[newbie-it] Send...

2003-06-26 Thread Arwan
Saro' brevissima... all'inizio, nonostante l'aiuto di syd, non andava nulla, 
nemmeno mutt metteva le mail nello spool. Poi ho disinstallato tutto e 
reinstallato sendmail...

PARTONO E ARRIVANO!!!

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Re: [newbie-it] sendmail

2003-06-26 Thread tom
On Thursday 26 June 2003 17:26, Luigi Pinna wrote:
 Il mio problema è quindi capire come dover configurare sendmail appunto,

uhmm, forse non ho capito io il problemama sendmail non serve ad inviare? 
:)

 in modo che faccia questo lavoro (scsricare la posta e cancellarla dal
 web) 

in Kmail tra configura-rete-ricezione-modifica c'è un opzione che 
permette di cancellare i mess dal server

 e come impostare in Kmail  il filtro in modo che non mi prelevi
 tutte le mail incasinandole in un'unica cartella.

per quello ci sono una marea di modi di filtraggio..
se nell ogg c'è [newbie-it] -- sposta nella cartella MDK
se il mandante è [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- sposta in 
/dev/null
e cosi via.. non so se era questo che chiedevi
incaso contrario chiedo scusa per lo spam

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Re: [newbie-it] sendmail

2003-06-26 Thread syd
* Luigi Pinna wrote:
 
 Ciao a tutti! A questo punto del discorso, mi permetto di chiedere una 
 divagazione.

Scherzi.. divagare e' bellissimo.. purifica lo spirito e il corpo :)

 Io voglio continuare ad usare Kmail, 

E mi sembra giusto. Io kmail lo usai un paio di mesi, circa due anni
fa pero' gia' allora era un client abbastanza performante e con molte
opzioni a livello di configurazione.
Voglio dire.. sempre che non abbia capito male.. ha ragione Tom
quando ti fa notare che molto probabilmente smanettando
un po' di piu' puoi riuscire a fare quello che tu vuoi (cancellare le
mail scaricate dal server, smistarle in cartelle diverse in base alla
politica di filtraggio sulla quale hai un'ampia scelta di opzioni)

 Essendo appunto connesso 24h al 
 giorno volevo avere la possibilità di scaricare la posta quasi 
 continuamente per questioni di sicurezza. 

Non ci credo che kmail tra le sue configurazioni non riporta la
possibilita' di interrogare i server pop anche una volta al minuto.
Controlla meglio.
Certo, questo vuol dire tenere aperto kmail praticamente sempre.
Adesso ho capito :)

 Il mio problema è quindi capire come dover configurare sendmail appunto, 
 in modo che faccia questo lavoro (scsricare la posta e cancellarla dal 
 web) e come impostare in Kmail  il filtro in modo che non mi prelevi 
 tutte le mail incasinandole in un'unica cartella.

Con sendmail non scarichi ma al massimo smisti in locale (oltre ad
inviare) dopo aver scaricato con un altro programma.. chiamiamolo per
nome.. fetchmail.

In definitiva Luigi io credo che con kmail tu possa soddisfare tutte
le tue esigenze. Se poi ti scoccia tenere sempre aperto kmail (a me
scoccerebbe) allora devi valutare la possibilita' di gestire il
download delle mail tramite fetchmail opportunamente configurato.
Sendmail verrebbe chiamato in causa per smistare tra i diversi file
(ma bada che sendmail si rivolge a procmail per fare questo.. quindi
potresti richiamare direttamente procmail tramite l'opportuna opzione
all'inetrno di .fetchmailrc).
Fetchmail dovresti naturalmente lanciarlo con l'opzione -d xm dove d
sta per demone (ti lavorera' quindi in background) x e' un numero e m
sta per minuti. Ogni x minuti fetch interroghera' tutti i server pop
che tu gli avrai indicato.
Chiaramente i file nei quali si accoderanno le mail dovranno coincidere
con quelli gestiti da kmail. Qui potresti avere qualche problemino 
ma non credo sia impossibile fare una cosa del genere.

Luigi.. se ho capito male, prova a riformulare le domande.
Se ho capito bene, rispulciati kmail, valuta la
possibilita'/necessita' di usare fetchmail e per la configurazione di
questo e procmail non posso che rimandarti alle decine di mail che in
questi giorni ci siamo scambiati con Arwan e Giuseppe.
Naturalmente se qualcosa di specifico non ti e' chiara.. chiedi pure.

Qualcosa mi dice che non ho capito bene le tue domande :(

Vabbe'.. ora mi vado a mangiare un sostanzioso spago aglio, olio e
peperoncino che magari il cervello mi si rischiara.


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[newbie-it] cancellazione newsletter

2003-06-26 Thread francesco







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Re: [newbie-it] cancellazione newsletter

2003-06-26 Thread mandrake-supporto
On Thursday 26 June 2003 21:08, francesco wrote:
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l'autore del testo ha tutta la mi ammirazione :-)
sproposito,Lukenshiro ma in questa sei ancora  iscritto?

P.S. francesco,segui il link che è meglio

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[newbie-it] Modem USB o ethernet è indifferente?

2003-06-26 Thread Mauro
Hello lista,

una domandina veloce:

quando faccio la domanda per avere l'ADSL, e la telecom mi dice ok, è
indifferente che il modem sia ethernet oppure USB?
Cioè, se io richiedo un modem USB, per fare un esempio, posso un domani
cambiarlo con un ethernet senza problemi, oppure devo avvisare la telecom,
che deve intervenire sulla linea?
Scusate i termini.. impropri, ma spero di essere stato
comprensibile lo stesso
10x

Mauro





Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-26 Thread James Conner
For MDK 9.0 it's here:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/Mandrake/9.0/contrib/RPMS/
Just scroll down till you find it, download and install with 
rpm -ivh kvirc*.rpm

For MDK 9.1 it's here:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/Mandrake/9.1/contrib/RPMS/
Just do the same as above.  Then you might want to go to the plf site below 
and make sure your contrib source is configured properly.

Jim

On Wednesday 25 June 2003 06:16 pm, Dan Gordon wrote:
 On June 25, 2003 01:31 pm, JoeHill wrote:
  1. Go here and configure all your souces:
 
  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
 
  2. then as root, urpmi kvirc

 Did this and output was no package named kvirc
 lol i dont think someone wants me in irc rofl

 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

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RE: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake! Support Mandrake if your one of us.!!!

2003-06-26 Thread Frankie
I will second this...

Anyone that cares about mandrake linux should vote for Mandrake ...

If novell end up extending their support to add Mandrake to the 
list as well as Redhat and SUSE (the later of which mandrake is 
currently tied with on the novell survey.) It will give mandrake 
a slice of the enterprise market that they could surely benefit from.

Comeon guys, support your favorite distro,, this is the sort of thing
that gets linux on corporate desktops.. lets make an effort to make
Mandrake one of them.

http://www.novell.com/linux/

regards

Franki



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Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2003 12:04 AM
To: Newbie
Cc: Expert
Subject: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!


Let Novell know who ya love :-)

  http://www.novell.com/linux/

See the poll in the right-most column.

Miark



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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-26 Thread Aron Smith
On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 15:20, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 00:19, Technoslick wrote:
 
  Stephen! That's not fair! You covered all your bases with that shotgun 
  approach. ;0)
 
 (Solly Cholly)
 
  I don't doubt all those contribute to my problem. However, I was 
  wondering about the way KDE stores and indexes (if any) the 
  bookmarks.
 
 Doesn't it just suck stuff from say, a Galeon .XBEL and convert it into
 a Konqueror formatted HTML page? I'm trying to figure out now exactly
 how indexing is done, but not getting very far...
 
 I do know, though, that it's stored in
 ~/home/usernamegoeshere/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml
 
 ...so wouldn't that really have to do with parsing a file of large size
 - albeit an XML, but that would/SHOULD be a function of how Konqueror
 parses the file...ya?
 
   I haven't had the time to sort through all the imported 
  links, but many were three levels down, and therefore are up to four 
  levels down now. Maybe, KDE has a problem working with that kind of 
  hierarchy? 
 
 It's not really a hierarchy - in a static sense - it's a hierarchy
 inside of the XML document, though...but overall, it's a static
 document; Konqueror would be tripping the light fantastic trying to sort
 through it and present folders as it were, along with their
 contents...
 
  I have to sort though all these links, anyway. Many are now dead. As I 
  reorganize them, dropping the dead and no longer intersting ones, I 
  hope to find a workable compromise.
 
 Check Status: All
 
 ...that SHOULD find all yer dead links - but from what I understand
 already, it would take a fair long while, ay?
Me I just switch to another browser. The page is there somewhere.


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Re: [newbie] drive partitions... archives, etc

2003-06-26 Thread Eric Huff
It looks like others are helping you with the drive stuff, but since you lost it all, 
here are links to archives, etc.  Speaking of the newsgroup, anyone spent much time 
over there?

Hope this helps:


Partitions:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbiew=2r=1s=partitionsq=b


General archives urls:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-newbier=1w=2


http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

alt.os.linux.mandrake archived on google groups:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8group=alt.os.linux.mandrake


TWIKI:

http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/WebHome
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeReferences


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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-26 Thread John Wilson
On June 25, 2003 03:49 am, Robin Turner wrote:
 Frankie wrote:
  Why???
 
  This will not hurt apple as much as you think..
  The reason is that M$ make their money in the PC world just from the
  software.. so when people don't use it, it hurts them..
 
  If people buy a mac, and put linux on it.. I can't see Apple being too
  upset about it.. since they got the money from the hardware anyway..
 
  Mac users are a loyal lot.. I can't see many of them swapping to a
  intel/amd system with linux.. more likely they might dual boot their mac
  with linux.. so in light of that, I can't see apple losing market share
  because of linux..
 
  And it might have another benefit as well..  if apple gets any pressure
  from this..they might start advertising that linux on a mac is the best
  linux.. which can only be a good thing..

 I agree, especially about the loyalty of Mac users. Some of them talk to
 their Macs.  Mac could even end up supporting Linux for some of its
 users who need that sort of thing (rather like Sun do).

 One thing I noticed when checking the article that the linked article
 used as a source was that it said that Linux was predicted to overtake
 Macintosh by the end of the year, but not that it was eating Apple's
 market share, as the first article implied.  On the contrary, it said
 that this growth in Linux would push MS's desktop market share below
 90%, implying that only a smalll proportion of this Linux growth would
 be at the expense of Apple. The author's main point was about browsers;
 if over 10% of web users are not using IE, then webmasters would have a
 much greater incentive to make their sites standards-compliant, avoiding
 those IE-only tags which other browsers sometimes choke on.  This in
 turn would encourage users to try alternative browsers to IE.

 Sir Robin

In terms of combined desktops yes...but follow again to the actual report the 
article is based on and it says something different.  It does indeed refer to 
installed base of Linux desktops passing Apple by year end.

My crack about Mac users hating Linux is based on fact when I talk to Apple 
users.  They are even more in the FUD mode than the MS hacks and trollers out 
there.  And it does relate back to the fact that Apple users do, in fact, 
love their machines and can't for the life of them see why anyone would use 
anything else.  Most of the ones I speak to aren't even aware that there are 
PPC versions of Linux out there but even suggesting that brings wide eyed 
rage from most of them.

True, there are a few who will dual boot, but not many from my experience.

And yes, it would be wonderful if developers would stop those silly IE only 
tags out there.  Or popups that say we only support Windows Media Player as 
if that's the be all and end all.  So if the article accomplishes that it 
will be helpful.  Then again, how many MSCE's read Business Week?

