Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Hi, Are we talking about something like this? http://vidagdha.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/programming_in_marathi/ IIRC, one of my friend Somesh (http://guruvision.in) had written complete C programming (I think using turbo C interface) way back in 2001. Check out the news coverage on this page: http://blog.guruvision.in/?page_id=6 I will have to find out if he still has that stuff online somewhere. Regards -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~~ www.sudhanwa.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Sudhanwa wrote: Are we talking about something like this? http://vidagdha.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/programming_in_marathi/ That looks interesting. I had earlier heard of Marathi BASIC http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?1700037039 However, Hindawi is not really just one programming language. We define it as complete in a very programming language sense; i.e. it is completely bootstrappable, or can be written in Hindawi set of languages itself. Hindawi provides assembly, C, lex and yacc. This combination can be used to implement any other programming language. Ref http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/faq.php There are many other factors already mentioned in my mail earlier today Mother tongue based programming languages, please also read that, if you have already not done so. For instance one interesting component of Hindawi is a FOSS replacement of the GIST card, that is completely software based and does not use graphics mode to simulate text mode for Indic scripts. IIRC, one of my friend Somesh (http://guruvision.in) had written complete C programming (I think using turbo C interface) way back in 2001. ... http://blog.guruvision.in/?page_id=6 Again this is very interesting. Please do provide us with more information about this. The Sakaal article is not very detailed. I am interested in knowing what were the results like what all was localised - comments only, or also keywords; could variable names be used in Marathi; if yes then were there any restrictions; what about namespace pollution; could the Marathi C be translated back into traditional C (I assume yes); what was the level of compatibility with exisiting set of libraries? One very important question, that you have yourself mentioned is what is its current state? It will be great if you can convey my questions to Somesh. I believe there will be many others on this list interested in these answers, else I would have preferred to take it offline. Regards, Abhishek Choudhary MSc MA MA BBA Chartered IT Professional(UK) MBCS(UK) MIET(UK) MIEEE SrMCSI Pune, INDIA WWW: http://cognitist.com Email: Affiliations: AAAI, ACM, BCS, CogSci, CSI, IEEE (CS/ComSoc/NNS/RAS/SMCS/VTS), IET, INCOSE, SAE From Assembly to Lisp in your mother tongue http://hindawi.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Sorry for this post, but I do not want to hurt and hindi-wali feelings inside your soft heart. Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Writing English, speaking English and typing C++ code (which has some English keywords) is totally different. Even Kanitkar has some books in Hinglish. hindi bhashi can read them also. As a programmer I know, changing platform and language is not easy. It takes time . But If I have to shift from English keywords to Hindi keywords it will be really tuff and impossible task. A Hindawi-programmer will also feel same problem while shifting to actual language. Even this project is getting FOSS awards also. ? In my view it is not a useful effort and will not make any sense. It may be used as a proof of concept which tell that you can make equivalent Hindi or lets say Telugu keywords for any computer language like C++ or XML. They are just using gcc backend. my single question is when will be become free from cage of ideology? Let me give a very good example -- I have attended 1-2 classes of a course at IITD, the lecturer was a famous artist, He was digitizing some art-work of a village, he was having some illiterate artists --village females . After a small training, those female were having good command in photoshop, and those females made their own terminologies to talk and explain each other for photoshop. In my View Language is not barrier in case of software and software languages. All we (Indians) need is a good training. FOSS activities should be concentrate on content and its quality, rather then such proof of concept projects. Let me very specific to the question Do we really need localization at software and software languages, taking into consideration of Indian progress and total number of common english users. Localization of some software may make sense in some sense but how come it make sense for software language Please do not take it on heart. Guide me, I may be wrong !! -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: narendra sisodiya wrote: Sorry for this post, but I do not want to hurt and hindi-wali feelings inside your soft heart. Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. You might want to download the software and think over it a bit before being so vehement in your comments (you are free to comment though) :) By seeing the flash intro on their web site, I have imagined the complexity in coding in Hindi atleast for me. I do not want to code in Hindi , so why should i download. If you read my mail, I just want to ask, will the coding in Hindi will make any sense. How any hindawi coder and software we have ? is their anything which cannot achieve from the normal coding and hindwai platform coding ?? ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sandeep Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I am not underestimating the efforts but Have you ever attended any policy making meeting ?? I have and I am sick of their ideologistic approaches and statements... I am worring that they will include this in syllabus some day. I intentionally asking , why we indian, try to reinvent/copy the wheel. PS: Is anybody making effort for deriving newton's law in hindi. Coding is a universal language which has english words. -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:36:36 +0530 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. Sorry, but isn't that rather an elitist attitude? You might not have the need, or indeed the ability, to code in Hindi. How about the people who speak only Hindi? Even now, in the so-called globalised and shining India, the majority of primary/econdary school students study in vernacular institutions. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) [...] You assume that your own experience is common everywhere in India. Sorry to burst your bubble, but by the best of estimates, only some 6% of the country speaks English. From your parochial viewpoint, I guess that it is fine, and the other 94% should never need to code software. Or, like Marie Antoinette, maybe we should grandiosely proclaim, Let them learn English. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Sandeep Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I am not underestimating the efforts but Have you ever attended any policy making meeting ?? I have and I am sick of their ideologistic approaches and statements... I am worring that they will include this in syllabus some day. I intentionally asking , why we indian, try to reinvent/copy the wheel. PS: Is anybody making effort for deriving newton's law in hindi. Coding is a universal language which has english words. Narendra, Actually you are asking the wrong question. It should have been Can *someone* code in Hindi? (replacing we by someone) You already know a language and so you can't think of programming it somehow else (Isn't that something we already know? Windows ppl don't want to switch to linux because they already know how to work in windows?) But, what if you were to give this to a person who never studied english? I don't have a single piece of doubt that one can code in hindi. After all, its just keywords right, as you accepted? Don't hindi medium schools teach maths in Hindi? As you yourself said, coding is a universal language, someone here is just replacing the keywords. If a 5th class guy can write maan lo instead of let in his maths problem, then what is stopping him to use similar equivalents of all keywords? No one is reinventing/copying the wheel here, what they are trying is that it is easier for a cycle owner to get a cycle tyre so that he doesn't have to necessarily fit in a motorbike's in there.. -Shantz ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 13:36:36 +0530 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. Sorry, but isn't that rather an elitist attitude? You might not have the need, or indeed the ability, to code in Hindi. How about the people who speak only Hindi? Even now, in the so-called globalised and shining India, the majority of primary/econdary school students study in vernacular institutions. That is what I am saying... Knowing English and coding using English keyworks are different. I was able to code in 1st year of BE when I was not knowing english well. (even now also :P) Today the number of indian who touch the keyboard in some sense have knowledge of basic English, and that much english well sufficient for coding. I wrote in my past mail -- If something needed for indian , then it is the content and tutorial Better to Go for making Hinglish Contents rather then Hindi Software or Hindi Software Language Port One Hindi-wala can contribute in Hindi software, and one Telgu wala can contribute in Telgu software.. English gives us common platfrom. I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) [...] You assume that your own experience is common everywhere in India. Sorry to burst your bubble, but by the best of estimates, only some 6% of the country speaks English. From your parochial viewpoint, I guess that it is fine, and the other 94% should never need to code software. Or, like Marie Antoinette, maybe we should grandiosely proclaim, Let them learn English. Regards, Gora Coding is not difficult . Anyone can write code whithout knowing much English, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not underestimating the efforts but Have you ever attended any policy making meeting ?? I have and I am sick of their ideologistic approaches and statements... I am worring that they will include this in syllabus some day. I intentionally asking , why we indian, try to reinvent/copy the wheel. PS: Is anybody making effort for deriving newton's law in hindi. Coding is a universal language which has english words. Even if this is included in syllabus, will that disable our ability to think logically or code?! I not talking about ideology, politics etc. For me it is important that a language (which happens to be the second most spoken language) advances. Make its presence felt. Think differently. You never know when you will strike gold. As far as Hindawi is concerned, I don't think such an effort has been done anywhere in the world. This surely is a great start. If this can be done, may be Panini's Ashtadhyayi is not that far. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Even if this is included in syllabus, will that disable our ability to think logically or code?! I saying, It will be very difficult to shift from Hindawi to English platform, Why we are putting a one more barrier to Hindi student ?? Canot you do same thing in Hinglish books like Kanitkar, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Let us not undermine somebody's effort. It takes a lot to think out of the box. I'm pretty sure if the Chaudharys did this for European languages they would have got a lot more than they have it now. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ Gora has said correctly. English is the language of a few, he has already given figures. I, being from literature side, have seen the the concerns of Enlish speaking people are quite different from those of Indian languages. Its unfortunate that we have to settle with English as we have almost killed Sanskrit. But the Hindi we use today is not the actual form. The way Hebrew came to life again we should rather work on Sanskrit. Which has strong roots in our glorious past and a lot of valuavle text is available in Sanskrit. Even NASA scientists say that Sanskrit is the best language for computers as well as AI. There is at least one language, Sanskrit, which for the duration of almost 1000 years was a living spoken language with a considerable literature of its own. Besides works of literary value, there was a long philosophical and grammatical tradition that has continued to exist with undiminished vigor until the present century. Among the accomplishments of the grammarians can be reckoned a method for paraphrasing Sanskrit in a manner that is identical not only in essence but in form with current work in Artificial Intelligence. This article demonstrates that a natural language can serve as an artificial language also, and that much work in AI has been reinventing a wheel millenia old. The comparison of the analyses shows that the Sanskrit sentence when rendered into triples matches the analysis arrived at through the application of computer processing. That is surprising, because the form of the Sanskrit sentence is radically different from that of the English. For comparison, the Sanskrit sentence is given here: Maitrah: sauhardyat Devadattaya odanam ghate agnina pacati. http://www.gosai.com/science/sanskrit-nasa.html Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Hi, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:20 