[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Got kicked out in July of 1987 
> After all, if Nabby had actually been being truthful
> about the regard he holds Maharishi and the TM movement
> in, the question one has to ask oneself is, "Why isn't
> *he* 'in the domes'?" At least *somewhere*. During the
> time he's been posting here, there have been several
> big get-togethers in Vlodrop and in other locations
> close to him in Europe, and he's never mentioned a 
> word about going to any of them. Why would that be?

HaHa, the Turq is getting REALLY desperate now. There isn't a Dome in Europe, 
apart from the one in UK where I never travel anyway. The truth is that I've 
only been in Vlodrop once the last few years because I'm busy working. And why 
report this sublime experience to someone like you, why  thow pearls before 
swine ? :-) 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Got kicked out in July of 1987 
> 
> Since you are all for openness I'm sure you would like to 
> share with us exactly why you got kicked out ?

Save your last post of the week for something more
worthy than Nabby, Michael. He's just acting out *his*
biggest fear, that someone in the TMO will learn his 
name and validate what we've all suspected here on FFL
for years. That is, that if there is anyone on this 
forum who wouldn't have been allowed within 100 yards 
of Maharishi when he was alive and who still wouldn't 
be allowed within a similar distance of any real TM 
facility, it's HIM. 

This is *his* greatest fear that he's acting out by
projecting it onto others (as he has done with me in 
the past). He's terrified 1) that people will learn 
how exactly persona non grata he is, and 2) that 
they'll learn how torn up about it he is -- *still*,
all these years later. 

Try to IMAGINE someone so pathetic that, for him, the 
worst thing he can possibly imagine is being "thrown 
out" of an organization as low-rent as the TMO. For 
most people, that would be a badge of honor; for Nabby, 
it is the thing he fears the most being revealed
about him. 

After all, if Nabby had actually been being truthful
about the regard he holds Maharishi and the TM movement
in, the question one has to ask oneself is, "Why isn't
*he* 'in the domes'?" At least *somewhere*. During the
time he's been posting here, there have been several
big get-togethers in Vlodrop and in other locations
close to him in Europe, and he's never mentioned a 
word about going to any of them. Why would that be?

My bet is that he wouldn't be *allowed* to attend. 
Lashing out at those who left the TM movement of their
own volition is his twisted way of being angry about
having been chased off as an "undesirable" himself.

NOW let's see who rises to the bait, eh?  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

> Got kicked out in July of 1987 

Since you are all for openness I'm sure you would like to share with us exactly 
why you got kicked out ?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I never did it for what other people thought and if everyone gits
> > tired of me bein' here, all they gotta do it ask the moderator to
> > kick me off and off I will go.
>  
> Nope, doesn't work that way. People can complain as much as they like about 
> you being here, but no one ever gets kicked off for being disliked. 

Just as well, it wouldn't be much of a forum if it was just
me talking to myself. Ahem.


It takes outrageously egregious violation of the rules before Rick will give 
someone the boot.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I never did it for what other people thought and if everyone gits
> tired of me bein' here, all they gotta do it ask the moderator to
> kick me off and off I will go.
 
Nope, doesn't work that way. People can complain as much as they like about you 
being here, but no one ever gets kicked off for being disliked. It takes 
outrageously egregious violation of the rules before Rick will give someone the 
boot.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson 
wrote:
snip
> As to how much further I can take it, I dunno cuz before a couple
weeks ago I thought my opinion of Marshy could go no lower till I spoke
with Mark Landau on the phone and some of the things he told me made the
hair stand up on the back of my neck.


Why do I get the feeling that the next revelation is going to be even
worse than the one you discovered with Mark. I mean, you are probably
going to almost just finish processing the "Landau Files" when something
new will come along. Juuustt a little sneaking suspicion on my part.

>
> So yes, Ravi it was Mark - and no we are not friends, just
acquaintances - he mentioned in his BATGAP interview with Rick that both
Marshy and TM had a dark side and Rick said let's come back to that, but
they never did. I was curious what he meant by that and e-mailed him
asking. He replied it would be easier to just tell me on the phone and I
called him. Talked a little over half an hour. Have not and will not
share all he told me because if I did folks like Dr D and Nabby would
have apoplexy.
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Ann awoelflebater@...
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:56 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading"
the sighted
>
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I
officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna
program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic
Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white
(meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
>
> Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read
and appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at
MIU, within the various phases of your different roles within the
Movement as a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which
you participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few
months ago when you first started posting about your
disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many
others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I
was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no
hard feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does
not stop me from considering all that you have to say about your own,
very different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and
consider all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having
gone through or seen what you did.
>
> I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the
slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY
and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of
what you know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you
have to say for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually,
write an essay on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the
practice of TM. What is happening now is that some are getting tired of
reading, of being exposed to, what is starting to sound a little like a
broken record. What you have to say isn't going anywhere past where it
has been for a while now. It is evidently important to you to use this
forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you feel. But it
seems as if you are having to defend your position a little harder now,
that there is not the same empathy or support for your position. It
seems you are starting to look like a man standing
> alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an ever-increasing
number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'.
>
> I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was
three months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the
barometer it is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive
to your message as it once was. This is, of course, only my opinion. I
respect your need to voice how you feel and admire your courage to do
just that but I think I have gotten the message now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: "doctordumbass@"
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the
sighted
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here,
are those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had
their heyday - a few decades ago.
> >
> > Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to
be believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the tec

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I never did it for what other people thought and if everyone gits tired of me 
> bein' here, all they gotta do it ask the moderator to kick me off and off I 
> will go.

I certainly don't want you to go and you have every right to express what it is 
you want to express. There are absolutely no grounds for anyone to "kick (you) 
off". Anyway, besides that I like you a lot and think you have endured more 
than any of us could know during your years involved with TM. There is 
evidently anger and most likely more than justified. If people who experience 
injustice or falsehood stay silent then it would be a grim future. 
> 
> As to how much further I can take it, I dunno cuz before a couple weeks ago I 
> thought my opinion of Marshy could go no lower till I spoke with Mark Landau 
> on the phone and some of the things he told me made the hair stand up on the 
> back of my neck.

Then you have apparently been reinvigorated to keep talking since you were 
evidently "inspired" by your outrage at what Mark said. Of course, I am not 
privy to that so can't comment.
> 
> So yes, Ravi it was Mark - and no we are not friends, just acquaintances - he 
> mentioned in his BATGAP interview with Rick that both Marshy and TM had a 
> dark side and Rick said let's come back to that, but they never did. I was 
> curious what he meant by that and e-mailed him asking. He replied it would be 
> easier to just tell me on the phone and I called him. Talked a little over 
> half an hour. Have not and will not share all he told me because if I did 
> folks like Dr D and Nabby would have apoplexy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:56 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the 
> sighted
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
> > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
> > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
> 
> Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
> appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, within 
> the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a 
> meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you participated. 
> I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you 
> first started posting about your 
> disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others 
> in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a 
> meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard feelings 
> about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop me from 
> considering all that you have to say about your own, very different, 
> experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider all that you 
> have to say as far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what 
> you did.
> 
> I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the slimier 
> aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and even with 
> MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you know and how 
> you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now 
> and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels 
> about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is 
> that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting 
> to sound a little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't going 
> anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is evidently important to 
> you to use this forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you 
> feel. But it seems as if you are having to defend your position a little 
> harder now, that there is not the same empathy or support for your position. 
> It seems you are starting to look like a man standing
>  alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an ever-increasing number 
> of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. 
> 
> I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three 
> months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer 
> it is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive to your 
> message as i

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Michael Jackson]

I never did it for what other people thought and if everyone gits tired of me 
bein' here, all they gotta do it ask the moderator to kick me off and off I 
will go.

As to how much further I can take it, I dunno cuz before a couple weeks ago I 
thought my opinion of Marshy could go no lower till I spoke with Mark Landau on 
the phone and some of the things he told me made the hair stand up on the back 
of my neck.

So yes, Ravi it was Mark - and no we are not friends, just acquaintances - he 
mentioned in his BATGAP interview with Rick that both Marshy and TM had a dark 
side and Rick said let's come back to that, but they never did. I was curious 
what he meant by that and e-mailed him asking. He replied it would be easier to 
just tell me on the phone and I called him. Talked a little over half an hour. 
Have not and will not share all he told me because if I did folks like Dr D and 
Nabby would have apoplexy.





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic Honey 
> video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white (meaning 
> become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!

Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, within 
the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a meditator, 
member of staff and all the other ways in which you participated. I especially 
enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you first started 
posting about your disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and 
with many others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I 
was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard 
feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop me 
from considering all that you have to say about your own, very different, 
experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider all that you have 
to say as far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what you did.

I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the slimier 
aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and even with 
MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you know and how 
you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now and 
I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels about 
MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is that some 
are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting to sound a 
little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't going anywhere past 
where it has been for a while now. It is evidently important to you to use this 
forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as 
if you are having to defend your position a little harder now, that there is 
not the same empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to 
look like a man standing
 alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an ever-increasing number of 
those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. 

I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three 
months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer it 
is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive to your message as 
it once was. This is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your need to voice 
how you feel and admire your courage to do just that but I think I have gotten 
the message now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted
> 
> 
>   
> Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are those 
> with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their heyday - a 
> few decades ago. 
> 
> Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be 
> believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and any 
> other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe.
> 
> Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to me 
> - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts 
> about...anything. However, how long does it take to i

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Om, Micheal is doing a real fine job of sorting it out.  One at a time a lot 
> of people have gone through this before him about TM.  In Fairfield some 
> remained and some lot have left in doing this.  And some still have not gone 
> through it for themselves.  MJ's a good spirit filled with virtue.  He's one 
> of the more interesting to come along doing this in his asking more 
> particularly after the conscience of people still involved with TM as he 
> catches up and examines things [controversial] as the David Lynch NYTimes 
> article alludes to.  That is fair game in truth and that is going to dog TM 
> regardless of whether it is MJ or someone else coming along looking.  
> Evidently MJ is not done though.  He has not yet really reconciled things 
> repenting enough or proved himself applying to come back to the group 
> meditation.  Yet in some grief he evidently has more work to do around the 
> shadow of TM.  I hope and wish the best for him. I look forward to a day when 
> he will be back meditating with us.

Nicely stated Buck, except you have totally missed what Michael is all about if 
you think, for one second, that he will ever be back meditating with you in the 
Dome or in the desert.

> -Buck  
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
> >
> > Michael, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been out of the TM 
> > movement and how long were you involved? (You probably shared that on here 
> > somewhere. If you have a link to where you shared, I'd like to read it as 
> > time allows.)
> > 
> > I was involved in a group (not TM) for 28 years. I left the group in 2005. 
> > It was a big deal, leaving... and I wrote a lot...a lot. I actually wrote  
> > a lot before I left writing my way out of the group (in private journals). 
> > After I left, I began to write publicly. I'm not sure why that is and have 
> > wondered about it - why one writes publicly about their experiences. 
> > Anyway..I'd be interested to read more about your story if you care to link 
> > or share. 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> > > > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> > > > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
> > > > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
> > > > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
> > > 
> > > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
> > > appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, 
> > > within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as 
> > > a meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you 
> > > participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few 
> > > months ago when you first started posting about your 
> > > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many 
> > > others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was 
> > > a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard 
> > > feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not 
> > > stop me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very 
> > > different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider 
> > > all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone 
> > > through or seen what you did.
> > > 
> > > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the 
> > > slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY 
> > > and even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of 
> > > what you know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you 
> > > have to say for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, 
> > > write an essay on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the 
> > > practice of TM. What is happening now is that some are getting tired of 
> > > reading, of being exposed to, what is starting to sound a little like a 
> > > broken record. What you have to say isn't going anywhere past where it 
> > > has been for a while now. It is evidently important to you to use this 
> > > forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you feel. But it 
> > > seems as if you are having to defend your position a little harder now, 
> > > that there is not the same empathy or support for your position. It seems 
> > > you are starting to look like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending 
> > > his patch of land to an ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to 
> > > your 'cause'. 
> > > 
> > > I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three 
> > > months ago it is just that if yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Michael Jackson]

I started TM Dec. 7th, 1974 - was a real starry eyed TM'er for a few years - 
took my first residence course somewhere around April of 1975 and LOVED it.

Got my TM med checked once a week for the first month and once a month for the 
first year as per the instruction of the time - did a few more residence 
courses in Atlanta and Charleston SC. LOVED them (except the one taught by that 
jack-ass Gene Speigel.

Was wowed to hear of the sidhis in spring of 1976 - lusted after them and did 6 
weeks of sidhi preps and worked paid for 2 weeks I think and worked for the 
credit to take the others working for the governors who taught the sidhi prep 
courses in North Carolina.

Finally got the sidhis in I forget what year - it was the year after Marshy had 
all the TM teachers over to India. Wound up doing a two year incarceration at 
MIU in kitchen services - in charge of the serving and dining areas first then 
got into the bakery and ran the bakery for a year. 

Got kicked out in July of 1987 and went back to SC - had had enough of the 
Movement but still thought I might like to round once in awhile - but in the 
1990's the crap I was hearing out of Heavenly Mountain was enough to open my 
eyes and heart to the fact that I could no longer support or be involved with 
an organization like the TM Movement - not with my time, effort, energy and 
money. 

Then a year or so I began to process some of the unprocessed energy I had 
around TM and found this group and discovered the TMO and Mar-chee were so much 
darker and more screwed up than I ever imagined. I continued to use the TM 
mantra pretty regularly till about 1996 when I got the Chopra mantra, used both 
back and forth for a while then eased of the TM mantra probably 1998 and did 
other stuff.

That's it in a nutshell but I will share more details if you like.





 From: Carol 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 10:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted
 

  
Michael, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been out of the TM 
movement and how long were you involved? (You probably shared that on here 
somewhere. If you have a link to where you shared, I'd like to read it as time 
allows.)

I was involved in a group (not TM) for 28 years. I left the group in 2005. It 
was a big deal, leaving... and I wrote a lot...a lot. I actually wrote  a lot 
before I left writing my way out of the group (in private journals). After I 
left, I began to write publicly. I'm not sure why that is and have wondered 
about it - why one writes publicly about their experiences. Anyway..I'd be 
interested to read more about your story if you care to link or share. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
> > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
> > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
> 
> Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
> appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, within 
> the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a 
> meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you participated. 
> I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you 
> first started posting about your 
> disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others 
> in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a 
> meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard feelings 
> about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop me from 
> considering all that you have to say about your own, very different, 
> experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider all that you 
> have to say as far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what 
> you did.
> 
> I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the slimier 
> aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and even with 
> MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you know and how 
> you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now 
> and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels 
> about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is 
> that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting 
> to sound a little like a broken recor

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Michael Jackson]

I admit it would be an interesting experiment to mediate in the Dome again, but 
only if I could go meditate in the women's dome





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 11:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted
 

  
Om, Micheal is doing a real fine job of sorting it out.  One at a time a lot of 
people have gone through this before him about TM.  In Fairfield some remained 
and some lot have left in doing this.  And some still have not gone through it 
for themselves.  MJ's a good spirit filled with virtue.  He's one of the more 
interesting to come along doing this in his asking more particularly after the 
conscience of people still involved with TM as he catches up and examines 
things [controversial] as the David Lynch NYTimes article alludes to.  That is 
fair game in truth and that is going to dog TM regardless of whether it is MJ 
or someone else coming along looking.  Evidently MJ is not done though.  He has 
not yet really reconciled things repenting enough or proved himself applying to 
come back to the group meditation.  Yet in some grief he evidently has more 
work to do around the shadow of TM.  I hope and wish the best for him. I look 
forward to a day when he
 will be back meditating with us.
-Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Michael, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been out of the TM 
> movement and how long were you involved? (You probably shared that on here 
> somewhere. If you have a link to where you shared, I'd like to read it as 
> time allows.)
> 
> I was involved in a group (not TM) for 28 years. I left the group in 2005. It 
> was a big deal, leaving... and I wrote a lot...a lot. I actually wrote  a lot 
> before I left writing my way out of the group (in private journals). After I 
> left, I began to write publicly. I'm not sure why that is and have wondered 
> about it - why one writes publicly about their experiences. Anyway..I'd be 
> interested to read more about your story if you care to link or share. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> > > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> > > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
> > > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
> > > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
> > 
> > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
> > appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, 
> > within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a 
> > meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you 
> > participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months 
> > ago when you first started posting about your 
> > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others 
> > in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a 
> > meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard 
> > feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop 
> > me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very 
> > different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider 
> > all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone 
> > through or seen what you did.
> > 
> > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the 
> > slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and 
> > even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you 
> > know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say 
> > for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay 
> > on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is 
> > happening now is that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed 
> > to, what is starting to sound a little like a broken record. What you have 
> > to say isn't going anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is 
> > evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, as a 
> > sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you are having to 
> > defend your position a little harder now, that there is not the same 
> > empathy or support for your posit

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Buck]

Om, Micheal is doing a real fine job of sorting it out.  One at a time a lot of 
people have gone through this before him about TM.  In Fairfield some remained 
and some lot have left in doing this.  And some still have not gone through it 
for themselves.  MJ's a good spirit filled with virtue.  He's one of the more 
interesting to come along doing this in his asking more particularly after the 
conscience of people still involved with TM as he catches up and examines 
things [controversial] as the David Lynch NYTimes article alludes to.  That is 
fair game in truth and that is going to dog TM regardless of whether it is MJ 
or someone else coming along looking.  Evidently MJ is not done though.  He has 
not yet really reconciled things repenting enough or proved himself applying to 
come back to the group meditation.  Yet in some grief he evidently has more 
work to do around the shadow of TM.  I hope and wish the best for him. I look 
forward to a day when he will be back meditating with us.
-Buck  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol"  wrote:
>
> Michael, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been out of the TM 
> movement and how long were you involved? (You probably shared that on here 
> somewhere. If you have a link to where you shared, I'd like to read it as 
> time allows.)
> 
> I was involved in a group (not TM) for 28 years. I left the group in 2005. It 
> was a big deal, leaving... and I wrote a lot...a lot. I actually wrote  a lot 
> before I left writing my way out of the group (in private journals). After I 
> left, I began to write publicly. I'm not sure why that is and have wondered 
> about it - why one writes publicly about their experiences. Anyway..I'd be 
> interested to read more about your story if you care to link or share. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> > > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> > > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
> > > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
> > > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
> > 
> > Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
> > appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, 
> > within the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a 
> > meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you 
> > participated. I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months 
> > ago when you first started posting about your 
> > disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others 
> > in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a 
> > meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard 
> > feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop 
> > me from considering all that you have to say about your own, very 
> > different, experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider 
> > all that you have to say as far as I can do that without having gone 
> > through or seen what you did.
> > 
> > I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the 
> > slimier aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and 
> > even with MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you 
> > know and how you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say 
> > for weeks now and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay 
> > on how MJ feels about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is 
> > happening now is that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed 
> > to, what is starting to sound a little like a broken record. What you have 
> > to say isn't going anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is 
> > evidently important to you to use this forum, and other places, as a 
> > sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as if you are having to 
> > defend your position a little harder now, that there is not the same 
> > empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to look 
> > like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an 
> > ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. 
> > 
> > I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three 
> > months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer 
> > it is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive to your 
> > message as it once was. This is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your 
> > need to voice how you feel and admire your courage to do just that but I 
> > think I have gotten the message now.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: "docto

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Carol]

Michael, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you been out of the TM 
movement and how long were you involved? (You probably shared that on here 
somewhere. If you have a link to where you shared, I'd like to read it as time 
allows.)

