Re: [MBZ] I don't get this

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Looks like a Supra, but slower.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019, 12:34 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> One wonders why this model is so un-collectible.
>
> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:07 PM Clay Monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > There was discussion of this in a recent Sports Car Market mag (12/18)
> > about investment vs. enjoyment of supercars.  My take away was that a
> real
> > car lover drives his vehicle and extracts maximum enjoyment in use of the
> > tool, with the tool will just plop down a stack of cash and store away
> the
> > investment until he tires of having it around, or acquired it for the
> sole
> > purpose of flipping it for a quick buck.  There are many example of
> > flippers who paid at the peak of the market and now being stuck with
> > something with diminished valuation because the poor car keeps being
> > shopped around to auction after auction with no sales, and either came
> off
> > BaT or ends up on BaT.
> >
> > clay monroe
> >
> > > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for
> what
> > I'm looking for didn't fall out.
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 6, 2019, at 5:37 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Guy buys a new Ferrari on 2001 for $176k, drives it 1000 miles in 18
> > years, sits in a "private collection," now selling it.
> > >
> > > Cars like that need to be driven not parked in a garage.
> > >
> > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2001-ferrari-360-spider-6/
> > >
> > > Oh well, it was his money...
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Re: [MBZ] OT - TV

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have the higher end Denon one and it has done maybe 10 updates. Every
time it asks I say go ahead. Never had any problems with any of them.
Continues to amaze me with what it us capable of.

Amazon is totally unreliable for forming opinions of things. Sometimes you
luck out and find a good review, but often people are just confused about
the product and ranting.

The bigger problem with amazon is that half the stuff is counterfeit.

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 7:18 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  This is what I dislike about Amazon and their “reviews” for items that
> have multiple instances.  That is, there are 3-4 different models of this
> receiver in the product line, and they lump all of the reviews for all of
> the different models into one “bucket”. You’re reading reviews about the
> higher end models that have firmware that can be uploaded into them for
> product enhancements. The one I got doesn’t have that capability.
>
> My current AV receiver is a predecessor to the Yamaha model you mentioned.
> It’s been great and has worked flawlessly for 6-7 years. If they had
> something comparable feature-wise with the Denon I would have gone that
> route.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 26, 2019, at 10:00 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > With all the complaints about blowing up the Denon with the firmware
> > updates, perhaps this would be a better choice? What box does it not
> tick?
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V385-5-1-Channel-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B07BNXXJKB/ref=pd_cp_23_1?pd_rd_w=oOcR3&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=6E62J6CMBQB1QA7YXQ93&pd_rd_r=f7045a10-21dc-11e9-b177-15559c9dc0fd&pd_rd_wg=QcThM&pd_rd_i=B07BNXXJKB&psc=1&refRID=6E62J6CMBQB1QA7YXQ93
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 8:46 PM OK Don  wrote:
> >
> >> So, with one of those Denon boxes, I could plug the HDMI Out from the
> >> laptop into it, with the TV as the monitor, and be able to play music
> from
> >> the laptop into speakers, without the TV monitor being on?
> >> The only way I can get audio out of the laptop to the Sony TA-1150 amp
> is
> >> by un-plugging the HDMI wire. Laptop can't seem to send audio anywhere
> else
> >> while the HDMI wire is in the socket (grumble grumble . . .).
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 8:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bought one on Thursday from Costco. 65” Samsung LED TV. Got it hung and
> >>> fired up yesterday. Downloaded firmware updates and uploaded them to
> the TV
> >>> via USB stick. No connectivity for this bad boy, it’s going to be
> sandboxed
> >>> for life. It bitched a bit about not being connected to the interweb,
> but
> >>> too bad. I had to go in and manually disable the “apps” it has built
> in so
> >>> that garbage doesn’t come up when you first turn it on.
> >>>
> >>> Had fits trying to get it to play nice with the Logitech programmable
> and
> >>> cable remotes.
> >>>
> >>> Everything goes through a Yamaha AV receiver that’s from 2012. While it
> >>> plays nice with switching and sensing what’s turned on, it predates 4k
> HDMI
> >>> standards, so I’m not getting the highest possible resolution to the TV
> >>> from the 4K cable box and Apple TV as a result.
> >>>
> >>> So I bought a new AV receiver:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C49F2LD/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
> >>>
> >>> Not a huge fan of Denon, but this was relatively inexpensive and rings
> >>> all the bells for what I need. It will be here tomorrow so I’ll be
> able to
> >>> get everything hooked up through it and get full resolution, and
> hopefully
> >>> a remote that won’t have SWMBO going apesh*t trying to turn things on
> and
> >>> off.
> >>>
> >>> Lesson learned. Update one major component, expect to have to bring
> >>> everything else into spec as well. At least Mitch will be happy to
> know the
> >>> TF400s don’t have to be replaced.
> >>>
> >>> -D
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> >> --
> >> OK Don
> >>
> >> *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> >> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >>
> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> >> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> >> fence for themselves."
> >>
> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> >> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few

Re: [MBZ] eBay of the Day

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Like I always say: two wrongs don't make a right - but three lefts do.

Not too many lefts now...

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 4:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  I just don’t know what to say. Please don’t waist their time, get the car
> upraised because there are not too many lefts.
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283352617946?ul_noapp=true
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] OT - TV

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have been running this one. Does streaming music and has 11 amplifiers.
It is smart enough that it runs all the audio for the whole house. Plays
music from amazon and I use any device with the heos app to control the it.
Love it. Great value.

 I use 7 channels and a sub for the viewing area, run a right and a left
preamp out to an amplifier rack that has two old seven channel home theater
amps from ebay in it. One of them weighs easily 150lb. Anyway those drive a
bunch of transducers screwed into the top of the ceiling t and g. It is
cedar 2x6. I ran two transducers at each spot so the amps had to be 4 ohm
stable but it really sounds great now. And no speakers visible and no holes
in the ceiling.

https://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVRX4300H-technology-featuring-Bluetooth/dp/B01KZRPNIQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1490535543&sr=8-1&keywords=denon+avr+4300&linkCode=ll1&tag=avproductreviews-20&linkId=02d6b483fed5106d870f74b72e9076e2

Anyway next on the list is an ultra short throw projector. Epson makes a
decent 1080p one that is bright enough for daytime viewing; LS100. Not
cheap, but neither is a 100 inch tv.

Right now we have no tv. Not in much rush to get one actually, but worried
the kids eyes will suffer if they watch ipads up close too much.

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019, 6:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  Bought one on Thursday from Costco. 65” Samsung LED TV. Got it hung and
> fired up yesterday. Downloaded firmware updates and uploaded them to the TV
> via USB stick. No connectivity for this bad boy, it’s going to be sandboxed
> for life. It bitched a bit about not being connected to the interweb, but
> too bad. I had to go in and manually disable the “apps” it has built in so
> that garbage doesn’t come up when you first turn it on.
>
> Had fits trying to get it to play nice with the Logitech programmable and
> cable remotes.
>
> Everything goes through a Yamaha AV receiver that’s from 2012. While it
> plays nice with switching and sensing what’s turned on, it predates 4k HDMI
> standards, so I’m not getting the highest possible resolution to the TV
> from the 4K cable box and Apple TV as a result.
>
> So I bought a new AV receiver:
>
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C49F2LD/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> Not a huge fan of Denon, but this was relatively inexpensive and rings all
> the bells for what I need. It will be here tomorrow so I’ll be able to get
> everything hooked up through it and get full resolution, and hopefully a
> remote that won’t have SWMBO going apesh*t trying to turn things on and off.
>
> Lesson learned. Update one major component, expect to have to bring
> everything else into spec as well. At least Mitch will be happy to know the
> TF400s don’t have to be replaced.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 85 euro spec mercedes 300td diesel wagon

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

You put whatever springs in you want then adjust the ride height to where
you want it. My w124 is lowered a bit with stock shocks in it. I even found
some OE sportline hydraulic shocks to throw in when I put the new driveline
and v8 subframe in, which sounds similar to what this guy did. The interior
looks pretty clean.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 7:46 PM fmiser via Mercedes  > Bob wrote:
>
> > Jesus, Mary and Joseph...
> >
> > > 85 euro spec mercedes 300td diesel wagon
> > >
> > > https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/6806258372.html
>
> Euro spec - but with DOT headlights?  interesting.
>
> Does the Euro "T" come with the self-leveling suspension?  If so,
> I wonder how that was handled during the lowering.  The "rear gas
> shocks" makes me wonder.
>
> No photos of the engine bay.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 109

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

What kind of motor is a 3.5?

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 4:35 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Dang, if I didn’t have my finnie I would be looking at that.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 25, 2019, at 6:57 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mercedes Benz
> >
> >
> https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/d/shawnee-mission-mercedes-benz/6803076144.html
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] BAT Benz insanities

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They kept the original spring setup but the tranny is a lot lighter.

On Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 8:31 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> I like using my thread
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/25/19 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I started a separate thread for this auction.  The wagon has a lot of
> > issues.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:52 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The wagon has a suspension problem, either the rear is sagging or the
> >> front springs or pads are too high. Manual transmission is lighter than
> the
> >> automatic, maybe front springs are wrong?
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On January 25, 2019 9:09:12 AM EST, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-mercedes-benz-s600-3/
> >>>
> >>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1982-mercedes-benz-300td-wagon/
> >>>
> >>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1990-mercedes-benz-560sec-13/
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] White Whale Water Works

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

OK but where is my left rear footwell water coming from? Maybe the sunroof
or luggage rail bolts onto the headliner and down.

Cant remember whether I have a tailgate gasket out there or not. Spendy
little things.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:11 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
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> It's the lift gate on the wagon that is the known leaker.  Never had an
> issue with the passenger doors that I know of.
>
> Rear fixed wagon side widows also leak when you get rust in the channels,
> but puddles in the third seat footwell are almost always the liftgate
> gasket, although the lift gate glass has an old fashioned "lace-in" gasket
> and can leak, too.
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Re: [MBZ] White Whale Water Works

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I have the OE seals sitting on the shelf with the gooey OE sealant. Two are
done. The leak is at one of the old ones, so that makes sense.

My door gaps are a bit off on the left, so I was hoping to figure out how
to better align the front and rear doors before doing the rear seal. I mean
the panel gaps at the front and rear of each door. Seems like the rear door
has sagged a bit. Not sure if hinge pins are replaceable or what.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 6:40 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> The rear door gasket is a known issue.  Replace it while you can still get
> one!
>
> I need to do this with mine, when parked level or nose down it gets water
> in the third seat well, and in the door latch.  Parked nose up, even a
> little, bone dry.
>
> The gasket leaks around the upper corners, I think.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Brake hoses

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I am using these with castrol srf. They work great. Popular with 500e
board. Also available for the w123 I think.

https://www.deerfieldprecision.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=32&osCsid=j2acpu2hv4ami2fa6qsacrc2c6

The teflon lining is probably good to higher temps than the rubber. That is
why the racing guys use them.

For street use they are overkill but probably not much more than OE hoses.

Easier to tell the age of a rubber hose from the cracking, so for street
use or poorly maintained cars rubber is sensible and more than adequate.

If you push your brakes to fade regularly then perhaps the stainless ones
make sense.

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> I am not interested in slip on covers.  I couldn't care less about
> appearance.  I care about performance with DOT4 and DOT5 fluids.
>
> I put new hoses on the 1980 123 and they swelled shut within a year. (as
> in check valve)
>
> I am looking for a brake hose that will resist all brake fluids,
> including DOT5 silicon.  I thought perhaps the teflon lined SS hoses
> would work.
>
> I think all the hoses I put on  the '80 were ATE, but perhaps not.  OE
> hoses subjected to DOT 4 for a few years will withstand DOT5, and all
> the other ATE hoses I put on were fine with DOT 4 or DOT5.
>
>
>
> Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 1/20/19 10:35 AM:
> > Slip-on braid is bling.  It can't fit tight enough to do what the metal
> braid is supposed to do,
> > as regards braking performance.
> >
> > You do NOT want metal braid, of any flavor, for general driving.
> Abrasion from dirt is the problem.
> > The regular hoses work perfectly, perhaps for twenty years or so, and
> are inexpensive.  Why mess
> > with success?
> >
> > Metal 'performance' braid should come after a coffee-can exhaust tip,
> and some go-fast stickers.
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] White Whale Water Works

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The rear side window seals usually leak and rust the sills out at the front
bottom corner. Another point of possible entry.

I had water on the floor behind the drivers seat after this last rain. No
idea what the source is.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 4:57 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Well the leak remains.  We've had a couple heavier rains, water showed up
> again on the passenger side.  Reduced, but still there.
>
> I looked at another 124 wagon for sale locally, which has the same issues
> as mine: water leak resulting in water in the passenger side footwell and
> water also shows up in the third row seating footwell.  The seller thought
> the water is entering all the way at the rear of the car and migrating
> forward.  He suspected the rubber seal at the rear hatch is the problem.
>
> As a test, I parked my wagon facing uphill in our drive last night.  My
> driveway has a slight downhill slope from the garage to the street, and my
> habit has been to park facing out, which is downhill.
>
> Last night we had very heavy rains, and this a.m. I could not discern any
> additional water on the passenger side floorboards.  I might be on to
> something.  I need to check the third row seating footwell, see if that has
> water now.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 7:56 AM Meade Dillon  wrote:
>
> > We had some rain overnight, not a whole lot but it was heavy for a few
> > minutes.
> >
> > No water inside today, so my confidence in my repair is growing.
> However,
> > I'm not declaring victory just yet, I still need a nice long heavy rain
> to
> > provide a more difficult test.
> >
> > Background: I've had water leaking into my 1987 300TD for years, it
> > appears on the passenger side floor boards.  I've tried sealing off the
> > sunroof and I patched a rust hole in the firewall.  Latest repair attempt
> > was removing the luggage rail and caulking over a crack in a seam.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Seat leather wearing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Spray paint might work but there are lots of types of spray paint and who
knows how stable they would be over time.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019, 3:44 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  Search the you tubes, there's a video of a guy that fixes a red bucket
> seat in a 560SL with red spray paint and a white rag. Spray on some paint,
> immediately wipe it / rub it into the leather, repeat until you're happy
> with how the seat looks.
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> >The SL600 has a bit of wear on the driver bolster where you slide in
> >and
> >out, getting kinda white.  I was thinking that some liquid black shoe
> >polish might touch it up.
> >
> >The vinyl door top part where you rest your arm is also a bit worn, was
> >
> >thinking that the shoe polish would probably work on that too.
> >
> >I looked up leather dye, not sure how it would be radically different
> >from the shoe polish.  Plus a small bottle is $7 and I have some of the
> >
> >shoe polish I think.  The shoe stuff probably would not be a "perfect"
> >match but it would probably not be particularly noticeable.  I guess I
> >could try a dab with a swab to see how it works and looks.
> >
> >Thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] Well ain't that a thing

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Holy guacamole Batman!

