Re: [newbie] Opera and Konqueror
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 19:54, Andy Yankovich wrote: Am I correct in thinking that, even tho I use Opera (or Firefox) as my primary web browser, Konqueror remains my primary (only?) file manager? Andy In the Linux world you have a lot of choice. Konqueror is the file Manager supplied with the KDE window manager, but you could also be using xwc - Looks similar to Windows Explorer (but better of course) Rox - Very nice file manager suitable for slow computers. mc - Text based file manager good for those who prefer consoles. Xffm - File manager for the XFce desktop nautilus - The file manager for Gnome desktop (not my favourite) You can use any of these file managers under any window manager. Just because you use KDE does not mean you have to use konqueror. You might also like to play with different window Managers. There are I think 11 different ones supplied on your CDs. The most popular are KDE and Gnome, but IceWm, XFce, WindowMaker, blackbox, and fluxbox all have their fans too. After installing a new Window Manager you can select it it the log on menu where you input your user name. -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Opera and Konqueror
Am I correct in thinking that, even tho I use Opera (or Firefox) as my primary web browser, Konqueror remains my primary (only?) file manager? Andy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and Konqueror
On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:54:54 -0500 Andy Yankovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am I correct in thinking that, even tho I use Opera (or Firefox) as my primary web browser, Konqueror remains my primary (only?) file manager? If you have KDE installed that is the filemanager that KDE installs, but for example Xfce has its own filemanager. /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and Konqueror
Or if you open your console and type MC you will open a program called midnight commander, which is a great file manager Andrew D On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 06:54, Andy Yankovich wrote: Am I correct in thinking that, even tho I use Opera (or Firefox) as my primary web browser, Konqueror remains my primary (only?) file manager? Andy ---Safe Stamp--- Your Anti-virus Service scanned this email. It is safe from known viruses. For more information regarding this service, please contact your service provider. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and Konqueror
ooops big nite drinking, that should be mc not MC - happy Australia day On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 07:59, Andrewd wrote: Or if you open your console and type MC you will open a program called midnight commander, which is a great file manager Andrew D On Wed, 2005-01-26 at 06:54, Andy Yankovich wrote: Am I correct in thinking that, even tho I use Opera (or Firefox) as my primary web browser, Konqueror remains my primary (only?) file manager? Andy ---Safe Stamp--- Your Anti-virus Service scanned this email. It is safe from known viruses. For more information regarding this service, please contact your service provider. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com ---Safe Stamp--- Your Anti-virus Service scanned this email. It is safe from known viruses. For more information regarding this service, please contact your service provider. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 7.51 Menu font is tiny
On Friday 02 Jul 2004 13:54, EE wrote: Guys/Gals The opera menu font such File, etc is super tiny and hard to read. Anybody? BRgd ToolsPreferencesFontsInterfaceMenusChoose Make sure the font you select is present on the computer derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 7.51 Menu font is tiny
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:54:01 +0300, EE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The opera menu font such File, etc is super tiny and hard to read. Anybody? Select Tools/Preferences/Fonts and then click on Interface menus in the Type column. Then click the Choose button and from there you can select the font, font size, etc. I have mine set at Nimbus Sans L [urw], size 14, weight = normal. -- Martin Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
OT- Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
On Thursday 27 May 2004 04:20, rikona wrote: Hello Greg, Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 8:13:40 AM, you wrote: GM I occasionally run into this and have found that sometimes it is GM because of the site designer writing the code to IE, and although GM the site doesn't block you because opera handles the javascript GM in a standards compliant way, but ie doesn't and since the site GM is written to IE, it won't work. M$ slogan: The jobs not done 'till won't run. Replace the 's with Netscape, Opera, Google, Linux, etc. Interestingly MicroSoft has recently paid Opera $12.75M as compensation for deliberately sending bad html to Opera browsers in MSN so people would get a bad impression of Opera. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16119 When MSN started 'borking' Opera in MSN, Opera responded by releasing the Opera 'BorkBork' edition that would automatically translate MSN pages into 'BorkBork'. An example of which can be seen here http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/2/0,1311,sz=1i=20484,00.gif It is nice to see a company with a sense of humour. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
On Thursday 27 May 2004 05:34, rikona wrote: snip Compounding the problem is the widespread need to lie about browser type. This simply adds to the statistics favoring IE, and make them LESS likely to change when they look at the numbers. Some have told me less than 1% of users are non-IE! Maybe they went someplace else. /snip Yes, I did. I simply told my former bank, that if they couldn't make a standards-compatible webservice, then I couldn't trust them my money. I don't think they had the faintest idea of what I was talking about, though. Anyway, they lost a customer, and I would never humiliate myself by letting my browsers pretend to come from the dark side. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * http://www.haulrich.net * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
On Thu, 27 May 2004 10:54:19 -0600 Ron Hunter-Duvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2004 03:05, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Thursday 27 May 2004 05:34, rikona wrote: snip Compounding the problem is the widespread need to lie about browser type. This simply adds to the statistics favoring IE, and make them LESS likely to change when they look at the numbers. Some have told me less than 1% of users are non-IE! Maybe they went someplace else. /snip Yes, I did. I simply told my former bank, that if they couldn't make a standards-compatible webservice, then I couldn't trust them my money. I don't think they had the faintest idea of what I was talking about, though. Anyway, they lost a customer, and I would never humiliate myself by letting my browsers pretend to come from the dark side. Kaj Haulrich. I've never stooped to pretending to be IE. That would just make me feel dirty :^\. I never even thought of the stats issue before, but now I definitely won't ever do this. I can bring myself to pretend to be Netscape or Mozilla, though - at least they're open source, and any stats count against M$. I'd like to be able to get these sites fixed, but the only way to get a Canadian bank to move on an issue is to get them looking bad in the news, or taking them before the Superintendant of Financial Institutions. But neither of these is going to care about a techie issue like this. In my younger days I enjoyed tilting at windmills, but I don't have the energy for it any more :^). I once fought for more than a year to have various bugs fixed in an online trading site, with zero success. Then came the crash, and I just cashed out and gave up on them. -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. I've always had to id as mse with Washington Mutual. I just switched back to Opera for a min and checked. Still barfs. Two years or more after complaining. Frankly though, my computer is a tool, not a toy. I keep my fanaticism in church and use my tools however they work best. 1.5 cents Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
On Thursday 27 May 2004 11:44 am, Lee Wiggers wrote: On Thu, 27 May 2004 10:54:19 -0600 Ron Hunter-Duvar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 27, 2004 03:05, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Thursday 27 May 2004 05:34, rikona wrote: snip Compounding the problem is the widespread need to lie about browser type. This simply adds to the statistics favoring IE, and make them LESS likely to change when they look at the numbers. Some have told me less than 1% of users are non-IE! Maybe they went someplace else. /snip Yes, I did. I simply told my former bank, that if they couldn't make a standards-compatible webservice, then I couldn't trust them my money. I don't think they had the faintest idea of what I was talking about, though. Anyway, they lost a customer, and I would never humiliate myself by letting my browsers pretend to come from the dark side. Kaj Haulrich. I've never stooped to pretending to be IE. That would just make me feel dirty :^\. I never even thought of the stats issue before, but now I definitely won't ever do this. I can bring myself to pretend to be Netscape or Mozilla, though - at least they're open source, and any stats count against M$. I'd like to be able to get these sites fixed, but the only way to get a Canadian bank to move on an issue is to get them looking bad in the news, or taking them before the Superintendant of Financial Institutions. But neither of these is going to care about a techie issue like this. In my younger days I enjoyed tilting at windmills, but I don't have the energy for it any more :^). I once fought for more than a year to have various bugs fixed in an online trading site, with zero success. Then came the crash, and I just cashed out and gave up on them. -- Ron Hunter-Duvar ronhd at users dot sourceforge dot net Opinions expressed here are all mine. Rights to use these opinions are granted under the GNU GPL. I've always had to id as mse with Washington Mutual. I just switched back to Opera for a min and checked. Still barfs. Two years or more after complaining. Frankly though, my computer is a tool, not a toy. I keep my fanaticism in church and use my tools however they work best. 1.5 cents Lee I got a long form letter saying that it was Netscapes fault that my browser didn't work. However, they were currently using WebConnect and were in the process of rewriting thier stuff to be more compatible with later versions of Netscape. Since I didn't say anything about Netscape in my complaint email, you can see were it got me. Oh well, at least I can complain and if I could easily move my business accounts to the bank where I have my personal accounts I would. Thanks for the responses. DBW -- ( )_( ) ( 0 0 ) --( )-- --0-- Never argue with an idiot. They drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
On Tuesday 25 May 2004 10:08 pm, David B. Williams wrote: I've been down this path before and as usual I can't for the life of me remember what it was I did to fix it. So any help is appreciated. The bank that I use for my personal accounts will accept Opera as the browser just fine. The bank that I use for my business accounts will not. I moved to Opera under 9.1 because it worked with both banks. However, it didn't work just right with the business bank at first and I could get it around the error and continue anyway. I installed 10.0 and the problem is back. I have started by enabling everything, setting the id to MSIE6.0 and have java installed with a valid path. I always get the error that my sign on name or my passwork are incorrect. Any suggestions? I occasionally run into this and have found that sometimes it is because of the site designer writing the code to IE, and although the site doesn't block you because opera handles the javascript in a standards compliant way, but ie doesn't and since the site is written to IE, it won't work. I recall opera asking to be notified of sites that don't work so you could be report it to opera and see if they can implement a workaround. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
On May 25, 2004 20:08, David B. Williams wrote:
I've been down this path before and as usual I can't for the life of me
remember what it was I did to fix it. So any help is appreciated.