I was involved in a group (not TM) for 28 years. I left the group in 2005. It 
was a big deal, leaving... and I wrote a lot...a lot. I actually wrote  a lot 
before I left writing my way out of the group (in private journals). After I 
left, I began to write publicly. I'm not sure why that is and have wondered 
about it - why one writes publicly about their experiences. Anyway..I'd be 
interested to read more about your story if you care to link or share. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> > officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> > program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic 
> > Honey video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white 
> > (meaning become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!
> 
> Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
> appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, within 
> the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a 
> meditator, member of staff and all the other ways in which you participated. 
> I especially enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you 
> first started posting about your 
> disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and with many others 
> in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I was a 
> meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard feelings 
> about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop me from 
> considering all that you have to say about your own, very different, 
> experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider all that you 
> have to say as far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what 
> you did.
> 
> I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the slimier 
> aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and even with 
> MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you know and how 
> you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now 
> and I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels 
> about MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is 
> that some are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting 
> to sound a little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't going 
> anywhere past where it has been for a while now. It is evidently important to 
> you to use this forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you 
> feel. But it seems as if you are having to defend your position a little 
> harder now, that there is not the same empathy or support for your position. 
> It seems you are starting to look like a man standing alone on a hilltop 
> defending his patch of land to an ever-increasing number of those 
> unsympathetic to your 'cause'. 
> 
> I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three 
> months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer 
> it is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive to your 
> message as it once was. This is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your 
> need to voice how you feel and admire your courage to do just that but I 
> think I have gotten the message now.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: "doctordumbass@" 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are 
> > those with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their 
> > heyday - a few decades ago. 
> > 
> > Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be 
> > believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and 
> > any other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe.
> > 
> > Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to 
> > me - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts 
> > about...anything. However, how long does it take to integrate something 
> > THAT YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on 
> > something that no longer has value to you?
> > 
> > Are you warning us? (how condescending)
> > 
> > Are you saving us? (how laughable)
> > 
> > Are you opening our eyes? (see above)
> > 
> > Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no longer do?
> > 
> > Color me Pu

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> On second thought, you are right Dr Dummy - I hereby announce that I 
> officially revoke everything I said about Marshy and TM and I am gonna 
> program my Ipod to play only that goddamn funny, funny Maharishi Vedic Honey 
> video over and over and over - I hope one day to wear the white (meaning 
> become a raja) Jai Guru Dr. Dumbass!!!

Hey MJ. I will throw my small thought into the mix here. I have read and 
appreciated much of what you have written of your experiences at MIU, within 
the various phases of your different roles within the Movement as a meditator, 
member of staff and all the other ways in which you participated. I especially 
enjoyed reading what you had to say a few months ago when you first started 
posting about your disappointment/disillusionment/disgruntlement with MMY and 
with many others in positions of power and authority within the TMM. Although I 
was a meditator for almost 20 years and graduated from MIU I have no hard 
feelings about my time there or the technique. However, this does not stop me 
from considering all that you have to say about your own, very different, 
experience. And it does not mean I don't respect and consider all that you have 
to say as far as I can do that without having gone through or seen what you did.

I am not sure how much further you can go with your unearthing of the slimier 
aspects of what has gone on within the movement and around MMY and even with 
MMY himself. I, for one, have a pretty clear picture of what you know and how 
you feel. Your audience has been reading what you have to say for weeks now and 
I am pretty sure we could, individually, write an essay on how MJ feels about 
MMY and the Movement and the practice of TM. What is happening now is that some 
are getting tired of reading, of being exposed to, what is starting to sound a 
little like a broken record. What you have to say isn't going anywhere past 
where it has been for a while now. It is evidently important to you to use this 
forum, and other places, as a sounding board for how you feel. But it seems as 
if you are having to defend your position a little harder now, that there is 
not the same empathy or support for your position. It seems you are starting to 
look like a man standing alone on a hilltop defending his patch of land to an 
ever-increasing number of those unsympathetic to your 'cause'. 

I am not saying that what you have to say is less valid than it was three 
months ago it is just that if you test the wind direction and the barometer it 
is telling you your audience here is not quite as receptive to your message as 
it once was. This is, of course, only my opinion. I respect your need to voice 
how you feel and admire your courage to do just that but I think I have gotten 
the message now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "doctordumbass@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 8:35 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM Critics on FFL - the blind "leading" the sighted
>  
> 
>   
> Just such a strange thing, that the fiercest critics of TM on here, are those 
> with no recent experience of the technique. Sure, they had their heyday - a 
> few decades ago. 
> 
> Now, looking back hazily on those times, they stand up as those to be 
> believed, the DEFINITIVE VOICES regarding the technique, its founder, and any 
> other pearls that spew forth. Its just so much tripe.
> 
> Being ordinarily skeptical, doubting stuff I am told, is second nature to me 
> - an excellent survival tool, imo. So I can appreciate airing doubts 
> about...anything. However, how long does it take to integrate something THAT 
> YOU NO LONGER PRACTICE into your life? Why the public fixation on something 
> that no longer has value to you?
> 
> Are you warning us? (how condescending)
> 
> Are you saving us? (how laughable)
> 
> Are you opening our eyes? (see above)
> 
> Why are you *devoting* your time and thought, to something you no longer do?
> 
> Color me Puzzled.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Fairfield Lifers,
> 
> > CONCLUSION:
> > 
> > (2) Will Maharishi be remembered, if at all, as crazy or
> > foolish or lying?
> > 
> > (1) Or will he be remembered as the saintly warrior who 
> > successfully changed the mind of Kali herself, changed
> > the trends of time?
> > 
> > I believe that we'll know soon - in the next 5 years.
> > Stay tuned. It's an exciting drama, isn't it!  It's an
> > exciting time to be alive.
> 
> Well, I guess we have the answer to all that. 
> 
> How does Michael himself reconcile the ugly facts with his
> absolute true believerism?

He hasn't said, at least not on FFL. (And he's not an
"absolute" True Believer, or he wouldn't suggest the
possibility that Maharishi wouldn't triumph after all.)

> My guess is cognitive dissonance will have set in and we'd
> get lectures on phase transitions being rougher than expected
> or that the new age is already here (can't you feel it!)and
> then loads of posts featuring arrows drawn round targets like
> the raja Peter crime rate stuff yesterday.

Michael doesn't go in for the research stuff, actually. I'd
guess that he'd point to the lack of sufficiently large,
permanent groups of TM-Sidhis practitioners that Maharishi
had always said were required.

If you read the post, Michael said:

"...If you want to be sure that your work in bringing about that 
change of age is going to last - then you must set up a situation 
where the long-long-long-term stability of those groups is 
guaranteed. Because you can't mess with world consciousness, you
can't have that kind of powerful group existing and then disappear-
ing, without causing huge disruptions - potentially devastating to
the world (nuclear, biological, financial melt-down, natural 
disasters, etc.)."

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman  wrote:
>
> Dear Fairfield Lifers,

> 
> CONCLUSION:
> 
> (2) Will Maharishi be remembered, if at all, as crazy or foolish or
>  lying?
> 
> (1) Or will he be remembered as the saintly warrior who successfully
>  changed the mind of Kali herself, changed the trends of time?
> 
> I believe that we'll know soon - in the next 5 years.  Stay tuned.
> It's an exciting drama, isn't it!  It's an exciting time to be alive.

Well, I guess we have the answer to all that. 

How does Michael himself reconcile the ugly facts with his absolute true 
believerism? My guess is cognitive dissonance will have set in and we'd get 
lectures on phase transitions being rougher than expected or that the new age 
is already here (can't you feel it!)and then loads of posts featuring arrows 
drawn round targets like the raja Peter crime rate stuff yesterday.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

Nope - it was totally different





 From: merudanda 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:27 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  
The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship 
more scroll down
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> No I was done with TM before there was any significant TM presence in western 
> NC - I do remember going for my first bloc of the sidhis to Livingston Manor 
> (the course where they had the Sidha Man/Superman poster in the lobby!)
this one 

or these


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/275588 
snip
food seems to be better now==
?
Sthapatya Vedic kitchen in Vedic City, Iowa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KOwMlDr9U 

 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[merudanda]

The Dawn of SidhaMan:Superman Renounce American Citizenship
more scroll down [:D]
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> No I was done with TM before there was any significant TM presence in
western NC - I do remember going for my first bloc of the sidhis to
Livingston Manor (the course where they had the Sidha Man/Superman
poster in the lobby!)
this one

 
[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_LccB5G2ry5Y/Tbur9zV5JYI/Azs/\
MSbNT1Tsql0/sidha%20man.jpg] or these

 
[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_LccB5G2ry5Y/TbusS9xAAKI/Azw/\
AvvZx_aNENU/s640/tmad2.jpg]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/275588

snip
food seems to be better now==
?
Sthapatya Vedic kitchen in Vedic City, Iowa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KOwMlDr9U

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

It was just one lie and she looked me right in the eye when she told it to me 
and in the next two minutes I saw with my own eyes that what she had told me 
was a lie - not a big thing, but it made me realize just how much of a soul 
mate she was to Greg





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  
I'm sorry to hear she was like that.  I had little interaction with her.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> He musta shrunk by the time I met him - I am only 5' 10" and he was 
> distinctly shorter than me - kind of skinny - in fact I always thought his 
> twit of a wife Georgina could have easily knocked him down had she a mind to 
> - instead she just acted above everyone else and told me lies.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:12 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the
> > best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
> > >
> > Two stand out. Arosa sometime around '77 or '78. The chef was Michael,
> > from Germany. He made some potatoes (chunks) that he fried in pure
> > butter. Just awesome. Then in Courcheval at the first six month
> > course. Same chef. Gulob Jamons made from fresh milk boiled down,
> > instead powdered milk. It took him all day.
> > 
> > The thing about Arosa, and I've mentioned this before, Greg Wilson
> > nearly single handedly destroyed that course by stealing food, and being
> > the ring leader of guys playing tricks on the chef. He became angry and
> > resentful.
> > 
> > To have the best chef in the movement at that time was awesome, and this
> > goofball nearly ruined it.
> > 
> > What is he doing now anyway.? I think he was involved in some oil deal
> > in Canada.
> > 
> > I don't feel kindly towards him at all.
> 
> I remember Greg Wilson from MIU. I remember him as tall, blond and not bad 
> looking. But if he came between you and a good meal then I can understand 
> your resentment. 
> 
> I loved the food at MIU '75-'80. The students would just gorge on the pizzas 
> on pizza night and they seemed to always have ice cream with chocolate sauce 
> and lots of granola at hand so I think I had a sunday practically every 
> night. No one went hungry, let's put it that way.
> >
>

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

No I was done with TM before there was any significant TM presence in western 
NC - I do remember going for my first bloc of the sidhis to Livingston Manor 
(the course where they had the Sidha Man/Superman poster in the lobby!) and one 
day for breakfast they served grits! And they were cooked properly! And yes 
there were a bunch of Yankees who had no idea of what it was or how to eat it - 
I overheard a staff guy who was was evidently from the south tell someone else 
to slap anyone who attempted to put sugar or honey on them.

Worst TM food for me was the Chinese stir fired veggies at MIU - they were 
actually not bad when they first came out of the big kitchen, but due to all 
the cooks being hot to participate in evening program, the dinners were 
supposed to be finished cooking at around 4 or 4:30 in the afternoon - so the 
food sat in warmers for about 3 hours before anyone ate anything and that stuff 
was turned to veggie mush - everyone hated it.

Due to "international" (meaning Marsh-he and the Srivastavas boys) demanding 
more and more money from MIU in 1986 - 87, the quality of the ingredients got 
more and more poor (since the kitchen director was directed to slash his budget 
as much a possible so he ordered the cheapest and therefore crummiest 
ingredients possible) the quality of the food was going downhill - when I first 
arrived at MIU I was a committed vegetarian of about 5 years - by the time I 
left I had begun to eat meat just to have a break from the lousy food - the 
first thing I ate was fried chicken from some mom and pop place there in 
Fairfield - can't remember the place's name.

An example of how the budget slashing affected the bakery - we often made apple 
pies or apple crisp or apple brown betty - at first we used fresh apples, 
washed, and cored them right in the bakery, and cut them up - labor intensive 
but worth it, especially if they got Braeburns or something like that - then 
all the fresh apples were replaced with big ass cans of already peeled and cut 
up apples - at least they got the ones packed in water instead of syrup





 From: laughinggull108 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:10 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  
ALL the food at the Manor when it was ASCI under Bill Deknatel, including the 
chicken and fish in the non-vegetarian line. Remember the "juice room"? And how 
about those unlimited steamed artichokes for lunch? In those days, money was no 
object particularly as far as food was concerned.

Actually, I'd be more interested in the "worst" food at a TMO facility.

MJ, did you ever visit the MVU in Asheville before it was sold? If so, does 
cheesecake ring a bell?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the best or 
> most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[laughinggull108]

ALL the food at the Manor when it was ASCI under Bill Deknatel, including the 
chicken and fish in the non-vegetarian line. Remember the "juice room"? And how 
about those unlimited steamed artichokes for lunch? In those days, money was no 
object particularly as far as food was concerned.

Actually, I'd be more interested in the "worst" food at a TMO facility.

MJ, did you ever visit the MVU in Asheville before it was sold? If so, does 
cheesecake ring a bell?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the best or 
> most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Share Long]

millet (-:





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  
I understand.  But butter and salt can go along way.  I mean even just a baked 
potato with butter and salt is perfect.  Then if you add sour cream, well 
that's a whole other dimension.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote:
>
> Oh my goodness.  Having this vegetable over-cooked and forced down me as a 
> child, I can say that I don't like it any way but three ways.  In heavy 
> sauce of any kind, or with ample amounts of melted cheese, or raw, slathered 
> in a creamy dip.  Just butter and salt will not do at all. 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: seventhray27 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:22 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> > 
> >
> >  
> >It's still one of my favorite dishes. At Cobb it was just cauliflower with 
> >butter and then some salt.
> >
> >I also like cauliflower with butter, salt and some mild cheddar melted into 
> >it.
> >
> >A high school girlfriend's family turned me onto that.
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah ha ha hathe cauliflower stands outhilarious, absolutely 
> >> hilarious.  Thank you Steve.  Isn't it great how meals remain in our 
> >> memory?  
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > From: seventhray27 
> >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:10 PM
> >> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> >  
> >> >The cauliflower at Cobb Mountain stands out for me.  He Bhar, did you 
> >> >know Marla Hunt who originally hailed from SF, and was in the band, Marin 
> >> >County Singers, or something to that effect.  She was at Cobb Mountain 
> >> >the same time I was, and we became friends.  She even gave a 
> >> >performance one night which I thought was awesome.
> >> >
> >> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 01/24/2013 06:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >> >> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the 
> >> >> > best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
> >> >> >
> >> >> 
> >> >> The "Egg Plant Moussaka" served at Cobb Mountain was wonderful. I 
> >> >> bought their recipe book so I could make it myself and there were many 
> >> >> other good recipes in that book (which I still have).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Susan]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the best or 
> most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
>
The Ranch salad dressing at Cobb Mt  mmm

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[seventhray27]

I'm sorry to hear she was like that.  I had little interaction with her.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> He musta shrunk by the time I met him - I am only 5' 10" and he was
distinctly shorter than me - kind of skinny - in fact I always thought
his twit of a wife Georgina could have easily knocked him down had she a
mind to - instead she just acted above everyone else and told me lies.
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: Ann
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:12 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
>
>
> Â
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the
> > best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM
facility?
> > >
> > Two stand out. Arosa sometime around '77 or '78. The chef was
Michael,
> > from Germany. He made some potatoes (chunks) that he fried in pure
> > butter. Just awesome. Then in Courcheval at the first six month
> > course. Same chef. Gulob Jamons made from fresh milk boiled down,
> > instead powdered milk. It took him all day.
> >
> > The thing about Arosa, and I've mentioned this before, Greg Wilson
> > nearly single handedly destroyed that course by stealing food, and
being
> > the ring leader of guys playing tricks on the chef. He became angry
and
> > resentful.
> >
> > To have the best chef in the movement at that time was awesome, and
this
> > goofball nearly ruined it.
> >
> > What is he doing now anyway.? I think he was involved in some oil
deal
> > in Canada.
> >
> > I don't feel kindly towards him at all.
>
> I remember Greg Wilson from MIU. I remember him as tall, blond and not
bad looking. But if he came between you and a good meal then I can
understand your resentment.
>
> I loved the food at MIU '75-'80. The students would just gorge on the
pizzas on pizza night and they seemed to always have ice cream with
chocolate sauce and lots of granola at hand so I think I had a sunday
practically every night. No one went hungry, let's put it that way.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[seventhray27]

Well what was galling was to then have him (and Georgina) become such
muckity mucks and enforcers for the "purity of the teaching".  Now
Georgina, the little I interacted with her, I liked her.  I was a CIC
liason when they came through for one of the courses in my area.  I
remember going to see Sixteen Candles with them.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> I never liked him either for reasons I have posted here in the past
few months - I never heard of the Arosa thing, but it doesn't surprise
me.
>
>
>
>
> 
> From: seventhray27
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:05 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
>
>
> Â
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the
best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
> >
> Two stand out.  Arosa sometime around '77 or '78.  The chef
was Michael, from Germany.  He made some potatoes (chunks) that he
fried in pure butter.  Just awesome.  Then in Courcheval at
the first six month course.  Same chef.  Gulob Jamons made from
fresh milk boiled down, instead powdered milk.  It took him all day.
> The thing about Arosa, and I've mentioned this before, Greg Wilson
nearly single handedly destroyed that course by stealing food, and being
the ring leader of  guys playing tricks on the chef. He became angry
and resentful. Â
> To have the best chef in the movement at that time was awesome, and
this goofball nearly ruined it.
> What is he doing now anyway.? I think he was involved in some oil deal
in Canada.
> I don't feel kindly towards him at all.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[seventhray27]

I understand.  But butter and salt can go along way.  I mean even just a
baked potato with butter and salt is perfect.  Then if you add sour
cream, well that's a whole other dimension.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote:
>
> Oh my goodness. Â Having this vegetable over-cooked and forced down
me as a child, I can say that I don't like it any way but three ways.
 In heavy sauce of any kind, or with ample amounts of melted cheese,
or raw, slathered in a creamy dip. Â Just butter and salt will not do
at all.Â
>
>
>
> >
> > From: seventhray27
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:22 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> >
> >
> >Â
> >It's still one of my favorite dishes. At Cobb it was just cauliflower
with butter and then some salt.
> >
> >I also like cauliflower with butter, salt and some mild cheddar
melted into it.
> >
> >A high school girlfriend's family turned me onto that.
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah ha ha hathe cauliflower stands outhilarious, absolutely
hilarious.  Thank you Steve.  Isn't it great how meals
remain in our memory? ÂÂ
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > From: seventhray27
> >> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:10 PM
> >> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >ÂÂ
> >> >The cauliflower at Cobb Mountain stands out for me.  He
Bhar, did you know Marla Hunt who originally hailed from SF, and was in
the band, Marin County Singers, or something to that effect.  She
was at Cobb Mountain the same time I was, and we became friends. 
She even gave a performance one night which I thought was awesome.
> >> >
> >> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On 01/24/2013 06:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >> >> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM
facility?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The "Egg Plant Moussaka" served at Cobb Mountain was wonderful.
I
> >> >> bought their recipe book so I could make it myself and there
were many
> >> >> other good recipes in that book (which I still have).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

He musta shrunk by the time I met him - I am only 5' 10" and he was distinctly 
shorter than me - kind of skinny - in fact I always thought his twit of a wife 
Georgina could have easily knocked him down had she a mind to - instead she 
just acted above everyone else and told me lies.





