Re: [newbie] Need to format new HD?
On Friday 28 March 2003 08:33 pm, Todd Slater wrote: I feel I should know this, but I don't. I just got a new HD that I'm going to install 9.1 on. Do I need to format it, or will the MDK install take care of everything for me? (This is going to be the primary drive.) Todd, You could format it before starting the install, but there is no point -- during the Mandrake install you will have the opportunity / requirement to divide it into partitions and then format those. Easiest to do it during the install. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CD Read errors
Good luck! I often have trouble with those high speed CDs -- one of the symptoms is that I hear them sort of cycle (either on and off or from a low speed to a high speed) -- I suspect that sometimes the software expecting to get something from the CDROM times out while the drive is accelerating to rated speed. Anyway, I've taken to stocking up on 4X or 8X drives when I see them cheap ($5 or less) at computer shows. Randy Kramer On Saturday 30 November 2002 11:24 pm, Michael Adams wrote: Exactly what i was after Randy. Teach me for thinking hdparm was for hard drives only. Am still getting grief from it though. At least i now have another avenue to explore. On Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:00, Randy Kramer wrote: hdparm will let you set a slower speed for the cdrom. See http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Hdparm. Unfortunately, hdparm did not seem to be installed by default in my Mandrake 8.2 or 9.0 installations, but I'm assuming it's available somewhere on the installation CDRoms (or from somewhere else). If you can improve the cited page in any way, please do! (After all, it is a wiki.) regards, Randy Kramer On Monday 25 November 2002 12:05 am, Michael Adams wrote: Following the First -Suspect Me Thread with interest. My Case... Brand new store bought V9.0 pre-installed computer. It has a 52x CD on hdb (fstab was set up for hdd but i corrected that). The supplied disks are recorded download edition 9.0 40x recordable. The disks have an envelope address size sticker plastered on them. The CD will read any package ok after repeated attempts. Which solutions will help reduce read errors the most. 1. Buy another IDE cable and put the CD on hdc. 2. Remove the stickers incase they are causing speed wobbles. 3. A software method of throttling back the top read speed. (Does this exist and what is it?) 4. Other suggestion...? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CD Read errors
hdparm will let you set a slower speed for the cdrom. See http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Hdparm. Unfortunately, hdparm did not seem to be installed by default in my Mandrake 8.2 or 9.0 installations, but I'm assuming it's available somewhere on the installation CDRoms (or from somewhere else). If you can improve the cited page in any way, please do! (After all, it is a wiki.) regards, Randy Kramer On Monday 25 November 2002 12:05 am, Michael Adams wrote: Following the First -Suspect Me Thread with interest. My Case... Brand new store bought V9.0 pre-installed computer. It has a 52x CD on hdb (fstab was set up for hdd but i corrected that). The supplied disks are recorded download edition 9.0 40x recordable. The disks have an envelope address size sticker plastered on them. The CD will read any package ok after repeated attempts. Which solutions will help reduce read errors the most. 1. Buy another IDE cable and put the CD on hdc. 2. Remove the stickers incase they are causing speed wobbles. 3. A software method of throttling back the top read speed. (Does this exist and what is it?) 4. Other suggestion...? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Time Synch -- alternate to rdate?
Thanks, Tom. I got that package (as source) somewhere on the net, and successfully compiled and installed it. Not the first time, maybe the third compile, but Linux is starting to make sense. -- Oops shouldn't have said that -- that's usually a hint for the gods to show me something else I don't understand. ;-) Randy Kramer On Friday 11 October 2002 09:58 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: rdate-1.2-1mdk I'm usin that on 9.0+ IIRC, I got it from /contrib, eg, 'urpmi rdate' from a cooker RPMS2/ source. alias tdate='rdate -p -s tick.uh.edu hwclock --systohc' Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Time Synch -- alternate to rdate?
Thanks derek, Sridhar, and Sevatio! Looks like ntpdate is not installed by default either (and the daemon is not running) so I'll need to install either ntpdate or rdate off the CDs. Should be no problem -- I've installed stuff before -- BTW: * My installation of Mandrake 9.0 went great (on two almost identical machines) and the most annoying bugs from Mozilla, konqueror, and kmail from 8.2 seem to have been solved! * I selected almost all the main packages (like Developer, Graphics Workstation, etc. -- I think the only exception was the server stuff), and then I specifically selected nedit, joe, and two other editors as individual packages -- I'm somewhat surprised a time synching utility was not included. (Aside, after I sent my first post I did a locate date | grep bin looking for evidence of a time synching utility -- didn't find anything.) Randy Kramer On Friday 11 October 2002 04:06 am, Derek Jennings wrote: Tip: Check the ntpd daemon is NOT running or else an ntpdate command will not work. derek On Friday 11 Oct 2002 4:02 am, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I use ntpdate, which I think is in the ntp or xntp package (I can't check right now). The command I use is: # ntpdate -b -s time.esec.com.au hwclock --systohc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Time Synch -- alternate to rdate?
Under Mandrake 7.2 I used rdate to synchronize my local clock to an accurate clock over the network, as follows: rdate -s clock-1.cs.cmu.edu hwclock --systohc rdate is apparently not installed by default in Mandrake 9.0, and apropos doesn't list any commands for time synching -- any suggestions? Thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Which journalized filesystem should I use in MDK 9.0
On Saturday 28 September 2002 11:45 am, robin wrote: Does any have any preferences to which journalized filesystem I should use in MDK 9.0. I am assuming there is still three to choose from. I'm trying to research which is best, but only finding older material. Does anyone have a preference? Why? Which filesystem is the default now? I want to map out my choices before I get there. Take a look at this page and see if it helps: http://www.twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxFilesystems If you (or anyone) can add to it (or correct anything) please do -- it is a wiki! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How to set Mozilla as the default browser in KDE (2.2.2 -- Mandrake 8.2)
Anybody know how to set Mozilla (or any other browser) as the default browser in KDE (2.2.2 -- Mandrake 8.2)? Thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Of coarse again... Mandrake downloads.
On Tuesday 27 August 2002 01:41 pm, you wrote: Hello, I know im starting to be a pain in the neck with this mandreka mirror/download thing. I have mirrors already in which i know is not the problem thats messing up my CD's. Number 1, I have a DSL connecton... not 56k, so i shouldnt get any line interference with my downloads right? No, you can get line interference on a DSL line as well. Could someone help me out, or tell me about a program that does downloads that makes sure the download is nice, clean, and not messed up? Please help... Once I get a good copy of mandrake... and install it, ill be on my way. I would consider rsync -- it will clean up one of your bad downloads and make it correct. See: * http://www.twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Rsync * http://www.twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/RsyncingALargeFile And links on those pages. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sharing Files, OT mail to list
Seth, Thanks very much! I'll try these out over the next several days (and check the man page for postqueue). Randy Kramer Seth Zirin wrote: Postfix now includes sendmail compatibility commands so you should be able to display all queued mail with the simple command mailq. You can get a similar display with the command /usr/sbin/postqueue -p. --snip-- The sendmail -q command likely does a /usr/sbin/postqueue -f to flush the mail queue. I don't know whether this will retry mail that previously failed delivery before the retry time is reached - it may not. The command /usr/sbin/postqueue -s site does look like it would immediately send all mail queued for the specified site, but it does require some configuration to use. Check the man page for postqueue(1) for more information. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sharing Files, OT mail to list
Seth Zirin wrote: [2] Install the Bind package and setup a caching DNS. This will enable your system to cache DNS information for the sites and addresses that you use frequently. Bind automatically updates stale DNS info so there is no problem with out of date address translations. The caching DNS may allow your outgoing mail to flow better during large downloads because it eliminates most of the DNS queries. It will also speed up general web surfing since many DNS lookups will be done locally instead of through remote servers. The benefit with a low-speed dial-up line is usually quite dramatic. Thanks for this, also! What you stated (It will also speed up general web surfing since many DNS lookups will be done locally instead of through remote servers) is what I heard about a caching DNS. Then, IIRC, I heard (read) some people state that maintaining a caching DNS over a dial up line is not a good idea -- I guess because of the traffic needed to update the caching DNS. Can you (anyone) lend any insight into the tradeoffs involved, and when it makes sense and when it doesn't? Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard Drive Geometries
Sharrea wrote: I don't understand why BIOS, hdparm and fdisk all report different geometries. Also, as a result RedHat 7.3 can't read the partn table for hda so I can't install without wiping the drive clean. Any help would be much appreciated. I can't recite the details, but a disk can be formatted with different geometries. (I don't know if that was what I meant to say.) Try again: In some programs (fdisk, partition commnder, bios ) I have seen more than one geometry reported for the same hard disk. (AHH, IIRC, it was in the bios.) Although there was a mechanism to choose any one of them, if I chose the wrong one the disk was unreadable. Maybe someone else can provide more insight on this. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sharing Files, OT mail to list
et wrote: I have even found that Kmail will hold my outgoing mail for some long time if my connection to the internet is busy, for example, I now have 3 mails in my outbox waiting (and telling me no host to be found) while I download beta3 iso1. since it's dialup, it take a cople of days to get an ISO, so unless I stop the download and let the mail go, it might take all day b4 they get sent. I'm curious -- are you using a local email server (like postfix) or is kmail configured to send mail direct to your isp (via smtp). IIUC, a way to tell is to check your kmail configuration -- is it set to use smtp to your ISP? (Reason I ask is that I know postfix (and most other email servers) will hold mail for an exponential delay after a failed attempt to send. But, I guess the email would be gone from your outbox in any case -- it might just come back in 5 days and say failed to deliver after 5 days (approximately).) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Sharing Files, OT mail to list
Thanks! Randy Kramer et wrote: I believe what Ed is referring to is that so much of his current bandwidth is being used by the d/l, that the connection to his ISP's mail server times out (eg, no host...), and Kmail just keeps the post(s) stored in the Outbox folder. I run into this all the time with my 56k dialup while I've got d/l's going. Two solutions, keep trying until the send finally succeeds, or use a d/l manager like Downloader for X (d4x) which allows you to 'throttle' down your d/l speed till while you're tryin to send/get mail. One of the main reasons I like d4x so much ;) you are absolutly correct , sir, and I will be checking out d4x for disk 2... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Modem help
et wrote: AOL does not do linux, as I recall. Well, it depends what you want to do -- you can certainly send and receive email on Linux via AOL. (Don't know the details of how, but know a few people who do it.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] How to Create and Use Additional IMAP Folders?
