intellligent design as being "scientific" but its 
> > certainly
> > plausible to justify "quiet time" as being worthy. The question is: is TM
> > a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is:
> > what does it matter?
> 
> 
> This so-called "quiet time" is just a disguise, Lawson, for the TMO to 
> incorporate TM into the public school system. You're not fooling anyone. 
> 

Yes, but it allows for ANY quiet time to be incorporated during that same 
period,
not just the DLF's.

> 
> 
> >  FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than
> > any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any school> 
> > participation is only to the level that they would have for sponsoring any 
> > other> quiet time in that same school.
> 
> 
> > > Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest.
> 
> 
> >  To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than> 
> > others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well.
> > The ID people may tout ID as an "alternative theory" but don't give 
> > any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first 
> > place.
> 
> 
> > The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM> is 
> > WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book.
> 
> 
> 
> Nope. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to 
> sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system.
> 

See above. TM is only religious because people insist that it is.
In the context of a stress-management program for kids, its no more religious
than saying "thanks everyone" at the start of a meal. Probably less.

> 
> 
> > > > Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak
> > > > to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires> > > 
> > > > parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey 
> > > > situation> and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped 
> > > > aside rather>  than let someone take them to court because they 
> > > > objected.> > > > They've learned, in other words.
> 
> 
> > > The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn of 
> > > the Americans United for Separation of Church and State said:
> 
> > > "TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no 
> > > imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative
> > > Christian parents will say if Christianity can't be taught in the public 
> > > schools then Hinduism can't be either."
> 
> 
> > There are no imediate cases because no Malnak has stepped forward to
> > be a spokesperson for "Americans United for Separation of Church and State".
> 
> 
> While I don't see why the Americans United can't initiate the lawsuit on 
> their own, I don't doubt that there WILL be a 'Malnak' if this issue reaches 
> a sufficient level of public awareness and the TMO doesn't simply sneak by 
> and get away with their typical hokey snow job.
> 

Except at the first sign of a Malnak, they withdraw completely.

> 
> 
> > > This issue deserves to be fully addressed legally and bro

[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > > Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
> > > > > in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
> > > > > McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
> > > > > But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
> > > > > have *always* been into it -- for the money and
> > > > > to grow the cult. IMO, of course.
> > > > 
> > > > Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact
> > > > aren't worth a whole helluva lot.
> > > > 
> > > > IMO, of course.
> > > 
> > > Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on
> > > something you've put a positive spin on.
> > 
> > (Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else
> > I said in that post.)
> > 
> > > Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree
> > > that the goal is to "grow the organization" (cult
> > > or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal
> > > in service of the first.
> > 
> > Growing the organization is a secondary goal in
> > service of the primary goal, which is getting as
> > many people as possible to meditate in the belief
> > that widespread TM practice will bring about world
> > peace and reduce suffering etc.
> 
> OK so growing the organization is secondary to growing
> the participation of folks in the organization.

Last I heard, you could practice TM without participating
in the organization. IOW, increasing participation in the
TMO (or just increasing its wealth so it can do more stuff)
and increasing the number of people practicing TM are two
different things (albeit with some overlap, granted).




[FairfieldLife] Re: I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP!

2009-04-04 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jimjim5886"  wrote:
>
> I'am trying to save your soul! You have been decieved 
> by the devil and are blind to the truth! I'am gods 
> prophet in Rev. 11 and Zechariah 4. I'am the reincarnation 
> of the prophet Elijah, also James Zebedee! I'am here to 
> forewarn you of your impending doom! If you don't listen 
> to me you will be cursed by God as in Malachi 4:6

Yeah, but can you recite the checking notes
by heart? And can you repeat the words of
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi by heart, even though
you never met him?

If you can't do that, you're shit. 

Old shit. 

Low-vibe shit. 

Covered-with-flies shit. 

Shit that embarrasses other shit.

Ye know not to whom ye speak, O prophet. Ye
speakest not to mere humans but to the Saviors
Of The World. Christ was shit by comparison. 

Did *he* (or *He* if you prefer) ever grace
the planet with his/His cosmic Woo Woo Rays
every time his enlightened butt cheeks raised
themselves from the polyeurethane? I think 
not. He lived when they were so backwards
that they didn't even *have* polyeurethane.
I rest my case. 

You and yer Biblical prophets are mere turds
in the punchbowl of life compared to us. We
are **TMers**, the Most Important People On
The Planet. We are cognizant of the Home Of
All The Laws Of Nature. We piss from on high
on yer Bible. It is mere allegory pilfered
from Greek legends compared to the majesty
and eternal Cosmic Wisdom of our Vedas.

We have **Beatles** among our midst. You've
got what...Anita Bryant and Stephen Baldwin?

And your "God" is mere shit, too, compared to
the trinity of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. And
compared to the guy who lives on a higher plane 
than any of them, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 

Dare I prove it? You fear Satan, right? That
means that you aren't invincible. Anyone who 
isn't invincible is shit. Just ask the Raja
who tried to tell that to modern-day Germans.
He didn't take any of their low-vibe, covered-
with-flies shit, either.

Can you levitate? Walk on water? We can. (Any
day now.) 

Do you know the super-secret mantra used to
appease Shiva so that he doesn't moonwalk all
over your ass and smush you into roadkill on
a Kentucky highway before the rednecks get
to it? We do. 

