Re: So what is the value of a used *ist-DS?
On Jul 27, 2006, at 6:42 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: Hopefully the local store here (National Camera Exchange), from which I purchased my DS, will have the K100D in stock so I can check it out. Something to do during our 100+ degree weekend! As I have discovered, the DS2 works just fine in extreme heat and direct sunlight, at least for three straight hours. So I think you'll be okay! ;) Compare the LCDs -- the K100D LCD is better in pretty much every way. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: So what is the value of a used *ist-DS?
On Jul 27, 2006, at 6:46 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: ..and faster autofocus. Does it have an upgraded AF system? That IS a plus. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: So what is the value of a used *ist-DS?
On Jul 27, 2006, at 10:17 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: but I'm often surprised by what the AF system thinks is the most important thing in a scene when it's set on automatic. Hehe, I don't think I'd ever trust a machine to make that determination, no matter how smart it supposedly is. I guess that's why I never use the program modes either. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
He's more advanced than Eliza... more like MegaHAL. USER: Live and die for Slayer! MEGAHAL: A COMPUTER CANNOT DIE FOR SLAYER -Aaron -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Thu Jul 27, 2006 11:20 pm Size: 584 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Hey, what about my Theory that knarf is an auto reply Eliza program? Mark Roberts wrote: Norman Baugher wrote: From: Tom C Not to mention that the USSR never doubted it as a fact. Just as I thought!! The USSR was in on the conspiracy... Norm Norm. Yeah, right. Everyone knows Norm is just a figment of Frank Theriault's imagination. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
On Jul 26, 2006, at 4:46 AM, DagT wrote: Another thing is that the responses, and some of the partially hidden accusations from Tom C and William R, does not really make me want to help them protect themselves... Great, that's fine, but what about the rest of us? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
On Jul 26, 2006, at 10:41 AM, graywolf wrote: Then you would not object to paying me to teach a course about Perpetual Motion Engineering at the University of Toronto? You should see what I'm already paying to have taught at U of T. Sure, if you're an international expert in the field and don't mind smartass students tearing up your work. A friend of mine was notorious for basically throwing five years of genetic research at U of T into disrepute because he showed that the fruitfly population in their lab was so inbred that it mutated at random and was no good for experiments, and that the results of any recent experiments were invalid. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
On Jul 26, 2006, at 11:06 AM, keith_w wrote: When I pay for my child to get an education, I do NOT wish that so-caalled education to consist of piling bushels of input on him, so he can sort them out with his unformed and untested mind. Would I be starting a crapalanche if I said something about Intelligent Design? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Keith McGuinness wrote: I don't feel that my academic freedom would be infringed in the least if he got the boot. Keith, you wouldn't feel that your academic freedom would be infringed if a professor were booted without an examination of the material or even a single person knowing what his claims actually are? Just based on a single line in a newspaper article describing what we can only assume is the most sensational part of his intended lecture, and without context? What if he's presenting it to be debunked by the class as an exercise but loses his job on the strength of this newspaper article -- would you still feel that your academic freedom had not been infringed then? What I've been trying to say (and for some reason this got me labeled as a 9/11 Denier) is that someone should, you know, find out what he's actually saying before the man is condemned for saying it. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: funny K10D story
On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Joseph Tainter wrote: Great. But where did he get his hands on a K10D? Pentax has not announced it yet. Distributors in Canada and the US have pre-release K10D bodies currently. I don't know about the rest of the world. What did you want to know? I can ask, though specific feature questions may be subject to change. I'm certain that the firmware hasn't been finalized in this body, and very likely it would be like the 540 flash that's been hanging around Pentax Canada for a year now that's pretty different from the released version --it's functional and it looks the same, but some of the features don't work or don't work in the correct way. Apparently the 540 was held back and underwent some changes to be more compatible with the new K-series DSLRs, and that's what caused its delay. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
And what were they? The article is very vague. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:33 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net I saw him on televison Aaron. The claims came from his own mouth. He was not teaching the class how to discern truth from falsehood. Tom C. From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:55:20 -0400 On Jul 26, 2006, at 5:27 PM, Keith McGuinness wrote: I don't feel that my academic freedom would be infringed in the least if he got the boot. Keith, you wouldn't feel that your academic freedom would be infringed if a professor were booted without an examination of the material or even a single person knowing what his claims actually are? Just based on a single line in a newspaper article describing what we can only assume is the most sensational part of his intended lecture, and without context? What if he's presenting it to be debunked by the class as an exercise but loses his job on the strength of this newspaper article -- would you still feel that your academic freedom had not been infringed then? What I've been trying to say (and for some reason this got me labeled as a 9/11 Denier) is that someone should, you know, find out what he's actually saying before the man is condemned for saying it. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: funny K10D story
I'll see if I can find out about the battery. He didn't call it the K10D, he called it the ten megapixel Pentax DSLR that's coming out in the fall. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: funny K10D story Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:47 pm Size: 910 bytes To: pdml@pdml.net Great. But where did he get his hands on a K10D? Pentax has not announced it yet. Distributors in Canada and the US have pre-release K10D bodies currently. I don't know about the rest of the world. What did you want to know? I can ask, though specific feature questions may be subject to change - Great, Aaron. My big question right now is whether it requires a proprietary rechargeable battery. Or is there a way to put throwaway batteries in it? There's a big fuss about this over at dpreview. A Swedish newspaper reported that it takes a proprietary battery like the Nikon D200. This made me unhappy because sometimes I shoot in places that don't have electricity -- like my work in the Sahel of Mali, or just a domestic camping trip. So it really is called the K10D? Thanks much. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: funny K10D story
It takes AA batteries -- that was one of the things he himself was interested in knowing. He's cagey about the name and is probably not supposed to say anything about it. He takes great pains to not call it the K10D, for whatever that's worth. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: funny K10D story Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:47 pm Size: 910 bytes To: pdml@pdml.net Great. But where did he get his hands on a K10D? Pentax has not announced it yet. Distributors in Canada and the US have pre-release K10D bodies currently. I don't know about the rest of the world. What did you want to know? I can ask, though specific feature questions may be subject to change - Great, Aaron. My big question right now is whether it requires a proprietary rechargeable battery. Or is there a way to put throwaway batteries in it? There's a big fuss about this over at dpreview. A Swedish newspaper reported that it takes a proprietary battery like the Nikon D200. This made me unhappy because sometimes I shoot in places that don't have electricity -- like my work in the Sahel of Mali, or just a domestic camping trip. So it really is called the K10D? Thanks much. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
I think I know why this conversation is confusing me -- in Canada, colleges and universities are different animals. You go to college for a targeted, practical education. You go to university to acquire letters to place behind your name on your resume. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:07 pm Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net David Savage wrote: At 07:35 AM 27/07/2006, William Robb wrote: From: keith_w I expect, no demand, that any education I pay for is valid and of use, not some pap that must be discarded later because not only isn't it true, but it runs against logic and science. Junk... Then send him to trade school, not university. We need people to make the mundane stuff like houses more than we need another crop of university educated buffoons. Too true. At the moment a good tradesman (Electrician, carpenter, welder, fitter turner etc.) can make more than any university educated fast food technician. Speaking as a newly-inducted member of academia and the teaching staff of a university... I agree completely. You should go to a college/university to learn about something if the goal of your learning is *learning*. If the goal of your learning is getting a job, go to trade school because it's a situation in which everyone wins: Your future employer wins, the trade school you go to wins and the university you don't go to wins. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Toyota hybrid-electric drive system
Seriously? No wonder we're so happy with our fuel consumption in the Golf. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Considering the Prius gets only slightly worse fuel efficiency numbers than a Golf TDI, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
This seems to imply that Pearl Harbor was something the US government was in on -- what nonsense! He should be terminated for trying to fill your youths' head full of tripe like that. I mean honestly... -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. After reviewing all the evidence, he concludes that 9/11 was a new Pearl Harbor, an inside job designed by intelligence agencies and most likely commanded and authorized by Cheney. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re; funny K10D story
