[lace] Using Zoom for lace teaching
I have been using Zoom for teaching lace classes for quite a few weeks now, trying to work out what was best for both myself and my students, not easy when we all had different combinations of desktop/laptop computers and/or mac/android devices. With the help of David (DH) I’ve now mounted a couple of guides to using Zoom for lace and textile teaching, one for tutors, the other for students, which you can find on my website at https://www.jeanleader.net/teaching/resources.html I’d love to know if you find them useful and whether you have any suggestions for changes. Jean in chilly, damp Glasgow - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] teaching left-handers
Hi Elena Re: teaching a left-hander Being a left-hander, or as my father always put it âa southpawâ, I frequently have to change hands. When this happens I make the movements left-handed, watch myself making them and write down what I do. Then I change the words left and right and work the technique right handed following my instructions. For difficult processes I have even recorded myself talking my way through them, transcribing and then changing lefts and rights. Hope all goes well Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] teaching
Well done Liz. Even though your student took a long time learning to make her lace Iâm sure she values her ability to make it and will always remember you with gratitude for the way you would repeatedly go over the same points. Thatâs teaching and learning. Happy lacemaking to you both Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] teaching
Thank you Noelen. As always, you have it exactly right. Happy lacemaking Alex -Original Message- From: Noelene Lafferty Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 11:02 PM To: 'Alex Stillwell' ; 'Arachne reply' Subject: RE: [lace] teaching Thanks for that line Teaching is teaching Alex, it prompted me to start writing again. Teaching Lacemaking. Teaching is just teaching Whatever subject might be sought But if you become a teacher By your pupils you'll be taught. Take the task of teaching Lacemaking from the start You'll find yourself presented With new ideas to take to heart. Why are there two twists there? Why can't you work uphill? Why don't my pairs remain the same? Why is my fan a frill? So then you have to puzzle Work out the reason why. And not just do it without thought 'Cause it's pleasing to the eye. And the pleasure gained in teaching Passing on this noble art Is worth the time and effort And gladdens every heart. Noelene at The Angle noel...@lafferty.com.au Teaching is teaching, whatever the subject. . Happy lacemaking and teaching Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] teaching
Hi Jenny and CLay Teaching is teaching, whatever the subject. Some people do not have time to work on their lace during the week and we do not know their commitments. By all means encourage lacemaking between classes, in the early stages some do not have the confidence to work on their own. I once had a class of 14 new lacemakers. By the end of four months one was tailing behind and feeling despondent because she was slow and as time went on she did not speed up but - a couple of years later she came first in her section at the Essex Handicrafts Exhibition, and it was a big class. Some lacemakers take longer to learn than others, but time is not of the essence and learning slowly does not mean the student is less able. If you feel the slower lacemaker is comparing herself unfavourable with the other one try moving her to a different type of lace. I usually start by teaching torchon, but there are some who find it particularly difficult, in which case I switch to Bedfordshire, starting with small motifs of the coaster size. It works. Happy lacemaking and teaching Alex -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:15 AM To: Jenny Brandis Cc: Alex Stillwell ; The Lacebee Subject: Re: [lace] teaching Hmmm... Replying to a few I am teaching my first (2) students, and they are bright and eager. One has more troubles than the other. Today, they both had more problems than usual, and both confessed that they had not put a hand to the pillow since last class. My advice was that they should go home, make more lace if time permits, and then sleep on it. But I insisted that they should go back to their pillow tomorrow, and the lesson learned would be there. I don't want to be hard-core, demanding X number of hours of work each week, but I have told them that the sooner they use information learned each week, the better it will serve them. Have you any other good suggestions? Thanks! Clay Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA, USA Sent from my iPad On Apr 29, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au wrote: If I have answered the same question over five times then the problem is that I have not answered in a way that that particular student can understand, not that she has not tried to understand. Keeping on asking means that she wants to understand and I have to keep on looking for another way to give her the answer. We get there in the end. This is so true, I have found when I am teaching, (computer usage or a hand craft) that your statements hold true as well. Regards Jenny Brandis Brookdale, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] teaching
Hi fellow Arachnids, As a retired geography teacher and a lace teacher for more years than I care to remember (and having taught several other subjects as well during my working life) I love this poem Noelene. I wholeheartedly agree with Alex and Noelene. Happy lace making, Joepie, East Sussex, UK, where the skies are grey again. From: Noelene Lafferty Sent: âThursdayâ, â30â âAprilâ â2015 â23â:â08 To: Alex Stillwell, Lace Arachne Thanks for that line Teaching is teaching Alex, it prompted me to start writing again. Teaching Lacemaking. Teaching is just teaching Whatever subject might be sought But if you become a teacher By your pupils you'll be taught. Take the task of teaching Lacemaking from the start You'll find yourself presented With new ideas to take to heart. Why are there two twists there? Why can't you work uphill? Why don't my pairs remain the same? Why is my fan a frill? So then you have to puzzle Work out the reason why. And not just do it without thought 'Cause it's pleasing to the eye. And the pleasure gained in teaching Passing on this noble art Is worth the time and effort And gladdens every heart. Noelene at The Angle noel...@lafferty.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching
I had a student once, who started out saying she had a learning problem, so could not go in a regular class. I taught her one-on-one at home, and she had to do each lesson for about 3 classes, before she 'caught on'. However we worked away slowly, - and eventually by the end of 6 months or more, - she wound up teaching her (grown up) daughter how to make lace! She was So happy that I had taken the time to go over and over the same thing , and got her to understand what was what, as she loved lace, and so wanted to learn the craft. She moved away later on, and I lost contact, but she was so happy to make lace - albeit simple lace edges! As to bobbins being all the same - Not on my pillows!! I started out with plastic bobbins bought at Braggins, in Bedford, in the 1970's when I visited Family in England, and I could only afford plastic beads, threaded on some ()used) fishing line - and they are still like that, and still used regularly. Only one spangle has ever broken, in all this time, too!!! I have managed to buy nicer, prettier bobbins with pretty spangles, but I use whatever comes to hand and is not in use on another pillow! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] teaching
It's still April 30 here in the US, also our National Poem in your Pocket day! I just printed this out and put it in the drawer of my roller pillow. Thank you for your writing Noelene!!! As Always,Laura SandisonNew Mexico, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] teaching
Absolutely spot of Noelene. Hugs Jenny B -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of Noelene Lafferty Sent: Friday, 1 May 2015 6:03 AM To: 'Alex Stillwell'; 'Arachne reply' Subject: RE: [lace] teaching Thanks for that line Teaching is teaching Alex, it prompted me to start writing again. Teaching Lacemaking. Teaching is just teaching Whatever subject might be sought But if you become a teacher By your pupils you'll be taught. Take the task of teaching Lacemaking from the start You'll find yourself presented With new ideas to take to heart. Why are there two twists there? Why can't you work uphill? Why don't my pairs remain the same? Why is my fan a frill? So then you have to puzzle Work out the reason why. And not just do it without thought 'Cause it's pleasing to the eye. And the pleasure gained in teaching Passing on this noble art Is worth the time and effort And gladdens every heart. Noelene at The Angle noel...@lafferty.com.au Teaching is teaching, whatever the subject. . Happy lacemaking and teaching Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4339/9668 - Release Date: 04/30/15 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] teaching
Thanks for that line Teaching is teaching Alex, it prompted me to start writing again. Teaching Lacemaking. Teaching is just teaching Whatever subject might be sought But if you become a teacher By your pupils you'll be taught. Take the task of teaching Lacemaking from the start You'll find yourself presented With new ideas to take to heart. Why are there two twists there? Why can't you work uphill? Why don't my pairs remain the same? Why is my fan a frill? So then you have to puzzle Work out the reason why. And not just do it without thought 'Cause it's pleasing to the eye. And the pleasure gained in teaching Passing on this noble art Is worth the time and effort And gladdens every heart. Noelene at The Angle noel...@lafferty.com.au Teaching is teaching, whatever the subject. . Happy lacemaking and teaching Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
RE: [lace] teaching
If I have answered the same question over five times then the problem is that I have not answered in a way that that particular student can understand, not that she has not tried to understand. Keeping on asking means that she wants to understand and I have to keep on looking for another way to give her the answer. We get there in the end. This is so true, I have found when I am teaching, (computer usage or a hand craft) that your statements hold true as well. Regards Jenny Brandis Brookdale, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching
This past weekend, at a Society for Creative Anachronism event in Colorado, USA, I taught my very first lace hands on needle lace class. I only had two students, and due to the constraints of the event (so much going on), I wasn't able to give the one lady the extra help she needed (because she was too busy, not because I didn't have time for her). But the other lady I taught finished the simple square, and is excited about doing more needle lace! Thank you everybody. Your discussion the previous week about teachers helped me to be a patient teacher. And who knows, maybe the other lady will email me for help, as she said she was going to continue on the project when she arrived home. Bronwen, in rainy Colorado Springs, CO -- Only a life lived in the service to others is worth living.- Albert Einstein - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching and teaching skills
Hi Arachnids When I was chairman of the Education Sub-committee and working on the assessment schedules we worked on the presumption that the Advanced standard of the Lace Guild Assessments should be that suitable for a teacher. I then suggested that the Advanced certificate should include the words similar to the following. In the opinion of the Lace Guild this candidate has reached the standard in this subject required for teaching it. However, the Guild makes no claims as to the teaching ability of this candidate. It is possible that this may be accepted as a qualification in the subject. At the time I was working on it, in the 1980s, I was told it would have been acceptable. Blow the dust, lets make lace, I know there should be an apostrophe, what does one do in this case, can I use a question mark. Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] re: Lace teaching
I have followed the teacher evaluation and qualification thread with great interest, both as a student and as a teacher. Janice, I think it is a good idea to provide the evaluation form beforehand to IOLI teachers - especially the new ones - and also give guidelines to teachers as to how to deal with students who are either under and over qualified for a class, and those who demand much more than their fair share of class time. Maybe a short session at the Teachers Meeting? No matter how well a class is described by the teacher, different students will interpret it to mean different things. What does beginner, intermediate and advanced really mean? It varies from one lace maker to the next how they perceive their skills. More illustrations might help, and that is now possible on the websites. But even illustrations are open to interpretation. Some teachers who plan to write a book on their subject might be reluctant to give out written material, as it will be copied and distributed by students. It probably comes down to whether one teaches to share the love and knowledge of lace or as a business. Others might argue that one learns more from taking notes than receiving a handout, which may or may not make sense. I am personally in favor of clearly illustrated hand-outs. We all teach and learn in different ways. As a teacher I always learn something from my students while teaching. I have been very fortunate during my many years teaching lace making to have met a lot of wonderful people, and it always pleases me tremendously when I see my former students enjoy lace making, advance to a new technique, entering a contest, teaching, etc. That to me is the real payment for teaching. Karen in Washington, DC - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching skills and lace