My wife might have possibly been a gyn onc had her mentor not cashed it in
at age 46 while jogging from sudden cardiac death. It was devastating. He
was highly published and accomplished, even at that age. This was at
Hopkins. She did clinic with him in the afternoon and consoled his wife
that evening. Brilliant guy.

Like the pilots say, any landing you walk away from. Glad you are still
with us. Rest up and take care.

Karl





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> I forgot my running shorts when I went to DC, I was going to do an Italian
> tune up. Glad I didn't...
>
> Curt
>
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>   On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 2:10 PM, Kevin Kraly via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   That sounded quite scary!! Glad you made
> it out alive.  Time for a Diesel Purge and new filters.
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
>
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> > On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > His medical history would make the premiums pretty steep, I’m sure.
> Don’t think the inscos don’t dig all that stuff up, even if you don’t
> disclose it.
> >
> > My now deceased sort of father in law (wife’s natural father, she was
> pretty much raised by her stepdad, a far, far better person) took out all
> sorts of insurance policies over the years to cover his (excessive)
> pre-planned funeral costs.  He kicked it, funeral director presented the
> family with a $6000 bill. There were three or four insurance policies.  All
> denied coverage.
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > He lied about his health.  He died from emphysema as he was a two pack a
> day chain smoker for many, many years.  He quit and didn’t smoke for
> probably the last 20 years of his life, but the damage was done. The inscos
> dug into his hospital records and found references to his condition and
> immediately refused to pay because he didn’t disclose this on the
> applications.
> >
> > So the wife and her brother had to pay his $6,000 funeral bill.  Thanks
> for the legacy…
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
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> >>
> >>
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> >>> Greetings to Angie. (You can start breathing again!).
> >>> Fred and Joanne.
> >>>
> >>
> >> How much would Angie have to pay for a $10MM life insurance policy on a
> guy Curt's age?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] How Far The Mighty Have Fallen

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Maybe we can get these guys to pick up the w123 or 126 chassis and put some
updated emission compliant power into it :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SsangYong_Chairman

On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 7:14 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> You might be on to something
>
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> > On Jan 5, 2019, at 8:50 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Used to be, you could get VW bugs in Meh he ko long after production
> stopped in Germany, and VW stopped selling them in the USA.In fact the
> MB trucks like the 1113 up to 1316 were made in brasil, years after
> production stopped in Germany.  That is why those trucks look like they
> were designed in the 50s.  They were!  But they were made in brasil into
> the 80s, and perhaps in Sudafrika too.   They were pretty popular in SA and
> Africa.   Those and the indian trucks.  Was it tata?  I think that was the
> name.
> >
> >  Maybe the chinee are onto something with all the knockoff cars.   Maybe
> we coud get them to build 123 240D and 300Ds that we could put our
> drivetrains in.   I'd like a couple of SDL bodies right now.  Have
> drivetrains
> >
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 1/5/19 8:20 PM:
> >> My buddy is a technical consultant. Does work for a big korean carmaker.
> >> They sent him to China. He says what are you doing in china? Gets there
> and
> >> they make rolling chassis with powertrains. Neighboring plants make the
> >> bodies. Any body you want, bmw, mercedes etc. Pretty good copies,
> according
> >> to him.
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Re: [MBZ] "WHY" classic Mercedes are worth saving- the bleak future of driving

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The Finns have already hacked the engine management on the om648. People
have also figured out how to disable the immobilizers to transplant them
into older chassis etc. With OE engine management.

The point is that some of the better or more durable modern powertrain
stuff may end up having aftermarket solutions that are accessible and
tunable/replaceable in the aftermarket.

I kind of doubt teslas will get to that stage, but one never knows with all
the geeky people buying them. The aftermarket has good engineers also.

Personally I would like a finny with an om648. It is certainly the motor I
would choose for a w123 retrofit at this stage. Modern CDI power and torque
without any of the irksome features of higher power om606 motors.

The simpler mechanical stuff will always have diy appeal however.

K

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> I agree with you Randy, but that approach (modular and common
> interchange-able components) won't happen due to the enormous profits.  I'd
> much rather have the liberty and the choices than have government-mandated
> boring cars designed for the lowest common denominator.  They'll be pure
> appliances at that point, absolutely joyless to ride in, as we won't be
> allowed to drive, too risky.
>
> Karl has extolled the virtues of electric cars with drive-trains that a far
> less complex and far more durable, only electric motors and the controllers
> and replaceable batteries.  That may be true. Maybe a simple 240D-like
> electric car with no bells or whistles will last 50 years, but I don't
> think anyone is making them - no market because we are a
> consume-and-throw-away society.
>
> Pierre is right, keep an old classic around and enjoy it.  In another 50
> years they'll still be in operation, won't be many cars from 1996 or later
> still around.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
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>
> > We need to get to a point where this electronic stuff becomes generic
> > and modules can be popped in an out to repair problems.
> > If governments are going to mandate electric cars etc, then they need to
> > enforce some rules that prevent the scenario where cars become instantly
> > obsolete once some component croaks.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] How Far The Mighty Have Fallen

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My buddy is a technical consultant. Does work for a big korean carmaker.
They sent him to China. He says what are you doing in china? Gets there and
they make rolling chassis with powertrains. Neighboring plants make the
bodies. Any body you want, bmw, mercedes etc. Pretty good copies, according
to him.

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> Not only are MB parts made in China now... they're making whole Mercedes
> there now.  And they're just as good as cars from any other production
> plant.  Imagine that!  (And all the other major automakers do this too)
>
> Its a new world... time to face reality, folks.  Made in China doesn't
> automatically mean something is junk.  Things are engineered and built to a
> specification that defines quality.  Build to that specification and you
> make good parts, weather its in China, Germany or the USA.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
> > Well, apparently some MB stealer parts are made in china now.  From the
> > MB beancounter's perspective:  "Why pay for pahts made in die Vaterland,
> > when I can buy cheep chinee pahts from uro that will survive until the
> > warranty is over and we don't have to pay for replacements. "  Even
> > having a star and stealer price does not mean you will get parts made in
> > Deutschland/not made in china.
> >
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 1/4/19 12:17 PM:
> > > This is BS! Ordered new mm for a couple cars.
> > > Made in China. Half tempted to send them back and get dealer parts.
> > >
> > > Rick
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

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Its hard to believe the total national oil and gas subsidy since 1915 is
only 470 billion when the one year cost for Oklahoma for oil and gas
subsidies is 450 million. I suspect similar tax advantages exist in many
other oil producing states.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 7:32 PM OK Don via Mercedes  For one, there's the subsidy for adding ethanol to gasoline.
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/05/13/addressing-misconceptions-from-senator-grassleys-ethanol-editorial/#7563b48e15ee
>
>
> https://www.marketslant.com/article/worst-energy-ever-ethanol-subsidy-10-billion-tax-eia
>
> Then:
>
> https://okpolicy.org/oklahomas-wind-subsidies-dwarfed-subsidies-oil-gas-industry/
> https://www.fuelfreedom.org/oil-company-subsidies/
>
>
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> > People talk about oil subsidies all the time but never mention any
> > specific subsidy, do they really exist?
> > Excise taxes on fuel, well I know those exist.
> > Below market pricing on mineral leases on public land have been
> mentioned,
> > especially gold and uranium, but I have no way of evaluating how much of
> a
> > bargain they are.
> > 30% subsidies on various renewables are in the tax code but scheduled to
> > sunset.
> >
> >
> > > On January 1, 2019 at 8:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >  Do we still have massive oil subsidies?
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

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I think the most significant would be the depletion allowance, which allows
writing off up to 27.5% of gross revenues since 1926. Oh, and all the
lease- and royalty- free drilling on federal land offshore that's been
going on. There have been various efforts to eliminate the former subsidy
for decades. All told the estimate is something like 470 billion dollars in
subsidies since 1915 or whatever. I dont know if that figure is adjusted
for inflation or not.

Whatever the amounts, I think its clear there are plenty of tax breaks on
all sides of the energy supply issue. So if there is some dude who really
hates fossil fuels, then every time I fill up my tank, he is getting hosed.
But that is the nature of democracy and in particular our federation of
states.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 7:14 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes  People talk about oil subsidies all the time but never mention any
> specific subsidy, do they really exist?
> Excise taxes on fuel, well I know those exist.
> Below market pricing on mineral leases on public land have been mentioned,
> especially gold and uranium, but I have no way of evaluating how much of a
> bargain they are.
> 30% subsidies on various renewables are in the tax code but scheduled to
> sunset.
>
>
> > On January 1, 2019 at 8:53 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Do we still have massive oil subsidies?
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

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Yes they can't have a bunch of residential panels backfeeding into the
downed lines I suppose! But who monitors that they get shut down?

I think there is going to be a lot of bootleg solar going on. I saw one
setup that never allows the meter to run backwards, so it avoids a lot of
the regulations.

On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 3:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  I would do it in a heartbeat down here where it would make a lot of sense
> but the utilities continue to hamstring consumers every way possible to
> prevent us from installing net metering systems.  And I would also put in a
> battery bank as well, as without it you’re not allowed to run independent
> of the grid, which is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard of.
>
> Last major hurricane we had all the solar people were touting how even
> with the grid down people would have power. Wrong!  Code requires that if
> the utility goes offline, your solar array goes offline as well.  If you
> have a storage system of some sort using batteries you can disconnect from
> the grid legally.
>
> -D
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Well sorry I guess it was always going to be a hot button type subject.

Anyway yes there is no energy source devoid of environmental impact.
Lithium ion for instance has a big carbon footprint. Maybe 25% co2 savings
over diesel for the life of the car, including manufacturing. Because the
electric car started out in a carbon hole from the battery manufacturing.

My reasons for liking electric cars are excellent performance, low
maintenance and never going to the gas station. I dont have a problem with
subsidies; reasonable people may disagree on what is proper to subsidize
but suffice it to say there are many I do not favor also.

I also like the notion of using the light from the sky to generate my
electricity vs. Stuff dug up out of the ground and injected into the
atmosphere. Seems like we might need the stuff in the ground for more
important stuff later in history. If we can import the energy for free from
outer space for not much more money, that seems like a better deal. And I
like the idea of self sufficiency and being able to own the means of
production rather than buy the product from others forever and ever.

Anyway thanks as usual for all the interesting perspective. Happy Dieseling
for 2019. My next move will be to an om648 swapped w123 I think.






On Tue, Jan 1, 2019, 1:36 PM G Mann via Mercedes  The solution is to only drive your electric car when there is enough sun
> and wind to charge it's batteries, not have electric heat or lights in your
> home, no computers at work, or office lights. But have zero pollution
> from energy production.
>
> Alternatively, accept that humans are a messy bunch, who don't clean up
> after themselves, and make the best of what life has to offer.
>
> On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 12:13 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>
> > So  the solution to evil China ias is for the USA to burn MORE coal so
> our
> > air can be as dirty as theirs?
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 9:14 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> >
> > > China was actually bringing 2 CFPPs online per week for awhile a coupla
> > > years ago, burning dirty coal with no emissions controls. Country is
> > power
> > > hungry (in more ways than electricity) as it makes the Great Leap
> > Forward.
> > >
> > > --R
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> > > >
> > > > I'd be shocked if they
> > > > are literally building one Coal Fired power plant a week. Makes no
> > sense.
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap synthetic oil

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Looks good.

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> The specs on this look good from what I can tell so far, seems on par
> with the name brands.  Can be purchased online from Walmart for $49.97
> for a 5 gal bucket.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

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No synopsis that I know of. Sorry.

I am interested because the wind farm guys developed a project all around
us, but even then it was clear that solar would outperform it. Basically
this guy says the same thing. Essentially, the stuff is getting cheap
enough that it is here to stay.

Seems like people on the list have been chiming in about windmills and the
need for ongoing coal plants etc. from time to time, so I though it might
interest the group to hear from someone with skin in the game, e.g. a
utility. I typically listen to stuff like this in the car on my phone.

Happy New Year,
Karl







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> Dan's favorite utility, Florida Power & Light?
>
> That's a long video, is there a synopsis?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 11:22 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> > Industry insider view
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> > https://youtu.be/2SXxJWUv-x4
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[MBZ] OT interesting alternative energy talk

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Industry insider view

https://youtu.be/2SXxJWUv-x4

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 9:04 PM Andrew Strasfogel  Z is one of the best political thrillers ever made.
>
> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 10:43 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>> There is a foreign flick called Z where a lot of the shots include
>> interiors and exteriors various w110 cars, IIRC.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 8:26 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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>> > All the girls are using funnels for bra cups
>> >
>> > --Fat
>> > Sent from iPhone
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>> > > On Dec 30, 2018, at 10:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes <
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>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Old news . . .
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Bad guys in 2 (maybe 3) old Benzes chasing the DB5 with Bond and a
>> babe.
>> > >> One hit a tree, one crashed off a cliff and burned, one survived
>> > carrying
>> > >> Odd Job who threw his hat at the babe.
>> > >>
>> > >> The girl died.
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Re: [MBZ] Goldfinger

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There is a foreign flick called Z where a lot of the shots include
interiors and exteriors various w110 cars, IIRC.

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 8:26 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> All the girls are using funnels for bra cups
>
> --Fat
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 30, 2018, at 10:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Old news . . .
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 9:10 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bad guys in 2 (maybe 3) old Benzes chasing the DB5 with Bond and a babe.
> >> One hit a tree, one crashed off a cliff and burned, one survived
> carrying
> >> Odd Job who threw his hat at the babe.
> >>
> >> The girl died.
> >>
> >> --R
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> >
> > *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many
> of
> > our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> >
> > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few
> who
> > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> > for themselves."
> >
> > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
> > 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: Finnie Fun]

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Oh drop the semantics. Its the same thing :-)

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018, 8:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> Aint nunna us okie folkes wanna be civilized, 'Cept'n' Andy.
>
> But we'd all like a 2 post lift!
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 12/30/18 9:31 PM:
> > ...but a lift is the only really civilized way to do things.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Jobs that require getting under a jacked up car! [was: Re: Finnie Fun]

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Yes lumber is what I use also. Sections of 4x8 and 4x10 left over from
house framing. I also make ramps out of it.

I will say that getting up and down off the ground all afternoon is good
exercise...but a lift is the only really civilized way to do things.



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> My buddy the timber framer has given me a bunch of cutoffs that make great
> cribbing under the car once jacked up. Stack some of those under the frame.
> It ain’t going nowhere
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 1:00 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 23:24:52 -0500 Dimitri via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> A pretty full day! I dislike jobs that require getting under a jacked
> >> up car!
> >
> > Is there some other way to do jobs like:
> >
> > - Change transmission filter
> > - Change differential gear oil
> > - Work on exhaust system
> > - Work on parking brake adjustment
> > - Change fuel hoses from body lines to tank
> > - Grease front wheel bearings
> > - Replace brake pads/disks
> >
> >?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] BAT 300SE Didn't Sell?