Do YOU spend tens of thousands of dollars to
get brown-skinned boys to pray to the gods on
your behalf while you're busy making a living?
I think not. Chrisschuns never did learn to
multitask the way we did. 

Threaten US with doom, will you? Well just sic
Mahaaja Ramalamadingdong on yer ass and he'll 
get Vedic on yer ass. 

Ye know not who ye messeth with. 

Learn a little humility. You are in the company
of your betters. 

And we say that with all humility.

Have a nice day,

Jai Guru Dev





[FairfieldLife] JUST TO REMIND YOU OF WHAT I SAID BEFORE

2009-04-04 Thread jimjim5886
 People seem to think that Barack Obama is going to save this country from 
ruin during this crisis were in. But they are going to be very disappointed 
because Obama will die suddenly and mysteriously after only a few days in 
office (first 100 days maybe) without really acomplishing much of anything. 
Other than to raise taxes. >
  The bible says in Rev. 17:10 that there are 7 kings 5 
are fallen and 1 "is"(present tense). I figured out who the first 6 kings were 
when Geoge W. Bush was President(During his frist term) and i realilized that 
there were still 5 former pres. still alive at that point in time. They were 
Ford, Carter, Reagan,  Bush, Clinton. And of course Geoge W. would be #6 who is 
spoken of in the present tense because of course he was the president then at 
that point in time, and still is untill Obama becomes king #7 on Jan. 20th. >   
 I 
saw in 1 of my visions where my wife said to some other women "the president is 
allready dead". In the vision she was in Fargo, N. Dak. and she was looking in 
the direction of a plane that had just taken off from the airport in Fargo. I 
thing that plane might have been airforce 1.
 Acording to the catholic bible 
in Dan. 11 the person who is king or pres. just before the anti-christ comes 
along will die during a crises. Which is where we are now and its probably 
going to get worse. >   
  I started  my web page in 2004.  
www.prophetelijahspeaks.freewebspace.com  read the black print.I knew Who 
the frist 6 kings were. And i knew that whoever became pres. after Geoge W. 
Bush would be the 7th king. I thought for sure that people would be smart 
enough to see that Bush was wrong in going to war in Iraq. And that they would 
never reelect him, but i was wrong. And after the election i thought forsure 
that they would wake up and come to there senses and impeach him. But i was 
wrong again. But now that Obama has been elected i finely know for sure that he 
is the 7th king the bible speaks of and the 1 my wife spoke of in my vision.  > 

Also The angel Gabriel told me that Jimmy Carter is the anti-christ. So he will 
be the 8th king and is also one of the previous 7 kings as it says in 
Rev.17:10. Gabriel also told me that Jimmy Carter was going to change his name 
and divorce his wife. > 


   



Re: [FairfieldLife] I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP!

2009-04-04 Thread Kirk
Where is this devil. I bet you don't know. you're jumping at shadows.

- Original Message - 
From: "jimjim5886" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 1:45 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] I'AM TRYING TO SAVE YOU! SO LISTEN UP!


> I'am trying to save your soul! You have been decieved by the devil and are 
> blind to the truth! I'am gods prophet in Rev. 11 and Zechariah 4. I'am the 
> reincarnation of the prophet Elijah, also James Zebedee! I'am here to 
> forewarn you of your impending doom! If you don't listen to me you will be 
> cursed by God as in Malachi 4:6> 
> And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart 
> of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a 
> curse.> 
> And then the chances of your burning in hell will ownly increace! You 
> don't have much time left before it's to late. Thats why i have been good 
> enough to try to explain the truth to you about the 2 messiahs in the 
> bible, and who i'am and why i'am here. I'am the only one who can reveal 
> the man of sin (anti-christ) to the world. It will be only after i have 
> done this that the devil satan will be cast out of hevean. Until that time 
> the Devil, Satan will remain in heaven and deceive the world and accuse 
> man kind before god as in Rev. 12... > 
> 7 Then war broke out in heaven; Michael 8 and his angels battled against 
> the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back,
> 8
> but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in 
> heaven.
> 9
> The huge dragon, the ancient serpent, 9 who is called the Devil and Satan, 
> who deceived the whole world, was thrown down to earth, and its angels 
> were thrown down with it.
> 10
> Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have salvation and power 
> come, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Anointed. For 
> the accuser 10 of our brothers is cast out, who accuses them before our 
> God day and night.  > 
> If you read all of my posts you will learn a lot more about the real 
> truth. It's like Gabriel told me, "ALL THE CHURCHS ARE GUILTY OF 
> ABOMINATIONS."  He also said that what they teach is brain wash. None of 
> the gospels and other books of the new testament are original, but are 
> copies that have been past down and embellished over a period of the first 
> few hundred years after christ. So know one knows what the original books 
> and Letters said.
>
>
>
> 
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
>
> Or go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>



Re: [FairfieldLife] JUST TO REMIND YOU OF WHAT I SAID BEFORE

2009-04-04 Thread Arhata Osho
What you have fer breakfast?














