Re: strange problem: view folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:56:51 -0400, Havivah D. Schwartz wrote: snip HDS In View Folder, I sometimes find that all of a sudden a bunch of HDS the buttons and menu commands gray out. That is, all the buttons HDS commands will be available at first, and then all of a sudden they HDS aren't. I can't figure out how to activate them again short of HDS closing the folder and reopening it. I must be triggering this by HDS hitting some key combination accidentally, but for the life of me, HDS I can't figure out what! I've never personally experienced this bizarre behaviour and I don't know why you are experiencing it. :-/ - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I used to have a handle on life, then it broke. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdF3HvAXeSHuB5k3EQI4EQCfWbRbP34uVPlVYcpAdoO/bCF6RaoAoKZm IA4ha9ygDwelfDbtuP+67Ey9 =UHpE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Colours for name of accounts
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:40:04 -0400, Cameleon wrote: C Is there a way to change colours of name of accounts, in the Accounts C frame ? No, not that I know of. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Conformity obstructs progress. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdF3dPAXeSHuB5k3EQKnaQCgq11tkXJ2bZj89c/E8Q2y9QLonoUAoKid ycD7dU7K5Dp7+bGGOuK4gYTK =uQ3v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Thread questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:24:14 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF First thing is, Curits (and others) reported before that two TF messages get replied to when you hit "replY on a message. This TF happens when a new message comes in whicle you're reading, and two TF messages are highlighted. TF I couldn't confirm it at that time, but now can: it happens only TF when you are in thread mode! (Maybe this info helps Rit to find the TF bug.) I didn't realize this was so since I use threaded mode pretty heavily. I wouldn't be surprised if it only happened in the view by references threaded mode as well. TF Second, the way I use the threading is as follows: TF I still go through the message list sequentially, osrted by received TF time. I browse the new messages in the View Folder mode, not the TF ticker, which I only use when I have a few messages acorss not too TF many folders. TF When I see a message that I would like to reply to, I hit Alt-1 TF follow the thread, reply if it still makes sense, go back to the first TF message in the thread, and hit Alt-0 to go back to sequential reading. I've been tempted to adopt this very method because of problems with threading by references. I already switch off threading when re-filtering my TB! folders messages by age to an archive folder to prevent this 'grid index out of range' error. TF Suddenly the View Folder window has a column for Folder which I never TF put there! I have to right-click and take this column out manually, TF each time. Is this normal? Now this one I've never seen. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Shotgun wedding: a case of wife or death. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdF5cPAXeSHuB5k3EQLqoACgrGPp8qBbyIb99vSj7UuEIDwPSVMAnjRV gb28xieG9L3ZGDUiUekQxhRK =6IDj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: quoting subject timestamp
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:27:52 -0400, Jan Rifkinson wrote:
JR I've not noticed a way to set up a template that includes a place
JR for "original subject". Is this so , if so, is there a work around?
I'm not quite sure exactly what you're asking but the macro to generate
the original subject is %OSUBJ.
JR Also I've tried to build a template that you may have seen that
JR includes a time stamp of the original post but I find that this is
JR not always accurate. Maybe this is because of the different time
JR zones. In your opinion, what is the cleanest way to include a time
JR stamp in a template, i.e. based on what?
TB! tends to convert the message time stamps to your local time zone and
uses these times in the templates. As a result of this, if you use the
provided macros for original message time, you'll get the original
message time adjusted to your local time zone. The time is technically
still correct but, I know, you prefer if the senders time zone was used.
Well, if you wish to do this, you need to use a regular expression to
extract the original time and here it is.
%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"%SUBPATT="3"%SUBPATT="4"
Create a new quick template, then copy and paste the above macro *as is*
in it. I gave my quick template the handle name 'odate'. This new quick
template will generate the original message time by extracting it from
the RFC headers.
If I wish to do this, I just type 'odateCTRLSpaceBar' at the time
when I wish to insert the date. For example, the otime for this message
to which I'm replying is 11:27:52 -0400. :-)
If you wish to put the original time above in a template, at the point
you wish to insert the time use the macro: %QINCLUDE="odate".
JR And, finally, is it sufficient to set a filter to recognize
JR "kludges" then enter a real word or do you also have to turn on
JR the option for "regular expressions"?
No, you don't have to turn on the regular expressions option.
JR If not, when is this option used? Many thanks.
You use the regular expressions option when you wish to use a regular
expression as the filter search string. With the option off, simple
search strings are used instead.
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Re: Replied filter moves messages unexpectedly
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:09:08 -0400, Havivah D. Schwartz wrote: HDS One more question :) I'm having trouble with my replied filters. I HDS want to mark all messages I have replied to within a given folder HDS with a color group. Here's what I set up for TBUDL: HDS Replied Messages HDS Source Folder: Subscriptions/TBUDL HDS Move to: Subscriptions/TBUDL HDS String Location Present HDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] kludges yes HDS checked action: mark with color group ... This should be OK. HDS That's it. Now here's what happens: I run the filter by refiltering HDS the TBUDL folder manually (right-click folder, select Re-Filter). HDS The targeted messages get colored appropriately, but strangely HDS enough they get moved to the inbox!! I've deleted the filter and HDS tried again, to no effect. What I don't understand is why the HDS actions seem to work correctly (I can park, color, etc. with no HDS problem) but the messages are getting redirected unexpectedly. There is another filter that is moving the messages. You need to check a number of things: - Do you have other replied filters defined in the replied filters group. If so, another filter may be acting on the messages if you have enabled 'continue processing with other filters' in your filter rules. - Whenever you wish to re-filter messages and select the re-filter messages option, ensure that only the filter group that you wish to apply is checked. For instance, whenever I wish to apply read message filters manually, I have to untick the inbox filter set. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Useless Invention: AC adapter for solar calculators. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdGCAfAXeSHuB5k3EQIoeQCfasm4g2Msr4gOWXPfpeYdOOmL3VwAnRbx 2Kd4uegk3ZEqjhqwxmW7tby9 =dBbM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Memo's
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 06:24:47 +0200, Avenarius wrote: A For instance, if I intend to reply to a message tomorrow, but want to A jot down, right now, the two or three points I want to make in that A reply, then I don't need to hit the reply button -- all I need is to A jot down the two or three catchwords in the memo that can be attached A to the original message I received. A I find the Memo function (CTRL+SHIFT+I) extremely useful. I do as well. :-) A However, it's buggy. Every other day, it's disfunctional on my A system; the buttons in the memo window are grayed out. The memo doesn't work properly via the view folder windows in that you are unable to create new memos or edit created memos. Memos will only work properly when the message preview pane is enabled and the memo editor invoked via the main windows message listing. This is an old and persistent problem. This and other past view folder window bugs (another is with address autoview) makes me realize that the developers seem to prefer using the preview window exclusively. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Procrastination: The art of keeping up with yesterday. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdGDYfAXeSHuB5k3EQIE1ACeMgcZLrrKVRjNGPazsI5hZkzI6Z4AoIBm YjLtBQdg0Ijmr/EqwFP4U9HH =kwyg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %quotes macro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:09:53 -0700, Clearwater Landscapes wrote: CL I have a questionnaire that potential clients submit (form to CL email), and a template set up with pertinent information to reply to CL them...I personalize with their name (i.e. Hi Joe,). A small CL percentage of these responses require quoting part of their message. CL If I use the %quotes macro in the template, it quotes the entire CL message in the responses which I don't select for quoting. How can I CL set this up to use the macro only when necessary.? If this is an auto-reply setup, then there's no way of automatically selecting a special portion of text for quoting. If you're manually replying using a template, then you may still use the %quotes macro. However, when replying with the desire to quote only a special text block, select the block of text you wish to quote and either hit F4 or hold down the SHIFT key while hitting the reply button. If you wish to generate a reply template without anything quoted then reply by hitting SHIFTF4. Hope that helps. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Individualists of the world, UNITE! " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdGGrvAXeSHuB5k3EQICTACgnmr33r4HyGgzTl4CS5y1F/clwToAoLmK j1ZMSsDT9ledZSJBgvwhQr2k =zMzn -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Lost Folders (was: Re: HELP!!...)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:34:50 +0200, Avenarius wrote: A Oh yeah. For instance: I've never used a regular Bat! version. I A downloaded a beta directly and then kept wondering why I had no help A file present on my system. I still don't have it, because how *could* A I possibly obtain it, without first uninstalling my current beta A version (which I like and don't want to uninstall)? Since installing TB! in March 99, I have not uninstalled it and I have installed most of the betas and all of the full releases. Just install the full release version over the beta. Only the relevant files will be updated. Problems tend to arise when some users install and older version over a newer version. If the older version doesn't support some of the newer file formats then problems will arise of course. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "My keyboard has an F1 key. Where is the NASCAR key? " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdGKcPAXeSHuB5k3EQIqigCgtTfNfuQVuaN5mGhA6c//J1r5KZ0AniIS 0b3OkTYkGk6883Pgld7gBHt/ =D5yv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: About PGP certificates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:11:29 +0800, Ameng wrote: A - The editor uses something called 'free caret', which basically A means that when you move your cursor down from a text line to an A empty line, it keeps it position on the horizontal axis. In other A words, it doesn't move to the beginning of the empty line but stays A somewhere in the middle. Took me quite some time to get used to it, A but now I hardly notice anymore. (This 'feature' will probably become :- Was that put in just for the Eudora fans? ;-b You seemed so upset with it initially. Your little synopsis was very good. The main features for me that makes it stand out are: 1) It's method of handling multiple accounts. 2) Templates 3) Templates 4) Templates 5) It's advanced filtering. 6) It's editor in terms of the methodology and the thinking behind it. How it actually works can be a bit quirky and needs some acclimatization. :-) If one were to rip out the template support in TB!, I could easily be using PMMail or Pegasus at present. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I am functioning within established parameters. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdGNuPAXeSHuB5k3EQLWMwCdGTeZoHL8QI9BTfOv89aJcV1CqEEAniwl Nmb8PyP9SsnUZb+0dBOYoeUs =/ohi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: dealing with digests