The camera he handled had a front control wheel and an optional portrait release grip, like the D. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re; funny K10D story Date: Wed Jul 26, 2006 10:54 pm Size: 794 bytes To: pdml@pdml.net Now the question is: which camera did he handle? By some reports there will be two 10 mp cameras -- a D replacement and a DS replacement. But it looked like the D replacement was going to be released first. It has been shown. A DS replacement hasn't. But I'm feeling better. There will be a 10 mp camera with shake reduction that takes disposable batteries. I just hope it has the controls of the D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Talk about crap
On Jul 25, 2006, at 7:22 AM, Don Williams wrote: Here's the point since you haven't got it: Someone prepared to teach students something which flies in the face of indisputable evidence has to be absolutely crazy, or the story itself is bullshit. While I agree that the concept is repugnant, I have not evaluated his evidence and I suspect that you have not either -- it's hard to call it bullshit without hearing what he has to say. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
On Jul 25, 2006, at 8:32 AM, Bob Shell wrote: Personally, I don't doubt for a minute that men actually landed on the moon, walked around, drove around, hit golf balls, etc. But at the same time I do think some of the moon photographs are fakes. I've read some interesting and compelling arguments for the fakery of the moon photographs, but I've read even more interesting and compelling debunkings of those arguments. That's part of why it's so important to let people talk about this stuff -- you get specifics that you can examine and attempt to counter. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
I don't think you have a good grasp of the professor's claims, Paul. Like I said, when you try to shut people up instead of engaging them, you lose your chance to disprove their claims. -Aaron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:52 am Size: 3K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net I have to agree with Don on this one. Yes, the professor has a right to profess his beliefs, but that doesn't make them credible. All Don said was that this man's premise was bullshit. And bullshit is obviously what he's spreading. Why waste anyone's time with that? How can anyone believe for even a moment that an event witnessed by thousands and seen on live television didn't take place? By granting someone the status of professor, it's implied that the person has useful knowledge to impart. This man obviously doesn't. Furthermore, while a university may be considered a place of higher learning. undergratuate courses are largely a teaching environment. To think that seventeen year olds aren't impressionable is nieve. Paul -- Original message -- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7/25/06, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which part do you consider bullshit? What the man proposes to teach, or the university defending his right to teach it? Personally, I think freedom of speech must encompass ideas that the mainstream considers repugnant. Right you are, Bob! For one thing, at university, they call them professors for a reason. To profess is merely to affirm a belief. At a post-secondary level, the assumption is that students are at a level that they can research the professors affirmations and form their own opinions as to whether the professor is right or wrong. Up to the end of high school we have teachers. To teach is to impart knowledge. The distinction between teachers and professors is an important one. This guy in Wisconson may (or may not be) a nutbar, but I defend his right to lecture whatever he wants. Moreso, I defend his university's right to pay him and have him lecture there. The fact that tax dollars go to that university does not give the taxpayers or the legislature the right to demand that the guy gets sacked. At most, it gives them the right to pull those tax dollars out of the place, but then 90% or more of the students will be harmed due to (what's portrayed as) the rantings of this loonie. The other thing, of course, is that perhaps, just perhaps, if someone actually sat in on this guy's course and read the materials, he might have a few accurate things to say, and he might have evidence to back up his assertions. Stranger things have happened. It's hard to judge based on a newspaper article - and a biased one, at that. I've got to admit, I always wondered how it is that the Pentagon isn't one of the best defended buildings in the world, with all the latest detection devices and radar and defences. I've always thought it a bit strange that something as complex and difficult to pilot as a modern airliner, flown by a rank amateur, managed to get through those defences and score a direct hit. I'm not saying this guy's right, but it makes one wonder. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
Sorry, did I read your message wrong? There's nothing in the article about 9/11 not happening, merely a claim about US government involvment. Personally I think the idea is silly, but I won't dismiss someone's claims without actually hearing them. -Aaron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:25 am Size: 315 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net -- Original message -- From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think you have a good grasp of the professor's claims, Paul. Then you don't think very clearly, Aaron. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
On Jul 25, 2006, at 12:25 PM, Tom C wrote: You and Aaron and the rest of the world didn't watch two fully fueled jetliners crash into the buildings on TV? Huh? Why do I get labeled as a 9/11 denier because I want to actually hear what his claims are before I call his claims bullshit? And where does he claim that no jetliners hit the building or that 9/11 didn't happen? I don't call moon landing fake claims bullshit -- I look at the photos and read the reasons why the claimant thinks they're fake and then determine for myself what I believe (and I believe that the moon landings happened and that a lot of people on the internet don't understand scale, directional lighting, depth of field, perspective, atmosphere, film processing, lens design theory and a host of other things). But just because the last guy was full of crap with his claims, I don't dismiss the next guy without seeing what it is that he's claiming. I saw a jetliner hit a building on TV. It was a sad and horrible day. Why is it a bad thing to learn more about what happened? Reading crackpot theories can be just as illuminating as reading the official analysis, because the crackpots often hit on key elements that bear further study. More often than not, further study debunks their claims -- but we learn more in the process. Some people hate learning, and I don't know why. They know what happened, don't want to think about it anymore, all done, no further study. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
On Jul 25, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Tom C wrote: I agree somewhat with your sentiment, but I wouldn't go to an insane asylum just to get a different viewpoint that might, maybe, could shed light on something. I'd consider it to be a probable waste of time/dead end. If it weren't for crackpots, I'd know nothing of the engineering of the buildings, of how much damage the burning fuel caused, of how easy it is to pilot a big jet if you're not taking off or landing, etc etc etc. I'd say that most of my understanding of the nuts and bolts reality of what happened on September 11th came from reading the debunking of crackpot claims. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
On Jul 25, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Tom C wrote: You're obviously talking way over my head now. Basically if someone hadn't debunked one of the crackpot theories, I would never have actually heard about those details -- they came out in the debunking. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
On Jul 25, 2006, at 3:04 PM, mike wilson wrote: Ex-wives might be a safer option. OH OH Frank has one of those!! ;) -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Talk about crap
Tom, if there's nothing you can learn from debunking fake moon landing claims, you know all about the atmosphere or lack thereof on the moon and how light behaves in it, to name merely one thing. I'm not saying that you have to believe the claims, I'm saying that there is a lot to be learned in the discussion that's tangental. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Tom C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Talk about crap Date: Tue Jul 25, 2006 4:09 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net The thing is the moon landing fraud claims are so ludicrous as to be laughable. No need to debunk each claim one by one. The entire Apollo project was so demonstrably big, over a number of years, employing 1000's, if not tens of 1000's of people, not to mention those overseas connected with the project and the landings themselves that were not part of NASA or the US government. How would it be possible to maintain a conspiracy that large? The consciences of hundreds of whistleblowers would have prompted them to scream and shout. If the moon landig was myth, then what about the prior and subsequent space programs including the shuttle, mars, voyager, etc.? The fact that the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment equipment set up on the moon by Apollo 11 astronauts is still being used today by independent universities, provides ample proof. Not to mention that the USSR never doubted it as a fact. Tom C. From: Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Talk about crap Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:46:06 -0400 On Jul 25, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: I've read some interesting and compelling arguments for the fakery of the moon photographs, but I've read even more interesting and compelling debunkings of those arguments. Same here. That's part of why it's so important to let people talk about this stuff -- you get specifics that you can examine and attempt to counter. Right. Let the nuts speak. Otherwise you may never know what they might say. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
FA 28-70 f4 AL
So I hear that a lot of people like this lens, other than its tendency to split apart. I've never been one for zooms, and so I never considered buying it. However, I've come across one. Someone convince me to keep it, or not keep it. I'm unlikely to ever use it on film (because it won't fit on my 67). I have an SMC-M 28mm f2.8, a Super Takumar 35mm f2.0 and an SMC-F 50mm f1.4 in the range this fellow covers. Tell me why I'd want to keep it. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay: That should teach him...