 People seem to think that Barack Obama is going to save this 
country from ruin during this crisis were in. But they are going to be very 
disappointed because Obama will die suddenly and mysteriously after only a few 
days in office (first 100 days maybe) without really acomplishing much of 
anything. Other than to raise taxes. >  
The bible says in Rev. 17:10 that there are 
7 kings 5 are fallen and 1 "is"(present tense). I figured out who the first 6 
kings were when Geoge W. Bush was President(During his frist term) and i 
realilized that there were still 5 former pres. still alive at that point in 
time. They were Ford, Carter, Reagan,  Bush, Clinton. And of course Geoge W. 
would be #6 who is spoken of in the present tense because of course he was the 
president then at that point in time, and still is untill Obama becomes king #7 
on Jan. 20th. >  
  I saw in 1 of my 
visions where my wife said to some other women "the president is allready 
dead". In the vision she was in Fargo, N. Dak. and she was looking in the 
direction of a plane that had just taken off from the airport in Fargo. I thing 
that plane might have been airforce 1.  
   Acording to the catholic bible in 
Dan. 11 the person who is king or pres. just before the anti-christ comes along 
will die during a crises. Which is where we are now and its probably going to 
get worse. >
 I started  my web page in 2004.  www.prophetelijahsp 
eaks.freewebspac e.com  read the black print.I knew Who the frist 6 kings 
were. And i knew that whoever became pres. after Geoge W. Bush would be the 7th 
king. I thought for sure that people
 would be smart enough to see that Bush was wrong in going to war in Iraq. And 
that they would never reelect him, but i was wrong. And after the election i 
thought forsure that they would wake up and come to there senses and impeach 
him. But i was wrong again. But now that Obama has been elected i finely know 
for sure that he is the 7th king the bible speaks of and the 1 my wife spoke of 
in my vision.  >
 Also The angel Gabriel told me that Jimmy Carter is the 
anti-christ. So he will be the 8th king and is also one of the previous 7 kings 
as it says in Rev.17:10. Gabriel also told me that Jimmy Carter was going to 
change his name and divorce his wife. > 


   





 

  




 

















  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp

2009-04-04 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Reps Paul, Frank introduce bill to legalize industrial hemp
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/c8jqsk
> 
> I have been very disappointed at Obama's not being supportive
> about legalizing pot -- if only to save our country from billions
> spent to maintain the policing and incarceration efforts.  My
> opinion is that Obama doesn't want to be ridiculed by the vicious
> rightwing with racial epithets of "see, you elect a N-word, and
> what do you get?"
> 
> So, I understand, Mr. Obama, yes, I do, but, HA!, now you've got
> a real problem.  If you support the growing of hemp, then the cops
> won't be able to spot the pot growing as easily, and hemp will be
> grown in every yard as a decorative plant cuz it's low maintence,
> and what's a cop to do with hundreds of houses with pot-esque
> plants growing?  No way can law enforcement AFFORD the processing
> necessary to sort out the hemp growers from the pot growers.  
 
The irony of current cannabis laws is that that they keep the air relatively 
free of cannabis pollen, which makes conditions more favorable for outdoor 
cultivation of high-potency, seedless drug cannabis. If there were industrial 
hemp and ditchweed growing all over the place, airborne pollen would pollinate 
the drug crops, greatly reducing the quality and value. Legalizing industrial 
hemp would effectively drive drug cannabis cultivation indoors.



[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
[...]
> One of the things that happened during the course with kids is that he 
> held a little birthday party at a session for girl who broke down in 
> tears when he brought in a birthday cake.  Her shitty family NEVER 
> celebrated her birthday.  For some reason I can't imagine TM teachers 
> doing that.  They would probably just say "keep meditating and things 
> will get better." ;-)
>

Huh. Big point on all TM courses I have EVER been on: celebrate everyone's 
birthday.


L.




[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > Stop trying to portray the TMO as somehow noble
> > > > > > in this endeavor. David Lynch might be, Paul
> > > > > > McCartney and Ringo and the others might be.
> > > > > > But the TMO is in it for the same reason they
> > > > > > have *always* been into it -- for the money and
> > > > > > to grow the cult. IMO, of course.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Opinions based on assertions contrary to fact
> > > > > aren't worth a whole helluva lot.
> > > > > 
> > > > > IMO, of course.
> > > > 
> > > > Really, Barry is just putting a negative spin on
> > > > something you've put a positive spin on.
> > > 
> > > (Says Lawson, completely ignoring everything else
> > > I said in that post.)
> > > 
> > > > Aside from monetary issues, you BOTH agree
> > > > that the goal is to "grow the organization" (cult
> > > > or otherwise). The money is merely a secondary goal
> > > > in service of the first.
> > > 
> > > Growing the organization is a secondary goal in
> > > service of the primary goal, which is getting as
> > > many people as possible to meditate in the belief
> > > that widespread TM practice will bring about world
> > > peace and reduce suffering etc.
> > 
> > OK so growing the organization is secondary to growing
> > the participation of folks in the organization.
> 
> Last I heard, you could practice TM without participating
> in the organization. IOW, increasing participation in the
> TMO (or just increasing its wealth so it can do more stuff)
> and increasing the number of people practicing TM are two
> different things (albeit with some overlap, granted).
>

Yeah but the saying is pretty much that you're a TMer if you 
practice TM. If the goal is to get more people involved in TM
then that isn't too much different than getting them involved
in the TMO at least in the eyes of the folk who post in this forum.