(Hope this is not a duplicate -- I tried sending it from Mozilla on Linux (my first try) and it didn't seem to go, nor a subsequent test mail to myself, so I'm remailing from Windows. There are a few slight changes from the original, enclosed in asterisks. (PS: My mail server definitely works, I can send mail from another Linux box via Pine -- I just apparently don't have Mozilla on the other box set up correctly.) Questions: * How do I create additional IMAP folders and make them visible from another computer running an IMAP mail client? (See Background below *and note that I can see the inbox (under /var/spool/mail/dad) on the email server*.) * Anybody know of a good concise reference on IMAP, especially one that might touch on the above? Background: I've got a local email server running (finally ;-) ), and am using procmail to do a few things, including filtering mail into different folders on the email server. (Under my user directory, /home/dad/mail.) I've tried a few different IMAP email clients (primarily from Mandrake 8.2 -- Mozilla 0.9.8, KMail, Sylpheed (well it never comes up) and Mohagany 0.64-2 on Windows) -- so far I can't see any of those other folders from a client computer. *I can see the inbox on the server from the client computer.* (I haven't tried an IMAP client on the server yet.) Is there something special I must do to make a folder visible to an IMAP client? What? Must the folders be below, for example, /var/spool/mail(/dad) instead of /home/dad/mail to be visible to IMAP? thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] install on Compaq Presario 1240
Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I hit retry or cancel, I'm asked which driver to try to gain scsi access. Any clues, or is this machine toast? This will sound like heresy, but why don't you try booting from the floppy with something like (MS-)Dos 5 or 6? Then try accessing the hard disk from dos. Then try accessing the cd-rom (although you'd need to install some drivers or something, like mscdex or whatever). At least this would give you some indication of hardware condition. sorry, ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Burn an iso to disk
Dennis Myers wrote: I have tried them all and now that I think about it, maybe the problem is that I downloaded an easycd creator file from one of the mirrors. No matter how I burn I still get a bunch of junk. That looks like this: That would be the problem -- an Easy CD Creator file or image is not an iso. But, I'm surprised a mirror has something like that. Interesting! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions
Derek Jennings wrote: On Friday 16 Aug 2002 3:04 am, Randy Kramer wrote: I was curious so I tried sending you mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- it basically bounced so I assume that is not a good Internet email address for you. (There was also a reference to spews, so possibly it is your address, but currently blacklisted?) I regularly receive mail via cwcom so your mail should have got through, but it looks as if cwcom have managed to get themselves onto a Spammers blacklist. Doh! Ok, and I now understand (not sure why I didn't earlier (when I tried it)) that the right reply address gets taken from the From: header which is set based on your email client. Some things are sinking in. ;-) regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting comparision.
frankie wrote: Its a shame Someone hasn't released a diff that works on a compiled binary.. Well, rsync can handle that, depending on how widespread the changes are. Try looking at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Rsync. Debian uses rsync as the primary method for downloading and updating the distro (IIUC). Mandrake would probably have to make some changes to use rsync instead of ftp (or whatever they do use) in their automatic update system, but it could be worth it to us (the downloaders). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness
Paul wrote: # ** mail ** # main account: daytime every 2 min 00-58/2 05-23 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null # main account: nighttime every 15 min 00-58/15 00-04 * * * $HOME/bin/stuur 1/dev/null Just a shot in the dark for kicks. (I'm not familiar with the stuur command -- is that a script or command that you wrote?) Anyway, is there any chance you are checking with something like fetchmail and it is running in a polling mode? Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness
Paul wrote: 'stuur' is dutch for 'send'. It is indeed a script. Ok, thanks! After sending out the mailq through postfix, 'stuur' invokes a script called cmail (see mail) which runs getmail (I prefer that to fetchmail). I don't use any automatic polling program. I handle that through cron. And getmail can't poll at intervals like fetchmail can? I doubt that the problem could be that I use 00, 04 and 05 instead of 0, 4 and 5 in the time descriptors??? I don't think so, but I am not an expert. I just took one shot in the dark ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Crontab weirdness
Paul wrote: No problem. Anything to teach you some dutch! ;-) Well, I do know a little bit of Pennsylvania dutch -- does that count? ;-) Kannst due micha funga? Nur wenn sie hugel bleibe ... (sort of a phonetic spelling) Indeed, it can't. Getmail is a python script that I use in a very specific setup. It cannot run in daemon mode. Thanks (for the info)! I'll shoot again tonight and see what gives. Thanks anyway!! Good luck! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions
I've got my email server nearly working (includes fetchmail, postfix, procmail, ipopd). ;-) Main Problem: I can't send email to myself. Sub Problem: My postfix logs don't seem to be running -- are there any simple traps I'm liable to have fallen into which stop the postfix logging mechanism? The logs I'm checking are the info, warnings, and errors logs in /var/log/mail. Postfix is still running, but nothing has appeared in these logs since mid afternoon yesterday. The messages in the info and warning logs concern an email message that had been sitting there for 13 days (which is of no concern as I was only experimenting at the time it was sent -- mail now seems to flow OK). Hmm, I wonder what I did about that time yesterday? Background (on not being able to send email to myself): (I was going to try to find something in the logs, but ...). Anyway: * I'm using postfix as the MTA, and most things seem to work. I've set relayhost to point to my ISP. My home network is private, and my machines are named like System8.Home (System8 is the host (machine) name), and Home is the domain (not fully qualified, and not registered). My user name on system8 is dad, so I set a canonical_map (two ways, i.e., for send and receive, IIUC) to map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other than that, my setup is fairly vanilla -- the only other parameters I've set are: * defer_transports=smtp * disable_dns_lookups=yes * canonical_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/canonical This is all on Mandrake 7.2 (actually the MandrakeFreq update). All the other settings are, IIRC, as they were upon installation. I do know that if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly to my ISP (not via my server) it goes to them and comes back later. If I send it via my server, it just seems to disappear (although I suppose it could be at my ISP, waiting to get a nondelivery notice after five days). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions
Oops, I probably should have mentioned that the problem occurs when I try to send mail to myself addressed as [EMAIL PROTECTED]. (I haven't tried addressing it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I will in case it provides a clue.) Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: I've got my email server nearly working (includes fetchmail, postfix, procmail, ipopd). ;-) Main Problem: I can't send email to myself. Sub Problem: My postfix logs don't seem to be running -- are there any simple traps I'm liable to have fallen into which stop the postfix logging mechanism? The logs I'm checking are the info, warnings, and errors logs in /var/log/mail. Postfix is still running, but nothing has appeared in these logs since mid afternoon yesterday. The messages in the info and warning logs concern an email message that had been sitting there for 13 days (which is of no concern as I was only experimenting at the time it was sent -- mail now seems to flow OK). Hmm, I wonder what I did about that time yesterday? Background (on not being able to send email to myself): (I was going to try to find something in the logs, but ...). Anyway: * I'm using postfix as the MTA, and most things seem to work. I've set relayhost to point to my ISP. My home network is private, and my machines are named like System8.Home (System8 is the host (machine) name), and Home is the domain (not fully qualified, and not registered). My user name on system8 is dad, so I set a canonical_map (two ways, i.e., for send and receive, IIUC) to map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other than that, my setup is fairly vanilla -- the only other parameters I've set are: * defer_transports=smtp * disable_dns_lookups=yes * canonical_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/canonical This is all on Mandrake 7.2 (actually the MandrakeFreq update). All the other settings are, IIRC, as they were upon installation. I do know that if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly to my ISP (not via my server) it goes to them and comes back later. If I send it via my server, it just seems to disappear (although I suppose it could be at my ISP, waiting to get a nondelivery notice after five days). Randy Kramer --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions
Derek Jennings wrote: On Thursday 15 Aug 2002 8:07 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: Oops, I probably should have mentioned that the problem occurs when I try to send mail to myself addressed as [EMAIL PROTECTED]. (I haven't tried addressing it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I will in case it provides a clue.) Randy Kramer Randy Kramer wrote: I've got my email server nearly working (includes fetchmail, postfix, procmail, ipopd). ;-) Main Problem: I can't send email to myself. Sub Problem: My postfix logs don't seem to be running -- are there any simple traps I'm liable to have fallen into which stop the postfix logging mechanism? The logs I'm checking are the info, warnings, and errors logs in /var/log/mail. Postfix is still running, but nothing has appeared in these logs since mid afternoon yesterday. The messages in the info and warning logs concern an email message that had been sitting there for 13 days (which is of no concern as I was only experimenting at the time it was sent -- mail now seems to flow OK). Hmm, I wonder what I did about that time yesterday? Background (on not being able to send email to myself): (I was going to try to find something in the logs, but ...). Anyway: * I'm using postfix as the MTA, and most things seem to work. I've set relayhost to point to my ISP. My home network is private, and my machines are named like System8.Home (System8 is the host (machine) name), and Home is the domain (not fully qualified, and not registered). My user name on system8 is dad, so I set a canonical_map (two ways, i.e., for send and receive, IIUC) to map [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other than that, my setup is fairly vanilla -- the only other parameters I've set are: * defer_transports=smtp * disable_dns_lookups=yes * canonical_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/canonical This is all on Mandrake 7.2 (actually the MandrakeFreq update). All the other settings are, IIRC, as they were upon installation. I do know that if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] directly to my ISP (not via my server) it goes to them and comes back later. If I send it via my server, it just seems to disappear (although I suppose it could be at my ISP, waiting to get a nondelivery notice after five days). Randy Kramer --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Derek, Thanks very much for your reply! I realized a little later that I still had the myhostname and myorigin set to fast.net which was part of my problem. (And, at least for the myhostname was a definite mistake.) Once I removed those, I could send mail to myself. Now I realize that some of what I want to do is at crosspurposes with some other things I want to do. For example: * My mail on the Internet needs to look like it's coming from [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that: * mail hosts that will only relay for a known subscriber will relay for me (I guess that depends on the envelope address), and * replies to emails I send will come back to me (I guess that depends on the header address) AFAICT, I need an entry in canonical to change my local address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to the one that's valid on the Internet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), at least when I send mail from the Linux mail server (which I will do on occasion) -- my Windows email client (Netscape) lets me specify my email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) so at least the header address on outgoing mail is correct * On the other hand, on my local network, there is more than one user, and, it would be ideal for local mail to use addresses like [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that ruth or [EMAIL PROTECTED] could send mail directly to me (and vice versa) and be handled by the local mail server (the one I'm setting up) instead of going out to my ISPs mail server and then coming back. All in all, I find it very confusing, and I guess it's partially because I'm doing something somewhat out of the ordinary (sharing one outside world email address among several family members). Anyway, I do want to thank you, I think I'm back on track to accomplish something (even if it's just to redetermine what I'm trying to do). (And writing this is sort of a thinking on paper exercise that hopefully helps me do that.) I have more comments / questions below, if anyone has time to respond to any of them. Well if mail from your ISP comes into your clients mailbox then that confirms fetchmail is getting it OK, and procmail is working. There should be a procmail log associated with each mail. There should also be a postfix log record when a mail comes in. (Syslog should also record the passage of the mail) I found the syslog and can see things happening there. I know where the procmail log is and have looked at it (right now my bigger concern is outgoing