NOT SAFE FOR WORK On Jul 24, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: This bugger has not only stolen my picture but the complete description as well: http://cgi.ebay.com/Minox-35-GT_W0QQitemZ260005633309 Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005 Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Ebay: That should teach him...
Ah, the new picture is far more office friendly than the sodomy close-up that was there before. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: credentials
You win the internet. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: OT: credentials Date: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:25 pm Size: 862 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Paul Stenquist yields about 100 pages. That makes me twice as famous as Bob, at least seven time more famous than God, and 24 times more famous than P.J. What do I win?? :-)). Paul Paul On Jul 23, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Bob Shell wrote: On Jul 23, 2006, at 6:40 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I get no hits for P. J. Ailing at all. G How about trying P. J. Alling? ;-) Tried it. Got four pages of Google hits. Tried Godfrey DiGiorgi and got 13 pages. Tried Bob Shell and got 47 pages. So, does this mean that Godfrey is more than three times as famous as P.J.? And does it mean I am nearly 12 times as famous? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: credentials
Oh, come on -- someone calls him a liar and he can't defend himself? -Aaron -Original Message- From: Don Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: OT: credentials Date: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:44 pm Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Godfrey, may I call you God for short? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: credentials
On Jul 23, 2006, at 8:37 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We'll have to get Al Gore's okay on that. Or is he busy making movies:-)?? But when he makes them, they're motion pictographics -- a format he invented and popularized. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New telephoto lenses?
On Jul 23, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Keith McGuinness wrote: What would we use instead? Cream of wheat. Really, try it! It works. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: credentials
30,200 with my name in quotation marks, 6,230,000 without -- but the number one hit in both cases is ACTUALLY ME. Hah, beat THAT! -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
It won't be available for free without buying a new camera. -Aaron -Original Message- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K100d Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 10:16 am Size: 368 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: K100d http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/manual/K100D_PhotoBrowser_Laboratory3%20Manual.pdf Dang, I was hoping from Dario's message that they had the software available online. Thanks Peter. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Jump
DagT, ridiculing the laws of another country, even when they deserve to be ridiculed, does not make them less applicable to inhabitants of those countries. Our child pornography laws over-reach and have terrible consequences for innocent people who run afoul of them. I think they are poorly thought out and badly implemented. Despite my disagreement with them, I am not immune from prosecution. A large portion of this list are from North America and are subject to the same idiotic laws. In deference to these people, can you please post a content warning with your links? Recently, a man spent several months in jail on child pornography charges. He was turned in by a photofinisher (who is obligated under the law to report anything vaguely resembling child porn ) for a photograph of him kissing his infant's belly. He was held without bail because a seizure and search of his computer turned up photos of a relative's children frolicking in a sprinkler in the backyard -- not even saved pictures, but cached ones, because the relative had made an online gallery and sent him the link. Of course, when it went to trial the case was thrown out, but the man lost months of his life. Yes, I live in a country with stupid laws. But I would be more stupid to ignore them and put myself at risk. I am no martyr and I don't want to miss out on any part of my son's life because I wasn't careful. -Aaron -Original Message- From: DagT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: PESO - Jump Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:55 pm Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Den 21. jul. 2006 kl. 15.30 skrev William Robb: - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: PESO - Jump Why do they need to be naked? Paedophiles sexualise children. End of story. _Any_ child photo is fair game. May be end of story in your mind, ut you could try reading the rest of the story. Child porn laws sexualize children, and therin lies the problem for people who innocently click on an internet link. If you can be prosecuted for finding something by accident on an internet link you should stay off the internet. Either that, or you are being more than a little bit paranoid. Here´s a nice little story: My wife had a rare family name when I met her. I think there were 28 people in Norway, and probably in the world, with that name. So, you should think it was safe to make a search on that name on the internet. The third hit on Altavista was, however, to a pornographic web site featuring schoolgirls. So, if that happened at an office in the US or in Canada I could be arrested? Wow! Oh, and by the way, the explanation was probably simple as one of the persons with that name is an HTML programmer, and one of the modules he has made may have been used by the website. Maybe he could have been arrested as well? DagT -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K100d
I asked and that's what they told me. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: K100d Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 5:26 pm Size: 365 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net How do you know it? Version 2 was released as free for every Pentax user, I hope they'll do the same with Browser/Laboratory 3 ;-) On 21.07.06, at 20:31 , Aaron Reynolds wrote: It won't be available for free without buying a new camera. -- Best regards Sylwek -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New telephoto lenses?
I think we'll see it significantly sooner than that. -Aaron -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: New telephoto lenses? Date: Fri Jul 21, 2006 8:54 pm Size: 535 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net We'll see USM in Pentax when the aperture simulator returns... Mark Roberts wrote: Pål Jensen wrote: Well, I guess a 300/4 would do particularly if Pentax (finally) make a matching 1,4X AF converter... This is purely speculation but... It would make sense to introduce new teleconverters when USM lenses start appearing. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
You guys are killing me with this, KILLING ME. I cannot afford this lens right now, and yet I have been overwhelmed with lens lust. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
On Jul 19, 2006, at 5:50 AM, David Savage wrote: I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or 70. I want fast primes, not small. There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:36 AM, David Savage wrote: I hope that's not the case for any future limited lenses. If it is, then I doubt I'll buy any of them. I'm not tempted by either the 21 or 70. I want fast primes, not small. There are these three other Limited lenses available, just for you. ;) I know. I already have 2. I just mean that when the DA Limited lineup overlaps directly on the FA lineup (I'm thinking of the 40 - 43 and 70 - 77) and in those instances the lenses are smaller and slower, I don't think you have to panic -- they're not bigger and faster because those lenses already exist and are reasonably current in their larger/faster incarnation. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Flatiron
On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:03 AM, Adam Maas wrote: I agree, going to try this shot again with the tops of the towers to see what I can get. I was going to say, the elements that are close to being whole but that get cut off at the top and bottom of the frame both distract me -- half a step backwards may have been the key. ;) But that's a nice shot of that building. Definitely stronger than the other one that you posted (that I saw). -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
value of 67 gear?
I was idly doing some insurance stuff, and I got to wondering if any of my 67 gear still had value on the used market and if I was over-insuring it. I realize that lenses like the 105mm f2.4 are quite common and virtually value-less, but did late lenses like the 75mm f2.8 AL retain any value? And what's a 67 body in great shape worth? Anyone keeping an eye on that market? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: value of 67 gear?