L.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Wind turbines could .. and the Planet Niroba

2009-04-04 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor"  wrote:
> > >
> > ...that they are already old hat. This free ebook (1800 pages)
> > can provide all that is required whether the wind blows or
> > not:
> > http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk
> 
> 
> This is an interesting and entertaining book -- from first glance. But my 
> impression of such books is that they were written by a group from the last 
> Star Trek convention who found and edited a secret manuscript of a MIT grad 
> student on acid -- dumped in the alley way as the student was being hauled 
> off to Bellvue.  
> 
> Take the 15th chapter. The premise is that a huge brown dwarf (Niroba) with 5 
> orbiting planets, passes by our solar system every 3600 years, in past cycles 
> caused the oceans to rise up, revealing the ocean floor, created "Noah's" 
> flood, and currently is the total cause of global warming (and that CO2 has 
> absolutely nothing to do with it). 
> 
> When the author spouts such, it tends to enhance my first premise, above. And 
> there is a s*load of venture capital money for new energy technology -- if 
> Chapters 1-14 had any economic viability, the VCs would be knocking their 
> doors down to get a piece of the action. And it would be getting serious 
> finding form DOE, EPA and university labs.
> 
> Nada. Thus my first premise.  Not a challenge, but a friendly reuest, do you 
> have any cites that indicates the economic viability of any of these things 
> -- and serious scientific / technology work being done using them? (and 
> admittedly I did not read the whole thing) 
> snip,
  There are a number of off grid electrical systems operating here in Fairfield.
   It is nice to notice the announcement of an increase in electrical rates in 
the paper and realize it is irrelevant.  
  




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > 
> > > > > E.G. Malnak vs Yogi was Malnak vs Yogi, not AUFSOCAS vs Yogi.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The fact that 
> > > > > 1) the puja is done outside school
> > > > > 2) TM is optional even during the quiet time
> > > > > 3) that no TM teacher is directly involved int eh school program
> > > > > 4) that no theory is taught during the school program
> > > > > 5) that the program is NOT funded by the school
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > all seem to make it different than the Malnak vs Yogi case.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > To me, that appears to be similar to the fundamentalist nutbag 
> > > > Christianists who are attempting to sneak their anti-evolution 
> > > > creationist religion into the public school system in the guise of 
> > > > intelligent design.
> > > 
> > > Well, that assumes that intelligent design and TM theory (as presented in 
> > > terms of 
> > > a relaxation program) are on a similar level.
> > 
> > 
> > It doesn't matter, Lawson. What they have in common is that they are both 
> > dishonest attempts to sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the 
> > public school system.
> > 
> 
> 
> You're assuming that TM, by its own existence, is a religious practice that> 
> is impossible to divorce from the cultural antecedents that MMY brought with 
> it.
> 
> Speaking as a Unitarian-Universalist who is quite willing to say "itakimasu" 
> with> his japanese friends before a meal, even though that literally means 
> "thanks> to all that have brought us this meal [from the Lord God, to the 
> spirits of the>  land to the farmers who grew the food]" without insisting 
> that it is a religious> ceremony, I think that you are wrong here.



You can think what you like Lawson. Taking the standard fraudulent TMO party 
line comes easily to one who's steeped in it. 




> > > I don't think that that is the case.
> > > 
> > > There's no way to justify intellligent design as being "scientific" but 
> > > its certainly
> > > plausible to justify "quiet time" as being worthy. The question is: is TM
> > > a more worthy quiet time than something else, and the answer is:
> > > what does it matter?
> > 
> > 
> > This so-called "quiet time" is just a disguise, Lawson, for the TMO to 
> > incorporate TM into the public school system. You're not fooling anyone. 
> > 
> 
> Yes, but it allows for ANY quiet time to be incorporated during that same 
> period,> not just the DLF's.


If you offer a "quiet time" you can not mention TM at all without the obvious 
implication that it's being promoted.


> > >  FOr the participants, TM quiet time costs no more than
> > > any other quiet time. The entire thing is funded by the DLF and any 
> > > school> participation is only to the level that they would have for 
> > > sponsoring any other> quiet time in that same school.
> > 
> > 
> > > > Both approaches are hokey, transparent and blatantly dishonest.
> > 
> > 
> > >  To you. THe TM organization touts TM as being a better quiet time than> 
> > > others, while admitting that other quiet times may be of value as well.
> > > The ID people may tout ID as an "alternative theory" but don't give 
> > > any case of the argument against partaking in that theory int he first 
> > > place.
> > 
> > 
> > > The only way you can make the situations analogous is to show where TM> 
> > > is WORSE for kids than simply sitting and reading a book.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Nope. What they have in common is that they are both dishonest attempts to 
> > sneak religious-based ideology or practice into the public school system.
> > 
> 
> See above. TM is only religious because people insist that it is.



That's because anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind 
the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably 
tied into the Hindu religion.




> In the context of a stress-management program for kids, its no more religious
> than saying "thanks everyone" at the start of a meal. Probably less.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > > > Not to mention that they haven't been able to get a Malnak
> > > > > to bring suit yet, presumeably because the participation requires> > 
> > > > > > parental approval in the first place, unlike in the New Jersey 
> > > > > situation> and in the case of the california school, the DLF stepped 
> > > > > aside rather>  than let someone take them to court because they 
> > > > > objected.> > > > They've learned, in other words.
> > 
> > 
> > > > The bottom line however is that, as the executive director, Barry Lynn 
> > > > of the Americans United for Separation of Church and State said:
> > 
> > > > "TM has always been rooted in the religion of Hinduism... There are no 
> > > > imminent cases right now, but people, including conservative
> 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I am a world famous physicist

2009-04-04 Thread Mike Dixon
Ahem , Jim, Physicist, not psychic! By the way, on your website you referred to 
Plato as "Pluto". I would think the prophet Elijah would know the difference in 
these words.