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: coding. I wrote in my past mail -- If something needed for indian , then it is the content and tutorial Better to Go for making Hinglish Contents rather then Hindi Software or Hindi Software Language Port Hmm? Hindi software? do you mean, software that has been localised to Hindi or some other language? If so, what is the problem with that? Localisation is a good thing, last time I checked. One Hindi-wala can contribute in Hindi software, and one Telgu wala can contribute in Telgu software.. English gives us common platfrom. But what about the guy in the village deep in -say - West Bengal - who wants to use a kiosk which tells him the current rate of whole sale rice or such. He probably doesn't know English but knows to read Bengali. So he has to learn English so that he gets opportunity to use a service. He obviously has no time to learn English now. He wants to work on his farm instead so that he make a living. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you are missing the point,, Sanskirt is a good language for processing the data and can be used for AI and it is a object oriented language But here we are talking about, hindawi, where we have hindi keywords only, ___ My point was why Hindi, lets escalate to Sanskrit. Is that possible? Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sorry for this post, but I do not want to hurt and hindi-wali feelings inside your soft heart. Just saw this website -- http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/ run the flash intro and see the code snippet in Hindi. Coding structure in Hindi gave a big laugh on my face. I was unable to control myself. I have not downloaded the software But one natural question arise in mind,, *Can we code in Hindi???* My answer is NO, and even if we able to code then also it will be of NO use. Narendra you are completely wrong in judging both the ability and effectiveness of hindi coding and translation work. Yes , we can code and yes it`s hell a lot of money . From my college days i have been very much interested in Language technologies and the plans and the initial research which we have done in past shows well enough that not even putting language technologies in Indian languages is not even feasible, But IMO is the only way today to become next microsoft. Some pointers that i would like to give you to start ! 1. What is the annual turnover language translation and content creation Industry in India ? 2. What is the percentage of people in India with 2nd or 3rd language as English ? (Would like to point that you should go and check authenticity of news of villages working on PC`s efficiently, You would really amazed to know , How these NGO`s make money ;) ) 3. How many young people are there in India with Maths background till there 12th ? (Which is the base according to me for learning any prog language) I do not know , why somebody will run these type of software. Coding in Hindi will be really tuff (at least for me) and more over the worst part may happen on one day when the moronic idealistic and policy maker may introduce computer education of Hindi Coding at junior classes level. Yeah it will be *tuff* for you because u can write and read in English which is easier for you to follow in programming language thus. Writing English, speaking English and typing C++ code (which has some English keywords) is totally different. Even Kanitkar has some books in Hinglish. hindi bhashi can read them also. Exactly, Put a C++ code in front of a English literary student and it will be gibberish for him, Same way putting code in Hindi will not make much difficulty in coding, (I have tried on my own long time back in 2004 and didn`t found it at all difficult) As a programmer I know, changing platform and language is not easy. It takes time . But If I have to shift from English keywords to Hindi keywords it will be really tuff and impossible task. A Hindawi-programmer will also feel same problem while shifting to actual language. As a programmer if you can`t change platform and language easily for studying new language for 10-15 days , Then my friend you really need to go fast and get your basic correct :) Even this project is getting FOSS awards also. ? In my view it is not a useful effort and will not make any sense. It may be used as a proof of concept which tell that you can make equivalent Hindi or lets say Telugu keywords for any computer language like C++ or XML. They are just using gcc backend. Really ?, The last time we discussed this with some google engineers in a ILUGD meet , They were excited to see how chaudhary is actually doing machine translation in backend. my single question is when will be become free from cage of ideology? Lolz, this is not ideology, This is a gap of demand, Hmm, Google for chinese keyboards and you will know what kind of platform and language interface our chinese friends use and what`s the total industry turnover per year. Let me very specific to the question Do we really need localization at software and software languages, taking into consideration of Indian progress and total number of common english users. Localization of some software may make sense in some sense but how come it make sense for software language Whenever you want to make sense of something and want to ask whether this is something feasible for general masses or not, go and take a walk of your colony and try selling stuff in your mind to every person you see. NEVER ever put yourself in customer shoes. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was why Hindi, lets escalate to Sanskrit. Is that possible? Not possible for Sanskrit and Hindi, I will be very happy if it possible. Better to go with world to process. remember we have not invented computer and not computer language. How much effort will needed to translated all documentation and all softwares. Its a impossible task in my view. We can better progress with English. Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