Hi Lyn and Spiders, Just to add a little bit more to the topic. Although some (most ?) lace tutors probably don't have 'teacher training', I, with the help of the Lace Guild bursary, took the City and Guilds Teaching Certificates, and they certainly helped! The class was taught by a wonderful woman, who made us challenge ourselves - and each other - and my biggest achievement in that class was to teach an Army sergeant how to do leaves! And a very creditable effort he made, too. So - maybe the City and Guilds teaching certificates could be more widely advertised - I certainly enjoyed the experience of the courses, and I am sure I learned a very great deal too. Carol - in North Norfolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net To: lace@arachne.com Cc: Sent: Saturday, 23 August 2014, 20:42 Subject: [lace] Teaching skills and lace . Training and practice can only help. While lace teachers undoubtedly know the subject matter, there is no teacher training for lace teachers, nor is there the kind of feedback as to the effectiveness of my teaching. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching skills and lace
So - maybe the City and Guilds teaching certificates could be more widely advertised - I certainly enjoyed the experience of the courses, and I am sure I learned a very great deal too. are there any courses for 'City and Guilds' Lace making? I thought they were not being run any more but would be interested in finding out about the possibility of taking a course. Celia Mulhearn Highbridge, Somerset UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching skills and lace
The city and guilds teaching certificate is called PTLLS. These days, in order to take this qualification and use it to teach you are supposed to be qualified in the subject that you intend to teach. My understanding is that the city and guilds for lacemaking is no longer run as as this was the only qualification in the UK you end up with a circular issue. You want to be qualified to teach lace but you can't gain a qualification at the right level to take the teaching qualification. However, if you are qualified with PTLLS you can apply to any of the awarding bodies to deliver a qualification in lacemaking so long as you are an accreditation centre or attached to an accredited centre. That, of course, costs money. Then to deliver the accreditation course that you set up you need to pay for an IV (internal verifier) to verify that you are delivering to standard. Following that, sample models from each learner are checked by an outside auditor from the qualifying body to check that standard are being met. This all has to be delivered in a timely manner. So, you can see why as numbers applying for the city and guilds lacemaking dropped it stopped being viable to continue with the formal qualification. http://www.cityandguilds.com/qualifications-and-apprenticeships/learning/teaching/6302-preparing-to-teach-in-the-lifelong-learning-sector-ptlls#tab=information You could argue that if you have received certification from the lace guild for completing their assessments that this would give you the technical qualification to take PTLLS but because it is not delivered to OfQual standards it is not recognised. Catch 22. In the past, colleges would let you teach lace if you had PTLLS but not a lace qualification as they believed that if you could demonstrate a reasonable standard in lacemaking and had learnt to teach you could combine the two. Something which this debate here has borne out. L Sent from my iPad On 24 Aug 2014, at 20:55, Celia Mulhearn po...@me.com wrote: So - maybe the City and Guilds teaching certificates could be more widely advertised - I certainly enjoyed the experience of the courses, and I am sure I learned a very great deal too. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace teaching
My goodness I didn't mean to start such a debate/vent session. *blush* My experience with the other lace maker was at a demonstration and I was new to tatting. I had been taught by the president of our local guild just a couple months before and I was doing my best to throw myself wholeheartedly into the lace world. I was shocked at being put down for simply making a join in a different, but acceptable, style. I was also stunned at how this lace maker would inform the kids under 8 years age that they were too young to try bobbin lace. It made me quite angry as I knew full well that there are laces made by much younger kids in museums and my daughter (4 at the time) had helped me make one of those snakes. I was also shocked that, instead of promoting the local guild, this person informed everyone that if they wanted to learn tatting they would need to sign up for his/her class at the local yarn shop. A class that was $150 for Level 1 class (2 months long) and only taught rings chains. My thought, later after I had recovered from the negativity I felt, was how offensive the inferences he/she made were. That according to this person who was a certified tatting instructor all those grandmothers and mothers teaching their kids were some how unqualified. Or that those like the president of the local chapter - shouldn't be teaching because they didn't have some little paper. I have sense learned that this person is kind of notorious in lace circles for this behavior. Having vetted teachers at IOLI conventions is one thing, but isn't it part of being a member in IOLI to do gratis teaching and demos? Isn't part of loving lace making to try and inspire and encourage as many people as we can to take up the art? What I had hoped to encourage by sharing my experience was for people to be more willing to stand up for the new lace-makers. If we see something like *GASP FUME* someone cutting bobbins off that we'll speak up. Thanks for reading happy lace making. Robin D. -- Never, ever, let anyone tell you what you can and can't do. Prove the cynics wrong. Pity them for they have no imagination. The sky's the limit. *Your* sky. *Your *limit. Now, let's dance. *~Tom Hiddleston* - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace teaching
With children who have good attention spans, I have successfully taught them simple bobbin lace ( eg snakes, fish etc) at the age of 3. Sue suebabbs...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lace teaching
I have always taught beginners for basically the cost of my travel. For more advanced tuition I charge a little more. I also encourage newbies to join the local group to get support and offer a list of books to work with for inspiration. In addition, for the taster classes that I have been running at local craft stores, I have provided all the equipment so the learner simply has to turn up, choose some lovely colours and start. As to age, the last taster session had a lovely young lady of just 7 who had better colour coordination than the rest of us. Sent from my iPad On 25 Aug 2014, at 00:37, Robin D human.m...@gmail.com wrote: Having vetted teachers at IOLI conventions is one thing, but isn't it part of being a member in IOLI to do gratis teaching and demos? Isn't part of loving lace making to try and inspire and encourage as many people as we can to take up the art? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching lace.
I feel I must stop lurking and pass on my opinions on this topic. The best teacher I ever had was the late Marjery Carter, who taught me Bucks point. She had been a maths teacher, and her opinion was that if you could teach one subject, then you could teach anything, because you had the necessary techniques and patience. But, of course, you had to know any subject which you were teaching very well yourself. That does not mean to say that a non-teacher should not try to teach lace, but it takes effort and a lot of thought. I am in this position myself at the moment. A friend asked me to teach her to make lace. For a variety of reasons there was no other way she could learn. I resisted, saying that I am not a teacher, although I have been making lace for 45 years. But she insisted, and so we began, just about a year ago. She is now making lace - not perfect lace, but good lace - learning all the time and enjoying every moment of it. We have a session every week and have just moved from Torchon to Russian lace - she is Russian. We went slowly at first, while I felt my way into teaching. I think we have been successful because of this, because she is skilled in other crafts and because she so passionately wants to make lace. But there is no way I would try to teach a class - one-to-one is quite different. The worst teacher I have heard of was the one a friend of mine started with. She did not let her students start or complete a piece themselves. She began every piece, and finished every piece. My friend came out of that class able to make lace but unable to move forward. Luckily she found a better teacher and became an excellent lace maker - but only because she was determined and passionate about lace. Kathleen Berkshire, UK --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching lace.
Hi Kathleen and Spiders I can agree whole-heartedly with the last paragraph. I was talking at a Lace Day, when I was taking the Lace Circle goodies around, with a very respected tutor - she told me that whilst teaching, I shoud NEVER teach students how to start, and how to finish. The reason for that is, that the students have to keep coming to classes if they can't start or finish, and that, in her words, 'keeps bums on seats' and keeps the classes going! ( I had previously said that one of my classes was being sadly depleted by people moving away, or finding other hobbies, and she told me this in an effort to be helpful, and keep my class numbers up - but I was horrified!) However, take care, and may your pins never bend. Carol - in North Norfolk, UK. 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: Kathleen Harris ec...@cix.co.uk To: 'lace' lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Teaching lace. The worst teacher I have heard of was the one a friend of mine started with. She did not let her students start or complete a piece themselves. She began every piece, and finished every piece. My friend came out of that class able to make lace but unable to move forward. Luckily she found a better teacher and became an excellent lace maker - but only because she was determined and passionate about lace. Kathleen Berkshire, UK --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching lacemaking
Hi Clay and all Spiders, I would like to add just one small point! Even knowing the subject inside-out is not always a good preparation for teaching said subject. My lace is not quite of the quality of other really marvellous lace-makers, but many of my students have said that they have come to me via other students, as they have been dissatisfied with previous tutors and classes. Sometimes, I feel that this could be that I can still remember the difficulties (and tears shed) with some techniques, and it helps me to find other ways to explain, so that the student can understand. We had a Maths tutor at High School - he was a brilliant man - a forces intelligence chap, a Russian speaker, and all sorts of major qualifications - but because Maths came so easily to him, he could never understand our difficulties, and if questions were asked, tended to stand in front of the class, looking bewildered that anyone should be unable to understand! Some of us got through our Maths GCEs, but it was a major triumph when we did. Carol - in North Norfolk, UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net Subject: [lace] Teaching lacemaking Sent from my iPad On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:14 PM, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: Just because we have not been trained as teachers is not proof that we are not capable of being good teachers. There are several ways that a teacher/student relationship can be magical. If both teacher and student respond to the visual approach, they will get along! If they both function on an auditory level, then again, they get along! Then, there is the kinetic approach, which is essentially the hands-on learning. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching lace.
I was very disappointed at first when our classes folded because of numbers going down because they put the prices too high. But it was a blessing in disguise, because before when I had a problem I just asked my tutor and she put me right, but with no teacher I had to sort out my own problems and found I was learning far more about lace by simply thinking harder about it instead of saying how do you? Sue M Harvey Norfolk U.K. Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching lace.