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the
> best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
> >
> Two stand out.  Arosa sometime around '77 or '78.  The chef was Michael,
> from Germany.  He made some potatoes (chunks) that he fried in pure
> butter.  Just awesome.  Then in Courcheval at the first six month
> course.  Same chef.  Gulob Jamons made from fresh milk boiled down,
> instead powdered milk.  It took him all day.
> 
> The thing about Arosa, and I've mentioned this before, Greg Wilson
> nearly single handedly destroyed that course by stealing food, and being
> the ring leader of  guys playing tricks on the chef. He became angry and
> resentful.
> 
> To have the best chef in the movement at that time was awesome, and this
> goofball nearly ruined it.
> 
> What is he doing now anyway.? I think he was involved in some oil deal
> in Canada.
> 
> I don't feel kindly towards him at all.

I remember Greg Wilson from MIU. I remember him as tall, blond and not bad 
looking. But if he came between you and a good meal then I can understand your 
resentment. 

I loved the food at MIU '75-'80. The students would just gorge on the pizzas on 
pizza night and they seemed to always have ice cream with chocolate sauce and 
lots of granola at hand so I think I had a sunday practically every night. No 
one went hungry, let's put it that way.
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

I never liked him either for reasons I have posted here in the past few months 
- I never heard of the Arosa thing, but it doesn't surprise me.





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:05 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the best or 
> most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
>
Two stand out.  Arosa sometime around '77 or '78.  The chef was Michael, from 
Germany.  He made some potatoes (chunks) that he fried in pure butter.  Just 
awesome.  Then in Courcheval at the first six month course.  Same chef.  Gulob 
Jamons made from fresh milk boiled down, instead powdered milk.  It took him 
all day.
The thing about Arosa, and I've mentioned this before, Greg Wilson nearly 
single handedly destroyed that course by stealing food, and being the ring 
leader of  guys playing tricks on the chef. He became angry and resentful.  
To have the best chef in the movement at that time was awesome, and this 
goofball nearly ruined it.
What is he doing now anyway.? I think he was involved in some oil deal in 
Canada.
I don't feel kindly towards him at all.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Emily Reyn]

Oh my goodness.  Having this vegetable over-cooked and forced down me as a 
child, I can say that I don't like it any way but three ways.  In heavy sauce 
of any kind, or with ample amounts of melted cheese, or raw, slathered in a 
creamy dip.  Just butter and salt will not do at all. 



>
> From: seventhray27 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:22 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> 
>
>  
>It's still one of my favorite dishes.  At Cobb it was just cauliflower with 
>butter and then some salt.
>
>I also like cauliflower with butter, salt and some mild cheddar melted into it.
>
>A high school girlfriend's family turned me onto that.
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>>
>> Ah ha ha hathe cauliflower stands outhilarious, absolutely 
>> hilarious.  Thank you Steve.  Isn't it great how meals remain in our 
>> memory?  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> > From: seventhray27 
>> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:10 PM
>> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
>> > 
>> >
>> >  
>> >The cauliflower at Cobb Mountain stands out for me.  He Bhar, did you know 
>> >Marla Hunt who originally hailed from SF, and was in the band, Marin County 
>> >Singers, or something to that effect.  She was at Cobb Mountain the same 
>> >time I was, and we became friends.  She even gave a performance one night 
>> >which I thought was awesome.
>> >
>> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 01/24/2013 06:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>> >> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the best 
>> >> > or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
>> >> >
>> >> 
>> >> The "Egg Plant Moussaka" served at Cobb Mountain was wonderful. I 
>> >> bought their recipe book so I could make it myself and there were many 
>> >> other good recipes in that book (which I still have).
>> >>
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

Ah, so a year or two before I arrived - so it wasn't my baking that did it - 
excellent!





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:00 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  

Either 1983 or 1984.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Man! When did that happen? what year I mean?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Alex Stanley 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:58 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
> > the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM
> > facility?
> >
> 
> Unfortunately, there is only one meal at MIU that stands out in my memory: 
> the time I got food poisoning and puked all day long. After that, I got a 
> little fridge and a hot plate and cooked all my own food in my room.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[seventhray27]

It's still one of my favorite dishes.  At Cobb it was just cauliflower with 
butter and then some salt.

I also like cauliflower with butter, salt and some mild cheddar melted into it.

A high school girlfriend's family turned me onto that.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:
>
> Ah ha ha hathe cauliflower stands outhilarious, absolutely hilarious. 
>  Thank you Steve.  Isn't it great how meals remain in our memory?  
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > From: seventhray27 
> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:10 PM
> >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> > 
> >
> >  
> >The cauliflower at Cobb Mountain stands out for me.  He Bhar, did you know 
> >Marla Hunt who originally hailed from SF, and was in the band, Marin County 
> >Singers, or something to that effect.  She was at Cobb Mountain the same 
> >time I was, and we became friends.  She even gave a performance one night 
> >which I thought was awesome.
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> >>
> >> On 01/24/2013 06:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the best 
> >> > or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
> >> >
> >> 
> >> The "Egg Plant Moussaka" served at Cobb Mountain was wonderful. I 
> >> bought their recipe book so I could make it myself and there were many 
> >> other good recipes in that book (which I still have).
> >>
> >
> > 
> >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Emily Reyn]

Ah ha ha hathe cauliflower stands outhilarious, absolutely hilarious.  
Thank you Steve.  Isn't it great how meals remain in our memory?  



>
> From: seventhray27 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:10 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> 
>
>  
>The cauliflower at Cobb Mountain stands out for me.  He Bhar, did you know 
>Marla Hunt who originally hailed from SF, and was in the band, Marin County 
>Singers, or something to that effect.  She was at Cobb Mountain the same time 
>I was, and we became friends.  She even gave a performance one night which I 
>thought was awesome.
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>>
>> On 01/24/2013 06:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
>> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the best or 
>> > most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
>> >
>> 
>> The "Egg Plant Moussaka" served at Cobb Mountain was wonderful. I 
>> bought their recipe book so I could make it myself and there were many 
>> other good recipes in that book (which I still have).
>>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Emily Reyn]

Oh my god - you remember that far back?  Must have been a helluva puke session. 
 Glad you survived to figure out how to count the posts for us.  I graduated 
high school in 1980.  



>
> From: Alex Stanley 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 8:00 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> 
>
>  
>
>Either 1983 or 1984.
>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>>
>> Man! When did that happen? what year I mean?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  From: Alex Stanley 
>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:58 PM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>> >
>> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
>> > the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM
>> > facility?
>> >
>> 
>> Unfortunately, there is only one meal at MIU that stands out in my memory: 
>> the time I got food poisoning and puked all day long. After that, I got a 
>> little fridge and a hot plate and cooked all my own food in my room.
>>
>
>
> 
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[seventhray27]

Great story.  Has me laughing now.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
> > the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a
> > TM facility?
>
> I've posted this before--maybe even twice--but it's
> such a good story I'm going to haul it out again. It's
> not about the meal itself but what happened during the
> meal, so I figure it's close enough to what you asked
> about:
>
> I was staying at the TM facility in Asbury Park some
> years back; it was a pretty fancy hotel that the TMO
> had bought and was running *as* a hotel for regular
> guests, as well as housing various TM administrative
> folks and course participants.
>
> The TMers' food, all vegetarian, was prepared in the
> downstairs kitchen, but there was a bigger kitchen
> upstairs that cooked for the guests.
>
> One night I was sitting at a table of TM-lifers during
> dinner. The hotel was hosting a big Bar Mitzvah bash
> upstairs. One of the MA-V technicians, a big galoot of
> a guy with a heart of gold who regarded the
> blissninnies with good-humored bepuzzlement, had gone
> up to the guest kitchen to see if he could cadge some
> real food from one of the cooking staff, a friend of
> his.
>
> We were sitting there eating our lentils and rice and
> curried cauliflower when he strolled back into the
> dining room bearing a big platter. He came up to the
> table and set down the platter, on which rested a
> huge hunk of very rare steak.
>
> You'd have thought there was a severed human hand on
> the platter. The TM-lifers all gasped audibly, and one
> of the more delicate of the ladies actually gave out
> a little shriek. (This was totally spontaneous; these
> folks probably hadn't even laid eyes on a piece of
> meat for years, and that bloody slab must have been a
> shocking sight.)
>
> The poor MA-V tech stared at the horrified faces,
> bewildered. Then everybody started laughing,
> practically falling out of their chairs. We laughed
> until we cried--including the MA-V guy, once he
> realized folks weren't laughing at *him* but at their
> own bizarre reaction to his dinner.
>
> It was one of the best group laughs I've ever had the
> pleasure to participate in.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
> >
> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the
> best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
> >
> Two stand out.  Arosa sometime around '77 or '78.  The chef was Michael,
> from Germany.  He made some potatoes (chunks) that he fried in pure
> butter.  Just awesome.  Then in Courcheval at the first six month
> course.  Same chef.  Gulob Jamons made from fresh milk boiled down,
> instead powdered milk.  It took him all day.
> 
> The thing about Arosa, and I've mentioned this before, Greg Wilson
> nearly single handedly destroyed that course by stealing food, and being
> the ring leader of  guys playing tricks on the chef. He became angry and
> resentful.
> 
> To have the best chef in the movement at that time was awesome, and this
> goofball nearly ruined it.
> 
> What is he doing now anyway.? I think he was involved in some oil deal
> in Canada.
> 
> I don't feel kindly towards him at all.

I remember Greg Wilson from MIU. I remember him as tall, blond and not bad 
looking. But if he came between you and a good meal then I can understand your 
resentment. 

I loved the food at MIU '75-'80. The students would just gorge on the pizzas on 
pizza night and they seemed to always have ice cream with chocolate sauce and 
lots of granola at hand so I think I had a sunday practically every night. No 
one went hungry, let's put it that way.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[seventhray27]

The cauliflower at Cobb Mountain stands out for me.  He Bhar, did you
know Marla Hunt who originally hailed from SF, and was in the band,
Marin County Singers, or something to that effect.  She was at Cobb
Mountain the same time I was, and we became friends.  She even gave a
performance one night which I thought was awesome.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> On 01/24/2013 06:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the
best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
> >
>
> The "Egg Plant Moussaka" served at Cobb Mountain was wonderful. I
> bought their recipe book so I could make it myself and there were many
> other good recipes in that book (which I still have).
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[seventhray27]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was the
best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM facility?
>
Two stand out.  Arosa sometime around '77 or '78.  The chef was Michael,
from Germany.  He made some potatoes (chunks) that he fried in pure
butter.  Just awesome.  Then in Courcheval at the first six month
course.  Same chef.  Gulob Jamons made from fresh milk boiled down,
instead powdered milk.  It took him all day.

The thing about Arosa, and I've mentioned this before, Greg Wilson
nearly single handedly destroyed that course by stealing food, and being
the ring leader of  guys playing tricks on the chef. He became angry and
resentful.

To have the best chef in the movement at that time was awesome, and this
goofball nearly ruined it.

What is he doing now anyway.? I think he was involved in some oil deal
in Canada.

I don't feel kindly towards him at all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Alex Stanley]

Either 1983 or 1984.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Man! When did that happen? what year I mean?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Alex Stanley 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:58 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
> > the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM
> > facility?
> >
> 
> Unfortunately, there is only one meal at MIU that stands out in my memory: 
> the time I got food poisoning and puked all day long. After that, I got a 
> little fridge and a hot plate and cooked all my own food in my room.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Emily Reyn]

Very very funny.  You see, there is something magical gained with communal 
meals.  Meals prepared in the ski lodge with many families participating are 
always better than not.  Sorry Alex for your experience - my daughter got food 
poisoning from one of the best Thai restaurants in Seattle - she can never go 
back.  



>
> From: Michael Jackson 
>To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> 
>
>  
>that is hilarious!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: authfriend 
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:11 PM
>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
> 
>
>  
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>>
>> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
>> the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a
>> TM facility?
>
>I've posted this before--maybe even twice--but it's
>such a good story I'm going to haul it out again. It's
>not about the meal itself but what happened during the
>meal, so I figure it's close enough to what you asked
>about:
>
>I was staying at the TM facility in Asbury Park some
>years back; it was a pretty fancy hotel that the TMO
>had bought and was running *as* a hotel for regular
>guests, as well as housing various TM administrative
>folks and course participants.
>
>The TMers' food, all vegetarian, was prepared in the
>downstairs kitchen, but there was a bigger kitchen
>upstairs that cooked for the guests.
>
>One night I was sitting at a table of TM-lifers during
>dinner. The hotel was hosting a big Bar Mitzvah bash
>upstairs. One of the MA-V technicians, a big galoot of
>a guy with a heart of gold who regarded the
>blissninnies with good-humored bepuzzlement, had gone
>up to the guest kitchen to see if he could cadge some
>real food from one of the cooking staff, a friend of
>his.
>
>We were sitting there eating our lentils and rice and
>curried cauliflower when he strolled back into the
>dining room bearing a big platter. He came up to the
>table and set down the platter, on which rested a
>huge hunk of very rare steak.
>
>You'd have thought there was a severed human hand on
>the platter. The TM-lifers all gasped audibly, and one
>of the more delicate of the ladies actually gave out
>a little shriek. (This was totally spontaneous; these
>folks probably hadn't even laid eyes on a piece of
>meat for years, and that bloody slab must have been a
>shocking sight.)
>
>The poor MA-V tech stared at the horrified faces,
>bewildered. Then everybody started laughing,
>practically falling out of their chairs. We laughed
>until we cried--including the MA-V guy, once he
>realized folks weren't laughing at *him* but at their
>own bizarre reaction to his dinner.
>
>It was one of the best group laughs I've ever had the
>pleasure to participate in.
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

that is hilarious!





 From: authfriend 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:11 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
> the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a
> TM facility?

I've posted this before--maybe even twice--but it's
such a good story I'm going to haul it out again. It's
not about the meal itself but what happened during the
meal, so I figure it's close enough to what you asked
about:

I was staying at the TM facility in Asbury Park some
years back; it was a pretty fancy hotel that the TMO
had bought and was running *as* a hotel for regular
guests, as well as housing various TM administrative
folks and course participants.

The TMers' food, all vegetarian, was prepared in the
downstairs kitchen, but there was a bigger kitchen
upstairs that cooked for the guests.

One night I was sitting at a table of TM-lifers during
dinner. The hotel was hosting a big Bar Mitzvah bash
upstairs. One of the MA-V technicians, a big galoot of
a guy with a heart of gold who regarded the
blissninnies with good-humored bepuzzlement, had gone
up to the guest kitchen to see if he could cadge some
real food from one of the cooking staff, a friend of
his.

We were sitting there eating our lentils and rice and
curried cauliflower when he strolled back into the
dining room bearing a big platter. He came up to the
table and set down the platter, on which rested a
huge hunk of very rare steak.

You'd have thought there was a severed human hand on
the platter. The TM-lifers all gasped audibly, and one
of the more delicate of the ladies actually gave out
a little shriek. (This was totally spontaneous; these
folks probably hadn't even laid eyes on a piece of
meat for years, and that bloody slab must have been a
shocking sight.)

The poor MA-V tech stared at the horrified faces,
bewildered. Then everybody started laughing,
practically falling out of their chairs. We laughed
until we cried--including the MA-V guy, once he
realized folks weren't laughing at *him* but at their
own bizarre reaction to his dinner.

It was one of the best group laughs I've ever had the
pleasure to participate in.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Michael Jackson]

Man! When did that happen? what year I mean?





 From: Alex Stanley 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
> the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM
> facility?
>

Unfortunately, there is only one meal at MIU that stands out in my memory: the 
time I got food poisoning and puked all day long. After that, I got a little 
fridge and a hot plate and cooked all my own food in my room.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
> the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a
> TM facility?

I've posted this before--maybe even twice--but it's
such a good story I'm going to haul it out again. It's
not about the meal itself but what happened during the
meal, so I figure it's close enough to what you asked
about:

I was staying at the TM facility in Asbury Park some
years back; it was a pretty fancy hotel that the TMO
had bought and was running *as* a hotel for regular
guests, as well as housing various TM administrative
folks and course participants.

The TMers' food, all vegetarian, was prepared in the
downstairs kitchen, but there was a bigger kitchen
upstairs that cooked for the guests.

One night I was sitting at a table of TM-lifers during
dinner. The hotel was hosting a big Bar Mitzvah bash
upstairs. One of the MA-V technicians, a big galoot of
a guy with a heart of gold who regarded the
blissninnies with good-humored bepuzzlement, had gone
up to the guest kitchen to see if he could cadge some
real food from one of the cooking staff, a friend of
his.

We were sitting there eating our lentils and rice and
curried cauliflower when he strolled back into the
dining room bearing a big platter. He came up to the
table and set down the platter, on which rested a
huge hunk of very rare steak.

You'd have thought there was a severed human hand on
the platter. The TM-lifers all gasped audibly, and one
of the more delicate of the ladies actually gave out
a little shriek. (This was totally spontaneous; these
folks probably hadn't even laid eyes on a piece of
meat for years, and that bloody slab must have been a
shocking sight.)

The poor MA-V tech stared at the horrified faces,
bewildered. Then everybody started laughing,
practically falling out of their chairs. We laughed
until we cried--including the MA-V guy, once he
realized folks weren't laughing at *him* but at their
own bizarre reaction to his dinner.

It was one of the best group laughs I've ever had the
pleasure to participate in.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Trivia

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> I know this is extremely trivial, but do you remember what was
> the best or most fun meal you ever had on a TM course or at a TM
> facility?
>

Unfortunately, there is only one meal at MIU that stands out in my memory: the 
time I got food poisoning and puked all day long. After that, I got a little 
fridge and a hot plate and cooked all my own food in my room.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: Buck is APPRECIATED Here!