The bank that I use for my personal accounts will accept Opera as the
browser just fine. The bank that I use for my business accounts will not.
I moved to Opera under 9.1 because it worked with both banks. However, it
didn't work just right with the business bank at first and I could get it
around the error and continue anyway.
I installed 10.0 and the problem is back.
I have started by enabling everything, setting the id to MSIE6.0 and have
java installed with a valid path. I always get the error that my sign on
name or my passwork are incorrect.
Any suggestions?
Sometimes you just have to lie to the site about your browser identity. It's
not uncommon (though improving) for a site to have javascript that instead of
checking is feature x supported before using feature x, does something
stupid like is browser IE or Netscape.
Often if you ask to see the page source you can see the offending code. Don't
know how to do this in Opera (never used it), but every other browser I've
used supports this.
If you see poor code like this you can ask the bank to fix it (good luck!).
But at least in Mozilla and Konqueror, there's a place to configure it to
send a different browser id string for specific sites.
I had to do this with Konqueror for one of my credit card companies. They
have the following embedded in their web page:
script language=JavaScript
!--
var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
var is_major = parseInt(navigator.appVersion);
var is_nav = ((agt.indexOf('mozilla')!=-1) (agt.indexOf('spoofer')==-1)
(agt.indexOf('compatible') == -1) (agt.indexOf('hotjava')==-1));
var is_nav6up = (is_nav (is_major = 5));
var is_gecko = (agt.indexOf('gecko') != -1);
var is_ie= ((agt.indexOf(msie) != -1) (agt.indexOf(opera) ==
-1));
if (is_ie || is_nav6up || is_gecko) { //IE + Mozilla
You can see from this that they will accept IE, Mozilla, Hotjava or Opera (and
maybe Netscape, not sure), but not Konqueror. Once I told Konqueror to
pretend it was Mozilla, I was fine.
Of course, sometimes when you tell it to pretend, it then runs into something
it doesn't support and gives interesting behaviour ;^}.
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Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
On Wednesday 26 May 2004 07:23 pm, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:
On May 25, 2004 20:08, David B. Williams wrote:
I've been down this path before and as usual I can't for the life of me
remember what it was I did to fix it. So any help is appreciated.
The bank that I use for my personal accounts will accept Opera as the
browser just fine. The bank that I use for my business accounts will not.
I moved to Opera under 9.1 because it worked with both banks. However, it
didn't work just right with the business bank at first and I could get it
around the error and continue anyway.
I installed 10.0 and the problem is back.
I have started by enabling everything, setting the id to MSIE6.0 and have
java installed with a valid path. I always get the error that my sign on
name or my passwork are incorrect.
Any suggestions?
Sometimes you just have to lie to the site about your browser identity.
It's not uncommon (though improving) for a site to have javascript that
instead of checking is feature x supported before using feature x, does
something stupid like is browser IE or Netscape.
Often if you ask to see the page source you can see the offending code.
Don't know how to do this in Opera (never used it), but every other browser
I've used supports this.
If you see poor code like this you can ask the bank to fix it (good luck!).
But at least in Mozilla and Konqueror, there's a place to configure it to
send a different browser id string for specific sites.
I had to do this with Konqueror for one of my credit card companies. They
have the following embedded in their web page:
script language=JavaScript
!--
var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();
var is_major = parseInt(navigator.appVersion);
var is_nav = ((agt.indexOf('mozilla')!=-1)
(agt.indexOf('spoofer')==-1) (agt.indexOf('compatible') == -1)
(agt.indexOf('hotjava')==-1)); var is_nav6up = (is_nav (is_major = 5));
var is_gecko = (agt.indexOf('gecko') != -1);
var is_ie= ((agt.indexOf(msie) != -1) (agt.indexOf(opera) ==
-1));
if (is_ie || is_nav6up || is_gecko) { //IE + Mozilla
You can see from this that they will accept IE, Mozilla, Hotjava or Opera
(and maybe Netscape, not sure), but not Konqueror. Once I told Konqueror to
pretend it was Mozilla, I was fine.
Of course, sometimes when you tell it to pretend, it then runs into
something it doesn't support and gives interesting behaviour ;^}.
I have tried all of the hints from Opera and none work.
I did leave a message with the bank that they should allow Opera, Mozilla,
etc. etc. and reported the issue to Opera.
I know that I get some errors with Opera when it tries to display the page.
I will keep at it.
Thanks for the help.
DBW
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Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
Hello Greg, Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 8:13:40 AM, you wrote: GM I occasionally run into this and have found that sometimes it is GM because of the site designer writing the code to IE, and although GM the site doesn't block you because opera handles the javascript GM in a standards compliant way, but ie doesn't and since the site GM is written to IE, it won't work. M$ slogan: The jobs not done 'till won't run. Replace the 's with Netscape, Opera, Google, Linux, etc. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera and my bank
Hello David, Wednesday, May 26, 2004, 7:14:32 PM, you wrote: DBW I have tried all of the hints from Opera and none work. If it's IE-specific code it will not work well, or at all. If Opera fixes it with a work-around, a later M$ update will fix the problem of Opera being able to work. :-( This is a continuing problem for Opera users. DBW I did leave a message with the bank that they should allow Opera, DBW Mozilla, etc. etc. and reported the issue to Opera. I have gone round and round on this with quite a few companies including several banks. Essentially, they tell me to go away, and the success rate has been quite low. The larger the company, the less likely it will be done (a few VERY small companies are sympathetic, but can't afford it, though). Compounding the problem is the widespread need to lie about browser type. This simply adds to the statistics favoring IE, and make them LESS likely to change when they look at the numbers. Some have told me less than 1% of users are non-IE! Maybe they went someplace else. -- rikonamailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Opera and my bank
I've been down this path before and as usual I can't for the life of me remember what it was I did to fix it. So any help is appreciated. The bank that I use for my personal accounts will accept Opera as the browser just fine. The bank that I use for my business accounts will not. I moved to Opera under 9.1 because it worked with both banks. However, it didn't work just right with the business bank at first and I could get it around the error and continue anyway. I installed 10.0 and the problem is back. I have started by enabling everything, setting the id to MSIE6.0 and have java installed with a valid path. I always get the error that my sign on name or my passwork are incorrect. Any suggestions? -- ( )_( ) ( 0 0 ) --( )-- --0-- Never argue with an idiot. They drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
--- On Sunday 23 May 2004 00:56, Erylon Hines wrote: | To keep this on topic, Opera 7.5 is an excellent browser with a very | attractive interface. The Opera folks did a good job and deserve the | praise. Absolutely right - my point is that I like each job to be done by a separate app. If you're using one app to act as browser, email client and newsreader (not to mention HTML editor, address book etc) then it's harder to adopt newer, better single-function apps when they become available. In other words, if a whizzy new browser comes along, you either have to find new clients to do all the other functions that you were doing with your old browser, or carry on using it accepting that you're carrying deadweight. I like Opera a lot, but I wish they'd produce a 'lite' version which was just a browser, the way Mozilla has done with Firebird/Firefox. That said (and talking about deadweight) I have Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, Firebird and Firefox installed on this machine, because I use them all to check the web sites I create! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Sunday 23 May 2004 09:05, Steve Mansfield wrote: SNIP I like Opera a lot, but I wish they'd produce a 'lite' version which was just a browser, the way Mozilla has done with Firebird/Firefox. That said (and talking about deadweight) I have Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, Firebird and Firefox installed on this machine, because I use them all to check the web sites I create! Start opera with opera -nomail and M2 will not be loaded. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Sunday 23 May 2004 15:51, Derek Jennings wrote: On Sunday 23 May 2004 09:05, Steve Mansfield wrote: SNIP I like Opera a lot, but I wish they'd produce a 'lite' version which was just a browser, the way Mozilla has done with Firebird/Firefox. That said (and talking about deadweight) I have Netscape, Mozilla, Opera, Firebird and Firefox installed on this machine, because I use them all to check the web sites I create! Start opera with opera -nomail and M2 will not be loaded. derek I think it's possible to do that under the Tools -- Preferences -- Programs and paths where one can uncheck enable mail and chat Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
Like others, I find Opera fast, and I like the interface. The fonts look terrible, though - changing them in preferences doesn't seem to make a difference, so am I missing some other way? David -- Unitam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
--- On Saturday 22 May 2004 09:50, David Robertson wrote: | Like others, I find Opera fast, and I like the interface. The fonts look | terrible, though - changing them in preferences doesn't seem to make a | difference, so am I missing some other way? Once you've selected your preferred fonts (and I find Adobe Helvetica is very clean-looking), make sure you also visit the 'Page style' sections of preferences and select the 'My fonts and colors' option in Author mode and User mode. @+ Steve Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Fri, 21 May 2004 13:25:33 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? FWIW, I like and use it. The Other Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
