RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi, Another problem with lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll off the screen. True, that's becoming an issue with the shorwall package. Someone having a solution for it? Not really a solution, but coming in using PuTTY on a WinXP box, making the terminal window full screen allows you to have many more rows/columns available. Also, Shift+PgUp/PgDn allows you to see the hidden options. James. The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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cpu memhd wrote:
|_null=/dev/null 21
|
|if mount.back $pkgname $pkgmnt $_null ; then
| lrcfg.back.script $pkgname ON ON Full
| umount $pkgmnt $_null
|else
| echo Could not mount backup device.
| sleep 2
|fi
|
|
| You know, I realized you can't put redirection in a variable this way a
| long time ago, don't know where my head was. Might there be some other
| way to do this?
Use eval (and be careful with your quoting! Bonus points for explaining why
the output redirect below has to be in the quotes, but the input redirect
can't):
_null=/dev/null 21
eval cat $_null EOF
~ This goes to the bit-bucket!
EOF
But why not just use the mechanism *ALREADY* in place for discarding output,
the 'qt' (or Quiet) function:
from /bin/POSIXness
qt () { $@ /dev/null 21 ; }
...and it's friend, qte (swallows error out, but leaves main out alone):
qte () { $@ 2/dev/null ; }
Use it like so:
if qt mount.back $pkgname $pkgmnt ; then
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Charles,
I use the svi command all the time. I added kernel support for the vga=
option a long time ago, w00t! My console is set at 30 lines. Though I
use putty mostly.
Regarding the scroll back function, do you know how to increase the
buffer size?
I should mention, I really don't use lrcfg for anything other than my
own custom packages. About 97% of my config files are extracted on the
fly with a utility I wrote in awk. My entire shorewall config is in one
file, as well as a good percentage of my etc config files. Hell, even
my shorewall actions are created on the fly depending on whether or not
they're specified in rules.
Anyway, my original lrcfg backup modification was a bit simplistic,
plus it made some false assumptions... and it used an external
script... and you couldn't backup etc.lrp. I just redid it. Use at your
own risk, I'm still testing.
Usage: type the letter b from within a package config menu, or
Network or System config.
Limitations: writes to temp; writes are confirmed; only does Full
backups.
You can paste this right after the case $OPT in line in
/usr/sbin/lrcfg.conf:
b|B )
pkgconf=$3
if [ $pkgconf = '$LRPKG/etc.net.conf' ] || \
[ $pkgconf = '$LRPKG/etc.sys.conf' ]; then
pkgconf=etc.conf
elif [ `dirname $pkgconf` = '$LRPKG' ]; then
echo Not a package.
sleep 1
continue
fi
pkgmnt=$LRPKG/mnt
pkgname=${pkgconf#$LRPKG/}
pkgname=${pkgname%.conf}
_null=/dev/null 21
if mount.back $pkgname $pkgmnt $_null ; then
lrcfg.back.script $pkgname ON ON Full
umount $pkgmnt $_null
else
echo Could not mount backup device.
sleep 2
fi
;;
Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
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Eric Spakman wrote:
| Hello cpu,
|
|Anyhow, I feel that lrcfg is in need of a major overhaul. I?m sure
many
|will disagree, but, you can?t start/stop services from within
lrcfg.
|
| That would be a nice addition.
There's the command-line svi, but you can't call this while inside
lrcfg.
|And it would be nice to be able to save a package while in a
package
|menu (incidentally, I added this capability :).
|
| Why not share your work with the community ;-)
This does sound handy.
|Another problem with
|lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll
off
|the screen.
|
| True, that's becoming an issue with the shorwall package. Someone
having a
solution for it?
I use ssh, and just drag the window to a larger size. :-)
If you're stuck at the (real) console screen, shiftpage-up still
works.
Also, you can always pass vga=whatever to the kernel (assuming this
functionality has been left in the Bering kernels) to get more
characters on
the screen. There's probably a way to do this at runtime as well,
but it's
been so long since I messed with an actual console (most of my
systems are
now headless with serial terminal consoles BIOS redirection) I
don't
remember how...
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_null=/dev/null 21
if mount.back $pkgname $pkgmnt $_null ; then
lrcfg.back.script $pkgname ON ON Full
umount $pkgmnt $_null
else
echo Could not mount backup device.
sleep 2
fi
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You know, I realized you can't put redirection in a variable this way a
long time ago, don't know where my head was. Might there be some other
way to do this?
Here's how this part of the script should have been (now more ugly):
First, delete this stupid thing: _null=/dev/null 21
then
if mount.back $pkgname $pkgmnt /dev/null 21 ; then
lrcfg.back.script $pkgname ON ON Full
umount $pkgmnt /dev/null 21
else
echo Could not mount backup device.
sleep 2
fi
:)
cpu memhd wrote:
Charles,
I use the svi command all the time. I added kernel support for the
vga=
option a long time ago, w00t! My console is set at 30 lines. Though I
use putty mostly.
Regarding the scroll back function, do you know how to increase the
buffer size?
I should mention, I really don't use lrcfg for anything other than my
own custom packages. About 97% of my config files are extracted on the
fly with a utility I wrote in awk. My entire shorewall config is in
one
file, as well as a good percentage of my etc config files. Hell, even
my shorewall actions are created on the fly depending on whether or
not
they're specified in rules.
Anyway, my original lrcfg backup modification was a bit simplistic,
plus it made some false assumptions... and it used an external
script... and you couldn't backup etc.lrp. I just redid it. Use at
your
own risk, I'm still testing.
Usage: type the letter b from within a package config menu, or
Network or System config.
Limitations: writes to temp; writes are confirmed; only does Full
backups.
You can paste this right after the case $OPT in line in
/usr/sbin/lrcfg.conf:
b|B )
pkgconf=$3
if [ $pkgconf = '$LRPKG/etc.net.conf' ] || \
[ $pkgconf = '$LRPKG/etc.sys.conf' ]; then
pkgconf=etc.conf
elif [ `dirname $pkgconf` = '$LRPKG' ]; then
echo Not a package.
sleep 1
continue
fi
pkgmnt=$LRPKG/mnt
pkgname=${pkgconf#$LRPKG/}
pkgname=${pkgname%.conf}
_null=/dev/null 21
if mount.back $pkgname $pkgmnt $_null ; then
lrcfg.back.script $pkgname ON ON Full
umount $pkgmnt $_null
else
echo Could not mount backup device.
sleep 2
fi
;;
Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
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Eric Spakman wrote:
| Hello cpu,
|
|Anyhow, I feel that lrcfg is in need of a major overhaul. I?m sure
many
|will disagree, but, you can?t start/stop services from within
lrcfg.
|
| That would be a nice addition.
There's the command-line svi, but you can't call this while inside
lrcfg.
|And it would be nice to be able to save a package while in a
package
|menu (incidentally, I added this capability :).
|
| Why not share your work with the community ;-)
This does sound handy.
|Another problem with
|lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll
off
|the screen.
|
| True, that's becoming an issue with the shorwall package. Someone
having a
solution for it?
I use ssh, and just drag the window to a larger size. :-)
If you're stuck at the (real) console screen, shiftpage-up still
works.
Also, you can always pass vga=whatever to the kernel (assuming this
functionality has been left in the Bering kernels) to get more
characters on
the screen. There's probably a way to do this at runtime as well,
but it's
been so long since I messed with an actual console (most of my
systems are
now headless with serial terminal consoles BIOS redirection) I
don't
remember how...