[emilymae.reyn]

What is to give light must endure burning - Viktor Frankl

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > ditto to what Bill in Buffalo says:  Buck you and your very unique voice 
> > add a lot to the FFL richness.  Hope you'll stay.
> 
> Don't worry, I'm sure he isn't going anywhere (in more ways than one.)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: "WLeed3@" 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: Buck is 
> > APPRECIATED Here!
> >  
> > 
> >   
> > Buck I appreciate the gems, Bill in Buffalo NY 
> > In a message dated 1/16/2013 9:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > awoelflebater@ writes:
> > 
> > >
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  
> >   wrote:
> > >>
> > >> The TM Revolutionary Millenarian,
> > >> Scientific 
> >   research shows that even small groups of meditators (as little as the 
> > square 
> >   root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in 
> > society 
> >   from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation.
> > >
> > >Buck, I think your 
> >   great talents, original insights and fascinating theories are wasted here 
> > at 
> >   FFL. Why not pack up your little suitcase of gems such as the one you 
> > just 
> >   posted and find an audience that will appreciate them. We just aren't 
> > worthy 
> >   of such efforts on your part and there is such fertile ground out there 
> > ready 
> >   to just blossom with this type of deep wisdom and insight. I'll miss you 
> > but 
> >   I'll understand.
> > >> 
> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> >   "Buck"  wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > 
> > >> > 
> > >> > --- 
> >   In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >> > 
> >   >
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > > Fairfield Life Post 
> >   Counter
> > >> > > > ===
> > >> > > 
> > >> > > #
> > >> > > The Revolutionary Millenarian: 
> >   Affecting change to a better time on Earth.
> > >> > > 
> > >> > 
> >   > Another FFL Typology Spectrum:
> > >> > 
> > >> > > TM 
> >   Revolutionary Millenarian Meditator,  Practicing Meditator,  
> >   Non-meditator,  Counter-Revolutionary.
> > >> > > 
> > >> > 
> >   >
> > >> > 
> > >> > Of course, the REAL Revolutionary Millenarian 
> >   Meditators are here meditating with the groups now.  [What to say about 
> >   the people who were once here and moved away?]
> > >> >  
> > >> 
> >   > > 
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > > > 39 Michael Jackson 
> > >> > > > 38 Emily Reyn 
> > >> > > > 35 
> >   doctordumbass@, 
> > >> > > > 30 seventhray27 
> > >> > > 
> >   > 30 Ann 
> > >> > > > 27 nablusoss1008 
> > >> > > > 
> >   26 Buck 
> > >> > > > 25 Share Long 
> > >> > > > 17 
> >   authfriend 
> > >> > > > 16 turquoiseb 
> > >> > > > 16 
> >   Bhairitu 
> > >> > > > 15 Ravi Chivukula 
> > >> > > > 13 
> >   Carol 
> > >> > > > 12 raunchydog 
> > >> > > > 12 feste37 
> > >> > > > 12 card 
> > >> > > > 10 "Richard J. 
> >   Williams" 
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> > >> > > 
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> > >> > > 
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> > >> > > >  2 mainstream20016 
> > >> > > >  2 John 
> > >> > > >  2 Duveyoung 
> > >> > > >  1 srijau@, 
> >   UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@".SYNTAX-ERROR.
> > >> > > >  1 
> >   luvgemlight 
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> > >> > > 
> >   >  1 Richard 
> > >> > > >  1 Daniel Iepure 
> > >> 
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> > >> > > >  1 
> >   "kc21d@" 
> > >> > > > 
> > >> > > > Posters: 41
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> > >> > > >
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> > >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: Buck is APPRECIATED Here!

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> ditto to what Bill in Buffalo says:  Buck you and your very unique voice add 
> a lot to the FFL richness.  Hope you'll stay.

Don't worry, I'm sure he isn't going anywhere (in more ways than one.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: "WLeed3@..." 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: Buck is 
> APPRECIATED Here!
>  
> 
>   
> Buck I appreciate the gems, Bill in Buffalo NY 
> In a message dated 1/16/2013 9:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> awoelflebater@... writes:
> 
> >
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  
>   wrote:
> >>
> >> The TM Revolutionary Millenarian,
> >> Scientific 
>   research shows that even small groups of meditators (as little as the 
> square 
>   root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in 
> society 
>   from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation.
> >
> >Buck, I think your 
>   great talents, original insights and fascinating theories are wasted here 
> at 
>   FFL. Why not pack up your little suitcase of gems such as the one you just 
>   posted and find an audience that will appreciate them. We just aren't 
> worthy 
>   of such efforts on your part and there is such fertile ground out there 
> ready 
>   to just blossom with this type of deep wisdom and insight. I'll miss you 
> but 
>   I'll understand.
> >> 
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
>   "Buck"  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > --- 
>   In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >> > 
>   >
> >> > > 
> >> > > > Fairfield Life Post 
>   Counter
> >> > > > ===
> >> > > 
> >> > > #
> >> > > The Revolutionary Millenarian: 
>   Affecting change to a better time on Earth.
> >> > > 
> >> > 
>   > Another FFL Typology Spectrum:
> >> > 
> >> > > TM 
>   Revolutionary Millenarian Meditator,  Practicing Meditator,  
>   Non-meditator,  Counter-Revolutionary.
> >> > > 
> >> > 
>   >
> >> > 
> >> > Of course, the REAL Revolutionary Millenarian 
>   Meditators are here meditating with the groups now.  [What to say about 
>   the people who were once here and moved away?]
> >> >  
> >> 
>   > > 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > 39 Michael Jackson 
> >> > > > 38 Emily Reyn 
> >> > > > 35 
>   doctordumbass@, 
> >> > > > 30 seventhray27 
> >> > > 
>   > 30 Ann 
> >> > > > 27 nablusoss1008 
> >> > > > 
>   26 Buck 
> >> > > > 25 Share Long 
> >> > > > 17 
>   authfriend 
> >> > > > 16 turquoiseb 
> >> > > > 16 
>   Bhairitu 
> >> > > > 15 Ravi Chivukula 
> >> > > > 13 
>   Carol 
> >> > > > 12 raunchydog 
> >> > > > 12 feste37 
> >> > > > 12 card 
> >> > > > 10 "Richard J. 
>   Williams" 
> >> > > >  8 Alex Stanley 
> >> > > 
>   >  7 Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
> >> > > >  7 Susan 
> >> > > >  6 wgm4u 
> >> > > >  6 
>   merudanda 
> >> > > >  6 emptybill 
> >> > > 
>   >  5 Jason 
> >> > > >  4 Rick Archer 
> >> > 
>   > >  4 "emilymae.reyn" 
> >> > > >  3 salyavin808 
> >> > > >  3 laughinggull108 
> >> > > >  
>   3 Mike Dixon 
> >> > > >  2 seekliberation 
> >> > > 
>   >  2 obbajeeba 
> >> > > >  2 mainstream20016 
> >> > > >  2 John 
> >> > > >  2 Duveyoung 
> >> > > >  1 srijau@, 
>   UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS@".SYNTAX-ERROR.
> >> > > >  1 
>   luvgemlight 
> >> > > >  1 WLeed3@
> >> > > 
>   >  1 Richard 
> >> > > >  1 Daniel Iepure 
> >> 
>   > > >  1 "martin.quickman" 
> >> > > >  1 
>   "kc21d@" 
> >> > > > 
> >> > > > Posters: 41
> >> 
>   > > > 
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> 
>   >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: Buck is APPRECIATED Here!

[Share Long]

ditto to what Bill in Buffalo says:  Buck you and your very unique voice add a 
lot to the FFL richness.  Hope you'll stay.





 From: "wle...@aol.com" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: Buck is 
APPRECIATED Here!
 

  
Buck I appreciate the gems, Bill in Buffalo NY 
In a message dated 1/16/2013 9:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com writes:

>
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  
  wrote:
>>
>> The TM Revolutionary Millenarian,
>> Scientific 
  research shows that even small groups of meditators (as little as the square 
  root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform trends in 
society 
  from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation.
>
>Buck, I think your 
  great talents, original insights and fascinating theories are wasted here at 
  FFL. Why not pack up your little suitcase of gems such as the one you just 
  posted and find an audience that will appreciate them. We just aren't worthy 
  of such efforts on your part and there is such fertile ground out there ready 
  to just blossom with this type of deep wisdom and insight. I'll miss you but 
  I'll understand.
>> 
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  "Buck"  wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> > --- 
  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>> > 
  >
>> > > 
>> > > > Fairfield Life Post 
  Counter
>> > > > ===
>> > > 
>> > > #
>> > > The Revolutionary Millenarian: 
  Affecting change to a better time on Earth.
>> > > 
>> > 
  > Another FFL Typology Spectrum:
>> > 
>> > > TM 
  Revolutionary Millenarian Meditator,  Practicing Meditator,  
  Non-meditator,  Counter-Revolutionary.
>> > > 
>> > 
  >
>> > 
>> > Of course, the REAL Revolutionary Millenarian 
  Meditators are here meditating with the groups now.  [What to say about 
  the people who were once here and moved away?]
>> >  
>> 
  > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > > 39 Michael Jackson 
>> > > > 38 Emily Reyn 
>> > > > 35 
  doctordumbass@, 
>> > > > 30 seventhray27 
>> > > 
  > 30 Ann 
>> > > > 27 nablusoss1008 
>> > > > 
  26 Buck 
>> > > > 25 Share Long 
>> > > > 17 
  authfriend 
>> > > > 16 turquoiseb 
>> > > > 16 
  Bhairitu 
>> > > > 15 Ravi Chivukula 
>> > > > 13 
  Carol 
>> > > > 12 raunchydog 
>> > > > 12 feste37 
>> > > > 12 card 
>> > > > 10 "Richard J. 
  Williams" 
>> > > >  8 Alex Stanley 
>> > > 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: Buck is APPRECIATED Here!

[WLeed3]

Buck I appreciate the gems, Bill in Buffalo NY
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2013 9:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
awoelfleba...@yahoo.com writes:



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"   wrote:
>
> The TM Revolutionary Millenarian,
> Scientific  research shows that even small groups of meditators (as 
little as the square  root of one percent of the population) can quietly 
transform trends in society  from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation.

Buck, I think your  great talents, original insights and fascinating 
theories are wasted here at  FFL. Why not pack up your little suitcase of gems 
such as the one you just  posted and find an audience that will appreciate 
them. We just aren't worthy  of such efforts on your part and there is such 
fertile ground out there ready  to just blossom with this type of deep wisdom 
and insight. I'll miss you but  I'll understand.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > ---  In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >  >
> > > 
> > > > Fairfield Life Post  Counter
> > > > ===
> > >  
> > > #
> > > The Revolutionary Millenarian:  Affecting change to a better time on 
Earth.
> > > 
> >  > Another FFL Typology Spectrum:
> > 
> > > TM  Revolutionary Millenarian Meditator,  Practicing Meditator,   
Non-meditator,  Counter-Revolutionary.
> > > 
> >  >
> > 
> > Of course, the REAL Revolutionary Millenarian  Meditators are here 
meditating with the groups now.  [What to say about  the people who were once 
here and moved away?]
> >  
>  > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 39 Michael Jackson  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Revolutionary Millenarian: FFL Typology Post Count

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> The TM Revolutionary Millenarian,
> Scientific research shows that even small groups of meditators (as little as 
> the square root of one percent of the population) can quietly transform 
> trends in society from conflict and enmity to peace and cooperation.

Buck, I think your great talents, original insights and fascinating theories 
are wasted here at FFL. Why not pack up your little suitcase of gems such as 
the one you just posted and find an audience that will appreciate them. We just 
aren't worthy of such efforts on your part and there is such fertile ground out 
there ready to just blossom with this type of deep wisdom and insight. I'll 
miss you but I'll understand.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > ===
> > > 
> > > #
> > > The Revolutionary Millenarian: Affecting change to a better time on Earth.
> > > 
> > > Another FFL Typology Spectrum:
> > 
> > > TM Revolutionary Millenarian Meditator,  Practicing Meditator,  
> > > Non-meditator,  Counter-Revolutionary.
> > > 
> > >
> > 
> > Of course, the REAL Revolutionary Millenarian Meditators are here 
> > meditating with the groups now.  [What to say about the people who were 
> > once here and moved away?]
> >  
> > > 
> > > > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Becomes Integral Part of Buddhist School in Thailand

[nablusoss1008]

Unfortunately the beautiful pictures and video did not appear. They can be seen 
here:
http://tinyurl.com/d89qvzq

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

That is an interesting analysis - and the first sentence made me laugh a good 
deal - thank you!





 From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 5:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> If holding people accountable for their deeds and behavior gives me the 
> consciousness of an amoeba, I willingly accept the label. 
> 
> It is preferable to saying "Oh, that one didn't work out either, must be 
> somethin' subtle." or "Oh they aren't going to go any further with that 
> project that Marshy said was so muy importante, well he's so enlightened 
> he must see things we don't and knows in his enlightened consciousness that 
> the project is unnecessary now." 
> 
> In such situations one of course does not ask for refunds for monies given 
> for the now defunct project. 
> 
> But I am rambling as amoebas are often prone to do.

Amoebas are biologically immortal except for accidents, so you are one up on 
the TMO for that. Gurus can be under a lot of strange influences, as adoration 
can isolate them in a way that does not allow ordinary human interaction. If 
they are not rock solid enlightened and have decent ethical values, this can 
cause them to fall short of proclaimed and expected ideals. 

In the early days MMY did not seem like a betrayer of the faith people put on 
him. Plus a guru who surrounds themselves with an organisation is looking for 
trouble because of the non uniform quality of disciples and the inevitable 
number of administrators who believe rather than live the results of a 
teaching. As soon as a teacher is surrounded by an inner circle of disciples, a 
movement is doomed to corruption, unknowingly the teacher loses control as 
middlemen proliferate, and when the teacher goes, management remains, and 
everybody hates management except managers.

A lot of this falls on the stupidity of the disciples. It is almost as if there 
is a law of nature that says once a teacher gets x number of disciples, and a 
movement forms, that is the beginning of the end of whatever purity of teaching 
can be had. Perhaps a teaching has a critical mass of students above which it 
will mutate into something less than desirable. It will become a problem to all 
solutions instead of a solution to all problems.

> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:01 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks I appreciate your saying this. I just like honesty, that's all - 
> 
> if the TMO came clean owned up to all the things the things they do, openly 
> and honestly, I wouldn't have a word to say.
> 
> What I wonder about is why the TMO should let you know anything. Because even 
> if they did you wouldn't be able to understand even a sparkle of the ideas. 
> Do you remember the pearls before swine analogy ?  Being in a good mood today 
> and granting you the benefit of the doubt, it's not because I consider you a 
> pig, it's just that the qualifications for insights are not even dimly 
> present.
> 
> 
> >  From: awoelflebater 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:28 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Michael, I read the website and your comments and I thought, like virtually 
> > all of your writing here at FFL, that you state you case and your 
> > experiences with utmost clarity and lack of reaction. I appreciate who you 
> > are and where you're coming from to the extent that I can without really 
> > knowing you. Carry on, you are simply speaking of your perceptions and 
> > conclusions and experiences in a way which I find intelligent and worth 
> > considering.
> 
> Have you ever meditated with TM or spend time in the TMO ? If not, how on 
> earth can you possibly have an opinion ? I usually don't have the time to 
> read your posts here, but if they are equally unfounded what would be the 
> reason to start ?
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> If holding people accountable for their deeds and behavior gives me the 
> consciousness of an amoeba, I willingly accept the label. 
> 
> It is preferable to saying "Oh, that one didn't work out either, must be 
> somethin' subtle." or "Oh they aren't going to go any further with that 
> project that Marshy said was so muy importante, well he's so enlightened 
> he must see things we don't and knows in his enlightened consciousness that 
> the project is unnecessary now." 
> 
> In such situations one of course does not ask for refunds for monies given 
> for the now defunct project. 
> 
> But I am rambling as amoebas are often prone to do.
 
Amoebas are biologically immortal except for accidents, so you are one up on 
the TMO for that. Gurus can be under a lot of strange influences, as adoration 
can isolate them in a way that does not allow ordinary human interaction. If 
they are not rock solid enlightened and have decent ethical values, this can 
cause them to fall short of proclaimed and expected ideals. 

In the early days MMY did not seem like a betrayer of the faith people put on 
him. Plus a guru who surrounds themselves with an organisation is looking for 
trouble because of the non uniform quality of disciples and the inevitable 
number of administrators who believe rather than live the results of a 
teaching. As soon as a teacher is surrounded by an inner circle of disciples, a 
movement is doomed to corruption, unknowingly the teacher loses control as 
middlemen proliferate, and when the teacher goes, management remains, and 
everybody hates management except managers.

A lot of this falls on the stupidity of the disciples. It is almost as if there 
is a law of nature that says once a teacher gets x number of disciples, and a 
movement forms, that is the beginning of the end of whatever purity of teaching 
can be had. Perhaps a teaching has a critical mass of students above which it 
will mutate into something less than desirable. It will become a problem to all 
solutions instead of a solution to all problems.
 
> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:01 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks I appreciate your saying this. I just like honesty, that's all - 
> 
> if the TMO came clean owned up to all the things the things they do, openly 
> and honestly, I wouldn't have a word to say.
> 
> What I wonder about is why the TMO should let you know anything. Because even 
> if they did you wouldn't be able to understand even a sparkle of the ideas. 
> Do you remember the pearls before swine analogy ?  Being in a good mood today 
> and granting you the benefit of the doubt, it's not because I consider you a 
> pig, it's just that the qualifications for insights are not even dimly 
> present.
> 
> 
> >  From: awoelflebater 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:28 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > Michael, I read the website and your comments and I thought, like virtually 
> > all of your writing here at FFL, that you state you case and your 
> > experiences with utmost clarity and lack of reaction. I appreciate who you 
> > are and where you're coming from to the extent that I can without really 
> > knowing you. Carry on, you are simply speaking of your perceptions and 
> > conclusions and experiences in a way which I find intelligent and worth 
> > considering.
> 
> Have you ever meditated with TM or spend time in the TMO ? If not, how on 
> earth can you possibly have an opinion ? I usually don't have the time to 
> read your posts here, but if they are equally unfounded what would be the 
> reason to start ?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

If holding people accountable for their deeds and behavior gives me the 
consciousness of an amoeba, I willingly accept the label. 

It is preferable to saying "Oh, that one didn't work out either, must be 
somethin' subtle." or "Oh they aren't going to go any further with that project 
that Marshy said was so muy importante, well he's so enlightened he must 
see things we don't and knows in his enlightened consciousness that the project 
is unnecessary now." 

In such situations one of course does not ask for refunds for monies given for 
the now defunct project. 

But I am rambling as amoebas are often prone to do.





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Thanks I appreciate your saying this. I just like honesty, that's all - 

if the TMO came clean owned up to all the things the things they do, openly and 
honestly, I wouldn't have a word to say.

What I wonder about is why the TMO should let you know anything. Because even 
if they did you wouldn't be able to understand even a sparkle of the ideas. Do 
you remember the pearls before swine analogy ?  Being in a good mood today and 
granting you the benefit of the doubt, it's not because I consider you a pig, 
it's just that the qualifications for insights are not even dimly present.


>  From: awoelflebater 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:28 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
> 
> 
>   
> Michael, I read the website and your comments and I thought, like virtually 
> all of your writing here at FFL, that you state you case and your experiences 
> with utmost clarity and lack of reaction. I appreciate who you are and where 
> you're coming from to the extent that I can without really knowing you. Carry 
> on, you are simply speaking of your perceptions and conclusions and 
> experiences in a way which I find intelligent and worth considering.