Well done Sue, but unfortunately not everyone is as positive and determined as you. I know that not all the people who were in my classes and who dropped out one or two at a time, over several price raises, are still making lace. I am still seeing many of the ones who were able to hang in until the end, when the both price shot up and concessions were removed at the same time, but the ones who left earlier have mostly disappeared from my circle. I do agree with what you are saying though as I was originally self taught, and when I first went to classes I found it very strange when people just chatted while waiting for help, instead of trying to work out what to do. I now see people monthly and it's a good compromise for all as they have to think for themselves a bit or they can't do anything for a long time, but if they are seriously stuck they know help is coming. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching skills and lace
In any teaching situation, there are two requirements: knowledge of the subject, and knowing how to transmit that knowledge to the student in the most efficient way. It is the second part that is not necessarily as easily developed as the first. Some have the teaching talent instinctually, and others are trained. Training and practice can only help. It was in college that I first found poor teachers, those who knew their subject, but didn't know how to effectively transmit that knowledge in the most efficient way. Since we knew there was a final exam, if necessary we compensated for any deficiencies of the teacher, as we were motivated to get good grades, and that required acquiring the teacher's knowledge, however that was done. What I found was that with some notable exceptions who simply knew how to teach without any official training, those teachers who had taught high school were uniformly good teachers. They knew how to transmit their knowledge efficiently, and as painlessly as possible. The best could get a stone to learn the subject. As a 7th grade (12-14 years old) English teacher as my first post-college job for four years, I think the reason is that a school teacher has to figure out how to teach, and, of course, is required to take teacher training of one sort or another, and thus learns what works and what does not. School teachers get feedback on their teaching methods by seeing students' grades, although this is a generalization. Being able to create enthusiasm for the subject is a matter of pride to school teachers, and they have practice at it. I am certainly not saying there are no poor school teachers, but training, practice and feedback go a long way. While lace teachers undoubtedly know the subject matter, there is no teacher training for lace teachers, nor is there the kind of feedback as to the effectiveness of my teaching. When things were going poorly in my class of youngsters, and the students were not engaged, they sort of began to run around the walls and swing from the rafters. When they were truly engaged, I could see that, too. In a lace class, the students are too mature and too polite to give the same sort of feedback my young students did. Needless to say, if a school teacher does the equivalent of cutting the bobbins off the pillow, the teacher ends up in the principal's office, perhaps with the irate parent there, and the facts of life are made abundantly clear. Lyn in Southwest Harbor, Maine, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching skills and lace
Hi All, My first experience of a brilliant person who had difficulty passing on the information she knew was one of my first teachers in Primary School. I need to point out that the first 5 years of my education were by Correspondence (in Australia now called Distance Education) so I was about 11 at the time. One of the best was in the Senior Years in High School, taught Geography and instilled the formula for essay writing, saved my bacon. My only teaching training was Certificate IV in Workplace Training, a method of assisting adults teach other adults in the Workplace - I did it as part of First Aid Training. Have not found an outlet for my interest in teaching Lace, but I feel I could manage it on a one to one basis. I agree with the Australian Lace Guild's stand on Proficiencies before teaching on their behalf, but there would be many teachers of Lace out there in local groups and on a one to one basis without that background. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching antics
Oh my goodness That's appalling and so was the behavior of the tutor who cut off the bobbins. I hope she was never invited to teach again! Don't forget to complete the Appraisal form distributed at the end of class, giving you the opportunity to report such behavior to the organisers. Students do not pay good money to be humiliated! Catherine Barley Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com - Original Message - From: laceviolins...@comcast.net To Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching antics The teacher told us that all the instruction was printed on papers hanging around the class on the walls. Then on the last day of instruction she said that she would not be teaching, that she and her friends were going to be have some wine in the back of the room, so we should just go ahead and lace. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching antics
I hope everyone fills in the comment section of the forms which are handed out to students at the end of the classes at IOLI conventions, whether good or bad. Having been to almost all the conventions in the last 18 years, I have written about poor teachers who did not spend time with all the students and had time monopolized by a few students who probably should not have taken the class because they were not ready for that style of lace. I had a teacher once who was balancing her checkbook and expected us to come up to the top table with our questions. A bit daunting for a new lacemaker. I had an teacher, early on in my lacemaking life, that seemed to dislike me on sight and would not come to me when I needed help. She would work her way around the room and stop at the person on my right, then work back around the room and never came to me until the time she asked if anyone needed help and my neighbor said Janice does. I was too shy to speak up back then. Can't think what I did for her to dislike me, maybe asked too many questions when she demonstrated something, but you can bet your boots I never took a class from her again. Her loss. These comment forms are the property of the IOLI Education Committee and they compile them into the IOLI teacher database. Prospective co-hosts can get a copy of this database and decide if they really want that particular teacher. Your anonymous comments will be taken into consideration and if a teacher has many low scores, they may not get invited again. As part of the IOLI convention committee we are considering having a handout for teachers in future on teaching techniques such as * How to deal with a student whose skill level is below that of the class and is struggling * How to deal with a student whose skill level is above that of the class and is bored * How to deal with a student who is demanding an inordinate amount of the teacher's time (to the detriment of the other students in the class) If you have any suggestions, you can write to me privately and I will pass them on to the committee. Janice Oh my goodness That's appalling and so was the behavior of the tutor who cut off the bobbins. I hope she was never invited to teach again! Don't forget to complete the Appraisal form distributed at the end of class, giving you the opportunity to report such behavior to the organisers. Students do not pay good money to be humiliated! Catherine Barley The teacher told us that all the instruction was printed on papers hanging around the class on the walls. Then on the last day of instruction she said that she would not be teaching, that she and her friends were going to be have some wine in the back of the room, so we should just go ahead and lace. - - Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, 60 miles north of San Diego www.jblace.com www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching lacemaking
Sent from my iPad On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:14 PM, The Lace Bee thelace...@btinternet.com wrote: As a qualified business trainer who supports people taking their qualifications for teaching at colleges who is married to a PTLLS holder (the qualification for teaching vocational skills at collets and other environs) and who's sister literally wrote the book on making learning inclusive I hate the quote by the otherwise wonderful George Bernard Shaw that those who can't Teach I take offense to this on a number of levels. I'm going to overlook the typos and grammatical errors as part of this crazy internet communication system! However, lacemaking is an artistic skill. Artists do not think like business trainers, nor do they think like vocational teachers. My professional training was first as a teacher (Masters in Education,[M.Ed.]) but later as a clinical Mental Health Therapist (M.P.C.). But my undergraduate degree was in Art History, which was my first true love. My point is that people are drawn to lacemaking for many reasons, and creating a balance in our lives is often a major reason. So, we find that there are teachers and teachers' aides among us, as well as, for example, members of medical professions such as mine, child care workers, homemakers, lawyers, legal aides, accountants, Engineers, secretaries, office managers, court clerks, Judges, retail sales clerks, city managers, custodians, fast food workers, artists and designers. In today's world, those of us who would be starving artists usually take a profession that pays the bills, but seek out satisfaction in our hobbies. Many of us are lucky enough to discover lace, and it is in the pursuit of perfection in this field that we achieve balance in our lives. Just because we have not been trained as teachers is not proof that we are not capable of being good teachers. There are several ways that a teacher/student relationship can be magical. If both teacher and student respond to the visual approach, they will get along! If they both function on an auditory level, then again, they get along! Then, there is the kinetic approach, which is essentially the hands-on learning. In lacemaking, this is a dominant learning style, but can be over-rated, especially after moving beyond the basics. Often, a new lacemaker is attracted to another member of the group, mainly because they have the same learning style! My opinion, based on my assessment of the most influential teachers in my lacemaking journey, is that if the teacher is thoroughly grounded in his or her style of lace, and takes the time to develop study pieces which guide the development of basic skills in the particular lace being studied, then regardless of learning/teaching style, progress can be made! More than anything else, patient encouragement is the key ingredient! I emphatically add that cutting bobbins off of a student's pillow is not good form! Bad Teacher. At some level, I'm curious who that was, but in truth, ignorance is bliss!!! Clay Clay Blackwell - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching lacemaking
Clay, My apologies and yes the joy of replying from an iPhone with a small screen and predictive text does affect grammar and punctuation (and sometimes unique words appear that I didn't mean) which coupled with the fact that as a child of the 70s British educational system I was not allowed to use punctuation until I was 14 so sometimes I forget to use it at all. So my apologies, as perhaps my meaning didn't come across correctly. What I was trying to say was that with my background I have the privilege of observing good and bad practice and the tools to deconstruct why that works. The best teachers seem to always have three qualities: 1. A passion for their subject 2. An ability to connect with the student 3. Patience Clay, as you have trained as a teaching professional your reply went through and explained the standard deconstruct of VARK (Visual, Auditory, Read/Write and Kinestic). I know that there are lots of models on how to teach out there but I personally like VARK because it's so easy to use and so effective. A well taught teacher or trainer will try each method in turn to match the learner's style and a natural teacher (and there are many out there) will also do this. My husband admits that although he is a qualified teacher he is not a natural one and has to plan his lessons carefully to make sure he is inclusive in his methods of training. His biggest challenge is that although extremely passionate about his subject he is not naturally a patient man and has to remind himself that learners learn at different speeds and have different abilities. Because of his subject, many of his learners have limited educational experience and are often daunted by returning to a classroom. It is his job to make that experience welcoming. I knew a trainer who was very Kinestic - hands on. Every training session that they designed was practical learning but their learners were mainly read / write and wanted to know the facts behind the practical. Every time one of the learners asked a question the trainer would simple reply 'well, why do you think it does that'. The poor learners realised that the trainer either didn't know or couldn't explain so stopped asking. Then after about 6 months, they stopped booking training. When you are a paid trainer for a large company, having no delegates is a bit of an issue. My point with the GBS quote was that for many years people have fallen under that spell of thinking that anyone can pass on knowledge. The key being if you know more than the learner then you will be fine. But it's a myth. The first inspirational teacher I met was when I was 7 and learnt the guitar. He was actually 2 lessons ahead of me in the same book. But by learning at the same time as me he was deconstructing the learning experience and then reconstructing it for me. That grounding has done me well. I am a natural guitar player but it is combined with a good knowledge of music theory and guitar theory. I know how to and why and even now when I don't practice as much as I should, I can pick up my guitar and sight read music because it became a part of me through the teaching. Back in the late 90s I was rather ill and didn't do anything really for about 6 months. As I recovered I discovered I had no patience for anything and certainly no sustained levels of concentration. So I (perhaps foolishly) thought that going back to lacemaking was the answer. I realised then that the second person who taught me (in the early 90s) although not a trained teacher, was perhaps the best skills teacher I'd met. Each time I had hit a problem she would tell me that it was common and we would together trace back to where the error had started and talk about the options to put it right. She installed in me the maximum 'can you live with it' if yes, carry on, if no, make your lace backwards. I undid my return lace time and time again and was happy doing it because that teacher had installed in me the passion to make, the knowledge to do it and the patience to achieve it. Most of all, she made me feel as though I could do it. So again Clay, my apologies and I should not email whilst trying to board a plane and I must proof read on the iPhone. I often get work emails where I'm not sure if the person is being supportive or sarcastic. Because emails is so conversational sometimes it doesn't flow like a letter should. Even the iPad tried to change concentration in to condensation just now ... That would have brought a whole new level of confusion to the debate. And note to self - punctuation, punctuation, punctuation. L Sent from my iPad On 23 Aug 2014, at 03:52, Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net wrote: I take offense to this on a number of levels. I'm going to overlook the typos and grammatical errors as part of this crazy internet communication system! However, lacemaking is an artistic skill. Artists do not think like