After a decade, I'm pretty speedy for film loading. All of my 67 gear was purchased new and is insured for new replacement -- I'm just curious if the market for it has crashed enough for me to lower my coverage on the kit. Peter, I highly recommend the 75mm f2.8 AL -- easily the best lens I've used in any format. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: value of 67 gear? Date: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:34 pm Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Dear Aaron I recently bought a pristine 67II a 105mm, 40mm and 165mm on Ebay for £1500. The real value is in the fantastic photos it takes. In the UK you can insure it new for old so if anything happens to it, you'll make some dealer very happy who still has stock. A second hand 800mm lens recently went for nearly £3000, a lot less than the new price but hardly insignificant. Must get back to learning to load a film in less than five minutes!! Regards Peter On 7/19/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was idly doing some insurance stuff, and I got to wondering if any of my 67 gear still had value on the used market and if I was over-insuring it. I realize that lenses like the 105mm f2.4 are quite common and virtually value-less, but did late lenses like the 75mm f2.8 AL retain any value? And what's a 67 body in great shape worth? Anyone keeping an eye on that market? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: funny K10D story
It's not that Jens is wrong, it's that he blames his camera for the fact that he spends a lot of time on post-production. His problem is simply his style of shooting. -Aaron -Original Message- From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: funny K10D story Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:20 am Size: 3K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Yes, I believe in cropping. In fact I usually shoot with the intent of cropping as part of the processing. One of the many reason mini-lab prints never quite did it for me (short of using a pair of scissors, grin). With event photography one has to shoot tightly because develop and print is the only way to make a profit at the low prices you get paid. I will always remember the Speed Graphic ad from back in the 50's that was titled One Good Negative, Seven Great Photos in which they showed seven crops from the negative that were entirely different pictures from each other. SO! If the crop is planned from the start it is no different than a full frame shot except that one has the choice of formats other than the one native to the camera. I agree with Jens on this one. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Jens Bladt wrote: Well, there is IMO. I can't always know exactly how I want to use the image. I often see posibilities in an image AFTER it's has been taken. A smile my turn out differently, the angle of the eyes. A shoulder that is to domitating, which I did't notice because I was concentratiog on the eyes or the right smile - must be cropped away. I often decide what the main attraction is later, then I crop it accordingly to emphasize this certain quality. Photographers have always done this. Cropping. Look at all the shaot done of Marily Monroe - a website somewhere shows both the original iamge as well as the cropped, final image. SO, I'm certainly not the only one who work this way. That's probably the reason why cropping frequently is a subject for discussion at the PDML ;-) A second frame in the viewfinde could be quite usefull - especally if there's enough MP's to work with. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 17. juli 2006 15:48 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: funny K10D story There's no excuse for not getting the frame correct in a studio shot. One certainly has enough time to think about it. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: funny K10D story WOW, I must start saving real quick - the fall isn't that far ahead! For studiowork, I don't think 6MP is quite enough, because I can't really crop later. I must crop while shooting, in order to get enough resolution. Not cropping later is related to getting it right in camera, and doing less post processing. We discussed this with you last week with your exposure problems. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 07/14/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 07/14/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Developer
Frank, the method of processing is as important to know as what developer -- I love Studional, but you can't get a useable result from it in a hand tank, for example. -Aaron -Original Message- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: OT: Developer Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:51 pm Size: 765 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On 7/18/06, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frank theriault wrote: He says that he just uses regular Agfa Multigrade Developer, and prints my stuff on Agfa Pearl paper. I think that's *paper* developer, Frank. What people want to know is which developer he used for your *film*. (Though it's the interaction of film/film-developer/paper that really determines the look of your prints.) Ah, right, I get it now!! I'll be in on the weekend, and ask him what he develops the film with. That's what I thought I was asking, but apparently not. g Thanks, Mark. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Developer
I think you mean lousy scanners can't handle... ;) The SprintScan 120 much prefers a properly exposed and processed neg. A low base density is preferable, but that's also true for printing. Acros in Studional is great for this -- the base is virtually clear. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: OT: Developer Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:15 pm Size: 2K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Too thin actually means too thin. Underexposed negs are thinner than properly exposed negs. I tend to develop for slightly thinner negs as tehy scan better than ones developed to print well (Scanners can't handle as much contrast as wet paper often wants). -Adam frank theriault wrote: As all of you (or at least many of you) know, I only do film, I don't develop my own, I don't print my own, I have no interest in developing and printing. I like taking pictures and bringing them to my lab, coming back a week later and picking up negs or prints, as the case may be. As you've all noticed, the stuff I post often looks like poo. I'm not very good at scanning. Much of my early reputation as a purveyor of fuzzy pics comes from my sketchy abilities at the scanner. Every year I got to Grandfather Mountain, and every year someone new from the list looks at my pix and says, Holy crap, some of these are really really sharp. I love the way these things look! Those are amazing grey-tones. The blacks are deep, the greys are beautiful. How do you do it? More specifically, Mat Maesson asked what developer Robert the Lab Guy and Printer uses. I was speaking to him today (Robert, not Mat), and I finally remembered to ask him. He says that he just uses regular Agfa Multigrade Developer, and prints my stuff on Agfa Pearl paper. I told him about the compliments I get on how the prints look (which may have to do with lowered expectations from poor scans g), and he said a great part of how my prints (specifically) turn out has to do with my exposures, which he says are usually bang on, and never too thin (which I guess means lots of detail?). He offered the opinion (as he has on numerous occasions, and as I've previously reported to this list) that those that shoot with manual meters tend to have more consistent and better exposed negs than those who rely on AE. Of course, I'm sure there are exeptions to that rule. Or, he could just be saying all that stuff just to stroke me, and keep me coming back... vbg cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Developer
What dilution are you using? -Aaron -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] True. But I never have any luck souping those memory cards in D-76. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ...
Dunno, the DA Limiteds remind me a lot of the M series. I'm really impressed with the build and size, and of course the clutch thingamajig. The FA Limiteds are gorgeous, but I'd say the DA ones are even nicer. I don't really think I'll shoot much or any 35mm film from now on, so the lack of an aperture ring and the digital-only coverage don't bother me in the slightest. Hell, I hadn't shot any 35mm film in nearly a year BEFORE I bought the DS2. I'm glad I never got around to selling most of my 35mm lenses. -Aaron -Original Message- From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: SV: 21mm limitted is a jewel ... Date: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:13 pm Size: 561 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net At 02:36 AM 19/07/2006, Mark Roberts wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: It's a DA limited, at 21mm its more like a 28mm on 35mm film. Not that great for panoramas. Still it looks like nice wide angle lens, too bad it doesn't have an aperture ring. The lack of an aperture ring doesn't bother me as much as the lack of speed. f/3.2 is just too slow for me to get very excited about. Certainly not excited enough to pay Limited prices. Ditto. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DS2 extreme heat torture test
On Jul 17, 2006, at 8:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind you with a black lens and black body, it got pretty hot to hold sometimes. I heard the Nikon guys curse a few times. One guy was using a lens that not only was black but was shiny -- I thought that must've been a pain to hold in the sun. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Found some unoficcial K100D test shots
Frank, imagine the amount of shake you have now, but with way more depth of field. -Aaron -Original Message- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Found some unoficcial K100D test shots Date: Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:14 pm Size: 412 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On 7/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't wait to shoot birds with a handheld 800 mm. Hey, Steady, Don't you do that now? LOL cheers, frank PS: I'll never buy image stabilization. It'll ruin the look... -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DS2 extreme heat torture test