corrected Anyways when I will make a software , I will use unicode to get same functionality for Hindi/Bangla users. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. Don`t top-post please And you completely miss the point, unicode provides a user with a hindi interface to work with, Hindawi provides a interface to a programmer to work with hindi. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:07 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:49 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:41 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point was why Hindi, lets escalate to Sanskrit. Is that possible? Not possible for Sanskrit and Hindi, I will be very happy if it possible. Better to go with world to process. remember we have not invented computer and not computer language. How much effort will needed to translated all documentation and all softwares. Its a impossible task in my view. We can better progress with English. Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! What`s the percentage of this common man out of India population ? Or How many percentage people live in urban areas with any access to english medium school out of india population ? -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. Don`t top-post please And you completely miss the point, unicode provides a user with a hindi interface to work with, Hindawi provides a interface to a programmer to work with hindi. Ya, I am not missing the point. I am not against of software localization. I was saying , I do not require Hindawi to code a hindi software. I will do same with unicode. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Every common men of India* want to *send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Better to go with world to process. remember we have not invented computer and not computer language. How much effort will needed to translated all documentation and all softwares. Its a impossible task in my view. We can better progress with English. Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! That's a pity. If this was the criteria for development, we would have had around 3-4 developed societies in the world. Not only do we kill our good things, we blindly follow what ever is 'English' and we follow it badly. This conversation is headed wrong way, let's stop it. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:17 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:09 PM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Gaurav you start coding with hindi keywords. and let me know when you release code. I will love to read. Anyways when I will make a software in provide use unicode to get same functionality. Don`t top-post please And you completely miss the point, unicode provides a user with a hindi interface to work with, Hindawi provides a interface to a programmer to work with hindi. Ya, I am not missing the point. I am not against of software localization. I was saying , I do not require Hindawi to code a hindi software. I will do same with unicode. Hindawi is not to make *Hindi* software it is to provide hindi speaking *to be* developers a platform for writing program in Hindi -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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I think you are missing the point,, Sanskirt is a good language for processing the data and can be used for AI and it is a object oriented language But here we are talking about, hindawi, where we have hindi keywords only, ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:11:29 +0530 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: corrected Anyways when I will make a software , I will use unicode to get same functionality for Hindi/Bangla users. Um, Hindawi uses Unicode input, and is available for Hindi, Bangla, and Gujrati. http://www.hindawi.in/en_US/faq.php In fact Abhishek is Bengali, and the software worked in Bangla before it did in Hindi. Hate to interrupt a good rant, but you might do the project the courtesy of reading up about it before criticising it. I will admit that I initially had doubts about this project, but am now of the opinion that it is as at least as valid an attempt as any of the localisation work that many of us are doing. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! That's slave mentality. If we see a cowboy we look up, where as if we see a local farmer clad in dhoti kurta we look down. While both are farmers. 1000 years of slavery has done some genetic mutation to us. Unfortunately we are discussing in English. Even if I use English for various other reasons, and I don't say others can't. Valuing our own system and language is not wrong. It rather earns respect. EOD Swapnil ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every common men of India want to send his child in English medium, ask him first !!! That's slave mentality. If we see a cowboy we look up, where as if we see a local farmer clad in dhoti kurta we look down. While both are farmers. 1000 years of slavery has done some genetic mutation to us. Unfortunately we are discussing in English. Even if I use English for various other reasons, and I don't say others can't. Valuing our own system and language is not wrong. It rather earns respect. Won't using hindi betraying mothertongue to a tamilian. We should code in tamil and not hindi. Coding in Hindi is betraying mothertongue, slave mentality ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
while(! is_there_any good_result() ){
keep_the debate_up(keep_impossible_task,fight_with_language_issue);
If (language==English){
coutWe are Indian , we hate Englsih and someday we will code in
Hindi;
}
never_return(0);
}
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Won't using hindi betraying mothertongue to a tamilian. We should code in tamil and not hindi. Coding in Hindi is betraying mothertongue, slave mentality If we can do regional development that would be the best and perfect situation. Let English be common /universal language and there should always be a bridge. I am in favour of regional development. SB ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
I believe Tanveer's point is valid here--- and while Swapnil I appreciate your pride in our motherland, if you were to do programming you will see the gaps in the point you are presenting. Furthermore Swapnil-- if you were a programmer--- then you would see where Tanveer and Narendra are coming from. In certain contexts your argument may be valid (I myself pointed out abt the need to break away from slave mentality some days back)--- but in this context your logic/argument about slave mindset is not valid. Also, I think what Narendra was originally trying to say is: Promoting code in local language solutions can gloss over the fact that logic is universal-- and can lead to balkanization of programming languages-- because of ideologies and political agendas. Is this what you were trying to say Narendra ? Just wondering... Regards, NS On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:24 PM, narendra sisodiya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
while(! is_there_any good_result() ){
keep_the debate_up(keep_impossible_task,fight_with_language_issue);
If (language==English){
coutWe are Indian , we hate Englsih and someday we will code in
Hindi;
}
never_return(0);
}
There kind of discussions are endless and open ended. Its like discussing
what's at the edge of the universe. You may never reach anywhere, but the
journey is worth taking. Life is not about destination (death); life is
about journey (life).