Re: [newbie] Postfix and Email Server Questions
Derek, Thanks for the followup! I was curious so I tried sending you mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- it basically bounced so I assume that is not a good Internet email address for you. (There was also a reference to spews, so possibly it is your address, but currently blacklisted?) quote Hi. This is the qmail-send program at newmx1.fast.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 212.187.213.75 does not like recipient. Remote host said: 553 [1] misc13, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S610 Giving up on 212.187.213.75. /quote Anyway, I was curious. Derek Jennings wrote: The identity of who is sending the mail is simply set up in the mail client. Kmail for example allows you to assume an identity based on which folder you are currently browsing. That's a good point -- I did some looking and found that even Pine let's you set the email address of your identity -- I guess I assumed Pine would not have that capability -- now I'm assuming all email clients have that ability. I guess I'll see what happens. ;-) (I don't suppose there is an easy way of doing that for mail sent from the command line? Don't answer -- it's just idle curiosity.) Anyway, assuming they all have that capability, I now realize it does make more sense for me to use that ability rather than the canonical mapping capability because I can then send mail as [EMAIL PROTECTED] on the Internet or [EMAIL PROTECTED] locally. About as good as I'm going to get, I suspect. (Aside: I did figure out how to use a canonical map for sending only -- basically in the Postfix config file you specify a sender_canonical_map (or recipient_canonical_map) file the same way you would specify a bidirectional canonical map and then create the file.) Take a look at the headers of this mail, and you can trace it through my system.(Read from bottom up) I took a brief look -- I wonder if somebody has created a GUI email header parser that displays the headers in some way to easily make sense of them? regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] hdparm not in Mandrake 8.2?
I just read a post on either newbie or expert about somebody who did not have hdparm on their Mandrake 8.2 install. I just went and checked and I don't have it either. I made a fairly complete install so I'm surprised. (Understand -- it might be on the CDs, but I think I selected every major group of stuff for installation, and IIRC, dug for a few things (like nedit) that weren't installed by default.) Questions: 1. Has hdparm been superceded by something else? What? 2. Assuming that hdparm has been superceded by something else, do the announcements of new releases of Mandrake typically mention / explain changes like this? Where should I look for this kind of information? Discussion: Although I'm still a newbie, I think there is a core of programs / utilities that should be installed with every Linux system (except special purpose or embedded Linuxes, like SNF or similar), and hdparm sounds like one of those. If one of those core utilities is moved to someplace from where it is less likely to be installed (or removed entirely), that should be announced. I expect to upgrade my Linux boxes occasionally as new versions of a distro (Mandrake) are released, but I do it by wiping things like /, /usr, etc. off my disk (preserving things like /home) and then doing a complete reinstall. I would like as few surprises as possible, except for the improvements (but even then, I'd like to know what to expect). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] thinking of installing Mozilla ...
Rainer wrote: like it says, i'm hearing a lot about mozilla and debating whether to install it. is there anything i should know (newbie speaking)? what version should i get, 1.0. do i have to uninstall k mail, k node? any advice before i begin would be helpful. i'm using mandrake 8.2 right now. thanks. I'm not an expert, but for my purposes, Mozilla is the best browser on Mandrake 8.2. (Mozilla 0.9.8 comes with Mandrake 7.2 -- if you didn't install it originally it should be fairly easy to install from the rpms.) Mozilla 0.9.8 has a few problems -- I do a lot of work on a TWiki and edit textboxes from the browser. Occasionally the insertion point wants to be stubborn and go somewhere on it's own and needs to be coaxed back. Also occasionally, the browser gets stuck in a scrolling mode such that the page scrolls vertically as you move the mouse vertically. Tabs are nice -- if I'm working on a topic and need several browsers open, I open all the necessary pages on different tabs of one browser instance. Unfortunately, the browser instances are not totally separate -- I have had two crashes of a Mozilla instance, in both cases it closed all the open Mozilla windows. Mozilla 1.0 may or may not have solved the problems listed above. (But surely created some new and better problems ;-) ) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] thinking of installing Mozilla ...
Randy Kramer wrote: I'm not an expert, but for my purposes, Mozilla is the best browser on Mandrake 8.2. (Mozilla 0.9.8 comes with Mandrake 7.2 -- if you didn't Oops: ^^8.2 install it originally it should be fairly easy to install from the rpms.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] hdparm not in Mandrake 8.2?
civileme wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Has hdparm been superceded by something else? What? No that is what is known as a packaging error. You can download hdparm from any Mandrake mirror --just DL the 8.2 version. Civileme, Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] thinking of installing Mozilla ...
Klemm wrote: And Actually I like when it goes to that scrolling mode. Did you say it is a bug. Well I started to find where's that key that turns that option on and off. It is worth implementing as an option. Hmm what a nice bug we have... One man's bug ... But, it's not the normal behavior. The (first) nice behavior is that, in essence, if you click on the vertical elevator and hold it, you can scroll vertically continuously, even if your mouse moves way out of the area of the vertical scrollbar. But then, for example, if a popup window appears over Mozilla and you close that window, you are left in the continuous vertical scroll mode, which you have to find a way to get out of. (IIRC, pressing escape or clicking somewhere else on the screen (or both) let you get out of the mode.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to setup Mandrake to be a Router
Miark wrote: In KDE (and I guess Gnome) 1) Click Control Center. 2) Click Network Internet. 3) Click Connection Sharing. 4) Configure away! Miark, What version of Mandrake are you using? In my installation of Mandrake 8.2 I don't have a Network Internet tab (or whatever) under Control Center, and I can't find Connection Sharing anywhere under Control Center. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to setup Mandrake to be a Router
Ah, OK -- there it is -- thanks to you both! Randy Kramer Miark wrote: Ya, what Dennis said. I'm running 8.2 and KDE 3.0.2 and it's the one on the KDE desktop. Miark Myers, Dennis R NWO [EMAIL PROTECTED] saith: I think he is talking about the Mandrake Control Center wich is on the KDE desktop, not the one in the Kpanel pop up. In console mode it is drakconf, I think. Not at my Linux computer now so can't check it. HTH Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help with screen area resolution and ethernet adapter
Anne Wilson wrote: So are you saying that in changing to a lower resolution the refresh rate is raised? I would have expected the other way round. No, it's a little more complicated than that -- the same resolution can have several different refresh rates depending on some of the characteristics of your monitor and your preferences. You can change these in the file (forget the name) that contains the mode lines, as long as you know what you're doing (don't change a mode line to one that will damage your monitor). AFAIK, the ctrlalt+ and - merely cycle through the various mode lines set up in that file (or maybe a subset of those mode lines??). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] md5sum
Alastair Scott wrote: On Sunday 04 Aug 2002 2:43 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked but didn,t find any information on how to use the md5sum.I burned three CD,s for the beta 9.0 2 today on my Windows 2000 system checking them before trying them I have errors on 2 gnome -game at 21% and in 3 I,ve got several .I am useing cable download at 197 usally have good luck JOE Just a PS: If the md5sums are bad, consider using rsync instead of redownloading the entire files -- see: * http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/RsyncingALargeFile Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Kmail: how to not flag message as read
civileme wrote: I have found something about each to love, but in a rush I drag out SDF every time. What's SDF? (I know that once you tell me I'll say duh, but just doesn't ring a bell for me immediately.) And, what's the 2k editor? Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Manually editing a file
I was hoping somebody would respond to this -- I'll take a stab in the interest of leading to a resolution: I think it would depend on whether the authors clarified or changed the license. If they change the license, the new license presumably applies to new releases, not prior releases, and prior releases could continue to be used under the terms of the old version of the license. If they clarify the license, it implies something like they think people have been misinterpreting the terms of the existing license, and their preference, no doubt, is that you comply with their clarification even for older releases of the product. It might be appropriate to comply with their preference, but I'm not sure that it could be legally enforced, in fact I think it is not very likely -- I suspect if a court case ensued, the result would depend mostly on things other than an ex post facto clarification by the authors, although that might be considered. (But, I am really uncertain about this, and, in addition to all other considerations, it probably depends on what country / jurisdiction the case is tried in.) NOTE: IANAL -- IANAL -- IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer) Randy Kramer Damian G wrote: Actually nano has the same command structure as pico, and to get pico you need to install pine. You won't be seeing pine in the download edition any longer because the authors have clarified their license terms and it is abundantly clear that it is neither free nor open-source nor really distributable. This means of course that you won't be seeing pico either. Civileme uhm.. not even an older version, issued with a not-clarified license? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] TV Tunner Cards
Phillip scott wrote: Is it posible to use a tunner card made for Windoze 98 in MD 8.2? I think you should get the manufacturer and model number and check it against the Mandrake hardware compatibility list (or post it here). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT?? Linux or Unix?