How many MSCE's can read? :-)

ttfn

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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-26 Thread Erylon Hines
I've installed 9.1 nine times now (different machines, including 2 laptops).  
I have to say, even on very similar machines I've had things come up 
differently (all work, mind you).  What I haven't figured out is why some 
have the classic style text boot messages, and some the graphical boot 
messages.  There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.  And one machine has 
no shutdown messages whatsover, just a blank screen with a blinking 
cursor--then it turns off.  Obviously, it is closing what it needs to, and 
shutting down properly, but why?  I had no option for quiet shutdown at 
install.  Kinda weird--I've probably done 75 or more Linux installs, and I've 
never seen it before.

e. 

On Wednesday 25 June 2003 01:36 am, John Richard Smith wrote:
 Dennis Myers wrote:
 On Monday 23 June 2003 10:30 pm, Allan wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Does anyone know why Mandrake 9.1 seems to come up with different
 results each time I install it?  

  I'm guessing two
 characteristics are at work together, one, the installer somehow learns
 something of the nature of your equipement each time, and second the
 human behind the installer learns something more about the installer's
 idiosyncracies.

 John


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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-26 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:28:26 -0400
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 
 yep, a lot of the studios are using Linux clusters as render farms I
 think they call them. The days of SGI being the wizards are fading...

This from the Beowulf site:

Beowulf Systems are already being used for ...

* Computationally intensive activities: optimization problems, stock
trend analysis, complex pattern matching, medical research, genetics
research, image rendering
* Scientific Computing/Scientific Research:
engineering/simulations, 3D modeling, finite element analysis, fluid
dynamics, PCB/ASIC routing
* Large-scale processing of data: data mining, complex data searches
results generation, manipulating large amounts of data, data archival
and sorting
* Web/Internet needs: Web farms, application serving,
transaction serving, calculation serving, data serving

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-26 Thread Eric Huff
 but we're not petrified yet

Whew! Ater today at work, *I* am!

My friends ask me why i spend all day designing and programming on a computer at work, 
then come home and play with the computer.  I think maybe this weekend i better go 
outside and drill holes in stuff...

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[newbie] tty: how can bash tell which one you logged into?

2003-06-26 Thread Eric Huff
Hello,
If i ctrl-alt-F* to different tty's, is there any way to tell, in a bash script, which 
one i logged into?

I am thinking of having a default login, but run different startups, for example, if i 
log into tty2, 3, etc.

Thanks,
eric


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[newbie] network problem - help

2003-06-26 Thread Roland Hughes
I have finally had the chance to get off of dial up and on to a shared
dsl. My problem is I cannot get the Internet connection to switch from
modem to eth0. The nic is up and connected but when I bring up the
mandrake control center and go to networking it only shows the modem as
the connection and no matter how many times I run the wizard it will not
change. Any help for a old fart.
Roly

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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-26 Thread Damian Gatabria
El mié, 25 de 06 de 2003 a las 00:11, Allan escribió:
 On Wed, 2003-06-25 at 01:00, Damian Gatabria wrote:
  You wanna hear a funny one? If i choose ext3 for the /, my 
  soundcard chipset is not correctly detected... it still works,
  but the sound is lower quality and choppy...
  
  
  Damian
 
 I have the same problem with my sound.  Were you able to fix this?  
 

Well, as i said, it depends on the file system i choose! it only
happens when my / is ext3. When i use Reiser or XFS it works
perfectly.

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[newbie] Java and font problem on ML 9.1

2003-06-26 Thread Guilherme Cirne
Hi all,

I have a font problem in java apps running under ML 9.1 which is very hard 
to explain so I have screenshot showing exactly what I mean. I can send 
this to anyone who is willing to help.

Basically what happens is this. The height of the default java font 
(Dialog) is not being calculated correctly under ML 9.1. So all 
components, like buttons, are much higher than they should be.

I know that Dialog is just a link which by default points to Lucida Sans 
and this can be changed in the jre font.properties file. But the strange 
thing is that if the font of a particular component is set to Lucida Sans 
directly then the height is calculated correctly and the component looks 
like it should. So the problem isn't the Lucida Sans font. This can be 
seen clearly on the screenshot which I made.

This only happens on ML 9.1. On 9.0 it works as it should. I have also 
tried different jre's like Blackdown's 1.4.1 and Sun's 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 
beta and they all have this problem. So this is a ML 9.1 specific issue. 
I have also performed various installations of ML 9.1 on different 
machines and the results are the same.

So if anybody has seen this and can help me I would be very grateful. And 
don't forget, I can send anyone a screenshot which makes it much clearer 
to see the problem.

TIA,

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Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive

2003-06-26 Thread John Richard Smith
Johan Scheepers wrote:

Hi to John Richard Smith ,
May the following be of assistance - it is part of a previous message I
posted..
This is more detailed than the one posted earlier today - use them both..
snip
Something else I would like to point out - I used Mandrake9.1 install
partitioning to do the disk - when it reached apps to install I reset the
PC. I prefer mandrake partitioninig - more friendly for me.
This is for information only to someone who may need it.

Have installed 3 OS's on one disk - see below
I installed dos - then - redhat - then - mandrake.
Do not forget make boot disks.
They do not see each other or use each others partitions unless mounted.
When I installed redhat I let it install lilo - when you install mandrake it
will owerwrite the MBR with its version and this way you can test out redhat
before you continue.
Mandrake was last - I found in the past that mandrake is good at detecting
OS,s and configuring them in lilo. This time detected but used mandrakes
linuz  initrd.
All examples refer to my setup.
This just show the drive setup.
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hde1 * 1 101 811251 6 FAT16 - Dos
/dev/hde2 102 2494 19221772+ 5 Extended
/dev/hde5 102 1261 9317668+ 83 Linux --Redhat8.0
/dev/hde6 1262 1362 811251 82 Linux swap -for both
/dev/hde7 1363 2494 9092758+ 83 Linux --Mandrake9.1
What is importend for this to work is the following after all installs
done..
1. With Mandrake loaded.(your last installation)
2. Su in console.
3. mkdir /mnt/redhat.
4. mount -t ext3 /dev/hde /mnt/redhat - THIS IS VERY IMPORTEND otherwise it
will just NOT work. If redhat is not mounted by fstab (I dont do - only on
console when needed) If you should run lilo -v on another day - repeat 4.
5. cd /etc
6. gedit lilo.conf
7. add the lines as below and save.
8. lilo -v.   ( MBR ).
9. What is importend add /mnt/redhat to image and initrd - if you leave it
out at initrd -- command lilo -v will complain : fatal: no such file or
directory.
After a lot of grief I realized this.
snip
image=/mnt/redhat/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8
label=Redhat
root=/dev/hde5
initrd=/mnt/redhat/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img
read-only
Enjoy
Johan
May this be a good day for learning

 

Thanks,
I understand this completely.
You are installing 3 quite different OS's on one or more hard drive, fine.

But what if your installing, W2k, M9.1 , and another M9.1 on the same 
hard drive.
The second M9.1 to be used purely for updating with latest cooker 
updates. How do you do that ?

John

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Re: [newbie] DVD still not working (Mandrake 9.1) : dmesg

2003-06-26 Thread SethiPradeep
Hi

Looks I am getting closer. dmesg complains a lot about the DVD drive.
I have attached the output from dmesg at the bottom.

I can play Audio CDs and can also rip through grip in this drive.
Also I can play DVDs in this drive from windows.

any ideas greatly appreciated.

-Pradeep



MSDOS FS: IO charset iso8859-15
hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdc: command error: error=0x54
end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 0
FAT: unable to read boot sector
FAT: freeing iocharset=iso8859-15
EXT2-fs: Unrecognized mount option umask
UDF-fs DEBUG lowlevel.c:57:udf_get_last_session: XA disk: no, vol_desc_start=32
UDF-fs DEBUG super.c:1426:udf_read_super: Multi-session=0
UDF-fs DEBUG super.c:415:udf_vrs: Starting at sector 16 (2048 byte sectors)
hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdc: command error: error=0x54
end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 64
UDF-fs DEBUG super.c:1162:udf_check_valid: Failed to read byte 32768. Assuming open 
disc. Skipping validity check
hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdc: command error: error=0x54
end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 1339176
.
.
.
hdc: command error: error=0x54
end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 30
hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdc: command error: error=0x54
end_request: I/O error, dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 31
cdrom: open failed.
sr0: CDROM not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
sr0: CDROM not ready.  Make sure there is a disc in the drive.
cdrom: open failed.
cdrom: open failed.
cdrom: open failed.
UDP: bad checksum. From 200.171.144.216:1030 to 64.175.69.200:137 ulen 58




Royke K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The problem maybe in your DVD drive , the error message complain about 
DVD encription

libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss.



What is the DVD region code you want to play, for Mplayer I think should 
play all kind of region with no problem.  Check your DVD drive, because 
if you use it in Windowz , it will lock the region code after 4 times 
change playing 4 different kind of region code of DVD Movie.
Maybe I,m wrong too... CMIIW

regards


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

On Monday 16 June 2003 11:00 pm, Pradeep Sethi wrote:
    

Hi,

I am still not able to play DVDs. I can play audio CDs / VCDs in that
drive, work fine. but get error, while playing DVD.

when I try to play DVD through mplayer GUI, click on open Disc, it shows
reading the DVD for 5-6 seconds (light blinking), then gives error
'Can't play /dev/dvd'.
      

Pradep, I've not been following this thread so if I repeat something already 
asked I apologize.

Did you do (as root) a ln -s /dev/devicename /dev/dvd? In my case, since I 
use SCSI it would be:

ln -s /dev/scd0 /dev/dvd

on an IDE system, it would look something like:

ln -s /dev/hdb (or hdc or hdd) /dev/dvd

Also, did you add your user to the cdrom or cdwriter group(s)?

One more thing, what about permissions? Here I had to do a:

chmod a+r /mnt/cdrom
chmod a+rx /dev/scd0 (that would be hdb, hdc, or hdd on IDE).

    


when I do ln -l /dev/dvd

[EMAIL PROTECTED] psethi]# ls -l /dev/dvd
lr-xr-xr-x    1 root     root           30 Jun 17 07:36 /dev/dvd - 
ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd

I would guess, this config is correct, as I can play audio CDs and VCDs in this 
drive, works fine.

Done :

[EMAIL PROTECTED] psethi]# chmod a+r /mnt/cdrom

[EMAIL PROTECTED] psethi]# chmod a+rx /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/cd

Then I try gmplayer, still getting the same error :(

Output :
-
Playing /dev/dvd
libdvdread: Using libdvdcss version 1.2.6 for DVD access
libdvdread: Could not open device with libdvdcss.
libdvdread: Can't open /dev/dvd for reading
Couldn't open DVD device: /dev/dvd
-

pls help.

Thanks in Advance

Pradeep





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[newbie] RAID slot = IDE

2003-06-26 Thread Len Lawrence
A new problem.  Asus A7V333 motherboard with RAID disabled - Promise
controller.  Only ide0 and ide1 visible to the BIOS.  I need to plug
in an old IDE drive in ide2 or ide3.  I assume that RAID has to be
enabled for the BIOS (and Linux) to see these slots, but I do not want
to use RAID.  Just want to have a third IDE slot.  The manual only
talks about setup for RAID proper and all the discussions on the net
seem to assume that people will always want RAID 0, 1 or whatever.  
First, is it possible to bypass the RAID setting, and second, will 
changing the jumper wipe or damage the data in any way, on either 
ide0 (hda) or ide2 (hdc)?


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Re: [newbie] GDM and other window managers

2003-06-26 Thread Derek Jennings
Todd is quite correct in the procedure below. But if you are installing a 
Window Manager from the Mandrake CDs (or contrib)  then it is not necessary.
The 'post install' script contained within the RPM will do this for you.