Swapnil
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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Forgive me if m foolish on this part .. but i think ..coding in hindi can be established as a fact if we design a code converter to any primary hll ..such as C. So every keyword in C would then be replaced by it equivalent in hindi ..n the we go on .. eg would be main : shuruat printf: dikhayen int : ank double : duguna etc.. it can be passed on from a block ...n then its C again ..! Amar Akshat On 9/23/08, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Won't using hindi betraying mothertongue to a tamilian. We should code in tamil and not hindi. Coding in Hindi is betraying mothertongue, slave mentality If we can do regional development that would be the best and perfect situation. Let English be common /universal language and there should always be a bridge. I am in favour of regional development. SB ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- V.P , AGE Certified Ethical Hacker, Dept. Of Computer Engineering, Sikkim Manipal Institute Of Tech. Where You See a Feature I See a Flaw.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Tanveer's point is valid here--- and while Swapnil I appreciate your pride in our motherland, if you were to do programming you will see the gaps in the point you are presenting. Furthermore Swapnil-- if you were a programmer--- then you would see where Tanveer and Narendra are coming from. In certain contexts your argument may be valid (I myself pointed out abt the need to break away from slave mentality some days back)--- but in this context your logic/argument about slave mindset is not valid. Also, I think what Narendra was originally trying to say is: Promoting code in local language solutions can gloss over the fact that logic is universal-- and can lead to balkanization of programming languages-- because of ideologies and political agendas. Is this what you were trying to say Narendra ? EXACTLY i am saying,, promoting/writing the code in local language (like with hindi or telgu) is bad. This will increase our gap more. a gap in terms of progress and in terms of collaboration. There is nothing harm in learning basic englsih for coding rather then typing *likho(namaskar dunia);* Just wondering... Regards, NS On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Tanveer Singh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe Tanveer's point is valid here--- and while Swapnil I appreciate your pride in our motherland, if you were to do programming you will see the gaps in the point you are presenting. Furthermore Swapnil-- if you were a programmer--- then you would see where Tanveer and Narendra are coming from. In certain contexts your argument may be valid (I myself pointed out abt the need to break away from slave mentality some days back)--- but in this context your logic/argument about slave mindset is not valid. Also, I think what Narendra was originally trying to say is: Promoting code in local language solutions can gloss over the fact that logic is universal-- and can lead to balkanization of programming languages-- because of ideologies and political agendas. Is this what you were trying to say Narendra ? EXACTLY i am saying,, promoting/writing the code in local language (like with hindi or telgu) is bad. This will increase our gap more. a gap in terms of progress and in terms of collaboration. There is nothing harm in learning basic englsih for coding rather then typing *likho(namaskar dunia);* Why it will harness progress ? , I don`t get the point in any way. Would you mind explaining and with some facts please -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself What is a framework ?, Set of scripts to make coding faster. Ask any experience developer and they tend to stick on their own made framework which they develop in their developing career. Did you tried googling or even researching the economics involved ? And when i am talking of *village* talent , I am not talking one or two , But millions of programmer and i can bet any publication industry will love to put books out of this. Try getting a bigger picture -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself What is a framework ?, Set of scripts to make coding faster. Ask any experience developer and they tend to stick on their own made framework which they develop in their developing career. Did you tried googling or even researching the economics involved ? And when i am talking of *village* talent , I am not talking one or two , But millions of programmer and i can bet any publication industry will love to put books out of this. Try getting a bigger picture If you able to find out a way to produce million such programmer from villages , then tell me know. In that case , It will be easier to code with English keywords.. If you have any idea to make it possible -- Pleaes come forward -- India is waiting for such Leaders. mine case is simple -- in my view , it is not possible then why to put energy over it. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ ││ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org│ ││ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Gaurav Mishra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See you guys are missing some essence behind Hindawi . Hindawi may born of ideology, But to be any project to be successful it need to have real value in the market. There is huge potential with indian language technologies , putting the *village* talent will bring out more cheaper programming talent and can bring such revolution that we haven`t thought of . hahahahahhaha lol Anyhow he has to read English coding books .Are you planning to have hindi programming text books?? If yes then you are producing a big gap for those cheaper villege programmer -- (your term) to learn global programming treads,, For God sake , ask a developer , how many framework we are develpong world wide,, I imagine 20 framework per month on aaverage... How the hell is going to translate all of them then their proper documentation is not availble to English itself What is a framework ?, Set of scripts to make coding faster. Ask any experience developer and they tend to stick on their own made framework which they develop in their developing career. Did you tried googling or even researching the economics involved ? And when i am talking of *village* talent , I am not talking one or two , But millions of programmer and i can bet any publication industry will love to put books out of this. Try getting a bigger picture If you able to find out a way to produce million such programmer from villages , then tell me know. In that case , It will be easier to code with English keywords.. If you have any idea to make it possible -- Pleaes come forward -- India is waiting for such Leaders. mine case is simple -- in my view , it is not possible then why to put energy over it. I have already been a part of UnitedVillages www.unitedvillages.com and very sure this is possible. This is happening and will continue .. register for Govt ICT magazine -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Wow, this thread I have been really entertaining to sit back and watch. But this is growing out to be something which serves no purpose. Here are my few thoughts, though wishing this thread will close soon. The idea of Coding in Native Languages is not new, a lot of people have spoken and may be few even tried one in nook and corners of the world. I even remember a similar topic running in one of the Indian GNU/Linux Mailing List a few years ago. On one side, the idea is so welcomed as the requirement of English knowledge is sometimes felt as a barrier for development as a majority of our population are not that much literate in English. Under such consideration, being able to write code, developer softwares with their own native language is surely a boon. I don't understand, if such a thing is possible, why shouldn't it be welcomed and supported as this can be effectively used to create more desi softwares, solving local problems and requirements, by people who are at the core of the problem or the primary people exposed to it. Scratching ones own itch is better than scratching other's itch. If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindu. Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. I still consider this to be a dream, which is totally not impossible but would be surprised if this happens in my life time. I might still stick to writing EN code, but at least people might write better software if they can do so in their own native language. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Wow, this thread I have been really entertaining to sit back and watch. But this is growing out to be something which serves no purpose. Here are my few thoughts, though wishing this thread will close soon. The idea of Coding in Native Languages is not new, a lot of people have spoken and may be few even tried one in nook and corners of the world. I even remember a similar topic running in one of the Indian GNU/Linux Mailing List a few years ago. On one side, the idea is so welcomed as the requirement of English knowledge is sometimes felt as a barrier for development as a majority of our population are not that much literate in English. Under such consideration, being able to write code, developer softwares with their own native language is surely a boon. I don't understand, if such a thing is possible, why shouldn't it be welcomed and supported as this can be effectively used to create more desi softwares, solving local problems and requirements, by people who are at the core of the problem or the primary people exposed to it. Scratching ones own itch is better than scratching other's itch. If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindi. lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English why you forget about variable names?? If I code in hindi, with hindi vaibles, such as mera_ank that might not make any meaning after translation in Telgu. -- Try such experiment and tell LFY to publish --- Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. I still consider this to be a dream, which is totally not impossible but would be surprised if this happens in my life time. Nope,,, It is impossible to revert time... I might still stick to writing EN code, but at least people might write better software if they can do so in their own native language. When will you guys will agree that a computer language is having its own syntax. saying pyton in hindi is same as saying Newton's law in Hindi like in C++ , if we need to define variable then it will be *int i ;* and in Hindawi it will *purnank aai ;* How does it matter, by a *technical point of view * you are just rebuilding the keywords to make life complex. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Each software is made to scratch a particular itch. Whats your itch may not be another person's. Don't infringe on another person's freedom to scratch his itch in a different way. End of topic. Regards Gajendra ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this thread I have been really entertaining to sit back and watch. But this is growing out to be something which serves no purpose. Here are my few thoughts, though wishing this thread will close soon. The idea of Coding in Native Languages is not new, a lot of people have spoken and may be few even tried one in nook and corners of the world. I even remember a similar topic running in one of the Indian GNU/Linux Mailing List a few years ago. Most of the languges are very close cousin of english so never came across some diff langage code, Would love to see some pointer. If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindu. Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. Nice thoughts, It`s indeed very much possible , Hindawi AFAIk is a wrapper over current compiler . (Hope Abhisek can join in and clarify) , So a universal wrapper which can convert between languages doesn`t seems impossible. -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/23 Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] If such a system is possible and being developed, what might be of concern is how compatible is it with other systems. We, as one amongst the FOSS community, ought to think about developing softwares which can be applied in a wide scope (except in case of specialized softwares targeting a specific group of people). This means, we need to have a facility to code in FOO programming language in BAR native language, but being able to compile this code or transform this code into FOOBAR native language. To put it simply, if A writes a Python code in Hindi, there should be a cross-compiler or such thing which B can use to convert the Python code into Tamil or Malayalam so that people in those languages can improve the code, which A can take back and compile it into Hindu. Here, the concerned Programming Language remains the same Python and hence the programmatic idioms and practices remains the same.Thus, even when people work in their own languages, the code is fully compatible between languages, while the main Programming Language being followed is the same. Very good point and very possible. I hope Abhishek is reading this. (ccing him) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Hi, 2008/9/23 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English Why? It can be in any language, how does that matter? why you forget about variable names?? If I code in hindi, with hindi vaibles, such as mera_ank that might not make any meaning after translation in Telgu. Maybe, thats what Parthan and Gaurav were hinting at. A higher level universal wrapper may help/be needed. Can't you see that as a mathematical problem and needs a solution or probably already has a solution? I am no expert but Natural Language Processing comes to my mind, please correct me if I am wrong. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. Err? You do realise that the Native Language you use to program is US_en. And probably most programming languages do. So what is wrong with using Hindi/Bangla/German/Chinese instead? IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. And isn't logic independent of language. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. Its like saying, Guido diverted a whole generation to code in Python while Matz did the same but in Ruby. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English There are books available for say hindi speaking people to learn say japanese. You don't have to learn English first to learn Japanese. You just don't see the books around 'cause you are present in a market where it probably wouldn't sell much. I still consider this to be a dream, which is totally not impossible but would be surprised if this happens in my life time. Nope,,, It is impossible to revert time... In our lifetime, may be. How about somebody in the future develops a time machine, comes back and teaches me how to make a time machine? I would like this to go on permanent record (as permanent as this archive can be) that I want to learn how to make a time machine if somebody reads this in the future -- I also promise I will do no evil! :D I might still stick to writing EN code, but at least people might write better software if they can do so in their own native language. When will you guys will agree that a computer language is having its own syntax. saying pyton in hindi is same as saying Newton's law in Hindi And because Newton's law was translated in Hindi, we now have a wider people with elementary education. Or do you mean to imply that people who know how things work (without knowing English) do not understand the principles/cannot apply them/or cannot compete for a job with you? like in C++ , if we need to define variable then it will be *int i ;* and in Hindawi it will *purnank aai ;* How does it matter, by a *technical point of view * you are just rebuilding the keywords to make life complex. You are renaming the keywords, yes, but to make life simple for those who learn it. Nobody is asking you to learn it. Narendra, you are not the target audience. I think you are missing this point. Your question (whatever that was, I've lost track now) is still valid, I guess, but you should also realize that teaching English first to do coding is not sensible. As mentioned before, this might just be working as a wrapper. That means, that the code is already being converted to english (forget variable names for now, they are trivial in understanding logic) making it accessible it to a wider community. Think of it this way. There are more people who can learn in India to program. They do so in their native language. Wrappers are available to make it available elsewhere. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. On the contrary, for code _WRITING_, native language is the best way to WRITE. Logic is language independent. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. I don't think the new generation (around you and me) is being asked to learn programming in local languages. This is meant for people who speak certain languages. If you are talking about adoption of such tools at school level, I think we needn't worry much 'cause I think the fight is still on to remove MS Office from CS course in schools? Sharad ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