Have you ever meditated with TM or spend time in the TMO ? If not, how on earth 
can you possibly have an opinion ? I usually don't have the time to read your 
posts here, but if they are equally unfounded what would be the reason to start 
?


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
I am sure this will sound arrogant to a TMO junkie, but I got over the need for 
getting my meditation "checked" when I left MIU in 1987 - 

Thanks, that was already well understood and explains your set-up.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

I don't believe I have blamed anyone in the TMO for anything - but I am willing 
to call them on their crap-ola when I see it - I am sure this will sound 
arrogant to a TMO junkie, but I got over the need for getting my meditation 
"checked" when I left MIU in 1987 - how many other meditation pathways tell you 
to get your meditation checked?

So we both know that no matter what I say you are gonna still turn a blind eye 
to the excesses and ridiculous behavior of the TMO as well as the many many 
many unfulfilled promises of Maharishi, the fact that he told lies about being 
celibate and about what he was using everyone's money for.

And no matter what you say I will never give myself over to a group who walk 
around feeling holier than everyone else by virtue of having paid a million 
bucks for face time with a man who I think will go down in history as the most 
successful con artist of the 20th Century. I mean, he had a 54 year run, made 
over 3 billion dollars, was adored and treated like the second coming by 
thousands of people, increased the con over the years with increasingly absurd 
aspects of the original con (here I mean the sidhis as original con cuz as I 
have stated before. I do think the basic meditation technique he taught is 
beneficial, no more so than any other mind you), tho he did tell a few fibs 
about the TM technique itself like it has no side effects (heavy unstressing on 
rounding courses anyone?) it is more effective than other meditations and that 
it only takes 3-5 years of TM to achieve enlightenment.

So yeah he was pretty successful. Now if you have deigned to read this far, I 
wanna ask you an honest question. If you worked for a person who was running a 
successful business that helped people to some extent in their lives and 
discovered that he and his, let's say nephews, who ran the company with him 
were misusing funds, taking money under false pretenses and using his position 
to seduce women and telling a certain number of lies in order to keep his 
business going, would you continue to support him and work for his company, 
knowing that as you did so, you would still be helping people to some extent 
even while helping him to perpetrate a con artist deal on the public at the 
same time?

I





 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Having read your comments and meditated on them I must say I am actually 
> happy with myself for asking these people who have made a lifestyle out of 
> lying to stop doing so. 

Anyone with as much vitriol as this display has some serious issues to resolve 
within himself. Blaming others won't help; get a checking.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Thanks I appreciate your saying this. I just like honesty, that's all - 

if the TMO came clean owned up to all the things the things they do, openly and 
honestly, I wouldn't have a word to say.


What I wonder about is why the TMO should let you know anything. Because even 
if they did you wouldn't be able to understand even a sparkle of the ideas. Do 
you remember the pearls before swine analogy ?  Being in a good mood today and 
granting you the benefit of the doubt, it's not because I consider you a pig, 
it's just that the qualifications for insights are not even dimly present.


>  From: awoelflebater 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:28 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
>  
> 
>   
> Michael, I read the website and your comments and I thought, like virtually 
> all of your writing here at FFL, that you state you case and your experiences 
> with utmost clarity and lack of reaction. I appreciate who you are and where 
> you're coming from to the extent that I can without really knowing you. Carry 
> on, you are simply speaking of your perceptions and conclusions and 
> experiences in a way which I find intelligent and worth considering.


Have you ever meditated with TM or spend time in the TMO ? If not, how on earth 
can you possibly have an opinion ? I usually don't have the time to read your 
posts here, but if they are equally unfounded what would be the reason to start 
?

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Having read your comments and meditated on them I must say I am actually 
> happy with myself for asking these people who have made a lifestyle out of 
> lying to stop doing so. 


Anyone with as much vitriol as this display has some serious issues to resolve 
within himself. Blaming others won't help; get a checking.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Share Long]

ahem, and my other question?  You know the one about the more evolved action of 
simply stating your opinion and then moving on?  Would you say you have done 
that with regards to your opinions about the TMO?


As for my character, I think being on FFL has actually strengthened it, thank 
you.  I've stood up for what I think is right.  My reputation might be a bit 
more tarnished than it was.  I can live with that.

to Jason:  not sure what you meant by the impersonal level when you said:  On 
an impersonal level, he is right.


 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> I think he is talking about certain other people Share and 
> not himself.

Just to be clear, I definitely include myself in the
list of lamos who read this forum. :-) The only excuse
I can come up with for it is that like Bhairitu I do
it mainly for entertainment; his characterization of
this place as the "Funny Farm Lounge" has never been
more accurate than in recent days. 

Then again, I also admit to occasionally watching *other*
soap operas, such as the popular American TV show "Revenge."
I find that they give me insights into the mass mindset
of Americans, and the silly things they obsess over. 

In particular, if Share is wondering whether I consider
her as much of an attention-seeking Drama Queen as the
others participating in embarrassing ego-dance, my answer 
is an unqualified "Yes." She's doing as much as anyone 
else to perpetuate it. In my experience, nothing erodes 
a person's character or reputation more quickly and 
effectively than constantly feeling the need to defend it. 

> On an impersonal level, he is right.
> 
> 
> ---  Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > yoohoo!  Weren't you praying yesterday that the Robin 
> > topics would disappear?!  I guess you were really praying 
> > that you could have the last word on it.
> > Whoops!  You might have to post again I guess.  
> > 
> > And do you include yourself in what you called the couple 
> > of dozen people lame enough to read this forum?!
> > 
> > And do you think that you have done what you call the more 
> > evolved action of simply stating your opinion and then 
> > moving on?  Do you think you have done that with regards 
> > to the TMO?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:53 AM
> > 
> > It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
> > this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
> > other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
> > this forum will ever know anything about the people
> > themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
> > arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
> > somebodyness. 
> > 
> > People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
> > as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
> > a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
> > You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.
> > 
> > Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that.
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Having read your comments and meditated on them I must say I am actually 
> happy with myself for asking these people who have made a lifestyle out of 
> lying to stop doing so. 

Well said, I think Hagelin should hand back his PHD and stop
using it as a plea to authority because people take that
stuff seriously. Trust me, a quantum physicist doing a rain dance
means *nothing* scientifically. You know that but a lot of
people in the TMO take him seriously because he used to work at 
CERN they think his opinion on everything is more likely to be 
right as long as he dresses it up with a bit of quark-babble. 

Like in his Physics of yogic flying lecture where he claims 
hopping up and down is caused by altering the position of 
particles at the quantum level and thus statistically altering 
the likelihood of gravity working in its familiar way. Uh huh.

 
> All I want is for the general public who are currently being blitzed and 
> deliberately so with a great deal of la la la 
> everything-about-TM-is-swell-sweet-and-good deserve to know what kind of 
> people they are dealing with.
> 
> It is rather typical of TM apologists to accuse people of "unstressing" when 
> they are merely stating facts the TMO doesn't want to admit to. Unstressing, 
> you know, the phenomenon that David Spector and Tammy on the cardio blog 
> won't admit exists?


 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:41 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
> > public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
> > baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect 
> > this info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you 
> > to pay attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 
> > 
> > I don't rant 
> 
> Even compared to the colourful persona on this forum you are unusually full 
> of your self and obsessed with your own unstressing.
> 
> - I want people to have the full picture, 
> 
> Which you are not even close to be able to give. Have a reality check, or 
> even better; have your meditation checked.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

Isn't that the whole point to doing TM?





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 11:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  
I guessed it. What this is all about is making yourself happy. Thanks for 
letting us know. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Having read your comments and meditated on them I must say I am actually 
> happy with myself for asking these people who have made a lifestyle out of 
> lying to stop doing so. 
> 
> All I want is for the general public who are currently being blitzed and 
> deliberately so with a great deal of la la la 
> everything-about-TM-is-swell-sweet-and-good deserve to know what kind of 
> people they are dealing with.
> 
> It is rather typical of TM apologists to accuse people of "unstressing" when 
> they are merely stating facts the TMO doesn't want to admit to. Unstressing, 
> you know, the phenomenon that David Spector and Tammy on the cardio blog 
> won't admit exists? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:41 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
> > public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
> > baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect 
> > this info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you 
> > to pay attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 
> > 
> > I don't rant 
> 
> Even compared to the colourful persona on this forum you are unusually full 
> of your self and obsessed with your own unstressing.
> 
> - I want people to have the full picture, 
> 
> Which you are not even close to be able to give. Have a reality check, or 
> even better; have your meditation checked.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[feste37]

I guessed it. What this is all about is making yourself happy. Thanks for 
letting us know. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Having read your comments and meditated on them I must say I am actually 
> happy with myself for asking these people who have made a lifestyle out of 
> lying to stop doing so. 
> 
> All I want is for the general public who are currently being blitzed and 
> deliberately so with a great deal of la la la 
> everything-about-TM-is-swell-sweet-and-good deserve to know what kind of 
> people they are dealing with.
> 
> It is rather typical of TM apologists to accuse people of "unstressing" when 
> they are merely stating facts the TMO doesn't want to admit to. Unstressing, 
> you know, the phenomenon that David Spector and Tammy on the cardio blog 
> won't admit exists? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:41 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
>  
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
> > public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
> > baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect 
> > this info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you 
> > to pay attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 
> > 
> > I don't rant 
> 
> Even compared to the colourful persona on this forum you are unusually full 
> of your self and obsessed with your own unstressing.
> 
> - I want people to have the full picture, 
> 
> Which you are not even close to be able to give. Have a reality check, or 
> even better; have your meditation checked.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

Having read your comments and meditated on them I must say I am actually happy 
with myself for asking these people who have made a lifestyle out of lying to 
stop doing so. 

All I want is for the general public who are currently being blitzed and 
deliberately so with a great deal of la la la 
everything-about-TM-is-swell-sweet-and-good deserve to know what kind of people 
they are dealing with.

It is rather typical of TM apologists to accuse people of "unstressing" when 
they are merely stating facts the TMO doesn't want to admit to. Unstressing, 
you know, the phenomenon that David Spector and Tammy on the cardio blog won't 
admit exists? 






 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
> public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
> baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect 
> this info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you 
> to pay attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 
> 
> I don't rant 

Even compared to the colourful persona on this forum you are unusually full of 
your self and obsessed with your own unstressing.

- I want people to have the full picture, 

Which you are not even close to be able to give. Have a reality check, or even 
better; have your meditation checked.


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

Thanks I appreciate your saying this. I just like honesty, that's all - if the 
TMO came clean owned up to all the things the things they do, openly and 
honestly, I wouldn't have a word to say.





 From: awoelflebater 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  
Michael, I read the website and your comments and I thought, like virtually all 
of your writing here at FFL, that you state you case and your experiences with 
utmost clarity and lack of reaction. I appreciate who you are and where you're 
coming from to the extent that I can without really knowing you. Carry on, you 
are simply speaking of your perceptions and conclusions and experiences in a 
way which I find intelligent and worth considering.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
> public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
> baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect 
> this info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you 
> to pay attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 
> 
> I don't rant - I want people to have the full picture, not the limited 
> information the TM Movement puts out - then people can make their own 
> decision - but people are entitled to full disclosure, full information and 
> you know damn good and well full disclosure is one thing the TM folks are not 
> willing to give most of the time.
> 
> When you deal with esoteric notions there is the notion of karma or 
> unresolved energy that people create individually and collectively - if you 
> want more people to do TM you are going to have to deal openly and 
> forthrightly with the energy of unpleasant and unconscionable behavior the TM 
> Movement has created and perpetuated. Even those who are still TM boosters 
> have story after story of TM abuse.
> 
> I spoke last night to an old friend who was on one of the early Governor 
> training courses and who was on one of the teams of Governors who taught the 
> TM Sidhi Prep courses around 1977 or 1978 - she nearly adores what she 
> received from Maharishi, yet said her time on the Sidhi Prep teams was one of 
> the worst of her life due to the way the Council in New York who was in 
> charge of the teams treated her and the other ladies on her team, and other 
> teams she knew of.
> 
> Karma is karma but you seem to think if its created in the service of 
> Maharishi it don't stick to you.
> 
> What does that have to do with scientific research? The credibility of the 
> organization that does this research has been impaired due to its behavior, 
> not to mention the fact that to have most of the TM research done by TM'ers 
> always with positive results is like having Merck doing all its own research 
> on its own drugs, or as we say here in the South, its like having the coyotes 
> guarding the hen house.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:33 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
> 
> 
>   
> Your comments are worthless because they are not about the subject of the 
> article. You just wanted to go on an anti-TM rant, throwing in everything you 
> could think of. The other posters dealt with you quite kindly, which is more 
> than you deserved. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> > Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this blog on a TM study 
> > and saw one of the comments on it, I decided to post a reply - this brought 
> > forth a heated response from someone that I suspect works for the TM folks 
> > - so check it out if you want some fun.
> > 
> > http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

You sure do love the balls - Tom and Jeanne that is - Jeanne is the author of 
the article you quote - she and her hubby Tom are the governors for the 
Carolinas - so what do you expect she is gonna write?





 From: Richard J. Williams 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  


feste37:
> Your comments are worthless because they are not about 
> the subject of the article. You just wanted to go on 
> an anti-TM rant, throwing in everything you could think 
> of. The other posters dealt with you quite kindly, which 
> is more than you deserved... 
>
So, I guess if the TM studies have been discredited, then
we should be able to read the rebuttals *in the journals that
originally published them*. So, why can't mjackson just
cite those journals, or links to them, so we can read
the studies that debunk TM practice.

>From what I've read, most of the 360 scientific studies on 
TM were done by scientists not affiliated with the TMO.

"Meditation labs have sprung up at universities across the 
country--places such as Yale, UCLA, University of Oregon, 
UW Madison and Maharishi University of Management. Their
contributions have helped researchers identify three major 
categories of techniques, classified according to EEG 
measurements and the type of cognitive processing or 
mental activity involved..."

'How Meditation Techniques Compare -- Zen, Mindfulness
Transcendental Meditation and more' 
Huffpost - Healthy Living
http://tinyurl.com/2ayg3q4

mjackson74:
> > Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this 
> > blog on a TM study and saw one of the comments on it, 
> > I decided to post a reply - this brought forth a heated 
> > response from someone that I suspect works for the TM 
> > folks - so check it out if you want some fun.
> > 
> > http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
> >
>


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Share Long]

Oh Ansel Adams of doggie elimination, go take another photo of your pup's 
bottom as it pees upside down on a tree.  
Can you say more about feeling embarrassed?  Or your experience of feeling the 
need to defend yourself?





 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:08 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> I think he is talking about certain other people Share and 
> not himself.

Just to be clear, I definitely include myself in the
list of lamos who read this forum. :-) The only excuse
I can come up with for it is that like Bhairitu I do
it mainly for entertainment; his characterization of
this place as the "Funny Farm Lounge" has never been
more accurate than in recent days. 

Then again, I also admit to occasionally watching *other*
soap operas, such as the popular American TV show "Revenge."
I find that they give me insights into the mass mindset
of Americans, and the silly things they obsess over. 

In particular, if Share is wondering whether I consider
her as much of an attention-seeking Drama Queen as the
others participating in embarrassing ego-dance, my answer 
is an unqualified "Yes." She's doing as much as anyone 
else to perpetuate it. In my experience, nothing erodes 
a person's character or reputation more quickly and 
effectively than constantly feeling the need to defend it. 

> On an impersonal level, he is right.
> 
> 
> ---  Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > yoohoo!  Weren't you praying yesterday that the Robin 
> > topics would disappear?!  I guess you were really praying 
> > that you could have the last word on it.
> > Whoops!  You might have to post again I guess.  
> > 
> > And do you include yourself in what you called the couple 
> > of dozen people lame enough to read this forum?!
> > 
> > And do you think that you have done what you call the more 
> > evolved action of simply stating your opinion and then 
> > moving on?  Do you think you have done that with regards 
> > to the TMO?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:53 AM
> > 
> > It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
> > this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
> > other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
> > this forum will ever know anything about the people
> > themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
> > arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
> > somebodyness. 
> > 
> > People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
> > as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
> > a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
> > You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.
> > 
> > Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that.
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Richard J. Williams]

> > I think he is talking about certain other people Share 
> > and not himself.
> >
turquoiseb:
> Just to be clear, I definitely include myself in the
> list of lamos who read this forum. :-) The only excuse
> I can come up with for it is that like Bhairitu I do
> it mainly for entertainment; his characterization of
> this place as the "Funny Farm Lounge" has never been
> more accurate than in recent days. 
> 
> Then again, I also admit to occasionally watching *other*
> soap operas, such as the popular American TV show 
> "Revenge." I find that they give me insights into the 
> mass mindset of Americans, and the silly things they 
> obsess over. 
> 
> In particular, if Share is wondering whether I consider
> her as much of an attention-seeking Drama Queen as the
> others participating in embarrassing ego-dance, my answer 
> is an unqualified "Yes." She's doing as much as anyone 
> else to perpetuate it. In my experience, nothing erodes 
> a person's character or reputation more quickly and 
> effectively than constantly feeling the need to defend it. 
>
So, that's your defense? LoL!

My wager is that Turq has never read a single scientific, 
double-blind study on the effects of practicing basic TM.

Any takers?

Apparently Turq doesn't even realize that several studies, 
using 'placebos', Turq's favorite theory, have been 
performed by Herbert Benson, M.D. Now that's funny!!! 

Read more:

'The Relaxation Response'
By Herbert Benson
Harper, 1975

> > On an impersonal level, he is right.
> > 
> > 
> > ---  Share Long  wrote:
> > >
> > > yoohoo!  Weren't you praying yesterday that the Robin 
> > > topics would disappear?!  I guess you were really praying 
> > > that you could have the last word on it.
> > > Whoops!  You might have to post again I guess.  
> > > 
> > > And do you include yourself in what you called the couple 
> > > of dozen people lame enough to read this forum?!
> > > 
> > > And do you think that you have done what you call the more 
> > > evolved action of simply stating your opinion and then 
> > > moving on?  Do you think you have done that with regards 
> > > to the TMO?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  From: turquoiseb 
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:53 AM
> > > 
> > > It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
> > > this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
> > > other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
> > > this forum will ever know anything about the people
> > > themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
> > > arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
> > > somebodyness. 
> > > 
> > > People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
> > > as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
> > > a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
> > > You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.
> > > 
> > > Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[raunchydog]

Come on, Barry. Answer Share's questions. We really want to know what makes you 
tick.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> yoohoo!  Weren't you praying yesterday that the Robin topics would 
> disappear?!  I guess you were really praying that you could have the last 
> word on it.
> Whoops!  You might have to post again I guess.  
> 
> And do you include yourself in what you called the couple of dozen people 
> lame enough to read this forum?!
> 
> 
> And do you think that you have done what you call the more evolved action of 
> simply stating your opinion and then moving on?  Do you think you have done 
> that with regards to the TMO?
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:53 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
>  
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> > >
> 
> 
> 
> It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
> this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
> other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
> this forum will ever know anything about the people
> themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
> arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
> somebodyness. 
> 
> People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
> as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
> a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
> You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.
> 
> Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Richard J. Williams]

feste37:
> Your comments are worthless because they are not about 
> the subject of the article. You just wanted to go on 
> an anti-TM rant, throwing in everything you could think 
> of. The other posters dealt with you quite kindly, which 
> is more than you deserved...  
>
So, I guess if the TM studies have been discredited, then
we should be able to read the rebuttals *in the journals that
originally published them*. So, why can't mjackson just
cite those journals, or links to them, so we can read
the studies that debunk TM practice.