--- On Saturday 22 May 2004 15:55, Greg Meyer wrote: | On Saturday 22 May 2004 12:38 am, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: | Anyone else have any feeling on it? | | Love it (I don't use m2 though). Worth every penny. | | Is there a specific reason you're not using it for mail? I'm not | shilling for Opera or anything. I'm just curious. | | I just like Kmail a lot better. It is more mature, has better filtering | options, which I use extensively to manage the 10 mailing lists I am on. I'm with you there. I'm running SpamAssassin to filter out junk, but before mails get to the SA filter in Kmail they first go through a bunch of others. Kmail's facility to allow you to use regexes for filtering means I kill a lot of spam without even having to invoke SA. The same flexibility means I can sort and manage mail is all kinds of useful ways. I've always had the habit of using separate apps for different jobs, which means you can always use the best available. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Saturday 22 May 2004 09:53 am, Steve Mansfield wrote: --- On Saturday 22 May 2004 15:55, Greg Meyer wrote: I'm with you there. I'm running SpamAssassin to filter out junk, but before mails get to the SA filter in Kmail they first go through a bunch of others. Kmail's facility to allow you to use regexes for filtering means I kill a lot of spam without even having to invoke SA. The same flexibility means I can sort and manage mail is all kinds of useful ways. I've always had the habit of using separate apps for different jobs, which means you can always use the best available. I'm agree with this. My ISP uses SA, and quite intelligently tags spam with an s for each SA score. I've set up a Kmail filter to automatically junk anything that my ISP's filter tags with 13 or more s's. After that, my own SA's bayesian filter parses the messages with less than 13 s's and I apply more of my own rules and junk anything with a score of 4.0 or higher. Not much spam gets by and I rarely have a false positive. To keep this on topic, Opera 7.5 is an excellent browser with a very attractive interface. The Opera folks did a good job and deserve the praise. e Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Opera
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? - -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ 13:20:01 up 1 day, 12 min, 0 users, load average: 1.27, 0.95, 0.83 - --- Press on: nothing in the world can take the place of perseverance. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. -Calvin Coolidge -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFArjuTDpzwx2t8E5gRApJnAJ9/iM/o0mExTVJYyBtMgoIHKJS2KwCfbTov ZvaICSEnLE+XjM8GTbD/pbY= =93aw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Friday 21 May 2004 19:25, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? Can't speak for mail, but the Opera browser beats everything I've seen. Version 7.50 especially. Way back, around version 6, I threw a little dough their way, got rid of the advertising, and I'm more and more happy with it. Kaj Haulrich. -- * Sent from a 100 % Microsoft-free computer * * running Linux kernel 2.6.4 on Mandrake 10.0 * Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Friday 21 May 2004 01:25 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? Love it (I don't use m2 though). Worth every penny. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 13:25, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? - -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, my feeling is that you are right. ;) LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
- Original Message - From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:55:46 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Opera On Fri, 2004-05-21 at 13:25, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? - -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, my feeling is that you are right. ;) LX I have been using Opera for some time, and it has improved greatly through the past several versions. I've beta tested as the new versions come out, and find the Opera folks to be responsive to feedback and quick to reply. It's my browser of choice, for lin and wingreat performance. :-) --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness. -- James Thurber *** ~Linux Powered by Mandrake 9.2~ *** ~Reg. Linux User #278931~ *** -- _ Web-based SMS services available at http://www.operamail.com. From your mailbox to local or overseas cell phones. Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 21 May 2004 01:25 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? Love it (I don't use m2 though). Worth every penny. Is there a specific reason you're not using it for mail? I'm not shilling for Opera or anything. I'm just curious. The first downside I see with the mail client is that there are no encryption options that I could find. If i'm wrong on this I would seriously consider using Opera for all web and email use. - -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ 00:30:00 up 1 day, 11:22, 0 users, load average: 1.41, 1.70, 1.48 - --- Press on: nothing in the world can take the place of perseverance. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. -Calvin Coolidge -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFArtloDpzwx2t8E5gRAk8FAJ9gd8WDoz4eDHqQ1BIXtkoJzeKtUgCdGlMK MYYWWgK3yJF7tgp99dFNuvc= =Ny0l -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Is it me or is Opera, for mail and web browsing, looking better and better? It uses far less memory and is much faster while running on Linux. Anyone else have any feeling on it? I'm using Thunderbird right now and I'm pretty disappointed with the high memory use and very sluggish performance. Surprisingly version 0.5 on Mandrake 10CE is much slower than the full blown Mozilla on the same box. - -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ 00:40:01 up 1 day, 11:32, 0 users, load average: 1.12, 0.95, 1.15 - --- Press on: nothing in the world can take the place of perseverance. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. -Calvin Coolidge -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFArtpyDpzwx2t8E5gRAmVYAKCMryTkbYJbn08aPwUtyEByOkOJygCeLcIc 8NC2LQr8IDNJi8127sbsTlY= =qerX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Opera 7.23 (Final) works out-of-the-box
I alway preferred Opera as a browser but never got Java or QT working before. Never cared much. If I had to use 'em I cranked up Moz. The latest Opera just works. Out of the box. Lee -- User #223705 Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
On Saturday 30 August 2003 10:53 pm, Derek Jennings wrote: snip Opera is particularly good for low power machines. Faster than Firebird and uses less memory. /end advertisement derek /snip Derek, I agree completely. Opera is one of my favorites too. Furthermore : I purchased a license several years ago (about 5.0 or so) and payed about $ 20 to get rid of the ads. Every time they upgrade to a new, major release I get a discount, being an oldtimer. And the installation is a breeze - no need to reconfigure bookmarks, settings etc. And here comes the bad news : Opera relies on the Qt libraries from the Norwegian company Trolltech. Those are the same libraries KDE relies on (hence the shared libraries option). Some time ago I asked Trolltech about their alleged connection with SCO. They didn't answer. However, the allegations seem to be quite true - Google will confirm that. SCO and Trolltech are in the same *Canopy*. So - now I have to reconsider. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.25mdk Sent to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
Derek Jennings wrote: /begin advertisement Its worth giving Opera a try out. Not only is it the fastest browser around (Ok Yes I know about Dillo and Lynx), but it has a gazillion features other browsers do not have. My particular favourite feature is mouse gestures. Navigation by right clicking while moving the mouse in particular ways. (Yes I know Galeon has it too, but it works heaps better in Opera) Firebird has it too. And many other neat extensions ... but yes, it may be faster .. still, I'm trying to stay out of the path of software that comes as a lure from a comercial company ... that eventually leads to no good in my experience :) Opera is particularly good for low power machines. Faster than Firebird and uses less memory. /end advertisement derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] opera
Marc wrote: I do this all the time using Opera as a browser, the download seems to temperaly slow while web pages are loading. I think that there are some other browsers that do the same but I cant say for sure, it has been a long time since I used anything other than Opera. You can get Opera at www.opera.com or if you feel brave this is the URL for the latest Beta It seems 99% bug free. http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linuxver=7.20b7 Marc KM5KW but opera is adware, isn't it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
On Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:40:51 +0300 Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc wrote: I do this all the time using Opera as a browser, the download seems to temperaly slow while web pages are loading. I think that there are some other browsers that do the same but I cant say for sure, it has been a long time since I used anything other than Opera. You can get Opera at www.opera.com or if you feel brave this is the URL for the latest Beta It seems 99% bug free. http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linuxver=7.20b7 Marc KM5KW but opera is adware, isn't it? Opera is ad-supported unless you wish to buy the reg code ie:pay $35.oo USD and the ads go away -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
- Original Message - From: Anarky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:40:51 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] opera Marc wrote: I do this all the time using Opera as a browser, the download seems to temperaly slow while web pages are loading. I think that there are some other browsers that do the same but I cant say for sure, it has been a long time since I used anything other than Opera. You can get Opera at www.opera.com or if you feel brave this is the URL for the latest Beta It seems 99% bug free. http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linuxver=7.20b7 Marc KM5KW but opera is adware, isn't it? Opera has a small banner which runs ads in the upper right corner of the browser if you use it w/o registering. The ads are not too bothersome really, for the most part. I am currently using the latest 7.20 B7, on Linux as well as MS Windows. It is mostly bug-free as near as I can tell. Opera is a wonderful browser. Fast and light! HTH. --Angus (a dedicated Opera user) Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber *** ~Linux Powered by Mandrake 9.1~ *** ~Reg. Linux User #278931~ *** -- http://www.operamail.com Get OperaMail Premium today - USD 29.99/year Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