On Jul 16, 2006, at 12:00 AM, David Savage wrote: Don't forget your wide brimmed hat either ;-) Sadly, I don't have one that will fit on my gigantic head. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: funny K10D story
On Jul 16, 2006, at 12:42 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: But that's not a 10MP body, is it? Hi Jens -- the K10D (not the K110D) is a 10MP body. It is a higher-end machine than the current offerings. You'd probably want it if you played with it. It'll be out in the fall. The clutch I played with was on the new 40mm limited pancake. It also appears on the new primes. Someone who's played with the new zooms will have to tell you whether or not it appears on those as well. The clutch works on any body, though the lenses have no aperture ring so they are not fully compatible with older bodies. -Aaron3w -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K10D battery grip? (Was Re: funny K10D story)
On Jul 16, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Stan Halpin wrote: Aaron (or others) - do you know (or could you tell from the body base plate) if the K10D is planned to have an add-on battery grip like the *ist-D? It will have a vertical release grip. I can only guess whether or not it has batteries in it, though it would make little sense for it NOT to contain batteries. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: DS2 extreme heat torture test
On Jul 16, 2006, at 9:05 AM, David Savage wrote: Don't forget your wide brimmed hat either ;-) Sadly, I don't have one that will fit on my gigantic head. LOL. And after all that, I forgot my cap. I had to go buy something at the team store that had no team logo on it -- a tough proposition. I would have bought a Canadian National Baseball team cap, but they didn't have my size. I ended up having to buy a Jays cap with a black-on-black embroidered logo that was really tiny. Camera performed normally in the heat with one exception -- while using it in portrait orientation, the card door got very, very hot. I popped it open to change cards and the card flew straight up into the air like it had been fired out of a cannon! I caught it on the way down. Of course, everyone else in the camera bay saw it because it was in between innings. Apparently I looked really nonchalant about catching it, because one of the other guys asked me Is it supposed to do that? The images were fine on the card. Dunno why it did that. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Fuji Superia Realia 100
Reala is aged to a specific point and then refrigerated and shipped. When handled properly, from roll to roll it should be virtually identical. Superia Reala is shipped earlier in its life cycle and allowed to age on the shelf. Because of this, there will be minor variations from batch to batch and roll to roll. I've heard but not had it confirmed that the quality tolerances for Superia Reala are not as strict. Ultimately, in a non-professional application* you will not see the difference (and even in a pro application, depending on how you work, you may not see a difference). Buy whichever one is on sale. ;) *Using Reala, theoretically you can photograph an object under controlled lighting on one roll then skip on out to the local pro shop the next day and buy another roll, photograph the object again and come up with two absolutely identical negatives. Your lab has to be consistent, though. From a practical standpoint, this is useful to the volume product shooter** so he can easily make enlargements that all match without altering colour or density settings on his enlarger. If you wanted to shoot a job on Superia Reala you'd be fine as long as the film was stored well and you bought all the same batch -- the rolls would all match each other, just not the next pile you bought. **though he was probably shooting transparencies before, and now digital. Keep in mind I'm talking about really minor differences. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Toralf Lund [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Fuji Superia Realia 100 Date: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:33 pm Size: 798 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Did some of you film lovers out there just say that the Realia 100 was a Minor typo, there, or rather reado, if you know what I mean ;-) (I've seen references to this film only a few times in the past, and have somehow always read the name as Realia), but I'm sure you all know understood what I was talking about. Also, what's printed on the box is Superia Reala, or actually REALA in big print, and SUPERIA in somewhat smaller letters above it. My understanding has been that (plain) Reala and Superia Reala is essentially the same film, although there have been different generations. This is based on e.g. http://www.vanwensveen.nl/photography/fujiguide.html - Toralf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
DS2 extreme heat torture test
Anyone who wants to know how the DS2 fares in extreme heat and humidity can ask me tomorrow night -- I'm covering the Jays - Mariners game Sunday afternoon. It starts at 1:00 on a day that is forecast to break all heat records for this part of the world at this time of year, and I will be using the DS2 in direct sunlight for about three hours. Yes, I am going to wear sunscreen. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Backwards Compatibility
On Jul 14, 2006, at 5:18 AM, Christian wrote: The original statement was that it was not possible to mount a FD lens on an EOS body. based on one attempt at a camera club without the required adapter. Regardless of tradeoffs (optical adapter) it IS possible. Different and inferior is for another debate which I will not involve myself in. As correct as your argument is, I can mount a Canon FD lens on my Volkswagen Golf. That does not make it anything useful to the spirit of the original statement. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: WhiBal?
On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: What's the need for cards and things when the white balance can be set in raw converters? Maybe they're useful when shooting JPEG or TIFF? I've been in places that do not conform to any of the normal white balance options -- it's useful to set a custom WB to keep from having to do that work in post. Or, like me, if you shoot jpeg. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: So. Whos getting the K10d right away or are we waiting.
On Jul 14, 2006, at 12:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still smarting from the D2H header i made So are a lot of people, Dave -- a lot of people have lost a lot of shots because of that bugger. I know someone who's buying one as soon as it's released. I'll play with his, since he'll be wanting to borrow my lenses all the time. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Jul 14, 2006, at 11:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used Delta 3200 for the most part, generally in 6x7 format. I rated it at 1600 but developed it for 3200. I found the negs were too thin when processed according to Ilford's recommendation for 1600. I used both T-Max developer and D-76. The results were vewry similar. Switch over to DD-X and you'll be much happier with the negs at 3200. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Jul 14, 2006, at 8:28 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Is Tri-X no longer King of the Hill? Do digi shooters care? http://www.lookingglassphoto.com/funwfilm.html From the article: Is it just too cynical to think they’ve found a cheaper way to manufacture these films? Whatever changes they’ve made to Tri-X and Plus-X have not been beneficial to the working photographer. Yes, they did find a cheaper way to make them -- they abandoned Plus-X and Tri-X's original film bases and now make them on TMax's base. A sign that they were not at all the same films: Kodak gave us a big pack of sample rolls, not to give out, but to re-calibrate our processing. The six months I spent trying to differentiate new and old Tri-X to make sure I processed it all properly were not exactly all fun. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: B and W Film Tests by Iris Davis
On Jul 14, 2006, at 4:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Aaron. Perhaps I'll give that a try. Shooting high-speed BW film was one of my favorite ways to use medium format. Handheld heaven. Absolutely! I have a very large stock of 120 Delta 3200 here in the freezer. I used it in either DD-X or Agfa Studional -- Studional gave a little slower result but was very smooth. Studional, however, requires constant and even agitation. I used it in a Jobo, which is the kind of thing it was designed for. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Ask me anything about the Dicain SG-1 shutter grip
I got one of these gizmos a couple of weeks ago in a trade with Adam Maas that saw me abandon my rarely-used LX. (I bought the LX when my ME Super broke the day before a gig and I just happened to stumble across a well-priced LX -- used it for that gig and then bought another ME Super. Once you break free of the shutter speed dial it's incredibly hard to go back.) http://www.dicain.com/2002/zb/view.php?id=noticeno=61 I've been fooling around with it for a couple of weeks and intend to use it during a job this weekend. I haven't had time to write up a review, but I'll gladly answer questions about it. Briefly: CONS The DS2 was not designed to take a vertical release grip, so your control is limited to the shutter button. The hollow area under the grip seems to magnify the sound of the shutter and AF. Slightly lighter in colour than the DS2 body. Ugly as sin. PROS It actually works. It's well balanced yet doesn't add much weight to the kit. The pop-out wired remote includes a lock for bulb exposures. It appears to have made my hand-held verticals far more stable at low shutter speeds. All in all, it is very much what I was expecting and I'm happy with it. So, what do you want to know? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 70mm macro lens?