So to get for example enlightenment in the list of Window Managers. All you 
need do is

urpmi enlightenment

derek


On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 4:58 am, Todd Slater wrote:
 On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:10:01 -0400

 MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How do I go about adding another window manager entry in the GDM?

 Cory,

 Using XFce4 as an example

 1. Create a startup script--like what you may have used for .xsession or
 .xinitrc--as /usr/bin/startxfce4 (needs to be executable)

 2. Create a file /etc/X11/wmsession.d/19XFce4 (1-18 are reserved by
 Mandrake; start with 19 and keep going up if need be) containing:

 NAME=XFce4
 ICON=xfce4.png
 EXEC=/usr/bin/startxfce4
 DESC=The bleeding edge
 SCRIPT:
 exec /usr/bin/startxfce4

 3. Edit /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and add XFce4 to the list of
 SessionTypes. This is case-sensitive and needs to be the same as NAME
 above.

 Step 3 may or may not be necessary; I found I had to do it to get it
 working with KDM.

 I have done this with fluxbox, pekwm, xfce4, and oroborus without any
 problems.

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Re: [newbie] Install results vary

2003-06-26 Thread Dennis Myers
On Tuesday 24 June 2003 11:22 pm, Roland Hughes wrote:
 I have done 3-4 install's and everyone was different. I think mandrake
 is becoming like windows ( I am joking!).
 Roly

 On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 20:03, Dennis Myers wrote:
  On Monday 23 June 2003 10:30 pm, Allan wrote:
   Hi,
  
   Does anyone know why Mandrake 9.1 seems to come up with different
   results each time I install it?  I installed it twice on my machine and
   another time on a friend's machine.  On my system the end result was
   different each time, with minor differences showing up in KDE.  (I've
   since switched to Window Maker and love it.)  However, the WindowMaker
   default setup varies between users added on the same system.  For
   instance, some users by default had the wmCalClock dockapp and others
   didn't, some have an extra WPrefs dock icon, etc.
  
   Also, I wanted to help my friend get started with Linux, but when we
   were installing it, it didn't show a lot of packages to select from. 
   In particular, I wanted to install Window Maker and Aterm.  Neither
   showed up in the package selection screen during initial installation
   or afterwards with rpmdrake.  I thought it might be because my friend
   has an older machine (~400 MHz CPU, 64MB RAM, etc.), but KDE and Gnome
   installed okay so I don't think it's the hardware support that's
   lacking.  IceWM installed successfully, but it still runs slower than
   Win98 on the same computer (dual boot).
  
   Anyone know why the install is different each time?  How can I get
   WindowMaker onto my friend's computer?  Why would IceWM run slower than
   Win98?  (Sorry for so many questions, but I felt they're all related
   somewhat.)
  
   Thanks,
   Allan
 
  I often wonder the same thing. I just had to do a minor reinstall on the
  machine that would not play xmms. Guess what, it now plays. I choose all
  the same packages and input the answers on the setup and yet now it works
  when before it didn't.  Oh, well. Mysteries are for solving.
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Ya know, it occurred to me that there was a difference this time. I did not 
install alsa and the alsamixer-gui. My CDROM works with xmms now. I had those 
loaded before and also had the alsa plugin installed for xmms but it wouldn't 
play using the alsa sound or OSS sound. Now it works with OSS just fine.:
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Re: [newbie] Drive points / and /home (resize existing MDK partitions?)

2003-06-26 Thread Dan Gordon
On June 25, 2003 03:16 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:14:25 -0400

 when you install something, ie. through rpm, you are installing to
 the system dir, or /.

Thats what i though, so for me /home doesent need to be that big.

 Ya, yer gonna need more space. You have a couple of options beside
 reinstalling

I probably will end up reinstalling,  When i do will i have to worry 
about MBR problems or will lilo take care of it for me.  I dont want to 
loose access to XP.  I just dont have enough cash for a new slave drive 
yet.


 My advice, get rid of XP, use the space for something safer, stabler,
 more useful, etc. , but then I am a zealot. :)

The only reason i keep windows is for work,  access and filemaker 
database and my old scanner is not supported, well its not old theres 
just no linux drivers for it.

Regards,
Dan Gordon
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Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-26 Thread Barry Premeaux
Dan Gordon wrote:

On June 25, 2003 12:27 am, Barry Premeaux wrote:
 

Check this link out.

   

http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=Kvircsubmit=Sea
rch+...
 

I tryed some of these and they wanted to remove a lot of kde stuff and 
window managers and andyikes.

 

Some of the newer Mandrake versions are Beta, but they may be worth a
try.
   

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The only other thing I can think of would be looking in the Mandrake 
Software links on http://www.pclinuxonline.com

I'm sorry I haven't been of any real help.

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Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-26 Thread Dan Gordon
On June 25, 2003 03:10 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:16:56 -0400

 Then all of your sources are not configured. I ran urpmi kvirc and it
 looks like it was intalled from either main or contrib.

Will try it again.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/cvs$rpm -q kvirc
 kvirc-3.0.0-0.beta1.5mdk

Ah thats beta one, beta two has been out for a few months now.

 what version of mandrake and kde are you running?

Mandrake 9.1 KDE 3.1

 if all else fails, use xchat, it's a beaut, and as far as I'm
 concerned, anything that begins with a k is to be avoided.

I use xchat and its not to bad, i remeber using kvirc 2.11 in KDE 2 and 
really liked it but i think they are bloating the new version of kvirc 
with junk but im waiting to see what the final looks like anyway.  I 
need to learn text based clients though,  but finding the time anymore 
is brutal.

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Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive

2003-06-26 Thread John Richard Smith
Johan Scheepers wrote:

Hi to John Richard Smith ,
May the following be of assistance - it is part of a previous message I
posted..
This is more detailed than the one posted earlier today - use them both..
snip
Something else I would like to point out - I used Mandrake9.1 install
partitioning to do the disk - when it reached apps to install I reset the
PC. I prefer mandrake partitioninig - more friendly for me.
This is for information only to someone who may need it.

Have installed 3 OS's on one disk - see below
I installed dos - then - redhat - then - mandrake.
Do not forget make boot disks.
They do not see each other or use each others partitions unless mounted.
When I installed redhat I let it install lilo - when you install mandrake it
will owerwrite the MBR with its version and this way you can test out redhat
before you continue.
Mandrake was last - I found in the past that mandrake is good at detecting
OS,s and configuring them in lilo. This time detected but used mandrakes
linuz  initrd.
All examples refer to my setup.
This just show the drive setup.
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hde1 * 1 101 811251 6 FAT16 - Dos
/dev/hde2 102 2494 19221772+ 5 Extended
/dev/hde5 102 1261 9317668+ 83 Linux --Redhat8.0
/dev/hde6 1262 1362 811251 82 Linux swap -for both
/dev/hde7 1363 2494 9092758+ 83 Linux --Mandrake9.1
What is importend for this to work is the following after all installs
done..
1. With Mandrake loaded.(your last installation)
2. Su in console.
3. mkdir /mnt/redhat.
4. mount -t ext3 /dev/hde /mnt/redhat - THIS IS VERY IMPORTEND otherwise it
will just NOT work. If redhat is not mounted by fstab (I dont do - only on
console when needed) If you should run lilo -v on another day - repeat 4.
5. cd /etc
6. gedit lilo.conf
7. add the lines as below and save.
8. lilo -v.   ( MBR ).
9. What is importend add /mnt/redhat to image and initrd - if you leave it
out at initrd -- command lilo -v will complain : fatal: no such file or
directory.
After a lot of grief I realized this.
snip
image=/mnt/redhat/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8
label=Redhat
root=/dev/hde5
initrd=/mnt/redhat/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img
read-only
Enjoy
Johan
 

As I said, this is a 3 different OS install, ie dos, redhat,mandrake.

What if you want W2000 , M9.1 and again M9.1.
I still think there are issues to sort out.
John

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Re: [newbie] Getting Mandrake's attention

2003-06-26 Thread Owen Berio
At 11:24 AM 6/25/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Owen Berio wrote:
 At 09:23 AM 6/25/2003 -0700, Alan Shoemaker wrote:
 http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/contact/address

 I used the other number.   The dates called are today, yesterday 
(Tue.). Mon.  and I may have called last Thur.  I also sent two e-miles.
I will try the delivery issues number
***

it's the one labled 'delivery issues'.  what date did you
leave the message?  did you also leave an invoice number
(helpful)?  i'm going to report this.
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Re: [newbie] GDM and other window managers

2003-06-26 Thread Todd Slater
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:10:01 -0400
MEISCH,CORY (HP-Vancouver,ex1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do I go about adding another window manager entry in the GDM?

Cory,

Using XFce4 as an example

1. Create a startup script--like what you may have used for .xsession or
.xinitrc--as /usr/bin/startxfce4 (needs to be executable)

2. Create a file /etc/X11/wmsession.d/19XFce4 (1-18 are reserved by
Mandrake; start with 19 and keep going up if need be) containing: 

NAME=XFce4
ICON=xfce4.png
EXEC=/usr/bin/startxfce4
DESC=The bleeding edge
SCRIPT:
exec /usr/bin/startxfce4

3. Edit /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc and add XFce4 to the list of
SessionTypes. This is case-sensitive and needs to be the same as NAME
above.

Step 3 may or may not be necessary; I found I had to do it to get it
working with KDM.

I have done this with fluxbox, pekwm, xfce4, and oroborus without any
problems.

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Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-26 Thread John Wilson
On June 25, 2003 11:00 am, Inhabitant of Zion did come from Mt Siani and 
speak:
 I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.

 I've never used it myself and never had anybody ever recommend it to me
 either.

 John

I'm surprise too.  Also surprised the Debian is as popular as it seems.  
Unless Gentoo and Debian geeks are even more vociferous than the rest of us.

As for the Red Hat-SuSE-Mandrake numbers they are about what I expected them 
to be.

ttfn

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[newbie] Printer problem

2003-06-26 Thread Chris Knewstubb
I'm using Mandrake 9.1 with KDE 3.1.

Printer is an Epson Stylus Color 400.

Using OpenOffice 1.0.2.

Printed for the very first time in Linux. Set off the print job, and the 
printer immediately started to print a load of rubbish - symbols , blamk 
pages . And it won't stop - except when I push the off button. If I 
turn it back on it just starts of again. I have tried every thing to 
stop it. Closed OpenOffice. Shut down and restarted - when I restart the 
printing begins at the login screen.

I have gone into Windows in between Linux sessions and the printer is 
fine there.

Is there a cure to this?

Help.

Please.

Cheers,
Chris K

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[newbie] Kernel Intel E7205 support

2003-06-26 Thread kiosk

Hi All,

I've been lurking here for a couple of weeks, amazed by the fact that you
all seem so willing to help the newbie, such a refreshing change after
trying to run slackware for a couple of years and never daring to post to
the slackware forums.

I'm not a total noob - for instance, i have a certain amount of experience
in configuring kernels under slackware. However, i'm a complete newbie
when it comes to the mandrake way, and, as a result of various unforseen
circumstances, i'm using a new box which has hardware which is somewhat
more cutting edge than i'd like. Perhaps it would be best if I explained
what i would like to do. I'm not expecting to be spoonfed - but i would
appreciate pointers to the relevant docs, etc.

I have an Asus P4G8X motherboard which has an agp slot which seems to be
as yet unsupported by the mandrake stock kernels. I've done a bit of
googling and it seems that I may have the option to use a patched kernel,
or an experimental or 2.5.x kernel, in order to gain support for the
Intel E7205 chipset which is a feature of my motherboard. I have several
questions in relation to this possibility'

Can i use the relevant kernel source and build myself a kernel, or will i
have problems with incompatibilities with libs, etc?