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Looks pretty rusty. The floor pans die an ugly death as window seals go bad.

I would drive it for 3200 though. Even with the crappy seat. Unless the
body is just totally shot.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 3:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  Look what’s on Boston CL just two days ago:
>
>
> https://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/d/andover-1964-mercedes-300se-fintail/6781548900.html
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Re: [MBZ] w123 brake upgrade

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Neat about the design wobble. Didn't know that. So the slight binding with
car in the air could be normal.

These rotors are pretty old. I dont think I have ever changed them and the
car just turned over 200k.

Anyway I dont know what to say except they were fine and then they weren't.

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> Rotors are machined to have a slight wobble.  This is to push the pads
> back so they don't drag all the time when the hydraulic pressure is
> released.  There is no other method of retracting the pads on disk
> brakes.  Drum brakes have springs.  Disk brakes don't.
>
> The worst brake rotors that I've ever experienced, as far as "warping"
> or hard spots is on the "modern" dogde.  in 120k it is on the third set
> of rotors, and it had pretty new rotors when we got it.   At with that,
> many miles were put on with brakes that shook from "warping" or hard
> spots.   These are ventilated.
>
> I have NEVER had a problem with rotors "warping" or hard spots on an
> MB.  I think I have changed out either 3 or 5 in 40+ years and perhaps a
> million miles in MBs.  2 of those were on the Hawaii Kai 200D whose
> front rotors were way thinner than the minimum permitted when we got it,
> and the odd one was from deep scoring due to a stuck rear caliper on the
> 240D.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 12/29/18 1:31 PM:
> > Thanks Peter. Yes I am aware of the hard spot theory. It may even be
> true.
> > But when I put the new wheels on we had the car in the air and the rotor
> is
> > warped so badly on the left front that it binds on every revolution. So
> > anyone who says rotors don't warp and that the vibration is all from
> > cementite or whatever hard spots, doesn't really know what they are on
> > about. Or they never drove an older car.
> >
> > I think the solid rotors warp far more than the vented ones. I imagine
> this
> > is just a stiffness thing related to thickness, but also to heat
> > dissipation and even the diameter. The rotor is too thin and the diameter
> > is too small for the car, basically. In pedestrian use it is fine, but
> when
> > you fail to notice the yellow until too late and go hard on the binders,
> > then end up in the crosswalk, there is no creeping forward, no creeping
> > backward. You can put the car in neutral or park and let off the brakes,
> > but the rotors are done after one rapid stop. Kind of silly. We are
> talking
> > a single aggressive stop from maybe 40 or 45 to zero, one time.
> >
> >
> >
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[MBZ] OT NAS hardware

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok computer gurus, I bought six overpriced ubiquiti cameras to go with my
network hardware at home, which is all ubiquiti stuff. But I need to run
their nvr software on a server of some type. I would like to rack mount it.
Their video software runs on any debian based linux or on windows. I am
most familiar with ubuntu, so will likely use that.

My thoughts are 4-8 gig of ram, a quad core processor, at least 2TB of disk
space (maybe x2 HD for backup), and thats about it. It will go in the rack
with an ethernet cable. The network guys who install these things can
typically spec these out for about $200. I just load linux, load the nvr
software, and configure. UBIQUITI sell an nvr device but it is backordered.

Honestly I think any type of NAS would do the trick. That would allow me to
park media files on it also, eg the cd collection. Where do people
typically purchase that type of hardware thing? Provantage?

Any thoughts appreciated. Seems like there are some computer savvy types on
the list.

Karl

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 8:35 PM Karl Wittnebel 
>
> I had a surprise the other day on the 87 when I pulled the belly pan and
>> the frame rail started draining a bunch of water through the screw hole. It
>> rained about 2 inches with the front end up so it ran into the engine
>> compartment somehow. I later found the firewall drains were plugged below
>> the windshield on either side, so it probably filled up with water and
>> started going strange places.
>>
>> The two rear side windows on a 124 wagon notoriously rust and leak.
>> Pulling them and splooging new gaskets into urethane filling the trough
>> after removing all rust is the only durable solution.
>>
>> The 123 wagon windows seem to be leaking back there also. Time for more
>> splooging I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 3:04 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>>
>>> I've eliminated the following as sources of the leak: sunroof, roof rail.
>>> I've found and patched one hole on the firewall.
>>>
>>> There is major rust-through on the rocker right at the back of the front
>>> right fender.  I haven't considered that as the source, because I don't
>>> get
>>> any change in water intrusion while driving the car, when that spot is
>>> directly in the path of water coming off the back of the wheel.  However,
>>> maybe I should figure out a way to caulk that closed.
>>>
>>> The other places that I'm considering are the well under the HVAC blower
>>> fan, maybe there is rust-through hidden in there somewhere, or on the
>>> firewall there is rust-through hidden behind the over-coating.
>>> -
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Re: [MBZ] Attn. Dan P.

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Airbnb, man. Airbnb.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 1:08 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> I wouldn't mind having a limo in my driveway.  I would tell the neighbors
> that my driver sleeps in the en suite.
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 2:39 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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>
> > DIdn’t make reserve at $7,100.  Too bad, as that’a  pretty good price for
> > one of these, even with the BAT premium.  The market is so limited it’s
> > difficult to find a buyer for something like this.  People think they’re
> > cool but they don’t want a “limo” in their driveway.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I like it, but I think I’d rather have a 6 door w124.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jaime should get this and dump that 140.
> > >> --
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >> '87 300TD
> > >> '95 E300
> > >>
> > >> On December 27, 2018 12:30:41 PM EST, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>> Does this look familiar to you?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1980-mercedes-benz-250-lw-long-wheel-base/
> > >>>
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> > >>>
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Re: [MBZ] w123 brake upgrade

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Thanks I have read that document. My rotors are still warped. I dont think
any amount of bedding in would have prevented it. I can mic them; maybe
they are super worn.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 11:52 AM fmiser via Mercedes  > Peter wrote:
>
> > The cure for "warped" rotors after hard stops is to creep slowly
> > forward immediately after stopping.
>
> After having correctly bedded the pads after installing new rotors.
>
> Here is a good reference article.
>
>
> http://www.stoptech.com/technical-support/technical-white-papers/-warped-brake-disc-and-other-myths
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Re: [MBZ] w123 brake upgrade

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Yes it basically aligns the molecular structure with the load path.

There is a pretty good vid of some guys making what look like connecting
rods: https://vimeo.com/98797243

Aluminum must be shedloads easier, but the same principle would apply. Less
material can be used, so the wheel becomes lighter than a cast wheel of
similar strength.

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> Forged.   It rearranges the molecules so that the metal is stronger.
>
> Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/29/18 6:54 AM:
> > Which is better, cast or forged?
> > -
> > Max
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Re: [MBZ] w123 brake upgrade

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Thanks Peter. Yes I am aware of the hard spot theory. It may even be true.
But when I put the new wheels on we had the car in the air and the rotor is
warped so badly on the left front that it binds on every revolution. So
anyone who says rotors don't warp and that the vibration is all from
cementite or whatever hard spots, doesn't really know what they are on
about. Or they never drove an older car.

I think the solid rotors warp far more than the vented ones. I imagine this
is just a stiffness thing related to thickness, but also to heat
dissipation and even the diameter. The rotor is too thin and the diameter
is too small for the car, basically. In pedestrian use it is fine, but when
you fail to notice the yellow until too late and go hard on the binders,
then end up in the crosswalk, there is no creeping forward, no creeping
backward. You can put the car in neutral or park and let off the brakes,
but the rotors are done after one rapid stop. Kind of silly. We are talking
a single aggressive stop from maybe 40 or 45 to zero, one time.





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> The cure for "warped" rotors after hard stops is to creep slowly forward
> immediately after stopping.  This keeps the pad contact time on a hot rotor
> to the minimum and prevents carburization and material transfer from pad to
> disk.
>
> not always possible, but minimal brake pressure after stopping  and moving
> the rotors under the pads will go a long way to preventing the hard spots
> on the rotors that make them vibrate under braking.
>
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Re: [MBZ] White Whale Water Works

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I had a surprise the other day on the 87 when I pulled the belly pan and
> the frame rail started draining a bunch of water through the screw hole. It
> rained about 2 inches with the front end up so it ran into the engine
> compartment somehow. I later found the firewall drains were plugged below
> the windshield on either side, so it probably filled up with water and
> started going strange places.
>
> The two rear side windows on a 124 wagon notoriously rust and leak.
> Pulling them and splooging new gaskets into urethane filling the trough
> after removing all rust is the only durable solution.
>
> The 123 wagon windows seem to be leaking back there also. Time for more
> splooging I guess.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>> I've eliminated the following as sources of the leak: sunroof, roof rail.
>> I've found and patched one hole on the firewall.
>>
>> There is major rust-through on the rocker right at the back of the front
>> right fender.  I haven't considered that as the source, because I don't
>> get
>> any change in water intrusion while driving the car, when that spot is
>> directly in the path of water coming off the back of the wheel.  However,
>> maybe I should figure out a way to caulk that closed.
>>
>> The other places that I'm considering are the well under the HVAC blower
>> fan, maybe there is rust-through hidden in there somewhere, or on the
>> firewall there is rust-through hidden behind the over-coating.
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Re: [MBZ] w123 brake upgrade

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I should also say that I have 5 original forged 14" bundt fuchs wheels that
I am having redone, if anyone wants that shiny new look. All the
aftermarket bundts are cast rather than forged and none of them have steel
bolt inserts like the fuchs. These are in good shape just need blasting and
paint. I will ebay them otherwise.

Wheel guy told me they used to punch the steel inserts out before sending
them to have the chrome stripped off, as the chrome is forever corroding
and needs to be removed by acid which will eat the steel. Costs 75 a wheel
in california now just to have the chrome stripped. Apparently the
electroplaters are taxed on usage of the acid hot tank somehow, so they
only do batched runs.

Fun trivia: He also told me the early dinner plate wheels were forged, but
the later ones were not. Later cast ones have square corners in the holes.
Forged hole corners are more rounded.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 8:07 PM Karl Wittnebel  Will take some in the daylight tomorrow.
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 7:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
>> Pics?
>>
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 10:51 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Doing the second gen w126 front brake upgrade on the 123. Ordered all
>> the
>> > stuff today. New backing plates was the most expensive item. More than
>> > rebuilt calipers. It needed new rotors anyway and I am very tired of the
>> > rotors warping after stopping fast at lights.
>> >
>> > 126 calipers require 15" wheels, so now I have nothing stopping me,
>> pardon
>> > the pun. Anyway I am now running 225/60 r15s on the 85td. That is what
>> the
>> > wheels came with. Kumho Ecstar. Definitely notice the slight decrease in
>> > get up and go, but the ride is tons better. Havent done sunset at speed
>> > yet, so will see about cornering. But the car looks really pretty with
>> this
>> > setup, rides better and can still cruise up the sepulveda pass at 80, so
>> > overall a success. Might do 225/50 next time just to compare.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 11:43 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Today I had resolved to use the nice weather and time off from work to
>> >> address the water leaking into my '87 wagon.
>> >>
>> >> Dan had early offered that the nuts holding down the roof rails were
>> not
>> >> too bad to get to, just pull back the headliner a bit by the doors and
>> the
>> >> rear luggage compatment (no need to remove the headliner).  But then
>> Dan
>> >> mis-remembered (it turns out, luckily for me) that some of the
>> hardware is
>> >> hidden under the sunroof pan, and I went back to Plan A which was to
>> caulk
>> >> the edges of the roof rails down on the exterior of the car, which
>> would
>> >> look rather tacky but might solve my leak.
>> >>
>> >> I decide to take a peak "just to make sure" and was very happy to find
>> the
>> >> Dan was right the first time, removing the roof rails doesn't look too
>> >> terrible.  According to the service manual, I will also need to remove
>> the
>> >> rear hatch struts, but I've BTDT and have the tools.
>> >>
>> >> Now you know what and where I'll be for the next few hours
>> >> -
>> >> Max
>> >> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] w123 brake upgrade

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Will take some in the daylight tomorrow.

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 7:54 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> Pics?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 28, 2018, at 10:51 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doing the second gen w126 front brake upgrade on the 123. Ordered all the
> > stuff today. New backing plates was the most expensive item. More than
> > rebuilt calipers. It needed new rotors anyway and I am very tired of the
> > rotors warping after stopping fast at lights.
> >
> > 126 calipers require 15" wheels, so now I have nothing stopping me,
> pardon
> > the pun. Anyway I am now running 225/60 r15s on the 85td. That is what
> the
> > wheels came with. Kumho Ecstar. Definitely notice the slight decrease in
> > get up and go, but the ride is tons better. Havent done sunset at speed
> > yet, so will see about cornering. But the car looks really pretty with
> this
> > setup, rides better and can still cruise up the sepulveda pass at 80, so
> > overall a success. Might do 225/50 next time just to compare.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 11:43 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >
> >> Today I had resolved to use the nice weather and time off from work to
> >> address the water leaking into my '87 wagon.
> >>
> >> Dan had early offered that the nuts holding down the roof rails were not
> >> too bad to get to, just pull back the headliner a bit by the doors and
> the
> >> rear luggage compatment (no need to remove the headliner).  But then Dan
> >> mis-remembered (it turns out, luckily for me) that some of the hardware
> is
> >> hidden under the sunroof pan, and I went back to Plan A which was to
> caulk
> >> the edges of the roof rails down on the exterior of the car, which would
> >> look rather tacky but might solve my leak.
> >>
> >> I decide to take a peak "just to make sure" and was very happy to find
> the
> >> Dan was right the first time, removing the roof rails doesn't look too
> >> terrible.  According to the service manual, I will also need to remove
> the
> >> rear hatch struts, but I've BTDT and have the tools.
> >>
> >> Now you know what and where I'll be for the next few hours
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] NOW - LIST MOM WARNING - Was: Least educated state

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Glad I skipped this thread.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 5:11 PM OK Don via Mercedes  What Dan said!!!
>
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:32 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I’m going to put this out to everyone - it is not directed at you,
> another
> > party, or anyone specific.
> >
> > The political sniping will stop. Now.  It drives other members away and
> > creates a caustic environment, which is not appropriate for this list.
> >
> > I have full pooferator powers and I will gladly engage them in future
> > instances should they occur.  If you can’t conduct yourself
> appropriately,
> > go somewhere else. I don’t care how discreet or insignificant the comment
> > seems, if it’s political in nature, you will be placed on moderation
> until
> > you can conduct yourself appropriately.
> >
> > You have been warned, and it is a final warning.  I’m tired of the “most
> > right” crap that’s been taking place.  It’s childish at best and a direct
> > attempt to slip past what is considered acceptable subject matter.  Take
> it
> > to Banned or somewhere else.  It doesn’t belong here.
> >
> > ‘nuf said.
> >
> > ListMom
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 27, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You will by now have observed that one party - not I - is consistently
> > > injecting his brand of politics into any discussion, no matter how
> > tenuous
> > > the connection.  If he stops doing this then I will have no reason to
> > > object, and we can all peacefully and fruitfully coexist.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:07 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Or take it to banned. We would love to discuss it there.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 27, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Knock it off, you two.  Take it private if you want to continue this
> > >> line.
> > >>>
> > >>> -D ListMom
> > >>>
> >  On Dec 27, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  Oh get over it.
> > 
> >  On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh! but Bummer the messiah knows better than YOU!
> > >
> > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/27/18 7:52 AM:
> > >> Does that mean that you also are no longer eligible for
> > >> time-and-a-half
> > >> overtime pay?  That happened at my place of employment back during
> > the
> > >> B.H.O. regime, really was a major pay cut for many of us.
> > >>
> > >> I used to run teams that went to client sites and installed LAN
> > > equipment.
> > >> I did the math, it was cheaper for the client if I sent a smaller
> > team
> > > and
> > >> then worked nights and weekends to get the job done early, and
> > >> beneficial
> > >> in many other ways.  My guys and gals loved it, they were TDY and
> > >> didn't
> > >> want to sit around the hotel, they'd rather be working, and
> getting
> > >> paid
> > >> 1.5 the normal hourly rate was very nice, on top of the per diem.
> > > Obummer
> > >> took that all away, moral plunged not only on my teams but across
> > the
> > >> entire organization.
> > >> -
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> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >>
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[MBZ] w123 brake upgrade

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Doing the second gen w126 front brake upgrade on the 123. Ordered all the
stuff today. New backing plates was the most expensive item. More than
rebuilt calipers. It needed new rotors anyway and I am very tired of the
rotors warping after stopping fast at lights.