Re: [lace] Teaching lacemaking
Hello everyone I have to pipe up, the GBS line is He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches. and one of many Shaw-isms from his play Man and Superman based on the Don Juan theme. Happily it is not in the context of lacemaking, lacemakers nor lace teachers! I like better the proverb One in three is a teacher. and even better than that, some good advice I heard early on in lacemaking, that one way to learn is to teach someone else! It has worked for me :) Lace on and on My point with the GBS quote was -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching antics
Sallie, I hope you reported the antics of that teacher who cut your bobbins. What a horrific experience. No one has a right to treat anyone that way, where one is not willfully being disruptive or uncooperative. I had one IOLI instructor who appeared to have no interest in teaching me from the very beginning (I think I was the only 1/2 day student in the class). I did my best for 3 days and spent the last full day in my good class. I will never give her a second chance. I've been in another situation where a teacher was playing favorites and being very hard on someone else in the class. It's not supposed to be boot camp. Some instructors need drama to feed ego, but they and the event organizers should be informed that this does not further the goal of building the lacemaking community. It's very hard to speak up in small groups sometimes (and almost impossible to confront a bad instructor personally as a student), but it's important to praise the great instructors and point out those whose approaches do nothing to help the sponsoring organization and lacemaking in the long run. If you are having a bad time with a teacher, chances are someone else got burned too. And if you see someone else being mistreated, try to offer them support and report the circumstances to the organizers. Glad you persevered with lace and found great teachers like Sylvie and Lia. Regards, Lorraine in Albany, NY - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching antics
I had a bad experience with a half day class. The class was explained in the IOLI manual as beginner to experienced taught both morning and afternoon. Little did I know that you got all the instruction in the morning and the two of us who took the afternoon class were ignored. The teacher told us that all the instruction was printed on papers hanging around the class on the walls. Then on the last day of instruction she said that she would not be teaching, that she and her friends were going to be have some wine in the back of the room, so we should just go ahead and lace. NEVER took a class from her again, and needless to say, I do not have any desire to learn that type of lace. Becca - Original Message - From: L. E. Weiss weiss@mindspring.com To: lace lace@arachne.com Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:31:07 PM Subject: [lace] Teaching antics Sallie, I hope you reported the antics of that teacher who cut your bobbins. What a horrific experience. No one has a right to treat anyone that way, where one is not willfully being disruptive or uncooperative. I had one IOLI instructor who appeared to have no interest in teaching me from the very beginning (I think I was the only 1/2 day student in the class). I did my best for 3 days and spent the last full day in my good class. I will never give her a second chance. I've been in another situation where a teacher was playing favorites and being very hard on someone else in the class. It's not supposed to be boot camp. Some instructors need drama to feed ego, but they and the event organizers should be informed that this does not further the goal of building the lacemaking community. It's very hard to speak up in small groups sometimes (and almost impossible to confront a bad instructor personally as a student), but it's important to praise the great instructors and point out those whose approaches do nothing to help the sponsoring organization and lacemaking in the long run. If you are having a bad time with a teacher, chances are someone else got burned too. And if you see someone else being mistreated, try to offer them support and report the circumstances to the organizers. Glad you persevered with lace and found great teachers like Sylvie and Lia. Regards, Lorraine in Albany, NY - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching antics
What many teachers forget is that people are buying a service from them and as such are their customers If I was abused in a shop by the person I wasn't young from I would vote with my feet and complain to the manager. We are often too nice to those who bully or fail to provide the level of service expected because we just want together away and not make a scene On the flip side, if someone has paid me to learn I will be honest if they are wasting their money. I taught one lady who had no talent at all for lacemaking. Each session she had lost all the progress that that she had made in the session before. In the end, I suggested she stopped paying and had 3 free lessons. If she made no progress at end of those we would part company. She admitted that she wasn't enjoying it and finally spoke with me about pressures at home which were taking up her thoughts. So we took a teaching holiday with the promise of a couple offerer sessions when she felt she had time to take it up again. Sent from my iPhone On 22 Aug 2014, at 02:31, L. E. Weiss weiss@mindspring.com wrote: Sallie, I hope you reported the antics of that teacher who cut your bobbins. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching lace - UK background checks
I seem to remember it was said that people required a background check for each class/group taught in different locations. This morning, in the church coffee lounge I was told the system has changed. The conversation arose because volunteers for the two summer clubs - one for children and one for 'seniors' - were being handed forms to be completed. Since the 17th June the old CRB forms are outdated and won't 'work' now. The new system is 'Debarring and disclosure service'. Only one form is required with no cost to volunteers. Once you have competed the form and had it accepted you register online for a 'portable' badge (or whatever is issued to you). I assume this is at no extra cost to those being paid for their services/jobs. You can find out about it on: www.homeoffice.gov.uk/dbs You still need proof of identity - but you would expect that. This won't help the people who have given up teaching or the classes lost but I felt the information should be publicised, especially given the lengthy discussion recently held about the problems of volunteering. Patricia in Wales P.S. This is UK wide and not simply a Welsh development. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching lace - UK background checks
That'd be about right volunteers would have to pay themselves I can foresee people not bothering to volunteer at all!! School crossing patrols for instance... only work 5 hours per week termtimes only and they'd have to pay for the check?? Can we really see that working? Back down off soapbox Sue (Lollipop Lady in North of UK) On 29 Jul 2013, at 18:45, scotl...@aol.com wrote: I seem to remember it was said that people required a background check for each class/group taught in different locations. This morning, in the church coffee lounge I was told the system has changed. You can find out about it on: www.homeoffice.gov.uk/dbs - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching lace - UK background checks
Volunteers do not pay now: I said specifically 'no cost to volunteers'. Employers pay for their employees. My niece has just graduated in radiography (with first class honours and student of the year prize; I'm so proud I have to boast, given the problems she had) and is having a background check done now. If she was expected to pay for it I would have heard all about it, believe me, as she is so hard up. Her employing Health Board is footing the bill. In the early days of background checks my local council paid for them for teachers, assistants, dinner ladies and crossing patrol people as well as for us reading volunteers. I see no reason for that to have changed. I assume the self employed -e.g. private music teacher - pay for themselves. Patricia in Wales -Original Message- From: Sue Duckles s...@duckles.co.uk To: scotlace scotl...@aol.com CC: lace lace@arachne.com Sent: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:53 Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching lace - UK background checks That'd be about right volunteers would have to pay themselves I can foresee people not bothering to volunteer at all!! School crossing patrols for instance... only work 5 hours per week termtimes only and they'd have to pay for the check?? Can we really see that working? Back down off soapbox Sue (Lollipop Lady in North of UK) On 29 Jul 2013, at 18:45, scotl...@aol.com wrote: I seem to remember it was said that people required a background check for each class/group taught in different locations. This morning, in the church coffee lounge I was told the system has changed. You can find out about it on: www.homeoffice.gov.uk/dbs - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Hi Anna, thank you for your kind words. This weekend is the local ag show and some of my girls have entered their work, So it is an anxious time for them. I enjoy being with them as they are such fun to be around! Tomorrow I will check out how well they did and take photos of their work. Surrogate grandmother works for me. :-) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Jenny, having met you for the first time last year, I'm not at all surprised that the munchkins keep coming back. You are an inspirational teacher. And surrogate grandmother how lovely. There are lots of very young grandmothers I must admit i have been surprised that the group has continued for so long!! Anna in a sunny Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Hello Spiders, This is really making us all think, isn't it! When I went into the schools in which I taught lace-making, as an after-school activity, there was always a teacher present, so they didn't think that a CRB was necessary, as the teacher was always on the spot. (One of the teachers even joined the class!) However, one of my children's private classes folded because a friend (!) of one of the mothers asked if she had checked that I was CRB checked. I wrote to my then MP who, after quite a long time, replied that, as I was going into the childen's homes, where a parent or guardian was always present, then I didn't need any additional checks - especially as I was self-employed anyway. This took so long to sort out, that I gave up on that class - felt sorry for the children who had been enjoying it, but felt that, if the mother was going to listen to too many of her pals, with all sorts of criticism, I could do without all the hassle. The other three children's classes continued without any bother, so I felt quite happy with that. However, I do agree that they take the CRB checks to laughable levels. Surely one check should be enough for any and alll activities, not separate ones for Guides, Cubs, Brownies, schools, lace tutors and anything else they can make a bit of maney on... Carol in North Norfolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net lynrbai...@desupernet.net Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children . A UNIFIED BACKGROUND CHECK FOR LACE TEACHERS!! Hi All - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Dear All I have experienced this CRB checks and at one time could have papered the little room with all the certificates for the different things I was involved in. Not just for working with children but with Vulnerable Adults. (This covers anyone who finds themselves in a vulnerable situation - fall and bruise your knee you become a vulnerable adult cut your hand) Just remember the CRB check is only really valid on date of issue as it only records things that have happened and been recorded ie convictions. one day later and the picture could be very different. If we want to bring childen up in a 100% risk free environment 100% germfree maybe we should CRB check any person who wishes to have a baby and then check parents very 3 years. If they fail any of these checksin any way the children are removed into govt care. which should meet the above levels of excellence.This will then only leave those that are not parents to be checked. Well maybe we just check the whole population as a matter of course all the time and the citizen will the have an ID number that it login with (with retinal recognition) any time they have any contact with children and if they are not of the correct standardd then they will be a loud noise to alert the bystanding adults. There has got to be a better way - how about trust in others. despite the few sick people that are out there. most children who hve been abused have been abused by family members - the recent cases of grooming have been young girls who have many problems and the groomers have not been people working with groups of young children. There have been cases of children being groomed in chat rooms on the internet. The same can be said for adults too these situation exist for them as well. Maybe we start with respect and a caring attitude towards others - male female children and less of the need to subjugate others Thank you for reading this - I will now get back to my lacemaking On 10/07/2013 11:49, nestalace.ca...@btinternet.com wrote: Hello Spiders, This is really making us all think, isn't it! When I went into the schools in which I taught lace-making, as an after-school activity, there was always a teacher present, so they didn't think that a CRB was necessary, as the teacher was always on the spot. (One of the teachers even joined the class!) However, one of my children's private classes folded because a friend (!) of one of the mothers asked if she had checked that I was CRB checked. I wrote to my then MP who, -- Kind Regards Rosemary Hemmett mailto:rosemary.hemm...@virgin.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