>From what I've read, most of the 360 scientific studies on 
TM were done by scientists not affiliated with the TMO.

"Meditation labs have sprung up at universities across the 
country--places such as Yale, UCLA, University of Oregon, 
UW Madison and Maharishi University of Management. Their
contributions have helped researchers identify three major 
categories of techniques, classified according to EEG 
measurements and the type of cognitive processing or 
mental activity involved..."

'How Meditation Techniques Compare -- Zen, Mindfulness
Transcendental Meditation and more' 
Huffpost - Healthy Living
http://tinyurl.com/2ayg3q4
 
mjackson74:
> > Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this 
> > blog on a TM study and saw one of the comments on it, 
> > I decided to post a reply - this brought forth a heated 
> > response from someone that I suspect works for the TM 
> > folks - so check it out if you want some fun.
> > 
> > http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> I think he is talking about certain other people Share and 
> not himself.

Just to be clear, I definitely include myself in the
list of lamos who read this forum. :-) The only excuse
I can come up with for it is that like Bhairitu I do
it mainly for entertainment; his characterization of
this place as the "Funny Farm Lounge" has never been
more accurate than in recent days. 

Then again, I also admit to occasionally watching *other*
soap operas, such as the popular American TV show "Revenge."
I find that they give me insights into the mass mindset
of Americans, and the silly things they obsess over. 

In particular, if Share is wondering whether I consider
her as much of an attention-seeking Drama Queen as the
others participating in embarrassing ego-dance, my answer 
is an unqualified "Yes." She's doing as much as anyone 
else to perpetuate it. In my experience, nothing erodes 
a person's character or reputation more quickly and 
effectively than constantly feeling the need to defend it. 
 
> On an impersonal level, he is right.
> 
> 
> ---  Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > yoohoo!  Weren't you praying yesterday that the Robin 
> > topics would disappear?!  I guess you were really praying 
> > that you could have the last word on it.
> > Whoops!  You might have to post again I guess.  
> > 
> > And do you include yourself in what you called the couple 
> > of dozen people lame enough to read this forum?!
> > 
> > And do you think that you have done what you call the more 
> > evolved action of simply stating your opinion and then 
> > moving on?  Do you think you have done that with regards 
> > to the TMO?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:53 AM
> > 
> > It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
> > this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
> > other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
> > this forum will ever know anything about the people
> > themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
> > arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
> > somebodyness. 
> > 
> > People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
> > as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
> > a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
> > You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.
> > 
> > Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> > Karma is karma but you seem to think if its created 
> in the service of Maharishi it don't stick to you...
>
It sounds to me like you've had a pretty normal 
experience of going off to college for a year or two. 

Does anyone ever get over disagreement with teachers and 
dealing with admin? You want stories about college? My 
four years at UT would make your two years at MIU look 
like a mountain compared to an anthill. LoL!

So, let's break it down:

If you had paid attention to your history teacher, you 
would know that the notion of 'karma' comes from original 
Buddhism in India, during the fifth century B.C. Karma is 
one of the major beliefs of Qigong in China and Japan. 

The historical Buddha taught 'Causation', termed 'karma' 
in Sanskrit. Briefly stated, karma is the theory of 
'action', a force that causes the entire cosmic cycle of 
cause and effect. This eternal cycle of 'samsara' is an 
endless round of becoming. The idea that there is cause 
and effect in the material world was first enunciated by 
the sramanas. The Buddha Shakya the Muni then propounded 
the idea of moral reciprocity, a new theory of Causation.

"A concept of karma (along with samsara and moksha) may 
originate in the shramana tradition of which Buddhism 
and Jainism are continuations."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

Are we agreed so far?

According to Buddhist teaching, 'karma' has nothing to 
do with a persons future rebirths. Karma is just the law 
of cause and effect and everything is subject to this 
law, from a highly evolved person down to a single blade 
of grass - there are no exceptions.

If there were any kinds of left-over karmic actions in 
future births these would have to be controlled by the 
Ishvara, the inner controller. But Buddhism has no 
such controller - so karma is just Causation, which is
the central philosophy of Mahayana Buddhism.

In order for a person to reap the result of his or her 
actions in the past, there would have to be a 
reincarnating soul-monad. But the historical Buddha did 
not ascribe to this idea.

According to Shakya the Muni, a person gets the karma 
of their actions in this life - there is rebirth, but 
not a rebirth of a soul-monad. So, there would be no 
individual to reap the effects of past karma. 

Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[awoelflebater]

Michael, I read the website and your comments and I thought, like virtually all 
of your writing here at FFL, that you state you case and your experiences with 
utmost clarity and lack of reaction. I appreciate who you are and where you're 
coming from to the extent that I can without really knowing you. Carry on, you 
are simply speaking of your perceptions and conclusions and experiences in a 
way which I find intelligent and worth considering.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
> public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
> baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect 
> this info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you 
> to pay attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 
> 
> I don't rant - I want people to have the full picture, not the limited 
> information the TM Movement puts out - then people can make their own 
> decision - but people are entitled to full disclosure, full information and 
> you know damn good and well full disclosure is one thing the TM folks are not 
> willing to give most of the time.
> 
> When you deal with esoteric notions there is the notion of karma or 
> unresolved energy that people create individually and collectively - if you 
> want more people to do TM you are going to have to deal openly and 
> forthrightly with the energy of unpleasant and unconscionable behavior the TM 
> Movement has created and perpetuated. Even those who are still TM boosters 
> have story after story of TM abuse.
> 
> I spoke last night to an old friend who was on one of the early Governor 
> training courses and who was on one of the teams of Governors who taught the 
> TM Sidhi Prep courses around 1977 or 1978 - she nearly adores what she 
> received from Maharishi, yet said her time on the Sidhi Prep teams was one of 
> the worst of her life due to the way the Council in New York who was in 
> charge of the teams treated her and the other ladies on her team, and other 
> teams she knew of.
> 
> Karma is karma but you seem to think if its created in the service of 
> Maharishi it don't stick to you.
> 
> What does that have to do with scientific research? The credibility of the 
> organization that does this research has been impaired due to its behavior, 
> not to mention the fact that to have most of the TM research done by TM'ers 
> always with positive results is like having Merck doing all its own research 
> on its own drugs, or as we say here in the South, its like having the coyotes 
> guarding the hen house.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ____________
>  From: feste37 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:33 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
>  
> 
>   
> Your comments are worthless because they are not about the subject of the 
> article. You just wanted to go on an anti-TM rant, throwing in everything you 
> could think of. The other posters dealt with you quite kindly, which is more 
> than you deserved. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> > Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this blog on a TM study 
> > and saw one of the comments on it, I decided to post a reply - this brought 
> > forth a heated response from someone that I suspect works for the TM folks 
> > - so check it out if you want some fun.
> > 
> > http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
> public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
> baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect 
> this info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you 
> to pay attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 
> 
> I don't rant 

Even compared to the colourful persona on this forum you are unusually full of 
your self and obsessed with your own unstressing.

- I want people to have the full picture, 

Which you are not even close to be able to give. Have a reality check, or even 
better; have your meditation checked.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Jason]

I think he is talking about certain other people Share and 
not himself.

On an impersonal level, he is right.


---  Share Long  wrote:
>
> yoohoo!  Weren't you praying yesterday that the Robin topics would 
> disappear?!  I guess you were really praying that you could have the last 
> word on it.
> Whoops!  You might have to post again I guess.  
> 
> And do you include yourself in what you called the couple of dozen people 
> lame enough to read this forum?!
> 
> 
> And do you think that you have done what you call the more evolved action of 
> simply stating your opinion and then moving on?  Do you think you have done 
> that with regards to the TMO?
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:53 AM
>  
> 
> It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
> this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
> other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
> this forum will ever know anything about the people
> themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
> arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
> somebodyness. 
> 
> People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
> as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
> a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
> You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.
> 
> Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Share Long]

yoohoo!  Weren't you praying yesterday that the Robin topics would disappear?!  
I guess you were really praying that you could have the last word on it.
Whoops!  You might have to post again I guess.  

And do you include yourself in what you called the couple of dozen people lame 
enough to read this forum?!


And do you think that you have done what you call the more evolved action of 
simply stating your opinion and then moving on?  Do you think you have done 
that with regards to the TMO?



 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >



It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
this forum will ever know anything about the people
themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
somebodyness. 

People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.

Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that. 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
> >
> > Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this 
> > blog on a TM study and saw one of the comments on it, 
> > I decided to post a reply - this brought forth a heated 
> > response from someone that I suspect works for the TM 
> > folks - so check it out if you want some fun.
> > 
> > http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
> 
> Hilarious. I love how the TB responds when you pin something
> down about TM, all of a sudden it was never meant to cure 
> anything, never meant to make you enlightened and it was *you*
> who didn't understand it if you aren't happy with what it didn't
> do. It's like these people forget they ever read any of Marshy's
> books or heard a lecture.

On another level, all of this posturing and arguing and
(essentially) "self image repair" on the blog is the 
perfect counterpart to what's happening on this forum. 
What ELSE would you call the desperate attempts on both 
sides of the "Who is really the stalker here?" silliness? 

>From his side, Robin is so clearly and heavily invested
in trying to get everyone to see him the way he sees
himself that I'm expecting him to hire a cyberhelicopter
and spam FFL with leaflets any day now. I see Share as
only slightly less invested, and *just* as ego-involved
in trying to prove that her view is "right" and that she
is the "victim." The groupies on both sides...just more 
ego-posturing to claim that one side is "right" or "more 
right" than another. It all adds up to a shitload of 
people who feel a need to constantly (and aggressively) 
"defend" what they believe, and "defend" the images that
they push out about themselves...almost as if they can no 
longer distinguish that from what they are.

Almost as if. :-)

TM is a minor meditation technique that most people on
this planet have never heard of and never will; what 
the general public thinks about it Simply Doesn't Matter
because TM Simply Doesn't Matter. It doesn't have a 
chance competing in a health care marketplace against
techniques that are more reasonably priced and that don't
carry the baggage that TM does. 

It's the same IMO with all of the egos involved in all 
this posturing and arguing. Almost no one on the planet
other than a couple of dozen people lame enough to read
this forum will ever know anything about the people
themselves, or ever care to. It's a bunch of nobodies
arguing with other nobodies about their supposed 
somebodyness. 

People have tried to demonize "drive bys" on this forum,
as if simply stating one's opinion and moving on is
a Bad Thing. I suspect it's a more highly evolved thing.
You just say what you think and stay out of the shit.

Let those who enjoy wallowing in shit do that. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this blog on a TM study and 
> saw one of the comments on it, I decided to post a reply - this brought forth 
> a heated response from someone that I suspect works for the TM folks - so 
> check it out if you want some fun.
> 
> http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
>


Hilarious. I love how the TB responds when you pin something
down about TM, all of a sudden it was never meant to cure 
anything, never meant to make you enlightened and it was *you*
who didn't understand it if you aren't happy with what it didn't
do. It's like these people forget they ever read any of Marshy's
books or heard a lecture.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[Michael Jackson]

Whether you and other TM apologists like it or not, if you want the general 
public to dote on TM like you do, you are going to have to deal with the 
baggage the Movement has generated for nearly 60 years - you can't expect this 
info to be taken in a vacuum - as in pay attention to what we tell you to pay 
attention to, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. 

I don't rant - I want people to have the full picture, not the limited 
information the TM Movement puts out - then people can make their own decision 
- but people are entitled to full disclosure, full information and you know 
damn good and well full disclosure is one thing the TM folks are not willing to 
give most of the time.

When you deal with esoteric notions there is the notion of karma or unresolved 
energy that people create individually and collectively - if you want more 
people to do TM you are going to have to deal openly and forthrightly with the 
energy of unpleasant and unconscionable behavior the TM Movement has created 
and perpetuated. Even those who are still TM boosters have story after story of 
TM abuse.

I spoke last night to an old friend who was on one of the early Governor 
training courses and who was on one of the teams of Governors who taught the TM 
Sidhi Prep courses around 1977 or 1978 - she nearly adores what she received 
from Maharishi, yet said her time on the Sidhi Prep teams was one of the worst 
of her life due to the way the Council in New York who was in charge of the 
teams treated her and the other ladies on her team, and other teams she knew of.

Karma is karma but you seem to think if its created in the service of Maharishi 
it don't stick to you.

What does that have to do with scientific research? The credibility of the 
organization that does this research has been impaired due to its behavior, not 
to mention the fact that to have most of the TM research done by TM'ers always 
with positive results is like having Merck doing all its own research on its 
own drugs, or as we say here in the South, its like having the coyotes guarding 
the hen house.





 From: feste37 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.
 

  
Your comments are worthless because they are not about the subject of the 
article. You just wanted to go on an anti-TM rant, throwing in everything you 
could think of. The other posters dealt with you quite kindly, which is more 
than you deserved. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this blog on a TM study and 
> saw one of the comments on it, I decided to post a reply - this brought forth 
> a heated response from someone that I suspect works for the TM folks - so 
> check it out if you want some fun.
> 
> http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM studies and dueling comments.

[feste37]

Your comments are worthless because they are not about the subject of the 
article. You just wanted to go on an anti-TM rant, throwing in everything you 
could think of. The other posters dealt with you quite kindly, which is more 
than you deserved.  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74"  wrote:
>
> Dunno if any of you are interested but when I saw this blog on a TM study and 
> saw one of the comments on it, I decided to post a reply - this brought forth 
> a heated response from someone that I suspect works for the TM folks - so 
> check it out if you want some fun.
> 
> http://cardiobrief.org/2012/11/13/mysterious-disappearing-paper-finally-reappears-in-another-journal/
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM trivia

[Share Long]

I'm currently reading the book Mindsight by Dr. Daniel J. Siegel, UCLA 
professor who specializes in integrating different aspects of mindfulness 
training into his psychotherapy practice.  He's been finding that the physical 
brain, both its structure and its chemistry, can be healed even of conditions 
that are genetically based.  It's an accessible and encouraging book.  


In other sources I've read that there are cellular connections between the 
brain and the heart and the stomach.  Though we talk about thoughts and 
emotions and sensations, I think these distinctions are coming to be understood 
as perhaps less real or useful then we once thought they were.




 From: Jason 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 7:19 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM trivia
 

  


---  "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> When does the nervous system lose its ability to experience 
> happiness?
>

It's the brain that experiences happiness.  It's an emotion.

The nervous system only transmits pleasure which is a 
sensation.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM trivia

[Jason]

---  "card"  wrote:
>
> 
> When does the nervous system lose its ability to experience 
> happiness?
>

It's the brain that experiences happiness.  It's an emotion.

The nervous system only transmits pleasure which is a 
sensation.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

The Synchronous meditation times for group meditations in each time zone remain 
the same for this next campaign.  In Fairfield we meditate at dawn's light and 
at sun's set. Doors open at 7am and 4pm.  Be there and meditate there with us.
-Buck


> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Could it evolution that homo-sapiens have this bizzare 
> > > tendency to draw bulls-eye after the arrow has been shot?
> > > 
> > > Taking credit for "achievements" after the event has 
> > > happened.  
> > 
> > 
> > Ehm, how many Guru Purimah's did you spend with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ?
> > 
> > At certain celebrations one would place a "wish-note" for Guru Dev in a box 
> > in the podium and later, if one so wished, speak out the wish.
> > I personally witnessed several (Germans) who wished for an united Germany, 
> > this was in the '70s and '80s. Maharishi always said "It will happen". 
> > 
> > Now, how many of the nitwits in the audience who later left Him,  some even 
> > have the nerve to post here claiming to be experts in esoteric matters, 
> > believed a word of that ?
> > 
> > The rest of us simply, with time, witnessed the words of this great Master 
> > come through.
> >
> 
> Dear Nablusoss, that's a beautiful remembrance of a true time and a movement. 
>  As meditators even now we are part of a family and as a family we will rise 
> and fall together.  In collective consciousness you each made a difference 
> then and No matter what you do now or where you'll go we carry the memory of 
> the history we made together.   The best is yet to come.  Everyone who can, 
> sit up and meditate, stay close together.  There's power and safety in 
> numbers.  Come to meditation.
> -Buck
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Jason]

Maharishi dissed 'old blighty' because he was not too 
dependent on it's pound compared to the US dollar.

IMO, it's really funny that he ranted against it as if it's 
the only nation that went to war.

I remember Maharishi threatening that he will not give this 
"technology" to any nation that doesn't listen to him, 
sometime in 1999 or 2000.


---  Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Wow! Powerful! 
> 
> Wonder how long we have to wait for: 
> 
> One or more people to actually levitate 
> 
> World peace created in such a way that the entire world wants and begins to 
> learn TM since they know it was the Movement that created world peace single 
> handed (he predicted that you know)
> 
> Statistical proof that entering a building through a south facing entrance 
> causes multiple life problems
> 
> Proof that England is anymore of a "scorpion nation" for supporting the US in 
> Iraq than the US was for being in Iraq
> 
> Real proof that the Maharishi Effect actually effects anything except peoples 
> emotions
> 
> Explanation that if the ME is real, why Maha told the TM teachers in England 
> to leave and not teach or have yogic flying groups in England while Tony 
> Blair was in his second term - I mean if ME is real, wouldn't the Scorpion 
> Nation need it most?
> 
> A full accounting of the finances of the Movement
> 
> An explanation of why few if any Movement projects were ever made manifest 
> 
> What happened to the money that was contributed for the projects that never 
> materialized
> 
> An explanation as to why the leaders of the Movement which espouses peace, 
> bliss and prosperity for all routinely behaved and behave in a manner that 
> showed and continues to show an energy of fear, paranoia and inflexibility.
> 
> Yep, Powerful!
>  
> 
> 
>  From: nablusoss1008 
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:41 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors
>   
> 
> ---  "Jason"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Could it evolution that homo-sapiens have this bizzare 
> > tendency to draw bulls-eye after the arrow has been shot?
> > 
> > Taking credit for "achievements" after the event has 
> > happened. 
> >
--- nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> Ehm, how many Guru Purimah's did you spend with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ?
> 
> At certain celebrations one would place a "wish-note" for Guru Dev in a box 
> in the podium and later, if one so wished, speak out the wish.
> I personally witnessed several (Germans) who wished for an united Germany, 
> this was in the '70s and '80s. Maharishi always said "It will happen". 
> 
> Now, how many of the nitwits in the audience who later left Him,  some even 
> have the nerve to post here claiming to be experts in esoteric matters, 
> believed a word of that ?
> 
> The rest of us simply, with time, witnessed the words of this great Master 
> come through.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Michael Jackson]

Wow! Powerful! 