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:30:28 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA TB has a great MIME digest viewer. Hey Syafril, I seem to remember a JA discussion about MIME digests way back. Does your server support that JA type of digest? If so, now that TB supports MIME digests (quite JA nicely too), perhaps that would be a better format? JA The advantages of MIME digests are numerous, but the biggest is that JA you reply to the individual message, not to the digest. Additionally, since it displays the digest messages in a virtual folder, you may thread the messages etc. :-) It's as if you downloaded them separately. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "And the only thing the Borg left was this Macintosh... " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdBMVPAXeSHuB5k3EQJxigCfcu1YuwsBwk1QxlCTYL2yR6QYVXYAn2es KkejR4hdNEGX/9cS96wgUgfw =d8gi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:20:26 +0100, Jamie Dainton wrote: JD Or they could just look in the TBUDL archives. Also no one even seems JD to read the welcome message or help file anymore. Frequently there are JD posts that could easily be answered if people just looked at the help JD file. This may be true but when some subscribe to this list, witness the warm community atmosphere, and the prompt answering of questions, they feel tempted to ask questions here instead of *always* first going through the help file or the FAQ's. Afterall, if you shoot a question of clarification at the help file it doesn't respond. JD TB! and it's help file is not at fault it's just faulty users. I beg to disagree here. A lot of TB!'s help consists of overviews. Only the experienced and those like myself who take long periods of time experimenting, going through long periods of trial and error will learn. A more detailed help would go a long way here. TB! 's help is not the only one that I have used or read and I really have to disagree. JD For some more advanced topics TBUDL is good but recently we seem to JD be swamped with very simple questions. Other people have noticed JD this and commented on it (on and off list). The other problem is JD that the condensed knowledge of TBUDL in pdf format would be larger JD than Office 2K, I would no be happy if I downloaded a 2MB program JD with a 15MB help file, most of which I'd never use. You're exaggerating here Jamie, for effect, I suppose but the help could really be more detailed in areas. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Have it OUR way. Yours is IRRELEVANT. At BORGerKing. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdCU4PAXeSHuB5k3EQLlegCgpmKCJfGMc0l5e04Mk/GVNdKyUAgAoJvW mzNQUVMAagzS09C32UByR3al =GpPD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB with dual boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:01:31 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: ACM The other two times I moved my mail folders, I closed TB!, moved the ACM folders, edited the HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Users Depot entry values ACM appropriately and only then did I restart TB! to see things working as if ACM nothing had happened. TF While this is a nice workaround, there is an easier way. I jsut moved TF the mail directory from one of my accounts, and it worked as follows TF from within TB: method snipped TF 7. If you have a problem with the filters, or the account properties TF seemed to have disappeared, check whether all the account.* files are TF where they should be. This is exactly the problem I had when I did it this way in that I lost all my folder settings, templates and filters. Lucky for you, you copied the folder to the new location instead of moved it, a critical difference in method. :-) TF This wasn't the case, so I had to copy them over from the old TF directory again, of course copied from another account's directory TF and didn't understand the world. Don't do that. Copy from the TF account you have moved. What TB! seems to do when we changed it's working directory path was to create basic config files in the new directory, *overwriting* the ones we had before. This is the reason behind the apparent disappearance of the templates, filters etc. Since you had copied the folder, you could then easily copy back over the config files again solving the problem. I wasn't so lucky. Admittedly it's a good idea, provided the folder is copied and not moved. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Oxymoron: Sit up. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc7tWfAXeSHuB5k3EQKZhQCdHn6E8/IzvzZsMeklgXwogIAVXt4AoMNc toROYtgqNgnjp86iAKNHYDm3 =/MJK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Slow changing folders
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:52:21 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: DL Using NTFS here, but it seems that Microsoft's old claims of it being DL non-fraggable are untrue :) TF I never used NT, so I would have to read up on NTFS. "Non-fraggable"? TF Never heard of it. How is that supposed to work (technically)? Where TF did they say this? I'll read up and comment. ;-) I posted a reply to TBOT since this has now become off-topic. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Reality is an obstacle to hallucination. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc7uFPAXeSHuB5k3EQKUBQCfSqpRKHBKvCJTZrtkC1SyPX9c2WcAoKi8 cl0w5lpt05q7eYVfdBVtBXof =spq0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Announcement - FAQ addition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:42:58 -0400, Paula Ford wrote: PF "Other Mentionable Macros" - Would that be as opposed to PF "unmentionable" macros? chuckle No. Not at all. You're sounding like a lawyer. ;-b The English language can be a challenge at times eh?. PF What happens if the unmentionable ones are mentioned? Sounds scary, PF especially since I don't know which ones are unmentionable and no PF one will be able to tell me, as they would have to mention them. ;-) I did. I said in the document, before my 'unmentionable' subtopic g that a full list of all macros with a short description of each could be found in the on-line help. Is that enough mentioning? :-) PF Kidding aside, great job, Allie. Keep it up and TB might soon have a PF respectable Help. Thanks Paula. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Don't be so open-minded your brains fall out. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc7vxvAXeSHuB5k3EQKJQACfanmSOl7+vXS0bcwBY4e2VevTMhoAniWE u+YNbeBrThoHyAlgamgKOMRp =jXTy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: attachments panel horizontal?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:37:24 -0400, Marc Weinmann wrote: MW Didn't find this in the faq.. is there a way to have the attachments MW "pane" be horizontal, rather than vertical? Another ardent wish by quite a few on this list, ie, an option to do this very thing. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Health is the slowest rate at which one can die. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc73lfAXeSHuB5k3EQLcSACg9SK5tbRqwzEIojnI07TTDrQ8JBoAnjPm LvFFyZPLO/tTLyIuXiJsGlY8 =3tDG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:25:37 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: ACM :-) I hear your cry Tony but let's leave it a bit shall we? TB Well OK. but keep your eye on it won't you . You yourself know how TB much I like to try other email software but I never raise major TB debates about them on this list. I always use other outlets or very TB often personal correspondence for comparison purposes or to get TB others opinions. TB Anyway, keep "The Bat Users Discussion List" for Bat users. Thats my TB personal opinion, not worth much apparently but there you go. Ah, come on Tony. You know that I value your opinion but I cannot simply go along with what you think now can I? I have to consider the list rules, my personal judgement on the situation and also what the other members feel. I do, however feel that you may have indirectly achieved your goal in this instance because a thread-let has started here, which is becoming unprogressive and to the point of bickering. So as moderator, I declare this little side issue closed in the name or peace . an tranquility. :-) This little thread-let may have soured the Becky vs TB! discussion so though I have not put a stop to it, I'm sure that it will die a natural death soon. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Racial prejudice is a pigment of the imagination. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc82FfAXeSHuB5k3EQIamQCdHf/Vs1N8WTXg1QhPks1fvqN9g2IAn0bT adqWcaTDHYbW6qW/xo6/9+vc =W4tB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB with dual boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:42:34 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: snip The other two times I moved my mail folders, I closed TB!, moved the folders, edited the HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Users Depot entry values appropriately and only then did I restart TB! to see things working as if nothing had happened. ML I'm not saying this won't work. It should. I'm just saying it ML shouldn't be necessary. In fact, I've just tried it twice (moving to ML a new location and back), and each time all I need to change is the ML "Working Directory" entry. And even that is unnecessary when doing a ML new installation, for TB would ask for it. At least that's my ML experience with migrating from Win98 to Win2k. Do you have your account mail folders on an entirely different partition like I do? If you have your account mail folders in the TB! installation directory as it is by default, and then move your TB! installation to another location, then I agree that all you have to do is change the working directory. If, however, you wish to move only your account mail folders leaving the TB! installation as is then you'll have to make changes to the .../Users Depot entry values. Be that as it may, after all this, I do understand you now. ;-) If she has her account mail folders on drive E: from the start, and then install TB! in Win2k, then she'll be asked for a working directory where she can define the path to the mail folders on drive E:, making it unnecessary to make /Users Depot value changes. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "HARDWARE: n. The part you kick. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc86mfAXeSHuB5k3EQIaaQCfRtsxyzjGLcRxlxU9MefHNZcSZ4IAn2Ls ic/Zv4Y6U2Qz9b21BgEsfhG4 =KAiL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mail Dispatcher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:34:27 -0500, Mark Worsham wrote: Gary Frankly, I was a bit disappointed. Sure, she can use the dispatcher Gary to remove messages ONE BY ONE. However, she wanted to select around Gary 200 of them in sequence and flag em all for deletion. The Bat Gary doesn't support that, its either singularly or all of em. MW Hmmm... That's not my experience. I can delete as many messages in MW one run of the Dispatcher as I want to. So how do I go about selecting 25 out of 50 messages for deletion in the mail dispatcher. AFAICT, theres no way of doing this but to select each message one by one for deletion. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Impropriety is the soul of wit. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc+7k/AXeSHuB5k3EQLtKACfe+XpblJO+SvyFQYoI9NXZ7c9gCAAn2Lh f5nPkH8hjaJxuBdwdUCmyugR =gGcX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Mail Dispatcher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:13:54 -0500, Mark Worsham wrote: MW Ahhh, so Gary means the actual checking of the little checkbox MW instead of the actual removal of the messages. MW True, you can't check more than one checkbox at a time, but that is MW not unusual for Windows. To me it is a strange setup. If I select multiple messages in a folder's message list, I can right click the selection and apply any of the menu options to all the messages selected. I'd think that for the message dispatcher, you'd be able to select multiple messages, as you would, messages in the folder list view and then apply flags as needed in the same way that flags may be applied globally. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Warning: Politicians can be hazardous to your wealth. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc/U9PAXeSHuB5k3EQLbzACfcTdeg7fpo0uuGMwSK14zDCkENVYAoKr+ OnhcA1GcV3fhSPHiXaWXmF1b =Nauo -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:19:48 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: CT when I hit the reply button the only included text is that which CT was highlighted. Simply hitting reply without highlighting CT includes all the original text. Can This be acheived in TB? MDP Just did it here. F4 is the keystroke to reply quoting only MDP selected text. or hold down SHIFT while hitting the reply button. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "((HYPNOTIC(((TAG LINE " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc3OVvAXeSHuB5k3EQLVrACg8sIJ/dsfodgpexR6ZbDx2oWUpGgAoKr9 VvAdsKVK9HmenfN4ycIs1J/L =N/OB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:07:51 +0100, Deryk Lister wrote: DL Works well ;) DL Perhaps someone would like to also make one that strips out signatures DL where the dash-dash-space that denotes the beginning of a signature is DL mangled by PGP to become dash-space-dash-dash. It'd be real nice to DL get rid of all 3! Here's one that works: %REGEXPQUOTES="(?s)(.*?)(^(-\s)?--(\s)?\n|^(-\s)?---(\s)?\n|\Z)" It will work with dash-space-dash-dash, dash-dash or dash-dash-space. DL Starting to like those regexp things... Yeah, they're really nice. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "A man needs a good memory after he has lied. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc4cOvAXeSHuB5k3EQILrgCfRiItAzdYs6SKAta5yqgllvjaEQoAoPqz nZPbR9gnwiZ3/Um64t6c8Y3e =gkTW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %ISSIGNATURE explanation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:31:54 -0400, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Would someone be so kind as to explain the %ISSIGNATURE macro to me? JR I don't understand it's use. Many thanks. It's used to replace signatures. It will detect a signature as text that is followed by the TB! signature delimiter dash-dash-space (see me signature below). Take an example. Here's what my TBUDL signature looks like. It's set up as a quick template: - --start template- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "%COOKIE="F:\Program Files\The Bat!\Cookies\cookie.txt" " Using TB! v%THEBATVERSION «» Win2k Pro SP1 %REPLYTO="A. Curtis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]" %FROM="A. Curtis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]" %ISSIGNATURE %SIGNCOMPLETE - --end template--- Note the presence of the %ISSIGNATURE macro. The handle for this signature is 'tbudl' If I wish create a new message or a reply to someone and I wish to use my TBUDL signature, I simply type 'tbudlCTRLSpaceBar' and the signature in the message disappears and is automagically replaced with the TBUDL signature. NB// The %ISSIGNATURE tends to insert the signature delimiter automatically so there's no need to define it in the template. If you do, then when you do a signature replacement, the signature delimiter will appear twice. Hope that helps. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "$$$ not found -- (A)bort (R)efinance (B)ankrupt " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc4ed/AXeSHuB5k3EQLEvwCgiuQ5eYwTbkNVtZBz4qj1Qhye6HEAn1b4 lFUjccxQJgZ/AxHcNzAG2GKC =MsLX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:24:05 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: DL Works well ;) DL Perhaps someone would like to also make one that strips out signatures DL where the dash-dash-space that denotes the beginning of a signature is DL mangled by PGP to become dash-space-dash-dash. It'd be real nice to DL get rid of all 3! MDP That one should be doing it already (I already changed it)! This is true. Marck's regex is an all purpose one. :-))) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Always remember you're unique - just like everyone else. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc4e3/AXeSHuB5k3EQIFCwCcCU6GtUT2uIuDnjddATHXtV4rarcAnjr3 ZVrIkaz5BAyzIVHS39GTVMab =I16F -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %ISSIGNATURE explanation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 16:55:57 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ACM NB// The %ISSIGNATURE tends to insert the signature delimiter ACM automatically so there's no need to define it in the template. If ACM you do, then when you do a signature replacement, the signature ACM delimiter will appear twice. MDP And, to confuse even further, if you use the %ISSIGNATURE macro in MDP a quick template and %QINCLUDE that QT into a normal template then MDP in *that* circumstance it *doesn't* add its' own delimiter and MDP unless you have the delimiter /in/ the main template then *no* MDP delimiter will appear. :-/ MDP No, I don't understand why nor do I understand the logic, but MDP that's how it works and I'm used to it now. I have noted this as well but assumed that the %ISSIGNATURE template will kick in only if another signature is already present. IOW's it's only active when the template is being inserted in an already generated message body. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc47bPAXeSHuB5k3EQJ+XQCcCqJgxlzg8cZaYy4zZXgFL7UeNJsAn2oJ YpKe7bMxctdhM1t74BZvGFj2 =/EkB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Created in mailheader
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:46:26 -0700, Jan Deppisch wrote: JD The date shown in the brackets is the "correct" date i think (I've JD just tested it). But in the message list columns, where the date or JD time of the email is shown, only the other date/time appears: JD 09:29 JD I would like to see the "correct" time (18:29 im my example) there! JD Is this possible to set up somehow ? No unfortunately there's no way of setting that up. :-) JD Or am I completely misunderstanding all ? :) No, you aren't. :-) JD By the way, what's the difference between those date/time stamps ? Is JD the first one the date/time of the sender's mailserver and the second one JD the local date/time when the writer created the email ? The first date is the creation date adjusted to your own time zone. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Dumb luck beats sound planning every time. Trust me. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc48JvAXeSHuB5k3EQJ4JACgpWJjyBU4QinQTP7zMhK1AbHLeGkAn0Az vnfXKApXjDiEPhFyOafA2QSC =5/A5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB with dual boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:32:54 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: snip ML If memory serves (I, after all, installed TB for the first time ML several months ago), TB would ask you for the location where you ML would like to store your mail. (This happens only to new ML installation.) If you accept TB's default, it would store your mail ML under the \MAIL sub-directory under your TB program folder. If you ML put another location there, TB would store your mail there. If the ML location exist, TB should find your old mail without trouble. This has not been my experience. The first time I moved my mail directory, I shut down TB!, moved the directories, restarted TB!. Of course the accounts were not there. I recreated the accounts and defined the mail directory in the account properties. Still nothing. I eventually got back the folders using CTRLSHIFTALTL but I lost all my folder templates (I was using folder templates at the time) and all my filters. The other two times I moved my mail folders, I closed TB!, moved the folders, edited the HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Users Depot entry values appropriately and only then did I restart TB! to see things working as if nothing had happened. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "SCUD : Sure Could Use Directions " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc4/JPAXeSHuB5k3EQIy/QCfY+WX5BymC6XsmcIqWFd20Te7/hoAn3O0 WJb/8bF73G4T6/2Ayjg8Y2Dm =g8LD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %ISSIGNATURE explanation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:03:58 -0400, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Curtis thanks for your patient explanation but I must confess I'm JR still un-clear about the %ISSIGNATURE macro. Let me put it this way: JR JR Here is one of my account "new message" templates. JR JR ||--| Begin Template |--|| JR JR Hello %TOFNAME JR JR %Cursor JR JR -- JR Jan Reply to: %REPLYADDR JR %ISSIGNATURE This doesn't have to be here. It should be in your quick template signature that you wish to replace the above signature with. JR JR ||--| End Template |--|| JR JR Here is one of my Quick Templates JR JR ||--| Begin Quick Template |--|| JR JR -- - you should remove the signature delimiter in this quick JR template JR Jan Rifkinson JR President, Bogart's Daddy, Inc. JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] JR Tel 203.431.1691 JR ICQ 41116329 %ISSIGNATURE should be here instead JR JR ||--| End Quick Template |--|| JR JR Could you use these templates to illustrate how one interacts with JR the other? If you create a message with the first of the two templates, in the editor window, apply the quick template by typing qt handleCTRLBackSpace. The %ISSIGNATURE macro deletes the first signature and replaces it with the quick template. If you do not remove the signature delimiter as I illustrated above, two signature delimiters will appear after you apply the quick template. JR I assume my new msg template would come up when I write a new msg JR from my account [rather than a folder] which might have it's own JR templates. If the above is a correct understanding then where would JR I place my cursor to insert the Quick Template example that I've JR provided. *anywhere* in the message body composition window. :-) JR Thanks for your continued patience in explaining this issue. It's my pleasure Jan. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Plasma is another matter. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc5tIPAXeSHuB5k3EQIwBQCg0rUXJ74OqU/7NPSSMX8u8ON6E2kAoOAy hoK731NUzRl2AILDzaMR0qcG =odS7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Announcement - FAQ addition
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:47:21 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: Allie (Curtis Martin) has written a wonderful section on the use of templates and this has now been added to the FAQ. You can read this new info on http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/templates.html. JA This is indeed a very well written discussion. I thought I should JA mention that a couple of templates were left out. Don't forget the JA Print templates (Account level and folder level, I'm not sure JA about address book level). And of course the Save Messages JA Templates. MDP Of course - a very good point or two there! Thanks for pointing these MDP out. I don't use either myself, which is probably why I didn't pick up MDP the omission. (excuses, excuses). Same here. I clean forgot myself. I'm already thinking of where and how to make the additions. Thanks for the suggestion Januk. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc6HhfAXeSHuB5k3EQJWEACfToFNH09DlVWmiU4hIBH/Y8f1CbEAoMNR SVjQUhiXENnO3E4I7UVAbgFT =5It0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: wishlist (was Re: Main Window in Bat!)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 23:05:54 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: TB If, and that's a big IF... Becky is so good and that is your chosen TB e-mail client which you are quite obviously using, why are you TB subscribed to a mailing list primarily for users of The Bat e-mail TB client? In all fairness Tony, I don't think we should make those who are not using TB! unwelcome here. There is no rule to say that you should be using TB! to be subscribed and I don't think there ever will or should be such a rule. TB You have absolutely no chance of converting a Bat user over to TB Becky. We've all been there, we've all done that and the only "T" TB shirt we wanted to buy had The Bat! written all over it. :-) I know what you're trying to say but we should look at these sort of posts in a more positive light. I wouldn't say that he's trying to convert anyone but is instead sharing with us what he thinks are good Becky features. Now I know the 'software salespeople' types do exist and tend to invade other lists to further their agendas but I don't think Andrej has earned such suspicion. TB Yes, Becky is good... But it 'aint good enough. I tried it myself and don't think so either. TB Can I, as a subscriber to a discussion list about The Bat e-mail TB client, call upon the odd moderator or two, to ask that the TB Bat/Becky comparison be moved onto TBOT or whatever the new Bat TB versus other e-mail clients list is please. I've been reading the thread and am expecting that it will die a natural death. :-) I haven't felt the urge to intervene because it's not yet become circular and others seem to be interested, especially since there are a lot of subscribers at present who are in a state of flux with their decision making on which client to settle on. A comparison with other clients may therefore be beneficial. TB If I want to know how good Becky or Eudora or calypso is, I would TB subscribe to the relevant list. :-) I hear your cry Tony but let's leave it a bit shall we? - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Oxymoron: Smart Bomb. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc6HKvAXeSHuB5k3EQJXfwCcCY8sy0rkhqFy0G7+FBnMdHVuJlYAoLr6 YV3Rpki6CZ4jVUAvM8J2sbdd =g/qh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: %ISSIGNATURE explanation
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:01:00 -0400, Jan Rifkinson wrote:
JR --
JR Jan Reply to: %REPLYADDR
JR %ISSIGNATURE
Mistake! Your template is *not* a signature ... it
contains one. The last two lines be replaced with one which says
%QINCLUDE="JANSIG"
JR I'm sitll un-clear about the %ISSIGNATURE macro. Where did you *find*
JR the command "%QINCLUDE"? I couldn't find this anywhere
Yes, it's not listed with the other macros via the template editor
menus.
What %QINCLUDE does is to place the contents of a quick template in
another template.
My TBUDL signature is a quick template with the handle name 'tbudl'
The introductory line to this message to you was also created with a quick
template with handle name 'intro'.
The text that's quoted from your message was done using another quick
template who's handle name is 'quote'.
Now look at my reply template for this list:
- -start template--
%QINCLUDE="intro"
%CURSOR%QUOTESTYLE="I"%QINCLUDE="quote"
- --
%QINCLUDE="tbudl"
%SINGLERE
%TO=""%TO="%OFROMNAME on TB!UDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
- reply template---
You see? I can insert quick templates with the use of the %QINCLUDE
macro. If I didn't have the QINCLUDE macro to use, this is how my reply
template would appear.
- ---start template---
On%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPMATCH="%HEADERS",
%OFROMNAME wrote:
%CURSOR%QUOTESTYLE="I"%REGEXPQUOTES="(?s)(.*?)(^(-\s)?--(\s)?\n|^(-\s)?---(\s)?\n|\Z)"
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A. Curtis Martin..
Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937
PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey
- ---
** "%COOKIE="F:\Program Files\The Bat!\Cookies\cookie.txt" "
________
Using TB! v%THEBATVERSION «» Win2k Pro SP1
%REPLYTO="A. Curtis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
%FROM="A. Curtis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
%SIGNCOMPLETE
- ---end template---
See how much more complicated and tedious it would be. Also if I use a
quick template in several locations with the %QINCLUDE macro, editing
the quick template will reflect in all templates I use it.
Have I confused you even more?
I have had to assume above that you have given your QT a handle of
"JANSIG".
JR ||--| Begin Quick Template |--||
JR --
JR Jan Rifkinson
JR President, Bogart's Daddy, Inc.
JR [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JR Tel 203.431.1691
JR ICQ 41116329 %ISSIGNATURE
^^^ Here is where this belongs
JR
JR ||--| End Quick Template |--||
JR OK, so I've now done this. Now what? Again I must ask where I would
JR place my cursor to substitute one signature for the other.
Create a new message. Now, place the cursor in the message body area,
anywhere but not adjacent to any other characters and type the handle
name for your signature template above followed by CTRLSPaceBar). The
signature in the message should now be changed to the quick template
one.
JR What is supposed to happen?
The old signature disappears and the new one takes it's place.
JR Everywhere I tried to insert a Quick Template
JR signature, the original signature ahead of the %ISSIGNATURE was not
JR replaced, meaning that I then had both signatures in view.
That's because you did not have the %ISSIGNATURE macro in the quick
template signature.
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A. Curtis Martin..