civileme wrote: If your primary concern is internet sharing, Mandrake has a wonderful product called SNF. You install it and let it run, and configure it from one of your other machines with a web browser. It can lock off domains or IPs and map popups into single transparent pixels, as well as restricting access in and out. civileme, 1. Thanks for all your good help over the last year or so! Hope things go well for you and you do find time to continue participating on the newbie and expert lists! 2. Just took a look at SNF (http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/snf/features), and noticed that it does not mention DNS. I would have thought that it would be nice to run a caching DNS server on that (on the premise that such would speed up DNS requests out to the Internet, and that it would alleviate the need for me to create a DNS server to serve my LAN). Is DNS included but not mentioned, or if it is not included, is there some technical or security related reason? regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT?? Linux or Unix?
civileme wrote: Well, one of the SNF designers was Jay Beale, and his opinion was that a caching DNS server was a serious security risk. --other good stuff snipped-- Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderstorms/Powersurges/Powerfailures
g wrote: to determine power requirements, check labels on back of equipment for voltage and amps ratings. multiply volts x amps = va load to determine require ups. That works, but it is conservative. I may have a special case in that I am mostly concerned with riding through very short outages -- 1 second to say 1 minute. I have a 300 VA Conext UPS (I got it from Staples for about $10 after a $20 rebate, IIRC). I'm running 3 computers on it (main boxes only, not the monitor) and am surviving the short outages I occasionally get. Some day I'll pull the plug and time how long the three computers stay up. I just looked at a 200 Watt computer power supply from my junkbox -- the label says it uses 5 amps at 115 volts (575 volt amps (VA)). It is probably not a modern switching power supply, which I assume would have a lower power requirement, but, the three computers I mention above have power supplies of 300, 230, and 200 watts (IIRC), so presumably the labels will add up to at least a requirement of 730 volt amps. Since I am running those three on a UPS rated at 300 VA, there is some conservatism in the calculations. PS: The Conext has an indicator light to indicate if the plugged in load is beyond the rating of the UPS (even while the UPS is running off the mains) -- it is not on, and I've never seen it on. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderstorms/Powersurges/Powerfailures
g wrote: as a suggestion, put sasd suppressor at mains electrical panel. this will protect _all_ electrical afer panel. Oops, forgot to ask in the last post: What is a typical price for an sasd suppressor that you might put at the main electrical panel? (Also, what ratings should I look for?) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderstorms/Powersurges/Powerfailures
John Richard Smith wrote: I don't know whether this is right, but I have on this ring main 4 computers, off hand I think they are mainly averaging 300w power supply each, which means when all 4 are on I have to protect 1200w , but most of the time I would say 2 computers run on more or less continuously, which suggest I need something less than 1200w, but , it would be sods law that the one time all 4 are running I'm not around to turn a few off when it matters. So I guess the only sure thing is to have overkill built in. I think 1200 watts of UPS would be serious overkill. (Good for the UPS manufacturers, though.) I would start with one 300 VA UPS, plug in a few computers (main boxes only -- protect the monitors with surge suppressors only, unless that has proved ineffective in the past). Then unplug the UPS from it's power source and see how long the computers stay up -- if it is close to the rated time of the UPS, you are in fine shape. This advice is based on expecting UPSs to cost more than the $10 I paid for a 300 VA UPS -- if you can get them at $10 apiece, buy four. Of course, I expect the replacement batteries (maybe required in three years?) to cost significantly more than $10, unless you get them from new $10 UPSs. ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] CivilEme petition.
et wrote: I would like to add, that buying from the mandrake-store online is a greater benefit to MandrakeSoft, since the distributor in the USA gets his cut, (McMillan). .02$ BTW, I sure do hope McMillan begins to realize what a gold mine Mandrake is for them and decides to step up to the plate and save the goose that laid the golden egg for them. /.02$ Good advice! Or join the Mandrake Club. oh yea, misspelt is not the correct spelling of miss-spelled Well, it might be -- in England, Australia, Canada, or somewhere similar. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Manually editing a file
Derek Jennings wrote: The same way to copy/paste anything else in Linux Highlight with mouse left button to copy. Press Mouse wheel (or centre button) to paste (If you have a 2 button mouse, press both buttons at once) (I like to give this tip at least once a week since it is such a revelation to newbies ;-) Wonderful -- maybe you can answer this question which has been percolating around in my brain for a while: What is the best way to copy and replace something with that Linux approach? In Windows, I would: * go somewhere and copy (with ctrl c) something I want to paste * come back to the original location, highlight the text I want to replace, and press ctrl v to delete that text and paste in the text I copied moments ago. What's the best equivalent in Linux? By the way, I notice that Mozilla (even in Linux) emulates the Windows approach to cut and paste quite well. (It has a few quirks, but they surprised me.) regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Kmail: how to not flag message as read
civileme wrote: Stormjumper wrote: is there any way of making kmail not automatically flag messages as read as soon as i click on them? ie. i'd like my messages to stay as unread until i manually flag them as read. No, Kmail isn't set up that way, but right-clicking the message and choosing 'set status' will allow you to mark the message any way you like. If you really want that option, make a suggestion to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It might be something easy for the developers to do. Just trying to learn (or confirm) something here: * isn't there a mechanism that can report back to the sender whether you've read an email or not? (or was that something that only worked on some proprietary systems that I've used?) * if that mechanism does exist, IIUC, it sends back the read notification as soon as you've opened it whether you've read it or not * are you concerned about that -- AFAIK, there is not much that you (or the developers) can do about that, unless perhaps there is change to the email infrastructure. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbie question
Wilson, Jack wrote: I dl'd 8.2 and installed it. I created another user acct besides root to play with it. I ran the Mandrake update right after I installed it, updated everything it said to and logged out. The KDE login comes up, I can log in with my normal user and everything is fine, but when I try to log in with my root user, the KDE l;ogin tells me login failed. But as my normal user logged in I can su using the root password and it works. What have I done? Until somebody writes in with more information or a better idea, my first suspect would be msec -- what security level did you choose when you installed? IIUC, in some levels you are not allowed to log in as root directly, but only to su to root from a user account. Try this page for some links to information on msec: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/Msec Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Manually editing a file
Derek, Thanks for the response! Derek Jennings wrote: Good question. I do not know... I guess you have to highlight the text to be deleted. Hit Del key Highlight text to be inserted - Click mouse wheel. It still seems to take an extra step: * goto where you want to paste, delete the stuff that's in your way * goto where you want to copy from, highlight what you want to copy * goto where you want to paste, and click the middle button I guess mentally I could make it into two steps -- I usually start from the place I want to paste something, so if I delete what I want to replace before I go looking for what I want to paste in it's place. But, if I don't find something to paste in it's place, I've now got to paste back what I just deleted. BTW : here is another newbie tip. That little picture of a clipboard in the bottom right of your KDE screen (called klipper) saves the last 7 items you have stored in the clipboard. You can reload the clipboard with text simply by clicking on the klipper icon and selecting the desired text. It can be jolly useful if you remember it is there. Yes, I use klipper a lot. I sent a few RFEs to kde related to klipper -- one suggesting that they allow assigning keyboard shortcuts to those seven buffers so that you can paste any of the seven, and a related one to allow you to choose to add something to the buffers or not (if not, you don't scroll the buffers, and something you had in the buffer stays in that particular buffer. I'm hoping they might have implemented some of this in kde 3 (I'm still using kde 2.2 with Mandrake 8.2). If anybody is using kde 3.0 or higher, has any of this been implemented? regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Newbie question
Wilson, Jack wrote: Thanks. I will check on that. I did set highest level security since this was going to be a server. DUH Hope it helps! Let us (the list) know. BTW, for my learning, I have a server (off the Internet) that I've set to the lowest level of security, just to make my learning a little easier -- learn how to make things work without security and then deal with the security afterwards. Maybe not the smartest / best way, but it's too frustrating to have a lot of variables all floating around at the same time. An example of why it's not the best way (maybe) -- you can get an insecure mail server to send mail fairly easily. When you enable security (some type of security) your faced with the anonymous relaying problem -- and now, what you so carefully got to work requires reworking. Oh well, sooner or later I'll get this stuff. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Thunderstorms/Powersurges/Powerfailures
John Richard Smith wrote: This may sound a simple question but what if anything can computer owners do, that doesn't cost an arm and a leg , to protect their equipement from bad weather. Why does this feel like a troll? Start with the simple and obvious: * Surge protectors on all your equipment / incoming lines including power, telco, network * If possible, turn equipment off during a storm (and nights etc, if unattended (and unneeded)) * UPSs with automatic shutdown features provide two things IMHO: * An extra measure of isolation from the power lines * A clean shutdown in the event of power loss Less likely, but if you're equipment is (almost) directly subject to lightning strikes (it's on the top floor of a building, with no lightning rods) consider electrical protection like lightning rods with a direct ground to the earth. High and as far away from your electronic equipment as possible. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT: MP3 Players Send Info Back to Gracenote?
The following quote came from a newsletter published by: IT INSIGHTS FROM META GROUP --- July 25, 2002 Published in association with ITworld.com http://www.itworld.com/newsletters The information on prerelease popularity of The Eminen Show CD, for instance, came from Berkeley, Calif.-based Gracenote, which has software embedded in several popular MP3 software solutions that captures information on what recordings users listen to on their computers and reports this information back to the company. Has anyone heard of this before? Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Getting off the list...