On Saturday 30 August 2003 11:40 am, Anarky wrote: Marc wrote: I do this all the time using Opera as a browser, the download seems to temperaly slow while web pages are loading. I think that there are some other browsers that do the same but I cant say for sure, it has been a long time since I used anything other than Opera. You can get Opera at www.opera.com or if you feel brave this is the URL for the latest Beta It seems 99% bug free. http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linuxver=7.20b7 Marc KM5KW but opera is adware, isn't it? Unless you purchase it and then you can turn the ads off. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
On Saturday 30 August 2003 10:40 am, Anarky wrote: Marc wrote: I do this all the time using Opera as a browser, the download seems to temperaly slow while web pages are loading. I think that there are some other browsers that do the same but I cant say for sure, it has been a long time since I used anything other than Opera. You can get Opera at www.opera.com or if you feel brave this is the URL for the latest Beta It seems 99% bug free. http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linuxver=7.20b7 Marc KM5KW but opera is adware, isn't it? Yep it does have a small advertising banner in the top right corner and it is not open sorce, these 2 things seem to be it's short comeings on the other hand it is lean and fast, has a popup blocker and in general a lot of nice features that I have not found elsewhere, or at least all in any 1 browser. Its been my personal favorite since the old winblows days. Just my 2 cents worth. Your mileage may vary. Marc KM5KW Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 12:17, Marc wrote: On Saturday 30 August 2003 10:40 am, Anarky wrote: Marc wrote: I do this all the time using Opera as a browser, the download seems to temperaly slow while web pages are loading. I think that there are some other browsers that do the same but I cant say for sure, it has been a long time since I used anything other than Opera. You can get Opera at www.opera.com or if you feel brave this is the URL for the latest Beta It seems 99% bug free. http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?platform=linuxver=7.20b7 Marc KM5KW but opera is adware, isn't it? Yep it does have a small advertising banner in the top right corner and it is not open sorce, these 2 things seem to be it's short comeings on the other hand it is lean and fast, has a popup blocker and in general a lot of nice features that I have not found elsewhere, or at least all in any 1 browser. Its been my personal favorite since the old winblows days. Just my 2 cents worth. Your mileage may vary. Marc KM5KW But as far as a downloader gui that has the ability to manually throttle the pipe,, try D4X Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera
On Saturday 30 Aug 2003 7:14 pm, Anarky wrote: Aron Smith wrote: but opera is adware, isn't it? Opera is ad-supported unless you wish to buy the reg code ie:pay $35.oo USD and the ads go away ummm .. I think I'll stick to Firebird then :) /begin advertisement Its worth giving Opera a try out. Not only is it the fastest browser around (Ok Yes I know about Dillo and Lynx), but it has a gazillion features other browsers do not have. My particular favourite feature is mouse gestures. Navigation by right clicking while moving the mouse in particular ways. (Yes I know Galeon has it too, but it works heaps better in Opera) Opera is particularly good for low power machines. Faster than Firebird and uses less memory. /end advertisement derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Opera
Hi Rikona, There is a new version of Opera it's on their Website,and the Rpm's are there.It installed with no problems,and ended up in the correct short cut folder on the start up in both KDE and Gnome. http://www.opera.com/products/user/index.dml?platform=linux .You need the QT Shared RedHat 8/SuSE 8.1/Mandrake 9. Cheers Drew - Original Message - From: rikona [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:59 AM Subject: [newbie] Latest version of Opera/Mandrake? Hello, I seem to remember someone mentioning Opera version 7+, but the version in the Club is 6.12. Is there a newer rpm version available? -- Best regards, rikona mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera seg fault solution
By all means comment out the entries. It can do no harm. Let us know if it helps. I also have been having random crashes on Opera 6.1 on my test machine. Opera 6.1 seems rather fragile to me, not up to Opera's usual standard. With so ,many good browsers like Galeon, Mozilla, and now Phoenix (due to be renamed soon) Opera are going to have to get their 'act together' to keep the community using it. derek On Saturday 30 Nov 2002 1:38 pm, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings all, I have been experiencing occasional seg faults w/Opera 6.1 shared qt on my Mdk 9.0. I learned of the following solution on the opera-linux list: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=6395 What I would like to ask of the folk here is, will disabling the entries in /etc/X11/XftConfig that are mentioned as a solution to the Opera seg faults cause any adverse effects to my system in general? I'm reluctant to alter system files. I guess I could just try commenting out the entries and see what happens, and if it causes anything undesireable to occur, just uncomment. I trust the advice of the people here, and would like feedback on this. TIA for any help. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber *** *Reg. Linux User #278931* *** *Power by Mandrake Linux 9.0* *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera seg fault solution
- Original Message - From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 20:58:07 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Opera seg fault solution By all means comment out the entries. It can do no harm. Let us know if it helps. I also have been having random crashes on Opera 6.1 on my test machine. Opera 6.1 seems rather fragile to me, not up to Opera's usual standard. With so ,many good browsers like Galeon, Mozilla, and now Phoenix (due to be renamed soon) Opera are going to have to get their 'act together' to keep the community using it. derek On Saturday 30 Nov 2002 1:38 pm, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings all, I have been experiencing occasional seg faults w/Opera 6.1 shared qt on my Mdk 9.0. I learned of the following solution on the opera-linux list: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=6395 What I would like to ask of the folk here is, will disabling the entries in /etc/X11/XftConfig that are mentioned as a solution to the Opera seg faults cause any adverse effects to my system in general? I'm reluctant to alter system files. I guess I could just try commenting out the entries and see what happens, and if it causes anything undesireable to occur, just uncomment. I trust the advice of the people here, and would like feedback on this. TIA for any help. --Angus ** Thanks for your reply Derek. I tried commenting out the lines as outlined here: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?s=threadid=6395 but to no avail in my case I'm afraid. I can avoid seg faults and the resulting crash in my situation, but I would like to know what is causing them. All I have to do to get Opera to seg fault and crash is to open the browser set to my home page of google.com, and then close the page with the close button. That causes Opera to immediately seg fault and crash! I don't have any other crashes in normal use. It's pretty strange. Also, I cannot get Opera 6.1 shared qt to display flash. I can get the static qt version to use flash however. :-/ I also have font problems with the static version, so I am presently using the shared qt. Great fonts. I posted these problems on the opera-linux list, but have not had any forthcoming solutions. Apparently the flash thing is due to an Opera glitch in the shared qt version I'm using. Opera people tell me they can't reproduce the seg faulting that I'm noting. I agree with your observations as to Opera should get their manure straightened out if they want to retain the Linux community. Having said that though, I must add that in spite of the problems, I'm still using Opera. I am on a dialup, and Opera is just plain a lot faster than any other browser I've tried thus far. And it has a bunch of great features too. I got hooked on Opera under MS, and just continue with it under Linux. If it would only perform as good w/Linux as it does w/MS... Maybe the next release? All the best. :-) --Angus An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. -- ___ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera seg fault solution
SNIP I agree with your observations as to Opera should get their manure straightened out if they want to retain the Linux community. Having said that though, I must add that in spite of the problems, I'm still using Opera. I am on a dialup, and Opera is just plain a lot faster than any other browser I've tried thus far. And it has a bunch of great features too. I got hooked on Opera under MS, and just continue with it under Linux. If it would only perform as good w/Linux as it does w/MS... Maybe the next release? All the best. :-) --Angus An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing. I am sticking with Opera 6.03 for the moment. 6.1 just seems too flaky. The fonts look great on some pages, and terrible on others, and the darned thing keeps segfaulting. However the features that keep me using Opera are the 'Windows in Window' (as opposed to Tabbed browsing as in mozilla), and the mouse gestures. (galeon has gestures too, but I find Opera's a lot nicer to use.). Oh and it is really fast. Especially on my deadly slow 233Mhz laptop. But for people looking for a fast browser phoenix is worth looking at. http://mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/ It has the standards compliance of mozilla with a speed comparable to Opera derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Opera 7 beta email client ... very interesting!