--- On Sat, 4/4/09, jimjim5886  wrote:

From: jimjim5886 
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: I am a world famous physicist
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 6:41 PM






SO AM I, who am i?

















  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Quiet time as it manifested at MSAE when I taught there

2009-04-04 Thread off_world_beings

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> off_world_beings wrote:
> > It sounds like teaching is not your dharma.
>
> Off,
>
> I have degrees in Education from Wayne State University, and
University of California.
>
> I went to over ten jyotishis that proclaimed my dharma was teaching
and preaching.>>

Jyotish is fickle.


> I'm inclined to feel validated by the above.  Not that it's a gimme.
>
> Glad that you had kids who didn't act out.  Lucky you, sez me.
>
> I taught school in inner city Detroit, in rich suburbs, at MSAE, and I
taught individual children in the TM center.  I had knives pulled on me,
had parents as disconnected as zombies, had smarmy high-hatting parents,
had everything across the spectrum>>

Sounds like you have bad karma when it comes to teaching (even if it is
your dharma.)

> How many weeks of quiet time will it take for the average kid to chuck
it for lack of obvious results?  Not much time at all IMO.>>

Your opinion is not in question here. Opinions cannot be questioned,
because that is all they are -- opinions. That's the whole point of
opinions, you can say whatever you want.  All that is in question is --
is your opinion considered valid scientific analysis?... and firstly,
the answer to that is "no", whilst secondly, your opinion is at odds
with the published research.

>
> In fact, any kid who participates will run the risk of being called
"mental" by the typical shithead miscreant kids that all schools must
endure.>

Any kid runs the risk ofbeing called "mental" by the typical shithead
miscreant kids that all schools must endure -- for almost any reason.

Your point actually suggests your lack of understanding of schooling and
kids in general. Kids are called all sorts of things for all sorts of
reasons - but, if the kid is stronger inside, it will not matter as
much. Kids are smarter than you think.

>
> Of the 2,000 people I taught, I often saw folks who paid good money
for TM instruction quit within a week and never even come back for their
10 day checking even.  All the persons I taught for free (not many but
some who were in deep poverty) gave up TM -- if anything -- even sooner.
So much for gratitude, eh?>>

And David Lynch, Richard Baranson, Paul McCartney, Gerry Seinfeld,
George Harrison, and MANY people I have met, have continued to meditate
for decades without hardly being involved with the movement.

I had a tennant and co-worker last year, who was my tennant, co-worker,
and friend, many months before I found out he had been TM-meditating for
30 years.

Your anecdotal 'statistics' are bum.

>
> Charlie Lutes always made fun of those who thought that they would run
away and just meditate in a cave somewhere.  Why?  Charlie said: "There
has to be something that keeps you in the cave.">>

Who cares about caves?  -- No-one.

>
> Kids are not going to easily find "that something" that is necessary
to keep them inside their "cave minds."  The ones that do resonate with
the quiet time will be precious, but not plentiful.>>

Then you make the massive and uncertain, but palusible, assumption, that
there is no (zero) rise in consciousness in the world (by whatever
source) -- which I think is not only an irrational assumption, but in
addition, the alternative is HELL on Earth, in which case -- good luck
wit' that. Rise in consciousness is fueling this endeavor and the kids
and adults that learn today, ARE NOT the species that learned yesterday.

This IS the transition phase.

OffWorld


>
> Edg
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , Duveyoung  wrote:
> > >
> > > Not many times, but enough, I was a substitute teacher at MSAE,
and I
> > never had a classroom do group meditation in any manner that even
> > remotely looks like "quiet time."
> > >
> > > I don't know if they've finally "fixed this" at MSAE, but when I
was
> > there, kids would be fucking off all during group meditation -- to
the
> > point of laughing aloud, never closing their eyes, tossing notes to
each
> > other, speaking to each other, and being haughty about it when I
made
> > eye contact with them to "brow beat them into closing their eyes.">>
> >
> >
> > It sounds like teaching is not your dharma. I substitute taught in
> > public schools (midldle and high school) and at MSAE. I almost never
had
> > any kid disrupt the class in any significant way. The old cliche
about
> > kids getting carzy with substitute teachers just did not appply in
my
> > case. I was kindof surprised by that in the beginning, but then it
kept
> > happening in different schools in different parts of the country.
The
> > MSAE kids were just as well behaved as the public school kids with
the
> > wide range of diverse personlalities that I l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Public Webcast of the Press Conference for the David Lynch Foundation Benefi

2009-04-04 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> > >
> > > Um, that number is totally bogus, spare.  I heard they
> > > started at $75...don't know what the most expensive were,
> > > but it's seriously unlikely they came anywhere near that.
> > > 
> > > They can't even get anywhere near that much scalping them.
> > 
> > Guffaw. Rumors were that they sold out in just a 
> > few minutes and ended up being scalped on ebay 
> > for close to $10 grand each.
> > 
> > You can pretned that 6000 seats in a charity concert 
> > sell for $75 each in NTC but I think you're slightly 
> > out of your mind.
> 



> Um...Lawson...the actual ticket prices are
> contained in this viral email sent to meditators.
> One simple search on Ebay showed that the highest
> *asking price* (much less what they actually got
> for them) was $750, most much less.
> 
> Now could we have a comment from you about your
> charge of "insane?" 
> 
> Advanced purchase email for TMers:
> 