narendra sisodiya wrote: lol, Its not possible, why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English Indeed, localizing document is not as hard as localizing a programming language itself. And in FOSS, documents are also community contributed and hence people might try to code in Hindi, experiment and write documentation/tutorial/howtos for the same in Hindi. Nope,,, It is impossible to revert time... Hmm? saying pyton in hindi is same as saying Newton's law in Hindi Of course, an if condition makes sense because you know the word if means something a sorta condition. If we can imply the same in Hindi, then why won't it make sense? How does it matter, by a *technical point of view * you are just rebuilding the keywords to make life complex. Whose life? If you feel complex then nobody is compelling you to use it. It is for people to whom it makes more sense than doing something in a language they learn using their native language. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. What language does computer language use. If your PoV is that they do not use English, then you are learning a programming language in some alien meaningless language. When you can do so, why you thing people wont be able to make use of something in their own native language which they can very much understand without external intervention? If you accept they are in English, then when something can be represented in English why not some other language not be used? IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. I will again say, you are diverting new generation to stick/code with local language. We are indeed programmers and we have understood that programming is merely putting logic into action using a tool called programming language. What's at the bottom most core of all programming language is math, or more precisely logic. When you are good in your logical abilities, you become a good programmer. If a programmer understands this fundamental truth, then he wont run away when he is put into a situation that he has to work with a new programming language that he doesn't know till now. As a closing comment, you can be skeptical or even caustic about Coding in Hindi and we respect your freedom to do. But this doesn't give you any freedom to laugh at some one when he/she makes a genuine attempt to make it reality. If you can help, please do, but at least do not laugh at people who are trying to help. Criticism is welcomed, if it is constructive. Pinch of salt and playing delivs advocate is helpful most times, but that doesn't mean you can undermine something which a whole bunch of people think would be beneficial if exists. end-of-my-thoughts. Thank you. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Hi, My thoughts below: --- On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | We are indeed programmers and we have understood that programming is | merely putting logic into action using a tool called programming | language. \-- IMO, most developers comprehend things faster when they get an explanation in their native language, because, it helps them to learn things in a language that is known to them, and which they are comfortable with. This also boosts their confidence levels and brings them to a comfort zone with which they come forward to discuss things in a group discussion, for example, and are more eager to contribute and work along these lines, rather, than being put off on the wrong assumption that they need to speak grammatically correct English to put their words across. But, code written in one language, need to be translated to an intermediate form, that people from other languages can understand and re-use, else, the spirit of FOSS is lost. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Pradeepto Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why you forget about documentation ?? will documentation be in English Why? It can be in any language, how does that matter? why you forget about variable names?? If I code in hindi, with hindi vaibles, such as mera_ank that might not make any meaning after translation in Telgu. Maybe, thats what Parthan and Gaurav were hinting at. A higher level universal wrapper may help/be needed. Can't you see that as a mathematical problem and needs a solution or probably already has a solution? I am no expert but Natural Language Processing comes to my mind, please correct me if I am wrong. I think programming languages are too far away from natural languages and generally have little to do with the English language. The question of coding in specific native languages makes sense only in the context of literate programming. Otherwise programming languages have their own syntax and semantics. writing a code in computer language need some keywords, with logic, native language is not useful for code writing. Err? You do realise that the Native Language you use to program is US_en. And probably most programming languages do. So what is wrong with using Hindi/Bangla/German/Chinese instead? Different cultures have their own idioms, logic and 'general forms of interpretation'. This should mean extension of particular programming languages for those modes of thinking ... or just new programming languages. The syntactic aspect is not so important here. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. And isn't logic independent of language. IMHO, a programmer can easily understand these facts. As I said above that is not the case. It also depends on the number of meta levels that are used to see the logic. Programmers from different cultures will have their own ways of specifying things, representation and coding. The number of cultures that a programming language can accommodate hardly needs to bear upon its syntax. For literate programming languages, there is no room for debate. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
I think programming languages are too far away from natural languages
and generally have little to do with the English language. The
question of coding in specific native languages makes sense only in
the context of literate programming. Otherwise programming languages
have their own syntax and semantics.
I am not a developer, just a writer. But I feel just like English and
Hindi, any programming language is just another language. The primary
goal of any language is communication, and it evolves with time. So,
instead of localization of programming language (what difference does
it make to use some local replacement of {, , $ etc?). Localization
matters when it comes to UI. A farmer who wants to use a MID to know
about price cares if he can see names in his local language, a guy
sitting in small village who only knows Hindi is either way not going
to write a programme. So, I believe, localization is OK in terms of
content, but not in terms of programming language, yes if we can come
out with a new language then its all together different ball game, but
then that would become another programming language for the
programming world, just like Python and Perl, and not a *local*
language.
I hope I have not said anything beyond my understanding. If I did,
then as I said earlier -- I am a writer and not a programmer :-)
Swapnil
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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think programming languages are too far away from natural languages
and generally have little to do with the English language. The
question of coding in specific native languages makes sense only in
the context of literate programming. Otherwise programming languages
have their own syntax and semantics.
I am not a developer, just a writer.