Apropos a previous discussion, this is only on Windows for the moment, but they've done the near-impossible and produced an email client with new and very powerful handling. The concept is that you receive your email as usual but have both predefined and user-defined views. The email is visible within each view for which the email matches the view criteria, and deleting one instance of the email deletes all instances. So, if you received a signed email from this mailing list from Fred Bloggs, you could see it in folders: Mailing lists: newbie.linux-mandrake.com (automatically derived) Attachments: Signatures (automatically derived) Received: From Fred (user-defined) and any other folders whose view criteria it matched. This, in effect storing each email as a record in a database with the folders as query-views on that database, is a very powerful technique once you get used to it (it is hard to get to grips with at first because the model is so different from the usual filter-the-email-into-one-folder) and I have a funny feeling it will catch on and be widely stolen :) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] opera 6 and java
I have java installed. I included path for plugins in opera. still no jre report i get. I didn't find any option in preferences for showing java path. How to make it recognize java -- L.V.Gandhi 203, Soundaryalahari Apartments, Lawsons Bay colony, Visakhapatnam, 530017 MECON, 5th Floor, RTC Complex, Visakhapatnam AP 530020 INDIA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] opera 6 and java
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:52:14 +0530 L.V.Gandhi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have java installed. I included path for plugins in opera. still no jre report i get. I didn't find any option in preferences for showing java path. How to make it recognize java first, go to the plug-in page in the configuration, and then: can you that window inside of which you can specify paths for Opera to find plug-ins? you can open it up pushing the 'modify path' button. well, inside of that, click on 'add' and the path to your jre's _netscape 4_ plugin. ( not java main executable, you have to find a ns4 directory somewhere. that's what you are looking for ) for example, i use jre1.4.1 and my path for Opera's plugin is this: /usr/java/j2re1.4.1/plugin/i386/ns4/ after that, close all instances of Opera and restart. HTH Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Opera 6.02 and Java
Hi, I have a strange problem. Java has stopped working suddenly in Opera 6.02. It was working perfectly before and it is working perfectly in other browsers (Konqueror and Mozilla). I have j2re-1.4.0 installed correctly. What happens when I try to load a page that has java is this: the Java Console window opens and, on the page, I get the usual Loading class something message, but the class never gets loaded. Does anyone know what could be wrong? I have tried removing Opera and re-installing it, and also hitting Find Plug-ins in Preferences again (the plug-in path is set correctly). Thanks in advance, -- Guilherme Cirne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 6.02 and Java
On Tue, 2002-07-09 at 11:12, Guilherme Cirne wrote: Hi, I have a strange problem. Java has stopped working suddenly in Opera 6.02. It was working perfectly before and it is working perfectly in other browsers (Konqueror and Mozilla). I have j2re-1.4.0 installed correctly. What happens when I try to load a page that has java is this: the Java Console window opens and, on the page, I get the usual Loading class something message, but the class never gets loaded. Does anyone know what could be wrong? I have tried removing Opera and re-installing it, and also hitting Find Plug-ins in Preferences again (the plug-in path is set correctly). I've had this problem with Java in Opera since 6.0 came out. I've since switched to Netscape 6.0 and everything works just fine, albeit a little slower. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 6.02 and Java
On Tuesday 09 Jul 2002 4:12 pm, Guilherme Cirne wrote: Hi, I have a strange problem. Java has stopped working suddenly in Opera 6.02. It was working perfectly before and it is working perfectly in other browsers (Konqueror and Mozilla). I have j2re-1.4.0 installed correctly. What happens when I try to load a page that has java is this: the Java Console window opens and, on the page, I get the usual Loading class something message, but the class never gets loaded. Does anyone know what could be wrong? I have tried removing Opera and re-installing it, and also hitting Find Plug-ins in Preferences again (the plug-in path is set correctly). Thanks in advance, Yes I've seen this one before, mostly in the beta versions of 6.0 Opera requires that one of the plugin paths should point directly at the java directory e.g. /usr/lib/jre-1.4.0/plugin/i386/ns4/ in the beta this had to be the first path in the list, but I think that is no longer required. It may also be a good idea to make sure you have a symlink /usr/bin/java pointing to the java executable. I cannot remember if Opera needs it, but lots of other applications do. (Like Limewire) If still no good the newsgroup opera.linux ought to be able to help. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 6.02 and Java
On Tuesday 09 July 2002 13:09, you wrote: On Tuesday 09 Jul 2002 4:12 pm, Guilherme Cirne wrote: Hi, I have a strange problem. Java has stopped working suddenly in Opera 6.02. It was working perfectly before and it is working perfectly in other browsers (Konqueror and Mozilla). I have j2re-1.4.0 installed correctly. What happens when I try to load a page that has java is this: the Java Console window opens and, on the page, I get the usual Loading class something message, but the class never gets loaded. Does anyone know what could be wrong? I have tried removing Opera and re-installing it, and also hitting Find Plug-ins in Preferences again (the plug-in path is set correctly). Thanks in advance, Yes I've seen this one before, mostly in the beta versions of 6.0 Opera requires that one of the plugin paths should point directly at the java directory e.g. /usr/lib/jre-1.4.0/plugin/i386/ns4/ in the beta this had to be the first path in the list, but I think that is no longer required. It may also be a good idea to make sure you have a symlink /usr/bin/java pointing to the java executable. I cannot remember if Opera needs it, but lots of other applications do. (Like Limewire) If still no good the newsgroup opera.linux ought to be able to help. derek I have one of the plug-in paths pointing to /usr/lib/jre-1.4.0/plugin/i386/ns4/ and also have symlinked /usr/bin/java to the executable. But thanks for the help anyway. I'm going to try opera.linux. -- Guilherme Cirne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Opera 6.0 doesn't load any page
Hi all, Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this. I installed the latest opera 6.0 in mdk 8.2 but it doesn't load any page. I tried both types of packages, with qt static and shared and the result is the same, it hangs with looking up host name ... and never contacts any host name. It worked fine in mdk8.1, does anyone know what is wrong ? The other browsers I have here are working without any problems. Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 6.0 doesn't load any page
Opera 6 shared works great for me, but I have read of some users who have to enable 'Synchronous DNS' in the preferences. HTH derek On Sunday 26 May 2002 3:19 pm, you wrote: Hi all, Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this. I installed the latest opera 6.0 in mdk 8.2 but it doesn't load any page. I tried both types of packages, with qt static and shared and the result is the same, it hangs with looking up host name ... and never contacts any host name. It worked fine in mdk8.1, does anyone know what is wrong ? The other browsers I have here are working without any problems. Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 6.0 doesn't load any page
On Sunday 26 May 2002 11:57, you wrote: Thanks a lot !!! That solved the problem ! Rodrigo Opera 6 shared works great for me, but I have read of some users who have to enable 'Synchronous DNS' in the preferences. HTH derek On Sunday 26 May 2002 3:19 pm, you wrote: Hi all, Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this. I installed the latest opera 6.0 in mdk 8.2 but it doesn't load any page. I tried both types of packages, with qt static and shared and the result is the same, it hangs with looking up host name ... and never contacts any host name. It worked fine in mdk8.1, does anyone know what is wrong ? The other browsers I have here are working without any problems. Thanks in advance, Rodrigo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 6.0 doesn't load any page
Es Diumenge 26 Maig 2002 16:19, en Rodrigo va escriure: Hi all, Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this. I installed the latest opera 6.0 in mdk 8.2 but it doesn't load any page. I tried both types of packages, with qt static and shared and the result is the same, it hangs with looking up host name ... and never contacts any host name. It worked fine in mdk8.1, does anyone know what is wrong ? Try setting File - Preferences - Network - Synchronous DNS -- Joan Tur. Eivissa-Balears AOL quini2k ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Wednesday 15 May 2002 09:19 am, Rich wrote: Opera is my favorite browser, but since installing Mandrake 8.2, it won't work. I downloaded the latest version of Opera 6.0, but still no luck. It opens and then freezes while trying to contact the home page. Any ideas? Rich Well, mine did that since about opera's beta (or rc) 2. Found out that checking Synchronous DNS in preferences network fixed mine. hth, -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera
On Wed, 2002-05-15 at 16:20, s wrote: On Wednesday 15 May 2002 09:19 am, Rich wrote: Opera is my favorite browser, but since installing Mandrake 8.2, it won't work. I downloaded the latest version of Opera 6.0, but still no luck. It opens and then freezes while trying to contact the home page. Any ideas? Rich Well, mine did that since about opera's beta (or rc) 2. Found out that checking Synchronous DNS in preferences network fixed mine. Hey, that worked for me too, thanks. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera Location Bar
Timothy J. Ryan wrote: Does anyone know how to change this list to DIGEST mode? IM getting flooded w/ email. Thanks. Timothy James (T.J.) Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 8:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Opera Location Bar On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:31:22 -0500, Donald E Gulmire Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using Opera for a browser. I have looked in several places, including the Opera site for information on how to clear the location bar. Could someone please enlighten me. Thanks in advance! Have you tried 'Ctrl+U'? I don't have Opera installed ATM, so I can't check if this works. It should, since it is a standard keybinding for BASH, and by extension for GTK+ and QT. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan My girlfriend always laughs during sex - no matter what she's reading. -- Steve Jobs _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I believe this was addressed, and what deemed unfeasible. Femme -- Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera in spanish?