 ***


Dis reporter thinks tiks ask price was a little higher:

"They should have held it in Madison Square Garden," he joked, noting the event 
was sold out in seconds, with tickets priced from $99 to $500 US. Internet 
scalpers are reselling them for up to $4,250.

http://snipurl.com/f8btz  [www_timescolonist_com] 

*

Watched the web interview yesterday -- hard to believe Paul Horn, who spoke 
well, is 79 -- looks a lot younger, probably because he has been TMing two 
years longer than me (Paul started in 1966). Also liked the Catholic priest who 
runs orphanages in Columbia where kids do TM, and the scientists/psychiatrists 
who spoke.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>> 
> Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent 
> TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the 
> Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be incorporated into the 
> US public education system.

David Lynch could very well take his offer to more educated countries and let 
the americans rot.



[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread do.rflex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >> 
> > Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the 
> > fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably 
> > tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should not be 
> > incorporated into the US public education system.
> 
> David Lynch could very well take his offer to more educated countries and let 
> the americans rot.


I suspect that there would be even more resistance to incorporating TM into the 
public school systems in Europe than in the U.S.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:

> > See above. TM is only religious because people insist
> > that it is.
> 
> That's because anyone with half a brain can plainly
> see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO schlock
> and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed inextricably
> tied into the Hindu religion.

Judge Adams of the Third Circuit Court of Appeals
didn't "plainly see" that this was the case. He wrote
a long, tightly reasoned concurring opinion which
concluded, after exhaustive consideration, that TM-plus-
SCI was a religious teaching (not a "Hindu religious
teaching") according to the definition of religion used
in First Amendment cases. 

He wrote the opinion because, basically, he thought
the majority opinion was too simplistic and that the
issue required further thought. He would no doubt be
disappointed to realize that his inability to instantly
recognize TM/SCI as a religion meant that he had less
than half a brain.

(And that's TM *plus* SCI, not just plain-vanilla TM.)


> Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking
> behind the fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance,
> that TM is indeed inextricably tied into the Hindu
> religion - and because of that it should not be
> incorporated into the US public education system.


> But I will say again that anyone with half a brain can
> plainly see, after looking behind the fraudulent TMO
> schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed
> inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because
> of that it should not be incorporated into the US public
> education system.


> The fact remains that TM is indeed deeply and inextricably
> tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it
> should not be incorporated into the US public education
> system.

You'd better say it a few more times, John, just to make
absolutely sure.







Re: [FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread Sal Sunshine

On Apr 4, 2009, at 4:37 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Can be viewd here :
http://www.davidlynchfoundation.org/


Having finally had time to watch yesterday's press
conference, I'll spend a little time rapping about
my impressions of it. I have to say that 1) there
is little question that these people are all well-
meaning and that their hearts are in the right
places, but 2) many of them are *really* not
the sharpest pencils in the box.


Just watched it myself, Barry--fascinating, really.


I'd never seen David Lynch speak before. Now I know
why, if his quote in the subject line is an indication
of *how* he speaks.


He definitely could use some pointers on his public
speaking.  Well-intentioned and nice, but
seemed to have some trouble getting to the point at times.


Ringo was jetlagged and thus
rambling and near-incoherent, but he was rambling
and near-incoherent nonetheless.


I thought Ringo was, as always, terrific,
zany and Ringo-like.  He said he was jet-lagged
but I didn't see much evidence of it.  He always knows
how to get a laugh.


Bob Roth looked like
he's training in preparation for entering the "Keith
Richards Who Can Look The Most Dead While Still Being
Technically Alive" contest.


He should have stayed off the stage.


Hagelin was comfortable in front of the cameras and
a good speaker, but on the whole his schtick reminded
me of the TV preachers who raise money while invoking
the "poor children."


Why do I always feel he reeks of condescension?
Maybe it's just  me.


By comparison Russell Simmons
struck me as more intelligent. Donovan has *never*
been the sharpest pencil in the box, and upheld
that tradition masterfully.


I loved him, thought he looked and sounded great.


Paul Horn was cool; it was good to see him again.


He was terrific.  If he really is 79, that's impressive.


On the other hand, it wasn't good to see Mike Love, who
is still the same near-illiterate asshole I knew and
tolerated so many years ago. ("It brought tears to my
mind.")


Way too full of himself, and holding at 10 divorces,
I think (at last count) along with numerous abuse charges,
not exactly a ringing endorsement for the mental clarity
TM is supposed to deliver.


Moby was good, except that he outgrew his idea
that TM involved ritual animal sacrifice...someone
should tell him about the Vedic horse sacrifice :-)
He at least can speak without interjecting "Like"
every 3 words...uh...like Mike.

As always, after trotting out the personalities, then
they trotted out the science, introduced again by a
surprisingly not-well-spoken Lynch.


While he was talking, did you catch how they panned
the audience on several occasions, and that numerous
reporters were laughing?  It wasn't clear to me whether
or not it was friendly laughter.


I now understand
my Internet friend's stories about the years she spent
as Lynch's secretary and the difficulties she had
explaining simple facets of real life to him. The
teachers themselves, by comparison, were literate
and good presenters.

Personally, I watched it hoping to see Sheryl Crow,
and was a little disappointed she wasn't there. I like
her music, and she's not exactly hard to look at. But
no.