Wonder how long we have to wait for: 

One or more people to actually levitate 

World peace created in such a way that the entire world wants and begins to 
learn TM since they know it was the Movement that created world peace single 
handed (he predicted that you know)

Statistical proof that entering a building through a south facing entrance 
causes multiple life problems

Proof that England is anymore of a "scorpion nation" for supporting the US in 
Iraq than the US was for being in Iraq

Real proof that the Maharishi Effect actually effects anything except peoples 
emotions

Explanation that if the ME is real, why Maha told the TM teachers in England to 
leave and not teach or have yogic flying groups in England while Tony Blair was 
in his second term - I mean if ME is real, wouldn't the Scorpion Nation need it 
most?

A full accounting of the finances of the Movement

An explanation of why few if any Movement projects were ever made manifest 

What happened to the money that was contributed for the projects that never 
materialized

An explanation as to why the leaders of the Movement which espouses peace, 
bliss and prosperity for all routinely behaved and behave in a manner that 
showed and continues to show an energy of fear, paranoia and inflexibility.

Yep, Powerful!






 From: nablusoss1008 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors
 

  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> 
> Could it evolution that homo-sapiens have this bizzare 
> tendency to draw bulls-eye after the arrow has been shot?
> 
> Taking credit for "achievements" after the event has 
> happened. 

Ehm, how many Guru Purimah's did you spend with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ?

At certain celebrations one would place a "wish-note" for Guru Dev in a box in 
the podium and later, if one so wished, speak out the wish.
I personally witnessed several (Germans) who wished for an united Germany, this 
was in the '70s and '80s. Maharishi always said "It will happen". 

Now, how many of the nitwits in the audience who later left Him,  some even 
have the nerve to post here claiming to be experts in esoteric matters, 
believed a word of that ?

The rest of us simply, with time, witnessed the words of this great Master come 
through.


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Could it evolution that homo-sapiens have this bizzare 
> > tendency to draw bulls-eye after the arrow has been shot?
> > 
> > Taking credit for "achievements" after the event has 
> > happened.  
> 
> 
> Ehm, how many Guru Purimah's did you spend with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ?
> 
> At certain celebrations one would place a "wish-note" for Guru Dev in a box 
> in the podium and later, if one so wished, speak out the wish.
> I personally witnessed several (Germans) who wished for an united Germany, 
> this was in the '70s and '80s. Maharishi always said "It will happen". 
> 
> Now, how many of the nitwits in the audience who later left Him,  some even 
> have the nerve to post here claiming to be experts in esoteric matters, 
> believed a word of that ?
> 
> The rest of us simply, with time, witnessed the words of this great Master 
> come through.
>

Dear Nablusoss, that's a beautiful remembrance of a true time and a movement.  
As meditators even now we are part of a family and as a family we will rise and 
fall together.  In collective consciousness you each made a difference then and 
No matter what you do now or where you'll go we carry the memory of the history 
we made together.   The best is yet to come.  Everyone who can, sit up and 
meditate, stay close together.  There's power and safety in numbers.  Come to 
meditation.
-Buck 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jason"  wrote:
>
> 
> Could it evolution that homo-sapiens have this bizzare 
> tendency to draw bulls-eye after the arrow has been shot?
> 
> Taking credit for "achievements" after the event has 
> happened.  


Ehm, how many Guru Purimah's did you spend with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ?

At certain celebrations one would place a "wish-note" for Guru Dev in a box in 
the podium and later, if one so wished, speak out the wish.
I personally witnessed several (Germans) who wished for an united Germany, this 
was in the '70s and '80s. Maharishi always said "It will happen". 

Now, how many of the nitwits in the audience who later left Him,  some even 
have the nerve to post here claiming to be experts in esoteric matters, 
believed a word of that ?

The rest of us simply, with time, witnessed the words of this great Master come 
through.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Jason]

Could it evolution that homo-sapiens have this bizzare 
tendency to draw bulls-eye after the arrow has been shot?

Taking credit for "achievements" after the event has 
happened.  The collapse of Soviet Union, the withdrawal of 
Russians from afghanistan, a decrease of about 11% in 
violent crimes in Washington, D.C in 1987, improvement in 
Quality of life in Israel in 1988 and so on.

It was inefficiency, corruption and largescale mismanagement 
that led to the collapse of Soviet Union.


> > ---  "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> > >
> > > And, thank *you*, Buck. Without your coherence, I would have surely voted 
> > > for Romney and Burgmeier!
> > >
> > >
---  "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> We are thankful all.  Again, thanks to all of you "first responders" who have 
> joined together to accomplish this great victory in consciousness. It has 
> been heartening to experience during a time when we didn't have the legions 
> of our old numbers we once had of those our veteran meditators supporting 
> consciousness, that meditators across the country and world have taken it 
> upon themselves to mobilize for collective consciousness and coherence.
> Thank you all,
> -Buck the Apostle  
> >
> >  
> > > ---  "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Meditators,
> > > > Thank you to each meditator across the nation and the world for 
> > > > participating in our group meditations at the synchronized times.  This 
> > > > campaign initially announced as continuing up until the national 
> > > > elections of these United States, meditators report that it has been 
> > > > powerful for their own personal experiences and that they are grateful 
> > > > for the profound result of unity experienced in helping the world 
> > > > during these critical days.  A great debt is owed to all those who 
> > > > answered the call for coherence coming forward to sit up in their 
> > > > meditations.  We are grateful as we are humbled,
> > > > -Buck in the Dome  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ---  "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends our campaign is not over, as meditators we will move forward 
> > > > > from our battlefield victory here.  Rest not but consolidate our 
> > > > > gains, secure our lines of supply, concentrate support of all our 
> > > > > allies and all the laws of Nature in to our ranks.  Together we will 
> > > > > be moving forward.  Plan on when you are going to do your next 
> > > > > meditation.  Set a time in your day now.  Picket against that sin 
> > > > > that will draw and take you away from the group and skirmish 
> > > > > aggressively against the counter-attack of all that is spiritually 
> > > > > ignorant in the nay-sayer's sap.  Attend to the group and meditate 
> > > > > with discipline.  Now is not the time to sleep.  Stay alert and stay 
> > > > > close.  This we ask of you and all will be taken care of,
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

Synchronous meditation times for group meditations in each time zone remain the 
same.  In Fairfield we meditate at dawn and at sun's set. Doors open at 7am and 
4pm.  Be there, -Buck in the Dome

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> We are thankful all.  Again, thanks to all of you "first responders" who have 
> joined together to accomplish this great victory in consciousness. It has 
> been heartening to experience during a time when we didn't have the legions 
> of our old numbers we once had of those our veteran meditators supporting 
> consciousness, that meditators across the country and world have taken it 
> upon themselves to mobilize for collective consciousness and coherence.
> Thank you all,
> -Buck  
> 
> >
> > Friends, the campaign is definitely not over. The post-election period is 
> > also expected to be a delicate time. This is why we need to further fortify 
> > consciousness and invite you to continue with Group meditations and 
> > synchronized meditation times for a week beyond election day. Your 
> > contribution of coherence will have a unifying influence in an abiding 
> > unconquerable peaceful consciousness of invincibility and play a major role 
> > in avoiding disputes, disappointments, and frustrations. No matter who the 
> > victor, invincibility for all and good comes from a strong, coherent, 
> > unified collective consciousness—and that is our role in the world.  
> > Mobilize now for collective coherence.
> > -Buck in the Dome 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > And, thank *you*, Buck. Without your coherence, I would have surely voted 
> > > for Romney and Burgmeier!
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Meditators,
> > > > Thank you to each meditator across the nation and the world for 
> > > > participating in our group meditations at the synchronized times.  This 
> > > > campaign initially announced as continuing up until the national 
> > > > elections of these United States, meditators report that it has been 
> > > > powerful for their own personal experiences and that they are grateful 
> > > > for the profound result of unity experienced in helping the world 
> > > > during these critical days.  A great debt is owed to all those who 
> > > > answered the call for coherence coming forward to sit up in their 
> > > > meditations.  We are grateful as we are humbled,
> > > > -Buck in the Dome  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Friends our campaign is not over, as meditators we will move forward 
> > > > > from our battlefield victory here.  Rest not but consolidate our 
> > > > > gains, secure our lines of supply, concentrate support of all our 
> > > > > allies and all the laws of Nature in to our ranks.  Together we will 
> > > > > be moving forward.  Plan on when you are going to do your next 
> > > > > meditation.  Set a time in your day now.  Picket against that sin 
> > > > > that will draw and take you away from the group and skirmish 
> > > > > aggressively against the counter-attack of all that is spiritually 
> > > > > ignorant in the nay-sayer's sap.  Attend to the group and meditate 
> > > > > with discipline.  Now is not the time to sleep.  Stay alert and stay 
> > > > > close.  This we ask of you and all will be taken care of,
> > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

We are thankful all.  Again, thanks to all of you "first responders" who have 
joined together to accomplish this great victory in consciousness. It has been 
heartening to experience during a time when we didn't have the legions of our 
old numbers we once had of those our veteran meditators supporting 
consciousness, that meditators across the country and world have taken it upon 
themselves to mobilize for collective consciousness and coherence.
Thank you all,
-Buck the Apostle 

>
> Friends, the campaign is definitely not over. The post-election period is 
> also expected to be a delicate time. This is why we need to further fortify 
> consciousness and invite you to continue with Group meditations and 
> synchronized meditation times for a week beyond election day. Your 
> contribution of coherence will have a unifying influence in an abiding 
> unconquerable peaceful consciousness of invincibility and play a major role 
> in avoiding disputes, disappointments, and frustrations. No matter who the 
> victor, invincibility for all and good comes from a strong, coherent, unified 
> collective consciousness—and that is our role in the world.  Mobilize now for 
> collective coherence.
> -Buck in the Dome 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > And, thank *you*, Buck. Without your coherence, I would have surely voted 
> > for Romney and Burgmeier!
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Meditators,
> > > Thank you to each meditator across the nation and the world for 
> > > participating in our group meditations at the synchronized times.  This 
> > > campaign initially announced as continuing up until the national 
> > > elections of these United States, meditators report that it has been 
> > > powerful for their own personal experiences and that they are grateful 
> > > for the profound result of unity experienced in helping the world during 
> > > these critical days.  A great debt is owed to all those who answered the 
> > > call for coherence coming forward to sit up in their meditations.  We are 
> > > grateful as we are humbled,
> > > -Buck in the Dome  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Friends our campaign is not over, as meditators we will move forward 
> > > > from our battlefield victory here.  Rest not but consolidate our gains, 
> > > > secure our lines of supply, concentrate support of all our allies and 
> > > > all the laws of Nature in to our ranks.  Together we will be moving 
> > > > forward.  Plan on when you are going to do your next meditation.  Set a 
> > > > time in your day now.  Picket against that sin that will draw and take 
> > > > you away from the group and skirmish aggressively against the 
> > > > counter-attack of all that is spiritually ignorant in the nay-sayer's 
> > > > sap.  Attend to the group and meditate with discipline.  Now is not the 
> > > > time to sleep.  Stay alert and stay close.  This we ask of you and all 
> > > > will be taken care of,
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

Friends, the campaign is definitely not over. The post-election period is also 
expected to be a delicate time. This is why we need to further fortify 
consciousness and invite you to continue with Group meditations and 
synchronized meditation times for a week beyond election day. Your contribution 
of coherence will have a unifying influence in an abiding unconquerable 
peaceful consciousness of invincibility and play a major role in avoiding 
disputes, disappointments, and frustrations. No matter who the victor, 
invincibility for all and good comes from a strong, coherent, unified 
collective consciousness—and that is our role in the world.  Mobilize now for 
collective coherence.
-Buck in the Dome 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> And, thank *you*, Buck. Without your coherence, I would have surely voted for 
> Romney and Burgmeier!
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Dear Meditators,
> > Thank you to each meditator across the nation and the world for 
> > participating in our group meditations at the synchronized times.  This 
> > campaign initially announced as continuing up until the national elections 
> > of these United States, meditators report that it has been powerful for 
> > their own personal experiences and that they are grateful for the profound 
> > result of unity experienced in helping the world during these critical 
> > days.  A great debt is owed to all those who answered the call for 
> > coherence coming forward to sit up in their meditations.  We are grateful 
> > as we are humbled,
> > -Buck in the Dome  
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends our campaign is not over, as meditators we will move forward from 
> > > our battlefield victory here.  Rest not but consolidate our gains, secure 
> > > our lines of supply, concentrate support of all our allies and all the 
> > > laws of Nature in to our ranks.  Together we will be moving forward.  
> > > Plan on when you are going to do your next meditation.  Set a time in 
> > > your day now.  Picket against that sin that will draw and take you away 
> > > from the group and skirmish aggressively against the counter-attack of 
> > > all that is spiritually ignorant in the nay-sayer's sap.  Attend to the 
> > > group and meditate with discipline.  Now is not the time to sleep.  Stay 
> > > alert and stay close.  This we ask of you and all will be taken care of,
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Alex Stanley]

And, thank *you*, Buck. Without your coherence, I would have surely voted for 
Romney and Burgmeier!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Dear Meditators,
> Thank you to each meditator across the nation and the world for participating 
> in our group meditations at the synchronized times.  This campaign initially 
> announced as continuing up until the national elections of these United 
> States, meditators report that it has been powerful for their own personal 
> experiences and that they are grateful for the profound result of unity 
> experienced in helping the world during these critical days.  A great debt is 
> owed to all those who answered the call for coherence coming forward to sit 
> up in their meditations.  We are grateful as we are humbled,
> -Buck in the Dome  
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Friends our campaign is not over, as meditators we will move forward from 
> > our battlefield victory here.  Rest not but consolidate our gains, secure 
> > our lines of supply, concentrate support of all our allies and all the laws 
> > of Nature in to our ranks.  Together we will be moving forward.  Plan on 
> > when you are going to do your next meditation.  Set a time in your day now. 
> >  Picket against that sin that will draw and take you away from the group 
> > and skirmish aggressively against the counter-attack of all that is 
> > spiritually ignorant in the nay-sayer's sap.  Attend to the group and 
> > meditate with discipline.  Now is not the time to sleep.  Stay alert and 
> > stay close.  This we ask of you and all will be taken care of,
> > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

Dear Meditators,
Thank you to each meditator across the nation and the world for participating 
in our group meditations at the synchronized times.  This campaign initially 
announced as continuing up until the national elections of these United States, 
meditators report that it has been powerful for their own personal experiences 
and that they are grateful for the profound result of unity experienced in 
helping the world during these critical days.  A great debt is owed to all 
those who answered the call for coherence coming forward to sit up in their 
meditations.  We are grateful as we are humbled,
-Buck in the Dome  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Friends our campaign is not over, as meditators we will move forward from our 
> battlefield victory here.  Rest not but consolidate our gains, secure our 
> lines of supply, concentrate support of all our allies and all the laws of 
> Nature in to our ranks.  Together we will be moving forward.  Plan on when 
> you are going to do your next meditation.  Set a time in your day now.  
> Picket against that sin that will draw and take you away from the group and 
> skirmish aggressively against the counter-attack of all that is spiritually 
> ignorant in the nay-sayer's sap.  Attend to the group and meditate with 
> discipline.  Now is not the time to sleep.  Stay alert and stay close.  This 
> we ask of you and all will be taken care of,
> -Buck in the Dome
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

Friends our campaign is not over, as meditators we will move forward from our 
battlefield victory here.  Rest not but consolidate our gains, secure our lines 
of supply, concentrate support of all our allies and all the laws of Nature in 
to our ranks.  Together we will be moving forward.  Plan on when you are going 
to do your next meditation.  Set a time in your day now.  Picket against that 
sin that will draw and take you away from the group and skirmish aggressively 
against the counter-attack of all that is spiritually ignorant in the 
nay-sayer's sap.  Attend to the group and meditate with discipline.  Now is not 
the time to sleep.  Stay alert and stay close.  This we ask of you and all will 
be taken care of,
-Buck in the Dome


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Friends, it is here.  This Day has come.  Spiritual people, on this 
> > > Election Day rally and come join the group meditation however you can.  
> > > It's mighty important you do this.  Come out, sit up and meditate with 
> > > the large group.  We shall always use more good meditation in the world.  
> > >  As is said, come along, sit the heck up and meditate with us on this 
> > > Tuesday at the Dome.  We could use your coherence.
> > > -Buck, the Apostle  
> > 
> > 
> > It looks like the americans have taken to their senses and elected Obama. 
> > The world can thank the Yogic Flyers for this very wise choice made by the 
> > collective consciousness of this great nation!
> >
> 
> Ineffable, though unforgettable is the work of this meditation.  All glory to 
> the Unified Field in each.  As beseems brave meditation in this world it much 
> beseems the brave soul, uncertain about so many things, to be certain of 
> one's self for one thing.  Our world is not to be put in order.  The world is 
> order.  It is for us to put ourselves in unison with this order.  Go together 
> and Be you in meditation in the morning,  -Buck in the Dome
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Friends, it is here.  This Day has come.  Spiritual people, on this 
> > Election Day rally and come join the group meditation however you can.  
> > It's mighty important you do this.  Come out, sit up and meditate with the 
> > large group.  We shall always use more good meditation in the world.   As 
> > is said, come along, sit the heck up and meditate with us on this Tuesday 
> > at the Dome.  We could use your coherence.
> > -Buck, the Apostle  
> 
> 
> It looks like the americans have taken to their senses and elected Obama. The 
> world can thank the Yogic Flyers for this very wise choice made by the 
> collective consciousness of this great nation!
>

Ineffable, though unforgettable is the work of this meditation.  All glory to 
the Unified Field in each.  As beseems brave meditation in this world it much 
beseems the brave soul, uncertain about so many things, to be certain of one's 
self for one thing.  Our world is not to be put in order.  The world is order.  
It is for us to put ourselves in unison with this order.  Go together and Be 
you in meditation in the morning,  -Buck in the Dome 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> Friends, it is here.  This Day has come.  Spiritual people, on this Election 
> Day rally and come join the group meditation however you can.  It's mighty 
> important you do this.  Come out, sit up and meditate with the large group.  
> We shall always use more good meditation in the world.   As is said, come 
> along, sit the heck up and meditate with us on this Tuesday at the Dome.  We 
> could use your coherence.
> -Buck, the Apostle  


It looks like the americans have taken to their senses and elected Obama. The 
world can thank the Yogic Flyers for this very wise choice made by the 
collective consciousness of this great nation!