126 calipers require 15" wheels, so now I have nothing stopping me, pardon
the pun. Anyway I am now running 225/60 r15s on the 85td. That is what the
wheels came with. Kumho Ecstar. Definitely notice the slight decrease in
get up and go, but the ride is tons better. Havent done sunset at speed
yet, so will see about cornering. But the car looks really pretty with this
setup, rides better and can still cruise up the sepulveda pass at 80, so
overall a success. Might do 225/50 next time just to compare.



On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 11:43 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> Today I had resolved to use the nice weather and time off from work to
> address the water leaking into my '87 wagon.
>
> Dan had early offered that the nuts holding down the roof rails were not
> too bad to get to, just pull back the headliner a bit by the doors and the
> rear luggage compatment (no need to remove the headliner).  But then Dan
> mis-remembered (it turns out, luckily for me) that some of the hardware is
> hidden under the sunroof pan, and I went back to Plan A which was to caulk
> the edges of the roof rails down on the exterior of the car, which would
> look rather tacky but might solve my leak.
>
> I decide to take a peak "just to make sure" and was very happy to find the
> Dan was right the first time, removing the roof rails doesn't look too
> terrible.  According to the service manual, I will also need to remove the
> rear hatch struts, but I've BTDT and have the tools.
>
> Now you know what and where I'll be for the next few hours
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT listing to music on amazon prime via my firestick

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Maybe forget the car stereo entirely. Just get a rechargeable jbl
bluetoorh, download whatever you wany to your phone, and play it through
the speaker. I often listen to just the phone speaker, streaming whatever
ted talk on youtube or similar while I drive home. I lost the faceplate on
the radio in the 123 about five years ago and never looked back. The phone
stuff just keeps getting better and there are no ads at all.

I have a denon heos receiver that streams directly from any music source.
There is a phone app to control it. So I use the phone to stream music
through the amp to my ceiling speakers also. Could use alexa but no need.





On Dec 28, 2018 6:29 PM, "fmiser via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Kaleb wrote:

> It is amazing how much higher quality the stereo sounds is on
> old recordings such as these from the 50's and 60's.  Far
> superior to anything you will find today.

Less processing - especially compression (dynamic range, not file
size).

It's possible to get better sound now - but only if someone bucks
the trends in popular music.


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Re: [MBZ] That recent discussion of bulb-out relays ...

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Nice. Thanks for that. I didnt know there were different wattages for the
bulbs.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 7:45 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes  The last 100W high-beam bulbs I bought were cheap at NAPA.  WAY cheaper
> than all the high-wattage boutique stuff.  Ask for "motorcycle headlamps".
> This was a few years ago.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] White Whale Water Works

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Great work.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 3:08 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  I think I found the leak.  See picture in this Google Drive folder.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxk8a928B3RxZW9hTGZqSkJiRGM
>
> The roof rack rail sits in a channel. In that channel there is a seam,
> sealed with caulk. Seam runs the length of the car. Caulk is old, cracking.
> Worse place was just by the A pillar, perfect point for letting water into
> the passenger side.
>
> I put fresh polyurethane caulk over it.
>
> Rain tomorrow, we'll see if this is the fix.
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Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

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No its not valve overlap. Its just keeping the AFR where it belongs. Egt
goes up as afr goes down, which is opposite of gas. To get enough air
molecules into the motor to burn more fuel, you need higher air density. So
you need higher pressure at similar temp, or lower temp at the same
pressure, etc.

It only really matters at higher duty cycles, because the motor can
tolerate really high egt for short amounts of time. But if you want to be
safe, and you dont want to have to watch your egt like a hawk every time
you cane it, you do the math and provide a cushion with some headroom to
maintain a safe AFR for the motor even at max fuel. This is where most
designs fall short, because it requires a huge turbo to do it right, which
is tremendously laggy on a small displacement motor. It will idle, then
take forever to spool, and then when it does spool the alda adds 2x more
fuel at the same throttle position, which means it is undriveable for
anything except burnouts. An example would be the hx40, which people use to
good effect, but it is actually too small to give you enough air and clean
exhaust at the fuel levels required for 450hp. Smokes like hell for a few
seconds before spool, then goes like hell with high egt and still too much
smoke. Not a very refined package. Going to an hx52 just makes the low rpm
and spool characteristics worse, so it becomes undriveable.

Compounds give you the early spool so the throttle can be used at all rpms
to modulate the power - not just above 3000. Use a vnt or a small he221 or
hx30 with a 6cm housing to get early spool, then use that air mass to spool
the large turbo. The large turbo just pressurizes the room that the small
turbo lives in, so that it can flow 2-3x more air mass than it was designed
to.

This gets back to the intercooler air flow resistance question. Yes 80
lb/min is a huge volume at 14.7 psi. But at 60psia it is a lot less volume
and it flows just fine through the intercooler. Volume flow through the
motor per revolution remains constant. The manifold air density varies by a
factor of 3 or 4, depending upon how efficiently it is compressed and
cooled and what ambient temps are.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 9:46 AM MG via Mercedes  So increased overlap on the valves to blow
> cooling air through? I guess I have to read
> up on a lot of that stuff. It's been a long
> time. I'm only running around 14 or so on a
> stock 617 engine with 313,000 miles on it.
> Thinking of possibly adding propane injection
> but no good place to put a tank in a station
> wagon.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Yes an egt probe is sort of a given with any added fuel. I may do a boost
> > controller to the alda pressure to regulate how and when it adds fuel.
> >
> > With adequate intercooling, adding air (increasing AFR) cools the egt, so
> > maintaining 17:1 or higher is the goal to prevent excessive smoke. It
> would
> > run a bit cooler at 18:1.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 6:43 AM MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >> Make sure you have EGT. 45psi is way up there
> >> beyond piston melting range. might need
> >> water/methanol injection also.
> >>
> >> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.
> >>>
> >>> Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and
> maximizing
> >>>> frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up
> >> there
> >>>> due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of
> >> the
> >>>> right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.
> >>>>
> >>>> Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I
> will
> >>>> be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat
> >> than
> >>>> 19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will
> >> require
> >>>> up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very
> often,
> >> but
> >>>> I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out
> >> with
> >>>> kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot
> >> of
> >>>> intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of
> heat
> >>>> dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a
> >> lot of
> >>>> fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water
> >> flow
> 

Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes an egt probe is sort of a given with any added fuel. I may do a boost
controller to the alda pressure to regulate how and when it adds fuel.

With adequate intercooling, adding air (increasing AFR) cools the egt, so
maintaining 17:1 or higher is the goal to prevent excessive smoke. It would
run a bit cooler at 18:1.


On Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 6:43 AM MG via Mercedes  Make sure you have EGT. 45psi is way up there
> beyond piston melting range. might need
> water/methanol injection also.
>
> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.
> >
> > Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and maximizing
> >> frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up
> there
> >> due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.
> >>
> >> I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of
> the
> >> right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.
> >>
> >> Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I will
> >> be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat
> than
> >> 19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will
> require
> >> up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very often,
> but
> >> I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out
> with
> >> kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot
> of
> >> intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of heat
> >> dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a
> lot of
> >> fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.
> >>
> >> There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water
> flow
> >> and the pressure/flow curve on the fluid pump. Most of the pumps used
> are
> >> low pressure, high flow. The heat exchangers become the bottleneck,
> mostly
> >> the radiator. So you need a good higher pressure pump like a Pierburg
> 50 or
> >> 100 series to make the required flow happen at 1 bar or whatever. I
> think
> >> some of the higher end mercs use them, and BMW also. This is only if you
> >> want it to keep up with the heat input at high sustained power output.
> >> Otherwise, for short bursts of power, a big tank of water does the trick
> >> with a crappy pump.
> >>
> >> I plan to fully instrument the thing. Unfortunately I have to add the
> >> whole setup to the car, as none of the required sensors are in place,
> e.g.
> >> TPS, IAT, ambient temp, pre/post intercooler water and air temps. And
> the
> >> turbo rpms to see where it is running on its map. I should be able to
> >> calculate cooler and turbo compressor efficiencies for both turbos.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for the graph. Cool Cruze! (but no diesel? What kind of
> motor
> >> does it have?)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 4:04 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>> On December 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Switching to air/water. Not stock. Maybe people have some input on
> heat
> >>>> exchangers...
> >>>>
> >>>> https://youtu.be/kjTc9UYTlFk
> >>>>
> >>> I find it hard to get excited about water/air.
> >>> If I had a rear or mid engine car it might be necessary.
> >>>
> >>> Attached is a screenshot of a 8 second full throttle hillclimb in a
> 195hp
> >>> gasser at 19psi boost with a factory A-A intercooler smaller than the
> one
> >>> that came with the 1999 E300.
> >>> Pic of cooler:
> https://www.gmoutletparts.com/oem-parts/gm-cooler-39116550
> >>> I can measure the cooler if you want.
> >>>
> >>> Ambient temp was 30-32 degrees F, manifold temp actually dropped from
> 43
> >>> to 39 during the run as the car accelerated to 70mph. Water temp stayed
> >>> pretty constant at 181-183.
> >>> If manifold temps with that little A-A are about 10 degrees above
> >>> ambient, I don't think you're going to beat that with W-A unless you're
> >>> towing heavy loads at low speed and have a lot of room up front for
> coolers.
> >>>
> >>> With an unladen car, you simply can't keep your foot in it for long
> >>> with

Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Sent it from the wrong account so it bounced.

Great feedback Mitch. It is really just a packaging issue and maximizing
> frontal area on the car. I cannot fit a decent air to air coooler up there
> due to the curve of the bumper fascia and the existing bumper.
>
> I will likely add another smaller water cooler in parallel in front of the
> right front wheel,  from an M4 or M5.
>
> Only two differences I can think of from the Cruze. One is boost. I will
> be running up to 3 bar of boost, like 45 psi. That is a lot more heat than
> 19psi, assuming similar motor displacement and rpm. My setup will require
> up to 80lb/min at full trot, which I do not plan to explore very often, but
> I keep thinking that going up the grapevine when it is 90 degrees out with
> kids and wife and a car full of luggage and the AC on might want a lot of
> intercooler. That is pretty much my worst case scenario in terms of heat
> dissipation, unless I take it out on a road course, which would be a lot of
> fun and is sort of my gold standard for performance.
>
> There are more variables to chase with air to water. Namely the water flow
> and the pressure/flow curve on the fluid pump. Most of the pumps used are
> low pressure, high flow. The heat exchangers become the bottleneck, mostly
> the radiator. So you need a good higher pressure pump like a Pierburg 50 or
> 100 series to make the required flow happen at 1 bar or whatever. I think
> some of the higher end mercs use them, and BMW also. This is only if you
> want it to keep up with the heat input at high sustained power output.
> Otherwise, for short bursts of power, a big tank of water does the trick
> with a crappy pump.
>
> I plan to fully instrument the thing. Unfortunately I have to add the
> whole setup to the car, as none of the required sensors are in place, e.g.
> TPS, IAT, ambient temp, pre/post intercooler water and air temps. And the
> turbo rpms to see where it is running on its map. I should be able to
> calculate cooler and turbo compressor efficiencies for both turbos.
>
> Thanks again for the graph. Cool Cruze! (but no diesel? What kind of motor
> does it have?)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 4:04 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
>>
>> > On December 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Switching to air/water. Not stock. Maybe people have some input on heat
>> > exchangers...
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/kjTc9UYTlFk
>> >
>>
>> I find it hard to get excited about water/air.
>> If I had a rear or mid engine car it might be necessary.
>>
>> Attached is a screenshot of a 8 second full throttle hillclimb in a 195hp
>> gasser at 19psi boost with a factory A-A intercooler smaller than the one
>> that came with the 1999 E300.
>> Pic of cooler: https://www.gmoutletparts.com/oem-parts/gm-cooler-39116550
>> I can measure the cooler if you want.
>>
>> Ambient temp was 30-32 degrees F, manifold temp actually dropped from 43
>> to 39 during the run as the car accelerated to 70mph. Water temp stayed
>> pretty constant at 181-183.
>> If manifold temps with that little A-A are about 10 degrees above
>> ambient, I don't think you're going to beat that with W-A unless you're
>> towing heavy loads at low speed and have a lot of room up front for coolers.
>>
>> With an unladen car, you simply can't keep your foot in it for long
>> without airspeed reaching 'wow, look at that
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Re: [MBZ] OT intercooling options

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yah thats me on the vid.

That Tesla part was actually new. It is so thin it could easily be bent in
packing, but you wouldnt believe the box it came in. Very well packed. I
think it was the factory oem box. Anyway it is a constant radius. Doesnt
look like an accident. Almost imperceptible but definitely curved.