I don't understand the mandrake boot process. What is the function of
kernel.h in \boot?

Can i dispense with initrd.img? I have minimal desktop style setup. I
have no network [as yet], and don't use usb, firewire, scsi, or anything
other than plain old ide disks and modem, audigy and NVidia.

If i rename /lib/modules, and rename existing /boot elements [and run
/sbin/lilo] ...

... and *set* my kernel version, will it all play out nicely with a new
stanza in lilo.config?

should i *install* the new kernel, using the mandrake installer? Is
there a RPM that will do this? Will everything then be taken care of?

HELP???

hoping to understand, and grateful for any assistance ...



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RE: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-26 Thread Frankie
They did.. its classed as none  :-)


rgds

Franki

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Sent: Thursday, 26 June 2003 1:32 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!


On Wednesday 25 June 2003 12:03 pm, Miark wrote:
 Let Novell know who ya love :-)

   http://www.novell.com/linux/

 See the poll in the right-most column.

 Miark


Miark:
Done. Gee, I wonder why they didn't have SC0/Caldera's Linux listed.
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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-26 Thread Charles Roberts
John Richard Smith wrote:
Charles Roberts wrote:

John Richard Smith wrote:

I'm thinking about dual booting the same OS but updating the second 
to test.

I'm not sure of all the implications.

I have a /boot partition. That means I will be overwriting the first 
kernel init etc, with the same, cannot think that is likely to be any 
problem.

Lilo will still be in the MBR, but it will have the script from 
second install,
because there is no option available these days to skip lilo 
install.Developers please note.

Second install will use it's own /etc/lilo.conf  file.
but this is likely to be the naff OS , especially if it goes wrong 
with the updates.

Not, to my mind, a satisfactory state of affairs.
I want to be booting everything from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf.
Question is how to do that.
F1-rescue - install new bootloader ,
but it's going to have two identicle OS's each with it's own 
/etc/lilo.conf
how will it know which to choose ?
In otherwords how do I tell it which OS /etc/lilo.conf script it's to 
use ?

each OS will have it's seperate partition, lets say for arguements sake,
M9.1 OS1 on /hda7
M9.1 OS2 on /hda6
can I pass some arguement in the F1 -rescue - install new boot loader 
, to tell it which partition to look for an  /etc/lilo.conf ?

Does say, F1 - rescue /dev/hda7 make anything useful happen to where 
it reads /etc/lilo.conf ?

I bet there is a way round this

anyone ?

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Hi John;
Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS:
1st OS install lilo in MBR
2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this 
root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS
Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like 
this: other=/dev/hda5
   label=Debian or whatever
In the 2nd OS lilo;

boot=/dev/hda5
root=/dev/hda5
everthing else normal
Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS 
lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os.

If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's.

HTH
Charles


So if I've understood you correctly, in effect you're chainloading two 
lilo's  , one stored in the MBR(to work with windblows , chainloader 
fashion)and booting M9.1 OS1 from it's /etc/lilo.conf and a second lilo 
in the M9.1 OS2 situated in it's / partition,it seems a mite complicated.
In addition I'm not too sure how you get the second OS install to put 
the second lilo in it's / partiton, when the installer will be conscious 
of the windblows/OS1 lilo MBR presence and wanting to shove lilo in the 
MBR again.
currently I have,
/dev/hda1 W2000
/dev/hda7 M9.1 (straight install, no updates)
/dev/hda6 M9.0 (to be replaced with M9.1 , together with cooker updates)

At the moment so long as I have two Different linux OS's I can switch 
which OS /etc/lilo.conf file is read and run at boot time, by replacing 
the lilo in the MBR with either F1 - rescue - install bootloader from 
either CD1 of each OS.

The problem here is that I have two identicle OS's and I'm affraid that 
having just the one CD1 to do the F1 - rescue - install bootloader it 
will not know which /etc/lilo.conf to run at boot time.
This is because each OS has it's own /etc/lilo.conf in the relevant / 
partition. Maybe it doesn't matter so long as each /etc/lilo.conf is 
constructed to boot either OS, so that whichever /etc/lilo.conf it 
chooses to run , it will still have enough script to boot either 
OS.Still I'd like to be a mite more precise about it.

Maybe you are right though. Having two Identicle OS means having to 
lilo's to boot with.

John



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Yes. This way uses 2 lilo.conf. One in the MBR (by having 
'boot=/dev/hda' in the 1st OS lilo.conf, and the other lilo.conf goes in
/dev/hda9 (by having 'boot=/dev/hda9' in the 2nd OS lilo.conf. If you 
would like to be more precise about it, read 'man lilo.conf'.

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Re: [newbie] Kvirc

2003-06-26 Thread John Wilson
On June 25, 2003 11:16 am, Dan Gordon did speak:
 On June 25, 2003 01:31 pm, JoeHill wrote:
  1. Go here and configure all your souces:
 
  http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/index.php
 
  2. then as root, urpmi kvirc

 Did this and output was no package named kvirc
 lol i dont think someone wants me in irc rofl

 Regards,
 Dan Gordon

It's in the club contribs, actually.  And I wouldn't bother.  The beta is 
buggier than an ant hill.  About half the basic functions don't work or don't 
work at all well.  Hell, you can't even type /me message or /onotice 
messge without it being send out in plain text.  And don't even try to DCC.

As near as I can figure, KVirc is as near a dead issue as you can get.  The 
2.x versions, which worked like a hot damn, haven't been upgraded in about 2 
years and the beta 3.x doesn't seem to have been updated in months.

They have a pretty new web site though!

ttfn

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-26 Thread Eric Huff
   that next version of fbpanel looks really sweet,
   thanks fer turnin me onto that, sometimes nice to have.
  
  Yeah, seeing the list at the bottom keeps me informed about my place
  in the universe..
 
 heh, ya, that's about all i use it for...and the clock...

Before i got it, i was using gkrellm's clock, but now that yo mention it, i'm back to 
the bottom right...

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Re: [newbie] network problem - help

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 12:34, Roland Hughes wrote:
 I have finally had the chance to get off of dial up and on to a shared
 dsl. My problem is I cannot get the Internet connection to switch from
 modem to eth0. The nic is up and connected but when I bring up the
 mandrake control center and go to networking it only shows the modem as
 the connection and no matter how many times I run the wizard it will not
 change. Any help for a old fart.
 Roly

I think we all agreed that using the MCC for your connection was a VERY
BAD idea (gets really flaky).

BEST bet is to make direct modifications to the network scripts located
in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts directory - and to make sure that
your /etc/hosts and /etc/resolv.conf are setup properly...

Once you've modified those scripts, do a:

service network restart

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Re: [newbie] Java and font problem on ML 9.1

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 09:38, Guilherme Cirne wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I have a font problem in java apps running under ML 9.1 which is very hard 
 to explain so I have screenshot showing exactly what I mean. I can send 
 this to anyone who is willing to help.
 
 Basically what happens is this. The height of the default java font 
 (Dialog) is not being calculated correctly under ML 9.1. So all 
 components, like buttons, are much higher than they should be.
 
 I know that Dialog is just a link which by default points to Lucida Sans 
 and this can be changed in the jre font.properties file. But the strange 
 thing is that if the font of a particular component is set to Lucida Sans 
 directly then the height is calculated correctly and the component looks 
 like it should. So the problem isn't the Lucida Sans font. This can be 
 seen clearly on the screenshot which I made.
 
 This only happens on ML 9.1. On 9.0 it works as it should. I have also 
 tried different jre's like Blackdown's 1.4.1 and Sun's 1.4.1 and 1.4.2 
 beta and they all have this problem. So this is a ML 9.1 specific issue. 
 I have also performed various installations of ML 9.1 on different 
 machines and the results are the same.
 
 So if anybody has seen this and can help me I would be very grateful. And 
 don't forget, I can send anyone a screenshot which makes it much clearer 
 to see the problem.
 
 TIA,

You might try running the Java IDE under a different window manager or
desktop (Gnome, WindowMaker, XFCE, Enlightenment, etc) to see if the
problem persists across those as well - it could merely be a font
problem in the window manager/desktop you're currently using...

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Re: [newbie] RAID slot = IDE

2003-06-26 Thread Greg Meyer
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 06:26 pm, Len Lawrence wrote:
 A new problem.  Asus A7V333 motherboard with RAID disabled - Promise
 controller.  Only ide0 and ide1 visible to the BIOS.  I need to plug
 in an old IDE drive in ide2 or ide3.  I assume that RAID has to be
 enabled for the BIOS (and Linux) to see these slots, but I do not want
 to use RAID.  Just want to have a third IDE slot.  The manual only
 talks about setup for RAID proper and all the discussions on the net
 seem to assume that people will always want RAID 0, 1 or whatever.
 First, is it possible to bypass the RAID setting, and second, will
 changing the jumper wipe or damage the data in any way, on either
 ide0 (hda) or ide2 (hdc)?

Most likely you don't have to do anything to use those channels as standard 
IDE devices.  You don't say whether you have a highpoint of promise solution, 
but I use both my hard drives on a Highpoint controller, and the drives are 
autodetected on each boot and the kernel finds and uses the devices no 
problem.  I had the same experience with a promise fasttrack pci card 
version.
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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-26 Thread Technoslick
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 06:20 pm, Stephen Kuhn graced me with:
 On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 00:19, Technoslick wrote:
  Stephen! That's not fair! You covered all your bases with that
  shotgun approach. ;0)

 (Solly Cholly)

  I don't doubt all those contribute to my problem. However, I was
  wondering about the way KDE stores and indexes (if any) the
  bookmarks.

 Doesn't it just suck stuff from say, a Galeon .XBEL and convert it
 into a Konqueror formatted HTML page? I'm trying to figure out now
 exactly how indexing is done, but not getting very far...

It's external to the actual *.xml file.


 I do know, though, that it's stored in
 ~/home/usernamegoeshere/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml

 ...so wouldn't that really have to do with parsing a file of large
 size - albeit an XML, but that would/SHOULD be a function of how
 Konqueror parses the file...ya?

   I haven't had the time to sort through all the imported
  links, but many were three levels down, and therefore are up to
  four levels down now. Maybe, KDE has a problem working with that
  kind of hierarchy?

 It's not really a hierarchy - in a static sense - it's a hierarchy
 inside of the XML document, though...but overall, it's a static
 document; Konqueror would be tripping the light fantastic trying to
 sort through it and present folders as it were, along with their
 contents...

I looked at the bookmarks.xml in a text editor. It appears to keep 
only the URL info here. Folder info must be elsewhere; one of the 
other KDE config files. This might be some of the reason it's so slow 
with a large link file that has to be checked and matched to a folder 
file everytime a chnage is made or a link is added. Parsing the XML 
file is obviously taking some time.

  I have to sort though all these links, anyway. Many are now dead.
  As I reorganize them, dropping the dead and no longer intersting
  ones, I hope to find a workable compromise.

 Check Status: All

 ...that SHOULD find all yer dead links - but from what I understand
 already, it would take a fair long while, ay?

Oye! I'd want to start the process with the intent of going out 
shopping with the wife. You know how long THAT kind of a trip would 
take. ;0]

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[newbie] vfat partition permission in msec3

2003-06-26 Thread Russ Rollins
I've got my box running as a webserver and the security level setting to
Higher. Unless I'm root, I can't even read some of my fat mounts that
I'd like to use for sharing. So, after checking out fstab/mtab, I'm at a
loss as to what I need to do. Anyone have some advice? 

TIA,
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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 23:12, Technoslick wrote:

 I looked at the bookmarks.xml in a text editor. It appears to keep 
 only the URL info here. Folder info must be elsewhere; one of the 
 other KDE config files.