On Jul 13, 2006, at 11:53 AM, Perry Pellechia wrote: I guess the next question would be how were these lenses designed. Were the shooting for 30mm and ended up with a 31mm? I would have thought that they would have been designed using some sort of computer system and the mathematics would have been more precise. I thought I had read that the Limiteds were designed by idiosyncratic lens designers who were allowed to do pretty much what they wanted. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Thanks to Godfrey and others
I recently had a six-year-old make fun of my Croatian. Not only did he make fun of my pronunciation, but he called all of his friends over, did an impression of my pronunciation (which made the other six-year-olds howl with laughter) and begged me to speak again to entertain them all. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is in fact second. My Hebrew skills leave much to be desired. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Thanks to Godfrey and others
Neither does Vanessa Reynolds, née Vanessa Rutledge. But Ivonka Rutledge, née Ivonka Lustig, well that kind of does. So when the mother-in-law and grandmother-in-law (along with about a thousand cousins) speak it, and the wife understands a lot and speaks a little, you have to at least make an effort. Especially when you look Croatian enough that all the cousins automatically switch over to Croatian when speaking to you. -Aaron -Original Message- From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: Thanks to Godfrey and others Date: Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:52 pm Size: 939 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On 7/13/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently had a six-year-old make fun of my Croatian. Not only did he make fun of my pronunciation, but he called all of his friends over, did an impression of my pronunciation (which made the other six-year-olds howl with laughter) and begged me to speak again to entertain them all. Despite my name I speak little French. All three of my kids, however, went/go to French schools, so are perfectly bilingual. They used to laugh at my accent, and (like you) if their little francophone friends were over, would ask me to chat with them for their entertainment. What's a father to do? Of course I happily complied with their wishes. But tell me, Aaron, Reynolds doesn't sound very Croatian. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: My two cents on monopods
On Jul 12, 2006, at 11:42 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: ..and portrait shots are almost completely out of the question! Unless you're using longer glass, which generally has a tripod collar. And as to leaning, with longer lenses the angle of lean needed to correct your framing is very shallow when angling up or down because of the length of the lens. While a head on a monopod certainly can be useful in a number of situations, I've never seen one in the camera bay at a ball game. I personally don't have one. It would take some real convincing to get me to use one, especially with a long lens. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel
Oh, look, we can take him and his disposable e-mail address seriously now that he's made up a name for us! Peter, rest assured that if you have a camera question that none of us will help you with it. Thanks for trying to screw up our list. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Seriously Off Topic: War is starting in Israel
On Jul 12, 2006, at 1:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, blame Boris for screwing up the list. Gee, did Boris start the name-calling? Enjoy losing your ISP, by the way -- I'd start shopping now. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: My two cents on monopods
I don't use a tripod -- I use a monopod without a head. I was just saying that it would be a hard sell to get me to add a head to my monopod, especially since I'm using it primarily in that one location. -Aaron -Original Message- From: gfen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: My two cents on monopods Date: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:27 pm Size: 1005 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Aaron Reynolds wrote: While a head on a monopod certainly can be useful in a number of situations, I've never seen one in the camera bay at a ball game. I personally don't have one. It would take some real convincing to get me to use one, especially with a long lens. After using it, you'll be hooked. Its kinda self-fulfilling like that. The benefits are exceptionally useful with a long lens, where shutter speeds need to be shorter to minimize shake, in addition to the weight and space savings when hauling a monopod is easier than the tripod. There's always going to be places where the tripod is better, but when you need to cut corners for whatever reason, the monopod surely wins out versus well, nothing. -- http://www.infotainment.org - more fun than a poke in your eye. http://www.eighteenpercent.com- photography and portfolio. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New favourite body
The MZ-5 and -5n were absolute classics -- the first time I saw the 5 was the first time I was tempted by a modern body. Still, I had become so accustomed to easily changing the shutter speed while looking through the viewfinder of the ME Super that I just couldn't go back. Heck, I almost bought a 67II to replace my 67 because it's a giant ME Super, control-wise. An MZ-5 with a thumbwheel for the shutter speed would be perfection. -Aaron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: New favourite body Date: Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:26 pm Size: 1K To: pdml@pdml.net I recently purchased a ZX-5 on eBay for $87 including shipping, and I'm in love! I really appreciate the simplicity of it all. No menus or Pentax Functions that I need to look up in a manual, just a few switches, dials and buttons. If I turn the aperture ring, it automatically turns into Av mode. If I turn the shutter speed dial, it's automatically in Tv mode. The Av mode shows the aperture in the viewfinder, which I really miss on my DS and MZ-6. Exposure compensation and metering modes are simple. There's only one auto mode, which is perfectly fine with me - I don't use it myself, so there's less clutter on the dials! The panorama switch is a nice feature, especially in combination with my FA 20-35! I'm really impressed. I don't miss the DOF preview (I never use it on my MZ-6), and the exposure lock button... well, i'd like that, but i can use manual or the compensation dial. I wish I'd gotten this camera instead of my MZ-6! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Just a little rant (or not rant?!)
On Jul 11, 2006, at 11:59 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: What's this film stuff you two are going on about? Heh -- has anyone gone to see Superman Returns on a big screen? As both a Film (movie) Guy and a Film (the stuff you take pictures on) Guy, I have to say that the bell is tolling for motion picture film. While the second and third Star Wars prequels looked kind of crappy and acceptable, respectively, Superman Returns does not look like a film that was shot digitally. In fact, I would say that it looks less digital than the Lord of the Rings films (which were shot on film and processed heavily in the digital realm). I was really surprised -- I sat close and was prepared to be underwhelmed, and I wasn't. It looked great, and that's not just my low expectations talking. I thought when I heard that interview with Singer, the director, that his chatter about testing out all of the different motion picture formats and comparing them projected before making his choice was a load of publicity hooey (much like Lucas' no one noticed the one digital scene in the Phantom Menace -- I noticed it, it looked wretched), but I'm with Singer. It looked better than Super 35 and yet held all of Super 35's advantages with lens lengths and depth of field. (I saw it projected on film, by the way.) Oh well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
funny K10D story
Funny, or perhaps encouraging. A friend of mine has been contemplating a 10MP digital SLR. He had decided, based mostly on specs, that he was most interested in two cameras -- the K10D and the Sony Alpha. (He has no 35mm lenses to speak of, so that's not a consideration for him, though I suppose I could try to convince him that he should buy an adaptor and put his 67 glass on the K10D...) A few days ago he handled a pre-release K10D. He called me up literally a minute later to tell me that he was buying it as soon as one was available. The next day he went out and bought some Pentax lenses. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: funny K10D story
On Jul 11, 2006, at 1:11 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Are you familiar with the glass he bought? Was it D only? Yes -- he was a big fan of the clutch thingamajig that lets you focus manually while in AF mode. He bought the 40mm pancake and one of the wider primes. I'm a fan of that clutch thingamajig myself. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
On Jul 10, 2006, at 4:48 AM, mike wilson wrote: You meet the most approachable people with a Pentax. Even the 67 is not an intimidating camera. Not until I raise it above my head to strike 'em down, anyways. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: AF540FGZ?
On Jul 10, 2006, at 7:57 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: Has anyone got this flash yet? Any comments? I don't have it, but I used it for a day on the DS2. It was really nice. I can't really give you a review off the top of my head because it was a little while ago, but I can try to answer questions about it if no one else has one. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New K bodies listed on B
On Jul 10, 2006, at 3:30 AM, John Forbes wrote: Second, I DO happen to believe that Pentax should use airfreight more often. In the past year, a great deal of criticism has been directed at Pentax for not having product in the stores. How many times do you suppose that Pentax lost a sale because a camera was on the high seas when, for only $2.00 more, it could have been in the store? Actually, this is clearly a store stock issue and not a Pentax issue -- they use the sea for the initial gigantic orders and not for subsequent follow-up orders. Unless there has been an issue at the launch of a camera with availability, which I haven't heard about, this is merely a problem with getting stores to bring in the products, nothing more. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
The day a young male wearing black mascara and a noose around his neck approached me because he thought my hair was sick and wanted to know how I did it was the day I decided that I needed a new haircut. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: Re: OT: Why do you take pictures? Date: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:49 am Size: 760 bytes To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net On 7/9/06, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: Can it also do video? Similar thing happened to Nate when a friend was looking at his DSLR: Yours can't do video? Oh. I thought yours was more advanced than mine. *sigh* He had one of those SLR-type digicams. The day I bought my Mamiya C220 TLR, I was sitting in a diner looking it over while waiting for my lunch. A punk teenager struts up to the table and says something like Dude, that's a phat camera. Is that thing digital? I wanted to hit him over the head with it. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New K bodies listed on B
On Jul 8, 2006, at 6:40 PM, John Forbes wrote: $1,000/pound. What rubbish. On that basis an airfare for a human being would be $150,000. I do wish people would think before making such crazy assertions. John, you'll note that he says for large quantities. Human beings are not shipped air freight by the thousands at once. Likewise, Pentax does not import one or two cameras at a time, and this is why the shipments of K100D and K110D cameras that are specifically being talked about are coming over on ships. I realize that it's hard for people to understand the difference in scale, but there is a massive difference in scale. How many cameras do you think they're bringing in, and how much space do you think they take up? -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New K bodies listed on B
Yikes! Okay, perhaps I should have been more clear -- I wasn't defending the numbers, which I know nothing about. I was trying to clear up the fact that Pentax DOES ship by sea for large orders and by air for small ones. Regardless of what one thinks of common sense or basic economics, that is actually what they do. The first batch of K100D and K110D bodies destined for North America are on a boat last I heard. My DS2, which was a very late production model, shipped by air directly from the Philippine warehouse (by Purolator, if I recall correctly) and took only a couple of days to get to me. We've seen a clear demonstration already with the real-world numbers from Paul and Bill of how bigger shipments actually do get more expensive by air. The real world is under no obligation to conform to common sense, and frequently doesn't. And how can I be digging if this is only my second post on the subject? ;) IN SUMMARY: Pentax ship large orders by sea and small orders by air. They're either doing it in the most economical way, or total idiots. Arguing that they don't do this is akin to arguing that they don't sell cameras. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New K bodies listed on B
On Jul 9, 2006, at 6:47 PM, John Forbes wrote: You're too stupid to realise I've disproved every one. Except for, um, the fact that Pentax actually DO send the large shipments by sea and the small shipments by air. No insults will change the reality of the situation. We get it, John -- he quoted a radically wrong number for the costs. That does not make any of the rest of this nonsense true. But perhaps you can call up Pentax and tell them that they're stupid and don't know anything about logistics -- they may thank you with a free camera or something. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
On Jul 8, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: Can it also do video? I actually had someone say oh, too bad... MY camera can make videos. And they went on to tell me all about their megapixels and blah blah blah. So I showed them the backups of my recent work that were still sitting on the card in the camera and they shut up about it. I have had more people approach me to talk smack about my cameras than I care to think about, especially the 67. I don't know what it is that compels them. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Film recommendations?