Error1018 wrote: how to get off this mailing list. Help? Try reading http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/UnsubscribingFromMailingLists Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RFEs -- Better Ways to Search the Archives
Michael, Thanks, that seems to work somewhat better than the Mandrake archives. (I'll do some more searching to confirm that.) Somehow I thought these archives had gone away when the Mandrake archives came into existence -- I hope they stay around, at least until the Mandrake archives get a better search / index tool. Randy Kramer Michael Adams wrote: I found that searching the identical list at http://www.mail-archive.com/newbie@linux-mandrake.com/ works for me usually. The attempt 2 minutes ago raised an error message which is unusual for this site. Note: mail-archive.com still keep several Mandrake mailing lists in parallel with Mandrake. The full list is available at http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/flists.php3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RFEs -- Better Ways to Search the Archives
Bill, Thanks for the response! Bill Davidson wrote: I got the same result. However, you don't normally search based on the subject of the email. Actually, for my purposes, that is what I usually do -- I want a link to the post that I can refer others to (on WikiLearn). Also, I use the mail-archive.com site. For example, here's where I would search the expert site: http://www.mail-archive.com/expert@linux-mandrake.com/ You can get there from the mandrake site, just above the links for mandrakes own archives. The search feature for the newbie site appears to be broken now though :( I'm glad the mail-archive site is still archiving these -- in a few trials, the search seems a little more useful -- I'll keep testing it. ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RFEs -- Better Ways to Search the Archives
Hmm, that didn't work! I was hoping to spark some interest in some ideas I have for better ways to search the archives. I first documented them here: But I'm copying and pasting them here. They both require infrastructure improvements, either at the archive site (better indexing and search) or in the way mail list handlers work: Add Link to the Archive before Sending to List Members -- Enter a post in the archives as soon as it gets to the mail list server, and then include a link to the archived email with the post that goes out to the subscribers. An example of the link: This post has been archived as http://www.mandrake.com/en/archives/newbie/2002-06/msg02005.php.; (Was that clear? Normally, when someone posts to a mail list, IIUC, it first goes to the mail list server, and is sent from there to the subscribers. What I'm suggesting is that it take a momentary detour when it arrives at the mail list server during which it is added to the archives and a line is added to the post (perhaps a header, or a footer) which says, for example, This post has been archived as http://www.mandrake.com/en/archives/newbie/2002-06/msg02005.php.;.) (I recognize the archive could be moved. I'm hoping that even if it does move, things like the 2002-06/msg02005.php would be preserved (along with stuff to identify the archive, like en/archives/newbie).) Dedicated Search Engine on Site with Daily Index Update --- Provide a search engine on the site specifically for the archives, with the index updated at least daily. (Preferably more often -- should be little reason it can be done every hour with a cron job -- if it indexes only the added posts it should not be a major burder (little or no worse than doing the same thing every 24 hours). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RFEs -- Better Ways to Search the Archives
Anne Wilson wrote: There's a search box at the top of the archive pages. That always works very well for me. When I tried that it searched the web, but not the archives, as far as I could see. Anyway, I got hundreds of hits and didn't spot any archive entries. Thanks, Anne! That's typical of what I get. (So I'm still looking for those better ways, or if there are none, I have some RFEs.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] (OT) first gif..........
Tom Brinkman wrote: 17 is one term, 99 years is another? I'm not a patent attorney, what do I know ; IANAL! Unless something has changed, patents have a fairly short term (17 years sounds right) and can be renewed once. Copyrights are the thing that have the very long life, like life of the author plus 70(?) years, and for coporations, 99(?) years. Randy Kramer I now know that IANAL is intended to mean I Am Not A Lawyer, but before I understood that, I thought it meant I Am Not A Liar. I wondered, for a very brief time, why all these people involved in legal discussions felt the need to proclaim they were not liars. ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] setting up a dnscache.
Zeynal, I have taken the liberty of quoting a significant portion or all of your email on WikiLearn. See http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/DnsResources and http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/QuotedEmailsLetter. If you have any comments, suggestions, or objections, please let me know, or modify the WikiLearn page appropriately yourself, as it is a wiki (TWiki). To edit a page, you will have to register at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration. You will be asked some tough questions, like: * your name * your email address * your country Also, you will be asked to make up a WikiName (one will be suggested) and a password. WikiLearn is my publicly available personal learning notebook, which you (anyone) can use and/or contribute to as you find tidbits of information that you would like to be able to easily find again or would be useful to other people. See http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/WhyWikiLearn. In the normal course of events, if I have quoted something, I hope I or somebody else will eventually get back to that page and paraphrase it in my (their) own words, a process known in some wiki circles as refactoring. Usually when I do this, I will add the name of the person I originally quoted to the list of contributors. To learn more about wikis, please see http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AboutThesePages and follow any of the links that appear interesting. regards, Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i hope this can help you . it's a very simple simple cache that i used once and it worked as far as i recall. you can download a file called root.hint from the authoritive organisation in your country , mine is internic.se , and place it in /var/named/ 1. install bind9 2. copy the secret from your /etc/rndc.conf an creat named.conf in /etc/ my named.conf is as following. note that 10.0.0.1 should be replaced with your real ip adress. named.conf -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ten Things Wrong with Linux
Michael Adams wrote: Only a big blue link at the bottom of the left column called Contact me. MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow, I am blind! ;-) Thanks! Randy Kramer Now, what was I going to tell him -- ahh, yes -- try nedit! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ten Things Wrong with Linux
shane wrote: On Saturday 13 July 2002 08:08 am, robin did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Ideally we would have an OS that would be comprehensible to a person of average intelligence with no RTFM, but would not hinder the advanced user by dumbing things down. This is an unattainable ideal, but an approachable one; as we progress towards it, we are bound to lurch from one side or another. why does this sound like the speed of light problem? will linux, as it approaches this unattainable mark, slowly increase in size until it is infinitely large? sounds like windows.. ;) Interesting thought! (Sounds like something I'd mention, but you saw it first.) Anyway, then we need code janitors or refactorers to start reducing the size. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ten Things Wrong with Linux
Alastair Scott wrote: iv. 9 is resolved by nedit, which he evidently isn't aware of. Absolutely, and I'm rather annoyed that he doesn't provide an email address to allow feedback. I guess I could search on the web, but why should I have to. Randy Kramer (Guess I'm cranky today. ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Ten Things Wrong with Linux
tom brinkman wrote: The article takes most things from a 'the situation is an OS fault, then hardware, then user' approach. Unfortunately most users (any OS) do also. I've found when situations are approached just the opposite as most likely a user, then maybe hardware, and lastly OS deficiency, I tend to have better experiences. You are right when you view it from an individual basis. (If you (or I) want the best results from Linux, we usually need to consider problems to be our responsibility and look for solutions in areas which we have control over.) However, some people have made a fair amount of money by looking from the other perspective. (Some guy named Gates comes to mind. ;-) Disclaimer: I am not a Microsoft fan (I was for awhile, around the time of Word 1.0 and so forth), nor a fan of Bill Gates' / Microsoft's ethics or business practices -- I'm just reminding myself that they have been fairly successful to date. I want to see Linux be an effective competitor to Microsoft *on the desktop*. To do that, I believe we need more looking at things from the other perspective, fixing things to make life easy for the user. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] stange install works and then doesn't
Eric Jackson wrote: I saw that Suse had an evaluation disk that you can download and try. It writes 3 or 4 files to your hard drive but it doesn't do any partioning. When I tried that, it was fine. I had a working evaluation setup on my computer. Because of that, I bought Suse 8.0. It installed with no problem on my desktop. I now have Madrake on my laptop (although it doesn't recognise my Intel Wireless II Internet adapter) and Suse on my desktop (although I have no CD audio). Since I couldn't get one distribution installed, I tried another. That is very good advice! (Something I had forgotten.) When I started in Linux, I bought a few distros (some real shareware type stuff and Caldera Open Linux 2.2). Fortunately, I did manage to install Open Linux 2.2 -- it wasn't too bad, IIRC. Anyway, a little later I joined a LUG and got a stack of 10 to 15 different distros. Tried to install them -- if they installed I tried them out for a few hours. Eventually decided (at that time) to stick to Mandrake. Probably half of those distros didn't install at all on my particular machine(s), and another 1/4 of those weren't user friendly enough to bother trying. The point is there are a lot of alternatives in the Linux world. SuSE and Mandrake are, IMHO, two good choices. There are others, depending on your knowledge, experience, tolerance for frustration, etc., like Red Hat, Slackware, Debian, GenToo, etc. Join a LUG, try a variety of distros. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] New Hobby
I plan to start a new hobby -- whenever I'm at a computer show or store, I'm going to go around and ask about different products saying -- does that have a driver for Linux. I'll try not to become too well known, or the vendors will see that one nut who asks about Linux drivers. (I'll try to buy something every once in a while, also.) Anybody want to take up the same hobby? Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New Hobby
Miark wrote: I have to move in a couple months and was looking for new work when I came across a job for a network admin. I'm not really interesting in the job, but the description mentioned that it was a Windows network that will soon be upgraded to Windows 2000 or Windows XP. I couldn't resist. I wrote the company back and asked why they were burdening their company with the expense and licsensing associated with those products when Linux is available. They didn't respond. Not yet anyway :-) Alright!! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] stange install works and then doesn't
Joe, Thanks for a masterful job of editing (snipping) previous posts!! (I preserved most of the post below so others can remember what it looked like.) regards, Randy Kramer Joe Harkins wrote: At 08:19 PM 7/10/2002 -0400, you wrote: is the smaller drive a master or slave and which ide channel is it on and does that IDE channel have any other devices? Slave, first channel. No devices. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] directory sizes
Robt. Miller wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Ross Pearson wrote: I'm having difficulty finding a way to display the total size of a directory and all its contents while at a console. Can anyone give any pointers please. du -b -h On my system this seems to show only subdirectories within a directory, not files within a directory. Is this the expected behavior? Alias does not show that du is an alias for some other command. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] html help files
robin wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: A couple of weeks ago someone told me how to convert html help files into something more useful I thought I had saved it but I can't find it. I think it involed LaTeX (sp?) I'd appreciate seeing the instructions again. If you have html2latex (it's not on the Mandrake CDs but can be downloaded - you will also need a couple of Perl modules like HTML::Tree, which are also easily downloadable) you can either import the file into LyX (better if you want to edit it) or run html2latex from the command line, then run latex on the resulting .tex file, then dvips on the resulting .dvi file, then you end up with a nice printable .ps file. Apologies for the syntax of the last sentence! You mean the first sentence, don't you ;-) (I'm laughing with you -- I may have a new standard to beat ;-) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Inodes
Michael Adams wrote: Perhaps linking is what you are after. It creates a file redirect if i understand it correctly. Oh, joy, more new terminology ;-( What is a file redirect? Well, Ok, since you equate it with linking, I suppose I can guess. But, to satisfy my curiosity, can you tell me where that terminology came from (I mean, like Windows, Unix, Univac, Dec, ...??) regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT Why HTML mail is bad
Todd Slater wrote: Somewhere I bookmarked pages that explained why HTML email is bad, but I'll be darned if I can find them now. I recall getting some of them from this list, so if you've got a page you share with folks to help explain why HTML mail is bad, could you share it? You can respond off-list if you like, I'll post a summary. Try this: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AvoidHTMLinEmail and maybe this: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/AvoidHTMLinEmailDiscussion . Rather than posting a summary, feel free to add to / edit either of these pages, as they are on a wiki (TWiki). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Books suggestion.