Um...as I'm looking at the bookmarks.xml, I clearly see tags:

folder /folder
...and they appear to correspond to folders I've created in my Galeon
bookmarks file...and for all that I've sticky-beaked through here, there
aren't any other references to indexed data structures other than this
lonely bookmarks.xml...

 Parsing the XML file is obviously taking some time.

Well, this is more than true - if it's a single text file (in XML
format) and it has several thousand entries, it's not only going to
parse it as XML but then translate it into HTML for usage...

 Oye! I'd want to start the process with the intent of going out 
 shopping with the wife. You know how long THAT kind of a trip would 
 take. ;0]

Undue punishment and torture of yourself is not a good thing. Best to
stay at home and manually edit the file. Much much more fun than
shopping with a woman.

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-26 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:19:32 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 Before i got it, i was using gkrellm's clock, but now that yo mention
 it, i'm back to the bottom right...

I like xclock a lot. I wish I could find a  pager that works with Pek,
none of them show the workspaces, then I would ditch fbpanel...

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Re: [newbie] tty: how can bash tell which one you logged into?

2003-06-26 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 20:53:57 -0700
Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 If i ctrl-alt-F* to different tty's, is there any way to tell, in a
 bash script, which one i logged into?
 
 I am thinking of having a default login, but run different startups,
 for example, if i log into tty2, 3, etc.
even better:

http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/c203.html

you would probably want to assign a variable and have it filled by the
output of a command that would tell you what tty you are in. is there
such a command?

or could you have a custom bash prompt for each tty instead?

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Re: [newbie] Printer problem

2003-06-26 Thread Derek Jennings
On Friday 27 Jun 2003 3:54 am, Chris Knewstubb wrote:
 I'm using Mandrake 9.1 with KDE 3.1.

 Printer is an Epson Stylus Color 400.

 Using OpenOffice 1.0.2.

 Printed for the very first time in Linux. Set off the print job, and the
 printer immediately started to print a load of rubbish - symbols , blamk
 pages . And it won't stop - except when I push the off button. If I
 turn it back on it just starts of again. I have tried every thing to
 stop it. Closed OpenOffice. Shut down and restarted - when I restart the
 printing begins at the login screen.

 I have gone into Windows in between Linux sessions and the printer is
 fine there.

 Is there a cure to this?

 Help.

 Please.

 Cheers,
 Chris K

There is an application called 'kjobviewer'  which will allow you to cancel 
that print job. There is not a menu entry for it, so either start it from a 
terminal or use menudrake to create a menu entry.

As for the printer itself. Is it just OpenOffice with the problem or does it 
print garbage in all apps? And have you tried rerunning printerdrake to check 
the printer configuration?

derek

BTW: Could you remove the Reply To:  setting in your mozilla mail please? It 
is not necessary unless you want to receive emails on a different account to 
the one you send from. When used with a mailing list it makes responses go 
straight to you and not the list.
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RE: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-26 Thread Burrows, Scott
RANT

Mandrake IS popular.

Don't base your opinion on how popular Mandrake upon a Novell survey.  Geeze
before yesturday I don't think I've ever been to Novell's site.  No reason
to go.  

How many MDK'ers arn't voting because THEY never go to Novells site and have
no idea there's a poll being taken?  In fact if I wasn't on this list I
would not have known to vote.  How many MDKers are not on this list and so
don't know to go to Novells site to vote?

I know of the MDKers where I work I'm the only one on this list.

Maybe the Gentoo folks went out of their way to inform the 20 or so Gentoo
users to all go vote.  (OK, I'm sure theres more than 20)

There are alot more MDKers than puny Novell's site says.

phew!

Scott

/RANT

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:44 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!


On June 25, 2003 11:00 am, Inhabitant of Zion did come from Mt Siani and 
speak:
 I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.

 I've never used it myself and never had anybody ever recommend it to me
 either.

 John

I'm surprise too.  Also surprised the Debian is as popular as it seems.  
Unless Gentoo and Debian geeks are even more vociferous than the rest of us.

As for the Red Hat-SuSE-Mandrake numbers they are about what I expected them

to be.

ttfn

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RE: [newbie] How to run script on KDE start?

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 23:24, Burrows, Scott wrote:
 Stephen,
 I don't seem to have an autostart under /yourname/Destktop/
 
 I do have an autostart under /home/yourname/.kde/Autostart
 
 Is that what you meant?
 
 Scott

Yeppers.

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RE: [newbie] How to run script on KDE start?

2003-06-26 Thread Burrows, Scott
Stephen,
I don't seem to have an autostart under /yourname/Destktop/

I do have an autostart under /home/yourname/.kde/Autostart

Is that what you meant?

Scott

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Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:40 PM
To: newb-mdk
Subject: Re: [newbie] How to run script on KDE start?


On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 05:28, Tango Echo wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I have a MDK 9.1 KDE box that I would like to run a
 bash script on start.  Becuase the script in turn
 plays sound files, I would like it to run at the very
 end of the KDE start up sequence or as soon as KDE is
 up and running.  
 
 TIA!

Create a link to the script and put it in your
~/home/yournamehere/Desktop/Autostart folder.

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Re: [newbie] vfat partition permission in msec3

2003-06-26 Thread Derek Jennings
On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 2:32 pm, Russ Rollins wrote:
 I've got my box running as a webserver and the security level setting to
 Higher. Unless I'm root, I can't even read some of my fat mounts that
 I'd like to use for sharing. So, after checking out fstab/mtab, I'm at a
 loss as to what I need to do. Anyone have some advice?

 TIA,
 -Russ-

The option 'umask=0' in your fstab entries will normally make your vfat 
partitions world writable. But with 'Higher' security msec may be overriding 
this. 

You could customise your msec entries in /etc/security/msec/perm.local
The file format is :-

/boot/  root.root   755

see http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/msec.php

derek

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RE: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-26 Thread Aron Smith
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 06:41, Burrows, Scott wrote:
 RANT
 
 Mandrake IS popular.
 
 Don't base your opinion on how popular Mandrake upon a Novell survey.  Geeze
 before yesturday I don't think I've ever been to Novell's site.  No reason
 to go.  
 
 How many MDK'ers arn't voting because THEY never go to Novells site and have
 no idea there's a poll being taken?  In fact if I wasn't on this list I
 would not have known to vote.  How many MDKers are not on this list and so
 don't know to go to Novells site to vote?
 
 I know of the MDKers where I work I'm the only one on this list.
 
 Maybe the Gentoo folks went out of their way to inform the 20 or so Gentoo
 users to all go vote.  (OK, I'm sure theres more than 20)
 
 There are alot more MDKers than puny Novell's site says.
 
 phew!
 
 Scott
 
 /RANT
 
 -Original Message-
 From: John Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 3:44 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!
 
 
 On June 25, 2003 11:00 am, Inhabitant of Zion did come from Mt Siani and 
 speak:
  I was surprised that Gentoo is so popular.
 
  I've never used it myself and never had anybody ever recommend it to me
  either.
 
  John
 
 I'm surprise too.  Also surprised the Debian is as popular as it seems.  
 Unless Gentoo and Debian geeks are even more vociferous than the rest of us.
 
 As for the Red Hat-SuSE-Mandrake numbers they are about what I expected them
 
 to be.
 
 ttfn
 
 JohnWhats Gentoo :-
 
 
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Re: [newbie] KEditBookmarks -- Really S-l-o-w!

2003-06-26 Thread Technoslick
On Thursday 26 June 2003 09:25 am, Stephen Kuhn graced me with:
 On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 23:12, Technoslick wrote:
  I looked at the bookmarks.xml in a text editor. It appears to
  keep only the URL info here. Folder info must be elsewhere; one
  of the other KDE config files.

 Um...as I'm looking at the bookmarks.xml, I clearly see tags:

 folder /folder
 ...and they appear to correspond to folders I've created in my
 Galeon bookmarks file...and for all that I've sticky-beaked through
 here, there aren't any other references to indexed data structures
 other than this lonely bookmarks.xml...

Yeah, you're right. I took only a few moments to look at the file and 
while it stared at me straight in the face, I just didn't see it. 
Must be all the stuff I have going on here...I need a memory upgrade 
as well as a new processor...

  Parsing the XML file is obviously taking some time.

 Well, this is more than true - if it's a single text file (in XML
 format) and it has several thousand entries, it's not only going to
 parse it as XML but then translate it into HTML for usage...

Yep. Reasonable.

  Oye! I'd want to start the process with the intent of going out
  shopping with the wife. You know how long THAT kind of a trip
  would take. ;0]

 Undue punishment and torture of yourself is not a good thing. Best
 to stay at home and manually edit the file. Much much more fun than
 shopping with a woman.

Spoken from a man with true experience. I bow to your wisdom. 


Here's what I have done thus far...

I saved my Konqueror bookmarks as HTML to use in Mozilla. Then 
imported them into Mozilla. The import was fast and without a hitch. 
I'm in the process of cleaning out the deadwood and uninteresting 
links. While not speedy by any stretch of the imagination, very 
acceptable...much faster and smoother than in Konqueror. I'll finish 
my clean-up work in Mozilla, then spend more time in this browser for 
now.

An interesting observation in Konqueror:

Cutting/Pasting of more than one bookmark at a time within 
KEditBookmarks causes one to show-up as a blank link. Preliminary 
guess it that they have been foreign language links that show 
undefinable characters or those in other than English. What doesn't 
make sense is that it bookmarks them fine from the Web site.

I'm trying to keep things simple right now, as I learn to get around 
Linux, but it looks like no one app group can handle all my needs 
within the parameters of my equipment. Einstein's theories apparently 
work in the Link Universe, as well. sigh

Thanks for your help, Stephen. And for the sage advice! ;0)

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-26 Thread JoeHill
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:38:20 +0100
Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 I find the Rox Pager works real nice with pekwm, but then I like Rox
 ;-)

ya but will the rox pager work without using the panel?

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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-26 Thread Derek Jennings
On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 2:12 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 21:19:32 -0700

 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  Before i got it, i was using gkrellm's clock, but now that yo mention
  it, i'm back to the bottom right...

 I like xclock a lot. I wish I could find a  pager that works with Pek,
 none of them show the workspaces, then I would ditch fbpanel...

I find the Rox Pager works real nice with pekwm, but then I like Rox ;-)

derek

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[newbie] Opera

2003-06-26 Thread DrewMartin
Hi Rikona,
There is a new version of Opera it's on their Website,and
the Rpm's are there.It installed with no problems,and ended up in the
correct short cut folder on the start up in both KDE and Gnome.
http://www.opera.com/products/user/index.dml?platform=linux .You need the
QT Shared RedHat 8/SuSE 8.1/Mandrake 9.
  Cheers
Drew

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:59 AM
Subject: [newbie] Latest version of Opera/Mandrake?


 Hello,

 I seem to remember someone mentioning Opera version 7+, but the
 version in the Club is 6.12. Is there a newer rpm version available?

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RE: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 23:41, Burrows, Scott wrote:
 RANT
 Mandrake IS popular.
 I know of the MDKers where I work I'm the only one on this list.
 /RANT

There are unbelievable amounts of linux users, let alone Mandrake users
- but you have to figure that MAYBE 20% of them even participate in the
email lists, votes, or what have you.

Think about THIS for a second:

IF every single linux user actually were tallied up, do you REALLY think
that any of the statistics that are compiled by newsworthy sources
would report Microsoft being 90% of the desktop market? I hardly would
think so.

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-26 Thread Robin Turner
John Wilson wrote:
[snip]
And yes, it would be wonderful if developers would stop those silly IE only 
tags out there.  Or popups that say we only support Windows Media Player as 
if that's the be all and end all.  So if the article accomplishes that it 
will be helpful.  Then again, how many MSCE's read Business Week?