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Hello cpu, That would be nice but I don't think a 'small' script would be enough and we really don't have the time to create such an installer. But if someone on this list can create a generic installer, independent of a specific Bering(-uClibc) version which can be used on both linux and Windows, that would be interesting. Eric Eric, I understand, but a small installation script could solve these problems. -cpu Eric Spakman wrote: It would be nice if that was possible, but unfortuanatly like Luis told, it's not that easy. For example, we don't know which device is the bootdevice, hda1, hdb1, something else? In my case it's hdc1. So editing leaf.cfg and syslinux.cfg is still needed. An other problem is how to put the image on the CF, with 'dd'? That's really a strange UNIX command. I'm also not sure if the size of the image must be the same as the CF size. Eric __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Message truncated. Tap Edit-Mark for Download to get remaining portion.] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Ciprian, snip also i don't understand the logic in having syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg, i presume that leaf.cfg loads after the root remount. Syslinux.cfg is the bootloader config file, which is needed for booting to be possible (same as grub or lilo configuration). The config file is limited in options and possibilites, that's why the leaf.cfg file is also used to do the things that aren't possible in a bootloader config file. Eric --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hello James, Another feature we're looking at adding is multicast routing across VPN tunnels. This will allow mDNS and other zero conf stuff to work across our big net and switch on iTunes sharing between our subnets. I think. :S That all seems still very bleeding edge in Linux. Is there an mrouted.lrp about? There is no mrouted package, it also wouldn't be very helpful because mrouted is not enabled in the kernel config. I won't call it very bleeding edge, the last mroute source update is from around 2001 ;-) Eric Spakman --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hello cpu, Anyhow, I feel that lrcfg is in need of a major overhaul. Im sure many will disagree, but, you cant start/stop services from within lrcfg. That would be a nice addition. And it would be nice to be able to save a package while in a package menu (incidentally, I added this capability :). Why not share your work with the community ;-) Another problem with lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll off the screen. True, that's becoming an issue with the shorwall package. Someone having a solution for it? Eric Spakman --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eric Spakman wrote: | Hello cpu, | |Anyhow, I feel that lrcfg is in need of a major overhaul. I?m sure many |will disagree, but, you can?t start/stop services from within lrcfg. | | That would be a nice addition. There's the command-line svi, but you can't call this while inside lrcfg. |And it would be nice to be able to save a package while in a package |menu (incidentally, I added this capability :). | | Why not share your work with the community ;-) This does sound handy. |Another problem with |lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll off |the screen. | | True, that's becoming an issue with the shorwall package. Someone having a solution for it? I use ssh, and just drag the window to a larger size. :-) If you're stuck at the (real) console screen, shiftpage-up still works. Also, you can always pass vga=whatever to the kernel (assuming this functionality has been left in the Bering kernels) to get more characters on the screen. There's probably a way to do this at runtime as well, but it's been so long since I messed with an actual console (most of my systems are now headless with serial terminal consoles BIOS redirection) I don't remember how... - -- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCyvU/LywbqEHdNFwRAtW1AKC8AS5FxLyqdg6lwlDzHW2yc9egfQCgi4tz RONLcDCQaP1irrbCdAIWeH0= =4n3W -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hello Charles, | |Anyhow, I feel that lrcfg is in need of a major overhaul. I?m sure many |will disagree, but, you can?t start/stop services from within lrcfg. | | That would be a nice addition. There's the command-line svi, but you can't call this while inside lrcfg. Indeed. Just adding an other option to lrcfg (to call svi with the right init.d file) is also a difficult option. You can't predict what the exact name of the script is and you don't even know if the package even contain a daemon or init script. The webconf package has such an option and some code to find the correct init script. Maybe it can be borrowed from there. |And it would be nice to be able to save a package while in a package |menu (incidentally, I added this capability :). | | Why not share your work with the community ;-) This does sound handy. |Another problem with |lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll off |the screen. | | True, that's becoming an issue with the shorwall package. Someone having a solution for it? I use ssh, and just drag the window to a larger size. :-) Me too ;-) But I can imagine that for initial setup it can be handy, although setting up ssh (dropbear) is the first thing I do. If you're stuck at the (real) console screen, shiftpage-up still works. Also, you can always pass vga=whatever to the kernel (assuming this functionality has been left in the Bering kernels) to get more characters on the screen. There's probably a way to do this at runtime as well, but it's been so long since I messed with an actual console (most of my systems are now headless with serial terminal consoles BIOS redirection) I don't remember how... The 'vga' kernel option isn't available in the Bering(-uClibc) kernels anymore, both because of size and there isn't a real need if one is using ssh. So the 'issue' is mainly cosmetical. Eric Spakman - -- Charles Steinkuehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCyvU/LywbqEHdNFwRAtW1AKC8AS5FxLyqdg6lwlDzHW2yc9egfQCgi4tz RONLcDCQaP1irrbCdAIWeH0= =4n3W -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hello there.. I am in the process of building a site in order to monitor health and connectivity and services of other friend sites. Pretty much like http://websitepulse.com . This will include HTTP, HTTPS, ftp, SMTP, POP etc ( user defined ). This mainly will involve a lot of wget usage. Any ideas around the above aspect will be wellcomed and appreciated. One of the problems I am faced with is the routing problem. I am planning to use an LRP box with 2-3 aDSL lines on it from different ISPs. One question would be: Is there a way that a different line would be used every time the system monitors a random site ? One answer is to place a job in crontab file and change the default gateway say every hour which I dont like that much. What I would like is, based upon which site I am about to monitor to select the appropriate default gw pretty much like wget was running on the LRP box with the option ---bind-address=ADDRESS When making client TCP/IP connections, bind() to ADDRESS on the local machine. ADDRESS may be specified as a hostname or IP address. This option can be useful if your machine is bound to multiple IPs But wget is not supposed to run on the LRP box. Thanks in advance for any ideas or help. Harry. http://www.freemail.gr - äùñåÜí õðçñåóßá çëåêôñïíéêïý ôá÷õäñïìåßïõ. http://www.freemail.gr - free email service for the Greek-speaking. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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i double check, all seems ok, can someone confirm the packages to install, link and stuff, coz i don't see whats the problem c KP Kirchdoerfer wrote: Am Freitag 01 Juli 2005 01:00 schrieb Ciprian Niculescu: i had some time to retry, and found that was (at first) a mbr/partition_id problem, had some bsd on that flash, and i did not recreate the partition_id (o option in fdisk), now he boot, but hangs with: can't open /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.own, kernel panic he do that after loading the packages specified in syslinux.cfg, also i get unresolved symbol last ones are ide-detect.o, isofs.o Maybe you accidently mixed kernel and initrd version? If the above modules are not loaded you can't access your hd - which explains any further errors. also at loading the syslinux.cfg modules he say linuxrc: installing ... root: root(nf!) , the nf means not found? yes. kp --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi! -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Luis, I know I didn't mention it, but I'm referring to linux n00bs actually. There are plenty of knowlegdable windows and old school dos users who could easily get around a leaf box if they had the patients to set one up. I spent two days trying to get my leaf box to boot. The problem? CR+LFs in leaf.cfg. Not that I didn't know unix used LFs, I simply assumed that because syslinux.cfg didn't mind a CR+LF, why should leaf.cfg? -cpu Well, I'm a windows administrator and Old School DOS advanced used... but I read the docs most of the time! leaf.cfg will not work with CRLF because it is not just a simple text file, it is sourced, just like any other unix script. I 'think' it is somewhere in the documentation... Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Am Freitag 01 Juli 2005 01:00 schrieb Ciprian Niculescu: i had some time to retry, and found that was (at first) a mbr/partition_id problem, had some bsd on that flash, and i did not recreate the partition_id (o option in fdisk), now he boot, but hangs with: can't open /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.own, kernel panic he do that after loading the packages specified in syslinux.cfg, also i get unresolved symbol last ones are ide-detect.o, isofs.o Maybe you accidently mixed kernel and initrd version? If the above modules are not loaded you can't access your hd - which explains any further errors. also at loading the syslinux.cfg modules he say linuxrc: installing ... root: root(nf!) , the nf means not found? yes. kp --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 00:08 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Adam; You need a Linux workstation; then you have to checkout buildtool from cvs, running buildtool build buildenv and patience . That way you get a complete setup to compile and build packages for Bering-uClibc or just to modify the current setups (like ulogd). I agree the buildtool* files, something you can think about as meta-files to control the process of compiling and packaging, aren't easy to read and understand for non-programmers - but I've made the experience, once you got it, it is more or less just cut'n'paste to create new setups for lrp. For your purpose getting a working buildtool environment and following Eric's hint's below should allow you to build an ulogd fitting your needs... (short recipe: buildtool.pl build ulogd change buildtool.mk for ulogd as noted by Eric buildtool.pl buildclean ulogd buildtool.pl build ulogd fakeroot buildpackage.pl --package=ulogd scp to your route the new ulogd.lrp) Don't hesitate to ask, if you're running into pb's - it will only help to improve common knowledge (and if necessary) the documentation. kp Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing
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Hi KP, Yup I've just started going over what information I can find, my first question (I know this is going to sound soo lame) but you say Linux workstation, is there any specific one, do I HAVE to use debian? and if so can I use the latest version or do I have to track down slink? I do know my way around linux and have no issues compiling build other apps on linux, so far the docco seems straight forward although it reads as there is a fair bit of assumed knowledge. (just missing the assumed stuff of grab X version of linux and install, etc). I'll have a play and see how I go :) Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: KP Kirchdoerfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 00:08 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Adam; You need a Linux workstation; then you have to checkout buildtool from cvs, running buildtool build buildenv and patience . That way you get a complete setup to compile and build packages for Bering-uClibc or just to modify the current setups (like ulogd). I agree the buildtool* files, something you can think about as meta-files to control the process of compiling and packaging, aren't easy to read and understand for non-programmers - but I've made the experience, once you got it, it is more or less just cut'n'paste to create new setups for lrp. For your purpose getting a working buildtool environment and following Eric's hint's below should allow you to build an ulogd fitting your needs... (short recipe: buildtool.pl build ulogd change buildtool.mk for ulogd as noted by Eric buildtool.pl buildclean ulogd buildtool.pl build ulogd fakeroot buildpackage.pl --package=ulogd scp to your route the new ulogd.lrp) Don't hesitate to ask, if you're running into pb's - it will only help to improve common knowledge (and if necessary) the documentation. kp Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get
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Hi Adam; Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 09:28 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi KP, Yup I've just started going over what information I can find, my first question (I know this is going to sound soo lame) but you say Linux workstation, is there any specific one, do I HAVE to use debian? and if so can I use the latest version or do I have to track down slink? I used buildtool with Suse 9.x and Ubuntu, other team members run Debian and RedHat/Fedora - choose what you like. There may be issues with 2.6 kernel based distributions, but they can/should be solved. For shure you do not have to go with slink - that was a must-have of a Debian glibc 2.0.7 based version to build glibc-based LEAF versions. Bering-uClibc is based on uClibc, and the concept of buildtool is to provide an environment allowing you to compile and package for Bering-uClibc regardless the Linux OS you run it on. kp --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi, One tricky thing I've found as a Windows LEAF user is the wall of choice when it comes to picking which Linux distro to add to my WinXP machine for the purpose of building for LEAF. I've tried Mandrake, one for non technical users, and I was baffled, it was vast! With LEAF I know where everything is! Is there not a nice, simple, Linux distro like LEAF but for desktop machines about? All I want to do is run the buildtool. Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? Full blown distros have them. Maybe we then just hit the problem of if you need that sort of support why not just buy a home cable/DSL router and be done. :\ ...I'll go back in my cupboard shall I? Ta, Jim. -Original Message- From: KP Kirchdoerfer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2005 08:57 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi Adam; Am Donnerstag 30 Juni 2005 09:28 schrieb Adam Niedzwiedzki: Hi KP, Yup I've just started going over what information I can find, my first question (I know this is going to sound soo lame) but you say Linux workstation, is there any specific one, do I HAVE to use debian? and if so can I use the latest version or do I have to track down slink? I used buildtool with Suse 9.x and Ubuntu, other team members run Debian and RedHat/Fedora - choose what you like. There may be issues with 2.6 kernel based distributions, but they can/should be solved. For shure you do not have to go with slink - that was a must-have of a Debian glibc 2.0.7 based version to build glibc-based LEAF versions. Bering-uClibc is based on uClibc, and the concept of buildtool is to provide an environment allowing you to compile and package for Bering-uClibc regardless the Linux OS you run it on. kp The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi, Yeah, I kinda guessed that would be the problem. :) And I wasn't suggesting a replacement to developing on full-blown linux, just an alternative for poor Windows bound fools! Wish I could help, but I just seem to find *nix as impenetrable as lead. My HDD blew on Sunday, so I guess it's time for my annual attempt-to-get-to-grips-with-linux session when the replacement turns up. Maybe I'll save up for a separate PC for it, I hate dual-boot. Thanks, Jim. -Original Message- From: Martin Hejl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2005 11:46 To: James Neave Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi James, Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. That would surely be possible (it has actually been discussed a long time ago to use knoppix or something like that as a base). But it mainly comes down to the fact that there's no way that we could do that without having significantly more manpower. And speaking for myself, I very much like to be able to work on leaf on my Linux desktop, without having to boot some special build distro (but this obviously only applies if one already has a Linux desktop to begin with). And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? If somebody wrote one, indeed it would be possible. Remember, we're all doing this in our spare time, and there's only so much one can do in a given amount of time. Full blown distros have them. Indeed they do - but they're also maintained by more than a handful of people. If I (or the others from the Bering uClibc crew) could work on LEAF during my day job, a lot of things would be possible that aren't possible right now, due to the lack of manpower. I hope that clarifies a bit. Martin The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Martin Hejl wrote: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 12:45:32 +0200 From: Martin Hejl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: James Neave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi James, Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. That would surely be possible (it has actually been discussed a long time ago to use knoppix or something like that as a base). But it mainly comes down to the fact that there's no way that we could do that without having significantly more manpower. And speaking for myself, I very much like to be able to work on leaf on my Linux desktop, without having to boot some special build distro (but this obviously only applies if one already has a Linux desktop to begin with). And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? If somebody wrote one, indeed it would be possible. Remember, we're all doing this in our spare time, and there's only so much one can do in a given amount of time. Full blown distros have them. Indeed they do - but they're also maintained by more than a handful of people. If I (or the others from the Bering uClibc crew) could work on LEAF during my day job, a lot of things would be possible that aren't possible right now, due to the lack of manpower. I hope that clarifies a bit. Martin --- Hi Martin For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! http://xen.sf.net/ redirects to home in Cambridge England. http://www.xensource.com/ Provides comercial support for Xen. Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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At 05:54 AM 6/30/2005, you wrote: Maybe I'll save up for a separate PC for it, I hate dual-boot. I have had success with Cooperative Linux (coLinux) on my Win2K workstation. Ends up being a console window on the desktop. From that I've launched VNC server and the used a WinVNC client into an X Windows Session. Used the Gentoo distribution and just had a ball. Take a look here http://www.colinux.org/ if you're M$ bound. As Always... Dennis S --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi Larry, If you're already running Linux there is no need for something like UML or XEN. Buildtool will run natively on the distro. Why would you run buildtool in a linux UML environment which runs on linux ;-) Eric Hi Martin For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! http://xen.sf.net/ redirects to home in Cambridge England. http://www.xensource.com/ Provides comercial support for Xen. Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi Larry, For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Well, those who are already running linux don't rally have a problem, since buildtool already runs on linux. So UML of Xen would not really solve the problem that people want to have a build environment for leaf despite running only windows - at least that was my understanding of the problem at hand. Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! Indeed - to me, it's actually the only real problem. Everyting else are technical problems (or simply code that still needs to be written), which could most likely be worked out, if the right people had time to work on them. Martin --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi James and others, One tricky thing I've found as a Windows LEAF user is the wall of choice when it comes to picking which Linux distro to add to my WinXP machine for the purpose of building for LEAF. Well, we are developing a new branch for Lince based on GNAP (Gentoo Network Appliances) They provide pretty much info regarding a build environment (of course not just a Live CD :)) Would it be feasible to create another LEAF branch but one for running buildtool and creating the disk image, not for actually being a firewall/router device? A bootable CD perhaps. Or a USB mass storage device. That would be perfect. A Bering-uClibc compile environment on a USB data key. Sure, as others have commented, the main problem is lack of time. In our case we have decided to departure completelly from debian as all our systems run Gentoo and we need to have a virtual machine just to keep compiling for Lince :) And speaking of idiot images for CF/HDDs. If it's not possible to have a generic image because of the many different hardware configurations out there, would it not be possible to create an installer? Full blown distros have them. Maybe we then just hit the problem of if you need that sort of support why not just buy a home cable/DSL router and be done. :\ Well, the first Lince version was more or less that without the installer. You had all in an iso image and was quite easy to install (we even made it bootable, you just needed to choose where to write the image :)) In our case, we didnt invest any time on hardware detection as all our boxes are pretty much the same. So we are about to release the new version of Lince, but before we have to solve a problem we have encountered with NAPI suppor on realtek chipsets. It seems realtek doesnt use NAPI on 2.4 but we have found a patch that includes that functionality. The problem is, after some testing we dont see any difference with / without NAPI and we dont know if the patch is wrong or we are doing something wrong and are not activating this feature. Any help on that will accelerate the public day :) Questions: * How do we know if NAPI is being used? * Is this patch working for anybody? * Will upgrading to kernel 2.6 solve this NAPI problem on realteks? Very thankful in advance. Regards PS.- Realtek NAPI Patch ftp://ftp.ovh.net/made-in-ovh/kernel/ -- Jaime Nebrera - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Consultor TI - ENEO Tecnologia SL Telf.- 95 455 40 62 - 619 04 55 18 --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi Eric and Martin, Sorry I was not thinking clearly when sent email! I am glad that buildtool works from current linux distros. I went to bed just after sending the email. Hope you day went well! On Thu, 30 Jun 2005, Eric Spakman wrote: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:25:11 +0200 From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi Larry, If you're already running Linux there is no need for something like UML or XEN. Buildtool will run natively on the distro. Why would you run buildtool in a linux UML environment which runs on linux ;-) Eric Hi Martin For those who are running linux how about a UML or Xen image? Still at this point manpower shortage is a big problem! http://xen.sf.net/ redirects to home in Cambridge England. http://www.xensource.com/ Provides comercial support for Xen. Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ Larry Platzek [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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i had some time to retry, and found that was (at first) a mbr/partition_id problem, had some bsd on that flash, and i did not recreate the partition_id (o option in fdisk), now he boot, but hangs with: can't open /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.own, kernel panic he do that after loading the packages specified in syslinux.cfg, also i get unresolved symbol last ones are ide-detect.o, isofs.o also at loading the syslinux.cfg modules he say linuxrc: installing ... root: root(nf!) , the nf means not found? also i don't understand the logic in having syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg, i presume that leaf.cfg loads after the root remount. i do use the initrd-ide-cd... lrp, i have hdc1 in syslinux and leaf any ideea, other than follow the scripts/lrps and see where it gets stuck? a doc of how its organized those packages would be usefful, detailed i mean, is the developer doc? and in the end i use Bering-uClibc 2.3.3..beta (or something) looks nice, but its just me that have always problems :)) c giovanni wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I use Bering 1.0 stable on that machine. There are some issues: read carefully the manual that explains how to boot from the ide (it is on the second IDE iface but at boot time it is viewed as the first) This affects ALL booting from IDE disks/flash on that machine: luckily this may be the default setting. On syslinux.cfg you must address as: boot=/dev/hdc1:msdos PKGPATH=/dev/hdc1 Remember that you need ide modules into initd.lrp (to make this you must uncompress initrd.lrp then mount as loop the uncompressed image ancd then put ide-mod.o ide-disk.o ide-probe-mod.o into the directory mountpoint/boot/lib/modules and their names into the file mountpoint/boot/etc/modules then umount and recompress) This for bering 1.0-stable: it is so stable that I'm not planning to use a newer one for the moment. Hope this can help Giovanni ciprian niculescu wrote: i dont find the reference, but the chipset is via vt8601A with a via c3 eden cpu http://www.silink.fr/produits/docs/stc_net.pdf i tried to boot from the flash disk, when i have time i said ill try with a standard ide drive, and/or put another linux on it debian/rh as i boot on pxe so i can do a standard linux install any help on why the flash don't boot, or at least how to check more deeplly, would be nice C cpu memhd wrote: Hello Cirian, which lex system do you have? Sorry it didn’t work out. I must admit, getting leaf to boot of an ide device was a pain for me. Honestly, it took several days, lots of hours. Of course, once you figure it out, it is much too easy. -cpu ciprian niculescu wrote: i coulndt get it to work, the only answer that i got was to RTFM, i did i reask still nothing, so ill put debian :P but leaf sounded nice c P.S. with this small amount of mails i forgot to unsubscribe :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCwSwH8hC8JHP3DDQRAr//AKCYGu10jB1GhabozB6glQHpzhxMPwCgodoX TXBXPoGmAjrhSiBcoFSbvVM= =MOYg -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Luis, I know I didn't mention it, but I'm referring to linux n00bs actually. There are plenty of knowlegdable windows and old school dos users who could easily get around a leaf box if they had the patients to set one up. I spent two days trying to get my leaf box to boot. The problem? CR+LFs in leaf.cfg. Not that I didn't know unix used LFs, I simply assumed that because syslinux.cfg didn't mind a CR+LF, why should leaf.cfg? -cpu Luis.F.Correia wrote: Hi! -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Junho de 2005 5:26 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hello Eric, I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are still too many steps envolved for the average n00b. Consider for a moment, a prospective user: one must first decide which packages to use: dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq? shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp (confusing for those who don't [yet] know shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets) I consider LEAF a professional grade router/firewall solution, not for the average Joe User. If all this is scary, use an hardware router, disable all logging on it (to avoid crashes) and you will be mostly fine. I have been looking at some of them lately and the quality of those products has improved a lot! Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those strange/foreign unix commands (4.3. Create a bootable HD). Run syslinux, copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and the system won't boot. Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I doubt it. This is too intimidating already. This mailing list is not intimidating, judging from the amount of docs we have, we should expect that people would read them. Sometimes not even README is read... Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard (8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich leaf distro. -cpu Not practical to do. Even if you have a CF/HD image, most users will not be able to do anything with it. Their problem is with Linux in general, not LEAF in particular. I remember back in the LRP days, the complains we had about the 'idiot-images', they never seem to manage to make the users happy... The only thing I could possibly agree with you is the documentation, it is way too technical for most users BUT, the answers are all there. Again, if this does seem way too complex, buy an hardware router. Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Eric, I understand, but a small installation script could solve these problems. -cpu Eric Spakman wrote: It would be nice if that was possible, but unfortuanatly like Luis told, it's not that easy. For example, we don't know which device is the bootdevice, hda1, hdb1, something else? In my case it's hdc1. So editing leaf.cfg and syslinux.cfg is still needed. An other problem is how to put the image on the CF, with 'dd'? That's really a strange UNIX command. I'm also not sure if the size of the image must be the same as the CF size. Eric __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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- Original Message - From: Erich Titl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bino_oetomo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Bino bino_oetomo wrote: Here is my version. We (I and my staff) stat using LRP in 2000. At that time, we have 0 (zero) linux knowledge. we realized that there is to much (for us, totaly stupid linux newbie) configuration file that we need to open and edit to do the configuration. AFAIK you have deployed wireless access to extended areas. I would like to profit from your experience. Do you have some technical documentation of your network you can make public. Hi Erich and all. I really realy sorry that I have no docs left. I'm a damn lazzy in docs. All I can do for LEAF users is jut open for all kind of question, as long as it's about routing on wireless MAN. My staff do all the module porting .. if needed. Basically , my experience only about : 1. Wireless client router 2. OSPF (zebra) 3. Source-address-based routing, since this Wireless-MAN was used by 4 ISP as their distribution network. Please be advised that this network is no longer exist. Sincerely -bino- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi! -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: quarta-feira, 29 de Junho de 2005 5:26 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hello Eric, I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are still too many steps envolved for the average n00b. Consider for a moment, a prospective user: one must first decide which packages to use: dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq? shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp (confusing for those who don't [yet] know shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets) I consider LEAF a professional grade router/firewall solution, not for the average Joe User. If all this is scary, use an hardware router, disable all logging on it (to avoid crashes) and you will be mostly fine. I have been looking at some of them lately and the quality of those products has improved a lot! Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those strange/foreign unix commands (4.3. Create a bootable HD). Run syslinux, copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and the system won't boot. Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I doubt it. This is too intimidating already. This mailing list is not intimidating, judging from the amount of docs we have, we should expect that people would read them. Sometimes not even README is read... Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard (8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich leaf distro. -cpu Not practical to do. Even if you have a CF/HD image, most users will not be able to do anything with it. Their problem is with Linux in general, not LEAF in particular. I remember back in the LRP days, the complains we had about the 'idiot-images', they never seem to manage to make the users happy... The only thing I could possibly agree with you is the documentation, it is way too technical for most users BUT, the answers are all there. Again, if this does seem way too complex, buy an hardware router. Luis Correia Bering uClibc Team Member PGP Fingerprint: BC44 D7DA 5A17 F92A CA21 9ABE DFF0 3540 2322 21F6 Key Server: http://pgp.mit.edu __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Thank all of you very much for your useful information. So I think I will need - WRAP box - corresponding enclosure case - Power supply - CF card - a mini-PCI wireless card Do you recommend me any specific power supply and/or CF card? Is the 18V-0.83A-15W power supply from one of the WRAP distributors good enough for all LANs and added-wifi? Thanks again. M Lu. - Original Message - From: Luis.F.Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:46 AM Subject: RE: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi! Comments from a WRAP user ;) -Original Message- From: Martin Hejl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hyperterminal, at least in my experience). The biggest hurdle here is finding the proper terminal settings (default should be 9600 8N1 - but as I said, I haven't used a WRAP box yet). It _should_ be mentioned in the manual though. Well, there are two settings, 9600 and 38400, BIOS selectable. happen to have lying around in your electronics junk box). Most of the problems I've seen on the various mailing lists are due to marginal power supplies (marginal in the sense that they provide enough power for average usage, but fail and cause the box to crash/lock up if for some reason power consumption jumps up). Guilty! It has happened to me after adding the wireless card... To get going (the easy way), the only thing else you need is a CF card reader (if you don't want to boot with PXE - I don't know if the WRAP boards support that), so you can transfer the base image to the compact flash card (it's also convenient to get your box back up and running if you've mis-configured it in a way that it will no longer boot - it's happened to me a few times, and being able to pop in the CF into my desktop and fix things saved a lot of time). No, the WRAP board does not support PXE booting, and you have to prepare the CF first. Personally I edit the files in my Windows system, and transfer it to the CF using na USB card reader. I even use syslinux from within Windows itself. I hope that helps Martin Luis Correia --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hello Cpu, I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are still too many steps envolved for the average n00b. Consider for a moment, a prospective user: one must first decide which packages to use: dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq? shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp (confusing for those who don't [yet] know shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets) That's true, but one should always use the base (floppy) image as starting point. The image contains all the packages needed for a complete router/firewall. Most other packages are not for the average n00b ;-) Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those strange/foreign unix commands (4.3. Create a bootable HD). Run syslinux, copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and the system won't boot. Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I doubt it. This is too intimidating already. Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard (8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich leaf distro. It would be nice if that was possible, but unfortuanatly like Luis told, it's not that easy. For example, we don't know which device is the bootdevice, hda1, hdb1, something else? In my case it's hdc1. So editing leaf.cfg and syslinux.cfg is still needed. An other problem is how to put the image on the CF, with 'dd'? That's really a strange UNIX command. I'm also not sure if the size of the image must be the same as the CF size. Eric --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi M Lu wrote: Thank all of you very much for your useful information. So I think I will need - WRAP box - corresponding enclosure case - Power supply - CF card - a mini-PCI wireless card + Pigtail + Antenna Do you recommend me any specific power supply and/or CF card? Is the 18V-0.83A-15W power supply from one of the WRAP distributors good enough for all LANs and added-wifi? Should be OK the WRAP draws AFAIK about 7W. I am running mine on a 12W power supply. cheers Erich --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi Erich, Your reminding me on the pigtail and antenna is very good. Martin Hejl was kind enough to explain 'pigtail' to me as I did not know what it was. I will try to make the WRAP box work first and will add WIFI later. Cheers. - Original Message - From: Erich Titl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:58 PM Subject: Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi M Lu wrote: Thank all of you very much for your useful information. So I think I will need - WRAP box - corresponding enclosure case - Power supply - CF card - a mini-PCI wireless card + Pigtail + Antenna Do you recommend me any specific power supply and/or CF card? Is the 18V-0.83A-15W power supply from one of the WRAP distributors good enough for all LANs and added-wifi? Should be OK the WRAP draws AFAIK about 7W. I am running mine on a 12W power supply. cheers Erich --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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I have this problem as well! I rely on someone else to compile but luckily I use standard packages or someone is always good enough to do that for me! More power to the list! Regarding the difficulty of setting LEAF up, sure it's a steep learning curve for a Linux newbie but I am living proof that it can be done with the support you guys provide! My only experience before Linux was Dos!! David Pitts IT Services Manager Reid Library University of Western Australia Telephone: (08) 6488 3492 Fax: (08) 6488 1012 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Niedzwiedzki Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 6:08 AM To: Eric Spakman Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up