This is a list of resources that I've found. http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/LinuxResources I haven't tried all of them. Most recently, I refound the Mandrake 8.2 Reference Manual (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/doc/82/en/ref.html/foreword.html) and it looks like it's worth a read. (It may not have worked for me as a rank newbie.) Randy Kramer On Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:22:29 -0300 Filipe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you give me a little help answering the add below ??? (It can interest others newbies) Linux home-user (not IT professional but above dummy in computer level), myself, that recently installed Mandrake 8.2 (2 cd's pack), with no time for formal course, with some initial difficulty, looks for: an excellent book (just one) of Linux with home-user approach, in style: step-by-step / self-study,based on Redhat or Mandrake preferably (if it is important), updated version, covering the basic topics from: linux installation, soft installation/upgrade; use of utilities (backup, anti-virus, firewall), hard/drivers upgradeuntil setting home network (at most), for learn and reference use. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is there anything similar to HyperTerminal?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an app that will alow me to configure routers, switches etc via serial console connections? Well, I know there is, I've just never tried it from Linux. Don't know if telnet would do the job, if not there are some tools with tty in the name (like mintty, etc.??) that might do the job. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will answer you! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Switching from Voodoo to GeForce2
D. Olson wrote: Well, the link worked for me Ok, I suspected the email problem might depend on the client you're using -- what client do you use? (I'll have to recheck when I don't have a headache, but, IIRC, the link did not work for me yesterday from my Netscape 3.04 mail client, but then, they almost never do -- I cut and paste them to IE. (Sorry!)) But anyway, that's all beside the point... But I meant the link on the site... Yeah, you're right! Found the problem -- it's due to the square brackets that were around newbie. Fixed that, but now having trouble navigating from the cited post to the one by you == probably will have to re-search the archives and put a new link in. I've probably got several pages with the same problem (square brackets around newbie or expert). Thanks, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is there anything similar to HyperTerminal?
Bill Spatz wrote: minicom maybe? I've used it to configure external modems when I was running MDK 7.0 Yes, I think that's what I was actually trying to remember (as opposed to mintty). Thanks, hope that helps the original poster. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Switching from Voodoo to GeForce2
D. Olson wrote: All you're mail are belong to KMail. ;-) Thanks! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Whoopeee
Great -- congratulations! Randy Kramer C.Anne Wilson wrote: Major breakthrough - I have to share. My life is bound up in my Lotus Organizer, and this has been a major stumbling block. It seemed that Evolution would be the way forward, but I could find no way of importing my Organizer info. Disappointed, I turned to WINE, hoping that would solve the problem. It didn't work. I looked at a couple of WINE-user newsgroups, where I found the opinion that Lotus SmartSuite as a whole was well-nigh impossible. Then - I discolvered that Organizer can write vCal files and KOrganizer can read them. With a little perseverence I've got the diary, anniversary, Planner, UK Holidays, Christian Holidays sections and the ToDo list into KOrganizer. KAddress didn't want to know about my Contacts section, but Gnome-Card imported the lot, automatically and trouble-free. A small thing to many of you, I know, but my life is in order again. :-) It also means that the balance of power has changed. I can now spend more time in Linux and less in Win98. Of course there are still problems to solve, but that's life. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to print screen?
Josef Lowder wrote: I sent the following question several days ago, and never received any response? Did the message never arrive, previously? I saw your message several days ago, so it did arrive. I don't know whether the Print Screen key works in Linux -- I sort of doubt it -- I just tried it, alone and in combination with most combinations of shift, ctrl, and alt, and saw no response. BUT, I'm not real confident my printer is set up properly -- I only recently got it to work at all. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how to print screen?
Michael Adams wrote: In windows, print screen prints to the clipboard not the printer, from which the pic can be pasted into an application. It is a function most often used by manual writers and program reveiwers, not to say that other uses dont exist. Thanks, I forgot about that! I guess it was dos where printscreen actually printed (?). And, I had a utility installed in Windows, IIRC, that did the same thing. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp error
Thank you, Nick! Randy Kramer Nick Andriash wrote: I find reading your postings difficult to do because of the excess quoting on your part. In that last message you quoted 134 lines of text to write 4 lines. Is KMail not capable of creating a normal Reply, or are you not paying any attention to what you are quoting? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
tom Brinkman wrote: While building from scratch might offer the best results, it's never the cheapest route. In general that may be true, but I upgrade my systems piecemeal -- that is, I sometimes upgrade an existing system reusing the hard drive, CD-Rom, case, and anything else that is not obsolete. And, even if I eventually want a bigger hard drive, I can put that off until later, or put two of my smaller hard drives on one system and buy one bigger new one for another system. (Unfortunately, in the next go round, I'll need to upgrade the case and the memory in most cases.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No Message Collected
Carroll Grigsby wrote: I got about 8 or 10 of these messages this morning from this list and the expert list. It's something I've not seen before. What's it mean? I got a bunch of messages from the list this morning with no content -- that is, just the headers, no message, even if I viewed the source. (Could have been 8 to 10 but I'm thinking it was closer to 4 or 5.) I wonder if: * It's the same problem (I suspect it is) * It's a mail list problem (I suspect it is --I can't imagine 4 to 10 different people each sending a blank message by accident). These were grouped together (timewise), and messages after those were fine. (Unfortunately, I didn't save the messages.) Just thought I'd contribute to the mystery. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory [getting OT]
robin wrote: dfox wrote: I imagine Mandrake would work OK with such a system. But personally I shy away with 'branded' computers - isn't there a way you can upgrade the system you have, just get the components you need, and then install on that? HPs a respected brand but I wouldn't buy a P4 system from any- one - the processor is just too da*n crippled and too expensive. AMD is far better choice. And you probably have some good HD space left, but if not, you can save your orig drive(s) and move them into a new home. I understand Walmart is now selling computers, either with no operating system, or with Lindows preinstalled -- it could be worth looking at. BTW, I like cheap motherboards. I've used TX-Pro II motherboards with onboard sound and video for a number of years without problems on Windows. (I've had difficulty with Linux, but some of that is probably my problem. I am stuck at Xfree 3.3.6 on those motherboards, IIRC, and don't have sound working. (I normally don't use sound, don't have speakers plugged in -- there is a slight possibility that sound does now work (with some more recent installs) but I really haven't checked. The newer motherboard I'm using is a Matsonic MS8308-E (or EP?). On board sound, video (works with the new Xfree -- 4.2.x?), NIC, and special LMR slot for a modem. (On board stuff is based on the SiS 730 chipset.) One nice feature of the board is that the on board video is AGP, but there is also an AGP slot, so if I want to plug in a better video card I can. I originally installed Mandrake 7.2 (after being unsuccessful with Mandrake 8.0), and sound did not work. Since then I've upgraded to Mandrake 8.1 and then 8.2 but never tested the sound. I understand that the NIC does not work with Linux -- I've never tried as I use coax on my network, and the on board NIC is RJ-45 (10/100). Aside: The reason I switched motherboards is that the TX-Pro II could handle a max of two 64 MB DIMMS (plus two SIMMs, IIRC, 32 MB each). I needed more memory. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Intro and E-Mail client??
dfox wrote: Randy Kramer wrote: And, if spammers wanted to reach people who have specified their preference not to receive HTML / XML mail, they'd have to send plain Spammers could care less. Most of the spam I get now is all html or in chinese. They don't even care if the person on the other end can read the message. That's wonderful -- anybody set to receive no HTML will also receive no spam!! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory
dfox wrote: You might be able to add more RAM. It depends on your motherboard, and you should consult the manufacturer's manual to be sure. There can be problems mixing different types and speeds of RAM, and it might be an either/or situation with respect to simms vs. dimms in that particular motherboard. What he said! And, if you don't have the manual for the motherboard anymore, try to give us a model number. (I'm not sure that 200 megahertz genuine Intel motherboard pins it down -- does the 200 mhz refer to the max. processor speed of to the memory bus speed -- if the latter, it's a fairly recent motherboard and I'd expect to be able to put a lot of memory (more than 128 MB) in the dimm slots. But just for perspective, the motherboard I've used as a standard for several years (I've started replacing them recently) can use simms and dimms in certain specific combinations (I don't know what that does to the overall memory bus speed -- someone told me all the memory would run at the speed of the slowest simms), but the maximum size dimm (in each of two slots) is 64 MB. So I run these motherboards (in Linux) with 128 MB. Like I said, check your manual, and if you don't have your manual, search the Intel site for more info, or publish the model number here, so maybe somebody with the same motherboard can help you. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upgrading memory
et wrote: MOST times you can _not_ mix, in fact I do not ever remember a MOBo where you can mix 128 pin and 72 pin. Just for the record, my old standard motherboard does allow this, with some limitations. It has 4 simm slots and 2 dimm slots, you cannot use both slot 1s. In other words, you can use all 4 simm slots and only the 2nd dimm slot, or you can use both dimm slots, but only the 3rd and 4th simm slots. (And, in addition, as I think I mentioned in an earlier post, the dimm slots are limited to 64 MB. each.) (Hmm, now that I think about it, I might have one machine running with both types of RAM. I'll have to do some looking around. If so, I left it that way, so I must have thought it was an improvement. If I can confirm that, I'll write again.) And, I've been told (but don't know for a fact), that if you do use both types of slot, all the memory runs at the speed of the slowest type. I've seen the motherboard with a couple of different brand names, I usually refer to it as a TX-Pro II, oftentimes with a manual that simply says Mainboard. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] how can i improve vnc responsiveness?