How many MSCE's can read? :-)
They don't need to - it's been point and click ever since NT came out. 
Though I hear the latest Windows server will have - gasp - a command 
line.  That'll confuse a lot of people.

Sir Robin

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[newbie] Printer virus problem

2003-06-26 Thread Robin Turner
No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and 
it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One 
line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week. 
Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes 
(eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution 
is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can 
block this?

Sir Robin

--
Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc
makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device
drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some
guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN
Robin Turner
IDMYO
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Re: [newbie] Vote for Mandrake!

2003-06-26 Thread Robin Turner
Stephen Kuhn wrote:
On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 23:41, Burrows, Scott wrote:

RANT
Mandrake IS popular.
I know of the MDKers where I work I'm the only one on this list.
/RANT


There are unbelievable amounts of linux users, let alone Mandrake users
- but you have to figure that MAYBE 20% of them even participate in the
email lists, votes, or what have you.
Think about THIS for a second:

IF every single linux user actually were tallied up, do you REALLY think
that any of the statistics that are compiled by newsworthy sources
would report Microsoft being 90% of the desktop market? I hardly would
think so.
I wonder how they compile these statistics.  It's quite possible that 
since my computer came with Windows 98 (first edition - aaargh!), I too 
am counted in with that supposed 90%.

There's also the question of how you define desktop.  My computer at 
work runs Mandrake, and we use it for Samba printing and FTP.  Does that 
make it count towards the desktop statistics or the server statistics? 
The whole Desktop PC thing is an IBM/MS invention, from the days when 
they were still in bed together (OK, they might not have invented the 
actual word, but they spread the idea).  We Linux users do not have 
Desktop PCs, we have _workstations_!

Fear the penguin.

Sir Robin

--
Some guy breaking into a government computer system and wreaking havoc
makes for a more interesting movie plot than some guy writing device
drivers. It's hard to work in a good 10-minutes car chase scene with some
guy who writes device drivers... - tjc, post to LWN
Robin Turner
IDMYO
Bilkent Univeritesi
Ankara 06533
Turkey
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[newbie] test

2003-06-26 Thread dlwiggers
1120 test


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Re: [newbie] Mandrake juice, anyone?

2003-06-26 Thread Derek Jennings
On Thursday 26 Jun 2003 3:18 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:38:20 +0100

 Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:
  I find the Rox Pager works real nice with pekwm, but then I like Rox
  ;-)

 ya but will the rox pager work without using the panel?

Yes It does in Pekwm  (./Pager/AppRun )  But it does not work in IceWM No idea 
why.

derek

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[newbie] Wireless confusion

2003-06-26 Thread Noah A Hicks
I use linux in two different wireless networks.  One of them has recently
stopped providing functionality.  Could anyone interpret this for me?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] noah]# ifup eth1
Determining IP information for eth1... done.
/sbin/ifup: line 433:  2563 Hangup  /etc/init.d/tmdns reload 
/dev/null 21
[EMAIL PROTECTED] noah]#

I would really like to know what my computer is telling me and if I can
find out why this particular network doesn't let me on any more.  I know
it works with XP on mine and another person's computer but I'd rather
diagnose it in Linux.
Thanks alot!
Noah

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-26 Thread John Richard Smith
Charles Roberts wrote:


Yes. This way uses 2 lilo.conf. One in the MBR (by having 
'boot=/dev/hda' in the 1st OS lilo.conf, and the other lilo.conf goes in
/dev/hda9 (by having 'boot=/dev/hda9' in the 2nd OS lilo.conf. If you 
would like to be more precise about it, read 'man lilo.conf'.

Charles

Oh, yes , I've read that a few times before.

Constructing the lilo.conf file is not the problem.

I want a way that will work with a /boot partition
and give me  DUAL M9.1 choice, and be easy to install and configure.
The question is this .

Install 1,  OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7  lilo in MBR.fine,
this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7
Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6  lilo still in MBR but overwrites 
previous LILO
this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two 
/etc/lilo.conf
/etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7,
or
/etc/lilo.conf on  /dev/hda6,

and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 
how do I do that ?
Is it possible ?

John

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Re: [newbie] tty: how can bash tell which one you logged into?

2003-06-26 Thread Eric Huff
 btw, google.com/linux is your best freind!

Yeah, i love google/linux!  I just hadn't typed the right stuff in to lead me to 

http://www.linuxlookup.com/html/articles/custom-prompts.html

Jeeze.  You just type tty in at the prompt...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] huff]$ tty
/dev/vc/1

Believe it or not, i did look first before i asked...

Thanks for the link, Joe!

Now tty1 can be my login, startx, and start email tty.  tty2 will just take me to the 
prompt.  tty3...

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Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive

2003-06-26 Thread Johan Scheepers
Hi John,
OK I do not no about w2k but I had win XP and MD8.0 run together for 6
months until the drive crashed - no fault of the OS's - after replacement I
use them seperate.
While it was working it worked fine.
It was a cleaen drive to start - I used partition magic to partition the
disk. Like..
hda1   -  win xp
hda5  - MD8.0
hda6  - swap
Installed win xp first then MD8.0
This is to let linux detect OS's and config lilo and write to MBR
What now happens is when pick win xp on GUI it start win xp loader and there
you pick again if req.
If you pick linux then it start.
**
In your case lets asume clean drive.
Ok you can partition as follow.
hda1   -  w2k
hda2   -  extended partition
hda5  - linux flavour 1
hda6  - swap  ( only one for both flavours they wont be running at the
same time - mine works like that)
hda7  -  linux flavour 2..
Maybe a dos partition after hda2 for a transfer area between the OS's -
linux can read vfat 16, 32 but i do not now other flavours and visa versa..
You need a
common denominator to transfer stuf around - I use dos partition for that
reason.
If you do this then part no's change.
*
Again if it is a clean drive you can use linux to patition the drive as
suggested - then install first flavour in EXPERT mode to HDA5 or 7 - (it
does not really matter) - to prevent MD to write the MBR.
Now install w2k on HDA1.(it will write to MBR)
Then install flavour 2 to your open linux partition - now you may use auto
install - you need to let it detect and config lilo and write MBR. Be sure
to make boot disks.
Now if all go to plan your last install wil be in charge of booting. Maybe
you may need my example of lilo.conf to correct your config.

If this is a LIVE disk you need someting like partition magic it works very
nice BUT it failed me once.
Maybe linux can partition live drive - I do not know.
Then do as suggested and install.
***
Now something interesting - I read it in a linux mag and tried it - it
works.
If you have a second drive  - you can create there a partiton to put the
swap or /home - and maybe more I only tried this.
***
Ok if all this works you may access the other flavour from the live flavour
by mounting it manually (would not advize to put it in fstab).
What is importend here if you accessed the not live then you can not do like
cd /boot it will revert to live one - you MUST do like cd  /manx/root then
it will move inside the not live flavour.

Ok I have these rack and trays and  seven HD's of diiferent makes and size.
My Importent 2 drives I keep save - the rest I do experiment with.

Trust the above will be of assistance.
Feel free to ask if you need more info - it is difficult to know what you
need.
Enjoy
Johan

- Original Message - 
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive


 Johan Scheepers wrote:

 Hi to John Richard Smith ,
snip
 
 
 Thanks,
 I understand this completely.

 You are installing 3 quite different OS's on one or more hard drive, fine.

 But what if your installing, W2k, M9.1 , and another M9.1 on the same
 hard drive.
 The second M9.1 to be used purely for updating with latest cooker
 updates. How do you do that ?

 John

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Re: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-26 Thread Joeb
When installing the second 9.1, don't install any boot loader.  Then, reboot to your 
old linux, modify the lilo.conf and add the lines pointing to the second copy (don't 
forget to rerun lilo).  Then reboot and select the second install and it should come 
up.

Joeb

---Original Message---
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06/26/03 10:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
The question is this .

Install 1,  OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7  lilo in MBR.fine,
this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7

Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6  lilo still in MBR but overwrites 
previous LILO
this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two 
 /etc/lilo.conf
/etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7,
or
/etc/lilo.conf on  /dev/hda6,

and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 
how do I do that ?
Is it possible ?

John


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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-26 Thread Charles Roberts
John Richard Smith wrote:
Charles Roberts wrote:


Yes. This way uses 2 lilo.conf. One in the MBR (by having 
'boot=/dev/hda' in the 1st OS lilo.conf, and the other lilo.conf goes in
/dev/hda9 (by having 'boot=/dev/hda9' in the 2nd OS lilo.conf. If you 
would like to be more precise about it, read 'man lilo.conf'.

Charles

Oh, yes , I've read that a few times before.

Constructing the lilo.conf file is not the problem.

I want a way that will work with a /boot partition
and give me  DUAL M9.1 choice, and be easy to install and configure.
The question is this .

Install 1,  OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7  lilo in MBR.fine,
this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7
Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6  lilo still in MBR but overwrites 
previous LILO
this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two 
/etc/lilo.conf
/etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7,
or
/etc/lilo.conf on  /dev/hda6,

and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 
how do I do that ?
Is it possible ?

John





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Hi John,

If I understand correctly, you are booted from /dev/hda6 and wish to 
execute lilo using the lilo.config file from /dev/hda7! Presumeably as 
if you were booted from /dev/hda7??? If so:
from /dev/hda6;
make a mount point in /mnt with this command: mkdir hda7
now mount hda7 thus: mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/hda7
now 'cd /mnt/hda7'
now issue this command 'chroot /mnt/hda7 /bin/bash'
This will make this vt ( this vt only) as if it were another OS at 
/mnt/hda7 (root starts at /mnt/hda7)

'edit' etc/lilo.conf (notice no '/' before etc). this will edit the 
lilo.conf for /dev/hda7.

now execute 'lilo' and it will use lilo from /dev/hda7  the lilo.conf 
from /dev/hda7.
Whatever you do in this vt, it will act like 'root' is anchored at 
/mnt/hda7.

To get out of this 'chroot' vt, just type 'exit'.

I hope this is what you need.
Charles

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Re[3]: [newbie] [Fwd: [Mandrake Off Topic] LICQ/Dynamically opening ports in Linksys router]

2003-06-26 Thread rikona
Hello FemmeFatale,

Monday, June 23, 2003, 1:02:15 PM, you wrote:

F AFAIK there are no SI FW's available for doing app aware
F targeting... a proxy MAY be able to be configured to do so...but it
F is beyond my humble  knowledge as to how this would be
F accomplished.

Mine too, but thanks for the suggestion.

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Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-26 Thread John Richard Smith
OK, But on the current release  M9.1 , where is the tab to not install 
Lilo in the MBR or anywhere else for that matter. I have'nt noticed any 
choice so far ?

John

Joeb wrote:

When installing the second 9.1, don't install any boot loader.  Then, reboot to your old linux, modify the lilo.conf and add the lines pointing to the second copy (don't forget to rerun lilo).  Then reboot and select the second install and it should come up.

Joeb

---Original Message---
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 06/26/03 10:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
The question is this .
Install 1,  OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7  lilo in MBR.fine,
this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7
Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6  lilo still in MBR but overwrites 
previous LILO
this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two 
/etc/lilo.conf
/etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7,
or
/etc/lilo.conf on  /dev/hda6,

and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 
how do I do that ?
Is it possible ?