Anyway, on the whole I thought it was an *effective*
press conference, given what it attempted to do (sell
TM by getting people emotionally pumped up about the
poor "children at risk"). I hope the concert is good
and the attendees get their money's worth. The per-
formers are all professionals, so I'm pretty sure
that the music will be good.

As for the program itself, I wish it well. I really
do think that kids would benefit from learning a
simple form of meditation while still kids. That the
form of meditation being proposed is TM I think is
problematic because I honestly believe that the way
it's taught and explained in followup talks is
religously-based and thus inappropriate for American
schools given the Constitution and the clear wishes
of America's founding fathers. But the courts will
decide that.

But as for the concert itself, I hope that any lurkers
here who are attending enjoy it, and that they come
back and give us their first-hand impressions.


I hope they broadcast it at some point so we can all see
 for ourselves. I would guess that would happen, probably
fairly soon.

Sal



[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >> 
> > > Anyone with half a brain can plainly see, after looking behind the 
> > > fraudulent TMO schlock and snake oil dance, that TM is indeed 
> > > inextricably tied into the Hindu religion - and because of that it should 
> > > not be incorporated into the US public education system.
> > 
> > David Lynch could very well take his offer to more educated countries and 
> > let the americans rot.
> 
> 
> I suspect that there would be even more resistance to incorporating TM into 
> the public school systems in Europe than in the U.S.

I disagree. At least if the children are not exposed the TMSP. But since the 
stress-levels here is not as intense as in the USA it would take longer time to 
incorporate such programmes. 
Under any circumstances he would not be exposed to the intense level of 
stupidity repeated into pervesion as we see here on FFL from people scared 
almost to death to see  a n y  success for the TMO which obviously forever 
would proove they made a big mistake in stopping the practise. Sal and the Turq 
comes to mind.

Seeing this, one can only wonder what intense ignorance he is bound to meet 
from christian fundamentalists in "God's own country"

My bet is that he will take his generous offer elsewhere, far away from 
american fundamentalists. I might be wrong and I hope I do.




[FairfieldLife] Facebook

2009-04-04 Thread Kirk
Hey, Facebook's really cool. I just bumped into a whole bunch of people from 
Maharishi U over the last few days. As well as some friends from here. I am 
proud to be real legit as I found my pic even in someone else's yearbook 
posting of "Unity"  of MIU yearbook. Ninke Passi, man she is still so 
beautiful, if not soreso than ever. She is sooo pretty. Nice to see many old 
friends doing so well. Also bumped into --oops, old girlfriends. Feeling sort 
of guilty for renewing some ties. 
  

[FairfieldLife] "Things get real good...from within." (was Re: New Conference)

2009-04-04 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  wrote:
> I hope they broadcast it at some point so we can all see
>   for ourselves. I would guess that would happen, probably
> fairly soon.
> 
> Sal

No you don't want to see it because it will be a positive, altruistic event and 
therefore go against everything you believe in.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Recommendation for John Knapp - re: McCartney/Lynch Benefit Concert

2009-04-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"  
wrote:

> Good intentions aren't enough. And panacea cures
> don't address the social ills that are dragging
> down these kids.

Poverty Goes Straight to the Brain
By Brandon Keim

Growing up poor isn't merely hard on kids. It might
also be bad for their brains. A long-term study of 
cognitive development in lower- and middle-class 
students found strong links between childhood 
poverty, physiological stress and adult memory. 

The findings support a neurobiological hypothesis for 
why impoverished children consistently fare worse 
than their middle-class counterparts in school, and 
eventually in life.

"Chronically elevated physiological stress is a 
plausible model for how poverty could get into the 
brain and eventually interfere with achievement," 
wrote Cornell University child-development 
researchers Gary Evans and Michelle Schamberg in a 
paper published Monday in the Proceedings of the 
National Academy of Sciences.

For decades, education researchers have documented 
the disproportionately low academic performance of 
poor children and teenagers living in poverty. Called 
the achievement gap, its proposed sociological 
explanations are many. Compared to well-off kids, 
poor children tend to go to ill-equipped and ill-
taught schools, have fewer educational resources at 
home, eat low-nutrition food, and have less access to 
health care. 

At the same time, scientists have studied the 
cognitive abilities of poor children, and the 
neurobiological effects of stress on laboratory 
animals. They've found that, on average, 
socioeconomic status predicts a battery of key mental 
abilities, with deficits showing up in kindergarten 
and continuing through middle school. Scientists also 
found that hormones produced in response to stress 
literally wear down the brains of animals.

Evans and Schamberg's findings pull the pieces of the 
puzzle together, and the implications are disturbing. 
Sociological explanations for the achievement gap are 
likely correct, but they may be incomplete. In 
addition to poverty's many social obstacles, it may 
pose a biological obstacle, too. 

"A plausible contributor to the income-achievement 
gap is working-memory impairment in lower-income 
adults caused by stress-related damage to the brain 
during childhood," they wrote

Read more:

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/poordevelopment.html

http://tinyurl.com/cqxxow
 




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[FairfieldLife] Growing Wingnut Mob Militia Mentality

2009-04-04 Thread do.rflex


~~ Pitchforks and Pistols  ~~

by Charles Blow
New York Times, April 3, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html?_r=1


Lately I've been consuming as much conservative media as possible (interspersed 
with shots of Pepto-Bismol) to get a better sense of the mind and mood of the 
right. My read: They're apocalyptic. They feel isolated, angry, betrayed and 
besieged. And some of their "leaders" seem to be trying to mold them into 
militias.