Stormjumper wrote: okay. thanks, i'll take note of that. my cards are all 10/100, and my cables all cat5. i just wanna make sure that spending $$ on the switch will result in a noticeable performance diff. I strongly suspect that the hub is *not* a major bottleneck. How many other computers are on the LAN? Some things to try (if both computers are on the LAN): * Interconnect the two computers you are concerned with by a crossover cable. * Avoid other traffic through the hub by temporarily disconnecting any computers other than the two you are concerned with. In my experience, products like VNC (PCAnywhere, etc., etc., etc.) are just dogs, and very slow. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Speed differences between OSs
Dan W. Dooley wrote: Can someone explain to me why Linux under KDE or Gnome would run so much slower than Windows on the same machine? An older HP Vectra with a 200 MHz Pent.; 80 meg RAM; two harddrives; integrated video. This machine has had Windows 2000 Server, NT Server 4, Linux 8.2, and currently NT and 8.2 on it. The difference in operation (speed wise) between the two MS systems (not trying to praise MS here) and Linux is like night and day. Linux is excruciatingly slow. From the time I click on an icon to do anything, that can be running Control Center, or any of the installed apps off of the Linux CD until the app is up on screen is several times longer than a comparable app (Explorer or Control Panel, for example) under Windows. Oh yes, previous installs with 8.1, on this machine and 8.1 plus Red Hat on another and much faster machine produced the same comparisons. Ideas? I won't try to explain -- that would be a major minefield. I can confirm that this is not an unexpected result. I have similar experiences with Win95 and any Linux I've tried. My recommendation is get more RAM -- a lot more RAM -- a minimum of 256 MB. (My standard motherboards of many years only support 128 MB, so I've replaced a few so far -- the others mostly still run Windows for several reasons.) Another traditional recommendation is to use a lighter weight window manager than KDE or GNOME, like ICEWM, BlackBox, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Speed differences between OSs
Dan W. Dooley wrote: I understand. It is disappointing, and to me (my humble opinion) counters the claims of Linux being a good choice on more modest hardware. At least that was always the impression I had. Yeah, I feel the same way -- as a nondiscriminating listener, I heard Linux was more powerful and faster and more stable and ... -- I sometimes joke that the statements would be more accurate if the word and was replaced with the word or. I guess Linux can be a good choice on more modest hardware if you stick to the CLI. Nevertheless, I support and advocate Linux, because we (the people) need to make sure that Microsoft has viable competition. Randy Kramer The other machine I had tried it on some months ago is a much faster one and at the time had 256 meg. of RAM and a much bigger harddrive partition on which I was dual booting between Linux and Win 2000Pro. I like the full featured aspect of KDE and though I haven't examined Gnome that closely, it looks interesting. I would not want to go to something severely stripped down. Not if I'm ever going to think in terms of a Windows replacement, which I'd like to think of. Dan W. Dooley wrote: Can someone explain to me why Linux under KDE or Gnome would run so much slower than Windows on the same machine? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Speed differences between OSs
Jon Doe wrote: I'm with you, I know what its like not liking MS. But the point I'm trying to make is, 1. If you don't like the speed of linux use something else. Or change Linux. This is not a personal attack, so please don't take it that way. I just get tired of hearing people bashing linux and saying well I can do it in windows. Great! Then use windows. Linux and windows are NOT the same OS. They don't work the same way, they don't call on hardware the same way and therefore can NOT be campared the same way. Apples are Apples and Oranges are Oranges. Would go to your grocer and say, hey I don't like these Apples they taste like oranges? Again Linux is NOT a replacement for Windows. As Linux is NOT a replacement for Unix or BSD. You can USE linux, just as you can USE windows or Unix or BSD. What you can't do, is expect Linux or Unix to work and act like Windows. There are different levels to consider, but at several of those, yes, you (or anyone) can expect to Linux to work and act like Windows. Isn't this somewhat the point of projects like Wine, Winex, Win4Lin, etc.? Speaking of levels, I'd like Linux to have all the conveniences and applications of Windows, but with none of the problems. (I try not to ask for too much ;-) Have a good day! Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Speed differences between OSs
robin wrote: Randy Kramer wrote: Just for the record, I didn't write what you attributed to me. I think Dan W. Dooley wrote it, but I'm not absolutely sure. So is it a case of comparing apples and pears (i.e. recent versions of KDE with old versions of Windows)? Perhaps. I've made this comparison / complaint with Win95 vs. Caldera 2.2, 2.4, RedHat 5.2, 6.0, 6.2, Mandrake 6.0, 6.2, 7.0, 7.2, 8.1, and I'm now installing Mandrake 8.2. I've never had the need to upgrade beyond Win95, and don't plan to spend the money to do so. (I have worked on a few comparable machines with Win98, and saw no real difference in speed.) Win 95 has worked well for me with 32 MB or less. (I now have 64 MB installed.) At least KDE will run on my office machine, whereas I doubt if XP would (it only has 64MB of RAM). Like it or not, desktops and applications that want to be full-featured tend to assume that people have at the very least 128MB of RAM on at least a 500MHz CPU, preferably more and faster. I'd be interested to see performance compared between XP and Mandrake 8.2/KDE, with both boxes running the same kinds of services with the same level of security (well, to the extent that XP can get the same level of security!). Sir Robin, now happily back in KDE I agree, I expect to stay with KDE, perhaps using a few GNOME (and other non-KDE) applications. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Printer stops at half work
Alastair Scott wrote: That said, with the Lexmark ink cartridges almost £40 a pair I'll replace the whole thing with something Linux-friendlier next time they run out. (Probably a HP). I recommend you consider Canon. The big selling point for me is that the cartridges are usually easy to refill, much easier than HP. I finally got my Canon BJC 3000 to print under Linux (with the installation of Mandrake 8.2), but haven't tested it for very long, but (with the foomatic bjc-600 driver) it looks equivalent to what I see when printing under Windows. The cartridges it uses are easy to refill, you just pust a BB out of the way to create a hole into the ink reservoir, add ink (holding it so the ink doesn't leak out through the sponge and drip somewhere), then reseal the hole by some means. (Like a replacement BB, a small rubber BB, or package sealing tape -- you do have to seal the hole to be airtight -- I've seen another approach with a set screw and package sealing tape.) Some Canons (like the portable I used for a number of years, can't remember the number) can be refilled just by pulling out the ink cartridge turning it upside down, and dripping ink onto the exposed sponge, slow enough so that it is absorbed. That might even work with the cartridges for my BJC-3000, although it might be a much slower method. As always, buyer beware -- look at the cartridges in any printer you consider buying -- Canon probably makes some cartridges that are not nearly that easy to refill. I never had much success with HP cartridges (for example, the HP 51629A and the color partner to that cartridge) -- the instructions call for you to get a slight negative air pressure in the cartridge. Whether because I wasn't getting the right negative pressure, or the nozzles were plugging up, or whatever, only about half the cartridges I refilled worked properly afterwards. Beware also of Xerox. My uncle bought a Xerox partly on my semi-recommendation that the cartridges appeared to be as easy to refill as the Canon. They are not. I don't know if they incorporate some electronic gizmo to prevent them from being refilled or not, or what, but I had no luck at all. Half the time after reinstalling the cartridge, the printer did not recognize / accept the refilled cartridge. In addition, this cartridge looks like it might hold a fair amount of ink, but when you peel the paper cover off, you see that only about 1/8 of the possible storage volume is used to contain ink. I'm going to cut and paste this on to a WikiLearn page: see http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/RefillingInkJetCartridges. Feel free to add your own comments and experiences about refilling ink jet cartridges (or your recommendations on buying ink jet printers, on http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/BuyingInkJetPrinters. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Konqueror 2.2.2 (Mandrake 8.2): Lines don't wrap properly in textarea box
I just installed Mandrake 8.2 successfully and it's solved a few problems I had with Mandrake 8.1. But, Konqueror 2.2.2 exhibits a new problem. When I try to edit a WikiLearn (TWiki) page, the lines (in the textarea box) don't wrap properly -- they wrap at about 123 characters instead of the width of the box. (In addition, there is no horizontal scrollbar on the textarea box.) Anybody experience anything similar or know how to solve it? I've tried looking at the konqueror settings but don't see anything likely to be a help. When I remember (or find) exactly what to delete, I'll try deleting the .kde files and restart kde to see if that helps. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Star Office 6 Adabas question
D. Olson wrote: On Wednesday 05 June 2002 12:56 pm, you wrote: Where can you get a copy of dBase? It's a database format that Open/StarOffice uses, just like it supports Microsoft Word and Excel documents without you needing to use Microsoft software to edit the documents... Like I said, press F4 and add a new Data Source, of type dBase. OpenOffice is quite good with databases... If you don't like it, try MySQL. It's been a long time since I used dBase (III, III+, and IV) (on dos and Windows), but, don't you need the dBase engine in addition to whatever data Open/StarOffice puts out, to make use of the data in that format? Do you make use of the data in dBase format? With or without a dBase engine? Maybe MySQL or Postgres can handle dBase format data as an option? regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Slightly OT Mandrake stock
Alastair Scott wrote: (Of course, much of this is down to politics and dogmatism - the IS people justifying themselves by having a slightly customised version of Windows, jealously guarded and only installable from password-protected shares after fussing around with boot floppies, to stop people installing it themselves and rendering their job irrelevant). Isn't that one (almost) everyone does -- do things in the interest of keeping their job regardless of the relationship to the basic objective of the job? I mean, isn't that what copyright, patents, trade secrets, etc. are all about? Isn't that what the RIAA and so forth are fighting about? Isn't that why there are laws in most american towns about who can be a barber / hairdresser, and who can and cannot buy hair dressing tools / supplies? Isn't that what Microsoft is trying to do? And IBM, HP, Sun, Solaris, Apple, ...? Isn't that why we have millions of lines (pages?) of laws? Isn't that what farm subsidies are all about? Don't welfare workers want to continue to have clients? Don't drug enforcers want drug traffickers? Is there an alternate approach? just today's cynical $.02 Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT Journaling, gotta love it