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

 meditating at the same 
> > > > > time.  You got your orders,
> > > > > -Buck 
> > > > >  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's more important to meet in the Absolute than in the dome.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Well you might hope that but actually the Science says that 
> > > > > > > proximity as in close-proximity is practically important in the 
> > > > > > > M.E.,  Meditators meditating and numbers of meditators together 
> > > > > > > is what is important here.  Be together on this as close as you 
> > > > > > > can be given all the communal problem with securing valid Dome 
> > > > > > > badges.  Stay close and on time with this.
> > > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:36 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > >    
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Meditating in the Dome parking lot is certainly a viable 
> > > > > > > > alternative to being able to be inside the Domes if you can't 
> > > > > > > > get a badge.  Meditation can be made quite comfortable in your 
> > > > > > > > car outside the Domes.  Carpooling meditation is good too.  Is 
> > > > > > > > proly more important to be at the Domes than being diluted out 
> > > > > > > > and around in outlaying or satellite meditation areas spread 
> > > > > > > > around.
> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Remember on Sat. Nite to set the clock back one hour and on 
> > > > > > > > > Tuesday not to set the country back 50 years.  Meditators, 
> > > > > > > > > remember also that social security benefits will pay for you 
> > > > > > > > > to stay meditating in the Domes in your retirement years.  
> > > > > > > > > Vote your pocket-book on Election Day to help keep the group 
> > > > > > > > > meditation numbers up and sustain the Domes in Fairfield.
> > > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Certainly the science is saying that it is very evident 
> > > > > > > > > > that proximity is important in the super radiance of the 
> > > > > > > > > > Meissner Effect (M.E.) in consciousness.  Come out on 
> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday and help with the large group.Get there early , 
> > > > > > > > > > we expect a large turn out and parking may be limited 
> > > > > > > > > > outside the Domes. 
> > > > > > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Meditating all together on Tuesday, even if you are an 
> > > > > > > > > > > old meditator and your badge is not current or may be you 
> > > > > > > > > > > don't have one, then do plan anyway on being there 
> > > > > > > > > > > meditating at the Domes even out in the parking lot 
> > > > > > > > > > > together with the larger group.  That would be helpful to 
> > > > > > > > > > > the whole. 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[raunchydog]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends, 
> > > "It is not unknown to you, meditators , what disasters have befallen 
> > > here, and, in fact, our embarrassments would be at the insuperable pitch, 
> > > had not your qualities, which have been so often manifested, as meditator 
> > > sons and daughters of our movement. Hardly one among you but has 
> > > distinguished himself by some nobly memorable action: all these services 
> > > to the movement are known well, and we will never forget. 
> > > 
> > > We flatter ourselves, therefore, that in this case too nothing will be 
> > > wanting which the movement has a right to expect of your valor. The hour 
> > > is at hand. I should think we had done nothing, if we left the Field in 
> > > possession of non-meditators and the ill-illumined. Let me apprise you, 
> > > then: we intend, in spite of the Rules of Art and argument of our foes, 
> > > to attack the Princes of inertia and ignorance, which seems everywhere is 
> > > nearly thrice our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of 
> > > their numbers, or the strength of their position: all this, by courage, 
> > > by the skill of our methods and meditation, we will try to make good. 
> > > This step we must risk, or everything is lost. We must beat the enemy, or 
> > > perish all of us before his batteries. So I read the case; so we must 
> > > will and act in it.  Come to Meditation in the Dome. Come at first light 
> > > to the Dome on Election Day to uphold the day.  Come join with us and I 
> > > will be personally grateful to each of you.  
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > > 
> > Going to the dome on Election Day counts only if you actually VOTE. >Polls 
> > are open 7 am to 9 pm.
> 
> Ranchy get your dang progressive priorities screwed on right.  If you want to 
> bring about a revolution then go to the Domes first with the large group to 
> meditate before you vote. You'll be out in the dog house if you just 
> dissuaded any one number from the Dome group meditation tomorrow with this 
> git out the vote enthusiasm.  Don't let no voting git in the way of first 
> getting to the Domes to meditate.  You're either with us meditating in the 
> Domes or you know what, all incoherence will break loose and it will be your 
> faoult.
> -Buck
> 
Well, Buck going to the dome on Election Day is just fine by me. In fact, I 
didn't say anything to the contrary. I just thought I'd state the obvious for 
the sake of the oblivious that voting doesn't magically happen if one doesn't 
actually VOTE. We are working three-hour shifts for GOTV at HQ. Even if you 
only have one or two hours to spare, we would greatly appreciate it. Most of 
the 40 volunteers who helped GOTV today were meditators who ALSO went to the 
dome today. Just goes to show ya, folks who live 200% of life can spit and chew 
gum at the same time. Jefferson County is going blue because we have a 
well-informed community of progressive meditators and thank goodness for that.  
>
> >
> Help Get Out the Vote. We are canvassing and phone banking until 9:00 pm 
> tonight and from 9 am to 9 pm Election Day. Call Tara Metts, OFA Coordinator 
> at Jefferson County HQ to help GOTV 515-306-1298. It's exactly what Mitt 
> Romney doesn't want you to do. Republicans are doing everything they can to 
> suppress the vote. If you have any trouble voting at the polls tomorrow, call 
> the Election Protection Hotline 855-868-3174. Find your precinct at 
> https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/caprecinct
> > 
> > http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12434-beyond-the-dead-end-of-american-electoral-politics-rethinking-the-crisis-of-politics
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Buck  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> You've slept enough...
>

LOL..this is hilarious Buck baby, you are the spiritual slut sleeping with
everyone and spamming us with all your paranoid, delusional, fantasized
posts on your faithfulness to TM.




> Tat Walla Baba and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, two sages of the later 20th
> Century. The two saints met along with some student meditators. A student
> then asked a question of the yogi Tat Walla Baba, "Do you sleep?" Maharishi
> translated the question and Tat Walla Baba answered a reply and the two
> sages just laughed and laughed with peels of laughter that went on. The
> answer translated, "What would the world do if I slept?".
>
> Come to the Dome on Election Day , sit up and meditate for the world.
> -Buck in the Dome
> >
> > Meditating at the Domes, plan now on helping with the large meditation
> number on Tuesday. Each one helps. Get there early. Likewise Plan for large
> turn outs at the Domes and plan also that parking in the parking lots will
> be extra over-crowded outside the Domes. Please be orderly and timely.
> > -Buck
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > It is not unknown to you, meditators , what disasters have befallen
> here, and, in fact, our embarrassments would be at the insuperable pitch,
> had not your qualities, which have been so often manifested, as meditator
> sons and daughters of our movement. Hardly one among you but has
> distinguished himself by some nobly memorable action: all these services to
> the movement are known well, and we will never forget.
> > > >
> > > > We flatter ourselves, therefore, that in this case too nothing will
> be wanting which the movement has a right to expect of your valor. The hour
> is at hand. I should think we had done nothing, if we left the Field in
> possession of non-meditators and the ill-illumined. Let me apprise you,
> then: we intend, in spite of the Rules of Art and argument of our foes, to
> attack the Princes of inertia and ignorance, which seems everywhere is
> nearly thrice our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of
> their numbers, or the strength of their position: all this, by courage, by
> the skill of our methods and meditation, we will try to make good. This
> step we must risk, or everything is lost. We must beat the enemy, or perish
> all of us before his batteries. So I read the case; so we must will and act
> in it. Come to Meditation in the Dome. Come at first light to the Dome on
> Election Day to uphold the day. Come join with us and I will be personally
> grateful to each of you.
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Science seems to indicate that it would certainly be more
> helpful to the whole effect if the people out in Maharishi Vedic City would
> come to the Domes to meditate on Super Radiance Tuesday too.
> > > > > >
> > >
> > > Yes those people out in Maharishi Vedic City who want to do their
> exclusive thing, it's kind of embarrassing and shameful knowing what we do
> that people who could come to the Domes to meditate would not. That is just
> so small.
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's true. The thing here is that this is massively clear in the
> Science that it shall be practically more powerful and helpful done in
> proximity by orders of magnitude in effect if those people out in Maharishi
> Vedic City would come join the larger group meditation in the Domes
> tomorrow on Election Day. And then also anybody who does not have a Dome
> badge but who could do it should come up to the Dome parking lots to
> meditate. Of course anybody else out in their populations should be
> elementally helpful meditating at the same time. You got your orders,
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon 
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's more important to meet in the Absolute than in the dome.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well you might hope that but actually the Science says that
> proximity as in close-proximity is practically important in the M.E.,
> Meditators meditating and numbers of meditators together is what is
> important here. Be together on this as close as you can be given all the
> communal problem with securing valid Dome badges. Stay clo

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

You've slept enough...

Tat Walla Baba and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, two sages of the later 20th Century.  
The two saints met along with some student meditators.  A student then asked a 
question of the yogi Tat Walla Baba, "Do you sleep?"  Maharishi translated the 
question and Tat Walla Baba answered a reply and the two sages just laughed and 
laughed with peels of laughter that went on.  The answer translated, "What 
would the world do if I slept?".

Come to the Dome on Election Day , sit up and meditate for the world. 
-Buck in the Dome
>
> Meditating at the Domes, plan now on helping with the large meditation number 
> on Tuesday.  Each one helps.  Get there early.   Likewise Plan for large turn 
> outs at the Domes and plan also that parking in the parking lots will be 
> extra over-crowded outside the Domes.  Please be orderly and timely.
> -Buck
> 
> >
> > >
> > > Friends, 
> > > It is not unknown to you, meditators , what disasters have befallen here, 
> > > and, in fact, our embarrassments would be at the insuperable pitch, had 
> > > not your qualities, which have been so often manifested, as meditator 
> > > sons and daughters of our movement. Hardly one among you but has 
> > > distinguished himself by some nobly memorable action: all these services 
> > > to the movement are known well, and we will never forget. 
> > > 
> > > We flatter ourselves, therefore, that in this case too nothing will be 
> > > wanting which the movement has a right to expect of your valor. The hour 
> > > is at hand. I should think we had done nothing, if we left the Field in 
> > > possession of non-meditators and the ill-illumined. Let me apprise you, 
> > > then: we intend, in spite of the Rules of Art and argument of our foes, 
> > > to attack the Princes of inertia and ignorance, which seems everywhere is 
> > > nearly thrice our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of 
> > > their numbers, or the strength of their position: all this, by courage, 
> > > by the skill of our methods and meditation, we will try to make good. 
> > > This step we must risk, or everything is lost. We must beat the enemy, or 
> > > perish all of us before his batteries. So I read the case; so we must 
> > > will and act in it.  Come to Meditation in the Dome. Come at first light 
> > > to the Dome on Election Day to uphold the day.  Come join with us and I 
> > > will be personally grateful to each of you.  
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Science seems to indicate that it would certainly be more helpful 
> > > > > to the whole effect if the people out in Maharishi Vedic City would 
> > > > > come to the Domes to meditate on Super Radiance Tuesday too.  
> > > > >
> > 
> > Yes those people out in Maharishi Vedic City who want to do their exclusive 
> > thing, it's kind of embarrassing and shameful knowing what we do that 
> > people who could come to the Domes to meditate would not.  That is just so 
> > small.   
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > It's true.  The thing here is that this is massively clear in the 
> > > > Science that it shall be practically more powerful and helpful done in 
> > > > proximity by orders of magnitude in effect if those people out in 
> > > > Maharishi Vedic City would come join the larger group meditation in the 
> > > > Domes tomorrow on Election Day.  And then also anybody who does not 
> > > > have a Dome badge but who could do it should come up to the Dome 
> > > > parking lots to meditate.  Of course anybody else out in their 
> > > > populations should be elementally helpful meditating at the same time.  
> > > > You got your orders,
> > > > -Buck 
> > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's more important to meet in the Absolute than in the dome.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well you might hope that but actually the Science says that 
> > > > > > proximity as in close-proximity is practically important in the 
> > > > > > M.E.,  Meditators meditating and numbers of meditators together is 
> > > > > > what is important here.  Be together on this as close as you can be 

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

Meditating at the Domes, plan now on helping with the large meditation number 
on Tuesday.  Each one helps.  Get there early.   Likewise Plan for large turn 
outs at the Domes and plan also that parking in the parking lots will be extra 
over-crowded outside the Domes.  Please be orderly and timely.
-Buck

>
> >
> > Friends, 
> > It is not unknown to you, meditators , what disasters have befallen here, 
> > and, in fact, our embarrassments would be at the insuperable pitch, had not 
> > your qualities, which have been so often manifested, as meditator sons and 
> > daughters of our movement. Hardly one among you but has distinguished 
> > himself by some nobly memorable action: all these services to the movement 
> > are known well, and we will never forget. 
> > 
> > We flatter ourselves, therefore, that in this case too nothing will be 
> > wanting which the movement has a right to expect of your valor. The hour is 
> > at hand. I should think we had done nothing, if we left the Field in 
> > possession of non-meditators and the ill-illumined. Let me apprise you, 
> > then: we intend, in spite of the Rules of Art and argument of our foes, to 
> > attack the Princes of inertia and ignorance, which seems everywhere is 
> > nearly thrice our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of 
> > their numbers, or the strength of their position: all this, by courage, by 
> > the skill of our methods and meditation, we will try to make good. This 
> > step we must risk, or everything is lost. We must beat the enemy, or perish 
> > all of us before his batteries. So I read the case; so we must will and act 
> > in it.  Come to Meditation in the Dome. Come at first light to the Dome on 
> > Election Day to uphold the day.  Come join with us and I will be personally 
> > grateful to each of you.  
> > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > The Science seems to indicate that it would certainly be more helpful 
> > > > to the whole effect if the people out in Maharishi Vedic City would 
> > > > come to the Domes to meditate on Super Radiance Tuesday too.  
> > > >
> 
> Yes those people out in Maharishi Vedic City who want to do their exclusive 
> thing, it's kind of embarrassing and shameful knowing what we do that people 
> who could come to the Domes to meditate would not.  That is just so small.   
> 
> > > 
> > > It's true.  The thing here is that this is massively clear in the Science 
> > > that it shall be practically more powerful and helpful done in proximity 
> > > by orders of magnitude in effect if those people out in Maharishi Vedic 
> > > City would come join the larger group meditation in the Domes tomorrow on 
> > > Election Day.  And then also anybody who does not have a Dome badge but 
> > > who could do it should come up to the Dome parking lots to meditate.  Of 
> > > course anybody else out in their populations should be elementally 
> > > helpful meditating at the same time.  You got your orders,
> > > -Buck 
> > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's more important to meet in the Absolute than in the dome.
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well you might hope that but actually the Science says that proximity 
> > > > > as in close-proximity is practically important in the M.E.,  
> > > > > Meditators meditating and numbers of meditators together is what is 
> > > > > important here.  Be together on this as close as you can be given all 
> > > > > the communal problem with securing valid Dome badges.  Stay close and 
> > > > > on time with this.
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  From: Buck 
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:36 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  
> > > > > >    
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Meditating in the Dome parking lot is certainly a viable 
> > > > > > alternative to being able to be inside the Domes if you can't get a 
> > > > > > bad

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[awoelflebater]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Friends, 
> > > "It is not unknown to you, meditators , what disasters have befallen 
> > > here, and, in fact, our embarrassments would be at the insuperable pitch, 
> > > had not your qualities, which have been so often manifested, as meditator 
> > > sons and daughters of our movement. Hardly one among you but has 
> > > distinguished himself by some nobly memorable action: all these services 
> > > to the movement are known well, and we will never forget. 
> > > 
> > > We flatter ourselves, therefore, that in this case too nothing will be 
> > > wanting which the movement has a right to expect of your valor. The hour 
> > > is at hand. I should think we had done nothing, if we left the Field in 
> > > possession of non-meditators and the ill-illumined. Let me apprise you, 
> > > then: we intend, in spite of the Rules of Art and argument of our foes, 
> > > to attack the Princes of inertia and ignorance, which seems everywhere is 
> > > nearly thrice our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of 
> > > their numbers, or the strength of their position: all this, by courage, 
> > > by the skill of our methods and meditation, we will try to make good. 
> > > This step we must risk, or everything is lost. We must beat the enemy, or 
> > > perish all of us before his batteries. So I read the case; so we must 
> > > will and act in it.  Come to Meditation in the Dome. Come at first light 
> > > to the Dome on Election Day to uphold the day.  Come join with us and I 
> > > will be personally grateful to each of you.  
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > 
> > > 
> > Going to the dome on Election Day counts only if you actually VOTE. >Polls 
> > are open 7 am to 9 pm.
> 
> Ranchy get your dang progressive priorities screwed on right.  If you want to 
> bring about a revolution then go to the Domes first with the large group to 
> meditate before you vote. You'll be out in the dog house if you just 
> dissuaded any one number from the Dome group meditation tomorrow with this 
> git out the vote enthusiasm.  Don't let no voting git in the way of first 
> getting to the Domes to meditate.  You're either with us meditating in the 
> Domes or you know what, all incoherence will break loose and it will be your 
> faoult.

See it is happening already, look at that word "faoult", the world is about to 
end due to incoherence, on your part Buck.
> -Buck
> 
>
> >
> Help Get Out the Vote. We are canvassing and phone banking until 9:00 pm 
> tonight and from 9 am to 9 pm Election Day. Call Tara Metts, OFA Coordinator 
> at Jefferson County HQ to help GOTV 515-306-1298. It's exactly what Mitt 
> Romney doesn't want you to do. Republicans are doing everything they can to 
> suppress the vote. If you have any trouble voting at the polls tomorrow, call 
> the Election Protection Hotline 855-868-3174. Find your precinct at 
> https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/caprecinct
> > 
> > http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12434-beyond-the-dead-end-of-american-electoral-politics-rethinking-the-crisis-of-politics
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Rumors

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > Friends, 
> > "It is not unknown to you, meditators , what disasters have befallen here, 
> > and, in fact, our embarrassments would be at the insuperable pitch, had not 
> > your qualities, which have been so often manifested, as meditator sons and 
> > daughters of our movement. Hardly one among you but has distinguished 
> > himself by some nobly memorable action: all these services to the movement 
> > are known well, and we will never forget. 
> > 
> > We flatter ourselves, therefore, that in this case too nothing will be 
> > wanting which the movement has a right to expect of your valor. The hour is 
> > at hand. I should think we had done nothing, if we left the Field in 
> > possession of non-meditators and the ill-illumined. Let me apprise you, 
> > then: we intend, in spite of the Rules of Art and argument of our foes, to 
> > attack the Princes of inertia and ignorance, which seems everywhere is 
> > nearly thrice our strength, wherever we find it. The question is not of 
> > their numbers, or the strength of their position: all this, by courage, by 
> > the skill of our methods and meditation, we will try to make good. This 
> > step we must risk, or everything is lost. We must beat the enemy, or perish 
> > all of us before his batteries. So I read the case; so we must will and act 
> > in it.  Come to Meditation in the Dome. Come at first light to the Dome on 
> > Election Day to uphold the day.  Come join with us and I will be personally 
> > grateful to each of you.  
> > -Buck in the Dome
> > 
> > 
> Going to the dome on Election Day counts only if you actually VOTE. >Polls 
> are open 7 am to 9 pm.

Ranchy get your dang progressive priorities screwed on right.  If you want to 
bring about a revolution then go to the Domes first with the large group to 
meditate before you vote. You'll be out in the dog house if you just dissuaded 
any one number from the Dome group meditation tomorrow with this git out the 
vote enthusiasm.  Don't let no voting git in the way of first getting to the 
Domes to meditate.  You're either with us meditating in the Domes or you know 
what, all incoherence will break loose and it will be your faoult.
-Buck

   
>
Help Get Out the Vote. We are canvassing and phone banking until 9:00 pm 
tonight and from 9 am to 9 pm Election Day. Call Tara Metts, OFA Coordinator at 
Jefferson County HQ to help GOTV 515-306-1298. It's exactly what Mitt Romney 
doesn't want you to do. Republicans are doing everything they can to suppress 
the vote. If you have any trouble voting at the polls tomorrow, call the 
Election Protection Hotline 855-868-3174. Find your precinct at 
https://my.barackobama.com/page/s/caprecinct
> 
> http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/12434-beyond-the-dead-end-of-american-electoral-politics-rethinking-the-crisis-of-politics
>