You make a good point about the airflow. I am shopping remote radiators
from bmw air water setups eg 2016 750Li and they are all thicker than the
tesla unit, implying good airflow. I will put one in  the right front wheel
well. I already have the oil cooler in front of the left wheel.

The fin count on the tesla unit is insanely high. I have never seen 24 fpi.
Almost one every mm.

Yes the post turbo air could be 350-370 degrees I think. Depends upon where
it runs on the compressor map eg 60% vs 70% efficiency. Will have to look
back at the spreadsheet.

Regards,
K

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>
> I just watched the video I downloaded this morning.
> You made that, didn't you?
>
> Is that from a wrecked car?
> If so, it's possible a new one wouldn't be slightly bowed.
> I never did the math, didn't realize something that size could have 2000
> sq in of fins.
>
> Should be interesting to see your air temp at the turbo outlet vs your
> manifold temp.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

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The aircraft stuff is $468 for 36 yards of 6", so I think I will pass on
that.

The amazon stuff is also 3m and advertised for the application, so I will
order some up. It goes on like window tint, so should be straightforward to
remove if needed also.

K

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 12:59 PM OK Don via Mercedes  This is sold for the purpose, but is vinyl - don't know if that's a good
> thing or not.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/VViViD-Extra-Wide-Headlight-Protective-Scratch-Proof/dp/B0728HQ3J7
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:54 PM OK Don  wrote:
>
> > How about some of this tape?
> >
> >
> https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/protectiveLeading.php?clickkey=4949307
> > or perhaps:
> >
> https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/3mproptape2.php?clickkey=4949307
> >
> > I might need to get some for the Subaru, now that I think of it . . .
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:20 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> OK my high beam came back with the #16 fuse replacement. Simple enough.
> >>
> >> Now, since my nice new Hella lenses are so shiny, what's the consensus
> to
> >> keep the rocks and sand from chipping them all up? And did anyone ever
> >> figure out how to polish the lenses? I would think some 200 grit
> sandpaper
> >> would be a good place to start on my old ones. I tried my rear window
> but
> >> didn't make much of an impression with the wiper scratch thing.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking someone must sell a plastic laminate clear coat or
> >> something...
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 6:23 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I had to get new ceramic sockets for the 91 SEC, the old plastic
> sockets
> >> > had melted, one such that there was no power to the bulb at all. I
> >> recall I
> >> > had to take the dremel to one of them to get it to fit in the
> headlight
> >> > housing. They were pretty cheap on the site of aggressive wimmins.
> NAPA
> >> had
> >> > plastic on the rack but the ceramics are better
> >> >
> >> > --R
> >> > Sent from iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > The light harness on the pre facelift 124s fail regularly.  So much
> so
> >> > that any 124 light I see in a pnp, I will pull the assembly or if it
> is
> >> > junk, pull the wiring harness if I have time.   Often, the plug burns.
> >>  I
> >> > tried a FLAPS replacement plug, but did not last.The wire is not
> big
> >> > enough for safe operation after the warranty runs out.  It overheats
> and
> >> > melts things.
> >> > >
> >> > > I've not found a practical way to build a new harness with bigger
> >> wire.
> >> > >
> >> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 9:20 PM:
> >> > >> The Latvians have the magnettis on their website, so we'll see what
> >> > >> happens. So far everything has shown up (sooner or later) from
> them.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Ok now for the interesting part. I thought I had two h4 bulbs out.
> >> High
> >> > >> beam on one side, low beam on the other. But nope - only one bulb
> was
> >> > out.
> >> > >> Something else has failed on the right, but only on the high beam!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I put 12v to both posts on the new bulb and both elements are fine,
> >> but
> >> > the
> >> > >> high beam on the right side will not come on. I find this odd, but
> I
> >> > havent
> >> > >> googled it yet.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> New lenses look the business! The housings are really tired though.
> >> They
> >> > >> have little manometers and various other doodads inside but the
> tabs
> >> are
> >> > >> failing. I see you can order reflectors separately, but if the tabs
> >> are
> >> > >> gone there is little point.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Maybe I should put the new stalk in the car, but I dont see how
> that
> >> > could
> >> > >> give you one bright but not the other...
> >&g

Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

OK my high beam came back with the #16 fuse replacement. Simple enough.

Now, since my nice new Hella lenses are so shiny, what's the consensus to
keep the rocks and sand from chipping them all up? And did anyone ever
figure out how to polish the lenses? I would think some 200 grit sandpaper
would be a good place to start on my old ones. I tried my rear window but
didn't make much of an impression with the wiper scratch thing.

I'm thinking someone must sell a plastic laminate clear coat or something...

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 6:23 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I had to get new ceramic sockets for the 91 SEC, the old plastic sockets
> had melted, one such that there was no power to the bulb at all. I recall I
> had to take the dremel to one of them to get it to fit in the headlight
> housing. They were pretty cheap on the site of aggressive wimmins. NAPA had
> plastic on the rack but the ceramics are better
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Dec 22, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The light harness on the pre facelift 124s fail regularly.  So much so
> that any 124 light I see in a pnp, I will pull the assembly or if it is
> junk, pull the wiring harness if I have time.   Often, the plug burns.   I
> tried a FLAPS replacement plug, but did not last.The wire is not big
> enough for safe operation after the warranty runs out.  It overheats and
> melts things.
> >
> > I've not found a practical way to build a new harness with bigger wire.
> >
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 9:20 PM:
> >> The Latvians have the magnettis on their website, so we'll see what
> >> happens. So far everything has shown up (sooner or later) from them.
> >>
> >> Ok now for the interesting part. I thought I had two h4 bulbs out. High
> >> beam on one side, low beam on the other. But nope - only one bulb was
> out.
> >> Something else has failed on the right, but only on the high beam!
> >>
> >> I put 12v to both posts on the new bulb and both elements are fine, but
> the
> >> high beam on the right side will not come on. I find this odd, but I
> havent
> >> googled it yet.
> >>
> >> New lenses look the business! The housings are really tired though. They
> >> have little manometers and various other doodads inside but the tabs are
> >> failing. I see you can order reflectors separately, but if the tabs are
> >> gone there is little point.
> >>
> >> Maybe I should put the new stalk in the car, but I dont see how that
> could
> >> give you one bright but not the other...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 6:09 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Facelift Euros are unobtanium, I believe.  Even in the aftermarket.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>> the  earlier hood and grille are easier to deal with because the hood
> is
> >>> more nearly flat.  I think they look better than the "facelift" 124s.
> >>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 5:10 PM:
> >>>>> I snagged a nice pair of facelift 124 headlights for something like
> $25
> >>> each from lkq, couple years ago. I should look for a white face lift
> hood,
> >>> then mount that set up on The White Whale.
> >>>>
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[MBZ] OT intercooling options

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Switching to air/water. Not stock. Maybe people have some input on heat
exchangers...

https://youtu.be/kjTc9UYTlFk


On Dec 25, 2018 4:24 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

That would be the same military that dumped a few million gallons of Agent
Orange, and used to assign privates and corporals the job of burning human
waste by flooding the cut in half 55 gallon barrels with jet A and lighting
it in Vietnam?
Yeah I thought so.. ;))


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Dan, thanks for that reminder.  I wonder how the pharmacies dispose of the
> excess meds...
>
> Once at a military command I was the officer selected to witness (sign
for)
> the destruction of prescription meds.  They were all flushed down the
> toilet.   That was years ago, I wonder if they have a different procedure
> now.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 11:45 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Don’t flush pharmaceuticals, please.  Your local pharmacist will gladly
> > take them to dispose of them.
> >
> > I saw an internal report on the pharmaceuticals that show up in our
> > county’s wastewater treatment system and it was pretty frightening.
> > Granted, many of these are trace amounts, but there’s no system that can
> > take them out of the effluent stream, so they end up in the outflow from
> > the treatment plants.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Bitte Schon Craig!

FYI My cousin is a semi dealer if you ever want to up or downgrade.

Look forward to hearing the om602 chronicles.

Karl

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 12:20 PM Craig via Mercedes  On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 11:55:11 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
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>
> > Cool 2.5 Craig!
>
> Danke Schön, Karl!
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Apparently the OE metal caps are a collector type item. About 50-75 apiece
on bay of fleas. Included with purchase in this case.

Not cheap but the wheels are over 500 a copy from mercedes last time I
checked about 5 years ago. I do not think you can get metal center caps at
all.

With tires and caps saved at a few hundred per wheel. Sometimes the stars
line up. Completely unnecessary but still cool. Car doesnt owe me anything
after 20 years. Might as well dress her up a little. I always keep good
rubber on as cheap insurance, and she was due for that anyway.

Cool 2.5 Craig!

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 11:31 AM Craig via Mercedes  On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 09:24:00 -0800 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Anyway he had no use for the wheels and metal center caps.
>
> Metal center caps?
>
> Are those still available? Do I even want to ask how much they cost?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yah set a goal and stick with it. Maybe a two week taper to motrin. And
Norco might suffice if you are otherwise opioid naive. Just dont take more
than 8 per day of either norco or percocet or you will hit the 3g tylenol
limit.

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 9:25 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> If Oxycodone is Percocet,  just remember that anything which feels so good
> can't  be that good.  When I had my surgeries as soon as the edge of pain
> started receding I switched from Percocet to ibuprofen if I could get away
> with it.  Over the years I ended up with several dozen unconsumed Perc
> pills.  They are WAY overprescribed.  Now they are urging docs to issue an
> Rx for only a few days at a time.
>
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 12:06 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Merry Christmas all you knuckleheads. Hope everyone is enjoying time with
> > whomever you choose to be with.
> > Since it’s perfect outdoors (70 degrees F, sunny) and since the children
> > won’t be here until this evening, I think I will go all Martha on my
> beater
> > Subaru.
> > While installing the new rear struts on Saturday, I was poking at the
> very
> > rusty exhaust components and I managed to snap the coupling between the
> > downpipes and the cat in two. Now I sound like a stockcar when driving
> > around.
> >
> > Bob R
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Dec 25, 2018, at 9:54 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I thought he meant Quantas and was heading for the downunder
> > >
> > > But whatever floats yer boat!
> > >
> > > --FT
> > > Sent from iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Dec 25, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It’s the Okie version
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Dec 25, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> You might want to learn how to spell it correctly first…or is that
> the
> > Okie version?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  On Dec 25, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  I celebrate quansa
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > > On Dec 25, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Or whatever you care to celebrate at this time of year.  Hope this
> > has been a good year, and next year is even better.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas!

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Same to you and all MBZ ers.

Santa came in the form of 5 never used OE Fuchs 15" wheels, 4 of them with
Kumho Ecstar 225/50s with stickers still on the tires. Neighbor is a
retired EE who got into 6.3 and 6.9 cars. He recently sold one to kuwait
and one to German reseller, both for record money as he had them very well
sorted and they were low mile single owner california cars before he bought
them. Anyway he had no use for the wheels and metal center caps. They will
look good on the 123 wagon. Convenient as current tires are, well, tired.
Probably pick up some new lug bolts to complete the look.

Peace,
Karl

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> been a good year, and next year is even better.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: package thieves

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Yeah its pretty easy to tell the shills from the real criminals. Still a
great device. I was hoping he would use one of those blue ink things they
put on clothing. Or pepper spray. There is a dude that sells pepper spray
devices for home intrusion, which would probably work quite well.

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> luck, so she asked a couple of her friends to steal it for her.
> I wonder if they knew just how many decades it takes to get rid of a half
> pound of glitter before they volunteered. The inventor edited out those two
> 'thieves', and Gizmodo released a video showing which two were deleted:
>
>
> https://gizmodo.com/viral-video-of-glitter-bomb-for-package-thieves-exposed-1831254130
>
> > On December 18, 2018 at 11:29 AM Mitch Haley 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ever come home and find out some jerk stole your $300 box of MBZ pahts
> after the brown suited guy left it on your porsche?
> >
> > Well, this fellow decided to do something about it.
> > My only regret is he blurred out the faces of the guilty.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoxhDk-hwuo
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Hella lenses. Made in czech republic. Old ones were bosch. The new ones
look stunning compared to the originals - like the difference between
sandblasted glass and non. Mine were really shot.

New whole assemblies are magnetti marelli.

If you are after early style US spec the manufacturer may differ. But they
tell you who the manufacturer is on the specs, even on amazon.

Its the cars245.com guys Dan uses.

They are also on Amazon as gear245 I think. And on ebay. Prices are a bit
more on amazon and ebay but not that much after shipping, which is included
on amazon. I think these complete lights with side lenses were about 200 a
copy plus 70 shipping for both. Be careful about the right hand vs left
hand traffic. I think there are plenty of early US style lenses remaining.
They show quantity on the site.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 7:51 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes  Karl, who is your source for lenses for 124 Euro lights?  Do they sell
> Bosch?
> --
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> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On December 23, 2018 12:25:25 AM EST, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Yes no amount of bulbs is going to fix this bulb out light either Im
> >afraid.
> >
> >Anyway one guy had the same syndrome and traced it to a wire from the
> >fuse
> >box to the lamp failure module. So it could really be anywhere:
> >
> >
> >   -
> >   geoffreymbrown
> >
> >   BenzWorld Junior MemberJoin: Dec 2009Posts: 20Bloomington, Indiana
> >   Apr 09, 2011 · #10
> >Oops -- life seems to have gotten in the way of slaying this gremlin.
> >So
> >I've followed the advice and did the following test with my multimeter.
> >With the lamp control module removed, but high beams on I get 12v at
> >x1-1
> >(left high power) but not at x1-3 (right high power) to the lamp
> >control
> >module. I do get power at both fuses (15 & 16) so it would appear
> >theres an
> >   issue with the wire from fuse 16 to x1-3.
> >  Not sure I want to pull the fuse box to fix this. Out of curiosity --
> >   how problematic a task would it be ?
> >
> >
> >I will pull the voltmeter tomorrow and go after it a bit more.
> >
> >*Thanks.*
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 9:00 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> >> my 124 does not have a bubout circuit, so I don't care.   My escort
> >> dissel had a bubout, but it went crazy an no amount of correct bubs
> >> would shut it off, so I learned to ignore the bubout circuits long
> >ago.
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Re: [MBZ] Drove the SL this morning

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Holy cow. Feel better. Get yourself fixed up.

Use it or lose it. At least you went down swinging :-)

On Sun, Dec 23, 2018, 10:07 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> To play Ultimate for the first time in 10yr 5mo 3wk and ended up in an
> ambulance to the ER!  Went for the big catch and fell and looks like I
> might have cracked a hip or femur or something.  One of the guys I had
> played with drove the SL home.
>
> BTW the doc just came and said I had a cracked bone, hip replacement
> time!  Yay me!  What a sh*tshow!
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Re: [MBZ] Tires for the 1993 E300D/2.5 Turbo

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I typically go with the highest letter rating as it means more polyester
plies in the sidewall and better cornering performance from the stiffer
sidewall. The td is supposed to have h rated but they are hard to find.
Some lady posted a set of 15 inch bundts with kumhos locally from a 126, so
I may scoop them up.