Just to provide another datapoint: I run three (older) boxes on one UPS rated at 300 VA, 180 Watts. The power supplies total 750 watts (IINM (If I'm Not Mistaken) -- 2 200s and 1 350)). 2 cpus are ~300 MHz, 3rd is 700 MHz, all AMD. I also am looking for protection from short outages (2-60 seconds). UPS is Conexant. Includes an indicator light to show if the UPS is overloaded -- no indication so far. One day I will try a fourth system. BTW, if you live near a Staples, Staples had (and might still have) a $40 rebate running on two different brand 500 VA UPSs (Conexant and APC, IIRC), brought the price down to $10. Nothing fancy like a serial output to shut down your computer, but will do quite well if you deal mainly with short outages like I do. Randy Kramer Lee wrote: I have 4 boxes on one ups. 1200 watt supply Just the boxes. No monitors or anything else. I'm probably pushing my luck, though. We have many small outages this time of year and I haven't run out of volts yet. On Wednesday 29 May 2002 10:17 am, daRcmaTTeR wrote: Just out of curiosity, how many systems can you safely run on one UPS? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT Journaling, gotta love it
daRcmaTTeR wrote: How about it Randy K.? you guys down your way getting any of these storms or are they petered out till then get to that end of the state? We had a good downpour a few nights ago, and some rain, but not all that much, and not enough to end the drought concern. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] A Qestion of Memory
John, You've done well so far, finding a bug that is apparently the same problem you are having. The next thing you must do is try to determine whether the 22 Apr 2002 report that the problem is fixed in CVS means that the fix: * should be in the version of KSpread that you have (meaning that the bug really is not fixed, and you should update the bug to tell the developer it is not fixed), or * should be in a version of KSpread that is already released but you don't have yet (meaning you should think about upgrading), or * should be in the next version to be released (meaning you need to wait for a new version to be released -- unless you want to try to compile your own upgraded version which I do not recommend -- just because I would find that painful to do). I don't follow KSpread well enough to know which is the case, but based on the 22 Apr 2002 fix date, I suspect we have to wait for the next version of kde/kspread to be released. If you do have to update the bug report, you can do so by emailing more information to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Include all the information that is relevant, save a sample file that demonstrates the problem, and offer to send it the developer on request (unless you have a web site or something similar where you can make it available for download). Randy Kramer John Richard Smith wrote: By way of a final conclusion to this interesting thread. I found on http://bugs.kde.org/db/31/31/31753.html an interesting report I reproduce here :- KDE bug report logs - #31753 slow load save timePackage: kspread; Reported by: cktwo at mehring ca; Done: Philipp =?iso-8859-1?q?M=FCller?= philipp mueller at gmx de; Maintainer for kspread is Montel Laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Send additional info to 31753 at bugs.kde.org. Message received at bugs.kde.org: From: Philipp =?iso-8859-1?q?M=FCller?= philipp.mueller at gmx.de Reply-To: philipp.mueller at gmx.de To: 31753-done at bugs.kde.org Subject: Re: slow load save time Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 21:44:59 +0200 Thank you for your bug report. The bug that you reported has been identified, and has been fixed in the latest development (CVS) version of KDE. The bug report will be closed. Notification sent to cktwo at mehring.ca: Bug acknowledged by developer. Full text available. Reply sent to philipp.mueller at gmx.de: You have taken responsibility. Full text available. Message received at bugs.kde.org: Date: 29 Aug 2001 06:52:34 - Subject: slow load save time From: cktwo at mehring.ca Package: kspread Version: 1.1 (using KDE 2.2.0 ) Severity: normal Installed from: RedHat RPMs Compiler: Not Specified OS: Linux OS/Compiler notes: Not Specified When loading a simple/small spreadsheet, it takes a long time to load and save. It got worse it seems from 1.1Rc 1 to 1.1final On a P1000 it takes about 10 seconds, on P300, about 1 minute I have made the file available at: ftp://mehring.ca/pub/kspreadslow.ksp (Submitted via bugs.kde.org) (Called from KBugReport dialog. Fields Application, KDE Version, OS, Compiler manually changed) Acknowledgement sent to cktwo at mehring.ca: New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Montel Laurent lmontel at mandrakesoft.com. Full text available. Report forwarded to kde-bugs-dist at master.kde.org, Montel Laurent [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bug#31753; Package kspread. Full text available. Stephan Kulow / [EMAIL PROTECTED], through the KDE bug database Last modified: 05:39:02 GMT Wed 22 May (timestamp page available). Please note, The bug that you reported has been identified, and has been fixed in the latest development (CVS) version of KDE. Well, LM8.2 has ksp 1.1.1(using KDE2.2.2) so I tried loading it in there (I haven't started using my new computer yet , still getting things just right) This machine is an AMD Athlon1800 ,more than 3 times the processor power, and 4 times the memory, and the same file took 7 seconds, and I would say that equates roughly equal to the 21seconds it took on my current machine. I don't think this version is fixed at all. What would you do to report a bug ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] A Qestion of Memory
John Richard Smith wrote: Oh, yes, That's the nature of averages, you have to start the first line so many horizontal (H)columns down, so 10day moving average starts at horizontal line 10, 30 at H30, 50 at H50, 89 at H89,200 at H200, and so on, Ahh, OK, now I understand what your data is -- originally I didn't know whether you were perhaps collecting data for example every 15 minutes and generating, for example, a 2 hour moving average. (I guess I could have pieced this out by looking at your sample file more closely ;-) BTW, just for the record, I would characterize your spreadsheets as very small at this point in time, and would expect that you can use a spreadsheet (something faster to load than KSpread) for a long time to come. I would say the developers at kde resposible for kspread need to look into this urgently. Yes, I wonder if anybody has filed a bug -- are you willing to try it? I suppose I could, though I'm hardly a racing hot computer buff. To be honest I don't know anything about how to go about it. Still, I will, and suggestions how? Well, I'll give you some hints -- for me now it would involve a fair amount of searching to recall how to do it -- basically: * Go to the kde website (IIRC) it's www.kde.org. * Look for something about reporting bugs, or, look for something specific about KSpread (IIRC, they keep one common database buglist (bugzilla) to report bugs for all their applications * Are you using the most recent version of KSpread? Last time I tried to report a bug, the instructions didn't want to allow it because I was using an older version of whatever application I was going to report on (it was probably konqueror), because I've taken to upgrading kde when a new Mandrake install includes an updated version -- and, my experimental machine is still at Mandrake 8.1 (my production machine is at Mandrake 7.2). * When you get to the place where you can report bugs, they will want you to make a reasonable effort to confirm that you are not reporting a bug that is already reported, I ususally try a search on a few likely key words, if no duplicate bug is found, I'll report my bug, but I usually say something like I tried a search on [slow loading] and [something else] (for example), and could not find a duplicate -- it lets them know you tried. * Describe the bug, tell them the version of KSpread you're using, the processor speed, amount of RAM memory, in this case something about the disk size and type (IDE vs. SCSI). Maybe a good clue to mention is that the same size spreadsheet loads in 1 1/2 seconds in Gnumeric on the same hardware, 1 second in Excel on slower hardware. Let me know how you make out. regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] A Qestion of Memory
John Richard Smith wrote: Randy, you mentioned earlier in the thread about database programmes, like MySQL. I find I have MySQL ,it comes with the distro. I installed it and find that it's a command line programme, and well yes, I know if you look in mysql --help you will get a list of commands and options etc, but you know it's a bit like going up to a chef and asking him to create a dish he has never heard of with nothing but a collection of ingredients to go by, not even a hint of what combination of command s to start with. I assume one puts up a shell and begin there. ? So as it stands I haven't a clue what to do to use the programme. I just responded to one of your other emails, and mentioned that your spreadsheet is quite small and you should be able to stick with a spreadsheet for years to come (but something faster than the current speed of Kspread). I was somehow envisioning a much bigger spreadsheet, with you perhaps collecting 10 or 100s of data samples per day -- at this point I'd stick with a spreadsheet, but you may still wish to learn more about a database just for general knowledge or possible future use. One point you mention below is correct -- AFAIK, most spreadsheets load all their data into RAM memory, a database keeps the data on disk, and only loads specific things when required -- thus, it can handle much larger quantities of data. I learned databases more or less in the dos/Windows world, with things like dBase III, III+, and IV, Paradox, Rbase, and Access. They basically come with a built in GUI (well, maybe that's not a real accurate statement to make for the earlier things -- not a GUI like we're used to, but stuff to make it easy to set up programs to interface to the data without very much programming). I'm just getting into Linux, but MySQL and Postgres are more like the raw database engine behind programs (applications) like dBase, Paradox, and Access -- I'm not aware that they have a GUI front end unless you (or somebody else) has built one to serve your specific purpose. Hopefully, someone else can provide additional information. Randy Kramer Now I also wondered whether there was such a thing as a gui front end to this backend type programme. Anyone got any knowledge ? Also, I would like to understand, what if any is the difference between using a spreadsheet programme and using a database programme. What is the technical difference between them, do they work in different ways. In the spreadsheet programmes it would seem , the programme and the data are all loaded into memory, perhaps database programmes like MySQL work differently ? I don't know ! But if database programmes exist they must offer some technical advantage, what is it ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