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Here is my version. We (I and my staff) stat using LRP in 2000. At that time, we have 0 (zero) linux knowledge. we realized that there is to much (for us, totaly stupid linux newbie) configuration file that we need to open and edit to do the configuration. With my very minimal experience as a dbase-III programmer, I start Sneaking all the configuration file and that init-script. Bingo ... I realize that most of the configuration can be done directly from the console-command, unless for the wireless part (we didn't now about iwconfig yet). We have to get prepared for a semi-mass-deployment of wireless router. With numbers of less-trained installers. We have to make the configuration lo-easier Start googling seeking for BASH documentation. Bla.. bla .. bla ... We end up with rolling (at least) 60 box LRP based wireless router that come with only 1 configuration file (win.ini style). Never use lrcfg anymore unless for configuration-file backup. We role that 60 box ... may be in just 2 - 3 month. Until now ... I think I rolled out 100 box , mixed of modified LRP , Bering, WISP-dist. I stop rolling out LEAF-based wireless router 1 - 2 years ago, since there is too many Taiwan's CPE floating arround. It's not practical anymore to hang a PC in 100 ft towers. I noticed that some of my box is still operational till now. Now, I only roll Mikrotik-based router. The only reason is because i'm a damn stupid coder, so that I could not add any Friendly user Interface to LEAF. Thats my storry Thanks to all LRP/LEAF coders -bino- - Original Message - From: David Pitts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 8:25 AM Subject: RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! I have this problem as well! I rely on someone else to compile but luckily I use standard packages or someone is always good enough to do that for me! More power to the list! Regarding the difficulty of setting LEAF up, sure it's a steep learning curve for a Linux newbie but I am living proof that it can be done with the support you guys provide! My only experience before Linux was Dos!! David Pitts IT Services Manager Reid Library University of Western Australia Telephone: (08) 6488 3492 Fax: (08) 6488 1012 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Niedzwiedzki Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 6:08 AM To: Eric Spakman Cc: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hi Eric, Thanks for that, but (now don't laugh at me) that's the problem I have is not even knowing where to begin with compiling it. I know my way around a leaf machine with my eyes shut, installing modules,setting up just about anything, I've rolled out around 8 leaf box's on various networks, but for the life of me learning to setup a box to compile/build packages has me lost :( I know there is documentation on it, but because I'm not a fluent *nix user I'm lost with it... Cheers Ad - Original Message - From: Eric Spakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Ad, If you use Bering-uClibc and buildtool, you will see that ulogd's buildtool.mk file already has the lines to compile the mysql plugin: (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc ) # (cd $(ULOGD_DIR) ; CC=$(TARGET_CC) LD=$(TARGET_LD) CFLAGS=$(BT_COPT_FLAGS) \ # ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --with-mysql=$(BT_STAGING_DIR)/usr If you comment the first line and uncomment the next two lines, the plugin will be compiled. The only thing you have to do is add the plugin to the ulogd package and configure it. Eric Spakman Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need
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Only 64 messages this month. Are less and less people using leaf, what is going on with everyone? I have been slowley rolling out leaf boxes to about 16 locations. I couldn't have asked for a better firewall/router. I'd like to very much thank the leaf developers for their continued efforts. -cpu Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Well here is one to ask about! My uclibc router has been playing up of late, its loosing its networking. So much so that an svi networking restart comes up with no IP addresses. Ifdown then ifup of the individual interfaces will work. The DSL connection will come up but it will show the output that should be going to logs on /dev/console, same with mgetty, its coming up on the screen too. Its most frustrating, I think there is a logging issue and a networking issue. Time to back it allup and start again otherwise. Regards, Matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cpu memhd Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:55 PM To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Only 64 messages this month. Are less and less people using leaf, what is going on with everyone? I have been slowley rolling out leaf boxes to about 16 locations. I couldn't have asked for a better firewall/router. I'd like to very much thank the leaf developers for their continued efforts. -cpu --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Maybe it's been perfected? ^^ Jim. -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2005 07:55 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Only 64 messages this month. Are less and less people using leaf, what is going on with everyone? I have been slowley rolling out leaf boxes to about 16 locations. I couldn't have asked for a better firewall/router. I'd like to very much thank the leaf developers for their continued efforts. -cpu The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 17:56 +1000, Matthew Pozzi wrote: Well here is one to ask about! My uclibc router has been playing up of late, its loosing its networking. So much so that an svi networking restart comes up with no IP addresses. Ifdown then ifup of the individual interfaces will work. The DSL connection will come up but it will show the output that should be going to logs on /dev/console, same with mgetty, its coming up on the screen too. Its most frustrating, I think there is a logging issue and a networking issue. Time to back it allup and start again otherwise. hmm. could be that klogd or syslog are not running. You should get rid of the messages with a dmesg -n 1 on your console... Sounds like Problems with your start scripts, but that's nothing new to you, i suppose. Which Version of bering-uclibc are you using ? if you make a ps on your router, do you see /sbin/syslogd and /sbin/klogd ? Regards, Matt --arne -- Arne Bernin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ucBering.de --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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i coulndt get it to work, the only answer that i got was to RTFM, i did i reask still nothing, so ill put debian :P but leaf sounded nice c P.S. with this small amount of mails i forgot to unsubscribe :) James Neave wrote: Maybe it's been perfected? ^^ Jim. -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2005 07:55 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Only 64 messages this month. Are less and less people using leaf, what is going on with everyone? I have been slowley rolling out leaf boxes to about 16 locations. I couldn't have asked for a better firewall/router. I'd like to very much thank the leaf developers for their continued efforts. -cpu The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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LEAF is very nice! I started as a Linux newbie (still applies!!) but I managed with the help of this list to set up a firewall/router on an old Pentium with DHCP, VPN and SSH all on a 1.44 floppy!! Works like a bought one! And much more fun to play with!! Thanks folks. PS. Its about time I upgraded to a later version so I thought maybe some nice words (but very true!!) might make you all more likely to help when I need it!! PS That was a joke! David Pitts -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ciprian niculescu Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2005 5:22 PM To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! i coulndt get it to work, the only answer that i got was to RTFM, i did i reask still nothing, so ill put debian :P but leaf sounded nice c P.S. with this small amount of mails i forgot to unsubscribe :) James Neave wrote: Maybe it's been perfected? ^^ Jim. -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2005 07:55 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Only 64 messages this month. Are less and less people using leaf, what is going on with everyone? I have been slowley rolling out leaf boxes to about 16 locations. I couldn't have asked for a better firewall/router. I'd like to very much thank the leaf developers for their continued efforts. -cpu The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click -- -- leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hello James! If software is like fine art then nothing is finished (perfected), only abandoned. There is always something to improve. But in lots of ways, leaf does appear to be complete. The only thing lacking perhaps, is better usability, not features. It seems that upgrading a leaf box can be quite a challenge for many. Though I must say, it is not a big deal for me, due the extensive changes I've made (read, bastardization :). Anyhow, I feel that lrcfg is in need of a major overhaul. Im sure many will disagree, but, you cant start/stop services from within lrcfg. And it would be nice to be able to save a package while in a package menu (incidentally, I added this capability :). Another problem with lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll off the screen. Btw, you had mentioned something a while back about a high-level tool that could setup/configure a leaf box from A-to-Z. I was working on wizard-like setup tool that could run off a bootable CD, but ultimately decided it probably wasnt what people wanted. I base this theory on the fact that few people request this sort of thing and the fact that Lince never really took off, what do you think? cpu James Neave wrote: Maybe it's been perfected? ^^ Jim. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Hello Cirian, which lex system do you have? Sorry it didnt work out. I must admit, getting leaf to boot of an ide device was a pain for me. Honestly, it took several days, lots of hours. Of course, once you figure it out, it is much too easy. -cpu ciprian niculescu wrote: i coulndt get it to work, the only answer that i got was to RTFM, i did i reask still nothing, so ill put debian :P but leaf sounded nice c P.S. with this small amount of mails i forgot to unsubscribe :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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Arne, one thing I like best about Leaf is this userlist! Leaf is great too. Its uclibc 2.2 btw. Yes to syslog and kogd running they are there. Its is strange, I was going to do some raidn gon loggin to decipher these conf files and understand just what was happening in there. The networking has me perplexed, it ran for nearly 100 days with one IP address on a dynamic service, wonderful in truth. The it started playing up, nothing I can recall was done to make it do this. So much so that getting rp-pppoe to get a new address is a manual process now, and after that the console is useless as the output from rp-pppoe comes to the console. I will find out what is happening. It does sound like startup scripts, but why is doing this to me, its such a woderfully complicated little system and it does so much, Matt --- hmm. could be that klogd or syslog are not running. You should get rid of the messages with a dmesg -n 1 on your console... Sounds like Problems with your start scripts, but that's nothing new to you, i suppose. Which Version of bering-uclibc are you using ? if you make a ps on your router, do you see /sbin/syslogd and /sbin/klogd ? --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hi, As a software developer, I know all about finishing software. :) I remember that. That stemmed from being stuck in a windows only environment and the thought of upgrading our Bering (1.0 I believe, maybe 1.1) router to include latest kernel and security related patches gives me the screaming heebee jeebees. We're running in not broken, so don't even think about touching it mode. I guess it's probably not possible, but I was pondering at that time on a way to automagically create the latest packages with old configuration intact. Which you can't. Technically I'm still (STILL!) working on multi house wireless networks with multiple shared internet connections. Although we very rarely get any time to work on it anymore, as soon as the kitchen is refurbished we have sworn to work on it every Wednesday evening. 8D Another feature we're looking at adding is multicast routing across VPN tunnels. This will allow mDNS and other zero conf stuff to work across our big net and switch on iTunes sharing between our subnets. I think. :S That all seems still very bleeding edge in Linux. Is there an mrouted.lrp about? We've managed to finally connect two houses, get ADSL working in linux (we cheated and bought Ethernet ADSL modems, no firewall, no NAT, just single IP DHCP) as well as 802.11b (cheated again, used an AP as a wireless Ethernet bridge) It's all over one ADSL line though. LARTC says how we set the rest up although everything kinda points to none of this working very well with such a low number of users (route caching :( ). Plus we have to patch and recompile the kernel to get failover working for if a connection goes down @ Erik Spakman offered to do the compiling for us though, which I will take him up on, one day... when I'm old and grey at this rate. :P Regards, Jim. -Original Message- From: cpu memhd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2005 10:33 To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hello James! If software is like fine art then nothing is finished (perfected), only abandoned. There is always something to improve. But in lots of ways, leaf does appear to be complete. The only thing lacking perhaps, is better usability, not features. It seems that upgrading a leaf box can be quite a challenge for many. Though I must say, it is not a big deal for me, due the extensive changes I've made (read, bastardization :). Anyhow, I feel that lrcfg is in need of a major overhaul. I'm sure many will disagree, but, you can't start/stop services from within lrcfg. And it would be nice to be able to save a package while in a package menu (incidentally, I added this capability :). Another problem with lrcfg is that once you have more than 20 config options they scroll off the screen. Btw, you had mentioned something a while back about a high-level tool that could setup/configure a leaf box from A-to-Z. I was working on wizard-like setup tool that could run off a bootable CD, but ultimately decided it probably wasn't what people wanted. I base this theory on the fact that few people request this sort of thing and the fact that Lince never really took off, what do you think? -cpu James Neave wrote: Maybe it's been perfected? ^^ Jim. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The contents of an attachment to this email may contain software viruses that could damage your own computer systems. Whilst The Spur Group of Companies has taken every precaution to minimise the risk, we cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result of software viruses. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
i dont find the reference, but the chipset is via vt8601A with a via c3 eden cpu http://www.silink.fr/produits/docs/stc_net.pdf i tried to boot from the flash disk, when i have time i said ill try with a standard ide drive, and/or put another linux on it debian/rh as i boot on pxe so i can do a standard linux install any help on why the flash don't boot, or at least how to check more deeplly, would be nice C cpu memhd wrote: Hello Cirian, which lex system do you have? Sorry it didn’t work out. I must admit, getting leaf to boot of an ide device was a pain for me. Honestly, it took several days, lots of hours. Of course, once you figure it out, it is much too easy. -cpu ciprian niculescu wrote: i coulndt get it to work, the only answer that i got was to RTFM, i did i reask still nothing, so ill put debian :P but leaf sounded nice c P.S. with this small amount of mails i forgot to unsubscribe :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I use Bering 1.0 stable on that machine. There are some issues: read carefully the manual that explains how to boot from the ide (it is on the second IDE iface but at boot time it is viewed as the first) This affects ALL booting from IDE disks/flash on that machine: luckily this may be the default setting. On syslinux.cfg you must address as: boot=/dev/hdc1:msdos PKGPATH=/dev/hdc1 Remember that you need ide modules into initd.lrp (to make this you must uncompress initrd.lrp then mount as loop the uncompressed image ancd then put ide-mod.o ide-disk.o ide-probe-mod.o into the directory mountpoint/boot/lib/modules and their names into the file mountpoint/boot/etc/modules then umount and recompress) This for bering 1.0-stable: it is so stable that I'm not planning to use a newer one for the moment. Hope this can help Giovanni ciprian niculescu wrote: i dont find the reference, but the chipset is via vt8601A with a via c3 eden cpu http://www.silink.fr/produits/docs/stc_net.pdf i tried to boot from the flash disk, when i have time i said ill try with a standard ide drive, and/or put another linux on it debian/rh as i boot on pxe so i can do a standard linux install any help on why the flash don't boot, or at least how to check more deeplly, would be nice C cpu memhd wrote: Hello Cirian, which lex system do you have? Sorry it didn’t work out. I must admit, getting leaf to boot of an ide device was a pain for me. Honestly, it took several days, lots of hours. Of course, once you figure it out, it is much too easy. -cpu ciprian niculescu wrote: i coulndt get it to work, the only answer that i got was to RTFM, i did i reask still nothing, so ill put debian :P but leaf sounded nice c P.S. with this small amount of mails i forgot to unsubscribe :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCwSwH8hC8JHP3DDQRAr//AKCYGu10jB1GhabozB6glQHpzhxMPwCgodoX TXBXPoGmAjrhSiBcoFSbvVM= =MOYg -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idt77alloc_id492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
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I don't know how frequently LARTC is updated, but it looks like a work in progress. Not to say it's bad, it is very good, just sometimes incomplete. I briefly looked into multicast routing to setup broadcast gre tunnels but quickly realized I was about to swim with sharks (recompile kernel or somewhere in that realm, etc). Not that I'd have a problem with that, but I've made enough changes to my leaf kernel already. I still drool over the La Brea tarpit netfilter patch, but I have to hold back. Eventually I will get that going, along with a nosey shorewall.log-snopping awk daemon that will do wonderful things to those who even dare look at my router :) Anyway, technically it's quite possible to create a leaf upgrade tool, but practically speaking, I also think it's impossible. It would be too time consuming. Beta testing could go on forever. At the very least, something to replace the config files and a few other key considerations might be reasonable. Leaf is pretty much like the full distros where everything is afforded to you. This is why I decided to use it. Astaro, Mandrake MNF, Smoothwall et al are simply what me the vendor thinks a firewall should be...and here is the config tool, take it or leave it. In order to upgrade a system, boundaries must be in place. But there are no boundaries here to begin with. Regardless, I'd say that at the very, very least... a CF/HDD image would make things a lot easier for a lot of people. -cpu James Neave wrote: Hi, As a software developer, I know all about finishing software. :) I remember that. That stemmed from being stuck in a windows only environment and the thought of upgrading our Bering (1.0 I believe, maybe 1.1) router to include latest kernel and security related patches gives me the screaming heebee jeebees. We're running in not broken, so don't even think about touching it mode. I guess it's probably not possible, but I was pondering at that time on a way to automagically create the latest packages with old configuration intact. Which you can't. Technically I'm still (STILL!) working on multi house wireless networks with multiple shared internet connections. Although we very rarely get any time to work on it anymore, as soon as the kitchen is refurbished we have sworn to work on it every Wednesday evening. 