John

 



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Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive

2003-06-26 Thread John Richard Smith
Johan Scheepers wrote:

Hi John,
OK I do not no about w2k but I had win XP and MD8.0 run together for 6
months until the drive crashed - no fault of the OS's - after replacement I
use them seperate.
While it was working it worked fine.
It was a cleaen drive to start - I used partition magic to partition the
disk. Like..
hda1   -  win xp
hda5  - MD8.0
hda6  - swap
Installed win xp first then MD8.0
This is to let linux detect OS's and config lilo and write to MBR
What now happens is when pick win xp on GUI it start win xp loader and there
you pick again if req.
If you pick linux then it start.
**
In your case lets asume clean drive.
Ok you can partition as follow.
hda1   -  w2k
hda2   -  extended partition
hda5  - linux flavour 1
hda6  - swap  ( only one for both flavours they wont be running at the
same time - mine works like that)
hda7  -  linux flavour 2..
Maybe a dos partition after hda2 for a transfer area between the OS's -
linux can read vfat 16, 32 but i do not now other flavours and visa versa..
You need a
common denominator to transfer stuf around - I use dos partition for that
reason.
If you do this then part no's change.
*
Again if it is a clean drive you can use linux to patition the drive as
suggested - then install first flavour in EXPERT mode to HDA5 or 7 - (it
does not really matter) - to prevent MD to write the MBR.
Now install w2k on HDA1.(it will write to MBR)
Then install flavour 2 to your open linux partition - now you may use auto
install - you need to let it detect and config lilo and write MBR. Be sure
to make boot disks.
Now if all go to plan your last install wil be in charge of booting. Maybe
you may need my example of lilo.conf to correct your config.

If this is a LIVE disk you need someting like partition magic it works very
nice BUT it failed me once.
Maybe linux can partition live drive - I do not know.
Then do as suggested and install.
***
Now something interesting - I read it in a linux mag and tried it - it
works.
If you have a second drive  - you can create there a partiton to put the
swap or /home - and maybe more I only tried this.
***
Ok if all this works you may access the other flavour from the live flavour
by mounting it manually (would not advize to put it in fstab).
What is importend here if you accessed the not live then you can not do like
cd /boot it will revert to live one - you MUST do like cd  /manx/root then
it will move inside the not live flavour.

Ok I have these rack and trays and  seven HD's of diiferent makes and size.
My Importent 2 drives I keep save - the rest I do experiment with.
Trust the above will be of assistance.
Feel free to ask if you need more info - it is difficult to know what you
need.
Enjoy
Johan
 

Yes, well, there ought to be an easy way really. Something quick and simple.
I would like to do the second M9.1 install and be sure NOT to install a 
lilo anywhere, but so far I haven't seen any means by which you can skip 
the lilo install on current M9.1 install discs.
Then use the lilo of the first M9.1 install, and it's link with 
/etc/lilo.conf in the first M9.1 OS,  to enter a stanza to boot the 
second M9.1 OS, but I'm not at all confident that ,

a) I can skip the second lilo install,
b) That the lilo of the first install will not get confused which of the 
two /etc/lilo.conf scripts now available to it,  and end up reading the 
wrong lilo.conf script, the one from the second M9.1 install.

Am I assured this will not happen ?  How does Lilo map itself to 
/etc/lilo.conf, will it find the correct partition to read lilo.conf ? 
when you have two identicle M9.1 on the same drive ?

I just wonder how lilo maps lilo.conf ?

I am guessing that it is merely set up to look for an /etc/lilo.conf in 
/ partition, but that would be risky, it might find the /etc/lilo.conf 
of any old linux OS, so there must be something more to make certain of 
it. I suppose, when lilo is installed, it maps the partition table and 
is told to look for a /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hd(x) where x is the 
partition in question. So that would be all right then. That makes sure 
it doesn't pick the wrong one.

In which case it's just a question of making sure lilo does not get 
installed on the second M9.1 install, anyone know for sure how to do 
that, because so far I haven't noticed how to do it on the current 
version of drakeX.

John

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Re[2]: [newbie] Latest version of Opera/Mandrake?

2003-06-26 Thread rikona
Hello DrewMartin,

Wednesday, June 25, 2003, 9:23:22 AM, you wrote:

D There is a new version of Opera it's on their Website,and the Rpm's
D are there.

Thanks to you and to Doug, Tom, and Brant for this suggestion. I was
hesitant to use this as it was for '9' and not '9.1', and was not sure
it would work. I tried other '9' software that didn't seem to work.

Installed it and it seems to be working OK.

Hello Thomas,

TW I tried it and it worked great at first and then  for some reason
TW it has slowed way down to the point its a pain to use. I'm  not
TW sure what the cause is, so the best I can say is that it looks
TW good, but  actual mileage may vary.

An older version of Opera had a problem if you use blocking to avoid
ads, obnoxious sites, etc. It would wait to time out on each access,
and this made it look very slow. I heard it was fixed in later
versions, but don't know first-hand.

There's a rather good support list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] You might
try asking there to find out what's going on.

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Re: [newbie] Java and font problem on ML 9.1

2003-06-26 Thread Guilherme Cirne
On Thursday 26 June 2003 08:19, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 09:38, Guilherme Cirne wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I have a font problem in java apps running under ML 9.1 which is very
  hard to explain so I have screenshot showing exactly what I mean. I
  can send this to anyone who is willing to help.
 
  Basically what happens is this. The height of the default java font
  (Dialog) is not being calculated correctly under ML 9.1. So all
  components, like buttons, are much higher than they should be.
 
  I know that Dialog is just a link which by default points to Lucida
  Sans and this can be changed in the jre font.properties file. But the
  strange thing is that if the font of a particular component is set to
  Lucida Sans directly then the height is calculated correctly and the
  component looks like it should. So the problem isn't the Lucida Sans
  font. This can be seen clearly on the screenshot which I made.
 
  This only happens on ML 9.1. On 9.0 it works as it should. I have
  also tried different jre's like Blackdown's 1.4.1 and Sun's 1.4.1 and
  1.4.2 beta and they all have this problem. So this is a ML 9.1
  specific issue. I have also performed various installations of ML 9.1
  on different machines and the results are the same.
 
  So if anybody has seen this and can help me I would be very grateful.
  And don't forget, I can send anyone a screenshot which makes it much
  clearer to see the problem.
 
  TIA,

 You might try running the Java IDE under a different window manager or
 desktop (Gnome, WindowMaker, XFCE, Enlightenment, etc) to see if the
 problem persists across those as well - it could merely be a font
 problem in the window manager/desktop you're currently using...

I forgot to mention that I had already tried running under KDE, Gnome and 
IceWM and the results are the same. So, any other ideas?

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-26 Thread Miark
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:22:04 +0300
Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They don't need to - it's been point and click ever since NT came out. 
 Though I hear the latest Windows server will have - gasp - a command 
 line.  That'll confuse a lot of people.

Yes, M$ is going to implement a command line. They talk and bitch and 
gripe about how *ni in archaic and lacks power and is difficult to use,
but they try to steal ideas and technology from *nix all the time. 
Hypocritical two-faced lying bastards.

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[newbie] VM Ware questions

2003-06-26 Thread John Wilson
Hello all.

Now that I've finished tormenting Joe for another day or so, I seem to have a 
problem.

I downloaded VM Ware from the club, installed it and then discovered that I 
couldn't even get an evalutation license for it.  So...I downloaded the new 
version.   And guess what?  I got the license and it stopped working within 
about 10 minutes complaining that there is a new version out there.  Of 
course there isn't. :-)

I'm thinking now that I should have deleted the old version and installed the 
new one fresh rather than upgraded. Am I right? 

The other question could be a RTFM one, but I couldn't find an intelligable 
answer in the FM so I'll try here.  (Hates PDF sometimes!)

I installed it on a box with two OS's already installed.  One, is, of course, 
our favourite Linux distro, the other hails from the evil empire and is known 
as XP.  I can understand placing a virtual machine but the instructions seem 
to indicate that I should reinstall XP (activation code and all) in VM Ware 
just to access what's already there.  So...should I be setting up the virtual 
machine with a boot disk from XP?  Just what am I, thick headedly, missing? 

Thanks!

ttfn

John 

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[newbie] Updated kernel

2003-06-26 Thread Miark
What does this mean, and how do I fix it?

Miark


[EMAIL PROTECTED] boot]# urpmi kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk

ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/9.1/i586/../../updates/9.1/RPMS/kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm

Preparing...##
   1:kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk  ##
mke2fs 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
mke2fs 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
look like there was a problem, the default vmlinuz version is not the same
of the initrd
which mean you have a mdk kernel and not a mdk initrd you may go in trouble
not adding entry, 2421-18 already exists

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Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive

2003-06-26 Thread FemmeFatale
At 08:27 PM 6/26/2003 +0100, you wrote:
bull (insert visual here) size snip
Yes, well, there ought to be an easy way really. Something quick and simple.
I would like to do the second M9.1 install and be sure NOT to install a 
lilo anywhere, but so far I haven't seen any means by which you can skip 
the lilo install on current M9.1 install discs.
Then use the lilo of the first M9.1 install, and it's link with 
/etc/lilo.conf in the first M9.1 OS,  to enter a stanza to boot the second 
M9.1 OS, but I'm not at all confident that ,

a) I can skip the second lilo install,
b) That the lilo of the first install will not get confused which of the 
two /etc/lilo.conf scripts now available to it,  and end up reading the 
wrong lilo.conf script, the one from the second M9.1 install.

Am I assured this will not happen ?  How does Lilo map itself to 
/etc/lilo.conf, will it find the correct partition to read lilo.conf ? 
when you have two identicle M9.1 on the same drive ?

I just wonder how lilo maps lilo.conf ?

I am guessing that it is merely set up to look for an /etc/lilo.conf in / 
partition, but that would be risky, it might find the /etc/lilo.conf of 
any old linux OS, so there must be something more to make certain of it. I 
suppose, when lilo is installed, it maps the partition table and is told 
to look for a /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hd(x) where x is the partition in 
question. So that would be all right then. That makes sure it doesn't pick 
the wrong one.

In which case it's just a question of making sure lilo does not get 
installed on the second M9.1 install, anyone know for sure how to do that, 
because so far I haven't noticed how to do it on the current version of drakeX.

John

Correct me if i'm wrong but LILO will overwrite itself if stuck to the 
MBR.  If i'm not right I'd just write LILO to a floppy for hte one you want 
it to skip.  That way no harm done, Lilo writes to something  you can 
still write the OTHER lilo to your MBR after all.


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Re: [newbie] Latest version of Opera/Mandrake?

2003-06-26 Thread Thomas Williams
On Thursday 26 June 2003 04:20 pm, rikona wrote:
 An older version of Opera had a problem if you use blocking to avoid
 ads, obnoxious sites, etc. It would wait to time out on each access,
 and this made it look very slow. I heard it was fixed in later
 versions, but don't know first-hand.
 

This was 7.11. Its probably something I did. I don't know what offhand. I 
haven't gotten around to figuring it out. If anyone would like, if and when I 
do, I'll post an explanation as to what it was and how I fixed it.

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[newbie] xclock

2003-06-26 Thread JoeHill

I know this is kinda silly, but I've been at this for days and I
can't figure out what I'm doin' wrong.

I cannot get xclock to accept my command line arguments for -fg, -hd, or
-hl.

The -bg argument is accepted correctly, but none of the others. Any
tips, help, slaps to the head appreciated.

Yes I read the manpage and did about a hundred Googles, no luck.

Cheers all!

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Re: [newbie] No response on questions

2003-06-26 Thread kiosk
On 24 Jun 2003 04:15:23 -0700
Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In reality if we like a word, we file the serial numbers off and claim
 it for our own.

Heh heh heh. Language does tend to work that way - despite the best
efforts of the bean-counters and their political masters.

In fact one could consider language itself the original open source
project. After all, so much of the English language is words from other
languages which have been incorporated, with or without spin. This is
one reason why english is such a dominant language. Browsing an
etymological dictionary can be very revealing, in that respect.