Have had good luck with Hankook. Put a set of kumo all seasons on the
touareg and they perform well but the tread blocks are so big that they are
very noisy, so look out for that.


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Re: [MBZ] Today's Finnie Fun!

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Virtually every one of these cars was custom ordered. Some were european
delivery. My old 190dc was purchased through an oldsmobile dealer in PA in
1963. Black with red interior. Seatbelts were an option.

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> So much better than black.  Wonder why it's uncommon?
>
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> > DB332, dark blue.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Dec 22, 2018, at 9:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Stunning!  What's the color code?
> > >
> > > On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 9:36 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > > It never ends….
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/22_You_never_knowhtml
> > <
> >
> http://penoff.com/1965_220SEb_Blog/Entries/2018/12/22_You_never_knowhtml
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes no amount of bulbs is going to fix this bulb out light either Im afraid.

Anyway one guy had the same syndrome and traced it to a wire from the fuse
box to the lamp failure module. So it could really be anywhere:


   -
   geoffreymbrown

   BenzWorld Junior MemberJoin: Dec 2009Posts: 20Bloomington, Indiana
   Apr 09, 2011 · #10
   Oops -- life seems to have gotten in the way of slaying this gremlin. So
   I've followed the advice and did the following test with my multimeter.
   With the lamp control module removed, but high beams on I get 12v at x1-1
   (left high power) but not at x1-3 (right high power) to the lamp control
   module. I do get power at both fuses (15 & 16) so it would appear theres an
   issue with the wire from fuse 16 to x1-3.
   Not sure I want to pull the fuse box to fix this. Out of curiosity --
   how problematic a task would it be ?


I will pull the voltmeter tomorrow and go after it a bit more.

*Thanks.*


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> dissel had a bubout, but it went crazy an no amount of correct bubs
> would shut it off, so I learned to ignore the bubout circuits long ago.
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok whoever Left Coast Geek is on benzworld knows quite a bit. Apparently
there is an independent fuse for each beam on each side...guess I need to
check them all. Definitely swap in the new stalk switch and maybe swap out
the relay for good measure.


   - Feb 19, 2015 · #14
   GaryE said:
   Original Post
   
<https://www.benzworld.org/forums/w124-e-ce-d-td-class/1268626-low-beam-not-working-but-high.html#/topics/0?postid=11396497>
   Both low beams went out at night on the road. I discovered later that
   the high beams work. I checked fuses. No problem. I bought and installed
   bulbs in each light one at a time and tried the lights. Low beams still
   out, but high beams work. Based on questions on line, this seems to be a
   problem that happens with Mercedes. What do I check next to correct the
   problem? Not practical to drive at night with just high beams. The closest
   dealer is 90 miles away.

   study the wiring diagram, get in there with a volt meter and determine
   where the problem is.
   E320 Sedan light wiring: 24821700.pdf
   <http://new.freescruz.com/.priv/W124/w124CD1/Program/ETM/24821700.pdf>
   E320 Wagon light wiring: 24821300.pdf
   <http://new.freescruz.com/.priv/W124/w124CD1/Program/ETM/24821300.pdf>
   there's also separate pages for coupe and cabrio...
   looking at the wagon diagram, S4 is the combination switch on the stalk,
   and S4s3 is the high/low switch contacts within that. one wire comes out of
   that for high and another for low, these two wires go to the fuse panel,
   where each is connected to a pair of fuses (so a fuse for left high, right
   high, left low, right low), then those 4 fuses go to the
   light-failure-monitor mess N7, and N7 in turn connects to each of the lamps.
   so... turn on your (not working) low beams, and see if there's voltage
   on the low beam fuses (14 and 13, I think?)... if not, its probably the
   S4s3 switch (or the wires between that switch in the steering column, and
   the fuse panel)...
   -



On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 7:20 PM Karl Wittnebel  The Latvians have the magnettis on their website, so we'll see what
> happens. So far everything has shown up (sooner or later) from them.
>
> Ok now for the interesting part. I thought I had two h4 bulbs out. High
> beam on one side, low beam on the other. But nope - only one bulb was out.
> Something else has failed on the right, but only on the high beam!
>
> I put 12v to both posts on the new bulb and both elements are fine, but
> the high beam on the right side will not come on. I find this odd, but I
> havent googled it yet.
>
> New lenses look the business! The housings are really tired though. They
> have little manometers and various other doodads inside but the tabs are
> failing. I see you can order reflectors separately, but if the tabs are
> gone there is little point.
>
> Maybe I should put the new stalk in the car, but I dont see how that could
> give you one bright but not the other...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>> Facelift Euros are unobtanium, I believe.  Even in the aftermarket.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > the  earlier hood and grille are easier to deal with because the hood
>> is more nearly flat.  I think they look better than the "facelift" 124s.
>> >
>> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 5:10 PM:
>> >> I snagged a nice pair of facelift 124 headlights for something like
>> $25 each from lkq, couple years ago. I should look for a white face lift
>> hood, then mount that set up on The White Whale.
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

The Latvians have the magnettis on their website, so we'll see what
happens. So far everything has shown up (sooner or later) from them.

Ok now for the interesting part. I thought I had two h4 bulbs out. High
beam on one side, low beam on the other. But nope - only one bulb was out.
Something else has failed on the right, but only on the high beam!

I put 12v to both posts on the new bulb and both elements are fine, but the
high beam on the right side will not come on. I find this odd, but I havent
googled it yet.

New lenses look the business! The housings are really tired though. They
have little manometers and various other doodads inside but the tabs are
failing. I see you can order reflectors separately, but if the tabs are
gone there is little point.

Maybe I should put the new stalk in the car, but I dont see how that could
give you one bright but not the other...








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>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 22, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > the  earlier hood and grille are easier to deal with because the hood is
> more nearly flat.  I think they look better than the "facelift" 124s.
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 5:10 PM:
> >> I snagged a nice pair of facelift 124 headlights for something like $25
> each from lkq, couple years ago. I should look for a white face lift hood,
> then mount that set up on The White Whale.
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

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I dont think there is any way those ebay bosch euros are new from the
photos. Too dirty and pitted.

I just ordered some magneti marellis for the 300td. I can use the new hella
lenses I just received on the e420.

To answer my own question, the housings I have are euro. The new lenses are
euro. The euro housings dont even take the same bulbs as the US ones. H3 vs
9004 or something for the fogs. So I suppose the reflectors must be
different also from US to euro.

Would like to try some leds, so I will see if there are any at the store to
look at the emitter sizes.



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> The LEDs need small emitters, oriented sideways.
> If they have rounded lenses over the actual LEDs, they'll never focus
> decently.
> The good ones use Philips emitters.
>
> Rusty used to like the TYC euros, but iirc Jaime was skeptical.
> I can find Depo on the bay of fleas for $165, but don't know anything
> about that brand.
> I did find a supposedly new set of Bosch euros for $230, if you have the
> 94-95 facelifted front end on your car:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Euro-Headlights-W124-94-95-E320-94-95-400E-E420-1995-E300/142647898521
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

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It is a facelift w124. Single lens and gasket.
>
> 124 820 8959 is the housing. Lenses look similar to bosch that are on the
> car, but a few more fresnel elements etc.
>
> I guess the facelift cars would have US spec and euro spec lenses. But are
> the housings different? I assumed the housings were all the same for
> facelift cars on both sides of the ocean.
>
> Thanks for any input,
> Karl
>
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 11:54 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
>> are these for USA lights or yuro lights?   I thought you bought the
>> whole yuro unit, but your description sounds like you got just the lens
>> for the USA headlight.
>>
>> If USA, you should buy the lens and reflector together, or buy the whole
>> yuro headlight units.
>>
>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote on 12/22/18 1:27 PM:
>> >> OK what's the consensus on buying new headlight housings vs. just the
>> >> lenses and using used housings/reflectors?
>> >
>> > A few days ago a package shows up with new Hella lenses from Belarus or
>> > something like that (not sure - I tried the Latvian guys but never got
>> the
>> > money wired, so I reordered from another former Russian republic).  So
>> I go
>> > out today to finally replace my old lenses only to discover the tabs
>> > holding the lens in place are half gone, 2/4 broken off. Drat!
>> >
>> > Then I take a look at the reflectors and they are pretty shiny on the
>> > inside but the little bucket around the bulb is coated in white fluff
>> that
>> > is probably full of mercury or asbestos or some other toxic stuff on
>> both
>> > the inside and the outside of the bucket, and the reflector itself
>> seems to
>> > have lost its shine on the back side (front side seems OK but is very
>> dusty
>> > with the same white fluff). And I don't want to mess up the reflective
>> > surface trying to remove the white fluffy dust stuff, though I would do
>> it
>> > with some reading I suppose.
>> >
>> > So it has me thinking I should have ordered the entire lights, as I
>> would
>> > have new housing tabs and reflectors as well as new lenses and turn
>> signals!
>> >
>> > What is the collective wisdom on this? Clean the old ones and use
>> aircraft
>> > wire to hold the lenses on, buy used housings on eBay and risk tab
>> failure,
>> > or buy new from bananazon or eBay?
>> >
>> > My bulbs are also bad so I may pick up a set of cheapo LEDs and see how
>> > they look. The OSRAMs have a little separate filament with a shade so it
>> > only shines upward; this is inside the bulb. I am suspicious that the
>> LED
>> > guys have not fully sorted their bulbs to the same degree, but I will
>> check.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

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I think the latvians have the whole Hella unit available still.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:52 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
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> Depo is OK, although I've seen one with a broken adjuster link.
>
> I put them on the old 300D some years back, worked fine.  A vast
> improvement over the DOT at any rate, and not terribly expensive.  Bosch or
> Hella are better, but hard to find for the 86-93 body.
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

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Ok are we talking housings, or just the lenses?

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> The Euro lights are vastly superior (you will have to dim your brights for
> oncoming traffic, for instance, something I never need to do with the DOT
> ones).
>
> If you can find some, the Hella are the best, but get new if possible,
> even cheap chinese stuff.  Used ones will very likely be quite similar to
> what you currently have
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Re: [MBZ] : w124 headlights

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Great info. Thanks.

On Sat, Dec 22, 2018, 12:48 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> The LEDs need small emitters, oriented sideways.
> If they have rounded lenses over the actual LEDs, they'll never focus
> decently.
> The good ones use Philips emitters.
>
> Rusty used to like the TYC euros, but iirc Jaime was skeptical.
> I can find Depo on the bay of fleas for $165, but don't know anything
> about that brand.
> I did find a supposedly new set of Bosch euros for $230, if you have the
> 94-95 facelifted front end on your car:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Euro-Headlights-W124-94-95-E320-94-95-400E-E420-1995-E300/142647898521
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[MBZ] : w124 headlights

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

>
> OK what's the consensus on buying new headlight housings vs. just the
> lenses and using used housings/reflectors?


A few days ago a package shows up with new Hella lenses from Belarus or
something like that (not sure - I tried the Latvian guys but never got the
money wired, so I reordered from another former Russian republic).  So I go
out today to finally replace my old lenses only to discover the tabs
holding the lens in place are half gone, 2/4 broken off. Drat!

Then I take a look at the reflectors and they are pretty shiny on the
inside but the little bucket around the bulb is coated in white fluff that
is probably full of mercury or asbestos or some other toxic stuff on both
the inside and the outside of the bucket, and the reflector itself seems to
have lost its shine on the back side (front side seems OK but is very dusty
with the same white fluff). And I don't want to mess up the reflective
surface trying to remove the white fluffy dust stuff, though I would do it
with some reading I suppose.

So it has me thinking I should have ordered the entire lights, as I would
have new housing tabs and reflectors as well as new lenses and turn signals!

What is the collective wisdom on this? Clean the old ones and use aircraft
wire to hold the lenses on, buy used housings on eBay and risk tab failure,
or buy new from bananazon or eBay?

My bulbs are also bad so I may pick up a set of cheapo LEDs and see how
they look. The OSRAMs have a little separate filament with a shade so it
only shines upward; this is inside the bulb. I am suspicious that the LED
guys have not fully sorted their bulbs to the same degree, but I will check.

Karl
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Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

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Yes the volt is gone.

The price of electricity is regulated far more than the price of fuel. So
the downside risk of fuel price increases will tend to be greater than the
risk of electricity price hikes.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 7:43 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> You plan on outliving the Prius and want to buy a *new* Volt?
> Do it soon.
>
>
> https://www.cruzetalk.com/forum/9-general-discussion/239041-cruze-vs-volt-post3213219.html#post3213219
>
>
> > On December 17, 2018 at 9:59 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Interesting but think I'll stay with a hybrid for now; not my Prius
> which is 10 years old;  but probably a Volt since a good friend has had one
> since they came on the market.
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Re: [MBZ] back

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A
K
A
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On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 4:04 PM Karl W  Mb of
>
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 4:02 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
>> Who is Daytona?
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Tom is my go to guy now. But Daytona is crushing on internet pricing
>> for OE
>> > parts.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 12:00 PM Craig via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:46:24 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> One of the real values in using Rock Auto is that the supplier is
>> >>> clearly indicated.  It's up to you, however, to determine if that
>> >>> supplier provides junk or not.
>> >>
>> >> They provide pictures for many of their parts, too.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> But unlike so many other parts places that just say "Brake
>> >>> caliper.  It fits." and leave you guessing if its a ATE or URO,
>> >>> Rock Auto lists the parts and who makes them.
>> >>>
>> >>> Still miss Rusty...
>> >>
>> >> So do I!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] back

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Tom is my go to guy now. But Daytona is crushing on internet pricing for OE
parts.

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 12:00 PM Craig via Mercedes  On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 13:46:24 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > One of the real values in using Rock Auto is that the supplier is
> > clearly indicated.  It's up to you, however, to determine if that
> > supplier provides junk or not.
>
> They provide pictures for many of their parts, too.
>
>
> > But unlike so many other parts places that just say "Brake
> > caliper.  It fits." and leave you guessing if its a ATE or URO,
> > Rock Auto lists the parts and who makes them.
> >
> > Still miss Rusty...
>
> So do I!
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>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - electric cars for city use

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They are shutting the Cruze plant down I think.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018, 10:19 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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>
> https://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/christophorusmagazine/archive/374/articleoverview/article01/
>
> https://www.mbusa.com/en/electric-cars-faq
>
> https://www.chevrolet.com/electric
>
> Probably better off with Mitch's choice.
>
>
> https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/02/20/chevy-cruze-eco-58-mpg-no-hybrid-magic.aspx
> Rick
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of OK Don via
> Mercedes 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 9:54 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - electric cars for city use
>
> Why would you buy a Japanese car when the MADE IN THE USA cars are as good?
> At least pick a German e-car instead.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Superfast charging - Might want to keep a safe distance from your car

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Range isnt a barrier. If a car can go 300 miles it is a lot more than 99%
of people need on a daily basis. Average commutes are very short.