At first, it was entertaining — just harmless, hotheaded expostulation. Of 
course, there were the garbled facts, twisted logic and veiled hate speech. But 
what did I expect, fair and balanced? It was like walking through an 
ideological house of mirrors. The distortions can be mildly amusing at first, 
but if I stay too long it makes me sick.

But, it's not all just harmless talk. For some, their disaffection has hardened 
into something more dark and dangerous. They're talking about a revolution.

Some simply lace their unscrupulous screeds with loaded language about the fall 
of the Republic. We have to "rise up" and "take back our country." Others have 
been much more explicit.

For example, Chuck Norris, the preeminent black belt and prospective Red Shirt, 
wrote earlier this month on the conservative blog WorldNetDaily: "How much more 
will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that time comes, 
will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a second 
American Revolution?"

Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, imagining herself as some sort of 
Delacroixian Liberty from the Land of the Lakes, urged her fellow Minnesotans 
to be "armed and dangerous," ready to bust caps over cap-and-trade, I presume.

And between his tears, Glenn Beck, the self-professed "rodeo clown," keeps 
warning of an impending insurrection by saying that he believes that we are 
heading for "depression" and "revolution" and then gaming out that revolution 
on his show last month. "Think the unthinkable" he said. Indeed.

All this talk of revolution is revolting, and it hasn't gone unnoticed.

As the comedian Bill Maher pointed out, strong language can poison weak minds, 
as it did in the case of Timothy McVeigh. (We sometimes forget that not all 
dangerous men are trained by Al Qaeda.)

At the same time, the unrelenting meme being pushed by the right that Obama 
will mount an assault on the Second Amendment has helped fuel the panic buying 
of firearms.

According to the F.B.I., there have been 1.2 million more requests for 
background checks of potential gun buyers from November to February than there 
were in the same four months last year. - - 

That's 5.5 million requests altogether over that period; more than the number 
of people living in Bachmann's Minnesota.

Coincidence? Maybe. Just posturing? Hopefully. But it all gives me a really bad 
feeling. (Where's that Pepto-Bismol?!)








[FairfieldLife] Re: Growing Wingnut Mob Militia Mentality

2009-04-04 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> ~~ Pitchforks and Pistols  ~~
> 
> by Charles Blow
> New York Times, April 3, 2009
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/opinion/04blow.html?_r=1
> 
> 
> Lately I've been consuming as much conservative media as possible 
> (interspersed with shots of Pepto-Bismol) to get a better sense of the mind 
> and mood of the right. My read: They're apocalyptic. They feel isolated, 
> angry, betrayed and besieged. And some of their "leaders" seem to be trying 
> to mold them into militias.
> 
> At first, it was entertaining — just harmless, hotheaded expostulation. Of 
> course, there were the garbled facts, twisted logic and veiled hate speech. 
> But what did I expect, fair and balanced? It was like walking through an 
> ideological house of mirrors. The distortions can be mildly amusing at first, 
> but if I stay too long it makes me sick.
> 
> But, it's not all just harmless talk. For some, their disaffection has 
> hardened into something more dark and dangerous. They're talking about a 
> revolution.
> 
> Some simply lace their unscrupulous screeds with loaded language about the 
> fall of the Republic. We have to "rise up" and "take back our country." 
> Others have been much more explicit.
> 
> For example, Chuck Norris, the preeminent black belt and prospective Red 
> Shirt, wrote earlier this month on the conservative blog WorldNetDaily: "How 
> much more will Americans take? When will enough be enough? And, when that 
> time comes, will our leaders finally listen or will history need to record a 
> second American Revolution?"
> 
> Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, imagining herself as some sort 
> of Delacroixian Liberty from the Land of the Lakes, urged her fellow 
> Minnesotans to be "armed and dangerous," ready to bust caps over 
> cap-and-trade, I presume.
> 
> And between his tears, Glenn Beck, the self-professed "rodeo clown," keeps 
> warning of an impending insurrection by saying that he believes that we are 
> heading for "depression" and "revolution" and then gaming out that revolution 
> on his show last month. "Think the unthinkable" he said. Indeed.
> 
> All this talk of revolution is revolting, and it hasn't gone unnoticed.
> 
> As the comedian Bill Maher pointed out, strong language can poison weak 
> minds, as it did in the case of Timothy McVeigh. (We sometimes forget that 
> not all dangerous men are trained by Al Qaeda.)
> 
> At the same time, the unrelenting meme being pushed by the right that Obama 
> will mount an assault on the Second Amendment has helped fuel the panic 
> buying of firearms.
> 
> According to the F.B.I., there have been 1.2 million more requests for 
> background checks of potential gun buyers from November to February than 
> there were in the same four months last year. - - 
> 
> That's 5.5 million requests altogether over that period; more than the number 
> of people living in Bachmann's Minnesota.
> 
> Coincidence? Maybe. Just posturing? Hopefully. But it all gives me a really 
> bad feeling. (Where's that Pepto-Bismol?!)
>
  What if they are right---
  It looks like both the first and second amendment are on thin ice
 with all the new people in DC having been screened to assure that they are 
anti-gun and, look at the reincarnated fairness doctrine.
  Total  BS. N.



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