Es Wed 06 Feb 2002 02:03, en Pascal Goguey va escriure: Does any of you have opera (5, 5.05TP1 or 6TP3) running in spanish language? Opera in Spanish is quite rare. Most of the Operas I know of are in Italian or German. Bad luck... i'll have to use NS4 (using MDK7.2 because of slow machine)... And Opera doesn't answer... Opera never answers. It just puts you under hypnosis until the curtain closes. What a shame... because the program is superb! ;) -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain Yahoo AOL quini2k ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera in spanish?
At 08:07 PM 2/5/02 +0100, you wrote: Does any of you have opera (5, 5.05TP1 or 6TP3) running in spanish language? And Opera doesn't answer... Well, you might want to join the opera users mailing list and ask there? I know I've been using opera for a while now (although with Win versions) off and on, and almost exclusively since ver.6 came out. The users list has never failed to be helpful. There is at least one Opera company person (Sue Sims? maybe others too?) that replies to questions on the list. Here's the link to sign up if you need it: http://web.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-users Check the following list for a Linux specific list, too. I'm not signed up with this one so I can't tell how helpful this one can be. http://web.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linux Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera in spanish?
Go here to download the full Opera version 5.12, with or without java as you prefer: http://www.opera.com/download/ you'll have to change to the linux version. or http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?custom=yesopsys=4language=5version=32 the version 6 is well along. I use it under windows; trying to get mdk81 going. Then go here to get the language file, following instructions to install: http://www.opera.com/download/lng/ow512_932es.lng ( chao, Richard Holt. Le 02.2.6 à 4:07, Joan Tur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) écrivit: Hallo! Does any of you have opera (5, 5.05TP1 or 6TP3) running in spanish language? Opera in Spanish is quite rare. Most of the Operas I know of are in Italian or German. And Opera doesn't answer... Opera never answers. It just puts you under hypnosis until the curtain closes. Thanks! Pascal Attachments: message.footer GO-TRO,ca Instrumentación, 011-58-265-641-0003, fax.641-3457 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera in spanish?
Thanks. I've signed up for both... Es Wed 06 Feb 2002 16:07, en Chuck Henson va escriure: At 08:07 PM 2/5/02 +0100, you wrote: Does any of you have opera (5, 5.05TP1 or 6TP3) running in spanish language? And Opera doesn't answer... Well, you might want to join the opera users mailing list and ask there? I know I've been using opera for a while now (although with Win versions) off and on, and almost exclusively since ver.6 came out. The users list has never failed to be helpful. There is at least one Opera company person (Sue Sims? maybe others too?) that replies to questions on the list. Here's the link to sign up if you need it: http://web.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-users Check the following list for a Linux specific list, too. I'm not signed up with this one so I can't tell how helpful this one can be. http://web.opera.com/mailman/listinfo/opera-linux -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain Yahoo AOL quini2k ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera in spanish?
Es Wed 06 Feb 2002 18:07, en Richard Holt va escriure: Go here to download the full Opera version 5.12, with or without java as you prefer: http://www.opera.com/download/ you'll have to change to the linux version. or http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?custom=yesopsys=4language=5version= 32 the version 6 is well along. I use it under windows; trying to get mdk81 going. No luck. There's v.5, v.5.05TP1 and v.6TP3. I haven't been able to make any of these use spanish language file... Thanks. Then go here to get the language file, following instructions to install: http://www.opera.com/download/lng/ow512_932es.lng ( chao, Richard Holt. Le 02.2.6 à 4:07, Joan Tur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) écrivit: Hallo! Does any of you have opera (5, 5.05TP1 or 6TP3) running in spanish language? Opera in Spanish is quite rare. Most of the Operas I know of are in Italian or German. And Opera doesn't answer... Opera never answers. It just puts you under hypnosis until the curtain closes. Thanks! Pascal Attachments: message.footer GO-TRO,ca Instrumentación, 011-58-265-641-0003, fax.641-3457 -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain Yahoo AOL quini2k ICQ 11407395 www.ClubIbosim.org Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera in spanish?
Le 02.2.6 à 4:07, Joan Tur ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) écrivit: Hallo! Does any of you have opera (5, 5.05TP1 or 6TP3) running in spanish language? Opera in Spanish is quite rare. Most of the Operas I know of are in Italian or German. And Opera doesn't answer... Opera never answers. It just puts you under hypnosis until the curtain closes. Thanks! Pascal Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Opera 6.0
On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:40:41 +, Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While plugger was busy being updated to work with Opera5.0, the good people from Norway released Opera6.0TP2 which seems to work OK with the old plugger 3.3 Since Opera6.0 has a ***much*** better feature set than 5.0, I would recommend downloading it. It is a 'beta' version, and does crash now and again, but it's so nice it is worth it IMO. I am using Opera 6.0 TP2 since a while and it is indeed very good. I just can't figure out how to activate Java support in there. In the support pages there's a mention of setting it on in the preferences, but I can't find it there. Have I gone dyslexic? Does anyone know what to do to Java with Opera? Paul -- Examine the contents, not the bottle. -The Talmud http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.5 claws Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera 6.0
On 1/5/2002 Paul wrote: I am using Opera 6.0 TP2 since a while and it is indeed very good. I just can't figure out how to activate Java support in there. In the support pages there's a mention of setting it on in the preferences, but I can't find it there. Have I gone dyslexic? Does anyone know what to do to Java with Opera? Under Preferences (Alt-P), Multimedia, Media Types, Enable Java. I assume you downloaded the version with Java, as Opera offers versions with and without. HTH, Todd -- Todd Slater mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.toddslater.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Opera segmentation fault
The static version has the required QT libraries built into the Opera package. The dynamic version relies on a separately-installed QT package. This makes the download smaller, but dependent on the strengths/weaknesses (compared to the static build) of your installed version of QT. On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:26, Juan Carlos wrote: What is the difference between the dynamic and static versions of Opera? On Fri 29 Jun 2001 23:21, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: What version of QT do you have running? The latest is 2.3.1 -- I suggest you get that from a Cooker mirror near you (don't worry, if anything it should be even more stable and usable than the one you have now). Also, try the static version of Opera. On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:05, Siro Belza wrote: Hi, I have downloaded and installed the package opera-dynamic-rh71-5.0-3.i386.rpm from Opera's website. When I try to run opera, the program aborts with a segmentation fault error. Has someone had the same problem? Does someone know what the problem is? Sirocco -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Opera segmentation fault
It was Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:21:08 +1000 when Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: What version of QT do you have running? The latest is 2.3.1 -- I suggest you get that from a Cooker mirror near you (don't worry, if anything it should be even more stable and usable than the one you have now). Also, try the static version of Opera. Absolutely. I always get the static version. Never failed to work for me. Paul -- I prefer rogues to imbeciles, because they sometimes take a rest. -Alexandre Dumas (fils) http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.4.99 ** http://www.care2.com - when you care **
Re: [newbie] Opera (was Netscape 6)
At 09.11 29/06/01, you wrote: (Of course I must say that for the record, konqueror is still my fav a You have got to try Opera. That is the creme-de-la-crop web browser for Linux. Opera is very good indeed. I use it as my default browser. But I do have to resort to Netscape for webmail on my ISP's system, Opera makes one mess of that. I also can do Internet Banking only with Netscape. Have not tried Galeon or Mozilla for that though. But it is so, Opera 5.0 is dang good! Paul Always remember to report bugs: it is the only way to have a better browser in future! Olaf
Re: [newbie] Opera segmentation fault
What version of QT do you have running? The latest is 2.3.1 -- I suggest you get that from a Cooker mirror near you (don't worry, if anything it should be even more stable and usable than the one you have now). Also, try the static version of Opera. On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 14:05, Siro Belza wrote: Hi, I have downloaded and installed the package opera-dynamic-rh71-5.0-3.i386.rpm from Opera's website. When I try to run opera, the program aborts with a segmentation fault error. Has someone had the same problem? Does someone know what the problem is? Sirocco -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
[newbie] Opera 5
Hi all, Don't know if I am extremely late, but I just got Opera 5.0 It's pretty good as a browser. Paul -- Ask not for whom the telephone bell tolls... if thou art in the bathtub, it tolls for thee. http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 7.2 - Sylpheed 0.4.66
Re: [newbie] Opera for Linux
On Sunday 17 December 2000 04:31, you wrote: I bet you money that Java will be implemented for the final version... It already is in the windows version, plus it went semi free, you have a choice of sponsored mode (with ads) or pay. -- Alex (Go easy on me, I'm a COBOL programmer in real life)
Re: [newbie] Opera for Linux
jiten wrote: i installed it yesterday on my mandrake7.2 system. there was two versions(static and dynmic) . i chosen the static one. but it is giving segmentation fault. anybody else having sucess please let me know. thanx jiten On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Jay wrote: Just letting you know that Opera beta 4 is out for Linux. http://www.opera.com/linux/ -- Jay ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~ http://www.mrsnooky.com You need to know whether or not you have Qt 2.2 installed. If you don't have it you need to download the appropriate Opera package. I have it working and I must say that I love it! Then again, I have been a faithful Opera user since the days of old. -- Jay ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~ http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] Opera for Linux
Yeah, it's a fast sucker ain't it? I use Konqueror most of the time, but I think Opera is faster, I just don't like the cookie options as well as Konquerors. I wish they would add a per cookie/occurence choice. If it weren't for that I would probably buy user's rights to it. (I still might). -s On Saturday 16 December 2000 09:08, you wrote: You need to know whether or not you have Qt 2.2 installed. If you don't have it you need to download the appropriate Opera package. I have it working and I must say that I love it! Then again, I have been a faithful Opera user since the days of old.