The batteries are expensive. That will change over time.

These supercharge things will have batteries in them and suck power from
the grid off peak or midday when there is excess solar power being
generated that we now export to Arizona. And the car batteries can be used
to offset new plant production by pumping power back into the grid during
peak use times.So a lot of potentially good things.

Wife doesnt want to tank up any more. She has to fill the suv all the time
and views it as a nuisance. So her next car will be electric because the
car will interfere with her life less. No oil changes. No brake pads. Just
tires every now and again, wiper blades. Very zippy performance around
town. Lots of people will come to similar conclusions. Many wont, and thats
fine also. Probably wouldnt own one in rural minnesota, for instance. But
percentage wise we are a very urban nation now.



On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 5:55 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes  Speaking of history, keep in mind that when Bertha Benz took her little
> day trip, there were no dedicated fuel stations, no dedicated road system
> with signs, street lights, etc. No trained mechanics or parts stores. No
> "big oil" to produce and distribute the fuel, oil, grease.  All that
> infrastructure had to be created and built so that we could enjoy the
> liberty and resulting productivity gain from cars and trucks.
>
> So I don't buy into the argument that electric cars are doomed because of
> a lack of infrastructure. The major hurtle is range, and then cost. Those
> will be overcome. We'll need a much larger electrical infrastructure, that
> will be very expensive. Who will bear that cost?  Probably us tax payers...
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Re: [MBZ] back

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Yes I obtained a new cold weather idle adjust cable and dial for the 1961
190dc from the dealer. And new carb fuel supply line for the 1961 190sl.

Stuff doesnt grow on trees. It will only get more expensive with time.

On Fri, Dec 14, 2018, 2:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  Welcome back, Allan!
>
> Here’s my list:
>
> Dealer (if you can get a good discount)
> FCP Euro
> Importec
> Rock Auto
>
> I waffle around on the last three, as you can shop them all and find
> better deals at one or the other depending on what you’re buying and how
> much.  For example:
>
> Rock Auto has closeouts on parts pretty regularly, so if you subscribe or
> bookmark the feed for your car(s) you can see when they put stuff on
> special or have a special closeout.  Rock Auto is known to buy up
> distressed inventories, so if you pay attention to these and are quick to
> respond, you can often get some seriously good deals.  They often have name
> brand filters, like Mann, on discount.  Cardone is a brand they have for
> brake parts, among other things, that I’ve used with success when I’m
> watching the budget.
>
> Importec does a good job but can be spotty as to the coverage for
> different models, or so I’ve found.  They often will offer an OE part and a
> sub-quality brand like URO as an alternative, with nothing in between.
> That’s not a choice.
>
> FCP Euro has a good depth in brands and won’t carry junk brands like URO.
> That being said, they do occasionally have Meyle, which can be hit or miss
> as a reboxer of part in some circumstances.  They also have free shipping
> on orders over $50, which I use them for to save a buck when I’m not in a
> hurry for something. If it’s in stock even with free shipping the order
> usually goes out within a day.  FCP Euro also has their lifetime guarantee
> on everything.  I recently had someone tell me they sent used motor oil
> back to FCP Euro in the original containers, and they shipped replacements!
>
> I believe Importec has free shipping above a certain amount as well, but I
> think it’s higher, like $75.
>
> And as for buying parts at the dealer, I know it can get expensive, but I
> was having a conversation about this with a finnie friend the other day,
> and they made a very astute observation:
>
> “Whenever one can get original parts, one should- regardless of cost. The
> time to buy good parts isn't when you need them- it's when they're
> available.”
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Dec 13, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Hi all, back after a long hiatus.
> >
> > I have not been keeping up with the list at all, but see many names I
> > remember in the recent list archives.
> >
> > Still have my W123 300D and W116 300SD, wondering who is the favored
> > parts supplier these days?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 240D

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U probably need a cruise amplifier or rebuild, but fix the speedometer
first. Im not sure if the amp takes the signal from the cluster or from the
drivetrain sensor directly on that car.

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018, 3:21 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes  1.  Brakes are now all in good repair and stopping me safely.
>
> 2.  Trying to sort out vacuum issues.   A. Repaired two door lock lines
> that were broken at the drivers side door.
> B. Can’t get transmission to shift properly.  Shifts way to soon unless I
> shift manually. I’m getting about 20 off the large vacuum line going to the
> booster.  Eliminated vacuum to the transmission and shift timing was better
> but harsher and it won’t shift into 4th gear at all.   Does anyone know
> what vacuum number is supposed to be at the transmission, before the
> modulator but after the restrictor?
>
> Does anyone have vacuum diagram for the 83 240D?
>
> 3.  The speedometer is not registering anything. It’s hooked up at the
> transmission but I haven’t checked the dash yet.  Cruise is not working.
> Will cruise control function on this car if all else is correct but
> speedometer is not functioning?
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
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Re: [MBZ] Is this worth messing with?

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I have some wheels. Going 15".

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018, 4:15 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Yes. As the owner of one of these CD's I say yes. Tranny may well be gummed
> pistons. In decent shape worth 13-14 -k. See if they have original wheels.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have any experience with this outfit?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Im pretty sure I have used them and it worked fine.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 11:49 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Mentioned in this thread
>
>
> https://www.benzworld.org/forums/r129-sl-class/1409559-best-source-mercedes-benz-r129-sl-8.html
>
> Looks like this product can be downloaded
>
>
> https://www.emanualonline.com/Cars/Mercedes/SL_Class/1995-Mercedes_Benz-SL600-Service-%252526-Repair-Manual-Software.html
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Finally got a hammer down there to bang on it. That did the trick. Fired
right up. Of course the claw on the hammer pulled the transmission and
vacuum shutoff lines off the injection pump, so after I drove the front end
up on the leaning towers of lumber pyramid scheme in preparation for
starter removal, it wouldnt shut off...

Man the new brakes are awesome. I can absolutely recommend the dual
diaphragm r129 booster, 500e master cylinder, 500e aluminum fronts and
600sl rears. The car had late model wagon calipers and stock 87 booster on
it before, 294mm dual piston ate fronts.  These new are the biggest that
will fit under a 16" r129 wheel, with 300mm rotors. I was worried my el
cheapo stoptech cryo rotors would have some terrible stopping properties,
and the old single booster required serious leg muscles, so I wasnt sure if
I had a pad and rotor issue or a pressure issue, but it turned out to be
the latter. The car stops RIGHT NOW but still has modulation. I havent
pushed it to fade again yet, but its nice to know I can put my wife in it
and have it behave like her bmw x5d with m brakes used to - before it died
at 8000 miles. I guess it stopped better than it went also! Epidemic.

Headlight bulb is now out on the left side, and my glass is all pitted
anyway. I thought I had new hella lenses coming from Latvia but apparently
they want a bank transfer or something. Tempted by LED retrofit bulbs, but
I have no idea what the pattern is on those. Do they blind oncoming
traffic? What would Daniel Stern do...

Got 2 of the last 3 w124 sportline hydroshocks aus der faterland. Maybe
should have purchased the spare also. I wonder if sachs will rebuild them
in a pinch?

Also lubed the brake pedal so it no longer squeaks at the pin and threw in
a new brake light switch.

I agree with whoever said w123 cars just keep going. Hope same is true for
this one once it is all sorted out.

Next up: starter, then subframe bushings for everything. Does anyone know
how to tell a worn subframe bushing by looking at it? I have a v8 subframe
to swap in and the bushings all look pretty new. Prob best to swap on
general principle.

On Dec 3, 2018 7:30 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

You’re really limited on this car as to what the problem can be:

Battery (not)
Neutral safety switch (not)
Solenoid
Starter

Get a piece of wood, long ratchet extension or baseball bat and give the
starter and solenoid a good 2-3 smacks, real hard.

I’m betting the solenoid is stuck or hung up.  once this brute force
approach frees it up, order a rebuilt started from a trusted supplier.


-D



> On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks I tried it with a half inch ratchet, but no go. It has to be the
> solenoid since it doesnt even click.
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 7:41 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
>
>> I've experienced starters with "dead spots" or stuck brushes.  Try
>> whacking it a couple times with a hammer.
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
>>> Wittnebel via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 8:30 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
>>> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td
>>>
>>> Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
>> also, and
>>> the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car into and
>> out of
>>> park and neutral while the switch is in the start position caused
>> dimming of all
>>> the dash lights, implying a short in the system and also implying that
>> the
>>> neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] W126 300SD on BAT

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Whole rear suspension looked like new parts, including the lower control
arms,

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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Finally got a hammer down there to bang on it. That did the trick! Fired
right up. Man the new brakes are awesome. Of course the claw on the hammer
pulled the transmission and vacuum shutoff lines off the injection pump, so
after I drove the front end up on the leaning towers of lumber pyramid
scheme, it wouldnt shut off.

Headlight bulb is now out on the left side, and my glass is all pitted
anyway. I thought I had new hella lenses coming from Latvia but apparently
they want a bank transfer or something.

Passenger seat is all recovered after epic sessions with the instrument
panel removal tool and a million little white clips. Just need to cut some
holes in the cover for headrest and arm rest, which has me measuring twice
and cutting once. I will drop this seat onto the drivers side adjuster,
then pull my old drivers seat to swap the non memory motors into sportline
frame #2

I got a seat heater harness out of Russia, so that will have to go in
sometime with a new console wood.

Water to air setup is pretty much together. It will get welded into the
intake after some creative amputation with the table saw. I am trying to
find some thin little curved radiators to fit under the bumper cover. The
yzf1000r radiators are the only curved ones I know of, but they are curved
a bit too much I think. No air to air as I am keeping the ac.

Got some sportline rear shocks out of the fatherland. There were only 3
left. Tried to find the Sachs part number but nothing listed. I think it
was discontinued long ago. The regular s124 ones are still obtainable from
Sachs in a couple of flavors fyi.

Oh yes and the air no longer blows hot for some reason. Need to sort that
out.

Joys of old car ownership. At least the s123 is fully sorted. Man that
thing is just nice. They should all get the new steering box, new head, new
turbo and new transmission treatment. About the only things not new are the
halfshafts and rear subframe bushings. Maybe a 15" wheel upgrade and Gen 2
126 brakes would be nice.

Thanks to everyone who chimed in about the w124 no start. Thinking of
replacing the neutral safety switch on general principal. Bushings are
quite loose.

On Dec 3, 2018 7:30 AM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

You’re really limited on this car as to what the problem can be:

Battery (not)
Neutral safety switch (not)
Solenoid
Starter

Get a piece of wood, long ratchet extension or baseball bat and give the
starter and solenoid a good 2-3 smacks, real hard.

I’m betting the solenoid is stuck or hung up.  once this brute force
approach frees it up, order a rebuilt started from a trusted supplier.


-D



> On Dec 3, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> Thanks I tried it with a half inch ratchet, but no go. It has to be the
> solenoid since it doesnt even click.
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 7:41 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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>
>> I've experienced starters with "dead spots" or stuck brushes.  Try
>> whacking it a couple times with a hammer.
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
>>> Wittnebel via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 8:30 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
>>> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td
>>>
>>> Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
>> also, and
>>> the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car into and
>> out of
>>> park and neutral while the switch is in the start position caused
>> dimming of all
>>> the dash lights, implying a short in the system and also implying that
>> the
>>> neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes. Weirdly I have a starter in the garage that looks pretty new, so now I
just have to figure out now to not get run over on the street where it is
parked. And also how to get under the car; it is pretty low and has belly
pans. I always loved those inflatable bag things they used to use in the
sand to lift cars out with exhaust pressure; would make for an easy way to
put one side of the car on stands.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 7:48 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Time for a new starter, methinks...
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:30 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
> > also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
> > into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start
> position
> > caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system and
> > also implying that the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 4:57 AM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >
> > > Sounds legit to me.  If memory serves, high-draw items like starters
> tend
> > > to have fusible links rather than fuses.   It sounds as though you're
> > > getting power to the starter.  I'm gonna go along with the bad
> > starter/bad
> > > connection theory.   Have you tried to put 12VDC to the starter itself
> > yet?
> > >
> > > -MMM-
> > >
> > > On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.
> > > >
> > > > But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not
> > sure,
> > > > given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there
> is
> > > any
> > > > fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a
> relay
> > > > somewhere when turned to start position. If the switch has any power
> at
> > > > all, I assume the fuse is good, whatever it is called.
> > > >
> > > > Is this correct?
> > > >
> > > > K
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 8:58 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Have you CHECKED all the FUSES?
> > > > >
> > > > > -M. Mitchell Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Thanks I tried it with a half inch ratchet, but no go. It has to be the
solenoid since it doesnt even click.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 7:41 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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> I've experienced starters with "dead spots" or stuck brushes.  Try
> whacking it a couple times with a hammer.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> > Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2018 8:30 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz com 
> > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td
> >
> > Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
> also, and
> > the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car into and
> out of
> > park and neutral while the switch is in the start position caused
> dimming of all
> > the dash lights, implying a short in the system and also implying that
> the
> > neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Thanks. It glows fine and started right up before I moved it down the
driveway. Problem is it will not crank.

On Dec 2, 2018 7:25 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

If this is a diesel did you rule out the glow plug relay and fuse?


On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 9:03 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> you need to jump the Big terminal (B+) at the solenoid to the little
> terminal on the side of the solenoid.   If that does nothing, then jump
> the big B+ one to the bottom one, direct to the windings.   If the first
> does not start the car, and the starter turns (but won't engage) with
> the latter, the solenoid is bad, but the starter may still need to be
> replaced.   My bet is still that the starter is bad.
>
> > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > December 2, 2018 at 7:30 PM
> > Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
> > also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
> > into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start
> position
> > caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system
and
> > also implying that the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

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Good thought but jumping did not help
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Shorting the pins at the terminal block does nothing. I jumped the car
also, and the behavior did not change. I did note that shifting the car
into and out of park and neutral while the switch is in the start position
caused dimming of all the dash lights, implying a short in the system and
also implying that the neutral safety switch is operating correctly.