8D Another feature we're looking at adding is multicast routing across VPN tunnels. This will allow mDNS and other zero conf stuff to work across our big net and switch on iTunes sharing between our subnets. I think. :S That all seems still very bleeding edge in Linux. Is there an mrouted.lrp about? We've managed to finally connect two houses, get ADSL working in linux (we cheated and bought Ethernet ADSL modems, no firewall, no NAT, just single IP DHCP) as well as 802.11b (cheated again, used an AP as a wireless Ethernet bridge) It's all over one ADSL line though. LARTC says how we set the rest up although everything kinda points to none of this working very well with such a low number of users (route caching :( ). Plus we have to patch and recompile the kernel to get failover working for if a connection goes down @ Erik Spakman offered to do the compiling for us though, which I will take him up on, one day... when I'm old and grey at this rate. :P Regards, Jim. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hello CPU, Regardless, I'd say that at the very, very least... a CF/HDD image would make things a lot easier for a lot of people. -cpu Bering-uClibc provides initrd packages for HDD/CF, CD and USB (stick) booting. The only thing you have to do is put syslinux on your boot device. Eric --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
As we are encouraged to talk about anything, I just want to ask questions regarding running LEAF on an embedded PC. I would like to move my LEAF on an old PC to a smaller device, such as WRAP box. The good news is that there is some documentation about how to set it up, so I hope I can somehow manage it. But regarding hardware I cannot imagine it well. Because I have to order on-line, I would like to know what pieces I need to order. I would like to have 3 LAN and one wireless if possible. In case of wireless, do I have to buy the card from them or can I use other cards I can buy locally (in BestBuy, CompUSA etc)? How do I have screen/keyboard with that etc? Could anybody explain me a little bit to me, a hardware-dumb person? Thank you. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
M Lu wrote: As we are encouraged to talk about anything, I just want to ask questions regarding running LEAF on an embedded PC. I would like to move my LEAF on an old PC to a smaller device, such as WRAP box. The good news is that there is some documentation about how to set it up, so I hope I can somehow manage it. But regarding hardware I cannot imagine it well. Because I have to order on-line, I would like to know what pieces I need to order. I would like to have 3 LAN and one wireless if possible. In case of wireless, do I have to buy the card from them or can I use other cards I can buy locally (in BestBuy, CompUSA etc)? How do I have screen/keyboard with that etc? Could anybody explain me a little bit to me, a hardware-dumb person? Thank you. First off, I don't actually _own_ a WRAP board (I own several soekris boards, and I most likely will order a few WRAP boards some time soon, but so far, all that I've actually used are soekris boards), so take all of what I say with the proverbial grain of salt. But I think I can shed at least a little light on your questions - and hopefully somebody else will be able to provide a more complete answer. There's no need to worry about screen/keyboards - those kinds of things run off a serial console - so simply plug in any PC or Laptop using a crossover serial cable, and you can control it using a serial terminal (minicom if you're using Linux, or one of the various tools on Windows - I recommend teraterm, since it's free and works, which can't be said of Hyperterminal, at least in my experience). The biggest hurdle here is finding the proper terminal settings (default should be 9600 8N1 - but as I said, I haven't used a WRAP box yet). It _should_ be mentioned in the manual though. Regarding the wireless stuff - as far as I know, all WRAP boards come with mini-pci slots (I don't recall any with PC-Card slots) - so buying equipment at Best Buy might be a challenge (but who knows - it's been a while since I shopped there, so they might even have mini-pci equipment these days). If you don't mind ordering online, you can find mini-pci gear at various places - like http://www.netgate.com/ http://www.demarctech.com/ or http://metrix.net/metrix/ (and tons of other places too - those are just as an example, off the top of my head). Getting mini-pci stuff at larger chains can often be difficult, mainly because they usually don't sell the antenna+pigtail needed (at least here in Germany). I've used the cards from netgate with great success on various soekris boxes (and netgate now even sells WRAP boxes...), but that obviously doesn't mean that other sources don't work just as well. One last bit of advice - when using embedded boards like the WRAP (or the soekris boards), make sure you get a suitable power supply (preferrably the one the maker of the board suggests, not something you happen to have lying around in your electronics junk box). Most of the problems I've seen on the various mailing lists are due to marginal power supplies (marginal in the sense that they provide enough power for average usage, but fail and cause the box to crash/lock up if for some reason power consumption jumps up). To get going (the easy way), the only thing else you need is a CF card reader (if you don't want to boot with PXE - I don't know if the WRAP boards support that), so you can transfer the base image to the compact flash card (it's also convenient to get your box back up and running if you've mis-configured it in a way that it will no longer boot - it's happened to me a few times, and being able to pop in the CF into my desktop and fix things saved a lot of time). I hope that helps Martin --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: LEAF on WRAP box - was Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
M Lu wrote: As we are encouraged to talk about anything, I just want to ask questions regarding running LEAF on an embedded PC. I would like to move my LEAF on an old PC to a smaller device, such as WRAP box. The good news is that there is some documentation about how to set it up, so I hope I can somehow manage it. But regarding hardware I cannot imagine it well. Because I have to order on-line, I would like to know what pieces I need to order. I would like to have 3 LAN and one wireless if possible. In case of wireless, do I have to buy the card from them or can I use other cards I can buy locally (in BestBuy, CompUSA etc)? You could, but pricewise I have not found any better for mini-PCI. The CM9 Atheros card works pretty well with the madwifi driver. cheers Erich --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
RE: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
--- cpu memhd wrote: Only 64 messages this month. Are less and less people using leaf, what is going on with everyone? I have been slowley rolling out leaf boxes to about 16 locations. I couldn't have asked for a better firewall/router. I'd like to very much thank the leaf developers for their continued efforts. -cpu The same big thanks from a happy leaf-bering user in denmark when the beast is running there is nothing to discuss, but when shit hits the fan, I´ll let you know ;) Best Regards Lasse Jensen --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hello Eric, I know these packages exist and it is easy to setup. But there are still too many steps envolved for the average n00b. Consider for a moment, a prospective user: one must first decide which packages to use: dropbear/openssh? ipsec/openvpn? dhcpcd/dnsmasq? shorwall.lrp/iptables.lrp (confusing for those who don't [yet] know shorewall is a highlevel frontend to iptablets) Once this is determined, one has to shuffle disks and type all those strange/foreign unix commands (4.3. Create a bootable HD). Run syslinux, copy/modify syslinux.cfg and leaf.cfg. One simple typo and the system won't boot. Where to seek help; the leaf mailing list? I doubt it. This is too intimidating already. Anyhow, I guess what I'm really suggesting is to have a standard (8-12MB?) CF/HD image with the package-equivalent of say a snapgear or m0n0wall. Enough to boot a feature rich leaf distro. -cpu __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything!
Hmm let me rephrase that.. Not knowing what to do with ulogd *grin*, I know my way round php/mysql just fine. So I'm just after ulogd compiled with the mysql plugin working. (something about static linking but I have no idea what that means). Then I can build my own php/mysql interface LOL.. *ugh* it's been a long day... Ad - Original Message - From: Adam Niedzwiedzki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [leaf-user] lets talk about something--anything! Hmm how about someone compiling a ulogd module for bering-uclibc that has mysql support so I can have shorewall log packets to mysql :) Could make some very nice php web graphing to go with it.. *grin* I have tried but not being a programmer, really have no idea what I'm doing Cheers Ad --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click leaf-user mailing list: leaf-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user Support Request -- http://leaf-project.org/