[newbie] Opera for Linux
Just letting you know that Opera beta 4 is out for Linux. http://www.opera.com/linux/ -- Jay ~May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend~ http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] Opera Beta
I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the bookmarks. I've found the operation of Mozilla M18 to be pretty fair considering that it's not a finished product yet. As far as performance goes it's almost as fast and stable as Netscape 4.75. While it still doesn't handle Java yet it is far less of a resource hog than it had been just a few weeks ago. You can really tell the difference from M17 to M18. The amount of memory that it takes to start and run M18 has been reduced dramatically. I'm really looking forward to seeing what Mozilla looks like once the project is finished. I suspect that if the developers continue on the same road they're currently on and at their present pace Mozilla will be much faster and lighter than Netscape has been in a long time. Bookmarks??? I thought they handled just fine. When I'm cleaning them up and placing them in seperate folders I usually just cut and paste them from one place to another. That's the same as I've always done with them though. If I understand what you're saying it sounds a lot like the way IE4 and IE5 handle bookmarks. -- Mark /* I never worry about the to-jams. * Once I've stuck my foot in my mouth * it's already too late...just make sure * you chew them thoroughly before swallowing! */ Registered Linux user #182496 * Pine 4.21 * On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:33pm ,Larry Marshall spake passionately in a message: Gecko engine. Personlly I'm going to by-pass Netscape 6 all togther and when MoZilla is ready I'm going to use it. It's much nicer than Netscape 4.7x and superior to Netscape 6. They're using the same base code but the Mark...maybe I've got blinders on but what is "much nicer than Netscape 4.7x"? To me it seems JUST like Netscape in function. Speaking of which, is it just my lack of imagination or has Mozilla gone backwards in how it lets you handle getting a new URL into your bookmarks? Like Nutscape you can't change the name of it but unlike Nutscape it doesn't seem to even let you target a folder to hold it. Am I missing something? I have to agree with you about Opera though. It's clear that it's an early beta and not a tool to depend on yet. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Opera Beta
Bookmarks??? I thought they handled just fine. When I'm cleaning them up and placing them in seperate folders I usually just cut and paste them from one place to another. That's the same as I've always done with them Two things here Mark. First, I wrote that before I figured out that I can simply drag a URL from the URL window into any folder I want if I open the bookmark list in the tab bar. Read a msg today that says that right now you can't do that with the pulldown list but that you will ultimately be able to. though. If I understand what you're saying it sounds a lot like the way IE4 and IE5 handle bookmarks. Not at all. With IE you can not only choose what folder to put it in, you can see what got picked up from the html title block and change it if you want. All that cutting and pasting you're doing would drive me nuts. Too many bookmarks I suppose. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Opera Beta
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, you wrote: I understand that Opera has released the beta of version 4.0. If you're braver than I am, you may wish to give it a try. If so, keep us posted. -- Carroll (not a Netscape fan) Is there anyone who's a Netscape fan (grin)? It still holds the title as being the only application capable of crashing my Linux system and it kills itself on a regular basis. What are the smart people using? While I haven't gotten Opera's rpms to open up, finding out that it's not an open source product has cooled my thoughts of using it. Is there life without Nutscape? Cheers --- Larry -- Just forget about the Opera browser not being Open Source. The fact is that this is one helluva browser. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] Opera Beta
On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, you wrote: Just to add my two-pennies worth to the thread. I use netscape all the time and it has never crashed yet, quite something when you read some of the complaints on here. Also as I use to have 24 hours online connection for free and it worked perfectly thoughout hours of use, it is really weird to here of all the slating. Andrew -- What type of drugs are you on and how did you get them?! :) Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
Re: [newbie] Opera Beta
Jay wrote: On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, you wrote: Just to add my two-pennies worth to the thread. I use netscape all the time and it has never crashed yet, quite something when you read some of the complaints on here. Also as I use to have 24 hours online connection for free and it worked perfectly thoughout hours of use, it is really weird to here of all the slating. Andrew -- What type of drugs are you on and how did you get them?! :) Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com This is odd. I don't run my machine 24/7, and I do use Netscape to check my mail with...but...I have had an odd/occasional "crash". The crashes are usually when I first start it up, I get a partial screen, and have to use Xkill on it. I've also been online, and had it quit/exit spontaneously back to my KDE desktop, but again...just rarely. I've *never* had it crash, and take down my whole system. Strange how mileage varies from user to user, eh? ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/
Re: [newbie] Opera web browser
Dennis Myers escribió: Well, I don't understand the problem, cause everything mentioned on the list here I have checked or tried and I still get the different architecture message with the rpm Since you've got an executable in the tarball in my opinion it's not very important... i just hate to compile a package because if i later don't want it in my system it's harder to remove ;-) -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de Club.Ibosim.pagina.de Linux: usuari registrat 190.783
Re: [newbie] Opera web browser
"D.M. Mattix (Mike)" escribió: use the uname command 'uname -m' . This will give you the machine hardware type. I got the same message also and also had the tarball install with no problem. I do not know the details of rpm building but I wonder if you can build one that checks the machine hardware type and not install if it is not what is is looking for (Mine BTW is i686 and the package would not install with rpm v3.0.4) #uname -m Linux QuiniPC.Quini 2.2.16-9mdk #1 sáb oct 7 18:44:46 CEST 2000 i586 unknown It's a K6-III-400... and it detects it fine when booting 8-? -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de Club.Ibosim.pagina.de Linux: usuari registrat 190.783
Re: [newbie] Opera web browser
Since you've got an executable in the tarball in my opinion it's not very important... i just hate to compile a package because if i later don't want it in my system it's harder to remove ;-) This is exactly why I prefer tarballs. I open and compile them in a directory in my local user space. I can generally execute it from there as well. This approach serves two purposes for me. First, I can quickly look at something and then just delete the directory. Also, for small utility programs I just move them to "mybin" which is on my path and when I upgrade the OS they're not eliminated even if I do a clean install. Cheers --- Larry
Re: [newbie] Opera Beta
Original Message On 10/14/00, 6:02:27 AM, Larry Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Opera Beta: Is there anyone who's a Netscape fan (grin)? It still holds the title as being the only application capable of crashing my Linux system and it kills itself on a regular basis. What are the smart people using? While I haven't gotten Opera's rpms to open up, finding out that it's not an open source product has cooled my thoughts of using it. Is there life without Nutscape? Cheers --- Larry Just back from a mini-vacation and muddling through tons of email giggle and felt the need to answer this. I guess you could say that I am a Netscape fan -- I use Netscape 4.75 with Mandrake 7.1 on a DSL (yes I have an excellent firewall ;-) ) and only when I am doing about 10,000 things at once does it freeze up on me and not nearly as often as when I used it on Windoze. I work from home for a dot com company and having a good browser is essential -- unfortunately I can only use Netscape or IE when accessing them to enter my info so I am kind of stuck -- Mozilla didn't work with them and I haven't tried Opera yet but am certainly willing to give it a try. I also use the Star Office browser which is pretty good too -- not for work sigh but for my browsing needs. Have a wonderful day :-) Patti -- Registered Linux user #186411
Re: [newbie] Opera web browser