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> Sounds legit to me.  If memory serves, high-draw items like starters tend
> to have fusible links rather than fuses.   It sounds as though you're
> getting power to the starter.  I'm gonna go along with the bad starter/bad
> connection theory.   Have you tried to put 12VDC to the starter itself yet?
>
> -MMM-
>
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 12:22 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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>
> > Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.
> >
> > But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not sure,
> > given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there is
> any
> > fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a relay
> > somewhere when turned to start position. If the switch has any power at
> > all, I assume the fuse is good, whatever it is called.
> >
> > Is this correct?
> >
> > K
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 8:58 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
> >
> > > Have you CHECKED all the FUSES?
> > >
> > > -M. Mitchell Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Wagon Wanted-Will Travel

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Reverse goes out.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 3:12 PM Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> It’s 4 matic that does not have the issue
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 4:53 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don’t think the wagons suffered from the spring perch issue.  Or maybe
> it was just the 4Matic wagons, I’m not sure.  Someone please correct me if
> I’m wrong, but I never encountered it when I was looking for one.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:47 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> >>
> >> Spring perch season (if it's 2wd)?
> >> The other common maladies (transmission electronics, climate control
> confusion, dead display on climate control or radio) are mostly easy swaps.
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>
> >>> On December 2, 2018 at 4:26 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What's the biggest red flag with these gas engine wagons? What's the
> worst
> >>> case scenario for one of these cars that currently drives okay and has
> no
> >>> obvious issues?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: rechargeable stick vacuum cleaner

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Beg to differ. For $200 you can have a Eufy that will not only pick up all
the stuff but it will do it at a scheduled time every day while you are
elsewhere. What the robot lacks in power it will more than make up for in
persistence. The area under it's time vs suction curve is huge because it
makes the time factor - it vacuums more than you ever will.

On Dec 2, 2018 5:01 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Had it in my boyhood home in the 60s and 70s and it was horrible, as it was
really inefficient. The Hoover Constellation was used instead.  I suspect
it was either a crappy system or was poorly designed.

Put it in the house we built in Wisconsin and it was wonderful.  Especially
nice for a two story house.  The system would suck paint off the walls if
you let it.

I highly recommend.

-D

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 7:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>
> Agree 100% once you've had central vac you'll never consider anything
else.Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>  On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes
wrote:   Yes:
>
> Whole house central vacuum. Huge 5 hp motor mounted in garage wall...
> tubing runs through the house.. you only plug in the hose... Enough power
> to suck DC empty.
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yes I checked them and wiggled them all.

But here's the thing: there is no fuse labeled "starter". I am not sure,
given that all dash lights are on when key is turned on, that there is any
fuse failure that could produce this symptom. The key energizes a relay
somewhere when turned to start position. If the switch has any power at
all, I assume the fuse is good, whatever it is called.

Is this correct?

K

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> Have you CHECKED all the FUSES?
>
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Re: [MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I took that terminal block loose changing the booster, so I will have to be
sure I did not cause a short or a loose connection when I put it back. It
is close to the new (thicker) booster, but does not touch it.

On Sat, Dec 1, 2018, 5:37 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Dead starter?  If the lights are dimming when the key is turned to the
> start position, sounds like the solenoid is getting power, so either the
> solenoid or the starter motor may be the culprit.
>
> Make sure battery voltage is 12.5 volts or more with no load,  and then
> measure the battery voltage when you energize pre-glow and then crank, it
> should drop a bit depending on your battery health, maybe drop to 11.5 or
> 11.0 volts or so.  If it drops below 11, your battery is suspect and you
> can take it to flaps for a load test.
>
> There is a three-connection point near the brake booster, middle wire is
> the signal to the solenoid, so if you jumper 12v to that terminal the
> solenoid should engage and the starter crank the motor over (make sure
> transmission in park).
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok so I finally get the new vacuum booster line and brake light switch
> (fyi
> > daytona MB is crushing on prices for OE) anyway and the r129 dual
> diaphragm
> > booster and 500e fronts and sl600 rear calipers on the knuckles right
> side
> > up and re bled with the pressure thingy today. Good news is it stops with
> > very little pedal effort now. Almost too little, but I will get used to
> it.
> >
> > Anyway I drive down the steep driveway, and there is all kinds of water
> > running out of drains from the storm this week, because the car hasnt
> > moved. Anyway, park it across the street to check the mail, which isnt
> > there, get back in and no crank. Fiddle with the selector lever, no
> dice. I
> > guess the next step is to jump the starter at the terminal block and see
> if
> > it has any life. Then the neutral safety switch. Is there anything I am
> > missing? I wiggled all the fuses. The lights all come on the panel and
> dim
> > slightly when I turn it to start position, so I think the switch is ok,
> and
> > obviously it has juice from the batry. I was under there messing around,
> so
> > could have knocked something loose, but it started fine a few times in
> the
> > driveway before it didnt.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
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[MBZ] no cranky 87 td

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Ok so I finally get the new vacuum booster line and brake light switch (fyi
daytona MB is crushing on prices for OE) anyway and the r129 dual diaphragm
booster and 500e fronts and sl600 rear calipers on the knuckles right side
up and re bled with the pressure thingy today. Good news is it stops with
very little pedal effort now. Almost too little, but I will get used to it.

Anyway I drive down the steep driveway, and there is all kinds of water
running out of drains from the storm this week, because the car hasnt
moved. Anyway, park it across the street to check the mail, which isnt
there, get back in and no crank. Fiddle with the selector lever, no dice. I
guess the next step is to jump the starter at the terminal block and see if
it has any life. Then the neutral safety switch. Is there anything I am
missing? I wiggled all the fuses. The lights all come on the panel and dim
slightly when I turn it to start position, so I think the switch is ok, and
obviously it has juice from the batry. I was under there messing around, so
could have knocked something loose, but it started fine a few times in the
driveway before it didnt.

Thoughts?

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Re: [MBZ] Insurance SL600

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X2

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, 3:17 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  I would agree.  I am not advocating that anyone do such a thing.  I’m just
> saying that in the four policies I’ve had with Hagerty, they have never
> made any effort to establish that I do, in fact, have a garage and store my
> cars in it.  Which I do.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 30, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I should think that attesting to having a garage and storing your car in
> it is fraud if you have no garage and the car is not normally stored in the
> garage.
> >
> > RB
> >
> > On 30/11/2018 4:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The car has to be stored inside, which is a requirement for Hagerty.
> I’ve never had them ask for verification or that I even have a garage.
> It’s just an attestation as far as I know.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Dwight Giles 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My agent said I couldn't insure my 82  300CD as an antique with
> Hagerty without a garage.
> >>> When I had my 50 Dodge pickup  insured with Condon Skelly I had to
> have a garage-I rented one actually.
> >>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> >>> Wickford RI
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:49 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>> Are you sure that was a “picture of the car in your garage”?
> >>>
> >>> I’ve had a number of Hagerty policies, and while they usually want a
> photograph of the car, they've never asked for one in the garage.
> >>>
> >>> Hagerty will insure our older cars as long as you have one daily
> driver that’s fully insured as such.
> >>>
> >>> -D
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[MBZ] best diesel MB car engine vid

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Some light viewing. Maybe a good swap for the 123, or perhaps for my 55
olds. Kaleb let me know if you come across any of these cars on car part,
the pre facelift w211 cdi with the om648:

https://youtu.be/huKTDlwteAg

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018, 4:34 PM Karl Wittnebel  I have the little ones. Not super bright, but even a modest amount of
> light is enough when you're in the dark.
>
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>> We have massive sun exposure in front - house faces due South - and on the
>> east wall where I need the lights.  I had hoped someone had purchased one
>> of these newer lights recently that claims to be REALLY bright.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:32 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
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>>
>> > Be sure you place the panel in a location that gets sun all hours of the
>> > day.  Around my home the idiots toss the lights up where they want
>> light,
>> > not where sun will be.  Magic misunderstanding of how the things work,
>> so
>> > they must function because the sun is out, even if the thing is placed
>> in
>> > shade all day long.
>> >
>> > Guy up the street covered his roof with solar panels.  Must be able to
>> > generate 3kW if they were not shaded by massive trees but for high noon.
>> > Solar water heater is equally occluded.
>> >
>> > clay monroe
>> > redgh...@comcast.net
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>> >
>> >
>> > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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>> > > I've seen compelling TV ads for these.  They are VERY bright.  Any
>> > > recommendations?  I could mount them all over the exterior of my
>> house.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Solar powered motion sensor lighting

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I have the little ones. Not super bright, but even a modest amount of light
is enough when you're in the dark.

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> We have massive sun exposure in front - house faces due South - and on the
> east wall where I need the lights.  I had hoped someone had purchased one
> of these newer lights recently that claims to be REALLY bright.
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:32 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
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>
> > Be sure you place the panel in a location that gets sun all hours of the
> > day.  Around my home the idiots toss the lights up where they want light,
> > not where sun will be.  Magic misunderstanding of how the things work, so
> > they must function because the sun is out, even if the thing is placed in
> > shade all day long.
> >
> > Guy up the street covered his roof with solar panels.  Must be able to
> > generate 3kW if they were not shaded by massive trees but for high noon.
> > Solar water heater is equally occluded.
> >
> > clay monroe
> > redgh...@comcast.net
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> > >
> > > I've seen compelling TV ads for these.  They are VERY bright.  Any
> > > recommendations?  I could mount them all over the exterior of my house.
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] New Move

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Ok. But isnt that what insurance is for?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2018, 5:50 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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>
> > On November 21, 2018 at 12:51 PM Donald Snook via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > But, a new E Class is only $569 per month with $5183 down.
>
> Down payment? On a lease?
> If somebody hits you and totals it as you drive it home from the
> dealership, your lease cost is only $5200 a day plus plates.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 123 Wagon on BAT...

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Every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 6:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  Then you should come down and buy this:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/707187712965236/
>
> Outside looks nice.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Interior is bleached and there are other issues.  Might not get very
> high.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 5:45 PM M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes <
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> >
> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1985-mercedes-benz-300td-turbo-13/
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Re: [MBZ] Jaime's New Ride

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Rusty coolant tank.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 8:27 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

> Is there a way to verify that the MSRP on this sedan was really $70K?
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:30 PM Craig via Mercedes  >
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 21:57:10 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1983-Mercedes-Benz-500-Series/113390039560?hash=item1a6692b208:g:EG0AAOSw1hJb6jpK&vxp=mtr
> > >
> > > That looks really nice, sounds to good to be true.
> >
> > The car has metric speedometer and odometer.
> >
> > I wonder how it made it into the U.S. with those ...
> >
> > It does look really pretty, though.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Market rockets skyward for clean W123 coupe

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About the same. The 500e board guys have the history on every single one of
them that comes up and they pick them apart mercilessly. Good fun. 10k of
deferred maintenance, yada yada.

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>
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody know anything about boats?

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Here's 7 years of backyard boatbuilding fun to give you an idea of what
you're in for:

https://youtu.be/KWe75FAM8AQ

They make sense if you decide to cruise around the world or live aboard.
Otherwise its just a hole in the water into which you pour money.

The nicest ones are small and efficient. Power catamarans or similar that
do 20 kts on 20hp sipping fuel.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018, 12:59 PM G Mann via Mercedes  Pull the engines and sell them... but somewhere in the world is a Chris
> Craft wood boat nut that would love to have the hull at 45 ft... he
> would be king of the wood boat world with a fully restored Chris Craft...
> It would however, require considerable disposable income... and a decade of
> work, likely.
>
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>
> > IF it actually was $1,000 (and not $8,000 like the fine print in the ad
> > says), I would buy it, pull the side oiler 427's and have a bonfire with
> > the rest. Someone building a Cobra replica or two will probably do that.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Car go BOOM

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On Sat, Nov 10, 2018, 4:50 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
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> All possible.  I did not see damage externally.  I might be able to source
> a rebuildable OM617 if there is  need and one is not available from Jasper.
>
>
>
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
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> > On Nov 10, 2018, at 2:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> >
> > Broken crankshaft?   Not usual with an OM617, but possible.  especially
> if someone changed the flywheel, etc.
> > Broken chain/camshaft/cam towers is possible.  with that, you can
> generally hear the chain hit the case, then the cam and bearings crunch,
> then silence, as you coast to a stop.
> > Rod thrown?
> >
> > It does not sound like that engine will be revived without much .
> >> clay monroe via Mercedes 
> >> November 10, 2018 at 1:56 PM
> >> … and much smoking, with grinding noise as the SD coasted to a stop.
> >>
> >> I was headed to a club event (DIY shop for the day) and of a sudden,
> the engine produced a rumbling harmonic, then went BOOM, with smoke
> trailing, motor went dead, and the grinding too place while the RPM were
> dropping.
> >>
> >> Once sort of safely out of the lane of traffic, I popped the hood and
> tried to see if there were massive leakage. I found none. Oil was at top of
> the mark. Trans fluid was warm and smelling ok. Coolant overflow tank was
> below the low mark. No smells of evil from under the hood, no sign of
> obvious damage under the car from front to back. I was about 12 miles from
> the venue, but figured I would be stupid to attempt to get there, even if
> folks would be on hand to assist in repairs, so I called AAA.
> >>
> >> I attempted to get it to crank, but all it did was poot out some more
> smoke, and would not crank again. The glow system worked, just not enough
> power in the starter to spin the motor. Maybe too much resistance in the
> block? Battery is about six month old and got a full charge after draining
> two weeks ago.
> >>
> >> The SD is now parked at my indy awaiting his prognosis on Monday.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >> 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green
> >> 1986 SDL - Polei
> >> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> >>
> >> retired models-
> >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> >> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] ***SPAM*** Re: $#|¥@

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Yes they eat springs and shocks rapidly without the clutch. That is why it
was added. It wont make the motor more efficient at all.

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> And that flapping belt transmits the force of those pulses to the power
> steering pump and the AC compressor.  The very expensive dual-circuit power
> steering pump on my '95 E300 developed a crack in the aluminum mount and
> also was leaking from the shaft seal at a mere 250k miles, I suspect that
> component as well as the serpentine belt tension device / shock / spring
> will all last longer with the OAP clutched pulley.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
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> >  It balances out the impulses from the engine and the inertia of the
> > alternator.
> > Theres a video on YouTube somewhere that highlights why the pulley is
> > useful, without an overrunning pulley the belt flaps all over the place,
> > with the overrunning pulley its much smoother.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Wednesday, November 7, 2018, 3:16:11 PM EST, Randy Bennell via
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> >
> >  So remind me . . .  what is the purpose of the free wheeling pulley on
> > the alternator?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] $#|¥@

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What is the protocol for pulling the pulley off the shaft? The tool just
holds the shaft so you can loosen the retaining bolt, correct?

My 606 has the solid pulley and it already ate one tensioner spring while
idling.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018, 7:40 PM Craig via Mercedes  On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 13:17:14 -0500 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
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> > OK we need to do lunch or something so I can get you the tool.  I've got
> > other stuff for you as well.
> >
> > That's good to know that your alternator shaft didn't get fouled up.
> > Start soaking with PB Blaster...
>
> Or Kroil ...
>
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