I have been teaching children for 4 years (7-12 yrs old at the beginning) and although I went and got the australian police clearance called 'working with children' it has never been asked for. I teach in my own home each Saturday afternoon and it is purely voluntary on behalf of the kids. If they felt threatened in any way they would not come. I was unsure how to respond to a comment that i was a surrogate grandmother but on reflection that makes sense as i live in a 'young' town with the average age being in the 30's. Whatever the reason i love being able to pass on my love of craft to a new generation. We have explored different crafts over the time but the one stipulation is that they must learn bobbin lace to attend. I must admit i have been surprised that the group has continued for so long!! Regards Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi all, Just been catching up on the thread of recent digests and came across Joke Lyn's messages regarding teaching children. Lyn wrote: I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us Lacemakers Joke wrote: It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to get to know lacemaking.. For 12-14 years I voluntarily ran a lace club in the lunch hour at what was then the local middle school [children aged 9-13] where I taught both girls and boys to make lace. Living in a relatively rural area it had to be during lunch because after school clubs were difficult for the majority of children who had to be bussed to and from school each day. The class was always full [14 max] with a lengthy waiting list of youngsters wanting to have a go at making lace, often inspired by the annual exhibition the group put on to coincide with parents days. Some lasted for a few weeks before deciding it wasn't for them others stayed on until they changed school, one is now my groups membership sec. All went well until the school had a new headmaster who thought it a waste of time and spent a year making life very difficult... so that class moved to my home along with the class I'd already set up for the older children going to high school. But gradually numbers dwindled and life was made even more difficult because of all the scandals of child abuse that were coming to the fore and CRB checking was introduced and became compulsory . this was when I bowed out of teaching children, not because I wouldn't pass through the CRB checks I hasten to add, but because the cost of it was prohibitive. And yes Lyn I do see the funny side of what you wrote. Another problem that we now face in my area at least, is the lack of lacemakers who are able and willing to teach. Over the past couple of years when I've been out giving a talk/exhibiting within the county I've been asked where folk can go to learn, but classes are non-existent in many parts of the county, so cutting a long story short this has resulted in a new class of adult beginners [not all retired] and a bit of a trek for me, so far it's going well, though I do have to watch out for herds of deer suddenly leaping out from the hedgerows across the road when I drive back home in the dark, it's happened each week so far. Clearly this particular narrow lane crosses their regular route, but it's the only way home for me, but I have to say that one particular stag is quite an impressive animal and I do so enjoy seeing them, fingers crossed they won't one day actually land on my car. Never imagined that lacemaking could be so fraught with danger!!! Nicky in a gloriously sunny Suffolk so wonderful to see some sunshine at long long last. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Lyn, You gave me an excellent idea. I could use some slave labour to be able to enter the 5 meter club :) Just kidding! It is sad they had to enforce these rules. Joke On 8 Jul 2013, at 23:20, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear Joke, I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us lacemakers, but Please enjoy the joke with me. Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, who had the charges for failing to show her automobile insurance to the cop withdrawn today. Honestly. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi All Been watching this thread with interest. I am enhanced CRB checked and do hold a current certificate however here in the UK it would only cover me for being a School Crossing Patrol! If I wanted to go into school to 'teach' then I should be CRB checked for that... if I wanted to work with 'vulnerable adults' in other centres again another CRB check would have to be made. Trusteeship of a group registered with the Charities Commission would need another CRB clearance All of which must be paid for by an organisation, and the paperwork can take up to 6 months!! This situation is rather ludicrous, as each of the above checks would be made by the SAME County Council!!! Now where is the sense in that?? IMHO it's a great way of raising extra money! Also, if someone is 'retired' or self-employed, there is NO WAY that they can get their employer to pay for a CRB clearance doesn't enter into the scheme! In other words, whereas I could potentially go into the community to teach lace because I'm 'employed' , someone else who is retired couldn't, unless they could 'persuade' the relevant school or whatever, to pay £60 UKP EACH TIME!!! Separate ones for separate schools/centres etc this is probably why it just ain't gonna happen here in the UK!! Down off soapbox Sue in East Yorkshrie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I so agree Sue. Look at the cases in recent years where 'abusers' have had the necessary CRB checks and passed just because they 'lied' or something. I also believe it is basically a money making exercise. Retired people have the time and energy to go and teach lacemaking to children in schools. Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Well, Sue, you've got an MP. WRITE! Let's have a Youtube when this question is asked in Parliament. A UNIFIED BACKGROUND CHECK FOR LACE TEACHERS!! Once and done, 5 pounds for an update every 3 years. Otherwise lacemaking will go the way of the dodo in 30 years. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the background checks are portable, says DH. Only need one. -Original Message- From: Sue Duckles s...@duckles.co.uk Sent: Jul 9, 2013 4:32 AM To: Arachne lace@arachne.com lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children Hi All Been watching this thread with interest. I am enhanced CRB checked and do hold a current certificate however here in the UK it would only cover me for being a School Crossing Patrol! If I wanted to go into school to 'teach' then I should be CRB checked for that... if I wanted to work with 'vulnerable adults' in other centres again another CRB check would have to be made. Trusteeship of a group registered with the Charities Commission would need another CRB clearance All of which must be paid for by an organisation, and the paperwork can take up to 6 months!! This situation is rather ludicrous, as each of the above checks would be made by the SAME County Council!!! Now where is the sense in that?? IMHO it's a great way of raising extra money! Also, if someone is 'retired' or self-employed, there is NO WAY that they can get their employer to pay for a CRB clearance doesn't enter into the scheme! In other words, whereas I could potentially go into the community to teach lace because I'm 'employed' , someone else who is retired couldn't, unless they could 'persuade' the relevant school or whatever, to pay £60 UKP EACH TIME!!! Separate ones for separate schools/centres etc this is probably why it just ain't gonna happen here in the UK!! Down off soapbox Sue in East Yorkshrie - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Although I don't agree that you *have to be* a mathematician or scientist etc to be a good lacemaker, I am reasonably confident that a high percentage of those people who are bobbin lacemakers do have those inclinations and this may have been what Alex meant. Many times I have asked around a class what people's work is/was and the three fields that by far out number everything else are the already mentioned maths/science/computer specialities, medical/caring professions and teachers. Both the latter groups probably require at least a confidence with basic maths and science concepts. Myself, I loved geometry at school; it was so obvious how to work out angles and how to do all the clever drawings with only ruler and a pair of compasses. After school I went to art school to study fashion, but worked for years as a dispenser in a pharmacy. For quite a while I worked as a carer. After I did my teacher training with its awful analytical essays, I did Open University science as light relief; it was wonderful to be studying something where there were right and wrong answers. And from 10 years after leaving art school I was making my bobbin lace through all the rest. Just my observations, not meant to inflame or upset anyone. Cheers, Jacquie. Just spent a hot but enjoyable Lace Guild Exec meeting weekend at The Hollies. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Spiders, This theme has made me think! I was lucky enough to teach lace at a private school, in the after-school activities, and had so many children we had to have a 'helper' for me! I taught the Textiles class, and when some of the parents, children and staff knew I made lace (I made a treble clef for the music teacher) they were all very vocal in wanting a club - so, the school agreed, even bought several pillows and all the gear, and off we went. I did supply orange juice and biscuits - not chocolate ones! - and I am sure another of the attractions was that we had our own personalised sweat shirts too, which the children were allowed to wear at the club, but not in the school day. It was open to all from seven years old, and I had as many boys as girls, and I loved every second of it. The only thing which did get me extremely tetchy was when parents, guardians or nannies came in to collect children, and said 'Is that all you've done?' Maybe I was lucky, and I do think it is probably easier to start a lace club at a private school, rather than the local education authority school - private schools can be more innovative than the local authority will allow sometimes, but if there are any school fetes and summer events going on in your village/area etc., then offer to take pillows with wip, have-a-go pillows etc., and see what response you get - this is how I started at two local village schools, and they have been very successful indeed. Take care, keep on lacomg, and may your pins never bend! Carol - now in North Norfolk, UK. 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - Original Message - From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net lynrbai...@desupernet.net If you have an idea, please share. / walker.b...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Clay, Anna and other Arachnids, Most people have not reacted to this as it was not suggested that mathematicians or physicists make better lacemakers. The suggestion was that an argument that lacemaking MIGHT aid the development of mathematic/physics thinking as well as the artistic side in order to persuade schools to accept lace classes for the youngsters or even just an A4 poster to announce a children's group. It was also pointed out that it aided the development of precision movements which many children sadly lack these days. I am so sorry that the suggestions made by people to help persuade schools to open the doors have been misunderstood. Joepie in sunny Sussex, UK -Original Message- From: Clay Blackwell Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 1:57 AM To: Anna Binnie Cc: alexstillw...@talktalk.net ; Arachne reply ; Lyn Bailey Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children Thanks, Anna!! I appreciate another voice who understands what I have said!! Generalities just don't apply to those who are skilled at making lace! Clay On 7/7/2013 8:03 PM, Anna Binnie wrote: On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote: I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! I've just logged on and yes I was totally affronted with that statement too. Let me put it in perspective I hold a PhD in Physics and I have taught physics for the last 20+ year to adults at university and children in high school. Good lacemakers are people who are naturally good at lacemaking REGARDLESS of other skills. One of the best lacemakers I know (her work is in the Powerhouse museum) is not mathematically great BUT she is trained in textiles and had spent her working life as a costume designer. I'm a good lacemaker BUT not the best. As an educator I hate cover all statements about ability in one area and success in another. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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On Jul 7, 2013, at 8:00 PM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: What skills does lacemaking develop that will benefit school age children? If you have an idea, please share. Off the top of my head: concentration, following instructions, both written and oral, hand-eye coordination, small motor skills. My lace teacher used to tell students that follow the dots pictures were learning experiences leading to following the numbered sequence for working a piece of lace. Cynthia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching children
Hello everybody, It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to get to know lacemaking. Unfortunately in the UK and I wouldn#x27;t be surprised in a lot of other countries, all adults working with or teaching children need to be CBR checked. This means the person in question has to be checked if they have a criminal record. As you can understand, this is a lot of paperwork and extra cost for the school. So don#x27;t be to harsh on the schools. Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. Apart from that, the school curriculum doesn#x27;t leave much room for the schools to do extra bits. For example,my daughter will do her GCSE history next year, it will only cover 1900 till today. So no chance to get a question on the lace industry. This sounds very pessimistic. But when I look at the lace clubs I go to, there is no reason for pessimism. Every year I see new faces and they are not all past their retirement age. Joke Sinclair - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hello Joke and everyone Your comment says it for me, I notice this also at lace days and other lace get-togethers: ...But when I look at the lace clubs I go to, there is no reason for pessimism. Every year I see new faces ... -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Joke, I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. I'm sitting here with tears of laughter running down my face, thinking, Rats, my extensive criminal convictions will not let me teach lace to children... I know it's serious, and probably expensive, but really, lacemakers going to schools to prey on young children? The thought is such an absurdity. I suppose there could be a predator out there, lurking amongst us lacemakers, but Please enjoy the joke with me. Lyn from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, who had the charges for failing to show her automobile insurance to the cop withdrawn today. Honestly. Joke wrote: It would be lovely if children could have an afternoon to get to know lacemaking. Unfortunately in the UK and I wouldn#x27;t be surprised in a lot of other countries, all adults working with or teaching children need to be CBR checked. This means the person in question has to be checked if they have a criminal record. As you can understand, this is a lot of paperwork and extra cost for the school. So don#x27;t be to harsh on the schools. Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hello Lyn, and everyone I volunteer with an out-reach program, visiting schools. As a matter of course, we agreed to a criminal records check at the onset of volunteering for the program. It probably helps that my program is sponsored by a creditable arts institution that can cover the expense of the records check. Make of that what you will, but that's the way it's done. To initiate a lacemaking club in a public school isn't as easy as it might sound, is it :( On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:20 PM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear Joke, I apologize, but your posting struck me the wrong way. .. Joke wrote: Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Joke wrote: Also parents nowadays expect all adults, who work with children in after school activities or clubs, to be CBR checked as well. In Australia anyone who works with children needs to get a police check done. It is standard for teachers, ancillary staff, volunteers and sports coaches even parent coaches. I laughed when my then 20 year old son needed police clearance to coach his sister's basketball team (the girls were all 17 or 18). It is no big deal since the schools/ departments of education have to do it. It has had an impact on our local lacemakers who teach children lacemaking during holidays and after school since we have to supply a list of all volunteers if we are visiting a local school, however some of our country groups have discussed the issue with the local police who have given them general guild lines to work with. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am one of those computer programmers and math types. I love making Pag needlelace because of the logic and geometric properties of it. In this part of my career, I no longer program but the lace fills that spot. I have had the same experience with demonstrating, the little boys pick it up quickly. From: alexstillw...@talktalk.net alexstillw...@talktalk.net To: Arachne reply lace@arachne.com Cc: Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM Subject: [lace] Teaching children Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am one of those computer programmers and math types. I love making Pag needlelace because of the logic and geometric properties of it. In this part of my career, I no longer program but the lace fills that spot. I have had the same experience with demonstrating, the little boys pick it up quickly. From: alexstillw...@talktalk.net alexstillw...@talktalk.net To: Arachne reply lace@arachne.com Cc: Lyn Bailey lynrbai...@desupernet.net Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM Subject: [lace] Teaching children Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. Happy lacemaking Alex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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Dear Alex et al, Precisely. It could be an 'in' at schools. I have not had any close connection with school children for over 10 years, but girls especially are not inclined to math. Presenting lacemaking, especially bobbin lacemaking as a way to develop spatial thinking, (physics?) or patterns, or algorithms through the visual manipulation of bobbins, using thread, the traditional (though not unique) province of the female could be a powerful way to introduce lacemaking into the schools, or at least get them to allow a poster advertising classes. And for those of you with children looking for masters or doctoral theses, this would be a good place. I am a wiz with math without numbers, but my last math class was 46 years ago, and while I use math, I am not familiar with the terms. What are the fancy math terms that could be used to show this is a craft with skills useful to the the core curriculum of schools? A means to possible entice reluctant girls to develop the skills needed in math and some of the sciences? Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the weather continues hot, humid, and air conditioning is a blessing. Lyn wrote: Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. Alex wrote: I am sure you are right. The best lacemakers are computer programmers, maths graduates and architects and anything that develops judgement of space and line is bound to help. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I was lucky enough to demonstrate with my local group at a recent 'county' event. One of the group brought a 'have a go' pillow along and we asked anyone passing if they would like to try lacemaking. Adults and children alike tried the pillow. The adults would do a row and stop but the children wanted to keep going and had to be politely pulled away by their parents. There is something in lacemaking that children and young adults seem to be able to pick up quickly. I believe that no person who shows an interest in lacemaking should be turned away but I passionate believe that unless we can start lessons and clubs for children and young adults we will see this craft die in the next 10 to 20 years. Focusing on those who are retiring early, as was suggested to me because they have time and disposable income, is pointless in the UK as early retirement is becoming harder and harder. So this group is diminishing too. We must find a way to not merely super young Lacemakers but to actively increase them. I'm working with my local fibre store to run Saturday workshops for young adults. It gives us a ready made venue which is public and safe and not school nights easier to attend. I'm happy if we get new Lacemakers under the age of 25 and as we are a university town we have a big population in that demographic that we can pull on Kind Regards Liz Baker On 7 Jul 2013, at 06:51, alexstillw...@talktalk.net wrote: Hi Lyn Re: Subject: [lace] Ancillary to Teaching Lace to Children Teaching lace to children is part of the survival of lacemaking. I have always thought that lacemaking, especially geometric Torchon, has the ability to help the mind work mathematically.. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
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I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! It may be that those who are making the claims happen to have those skills, but being able to execute a lace pattern is not the same as making it a thing of beauty, which separates the competent lacemaker from the extraordinary one. And it take an artist to design the lace in the first place. I would like to suggest that teaching children to make lace would broaden their horizons in many ways, allowing the potentials with which they were born to develop. Clay - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
I no longer have a child in school, but I was talking to an elementary school teacher the other day. She made the interesting claim that now that penmanship is being de-emphasized in favor of key boarding, she observes that the children are not developing fine motor skills as in the past. In fact, she said some of them cannot even use scissors competently. I was actually never very good at penmanship myself, and wish they had abolished it earlier, but it is interesting to think that there might be a lot of people who are not developing fine motor skills as a result. Has this been observed by anyone else? Of course, nothing develops fine motor skills like lacemaking :-), so perhaps that is the in for the link to childhood education. On the other hand, if children are not developing fine motor skills, where will the lacemakers of tomorrow come from? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Dear Clay, et al, So, which horizons specifically would be broadened? If one is trying to promote lacemaking as a skill capable of developing other capabilities of the mind, to persuade educators and others to help with teaching children by promoting the craft, providing space, all that, one needs to be specific. Generalities do not work nearly as well in such an argument. lrb Clay wrote: I would like to suggest that teaching children to make lace would broaden their horizons in many ways, allowing the potentials with which they were born to develop. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children-Scandinavian schools
It seems as though Scandinavian schools, in the past at least, had a crafts curriculum. When I was young a girl moved to our neighborhood from Norway. She had a complete set of doll clothes that she had knitted. When I asked her about it, she said she had knitted them in school. Why don't we do things like this in our school, I recall thinking. Later, I met a lacemaker who was Scandinavian, and she said she had learned bobbin lace, and many other crafts, because her best friend's mother was the administrator in charge of hand crafts for the local school district. I recall thinking, wow, they actually have such a position in schools there. So, what is the educational justification that Scandinavians use, or used for this curriculum? Do they still do it? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
I wouldn't try to promote lacemaking as a way to develop other tangible life skills. The outcome is entirely dependent on the individual. What excites one person may drive another crazy. Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! Clay Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:48 AM, lynrbai...@desupernet.net wrote: Dear Clay, et al, So, which horizons specifically would be broadened? If one is trying to promote lacemaking as a skill capable of developing other capabilities of the mind, to persuade educators and others to help with teaching children by promoting the craft, providing space, all that, one needs to be specific. Generalities do not work nearly as well in such an argument. lrb Clay wrote: I would like to suggest that teaching children to make lace would broaden their horizons in many ways, allowing the potentials with which they were born to develop. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Hello Clay and everyone Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Yes, but didn't this start out as a conversation about how to make that choice available to children in the face of an unsympathetic school district that would not allow the posting of an A2 piece of paper announcing the availability of children's lace lessons? Devon Hello Clay and everyone Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Good evening I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our local garden centre which is really a converted greenhouse on what is probably the hottest weekend on this year's English summer and am happy to say that not only did we encourage one teenager yesterday to make a fish in lace and take home but today four children completed the fish as did one adult. There was lots of interest and we may well have a couple of ladies starting lace classes including the grandmother of the teenager from yesterday in the next couple of weeks with maybe more interested in starting in the future. The challenge is if they complete the fish they get to take it home to keep. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Regards Maureen E Yorks UK On 7 Jul 2013, at 19:47, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: Yes, but didn't this start out as a conversation about how to make that choice available to children in the face of an unsympathetic school district that would not allow the posting of an A2 piece of paper announcing the availability of children's lace lessons? Devon Hello Clay and everyone Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Well done! I hope they do come to your group. Joepie. -Original Message- From: Maureen Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 8:28 PM To: dmt11h...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Teaching children Good evening I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our local garden centre which is really a converted greenhouse on what is probably the hottest weekend on this year's English summer and am happy to say that not only did we encourage one teenager yesterday to make a fish in lace and take home but today four children completed the fish as did one adult. There was lots of interest and we may well have a couple of ladies starting lace classes including the grandmother of the teenager from yesterday in the next couple of weeks with maybe more interested in starting in the future. The challenge is if they complete the fish they get to take it home to keep. I am keeping my fingers crossed. Regards Maureen E Yorks UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching lace to children in school
Thanks to Lauren, who tipped me off that this discussion was going on! I don't know if my experiences and thoughts might be useful, but here they are, in no particular order: I teach students to use computers in a small, private elementary school. Because it is private, we are not tied to the test-driven curriculum teachers in public schools must work within--we get to decide what we think is important, and how to teach it. I am lucky enough to work with an experienced, creative, and open staff. In conjunction with the art teacher, I teach 4th and/or 5th graders a little basic bobbin lace once a year (It depends on the characteristics of the class exactly what we do and with which students). I've played with different projects--the fish is one I came up with several years ago. The last two years, we've made cloth-stich bracelets. The kids love it! I work in a little bit of history, tying it both to the Elizabethan age for 5th graders, since that's often a curriculum focus, and to colonial America, since the 4th graders usually study that time. I should add that the art teacher incorporates at least one fiber-arts technique project each year for each grade--embroidery, weaving She's also considered knitting and crochet, and might do those some year. What do the kids get out of it, other than the delight of creating something (in itself valuable)? As others have mentioned, fine motor skills is one important thing. The whole staff has observed a general deterioration of fine motor skills in the entering students over the years we've been teaching. (I should add that at this point, we are one of the schools that still teaches cursive, in addition to touch-typing.) We do our best to get them using scissors, tying knots, folding paper, drawing, painting, gluing, etc. I'm convinced, although I've not seen research to back this hunch up, that using the hands for fine-motor work develops brain structures that affect more abstract learning--spacial thinking in particular, although I suspect it's much broader. Here's another thought: This year, one of my students was autistic. He is highly intelligent in many ways, but struggles with certain kinds of learning and particularly with social skills and managing his emotions. We didn't know if the bobbin lace was going to be too frustrating, or if he'd just take to it's rhythm and enjoy it. It turned out the latter. In fact, his primary teacher, watching him with the project, observed she'd never seen him so contented. He was the easiest student in the class to teach. His mother was so thrilled to find an activity that keeps him happy, she went out and bought equipment (unfortunately, yes, the Horror Kit, before I had discussed it with her--but we salvaged the bobbins, and ignored the rest). She asked for a lesson with me so she could help him. I think we'll be continuing, adding skills as he likes, although he has now graduated from our school and will be going on to middle school next year. This experience makes me think one place we could look for interested teachers/students is the special-education programs working with autistic spectrum students. But I am lucky. I have enormous sympathy for the public school teachers who must give several precious weeks of teaching over to testing, and are often locked to a curriculum focused almost entirely on their students' performance on the tests. I think I have more to say on this topic, but I have to leave it for another post. --Julie E. in Seattle weft.wlonk.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children excample of success