On Sun, 15 Oct 2000, Joan Tur wrote: Dennis Myers escribió: Well, I don't understand the problem, cause everything mentioned on the list here I have checked or tried and I still get the different architecture message with the rpm Since you've got an executable in the tarball in my opinion it's not very important... i just hate to compile a package because if i later don't want it in my system it's harder to remove ;-) -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de Club.Ibosim.pagina.de Linux: usuari registrat 190.783 Luckily from what I could see it just sets up an application. The litter seems to be limited to the README, LICENSE, install.sh, and the application. -- D.M.(Mike) Mattix [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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and felt the need to answer this. I guess you could say that I am a Netscape fan -- I use Netscape 4.75 with Mandrake 7.1 on a DSL (yes I have an Did you find the 4.73 -4.75 upgrade to be worth the effort? excellent firewall ;-) ) and only when I am doing about 10,000 things at once does it freeze up on me and not nearly as often as when I used it on Windoze. Well...when the operating system helps :-) my info so I am kind of stuck -- Mozilla didn't work with them and I haven't I've been using Mozilla M18 tonight and while it hasn't crashed, it's a bit sluggish at times. Haven't played with it enough to evaluate yet. It certainly looks like it's got potential but it also shows its Netscape roots. Whether that's good or bad is a personal thing I suppose. tried Opera yet but am certainly willing to give it a try. Well...I'm in love with the way Opera lets me manage/access bookmarks. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to wait until it gets a bit farther into the beta stream as it dies (gracefully) WAY too often and some things just don't seem to work as they obviously should. Lots of potential here though. I also use the Star Office browser which is pretty good too -- not for work sigh but for my browsing needs. that I never did. I was so discouraged by the _do it all in one place_ "feature" of Star Office that I've dumped it. Have a wonderful day :-) You too Patti...welcome back. Cheers --- Larry
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Gecko engine. Personlly I'm going to by-pass Netscape 6 all togther and when MoZilla is ready I'm going to use it. It's much nicer than Netscape 4.7x and superior to Netscape 6. They're using the same base code but the Mark...maybe I've got blinders on but what is "much nicer than Netscape 4.7x"? To me it seems JUST like Netscape in function. Speaking of which, is it just my lack of imagination or has Mozilla gone backwards in how it lets you handle getting a new URL into your bookmarks? Like Nutscape you can't change the name of it but unlike Nutscape it doesn't seem to even let you target a folder to hold it. Am I missing something? I have to agree with you about Opera though. It's clear that it's an early beta and not a tool to depend on yet. Cheers --- Larry
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:) yes Larry, as a matter of fact there is life after Nutscrape. It's called Mozilla. However, until Mozilla is completely finished you might want to try getting the tarball of Opera 4b. all it is is a binary inside the tarball. Completely standalone and you can run it from your home dir, or anywhere else for that matter. I seem to be doing a blitzkreig look at browsers this weekend. Opera is fantastic when it's working but it disappears on me so often that I can't rely on it. I've got M18 running and it seems to work pretty well (better than I thought it would as a beta). As you described once, it's a bit sluggish as one expects of developer code but it seems to work well. I've had it glitch here and there but as you say, it's worth keeping an eye on it. Cheers --- Larry
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, you wrote: Good evening: I understand that Opera has released the beta of version 4.0. If you're braver than I am, you may wish to give it a try. If so, keep us posted. -- Carroll (not a Netscape fan) -- I have used Opera on Windows since 3.0. I love this browser! I have been waiting for the port to Linux for over a year now. Thank God it is coming, now I can stop using Netscape soon. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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It was Oct 14, 2000, 04:22, when Jay keyboarded: I understand that Opera has released the beta of version 4.0. If you're braver than I am, you may wish to give it a try. If so, keep us posted. -- Carroll (not a Netscape fan) -- I have used Opera on Windows since 3.0. I love this browser! I have been waiting for the port to Linux for over a year now. Thank God it is coming, now I can stop using Netscape soon. I just downloaded Opera 4b and installed it without a problem. It loads well and fast. After going through some pages, I think there is definitely a future for Opera with Linux :) Paul -- POSH MORTEM Death styles of the rich and famous. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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Hallo! I've read about it... where can i find the latest beta? Thanx! -- Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 11407395 Joan.Tur.pagina.de Club.Ibosim.pagina.de Linux: usuari registrat 190.783
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Well, there's Galeon, gnome browser which needs GTK and Mozilla M17+ to run. The only other option I can see if waiting for KDE2 and give Konqueror a try. I am pretty sure that Opera will be a pay for program. -- On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:02:27 Larry Marshall wrote: I understand that Opera has released the beta of version 4.0. If you're braver than I am, you may wish to give it a try. If so, keep us posted. -- Carroll (not a Netscape fan) Is there anyone who's a Netscape fan (grin)? It still holds the title as being the only application capable of crashing my Linux system and it kills itself on a regular basis. What are the smart people using? While I haven't gotten Opera's rpms to open up, finding out that it's not an open source product has cooled my thoughts of using it. Is there life without Nutscape? Cheers --- Larry Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, you wrote: I understand that Opera has released the beta of version 4.0. If you're braver than I am, you may wish to give it a try. If so, keep us posted. -- Carroll (not a Netscape fan) Is there anyone who's a Netscape fan (grin)? It still holds the title as being the only application capable of crashing my Linux system and it kills itself on a regular basis. What are the smart people using? While I haven't gotten Opera's rpms to open up, finding out that it's not an open source product has cooled my thoughts of using it. Is there life without Nutscape? Cheers --- Larry I think most of the "true" linux experts use the text browsers which coming from the gui world I find inadequate. I tried linux opera. It is very fast and looks terrific but still has problems. So I will wait for later versions. Jeff -- Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User 348854
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 04:22:51 -0400, you wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, you wrote: Good evening: I understand that Opera has released the beta of version 4.0. If you're braver than I am, you may wish to give it a try. If so, keep us posted. -- Carroll (not a Netscape fan) -- I have used Opera on Windows since 3.0. I love this browser! I have been waiting for the port to Linux for over a year now. Thank God it is coming, now I can stop using Netscape soon. I'm right there with you, Jay. I've used Opera since 3.4 something...don't remember what #exactly, but it was before 3.5 came out. And though I do understand it will have its detractors because of the open source thing, as well as the price tag thing (I heard $39 clams will be the ransom of this particular king) will turn off some Linux users, the bottom line to me is it works, and it works better than any other browser I've used. Once in a while I do run into something its not compatable with, but as far as I'm concerned, thats the only thing Netscape is for... peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 13:59:10 +0200, you wrote: Hallo! I've read about it... where can i find the latest beta? Thanx! http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html peace, Rog http://www.slammingrooves.com
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I just downloaded Opera 4b and installed it without a problem. It loads well and fast. After going through some pages, I think there is definitely a future for Opera with Linux :) I would agree Paul. I still can't figure out why the rpms I download fail but the tarfile installed without problem. I REALLY like the way Opera displays and manipulates bookmarks. The fact that it automatically loads Netscape and KDE bookmarks is a real bonus. The download transfer window is really nice as well. Download speeds (DSL) seem a wee bit better than Netcrash. It seemed to have no problems reading any of the pages (mostly Linux sites) that I went to. No evidence of the font problems I sometimes see with Netscape. The program does have some problems, however. In the hour or so that I have played with it it crashed twice, though it did so without affecting Linux which is a step up from Nutscape. One downside, however, is that it seems to save its settings only when you exit so a crash causes anything you've set up to be lost. Time will tell whether it replaces Netscape on my desktop but it's got a good chance. Cheers --- Larry
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Well, there's Galeon, gnome browser which needs GTK and Mozilla M17+ to run. The only other option I can see if waiting for KDE2 and give Konqueror a try. I am pretty sure that Opera will be a pay for program. My understanding (without any personal knowledge) is that Mozilla has its own growing pains right now. Cheers --- Larry
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I think most of the "true" linux experts use the text browsers which coming from the gui world I find inadequate. I tried linux opera. It is very fast and looks terrific but still has problems. So I will wait for later versions. You may be right but it would seem to my poorly informed view that the choices aren't GUI vs non-GUI as much as text-only vs text+graphics. Now there's not much point in searching online photo libraries using Lynx :-) I find using Lynx to be a ball as it's SOOOo quick. But all too much of the web is "lost" in the translation from what I can see. I agree about the Opera problems but once I figured out that I had to exit after making some setup changes, the problems don't seem any worse than what I experience with Netscape. This, of course, is said with one hour of experience with Opera and probably that much restarting Netscape :-) Cheers --- Larry