Is copyright really such a useful device for the writer, who, above all
else, wants to be read? If the success of a popular song can be measured
by the number of people who find themselves listening and responding and
using the words that mean something, then surely the same thing
applies to code, to some extent at least. Linux is, in effect, for those
for whom such things matter, the language of democracy. If that were not
the case then they wouldn't be trying so hard to suppress it.

Thanks for the laugh.


Janet Blankfield


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[newbie] Western Digital Drives, a patch u may need

2003-06-26 Thread FemmeFatale


if you are exclusively in LINUX use this with FreeDOS (ty Tom Brinkman for 
sending me to the kernel list archives where I found this wonderful tidbit).

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_admin=1p_faqid=913p_created=1047068027

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[newbie] mail list

2003-06-26 Thread dlwiggers
Hi All

I've been lurking here since 8.0.  I thank you all for making me comfortable if not 
really proficient in ML. 

I have a problem which I have tried to resolve with ML and my site host.  ML won't 
answer me and my guy says it's all ML's list servers' fault.

Here's the deal.  I am about to lose my [EMAIL PROTECTED] because Comcast bought 'em.

I have tried several times to subscribe to the lists as [EMAIL PROTECTED]  The Sympa 
server is unable to resolve the host-name for some reason.  Other lists with other 
servers and other general correspondence works perfectly.

I know there are other ways to work around this problem.  That's not what I want.  I 
want to know why this is happening and I want ML to fix it.  I'll probably be happy 
with the why.

It burns my butt to get incessant warnings about the expiration of my Club dues and a 
deaf ear to my plea.

Being a stubborn old fellow, I ain't givin' up a dime, sou, euro, or pence until I get 
an answer.

I know I'm a little ripple in a big pond, but Mandrake sure has a way of shooting 
themselves in the foot.

Sincerely

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Re: [newbie] Printer virus problem

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 00:36, Robin Turner wrote:
 No, of course I haven't got a virus, but someone on our LAN has, and 
 it's printing garbage (probably its own code) to my Samba printer. One 
 line, one page, so we've got through two reams of paper this week. 
 Short of updating virus definitions and scanning all our Windows boxes 
 (eventually necessary, but a big job, especially since our institution 
 is not subscribed for virus definiton updates) is there a way I can 
 block this?
 
 Sir Robin

Can't you simply blow out all the jobs for that printer, take the
printer offline, scan the network for the machine that's attempting to
communicate to your Samba printer and then blow it up?

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Re: [newbie] Java and font problem on ML 9.1

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 07:11, Guilherme Cirne wrote:

  You might try running the Java IDE under a different window manager or
  desktop (Gnome, WindowMaker, XFCE, Enlightenment, etc) to see if the
  problem persists across those as well - it could merely be a font
  problem in the window manager/desktop you're currently using...
 
 I forgot to mention that I had already tried running under KDE, Gnome and 
 IceWM and the results are the same. So, any other ideas?

I would assume it has something to do with XFT - since support wasn't
really in 9.0 but IS in 9.1 - so it would have something to do with the
XFT settings...

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Re: [newbie] Linux passing the Mac on the Desktop?

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 07:55, Miark wrote:
 On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 17:22:04 +0300
 Robin Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  They don't need to - it's been point and click ever since NT came out. 
  Though I hear the latest Windows server will have - gasp - a command 
  line.  That'll confuse a lot of people.
 
 Yes, M$ is going to implement a command line. They talk and bitch and 
 gripe about how *ni in archaic and lacks power and is difficult to use,
 but they try to steal ideas and technology from *nix all the time. 
 Hypocritical two-faced lying bastards.
 
 Miark

Keep in mind that contractors that work(ed) for Microsoft in their
support centres are trained to do troubleshooting from COMMAND.COM or
CMD.EXE (been there done that)

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Re: [newbie] VM Ware questions

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 08:17, John Wilson wrote:
 Hello all.
 
 Now that I've finished tormenting Joe for another day or so, I seem to have a 
 problem.

What - you actually LISTEN to what Joe has to say? Damn - you've been
hornswaggled, mate! (g)

 I downloaded VM Ware from the club, installed it and then discovered that I 
 couldn't even get an evalutation license for it.  So...I downloaded the new 
 version.   And guess what?  I got the license and it stopped working within 
 about 10 minutes complaining that there is a new version out there.  Of 
 course there isn't. :-)
 
 I'm thinking now that I should have deleted the old version and installed the 
 new one fresh rather than upgraded. Am I right? 
 
 The other question could be a RTFM one, but I couldn't find an intelligable 
 answer in the FM so I'll try here.  (Hates PDF sometimes!)

VMWare documentation ain't what it COULD be - it's rather like it's part
of RedHat or something - they assume you're a frigging programmer or
technodroid and offer only cryptic allusions to realworld issues...

Look, you CAN set it up to actually access a physical drive, but in all
reality, UNTIL YOU'RE SUPER DOOPER FAMILIAR WITH VMWARE, don't do it.
Use virtual HD's instead.

You can Run XP in a VMWare session with a VM HD - I do that when I
absolutely have to use it - which saves heaps of space overall...

Then again, I reckon that I'd rather have only one OS to boot to - and
if I need another, I'll run it in a VMWare session with a VM disk (so I
can always save the VM HD when I reinstall - or access the same VM HD
from another machine on the network)

HTH...(and beware the Joe)

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Re: [newbie] xclock

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 08:50, JoeHill wrote:
 I know this is kinda silly, but I've been at this for days and I
 can't figure out what I'm doin' wrong.
 
 I cannot get xclock to accept my command line arguments for -fg, -hd, or
 -hl.
 
 The -bg argument is accepted correctly, but none of the others. Any
 tips, help, slaps to the head appreciated.
 
 Yes I read the manpage and did about a hundred Googles, no luck.
 
 Cheers all!

And is it safe to assume you already know how to tell time?

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Re: [newbie] Java and font problem on ML 9.1

2003-06-26 Thread Guilherme Cirne
On Thursday 26 June 2003 20:35, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
 On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 07:11, Guilherme Cirne wrote:
   You might try running the Java IDE under a different window manager
   or desktop (Gnome, WindowMaker, XFCE, Enlightenment, etc) to see if
   the problem persists across those as well - it could merely be a
   font problem in the window manager/desktop you're currently
   using...
 
  I forgot to mention that I had already tried running under KDE, Gnome
  and IceWM and the results are the same. So, any other ideas?

 I would assume it has something to do with XFT - since support wasn't
 really in 9.0 but IS in 9.1 - so it would have something to do with the
 XFT settings...

Do you know where I could start looking?

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Re: [newbie] xclock

2003-06-26 Thread JoeHill
On 27 Jun 2003 09:45:11 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 And is it safe to assume you already know how to tell time?

That I'm still workin on. :)
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Re: [newbie] Java and font problem on ML 9.1

2003-06-26 Thread JoeHill
On 27 Jun 2003 09:35:32 +1000
Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered:

 I would assume it has something to do with XFT - since support wasn't
 really in 9.0 but IS in 9.1 - so it would have something to do with
 the XFT settings...

I had the same probs in 9.0 and 9.1, both of which I have AA disabled
for anything under 15 points. 

Never seen a sol'n.
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Re: [newbie] VM Ware questions

2003-06-26 Thread John Wilson
On June 26, 2003 04:43 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote:

 What - you actually LISTEN to what Joe has to say? Damn - you've been
 hornswaggled, mate! (g)

Actually, I just torment him.  It's the Canadian way for us British Columbians 
to torment anyone fool enough to live east of the Rockies.  Oh, we'll make a 
small concession to Albertans, after all, they're BC wannabes but further 
east than that?  Nahh..we just remind them that we're sipping mai tai's on 
the porch on New Years Day while they huddle indoors from the ice and snow. 
:-)


 VMWare documentation ain't what it COULD be - it's rather like it's part
 of RedHat or something - they assume you're a frigging programmer or
 technodroid and offer only cryptic allusions to realworld issues...

 Look, you CAN set it up to actually access a physical drive, but in all
 reality, UNTIL YOU'RE SUPER DOOPER FAMILIAR WITH VMWARE, don't do it.
 Use virtual HD's instead.

 You can Run XP in a VMWare session with a VM HD - I do that when I
 absolutely have to use it - which saves heaps of space overall...

Grr...I do hope it will read and run what's there already!

To think I'm doing this so that I can test it running resource hogs like Poser 
5 and Photoshop 8.  (As good as TheGIMP is it ain't Photoshop yet, dammit.)

 HTH...(and beware the Joe)

always :-)

ttfn

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Re: [newbie] Java and font problem on ML 9.1

2003-06-26 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 09:56, Guilherme Cirne wrote:

 Do you know where I could start looking?

Not quite sure, to be honest...

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[newbie] Thanks,

2003-06-26 Thread Wade Waldron



Well, thanks to everyones help in trying to solve 
my installation problems with Mandrake. Unfortunately, I have installed it 
5-6 times now with all sorts of different settings and have come up empty. 
So at this point, I am either going to seek another distribution of Linux, or 
give up on it completely. If anyone has any suggestions for a good 
distribution for a beginner (Although I do have a BSc in Computer Science, so 
beginner might not be quite the right word) I would appreciate it.

Wade


Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS

2003-06-26 Thread stormjumper
i'm not sure if this has been covered, but have you tried expert mode (or
text mode)?

i'm quite sure i've seen the option somewhere when installing 9.1, but it's
been some time since.
- Original Message - 
From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 03:03
Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS


 OK, But on the current release  M9.1 , where is the tab to not install
 Lilo in the MBR or anywhere else for that matter. I have'nt noticed any
 choice so far ?

 John


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Re: [newbie] Updated kernel

2003-06-26 Thread stormjumper
whatever it is, try not to reboot until you sort this out.
(although since the two kernels are very similar,
your system MAY survive a reboot)

it appears that you have one or more entries in /etc/lilo.conf where the
linux kernel (vmlinuz) isn't match properly to the initial ramdisk
(initrd.img)

IMHO, you can

1. try to troubleshoot the issue yourself,
in which case it may help to read
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/magic.php
specifically the section on Black Magic: Kernel Updates

2. post your lilo.conf and contents of
/boot (use ls -l instead of just ls) here.

3. try to clobber over everything by reinstalling your kernels,
clearing out your lilo.conf (remember to back up)
using the --force if necessary
rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.21.0.13mdk
followed by
rpm -ivh kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk
it *SHOULD* work, assuming your system hasn't been drastically modified
but at the very least, have a working boot disk ready
- Original Message - 
From: Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 06:23
Subject: [newbie] Updated kernel


 What does this mean, and how do I fix it?

 Miark


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] boot]# urpmi kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk

ftp://mirrors.secsup.org/pub/linux/mandrake/Mandrake/9.1/i586/../../updates/9.1/RPMS/kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm
 installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm

 Preparing...
##
1:kernel-2.4.21.0.18mdk
##
 mke2fs 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
 mke2fs 1.32 (09-Nov-2002)
 look like there was a problem, the default vmlinuz version is not the same
 of the initrd
 which mean you have a mdk kernel and not a mdk initrd you may go in
trouble
 not adding entry, 2421-18 already exists








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[newbie] Kernel configuration

2003-06-26 Thread Noah A Hicks
When someone says to use the following parameters to configure a kernel,
how can this be implemented in makemenuconfig?
CONFIG_APM=y
# CONFIG_APM_IGNORE_USER_SUSPEND is not set
CONFIG_APM_DO_ENABLE=y
# CONFIG_APM_CPU_IDLE is not set
CONFIG_APM_DISPLAY_BLANK=y

Is this done by manually editing the configure script?  Just trying to
figure out a website with kernel confige info for my hardware.

Thanks
Noah

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