Dear Maureen, Congratulations on a job well done. That took a lot of work, preparing and then being there, enticing, saying the right thing, encouraging. That is the way we will get our beloved craft/art to continue. Lyn Maureen wrote: I have spent the last two days demonstrating lacemaking at our local garden centre which is really a converted greenhouse on what is probably the hottest weekend on this year's English summer and am happy to say that not only did we encourage one teenager yesterday to make a fish in lace and take home but today four children completed the fish as did one adult. There was lots of interest and we may well have a couple of ladies starting lace classes including the grandmother of the teenager from yesterday in the next couple of weeks with maybe more interested in starting in the future. The challenge is if they complete the fish they get to take it home to keep. I am keeping my fingers crossed. My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote: I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! I've just logged on and yes I was totally affronted with that statement too. Let me put it in perspective I hold a PhD in Physics and I have taught physics for the last 20+ year to adults at university and children in high school. Good lacemakers are people who are naturally good at lacemaking REGARDLESS of other skills. One of the best lacemakers I know (her work is in the Powerhouse museum) is not mathematically great BUT she is trained in textiles and had spent her working life as a costume designer. I'm a good lacemaker BUT not the best. As an educator I hate cover all statements about ability in one area and success in another. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
Thanks, Anna!! I appreciate another voice who understands what I have said!! Generalities just don't apply to those who are skilled at making lace! Clay On 7/7/2013 8:03 PM, Anna Binnie wrote: On 7/07/13 11:13 PM, Clay Blackwell wrote: I am astonished that no one has challenged the notion that people with superior math/science/computer programming skills make the best lacemakers!! I've just logged on and yes I was totally affronted with that statement too. Let me put it in perspective I hold a PhD in Physics and I have taught physics for the last 20+ year to adults at university and children in high school. Good lacemakers are people who are naturally good at lacemaking REGARDLESS of other skills. One of the best lacemakers I know (her work is in the Powerhouse museum) is not mathematically great BUT she is trained in textiles and had spent her working life as a costume designer. I'm a good lacemaker BUT not the best. As an educator I hate cover all statements about ability in one area and success in another. Anna from a cold Sydney - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching children
If we get the lacemaking club to be on a par with the chess club, we will have succeeded beyond my wildest dreams. Probably beyond the wildest dreams of anyone. Let's begin by getting schools to allow a poster advertising a separate lace club. What skills does lacemaking develop that will benefit school age children? If you have an idea, please share. Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, enjoying the first cool weather in several days. Thunderstorms have their uses. Bev wrote: Yes, learning to make lace is best by choice. I like this : ... Don't let lacemaking go the same route as the forced piano lessons of childhood! / walker.b...@gmail.com My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Teaching lace to children
In the past I taught dozens of children from about age 5 years through teens to make bobbin lace. The most fun was with a group of 10 six grade boys. The teacher said Good Luck and closed the door! These 12-year old boys made their own lace tell and had great rhythm and were extremely proud of their finished product to take home at the end of the hour - and it was the easiest group I ever taught, much to the surprise of their teacher. About lace in Scandinavian school. I grew up in Denmark and did embroidery, knitting, crocheting, machine sewing, etc for an hour a week through junior high. Apparently I never had a teacher who knew how to make lace - I learned that later from my mother (who had learned it in school). I hear from my relatives it is no longer part of the curriculum in the public schools in Denmark. For the last 12 years several of us have demonstrated bobbin lace once a month at the Smithsonian American History Museum in Washington, DC. Our visitors come from all over the globe. A few have seen or heard of lace being made by hand, but most are amazed to see lace being made. The hands-on pillow always have eager participants, especially boys and girls, but also many adults of both sexes. It would be wonderful knowing if any of them ever follow up at home. Karen in Washington, DC - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching Lace to Children
Hello All Our group here in East Yorkshire have been demonstrating lace today and are back again tomorrow, at a Garden Centre in Dunswell, just outside of Hull. This morning we had a lady who was very interested, and we're keeping our fingers crossed that she takes it further... while she was chatting to Maureen, her son of around 14 was eyeing up the practice pillow after showing him what to do, we set him the challenge of finishing off the small piece of lace that was on there just a small 'fish' shape he finished it and was extremely proud to be able to take it home!!! With any luck it will stay with him for the rest of his life, that he CAN do something like this!!! Sue in a hot, sticky, East Yorkshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] ( lace) Teaching children lace
Well Done Sue!! Keep up the good work Daphne Norfolk Uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Teaching at IOLI convention
Hi Maria Janice's assessment of the 2012 teacher selection progress is correct. We have mostly finalized our list at this point, but thank you for your suggestion! Narrowing down which classes and teachers to feature is SO hard. There are so many amazing teachers out there! If only we had an unlimited budget :-) I hope you will take Janice's suggestion for contacting the IOLI for 2013 Thanks Amy O'Malley Chair, 2012 IOLI Convention in St. Paul, Minnesota Minnesota Lace Society omall...@umn.edu -- Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Janice Blair jbl...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [lace] Teaching at IOLI convention Maria wrote: Do you really mean she might be invited to teach in MN in 2012? Martina would love to. I would think that the hosts of the Minnesota convention have their teacher list for MN 2012 as they will be making their presentation at this years convention. 2013 might be possible though. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Teaching at IOLI convention
Maria wrote: Do you really mean she might be invited to teach in MN in 2012? Martina would love to. For those interested in having a look at Martina´s book, here is the link http://www.wolter-kampmann.de/verlag.html I wish you all a nice weekend ! I would think that the hosts of the Minnesota convention have their teacher list for MN 2012 as they will be making their presentation at this years convention. 2013 might be possible though. If anyone is interested in teaching at IOLI conventions, they should probably contact the Education Chair. That is Barbara Bulgarelli. The Education Committee have a database of teachers which is sent to future hosts if they request it. I think Martina could ask to be included in the database. You can get an email address for Barbara on the IOLI website on the Officers page at http://www.internationaloldlacers.org/officers.html The database is made up of teachers that have already taught at previous conventions, but there has to be a way to be included for those that have not done that yet. Barbara will tell you if I am wrong in my assumption. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] Teaching
Hello Clay and everyone else Clay you hit the nail on the head when you said you could possibly show a beginner how to make lace. Of course any of us can do that and it would keep the craft of lace alive if each of us only ever taught one new lacemaker. The rewards are tremendous, and I`m sure you could go on to teach more beginners.I have my own group here in Norwich UK where I started to teach beginners. After nine years those beginners are now really good lacemakers and although I teach beginners as well I am proud of my other ladies. Something I was told on holiday this year. We holidayed in the Scarborough area of North Yorkshire. One day we had a look around Thornton de dale when I spotted a craft shop. In I went expecting to see some lovely things and I was disappointed because other than clothes and tourist stuff the only craft was cardmaking. The lady came bustling over and said I have all my Christmas stock in, so have a good look. I said the only cards I make are lace ones. The lady said Lace Oh She went quiet for a few minutes then she said Oh so you are not into crafts then??? Calmly I said lets put it this way, my lacemaking is a craft! Funnily enough she did`nt speak to me after that. Daphne Dull grey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Teaching
On 27/09/2010 10:12, Daphne Martin wrote: Hello Clay and everyone else Clay you hit the nail on the head when you said you could possibly show a beginner how to make lace. Of course any of us can do that and it would keep the craft of lace alive if each of us only ever taught one new lacemaker. The rewards are tremendous, and I`m sure you could go on to teach more beginners.I have my own group here in Norwich UK where I started to teach beginners. After nine years those beginners are now really good lacemakers and although I teach beginners as well I am proud of my other ladies. Something I was told on holiday this year. We holidayed in the Scarborough area of North Yorkshire. One day we had a look around Thornton de dale when I spotted a craft shop. In I went expecting to see some lovely things and I was disappointed because other than clothes and tourist stuff the only craft was cardmaking. The lady came bustling over and said I have all my Christmas stock in, so have a good look. I said the only cards I make are lace ones. The lady said Lace Oh She went quiet for a few minutes then she said Oh so you are not into crafts then??? Calmly I said lets put it this way, my lacemaking is a craft! Funnily enough she did`nt speak to me after that. Daphne Dull grey Norfolk UK How infuriating to have our craft belittled like that. We often travel through Thornton le Dale so I may have to go into the craft shop (which one was it?) and say something, just to confirm to her that you're not a one-off. Lesley Marple, where it is also dull, and drizzling - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
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Just another thought... maybe this woman was so impressed that it was more on the line of lace being so much more impressive than *just* crafts.? Just a thought. bobbi How infuriating to have our craft belittled like that. We often travel through Thornton le Dale so I may have to go into the craft shop (which one was it?) and say something, just to confirm to her that you're not a one-off. Lesley Refinance Now 3.7% FIXED $160,000 Mortgage for $547/mo. FREE. No Obligation. Get 4 Quotes! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ca06553313c68cm04vuc - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
[lace] Teaching
Unfortunately because of the shopping channels crafting seems to be regarded as mainly card making with a bit of scrap booking thrown in and any other craft is disregarded. Not that there's anything wrong with either - I'm all for people doing something creative in any form - but I do wish they'd refer to them as paper crafting. Jean in Poole, Dorset. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
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It just goes to show.But they do have lace demonstrations in that general area so she obviously wasnt 'in the know'!! There are classes all around her!!! Maureen E Yorks - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Teaching more than one
Years ago I was told that each lacemaker should teach seven people. That way there's a good chance that at least one of those seven will continue with the art and teach others. Not everyone who learns the basic lessons becomes addicted. G Alice in Oregon who is addicted to lace and admits it. - Original Message - From: Daphne Martin ladylace...@msn.com Of course any of us can do that and it would keep the craft of lace alive if each of us only ever taught one new lacemaker. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Teaching
Daphne, You should have related that lacemaking is a fine art or fiber art. I, and many lacemakers in the USA, consider crafts differently than lacemaking. Cardmaking, wooden lawn orrnaments, box making, and the sort of things that can be sold at craft fairs as crafts. Do lacemakers go to craft fairs and/or set up tables at festivals to sell the fine lace that we have made? Can we make an effort to change lacemaking to a fine art instead of a craft? Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann Rice of Roanoke, Virginia USA, now in Virginia Beach for the week. Daphne of UK wrote: We holidayed in the Scarborough area of North Yorkshire. One day we had a look around Thornton de dale when I spotted a craft shop. In I went expecting to see some lovely things and I was disappointed because other than clothes and tourist stuff the only craft was cardmaking. The lady came bustling over and said I have all my Christmas stock in, so have a good look. I said the only cards I make are lace ones. The lady said Lace Oh She went quiet for a few minutes then she said Oh so you are not into crafts then??? Calmly I said lets put it this way, my lacemaking is a craft! Funnily enough she did`nt speak to me after that. Daphne Dull grey Norfolk UK How infuriating to have our craft belittled like that. We often travel through Thornton le Dale so I may have to go into the craft shop (which one was it?) and say something, just to confirm to her that you're not a one-off. Lesley Marple, where it is also dull, and drizzling - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Teaching
Hello Betty Ann and everyone They *could* - my introduction to lacemaking was seeing someone demonstrating it at a craft fair! I signed up for lessons (c. 1987). Some lacemakers make small lace items to sell for charity fund-raising. The word 'craft' has taken on different meanings. Because I make mostly other people's patterns, and often many times over (e.g. Christmas decorations), I practice the elegant *craft* of lacemaking ;) On 9/27/10, Clive Betty Rice dol...@verizon.net wrote: Do lacemakers go to craft fairs and/or set up tables at festivals to sell the fine lace that we have made? -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