On Jul 6, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Adam Maas wrote: (the confusion as to the Silvertone and Rollei Classic origin with respect to APX increases every day). Really? What do you need to know about it? For film recommendations, my gigantic freezer stock is mainly three films: Fuji NPZ 800 -- I see no reason to use the NPH 400, since the grain is virtually identical between these two. Very flexible, very natural. Wonderful film. Fuji Neopan Acros 100 -- finest grained bw film in an easily workable, full tonal range product. Great stuff. Plays well with many developers. Ilford Delta 3200 -- picky as anything, and don't process it in Tmax. But exposed properly and processed in something compatible (Ilford's DD-X is a good choice) it's magnificent. Worked surprisingly well with Agfa Studional (a constant-agitation developer designed for rotational processors, which is what I use it in) as well. If you're in the Toronto area and adventurous, I have a large supply of Agfa home development C-41 kits. You may be scared to try developing your own C-41, but it's actually pretty easy. I have way too many of them and would gladly sell a handful at a reasonable rate. And give you instruction on bleach bypass processing, if that kind of thing is your cup of tea. It's a ton of fun. Though thinking about it, I've only ever done tests with bleach bypass myself. Done about 250 rolls for clients, though. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: K 50mm f1.4 lens is coming apart!
Same thing happened to my M 50 1.4 -- it was purely cosmetic and did not affect anything except for filter use. I think I fixed it with glue. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: K 50mm f1.4 lens is coming apart! Date: Wed Jul 5, 2006 10:08 am Size: 1K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net I've got a used Pentax K 50mm f1.4 lens that exhibited weird behavior last time I pulled it out of the bag. The front end of the barrel is loose. No optics are moving or anything... just the front barrel (which includes the front plate that has the name of the lens with the serial number on it and everything. I don't know what holds this on, but clearly something has sheared or come loose. Heh. Now that I pull on it a bit to take a demonstrative photo, a couple of small screws just dropped out into my hands. All I need now is a VERY tiny screwdriver and a blow-up diagram of how this lens comes apart. I'm guessing it might have something to do with removing the rubber cover on the focusing ring??? Photos to illustrate the problem are below: http://charles.robinsontwins.org/images/imgp0202.jpg (levels adjusted severely to show detail where the problem lies) http://charles.robinsontwins.org/images/imgp0203.jpg Any advice on specifically what to do to get to where those screws belong would be greatly appreciated. -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 5, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: That's right. So where would you place the swans? Two or three stops above 18% grey? Yep. If you're shooting jpeg and you want them to just barely hold detail (or you want to minimize your post-production time spent), 2.7 stops is where I find the DS2 starts to peak in jpeg mode. If you're shooting RAW and you're going to spend all that time in post anyways, you should do what everyone else is recommending and overexpose past that blinky white clipping warning, since RAW holds that detail. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: exposure evaluation ... digital and film
On Jul 5, 2006, at 10:39 AM, Toralf Lund wrote: Even more differently put, isn't what people are saying here just a rather convoluted version of you get less noise with a lower ISO setting? The majority of my work is limited to jpegs because it's volume/speed oriented. But in my tests, running at 1600 ISO and overexposing 2/3 of a stop (and compensating for the shadows with the in-camera contrast control) yielded a better result than a correctly exposed 800 ISO image with contrast adjusted in camera to give a matching image. I can't tell you why or how, just that it worked that way. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 4, 2006, at 3:42 AM, mike wilson wrote: It was a demonstration by the manufacturer's agent. Should have been perfect. As anyone who's been into a television showroom can tell you that this is rarely the case. ;) -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
Let me tell you a funny story I heard in my retailing days: One time in the dear, dim past, a salesperson for a manufacturer of ps cameras put together a camera plus case plus batteries bundle. The bundles were in stores before anyone realized that neither the batteries nor the case were not compatible with the camera. Whups! -Aaron -Original Message- From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Indeed. But if the manufacturer's agent can't do it Not to mention that the whole premise that the digital revolution is based on is that you just need to turn it on and go. What really suprised me was how puny it was. Until the blackout was nigh-on darkroom perfect, the picture was really washed out. m -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Samsung PS cameras - 7 10 megapixels
Is this fact or speculation? Pentax Canada experienced both their highest profits and largest volume of sales in the company's history, fueled by their profits on Optio sales. It's possible that Japan could sell to North America at a loss, but it would be a really bad idea, especially since Pentax in Canada and the USA are merely resellers and not actual arms of Pentax in Japan. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aaron, I'm saying that Pentax had profit problems with the PS line after everybody got into the Optio S size cameras and decided to make a strategic withdrawal. Having good sales, but loosing a little bit on each camera is not a good idea. They turned the market over to somebody with more consumer electronics muscle. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: I didn't know there was a different mindset for digital - except for trying harder to avoid overexposure/blown out highlights. I usually regard JPEGs as slides, RAW as negs. I have BTW noticed that I'm not the only one who normally underexposes deliberately by 0.3-0.5 F-stop. (I shoot RAW 99% of the time). While others do it too, you're going about it in the wrong direction. I recommended before that you meter your highlights and place them at the high-end of what the camera can record -- use the spot meter -- and this will give you a better overall image, and less time spent on post-production. RAW files are like negs, but you still get the best print by exposing to each particular negative film's strengths. Just because a negative has a lot of latitude and can make an acceptable print from a lousy exposure, that doesn't make the lousy exposure the ideal way of exposing. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 4, 2006, at 9:42 AM, mike wilson wrote: I wonder how many people bought them. A lot of very unhappy people. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Newsworthy Photo - Burst Fire Hydrant
..unless you're wearing The Pin. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did you use a Pentax? If so that would explain why they said no. Not a professional camera, you see. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
Jens, I said I recommended before that you meter your highlights and place them at the high-end of what the camera can record -- use the spot meter -- and this will give you a better overall image. I did not say use the spot meter and set the swans to middle grey. Come on now, at least read what you're responding to. Take a reading off of the swans and set that somewhere around 2.5 stops over. If you're unwilling to meter properly, at least stop complaining that your results are poor! -Aaron -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subj: RE: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera Date: Tue Jul 4, 2006 7:01 pm Size: 3K To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net I doubt spotmetering the highlights would work for me. The meter will try to expose, so the highlights would get an 18% grey colour, which is a lot darker than it should be. In a panorama scene, if I did measure the highligts (swans on the lake) - the result would pretty much be the same - an overall underexposed frame. I have just been reading about software - Photomatrix - that can post process images for a panorama. The dynamic range of a 360 degree panorama is much larger than any film or sensor can actually deal with - there's a bright and a dark side - especialy in Scandinavia, where the sun often is quite low. This software is supposed to help getting details in both highlights and shadows. But I'm afraid it will require multiple (three) exposures for every position. This means a lot work. And will emphasaize the speed issue. For the last two days I have done panoramas with my MZ-S a 31mm lens and slide film. With this combo I can actually shoot faster than I can move the camera from on place to the other. If this doesn't produce better results, I may move on to other options - perhaps one-shot solutions. This one, made by Hans Nyberg, is quite nice: http://www.panoramas.dk/newspanos/f26-sankt-hans.html Hans told me, that he is using one shot and six shot equipment! He did this one for the Danish television (the Royal Wedding 2004): http://qtvr.dk/bryllup/ Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Aaron Reynolds Sendt: 4. juli 2006 16:36 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera On Jul 4, 2006, at 10:09 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: I didn't know there was a different mindset for digital - except for trying harder to avoid overexposure/blown out highlights. I usually regard JPEGs as slides, RAW as negs. I have BTW noticed that I'm not the only one who normally underexposes deliberately by 0.3-0.5 F-stop. (I shoot RAW 99% of the time). While others do it too, you're going about it in the wrong direction. I recommended before that you meter your highlights and place them at the high-end of what the camera can record -- use the spot meter -- and this will give you a better overall image, and less time spent on post-production. RAW files are like negs, but you still get the best print by exposing to each particular negative film's strengths. Just because a negative has a lot of latitude and can make an acceptable print from a lousy exposure, that doesn't make the lousy exposure the ideal way of exposing. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 07/03/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 07/03/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: exposure evaluation ... digital and film
The white buttons on the jersey. Glad someone noticed! ; ) What's funny about all of this is that I didn't understand any of the technology behind it -- I simply started to do tests with the camera like I would have with a new type of film, and while fooling with overexposure and the contrast control (this is shooting in jpeg, mind you), I noticed that as a side effect to my more-ideal files right out of the camera that there was also less noise visible in the image. It's very nice to know why. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aaron too gave me a clue a little while back when he talked about setting his exposure to just about blow out the white in the ball player's cap(?). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Exposure is much more than a reading from a multi-point meter. It's an intelligent decision that the photographer must be prepared to make. YES. I was trying to think up a good way to express the idea that the most advanced part of the exposure meter should be the photographer's brain. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Help holding a 500mm f/4.5 lens
I use an inexpensive Manfrotto 479 monopod that I bought about ten years ago to support the A* 400mm f2.8, which is nearly twice as heavy as the 500 f4.5 according to Boz's page. It's an awkward lens to hold until you get it onto the monopod, and then you suddenly discover that it's balanced magnificently and it barely feels like you've got a heavy lens at the end of the camera at all. It's all about proper technique with the monopod, and I'm bad at trying to explain or teach things like that. Maybe someone else can chime in on that score. But you should have no trouble with that lens on a monopod. I'm shooting at 1/640 without trouble. What helped me a lot was learning where the DS2's release actually was. It's a very soft shutter button compared to what I was used to, and as a result I was hitting it too hard and adding a little extra shake to every photograph. Getting used to the fact that it's a very, very light touch has improved the sharpness of the photographs dramatically. I'm going to try dropping my shutter speed a bit in some tests next week to see how much better I've become with the button. Knowing your shutter button well will give a better advantage than any pricey head system or tricked-out monopod. Sitting with the camera in your hands while watching TV, pressing the shutter button over and over to get a feel for it, now that'll probably drive your family up the wall. Even with the camera off. I know it drives mine nuts. -Aaron On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:18 PM, Edson Maruyama wrote: I've been checking some previous posts... haven't really seen any regarding a monopod a 500mm f/4.5 lens. Sorry if this has been posted already... but I need some comments on a Pentax Takumar 500mm f/4.5 and some solutions to hold it steady! :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
But how well set up was the digital system? I ask not to be a smartass, but because my $1,200 standard definition television can outperform $4000-plus high definition sets at my friends' houses. Not because it's better -- it sure ain't -- but because mine's been calibrated and tweaked and theirs is running with its out-of-the-box defaults. -Aaron -Original Message- From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that's where you and I differ substantially. I don't consider a desktop monitor to be high resolution. I've looked at systems costing nearly £5000 and they are nowhere near as good as a well set up analogue system. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New Samsung PS cameras - 7 10 megapixels
Are you saying that Samsung's or Pentax's line was unprofitable? Pentax's PS digital cameras pushed Pentax Canada to the two most profitable months in the company's history, very recently. -Aaron -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think Pentax has made a deal with Samsung trying to get out of the PS digital all together. This line was unprofitable and Samsung has the consumer electronics distribution channels to try and achieve profitable mass market sales. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: SV: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:03 PM, Jens Bladt wrote: I'm not uncritical - so I spend loads of time editing, which IMO is necassary if you shoot digital and want high quality results. Too much time, actually. I'll bet you do too. Nope, I don't. I use digital for speed, I'm critical and I get excellent results. I do no post-processing. Jens, you just need to break out of your metering-for-film mindset. Like I offered before, I'll gladly share a file or two with you if you don't believe me. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Coming Soon - A new K-mount Film Camera
On Jul 2, 2006, at 3:36 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: Give me a brake, Cotty, I've been photograping for 40-45 years - digitally for the last three.. I do know how to meter. Actually, from reading your post, no, you do not know how to meter at all. Sorry that you've been making photographs all this time and relying on slop to save you. I don't care how long you've been doing things the wrong way -- it doesn't make it right just because you did it for a long time. I also know several digital photographers who, just like me, underexposes 0.3-0.5 F-stop ALL THE TIME in order to avoid burned out highlights. They also don't know what they're doing. Just because a lot of people do it, that does not make it optimal or correct. Then comes colour problems, that has to be dealt with. Colour problems?? From what, from picking the wrong white balance? From neglecting to do a custom white balance? That's just about the easiest thing to do in the world. Don't tell me you shoot digital and do not edit. I don't know anybody who does. You do, in fact -- you know me. I don't shoot digital because it's cheap. I shoot digital in a situation where I need to deliver a jpeg virtually out of the camera and to the client. Lately I've been putting the DS2 through a series of tests at high ISOs to see how it'll do for another project I've been working on for quite some time, because it's a strong performer at ISO 1600 at the print size I will require. That will be in a rougher lighting condition and probably I will shoot RAW. But I will not do something ridiculous like just blanket underexpose all of my images, especially because this introduces more noise. In fact, as a rule, I'm generally overexposing my images right to the point where the white is starting to peak, which is 1/3 to 2/3 of a stop higher exposure than I'd be making on film, because this yields a better-looking, less noisy image. Why don't you do this instead, Jens? Why do you do the opposite? What happened when you tried this? It sounds like you made an assumption about how digital works and are sticking to it without actually LEARNING how to use it properly. Perhaps this is because you've been making photographs for 40-45 years and are stuck in your ways. Myself, I have only been making photographs for 24 years and despite being both a technically trained photographer (not from a night school program, but a full-time commercial photography program) and a working photographic professional, I do not pretend that I always do the right thing or that I automatically know what is best, especially when moving to new equipment and new techniques. Instead, I test and learn. And I am nowhere near done learning how to use my DS2, 16,000 exposures later. I know very well how to use it in one situation, and am learning another. -Aaron -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