But I feel just like English and
Hindi, any programming language is just another language. The primary
goal of any language is communication, and it evolves with time. So,
instead of localization of programming language (what difference does
it make to use some local replacement of {, , $ etc?). Localization
matters when it comes to UI. A farmer who wants to use a MID to know
about price cares if he can see names in his local language, a guy
sitting in small village who only knows Hindi is either way not going
to write a programme. So, I believe, localization is OK in terms of
content,
In term of content and in term of their turorial,
but not in terms of programming language, yes if we can come
out with a new language then its all together different ball game, but
then that would become another programming language for the
programming world, just like Python and Perl, and not a *local*
language.
Yes, You are getting the point. BigBang of programming has occured many year
before,, We cannot revert or translated whole Internet and Technology to all
50+ local languages of India, So the only Practical and Fast solution is to
go with currect software language and with English.
[ we Indian will try to develop next technology in Hindi or better in
Sanskrit, so we can force rest of the world to follow us ]
I hope I have not said anything beyond my understanding. If I did,
then as I said earlier -- I am a writer and not a programmer :-)
Swapnil
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Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Yes, You are getting the point. BigBang of programming has occured many year before,, We cannot revert or translated whole Internet and Technology to all 50+ local languages of India, So the only Practical and Fast solution is to go with currect software language and with English. [ we Indian will try to develop next technology in Hindi or better in Sanskrit, so we can force rest of the world to follow us ] Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. EXACTLY -- 100% upto the point and very practical thought. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. EXACTLY -- 100% upto the point and very practical thought. WOAH - is the only word I can utter.. Please everyone, stop replying to this thread now, because I think if there was even a semblance of hope left to reason this out, it is extinguished now by the most brilliant remark I've ever seen in my life so far...(Narendra, just so you understand, this sentence was meant to be sarcastic) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
Hi, On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. EXACTLY -- 100% upto the point and very practical thought. How and why is that practical? Do you really mean that? We have very ancient texts and proven knowledge on Maths, Science, Medicine, Astronomy, Literature all written in Sanskrit, Pali, and other languages. Those were not practical? Last I checked, we are still using Zero, and Ayurveda among other things. Those were taught in native language during those times, btw. And we didn't have english medium schools then and for a long time until then. Probably not until sometime in/and around 1700s or even later. Cheers! Pradeepto -- The KDE Project : http://www.kde.org KDE India : http://www.kde.in Mailing List : http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 narendra sisodiya writes: Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. EXACTLY -- 100% upto the point and very practical thought. And this implies, that you're ready to unlearn English variants of Pythagoras Theorem, Geometry, and Trignometry (in case you know what are they). And you should simply start learning them in the original Greek form :). I'm saying this because I assumed you studied Maths from non-Greek text. All the best Ashish - -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ·-- ·- ·--- ·- ···- ·- ·--·-· --· -- ·- ·· ·-·· ·-·-·- -·-· --- -- % dig +short cname cdac.in @::1 ms.gov.in -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjZPYkACgkQHy+EEHYuXnRr6wCgvNCpT2WKvmHe+9FERXk/Xiso jYUAnjT1Av/xAwlgIiX/dc7AEKXOcvX2 =5F4Q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. For me it is very difficult to understand humor and hidden comments. The way I took your thought in simple englsih is following,, *I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should promote teaching maths, physics, chemistry in English medium because most of the content available for these subjects is available as good English text book, even the text is available in local language , any how they are going to learn or use English in graduation or post graduation time.* I was not saying exactly this in all schools. I was trying to make a anology between this to software. Anyways we went out of track,, lets not talk on math and these things,,, only software EXACTLY -- 100% upto the point and very practical thought. WOAH - is the only word I can utter.. Please everyone, stop replying to this thread now, because I think if there was even a semblance of hope left to reason this out, it is extinguished now by the most brilliant remark I've ever seen in my life so far...(Narendra, just so you understand, this sentence was meant to be sarcastic) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should promote teaching maths, physics, chemistry in English medium because most of the content available for these subjects is available as good English text book, even the text is available in local language , any how they are going to learn or use English in graduation or post graduation time. -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ │ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ │ │ └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल wahjava.ml@ gmail.com wrote: And this implies, that you're ready to unlearn English variants of Pythagoras Theorem, Geometry, and Trignometry (in case you know what are Nope -- I still have some logic and brain left in my mind. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
2008/9/24 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM, narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Narendra, I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should stop teaching maths, physics, chemistry etc to anyone in non-english medium schools because anyways most of the content available for these subjects is not available in their local language.. For me it is very difficult to understand humor and hidden comments. The way I took your thought in simple englsih is following,, *I think that you just concluded something (on similar lines) to we should promote teaching maths, physics, chemistry in English medium because most of the content available for these subjects is available as good English text book, even the text is available in local language , any how they are going to learn or use English in graduation or post graduation time.* I was not saying exactly this in all schools. I was trying to make a anology between this to software. Anyways we went out of track,, lets not talk on math and these things,,, only software You, my friend, just made the case that you should have never studied maths, physics, chemistry (or software, by analogy). :P Please read through your sentence again and you'll understand what I mean. Anyways, no more food for u now..mustcontrol...gaahhh -Shantz ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Can we code in Hindi ??
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:16 AM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways, no more food for u now..mustcontrol...gaahhh That reminds me: http://donotfeedtheenergybeast.com/ Kind Regards Nandeep ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