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We have in the past discussed whether lacemaking is art or craft. For my two penn'th I'll suggest that it is craft when you are working a pattern designed by someone else, or an adaptation of another pattern, but art when you have designed and made the lace from scratch as a one-off piece. Much the same as painting by numbers on a pre-printed drawing is craft whilst sketching your own picture and then painting it is art. I think that the reason very few lacemakers sell their work is because of the time it takes to make it. A competent amateur artist could paint and frame a picture that would sell for 40-50 pounds in an afternoon. How much lace could you make in that time and would it sell for that sort of money? Brenda On 27 Sep 2010, at 15:03, Clive Betty Rice wrote: You should have related that lacemaking is a fine art or fiber art. I, and many lacemakers in the USA, consider crafts differently than lacemaking. Cardmaking, wooden lawn orrnaments, box making, and the sort of things that can be sold at craft fairs as crafts. Do lacemakers go to craft fairs and/or set up tables at festivals to sell the fine lace that we have made? Can we make an effort to change lacemaking to a fine art instead of a craft? Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.me.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com
Re: [lace] Teaching young people--resources
pene piip wrote: But Jo Edkin's has a wonderful site where you can learn all about bobbin lace. I know a tatter who has been teaching herself using this web-site. Jo Edkins' Lace School: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm I love Jo's site. This is where I have learned most of the lace-making skills I have (not many in only 18 months) I find the explanations so clear and the site very easy to navigate. I can always find exactly what I want very quickly. I definitely recomment it. Lesley - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Teaching young people--resources
Great idea, but not just for youngsters. I live in Spain and belong to a group of English ladies (most of us won´t see 60 again) who are all interested in crafts in general. Over the last 7 years I´ve introduced quite a few ladies to lacemaking and have developed a series of beginners patterns ensuring that each new stitch is incorporated into a usable piece of lace rather than a sample strip. I´ll be in touch to see if my patterns can be of use. Pam in very hot Vera Playa, Almeria, southern Spain So, I've created a collaborative site, and I hope some of you will be interested enough to lend a hand. At this point, it is awfully rudimentary--please don't be disappointed, but take that as an invitation to make it better! If many people contribute a little bit, we can develop a useful resource, that we can refine over time, to support informal teachers. (While anyone can see the site, you have to be invited to make changes to it, or upload resources. Just let me know if you'd like to be added as a collaborator.) https://sites.google.com/site/bobbinlaceteachingresource/ --Julie j.enevold...@wlonk.com weft.wlonk.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Teaching young people--resources
Devon's comment, ...This reflects another interesting thing that I am observing in young people who do want to use lace in art, which is that they don't have any money,... resonated with me. I have had a few college/high school/young adult aged students contact me, excited about the possibility of learning bobbin lace. Since I don't do much lace teaching, but I do want to encourage youngsters to learn lace making, I'm happy to teach them for free, but I do ask them to join the local lace group, even if they can't attend meetings at first. I want them to get connected with other resources as quickly as possible. One issue I ran into was the question of patterns for teaching. When I teach the 4th grade students bobbin lace art class, which lasts a few weeks, I have used the little fish pattern that I drew for our local group's have-a-go pillow. It's OK for children and fine for getting people a satisfying experience when demonstrating, but limited for more in-depth lessons. A book with a series of lessons for beginners would be a more appropriate source, and provide the student with at-home reference, as well. We've got some good choices available these days, but books cost money--sometimes, as noted above, an obstacle. While there are some very good resources online, they are somewhat scattered, and not all are easy to find. I think we'd be well served by supporting informal teachers; it's a way to hook some potential lacers who wouldn't, our couldn't, sign up for, or pay for, classes. I started thinking about a collaborative online teaching resource, a place to find systematically organized patterns and handouts an informal teacher could use under a Creative Commons license, and maybe a place for informal teachers to share ideas about what and how to teach. It seems likely that other informal teachers have made patterns and handouts they have no intention of publishing in a book or copyrighting. It can also provide links to the scattered resources I mentioned above. I don't think anything quite like this exists, yet, although many talented and generous people have shared patterns and instructions for some basic skills. I in no way want to undermine the people who do provide us with published books, but sometimes, for reasons of cost and availability, they aren't suitable. So, I've created a collaborative site, and I hope some of you will be interested enough to lend a hand. At this point, it is awfully rudimentary--please don't be disappointed, but take that as an invitation to make it better! If many people contribute a little bit, we can develop a useful resource, that we can refine over time, to support informal teachers. (While anyone can see the site, you have to be invited to make changes to it, or upload resources. Just let me know if you'd like to be added as a collaborator.) https://sites.google.com/site/bobbinlaceteachingresource/ --Julie j.enevold...@wlonk.com weft.wlonk.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Teaching young people--resources
Dear Julie and all lace friends, This is a laudable initiative and I congratulate you! Let us know how to add the info on our local groups, so I can add the Toronto Lacemakers' info and encourage the people from other groups in my area to put their details on your resource website. As to patterns for beginners, I'd suggest drafting practice strips in basic Torchon, that incorporate new elements and become gradually complex. These strips can be used as separators, bookmarks, etc. and if they involve the use of colour threads, more informative and visually appealing. Regarding the site's structure, I'd love seeing a brief section on bobbin lace history, materials (including a section on types of pillows), thread and thread selection (the why's of S and/or Z twist), how to make and store prickings, lace styles, make your own equipment ideas, etc. Another idea that I've seen on a bobbin lace website is to put animated renditions of stitches, like the basic cross - twist, cloth stitch, rose ground, guipure leaf, etc. Keep on the good work and let us know as the site evolves! Debora Lustgarten Toronto, Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
re:[lace] Teaching young people--resources
But Jo Edkin's has a wonderful site where you can learn all about bobbin lace. I know a tatter who has been teaching herself using this web-site. Jo Edkins' Lace School: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm Pene in Estonia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
re:[lace] Teaching young people--resources
Indeed, Jo's site is an excellent resource, and we should point people to it. But it's a little different from the project I'm envisioning; it's more aimed at the student, for one thing. I'm thinking more of a resource for teachers, and especially one that is collaborative. The purposes overlap, but they are not quite the same. Both are useful! But Jo Edkin's has a wonderful site where you can learn all about bobbin lace. I know a tatter who has been teaching herself using this web-site. Jo Edkins' Lace School: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm Pene in Estonia j.enevold...@wlonk.com weft.wlonk.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Teaching young people--resources
Dear Julie, What country are you writing from? Or did I miss it somewhere? Are you aware of the Young Lacemakers in the UK? The Lace Guild in the UK has been working with young people for years. April's minutes of the 34th Annual General Meeting gives the dues schedule for Young Lacemaker subscriptions: In British pounds: UK: 6.50 Europe: 10.00Overseas 12.00 Amounts are a fraction of regular subscriptions for adults. There are always projects on the web site; webmasters are Jean and David Leader. Everyone who has been on Arachne for any length of time will recognize their names. _www.laceguild.demon.co.uk/_ (http://www.laceguild.demon.co.uk/) Click on Young Lacemakers which is in the blue band of selections at the top of the home page. And have a look. It seems to me that I read in the most recent Lace magazine that a special effort is about to be made to make this education program stronger. It should be reassuring to you that there are 4 issues/year of a magazine for young people who wish to make lace. It would be nice if the structure of this organization is such that teachers could volunteer to make it a stronger option for young people. This way, there would be no need to start something new; just make what is already available more pertinent for younger lacemakers. Someone from The Lace Guild's leadership will surely weigh in on this subject. The Guild actually has a paid staff, lace collection, and library on-site in a building they own. Advantages are existing leadership and professionalism -- The Lace Guild is a registered charity and accredited museum. They are always seeking volunteers. To build on something already in place sounds practical and would have a stronger presence in the international lace community, because it is not dependent on just one well-meaning person who will have life's usual interruptions and obligations. What do others think of this option? Feasible? Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 8/24/2010 1:35:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, j.enevold...@wlonk.com writes: I in no way want to undermine the people who do provide us with published books, but sometimes, for reasons of cost and availability, they aren't suitable. So, I've created a collaborative site, and I hope some of you will be interested enough to lend a hand. At this point, it is awfully rudimentary--please don't be disappointed, but take that as an invitation to make it better! If many people contribute a little bit, we can develop a useful resource, that we can refine over time, to support informal teachers. (While anyone can see the site, you have to be invited to make changes to it, or upload resources. Just let me know if you'd like to be added as a collaborator.) https://sites.google.com/site/bobbinlaceteachingresource/ --Julie j.enevold...@wlonk.com weft.wlonk.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Teaching method/was fiber familiarity
When I have groups of students at my school I begin with a sampler of different stitches to analyse the structural qualities and visual effects of each so that the students begin to build a vocabulary of stitches with which they will express their own ideas. Then I pass immediately to an analysis of how to construct individual moftifs and each student chooses a form and has to use their vocabulary to fill it in, it is a very free exercise of drawing with threads, from there I pass to techniques for joining such pieces together and in the second half of the course we look at the more complicated task of working the ground and motifs together. I have had very good results with this approach and in the coming years I hope that my students will begin to contribute to the various competitions that are around. When you do your beginning sampler, do you go beyond half stitch, whole stitch and linen stitch to include grounds such as Dieppe Ground, or Paris Ground? Are the individual motifs constructed in the way of a tape lace, worked horizontally, or do you incorporate grounds, such as the Dieppe Ground, as in, making a tape and filling it with a ground? Where does plaiting come in? I find young people are very interested in Russian lace grounds since you can get a very elaborate look with a minimum of skills. Your approach sounds fascinating. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] teaching beginners: many thanks!
Dear all, Many thanks for all the helpful comments and suggestions on teaching bobbin lace to beginners, both here on the list and via off-list e-mail. I will be writing individually shortly, however I wanted to say a public thank you first. I just this minute got a copy of the Fouriscot book I had asked about, as well as the first volume of Brulet. Fouriscot is certainly a very good book to use while teaching someone, I think Brulet would be very good for someone teaching themselves or learning with only rare contact with a teacher. However, I think I'll probably be using both of them, as the use of colored threads in Brulet makes it easy to see where the different threads go. Our lace sessions are really catch-as-catch can and limited in time, unfortunately, as we are working on lunch breaks when none of us are travelling or under major time pressure at work. Again, many thanks! Best regards Elizabeth - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] teaching beginners
Have you thought of selecting one of the beginner books (something you already own and they could purchase too) and work through the progression in the book. Also an exercise using different color thread on each pair as they work through the various 'stitches and edge techniques' is a good learning tool. They can see just how each pair/thread moves. Lorri - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Shippmailto:ship...@googlemail.com To: lace@arachne.commailto:lace@arachne.com Sent: 04/06/2010 5:18 AM Subject: [lace] teaching beginners Hi all, I have two colleagues who have now started bobbin lace and want to continue. I started each of them with cloth stitch (CTC), just making a narrow strip to get the movements and the rules of bobbin lace down. I'm not sure that I am the best teacher they could have, as once I had had the first couple lessons I just jumped in at the deep end and started splashing around with great abandon. My planning for these ladies is, more or less in this order: - cloth stitch ground (already introduced) - whole stitch (CTCT) - trading working and footside pairs - half-stitch ground (CT) - braids / plaits (CTCT ad infinitum) - various other grounds as needed for their chosen laces; one colleague has chosen Bucks/Bayeux, one has yet to choose as she just started today - gimps - working through a series of patterns in their chosen lace(s), introducing new techniques Does this sound like a reasonable progression? Am I leaving anything out? Thanks for your help! Best regards Elizabeth - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.commailto:majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.heremailto:y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.commailto:arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