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PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey
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vIAHK7UNo6pA1HngPtHeE8QG
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Re: %ISSIGNATURE explanation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:39:15 -0400, Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR I GOT IT - whopie. Works like a charm. With the two of you JR double teaming me, it finally sunk in. Thanks so much for your JR patience. Now aren't these templates just marvelous? vbg Glad to be of help. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The worst day fishing is better than the best day working. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc6UKvAXeSHuB5k3EQJvswCePwX/tzkX5GXh1pFk8GWqs8Ma0LYAoIJB /FQmUZ3etAcCHhAKnv2nOmMN =oEX8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:39:14 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA So with alt-L it is possible to reflow text in a list or a table JA without losing the crlf marks. The trick is to highlight text JA from the lines you want to reformat. I never thought of this, thanks. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Impropriety is the soul of wit. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcyG//AXeSHuB5k3EQIgkACfSFrqAgCabKEk7GRFWv2H8paZwxIAoOTV W+u7K1j/BzBcq1SdF/kwFmnN =K3St -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:45:11 +0200, Roel wrote: ML 1) it's not intuitive to many (if not most) people, who tend to ML think it's for keeping messages from being deleted; and R It is intuitive, if you think of it like a car: you put in in 'park' R mode if you want it to stay exactly there... when you move it around R put it somewhere else, don't be surprised when you're car goes R byebye if you didn't put the brakes back on... (which is parking R mode...) LOL! When you choose to move parked messages, a pop-up query appears asking if you 'really wish' to move parked messages. Under that query should be a checkable option to re-enable parking at the new destination. Be that as it may, a simple option to make the message simply 'undeletable' would probably be less annoying and more useful to most. In this way, moving messages around will not affect their 'undeletable' status. So much has been said about this on multiple occasions that it's strange that nothing has been done about it to date. :-)) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Point not found. A)bort, R)eread, I)gnore. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcyc1PAXeSHuB5k3EQLxPACgoUYpMx6MN0HQ5G/tvGu5hePJYhYAoK39 VbMbFc+X5yyacpTRh1139kHH =U+nK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Grid index out of range. ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:09:02 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: - There should be better error recovery so that it is not necessary to exit and restart TB when such an error occurs. After the error, you should be able to (re-)click on a folder and have it reopened. ML While I agree with your suggestions, I've to say I don't need to ML exit and restart TB when such an error occurs. Maybe it's because ML Win2k is a more robust environment. Hmmm. I'm using Win2k and whenever I get the grid index out of range error, the message list becomes unusable and I have to restart TB! for things to again start working as they should. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The meek shall inherit the earth, if that's OK with you " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOczWR/AXeSHuB5k3EQIRqgCg+wNcw/1U8OO6dn6nhFsRc3FM7isAoPIe bVdgtMvrwtTi1jq157D21caO =TKFf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Ticker quirks
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:04:47 -0400, Havivah D. Schwartz wrote: HDS First, configuration: I've used folder properties to exclude HDS certain mail from showing up on the Ticker (pray tell, is there any HDS way to do this from the Sorting Office instead of in Folder HDS properties? Not that I know of. HDS it seems a rather strange omission as a filter action!). Come to think of it, I agree with you on that. HDS Age limit is set to 30 seconds. Set to pop up automatically. I personally don't use age limits. HDS 1) the ticker doesn't disappear after all new messages have scrolled HDS through. It just gets stuck on "X new messages". For me it has always continued scrolling cycling through the messages repeatedly until all have been read or the age limit is passed. HDS 2) The # of messages that scroll by is less than the total # of HDS messages it says should scroll by. Again, I have never seen this and may be secondary to the age limit setting that you use. HDS Is anyone else having these problems? And a question about the age HDS limit: I thought that that described the time each message should HDS last on the ticker from the first moment I saw its headers. Is this HDS wrong? does the age limit mean "time from the moment the *first* HDS message's headers appear on the ticker" ?? If the latter, then HDS perhaps my ticker is just set for too short an age limit? I would have thought that the age was the amount of time since the message was received/downloaded. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Smoking cures weight problems...eventually. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOczc/PAXeSHuB5k3EQLBjACeKggUMUw6gQLQKuT9nS40s3n1M3MAnjhn QIJzDVxatrwkTEKHHIpV1RzK =I5CJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Maybe I'm Just Slow
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:47:53 -0400, Curtis Campbell wrote: CC Either I seem to have missed it, or I didn't understand it, or maybe CC I'm just not at speed yet, but I still am stumped by how to set up CC my Bat as an auto-responder for things like PGP Public Key, among CC other uses. CC Could someone please whack me with a Bat - Namely a Clue Bat! Please CC be gentle. In my signature is an example of a mailto link to automatically generate a message addressed to me with the subject 'SendAlliePGPKey'. Use the same syntax, making the necessary address and subject changes. Now, you need to export your public key to a location on your system. The next step is to create an incoming message filter. Source folder : Inbox Destination Folder: One of your choice (I created one just for this) Filter Strings: Strings Location Presence 'your request subject' SubjectYes [EMAIL PROTECTED] KludgesNo [EMAIL PROTECTED]KludgesNo You include the other strings by hitting the 'add' button. NB// I suggest you place the two other strings there if you subscribe to TBUDL and TBBETA because I have received requests CC'd to TBUDL and TBBETA and when the TBUDL/TBBETA message comes in with the subject request the auto-responder sends your keys to the list. For any other lists to which you are subscribed include their e-mail addresses as shown. This is basically instruction that if any of those e-mail addresses appear in the Kludges the auto-responder is not activated. Now go to the actions tab where you may mark the request as read but the main thing is to scroll downwards to the option to send an auto-reply. Good? :-) Now hit the button to the right of the 'send auto-reply option. This will open up the template editor for your automated response. You may now write whatever write whatever introduction you like including the necessary macros to !personalise! your automated response (I love it an automated response with a personal touchg). The really important macros however include: i) %Subject="Re: Key request" Here, you may use whatever subject you wish but make it different from the original subject. This will prevent the potential thank you messages from causing the automated message to be resent. Not to mention causing a loop when you are testing if things are working OK. :-) ii) %ATTACHFILE="path to your exported key here" This macro is invoked by hitting the macro button in the template editor and selecting 'attach file'. You may then browse to the file and hit OK. OR If you wish to include the Key as text in your message, use the %Put="put path to exported public key here" macro. Hope that was clear. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I've taken a vow of poverty. To annoy me, send money. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOczim/AXeSHuB5k3EQKqiQCdEyYHYY0UCqzGNm905tAt1Vae7kwAoJEh o8xGlH9YR9dYZkk28kadaZYd =P3rW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:29:01 +0100, Chris Wilson wrote: snip CW Indeed. The lack of any response to requests for "sticky" status of CW many attributes too is rather odd. I just want to know if it is CW likely to happen or not, then i can shut up and either rejoice or CW kick the cat... :^) I say persevere without at the same time being a pest. :-) Many a user request have been granted after creating long discussions about them on list. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I can do without essentials but I must have my luxuries " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOczmC/AXeSHuB5k3EQJ3cgCgxITmBewTVciK8jxaUWQXf90a5qYAoNjg lgYj9cUitr0kp7ulXozJlCuE =SKr3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Parking (was: Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user))
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:38:44 -0400, Havivah D. Schwartz wrote: ACM When you choose to move parked messages, a pop-up query appears ACM asking if you 'really wish' to move parked messages. Under that ACM query should be a checkable option to re-enable parking at the new ACM destination. HDS elegant solution. Have you sent this in as a suggestion? I don't think so, but since it has received such a positive response I guess I should. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Don't Take Life Seriously, It Is Not Permanent. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOczmhvAXeSHuB5k3EQLdWQCfXgLCnNKmhWSWo7Aq5pmxRRGkPVAAnjoB sN5+5DYwcEfzLU0VKbjtDPGE =w6qf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 06:56:03 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML I tip my hat to you. I'm afraid, however, you're fighting an ML impossible battle. Just as mouse, GUI, multimedia on web sites, ML proportional font is here to stay, whether we like it or not. You left out HTML mail in your list. vbg Anyway, I agree that it's an impossible battle, *if* indeed there is a battle, which there really isn't. :-) ML I see no chance for other email programs to change their default ML settings, and their users' tendency of using them (either out of ML default or by preference). Nor could I foresee a law banning ML proportional fonts in email. So the relevant focus of such ML discussion (on this list) would come down to whether TB should ML support proportional fonts or not. And I would say it should, though ML I won't be upset if it's not high on RIT's priority list. :) Believe it or not, I'm with you on leaning towards their implementing proportional fonts as well, because one can't and shouldn't force others into using certain fonts. Even moreso, one shouldn't be forced to use a particular editor for e-mail composition. As long as I can use a fixed width font and can continue to encourage others to do the same, I'm happy. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Dangerous exercise: Jumping to conclusions. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOczqIfAXeSHuB5k3EQJuwQCgs1l+hVAS5ph5Afwa3FT5c1NTD6UAoIFA j4D3UZeP6OGw7L3U/m57/wa1 =ITG3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:46:05 +0200, Avenarius wrote: ACM Me? I just make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of ACM the formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is ACM reflowed. A Not really, Allie. After you're done, you cannot hit ALT+L A immediately. First you need to *move the cursor* (one letter to the A right or left or up or down) and *only then* does ALT+L reflow the A entire paragraph. It's another of those infuriating aspects of The A Bat... That's the case only if you have placed the cursor in the target paragraph with the mouse. However, when I'm composing mail, I don't use the mouse at all, hence, I really only need to press Alt+L. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "GURU: One who knows more jargon than you. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOczvcfAXeSHuB5k3EQKOWQCg/K9oUOhEJE7lX+0GeL4Ow61ygY0AnRU4 lbX757Sbz73KM0tCHpNjP0ed =Ev0x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:22:55 +0200, Avenarius wrote: ACM That's the case only if you have placed the cursor in the target ACM paragraph with the mouse. However, when I'm composing mail, I ACM don't use the mouse at all, hence, I really only need to press ACM Alt+L. A That's not so. I don't touch the mouse, either, when composing A emails. Hmmm. Do you have auto-wrap (not auto-format) enabled? Here is what happens with me. I write a paragraph which is automatically being wrapped as I go along. I'm finished, and I reread, or while writing I decide to insert some text or rearrange the last sentence. I use the arrow keys to navigate to the new insertion point and start typing. After the corrections are made, the wrapping is off, so I press Alt+L *without* having to hit an arrow key immediately prior to this. I just did this. I'm wondering why it doesn't work for you. :-/ A The most common method I use for editing myself is selecting a few A original words with the keyboard and directly supplying a A re-formulated version instead. After you finish writing what you've A edited this way, the ALT+L shortcut does *not* reformat the entire A paragraph, and you've got to grope for one of the ARROW keys. That's it! This is true. I personally don't do that sort of thing when editing. :-) A The ALT+L shortcut only seems to work immeditely not if you're A supplying old text for new but if you're merely adding a few words to A what's already there. (An operation I rarely perform.) This is what I do all the time. I just add words and delete others; not select and then overwrite text. g A Incidentally: another weakness of the editor is that, although A multiple UnDo is possible, not a single ReDo is allowed. (Let alone A multiple RepeatLastAction.) True. Another call for the need to be able to use ones own editor of choice. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "People say I'm apathetic, but I don't care. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc0lh/AXeSHuB5k3EQKN0ACfZORA6nWYewUmLTbSSnTUlUgi17UAoNVA DCrhmqEQRRasyzmnBOYQb4Cb =Itoe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:32:03 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: DL Maybe I'm more lame than I thought ;) From a filtering newbie DL point of view, how does one set this up? MDP As I said in the original post: MDP - -8- MDP I keep this regex in a Quick Template called REQ and have MDP %QINCLUDED="REQ" in any templates I want to use it in. MDP - -8- MDP Of course, it should read %QINCLUDE="REQ" and I omitted to say that MDP you have to replace the %QUOTES macro in your reply templates with the MDP %QINCLUDE="REQ" statement. Yeah, it works alright. g I just copied the macro, as is, from your message into the quick template. It didn't take up a single line but it worked anyway. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "My favourite mythical creature? The honest politician. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc1Gr/AXeSHuB5k3EQJrkgCgiT/PjFdPqQDOCLLuvRGa5IdUTbQAoMPB 68hiGN8G7QnO+ag9SaS48uTU =yDq+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Anybody have an ad-remover for messages from egroups.com lists?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:19:38 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: ACM Yeah, it works alright. g I just copied the macro, as is, from your ACM message into the quick template. It didn't take up a single line but it ACM worked anyway. :-) MDP It should just be on one line really. If the line has become broken, MDP it has done so on a place with a space, so it's pretty easy to "join MDP the dots" and put back in a space at the break point. I tried doing that and this broke removing the e-groups portion. Most likely something *I* did wrong. shrug I then just copied and pasted the whole thing, ignoring the three lines it took up and it worked!! :-) No need for re-editing. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Fraud(n): A telephone number starting with 1-900 " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc1K0/AXeSHuB5k3EQI4SwCgsx1VRy3CgQO3f37+5pzP1dv395MAoJES 6jX4vc4Nk6t4A0qsENnK8zbL =K/56 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB with dual boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:01:41 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kinc Ok... let me ask some more basic questions. I've now set up Win ME kinc on my C drive, Win 2000 on my D drive and plan to put Data files kinc on my E drive. I copied over from my old installation my registry kinc backup and my mail folder which for now is on the C drive. I've kinc now installed TB in Win ME but not in Win 2000 yet. I assume that the registry backup that you have is for the installation on drive C: with the mail folder also residing on drive C: kinc If I take the mail folder and move it to my E drive, do I need to kinc make changes to the registry so that it finds the mail folder on kinc the E drive? If so, what needs to be changed? Yes, you do need to make changes! In the registry you need to go to: HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Users Depot and HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Attachment Directory Under these sub-key you will see the paths to your mail folder/s. Change the values to reflect the mail folders new location. kinc Then to install on my Win 2000 drive after I install the program kinc to that drive do I run on that drive the registry backup from the kinc ME drive? If so, what changes do I need to make since for that kinc install TB will be on the D drive? You need to do the changes above, as well as change the paths defined by the values for: HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Address Book File HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Program Files HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/ProgramDir HKCU/Software/RIT/The Bat!/Working Directory Change these paths to reflect that of the Win2k installation. You may however have problems restoring the backup to Win2k because of the format of the registry backup file. Good Luck. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc2IOfAXeSHuB5k3EQKtIACfYBKRJNq1aVza3JzM8+tCY1nOanAAoJ+N 2AwUnnF/C2ErhPzz1IEU1Jhg =5vhh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Using TB with dual boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:51:05 -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote: ACM Yes, you do need to make changes! Another thing. Do not start up TB! before making these registry changes or things could get messed up. Do I need to write the disclaimer as well that you make these changes at your own risk (for want of ini files)? FWIW, I've done them before personally and know that it works. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Going the speed of light is bad for your age. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOc2JV/AXeSHuB5k3EQLNQQCeMyRfAXX7gNXHEAxp8krsP7WeNRkAoKGl 3LX2L4ovJdmqNNRcL7uB/Tar =z9KQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Making TB the default mailer for Agent
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:11:54 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF in your TB path, of course. This will change the MAPI32.DLL in your TF Windows\System directory so that it recognises TB. As Januk said, TF it's still in beta stage. Please do let us know whether it works TF with Agent yet (feeback to TBBETA appreciated). And everything that TF is beta is AYOR, of course. Good luck. ;-) Thanks Thomas. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcspY/AXeSHuB5k3EQKdhwCgo48N+6OshEacsnNkQrJqH+CgOt8AoLD0 z4cM4qzMUBtJu6j67zxsmaVI =dGEX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Curious - how did you find TB! ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 19:32:57 +0100, Graham wrote: G Allie, have you seen Becky 2? I know this is a TB forum, but its G filters, especially with one or two plug-ins, look to be up to The Bat's G standard. I doubt that my opinion of Becky would change because when I was using it I was using a beta of version 2. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Nothing is impossible for anyone impervious to reason " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcu5ifAXeSHuB5k3EQIsEQCg5bwAyeV6o8q/jXUL82FHmisUiGYAoM1v Ao9DJ/o4Z0+NGIgqeTxtwDyZ =tZTk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Exporting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:56:25 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: :-) KS Got my registration key in this morning's mail. It's a thrill to see that you are pleased. Welcome to the club of TB! users!! :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Psychiatrists stay on your mind. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcu8DvAXeSHuB5k3EQLa8ACgo5/1yE78Ane8kvQoV3zIvjHuo18AoNxf oDUHIqLldzbTUo4dU9s4lbyy =7/l9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:07:21 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA By default I leave auto-formatting turned off. Me too. Although I had left it on by default for a long time. JA This way I can type what I want, however I want. This is why I have finally switched it off permanently. JA So after I've typed a paragraph, I might notice that I want to edit JA something in the middle of the paragraph. So now I turn on the JA auto-format tool (use the keyboard shortcut), make my changes, and JA TB responds the way most Windows text editors do. When I'm finished JA with these modifications, I turn off auto-format (use the keyboard JA shortcut again). Me? I just make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of the formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is reflowed. It seems more efficient to me because in your case you have to toggle the autoformat on and then off. I just hit Alt+L once. The intermittent Alt+L'ing is the price that I am willingly paying to be able to reflow quoted text. See above isn't it just great? :-) JA With judicious use of TB's text reflowing capabilities and some JA simple rules for formatting, TB's editor can be shown to be very JA useful. Indeed. :-) JA Please note, I do not want to start up the Editor debate again. The JA purpose of this post is simply to indicate how to use the *current* JA implementation and in no way indicates my preference of editors. Hehehe. Yes, I realize this. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "An ulcer is what you get mountain climbing over molehills. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcweyPAXeSHuB5k3EQJgLgCgtjrgalkdjHK34d8DIvk1zIDET3UAn0Wx p2Fa40fOlTkt349K6l0vYyYD =On6P -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: automatic templates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:18:50 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TB Well, look at Allie, 97 list members tried to get him out on a date TB until he changed his name to Curtis :-) TF How many have tried since he changed his name? ;-) Uhm, none? :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "PCMCIA: People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcnslfAXeSHuB5k3EQIckwCgqhN456tbQxX8GUUzALvGIcZXdfsAoOsT e9KIJSvH/NM8mCMhQxnY0B1o =TBAF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Rogues Galery (was: Re: automatic templates)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:17:38 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP Address book autoview. If you have the photo in the AB entry, you MDP get to see who's talking. Speaking of address auto-view. If you have it activated and you click on the 'edit address entry', nothing happens if the address is not in your address book. Neither is there a way to add the address via the address auto-view. If you press the 'edit address' button and the entry is not in your address book, wouldn't it be more useful if a pop-up appeared saying that the address is not in your address book and if you would like to add it. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "If marriage is outlawed, only outlaws will have inlaws. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcnuVPAXeSHuB5k3EQKruQCeNSr1kQ7iqnD4c9S+TUSgriRTinQAnjMF RFVP2LTjHDpEw/xbdEF2332/ =VW3c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Directory Tree
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:55:09 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: A In The Bat!, you cannot collapse a sub-tree by pressing the ARROW-LEFT A key, although in Windows Explorer you of course can. A Any ideas why? TF Hmmm. "Let's follow Microsoft, they set the standards"? I wouldn't take that cliche too far. It does have it's merit but not in this instance IMHO. When I discovered this problem with the folder tree navigation, I actually went through the trouble of going through all my apps to see if *any* of them did tree or thread navigations differently using the arrow keys. None did. What makes matters worse, TB! follows the 'MS' standard everywhere else in the interface. Start copying a message to another folder and when the little folder list pops up, navigate it with the arrow keys. Try navigating the filter rules with the arrow keys in the sorting office filters. There's consistency in windows and windows supporting apps here. Why break consistency unnecessarily. It doesn't matter where the source of the consistency came from but whenever there's a more or less established piece of consistency, it should remain that way. If the application decides to break it, then an option should be available to use the more consistent method. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Variables won't; constants aren't. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcnwovAXeSHuB5k3EQJcNwCfaX6pTvDouZX8IQfcdxMShlPszVMAoK3a IWzHpyW+jF34SDcndJLLEOT3 =Ky1q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter Analogy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:31:05 -0400, Paula Ford wrote: PF I'm glad it's clearer to you, but I don't like the analogy of multiple PF robots who examine the email. I prefer to think of it this way, using PF moving messages to folders to illustrate. PF I have one robot - the sorting robot. It's not too bright, but then it's PF only a computer. When an e-mail message arrives, my robot looks at it, PF then looks at the first order I've left for it - the first rule in my PF Incoming Mail filter. "Does this message match this order?" it asks PF itself, thankfully not bothering me with such questions. If the answer PF is "Yes", it plops the message in the folder I've designated. Then, it PF scurries off to get the next message. rest of robot analogy snip ROTFL!! That one was funny as well as accurate. Hey Tony, I think this one is better for the kids than mine was. :-))) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcnx5fAXeSHuB5k3EQJtVQCg0to/Op0dgKamW9eSmr3BEk/VeYIAoPRB p493lfXuY63WvmBFKGwwJUNr =6tdN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Rogues Galery (was: Re: automatic templates)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:39:14 GMT, Rob wrote: People with a nervous disposition may not wish to use this feature. R LOL !! R btw ; i noticed you can also include a picture in your PGP public key ... R but that feature does not seem to be used a lot. It's very nice and I use it. :-) If anyone desires my updated key with photo, they can get it off the keyserver of use the mailto: link in my signature. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Nostalgia isn't what it used to be. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcnzLfAXeSHuB5k3EQLGrwCgxn/RYrOmz3lTrPLFqANlOtB1uBMAoJP1 mBzLWvg179W7DWeg75X1ZCdm =SIuA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat Interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:07:05 +0100, Graham wrote: [] G I'd like to see an interface that is clean, easy to use, using more G of Windows GUI capabilities, but keeping that power. That's all. This is vague. I'm interested in that part about using more of Windows GUI capabilities. What do you mean by that? Could you expand? - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "You're not paranoid if everybody is really after you. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcn0OvAXeSHuB5k3EQIW1gCfRM2HTEz232pYqB0PQT6hf+gk5LQAoLwK kD/7Y7EFKBfk0UdSYxmklca/ =BQI4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat Interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:49:28 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: G but the inclusion of Tony's glyph file makes The Bat a little less G "clunky" to me and is therefore a step in the right direction TB Forgive me for appearing a bit thick here but less Clunky? TB It's just a graphical alteration, pretty little icons, purely TB cosmetic. The glyphs do nothing to alter the performance of The Bat TB one way or the other. I guess Graham's statement above gives me more insight into his feelings and what he means by clunky. :-) It would appear to me Thomas, that Graham dislikes TB!'s raw appearance and that it could look simply more attractive. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "As I said before, I never repeat myself. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcn0xvAXeSHuB5k3EQIPJwCePqc9bnMmNOnaE9lTmVWEm0JMUZQAoMHV /4fgvqUCtt5UsQo40dNR89jT =g1Mz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat Interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:49:28 +0100, Tony Boom wrote: TB You can make as much difference by using a different desk top theme or TB changing the colour scheme in Desktop Properties. Try using Window TB Blinds, that changes the appearance even more and it'll change the TB performance... Slow it down a great deal. Slow it down a great deal?? How much RAM do you use? I see no speed diminution whatever on my computer here. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (P)anic " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcn1M/AXeSHuB5k3EQL9FwCdHItez/T3QMztCmxApuflu+P/wD8AoJTU iUEukUXTiRV2PFqbHzFvtY0S =/jv5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat Interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 01:53:46 -0600, Jack Belk wrote: JB I'd rather have to tattoo email on my thigh than use the TB! editor. JB That's what drove me off and I suspect others. Make it an option and JB those that don't like it can leave it off. My daughter ask me today JB what was wrong with my email. I told her it went batty on me. LOL! TB!'s editor takes a little learning to use effectively. The fact that you can reflow a paragraph by simply hitting Alt+L is not obvious. You can also reflow quoted material as I did yours above, a feature not available in any other Windows based e-mail client editors. TB!'s editor has some real quirks, I grant you that but then it has some knockout features as well. :-) If you can't work with the free caret interface, then I understand. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Help stamp out, eliminate, and abolish redundancy! " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcn4fvAXeSHuB5k3EQKgKgCgugIvAak0iydqVX68EJmK2HVqZYkAoLs8 73aprYIs6YyPla6RCCHx6mLg =nvqF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Main Window in Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 07:14:18 +0100, Graham wrote: JA The seem to be doing a good job of this. Their target users appear JA to be Power users who care more about the capabilities of the JA program than details in the workings of its interface. A. Ok, I'll give you that. :-) G Unfortunately:O((( :-) There's a reason for my saying this Graham. Right now my feelings for TB! are bitter sweet. The bitter feelings are secondary to problems like we just discussed. The sweet feelings come from the advanced features. The advanced feature that has me hooked the most is the use of templates. I use about 20 different signatures and yet rarely have to select a signature specifically from a drop down list, as I would always have to with other mailers. The sigs are filled in appropriately over 95% of the time. I can change my identity on the fly and automatically. In other mailers I would have to reconfigure the account settings or make a selection change. I can randomise statements in my templates and the templates aren't static because of the provision of macros. The filters and per folder configurability are also great features. These are what make me use TB!. If it were just down to the interface, I'd be using something else. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Best way to dispose of the Borg: Give them Windows 3.1. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcn+oPAXeSHuB5k3EQLKegCgiAjweCIGmtJJP3K3B1y5fxZs1mIAoLZ6 l4XI1MTyf6agk1pIWRdARtL3 =F6yS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Keyboard shortcuts (was: Odd behavioural complaints? [was: Re: Deleting messages and spacebarring through 'em])
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:21:35 +0100, Graham wrote: G Absolutely! G If I have an opinion and its legitimately held, and it relates to The G Bat!, isn't this the place to air it? I respect the veterans' G opinions in most things and they should respect ours, too. That G doesn't mean Ritlabs should change the program in itself, but this is G surely one forum they have for judging what their target audience G want. And disagreement is a good thing, particularly when its so well G moderated, as on here (bootlicking over!). Way to go Graham. I agree with you. For everyone, especially newbies who may feel shy or intimidated: *Please*, despite any negative impressions the veterans may give, always feel free to voice your opinions as you like. This is indeed the forum for it. Just leave the profanity by the door before you come in. That's all we ask. :-) Disagreements and healthy arguments will arise. No problem with that. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The best way to win an argument is to be right. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcp3HvAXeSHuB5k3EQKuHACeN6KQlgT8Yr0qu5CwsNRL6V+m7pkAnRzF dBnm3XbGTon/o2KFpvK3lp3H =xIk2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Main Window in Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:33:06 +0100, Graham wrote: A. The advanced feature that has me hooked the most is the use of A. templates. G Whilst I like the way its implemented in TB, its not the only mailer G that uses them. There's no mailer that even *remotely* approaches TB!'s implementation of templates. snip A. These are what make me use TB!. If it were just down to the interface, A. I'd be using something else. G Precisely Allie! (if I can refer to you as such) If you like, and don't get confused doing so. :-) G That's what I've been trying to say. Its the features which Ritlabs G have put in that require a better interface. Whether in this context G "better" means "more attractive" (however that's defined) or "more G like other Windows clients" is open to debate. I like TB, but not the G way it presents itself to the world. Note that when I say that I have problems with TB!'s interface, I'm not referring to just how it looks. I'm speaking of problems with *using* the interface. TB! *looks* fine to me. G Somebody suggested I look at Mail Warrior, a little Windows program G that will fit on a floppy, and it has the kind of interface I would G hope TB would adopt, if not all of the power (and no PGP support). If G it were a matter of the interface, I wouldn't be using TB today. I've installed Kauffman Mail Warrior in the past and distinctly remember it's interface being pleasant but certainly not the answer to TB!'s problems. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Sorrow looks back, worry looks around, faith looks up. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcp1ZfAXeSHuB5k3EQKgWgCgnfX58x3D3TkdYfMw4XfSEL7Dke8AoKci 77UMIYmwDXeZx/6kqWaRyD5M =hlqs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Keyboard shortcuts (was: Odd behavioural complaints? [was: Re: Deleting messages and spacebarring through 'em])
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On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:46:53 -0700, Ming-Li wrote:
ML Q: why can't TB resort my folders automatically? why can't I
ML redefine shortcuts? why can't I re-arrange my toolbar buttons?
ML A: blah, blah, blah... (detailed answers and courteous through out)
I haven't seen much detailed discussions against these requests. :-(
ML Q: why can't I use proportional fonts? why can't I send html mail?
ML A: what a stupid request, you're unfit to be a parent (uh, to use
ML email, I mean), go back to LookOut... blah, blah, blah.
ML Get the picture?
No. I don't get this picture at all. I posted arguments for using a
fixed width font and nearly fell off my seat when I read that there's a
war being waged on the issue. :-) This is not intended at all. It's just
that some feel a bit sensitive about strong, though not rude (we got rid
of that), opposition to their ideas. If I'm strongly against something
I'll say it just as the those against, for example, the editors
behaviour give some energetic posts against it ("I'd rather tattoo a
message on my thigh that use TB!'s editor" or some such hilarious
statement). :-)
It's all give and take. If you strongly criticize a feature, be prepared
for strong criticism in the opposite direction. :-) It's all a part of
healthy, even discourse.
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Re: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 10:30:22 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML Ok, so some people never learn. Or they can forget. It can be a simple oversight. ML What can you do? Forbidding them to use proportional fonts in TB ML won't stop them. My fixed width font advocacy is not confined to TB! but encompasses all discourse in plain text based messaging. It's a good standard to follow. It avoids mistakes. It avoids having to point out anything to anyone. Even those who never learn will get it right. :-) ML They use OE (or Eudora, or whatever) anyway. Not supporting ML proportional fonts in TB won't stop you from receiving such mail. If ML TB support proportional fonts, then at least you'll have the option ML to try to guess what fonts they use (Arial or Times New Roman ML mostly) and adjust the view accordingly. This is what happens when proportional fonts are made optional. An impossible scenario arises. ML If TB wants to be really careful and prevent less-sophisticated ML users from sending such mail, then set the default fonts for the ML editing window to mono fonts should be enough, while allowing people ML to use proportional fonts for viewing mail. This is what I think is ideal. I see no reason why the message viewer should be made to use only fixed width fonts. Viewing messages has nothing to do with anyone else but the user. What font they use is purely up to them. However, composing and sending messages is another thing. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Honeymoon: time between I do and you'd better " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcp6pfAXeSHuB5k3EQL2mwCg43a8E9vr/zA2X9up2kgAcI2Lj3AAoPz+ TXlopTK+aVnJRCAbfpk1Y2dZ =8TWb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat Interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:42:15 +0500, Oleg Zalyalov wrote: ACM Yes. A full-width message list is needed. OZ You can have it, just press enter at the message in the message list. A full-width message list via the main window is needed. grinding teeth this time :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "An egotist thinks he's in the groove when he's in a rut. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcp7zfAXeSHuB5k3EQLOyACgwHR5Znq2nPdlY0XUPxXb6q2cQicAoPHB jI9GT6Odsn6jxVeQenk6kChF =7uqr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB on 2 computers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:12:43 -0500, Katsmeow wrote: K Not exactly. What I am saying is let's say that in the evening I K receive mail and send mail on one computer but I do not add any K folders, or filters, or change the display of columns, etc. All I do K is receive mail, filter it to appropriate folders, and then send new K mail. If I then just copy over the mail folder to my other computer K but do not copy over the registry what happens? If the folder structure in both programmes are identical then you will get what you desire, i.e, appropriate updating of your message bases. K Will the second computer have it in the mail that is in the 1st K computer and will it operate even though the registry has not been K copied over? It will, yes. K I don't want to copy the registry every night becuase (1) it is pain K to do and (2) the second computer needs to use different font sizes K and column width settings than the first computer and if I copy the K registry over these things get changed. You don't have to copy over the registry settings at all. There was one user who did just this each day. He had two installations of TB! with identical accounts and folder structures. Each time he went home he would backup his mail folders and then restore them on his home computer and vice versa. The only account related data in the registry that I know of are the paths to the various mail folders on your hard disk. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Upgrade: take old bugs out, put new ones in. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcp/r/AXeSHuB5k3EQJgJQCg9zIkAnwKOD+qx+damZXltmtJYP4AoJow IT0ckPgfuMol3bpLTAiiHrtF =kDpe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:19:50 -0700, Susanne wrote: S Can you set the view differently for the separate folders? S I set one for 'view thread by subject', but it seems to apply S to all of them, whether I want it to or not. You may set the view differently for each folder, yes. You however, seem to have 'use default column settings' enabled for each folder. You may access this setting by right clicking on the folder and viewing its properties. For those folders that you wish to have their own column settings and sorting, uncheck 'use default column setting'. On another note (moderatorial this time :-)): Please try to avoid creating a new message by replying to another. What this does is place your unrelated message in the middle of a thread that it doesn't belong. What you need to do is create a new message, using the 'new message' toolbar button. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "...put knot yore trust inn spel chequers. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcqB8vAXeSHuB5k3EQKvLwCfflpQN5gu3KuXCRBYPdeIgRvRl6MAniTz ke/w0M4w5MnfrGYnSh6cTZRp =64w2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Grid index out of range. ???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:43:33 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: KE Although i like the bat, there's one extremely anoying thing i've KE come across. When i delete messages from the viewing list, every KE once in a while i get this dialog saying "grid index out of range" KE and then an ok button. When i've pressed this one i can't do KE anything more with the message list. I can't delete a msg, i can't KE move to the next message, the only thing i can seem to do is read KE the next message, but only that one, then the subsequent messages KE are not selected and i'm forced to restart the bat! in order to get KE things back to normal again. Does anyone recognize this? I used to experience this bug when I re-filtered messages in a folder with threading enabled. When I disabled threading and did the deleting, the problem stopped. I've reported the bug to Ritlabs already. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "A man needs a good memory after he has lied. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcqOw/AXeSHuB5k3EQJtfQCgm+PJM/rwoYqRv2Uz+/j/k7KxnPwAn3r6 LcB/rmYJQw1aWL1Wfrhs1BEk =1r+U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:26:44 -0700, Susanne wrote: S Thanks. I wasn't aware the default column settings had that kind of S effect on the view choice. Is there an updated help file somewhere? I'm afraid that all you have there is all you'll officially have for now. If you visit the TB! FAQ Pages you may get more information there. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/FAQ.html S I have to rely on 'help' heavily, being just a 'run of the mill' user S with no deep insights into the workings of programs g. We all have to rely on help if we didn't write the program ourselves. :-) Needing help is not by any means unusual. Keep asking. S Sorry about that. I thought just taking the name out of the S 'to' line would be enough. Unfortunately not for message threading. S I'm still having a bit of trouble with the address book. Haven't S figured out how to automatically place addresses I reply to in S there. You could use a replied filter for this. Do the following: a) Open Sorting Office filters in the Accounts menu. b) In the Sorting Office Filters dialog, highlight "replied messages" and hit the new button. Give the filter a name. I called it 'add address'. Ignore the source and target folder settings. Ignore the filter strings settings as well. Enable the 'manual' as well as the 'active' options. c) Move to the actions tab and enable 'Add address to the address book' and select 'Sender' from the adjacent drop down menu. Also select an address book group to place the address in. d) Move to the Options tab and enable " Execute action set of this rule by pressing the Hotkey" and define your hotkey. I defined mine CTRL+ALT+Z (sure not to conflict with other shortcuts) Note: Do not enable 'check selected message against this rule'. You're done. Now if you wish to add the address of the sender to whose message you replied, highlight the message in the message list and hit CTRL+Alt+Z. PS// Come to think of it, you may create this filter in any of the filter groups. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Get the facts first - you can distort them later! " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcqXZfAXeSHuB5k3EQIhSACeOOET6A7WUq/p2GeQhYnvzPbKCTMAmwY4 hZEXy8yPOlD75CyfZ39fROis =f/8L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:19:01 -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote: ACM You could use a replied filter for this. ACM Do the following: IGNORE all that tripe. Just highlight the message, and from the popup menu go to specials and select 'Add sender to address book'. PS// I think I better go lie down. Anyway, the filter could be automated. If you wish to automate, say the word and I'll explain. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Have an adequate day. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcqadfAXeSHuB5k3EQKuOwCfX9WqP/0S5twIUsEJjpHqOOO267sAoIxp stSJ7TmCpz3mbb+GCB+6xoRb =uyCT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:51:30 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: KS That works, but you still have to press three keys KS (Ctrl+Alt+Z). Isn't it much easier to do this, or do I miss KS something? KS Hit reply. The person or list that you reply to, will KS appear in the To field. KS At the end of the To line, you see three icons: KS- a down arrow that, when clicked, shows the history of KS your recent addressees; KS --a blue left-pointing arrow that actually adds the KS current address to the address book straight away KS- a book icon, that brings up the address book. Yes, but how do you add a senders address to the address book? Highlight the message and hit Alt+W. No need to open a reply. If you wish to add the senders address to a specific group with a shortcut then the filter I explained above would be the way. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Spell chequers dew knot work write. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcqn7fAXeSHuB5k3EQI2gwCfUT34tATYku0nE5HvgfIHm7OVceUAniKa 3BinzZom+q3c8+4SY2x3ZL+k =iqod -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat Interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 06:33:46 -0700, Nick Andriash wrote: NA Graham is referring to a new Glyph's file that someone had sent me which NA had quite a few of the Eudora icons in it. I have subsequently lost the NA file due to a reformat of my HDD, and I cannot remember the name of the NA individual that sent it to me. NA Graham, there was a small discussion on it, so perhaps taking a look back NA through the archives might help. I think it was Tony Boom. I may have the glyph file somewhere but this doesn't amount to an interface change at all, but just a change in appearance of some of the icons in the interface. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "IBM: I Buy Macinstosh " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcj0DfAXeSHuB5k3EQJOfACcDJkUH2RQejMu4yZE0igK7RAKbYQAn3tc UVRiAjFSXzlg3b7539edViXR =qto0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Main Window in Bat! (was: Re[3]: more new user questions)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:44:46 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: ML What's does this do? ML Oh, wait a minute, let me try it. Ah-so, I see. Thanks for teaching ML me this shortcut. How come it's not on the "complete" shortcut list? ML Maybe it could use a little update. CTRLSHIFTE is there in the "View" menu beside the message auto-view option. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Shin: A device for finding furniture in the dark. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcj0pPAXeSHuB5k3EQJ1tQCggAosUt63mYNG8tARKw8/mMxMKOQAoImU SzaDyGcYunEc8OxiuX+pmbcG =VCq1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:49:49 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: KE If i might go in here, one way to do it is to make a rule based on KE the incoming message which is considered as spam and uncheck the KE sender and recipient boxes and check the subject box. Another way KE that i tried, (it didn't work so well) was to filter a message where KE my name wasn't in the kludges to a spam folder. For some reason, it KE just caught one or two of say five... Oh well those spammers... This is exactly the principle behind the method that I use. Most spam is never addressed to you specifically, but so is discussion list mail and subscribership messages etc. So I filter out all the legitimate mail not directly addressed to me and filter out the mail addressed to me. What is left behind is almost fully spam. I then create a final filter to catch all these 'junk' messages, placing them in my spam folder and marking them as read. I check the folder periodically to see if any innocents have been caught, a rare event nowadays. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "How to Catch Worms by Earl E. Bird " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcj4K/AXeSHuB5k3EQLYrgCg3Q2VwPDplaRXQZ8Ns+vcoG85yroAoLXB 4/FoCIvdMUmaG9g8QzejTgQj =R0en -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat Interface
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:59:17 +0100, Graham wrote: G Quite so, but it's very interesting nevertheless. Eudora icons on G TB?? They do make a difference, but not as much as a new interface G would do. G Still, thanks to Tony for sending them to me! Good that you said this because I was about to send them to you. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "CTRL-ALT-DEL is the key to success " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOckfGvAXeSHuB5k3EQKYXgCeN2pFiBmnTMHcKULtZWBoskrdHekAoIpx Bva61SkzbqHZT8gWta+LMX05 =OYC8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Main Window in Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:53:15 +0200, Avenarius wrote: snip A It's terrible that the preview pane position always returns to the A default (middle of screen) predetermined by Ritlabs. Agreed. I find it very distressing myself, that TB! falls flat on it's back in such a simple way. I've noted the lack of stickiness of the preview window thickness and the main windows sub-window size settings between views for God knows how long. I've made suggestions to make them sticky but nada so far. Bad, IMHO. :-( A Pray what's the logic of that? What could be the *harm* of the window A position being sticky? None ... None! It can only do good. :-) A If there are any people out there who prefer the preview pane to cut A the right half of the main window *exactly* in the middle, as is now A the case, then *that* would simply be *these* particular users' sticky A window position, right? Exactly. :-) A But currently, you have no choice. There's only the default, and A nothing else to choose from. Yes, you can choose, but once you make your choice, you can't switch to another view. ;-b JA However, I don't know many programs that remember settings to old JA arrangements after they've been changed. cough Are you serious there Januk? TB! is one of the few that I know that doesn't remember such settings. It's a very prominent shortcoming, simply because it's so basic in nature. JA This one is sticky on my system. A Are we talking about the same thing? I mean the *user-modified* width A of the account tree, after you switched back to another view (let's A say, full-width preview window) and then *returned* to the full height A account tree. The frames are always back to default, in my version A (1.46, beta/6). This has been the case since I've been using TB!, that's over a year and a half now. JA TB is not known for the lack of keystrokes if you want to use the JA keyboard shortcuts. A You've got to be kidding. Have you ever laid eyes on Pegasus or A Opera's mailer? If you'd like, I can forward to this maillist the A list of astounding keyboard shortcuts (few as they are!) from Opera's A mailer -- your eyes will pop out. TB!'s shortcuts are there but the mapping is another of TB!'s weak points and this has a lot to do with the quick search which opens automatically when you start typing in the main view window. IOW's, the quick search facility may be invoked with the use of any of 36 keys when the message list is in focus. Because of this, all the possible single key shortcuts have gone up in smoke. It would have been much better to invoke the quick search with a single shortcut and leave the other keys for single key shortcut mappings, such as 'N' for next unread message, 'R' for reply, 'F' for forwarding etc. JA In the end, the program will reflect the personality and the needs JA of the developer(s). A Come again? I thought, the needs of *end user(s)*. We've already lost A Chuck Mattsen, and others will follow, if customers' wishes aren't A sufficiently taken into account... Quite true. Depends on who the target customers are. Ritlabs needs to make a decision on this and remain focused in this regard. But, Avarenius, what you are complaining of here applies to any customer. :-) JA What you must keep in mind as you evaluate TB is, are there enough JA good points for you to stick around? This is my selling point for TB!. :-) Despite it's problems, overall, it is a knockout. I can't find a better one. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Only those who do nothing make no mistakes. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOckjkvAXeSHuB5k3EQIq1QCgyHFnNtXZO3UVJYMjst5Q9HkkhU0AnA97 7rbksBoWpGaYSQylnDNUlN9P =OfSe -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Yippee! (was: Re: automatic templates)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:16:10 -0400, Havivah D. Schwartz wrote: HDS This was it. When I saw the above-mentioned thread this morning, I HDS didn't have time to check it out, but yes, that was my problem too. HDS It wasn't just a matter of the blank folder template; I had at some HDS point cleared my New Message template for the entire account HDS (accidentally, I'm sure!!). So all I had to do to solve the problem HDS was to reconfigure my New Message template in my Account HDS Properties. I think Marcel actually suggested this earlier in the HDS thread and I just didn't catch on to what he was getting at. It HDS would be really nice if a warning popped up before a blank template HDS was saved, saying something like, "You should not have a completely HDS blank template. Each template must have at least one macro. May we HDS suggest you insert the %CURSOR macro?" I know I'm asking TB! to HDS protect me from my own stupidity, but, hey, we all make mistakes, HDS right? (well, maybe I make more than most...) I think you're being too hard on yourself there. :-) There's nothing intuitive about your having to have a default template of some sort defined in order for an address book template to function properly. I can't see why this should be the case but it's not such a big issue more than that the problem has been recognised so... - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Oxymoron: Random Order. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOckmZfAXeSHuB5k3EQKGxQCffaQXlfn/KPrz+71uLz1NaDIHKSEAn3J+ xXBRblf6vRvYO92k4tXqX2bG =/EeK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Column width with threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:50:30 +0200, Oliver Sturm wrote: It's because TB needs the extra space to accommodate the "plus" signs and dotted lines that visualize the relationship of a thread. OS Yes, but (acting like a pure user) that's only the column's content OS to me. The column doesn't expand width when the subject is long, so OS why should it expand when there's a plus? Agreed!! It's been ever since I started using TB a few months ago. I don't like it, either, but so far I haven't got any better idea. OS That's simple: stop the grid from resizing the column on expansion. OS Or, internally *reduce* width after expansion of the plus. Did you OS ever submit that as a bug? It's a bug to me... after all, you can OS even configure the exact width of columns by pixels (whatever that OS should be good for), just to have them scroll out of view when OS reading threaded mail. Well there are other ways of dealing with the problem. Gravity simply leaves the threaded column width fixed and it's up to the user to make it a reasonable size to accommodate expanded threads. This is somewhat nicer than the TB! method. Agent deals with it in a nice way by not listing the same information over and over again. It makes the subject column the one used for threading. After the initial subject has been listed, the name of the subsequent posters in the thread appears in the subject column instead of the subject. This avoids listing the subject over and over again, and it also offers a nice wide column to thread the sender names. Agent also has a setting for you to limit the depth of the threading, after which the names are simply stacked on top of each other. I like this way a lot but others seem not to. X-News offers a similar method to Agent in that the thread subject is displayed only once and that is at the beginning of the thread. After this, a little card-like icon is displayed in the subject column and reflects the flow of the threading. Because of this, very deep threads can be completely displayed without the subject column having to be widened. This method I like the most. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Faith is good, but scepticism is better. - Giuseppe Verdi " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOckpV/AXeSHuB5k3EQKXEwCfee9pv1jsxjgQIBzN4Vdmh83QvXQAnAhz 8celAaeim94nCQYWCyHFSYZI =c0k7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter Analogy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:56:28 -0600, jbelk wrote: j There are actually as many robots as filters I've created. Each of j these little robots examine all the mail to see if any of it suits j what their defined job. If so, they grab it. Exactly. :-) j If not they leave it in the inbox for another robot (filter) to j examine. True. They'll also leave it for other robots to examine if the robots user request does not involve moving the message and if you have told the robot to 'continue processing with other filters'. :-) j After all the robots have examined all the mail whatever left over is j still in the inbox for me to manually sort. That's right. j If, for some reason, two robots see mail that fits their programming j they both try to take it and the robot that first get's hold of it get's to do it's thing. The other robot whose programming fits the message will not get the message to do it's thing. This is why the order in which you line up the robots to sort your mail is important. j but in the end leave it in the inbox for me to puzzle over why it j didn't go where I told it to. This has been a great source of j frustration. No. This is not what happens. If more than one robot is programmed to process a particular message, only the robot that is highest in the queue will get to process the message, unless you tell the robot to do it's thing and *still* hand the message to the other robots, ie, to continue processing with other filters. The ordering of my filters is very crucial for me, since there is often an overlap in programming between the 'robots'/filter rules in that a single message often matches multiple filter rules. However, I just make sure that the rule that I wish to get at the message first is highest on the list with respect to the other matching filters. Hope this helps to clear things up some more for you. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "It's smart to pick your friends, but not to pieces. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOck3PfAXeSHuB5k3EQLGJgCgrUKr/FpqjhY6pCO1Xhcj2k38k7YAoNeF t3jFGMjNhD1lwZPf1wrhWdAu =W+Oq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Main Window in Bat!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:45:27 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: JA So let me understand, you want TB to remember your preferred layout JA for every configuration that's available? Isn't that a lot of data JA to be stored? Or do you mean just the sizes of the preview pane, the JA message list and the account folder for every view? If TB! will store message list column settings for each folder and also for each folder views message list window, then why not store the preview panes setting so that when you wish to toggle the preview pane on and off, it doesn't go back to the default setting? TB!'s search window originally didn't keep the user defined size. We complained, we got retention of user defined sizing. The same needs to happen for the preview window. I also need to be able to save even one window layout as the default so that if I switch to another layout, switching back to my default layout will yield a layout with my own frame sizes etc. Now, if I switch to another layout, I have to resize everything when I return the layout that I was using before. JA I think I misunderstood. I was thinking, if you *resize* a pane, how JA is TB going to remember your old size. No, that's not what we mean. Turning off the preview window is not resizing it. TB! should therefore remember the size it was before being toggled off. A Come again? I thought, the needs of *end user(s)*. JA snip Quite true. JA Not really. RIT can only do so much, so they will first focus on JA issues that bother them as well. That sounds like an OSS/Freeware statement. :-) WRT commercial software, the customer comes or should come first. I'd think they would first focus on the issues that affect most of their targeted users. JA They may be prompted by end users, but it is still their decision JA whether or not the problem is worth devoting any of their limited JA resources fixing or improving. Sure. JA The seem to be doing a good job of this. Their target users appear JA to be Power users who care more about the capabilities of the JA program than details in the workings of its interface. Ok, I'll give you that. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The most expensive component is the one that breaks. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOclaEvAXeSHuB5k3EQLIGQCgtNIz8FoAKOtSoT1su07fm2lmrQgAoMHT 8DMX16Z0YsFWKpms3jgC/WQa =j4V6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Column width with threading
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:13:32 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Yes, but (acting like a pure user) that's only the column's content to me. The column doesn't expand width when the subject is long, so why should it expand when there's a plus? JA Try changing your first column to something other than the subject. I'm afraid that will not make a difference since the incremental change in the column size remains the same. The incremental adjustment is absolute and not relative to the initial column size. JA This resizing is a property of the first column. I don't care for it JA much, but there are few good solutions. As Allie mentioned, Xnews JA has a pretty good system, but it is an all or none view. You see all JA the thread, or none of it. I don't understand what you mean there. JA If we could only combine TB's collapsing with Xnew's card scheme, I JA would be very happy. Even the cards wouldn't work with TB!. In TB!, if I use the sender name as the threading column and make it very thick, expanding a thread by one level, further widens the column, even though to two names would have been easily accommodated with the column size as is. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Virtuoso: A musician with very high morals. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOclbpfAXeSHuB5k3EQLLrACgtq9JCUPi+ckLCwAsIVejECV5G5EAoNfY wlFwPU0xOFnkKiWlemtW6TR7 =qrB0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Keyboard shortcuts (was: Odd behavioural complaints? [was: Re: Deleting messages and spacebarring through 'em])
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:00:27 +0200, Avenarius wrote: A I sure don't know what buttons are available because I don't use any A toolbars and I removed all of them from all the Bat! screens. If A there's something I hate it's toolbars. In applications that you only A use once a week they're handy but with one's favourite everyday (or A even every-hour) tools they just get in the way. I've basically done that with Forte' Agent but not yet with TB!. A lot of the keyboard shortcuts are too tedious. :-) A Thank heavens you can at least get rid of all toolbars in The Bat!, A even though keyboard shortcuts only work with about 50 % efficiency. 50%? I know that there are inconsistencies but 50%. :-) You're upset aren't you? :-) A As to details about toolbars, please ask Allie who was explaining A something to Karin. The only thing that you can do with TB! toolbars is move them to different parts of the window. Just hold the toolbar and drag it around. When the frame suddenly gets skinny, it means that the toolbar is dock-able at the present location. It will dock at the edges of the windows and other places as well. You may even have the toolbars float because they will remember their positions. A I wrote this to the list before -- please bear with me, those who've A already read this. When the cursor is located in the message preview A window, THE two keyboard shortcuts that I need most in that very A message preview window, are disabled. Namely, Go to Next Message = A CTRL+ARROW-DOWN (is disfunctional), and Go to Previous Message = A CTRL+ARROW-UP (is disfunctional as well). This is true and I've brought this up before myself. A Why? I'm battling over this myself. :-) A If they can function in the reader window, shouldn't they function in A the preview window as well? My logic runs along the same vein. A The same goes for moving or copying messages. (Moving or copying the A entire message, not a selected piece of text.) Once the cursor is A located in the message preview window, or *even in the main reader A window*, the keyboard shortcuts CTRL+V (Move Message to Folder...) or A CTRL+C (Copy Message to Folder...) are disfunctional. Urhm, now this is different. CTRL+C and CTRL+V copy and paste text, so if you are in the message body area, they'll adopt those functions. Highlight the message in the message list and they'll do as you desire above (ie, copy and move the message to another folder). This is consistent throughout. A Once again, I sorely need these two commands precisely in those A preview or reader windows, *not* really in the message list window A where the shortcuts are currently functional. But CTRL-C will copy text blocks. There's a conflict there. They should not have used conflicting shortcuts. It's untidy to me. They should have used unconflicting shortcuts so that they could work whether or not the message body or the message list is in focus. A Of course, the ideal thing would be, as in EditPlus or MS Word, if A each user could configure his or her own keyboard shortcuts, for each A and every command in The Bat. This really shouldn't be too difficult A for the programmers to enable. Twenty years from now we'll all be A laughing at the fact that there used to be a time when this was *not* A possible. However, I'd rather not wait that long. 8-| This is a upcoming version 2 feature. :-/ I know, it's beginning to sound like a broken record but that's really all I can say. :-) A Pegasus is the king of them all in this respect: press a *single* key, snip So is Forte' Agent. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "A life lived in fear is half a life lived. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcdRnvAXeSHuB5k3EQK3WgCgtgWokjV2HilN7S6nh+t3VUgGHkEAoPUu SLcVcRJVfMaXYUPCDKTj5G1m =wgyb -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Problem with forward template.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:47:10 -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote: CD I am using the template below for forwarding. The problem is that the CD "Hello %TOFNames" is not present when I create a forward. This works CD fine for "Reply". CD Am I missing something? When you forward a message you always have to fill in the To: field. If no recipient has been defined then hello %Toname will not be generated. OTOH, for a reply, the recipient address is always take from the headers of the message being replied to. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "My keyboard has an F1 key. Where is the NASCAR key? " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcfY6vAXeSHuB5k3EQKKuQCg4tF0MBUBYOBjySucWzEizJOno8EAn1Jr cukvrcPkEXCPmUQINZFoVhG4 =w3sj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Karin and The Bat
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:32:26 +0100, Deryk Lister wrote: DL How long's that been lurking there? All this time and I never DL noticed it ;) Probably just as well because I may raise your hopes and then you try entering some of your own text immediately above a quoted paragraph and WHAMMO!!, the quoted paragraph below is wrapped with the text you're entering. To fix that, *immediately* stop typing vbg, and hit altBackSpace to undo the mess. After a few of these infuriating episodes you will one day either throw up your arms in frustration and turn the option off or get the hang of ensuring that a blank line separates you from the paragraph above and the one below before you start typing a new paragraph. The latter happened to me and I have still since turned it off anyway. :-( DL I do see what you mean :-) There are times when I leave a line and DL times when I don't depending on how important I think it is to start DL a new paragraph... time to adapt or leave it :) Pretty much! DL Courier new is nice enough for me! Yukky. :-) I have quite a collection here: Lucida Sans Typ - my choice at present. Lucida Sans Typewriter Oloron Condensed BSU-Kermit and BSU-Kermit Medium Fixedsys Andale Mono Terminal You may visit this link http://home.bsu.edu/prn/monofont/index.html to get at some other fonts. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Hindsight is always 20/20. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcfdQPAXeSHuB5k3EQIqaQCePULm6QH2EtpXHibdN2BU20IMPIYAn0BU yfQmLoVLMP6wQOm1AmG2KtOH =NCV1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:56:13 +0200, Avenarius wrote: A Which one is that, Allie? Where could I find it? I think I need it, A too. Right now I'm using Courier New Bold (not-bold is ugly) and I'd A be willing to trade it for a better-looking one. You may look here http://home.bsu.edu/prn/monofont/index.html for some extra fonts. You may even find some for sale if you're desperate. :-))) ACM The only plus for using a variable width font is a purely selfish ACM one, ie, visual appeal. A Here I don't follow you. It's a daring statement, yes :-); but I think it's true. Why do you use a proportional font over a fixed width font. You prefer how it looks, right? It's the one that you want to read your messages and compose your mail with, right? How does the recipient come into the picture? Where's the consideration for the recipient in this decision? The recipient is not involved, hence it's selfish, or a sender centric choice. Now take a fixed width font now. They are usually pretty darned ugly and tend to take up more screen real estate than a proportional font but there are distinct advantages to it. These advantages stem from what makes it what it is. A fixed width font is one in which *all* characters have the same width. This is in contrast to proportional fonts where all characters do not share the same width and the variation with character widths depends on the variable width font being used. Because all fixed width fonts share this quality of a fixed character width, the formatting of text using a fixed width font will appear exactly the same no matter what fixed width font is being used to display the material. IOW's, no matter which fixed width font is being used, each line of text and word will be have the same exact relative position to each other no matter what fixed width font you are using. This allows the exchange and appreciation of precision formatting between users who are free to use whatever fixed width font they desire. This makes you able to do nice things with the assurance that the person at the other end will be able to see exactly what you intended. *--* * Try looking at this block of text with a * * proportional font and tell me what it looks like * *--* If you look at the above with Arial it will not look as it looks with a fixed width font. Now switch between fixed width fonts and you'll see that the alignment remains the same. A What's selfish is sending html messages and cluttering other people's A mailboxes with unnecessary kilobytes and eventually megabytes. Copy and paste the above underlined text to notepad and look at it using Arial. The underlining is out of alignment isn't it? Now switch between different fixed width fonts. A Yet what I choose to view on my own screen is solely my own business, A isn't it? It can't inconvenience anyone, as long as the posts I'm A sending off are all set to plain text, which they are. But, what font will you use to compose mail? :-) The thing is that the reverse of what I wrote above applies. a) If you use a variable width font to create a box with text as I did above, then for the recipient to see it as such, they would have to be using the *same* variable width font that you used. OTOH, if I did it, you would need to use *any* fixed width font of your choice. It offers you *and* the recipient more flexibility. Not selfish. :-) b) If I use a fixed width font or my own variable width font, I could never send you precisely formatted material and expect you to be able to read and see it as intended because you are not using a fixed width font and you may very well not be using the exact same variable width font as I am. The long and short of it is that fixed width fonts allow exchange of messages between users with full knowledge that the formatting will be seen exactly as intended even though the users are each using their own choice of fixed width font. To achieve the same effect with a variable width font, all users would have to agree to use the *same* variable width font. I hope that helped clarify my initial statement? :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Skiier: Someone who pays an arm and a leg to break them. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcfkwPAXeSHuB5k3EQKZcwCeLpgzIcBeg4srbAKI7Axg4/zk1rgAoPsb HhrVV36Srj4ZZ/bkWSlmGexG =vuPA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message t
Re: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:03:26 -0700, Ming-Li wrote: snip ML As I've said many times, I personally like mono fonts just fine. But ML I see no point waging a war against people who prefer proportional ML fonts. Waging a war? :-) LOL! - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Smile... people will wonder what you've been up to. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcf0ovAXeSHuB5k3EQLDuQCfbhypNBhyy1UrT1J2YGWT6N0ZQrgAoJf8 8B2OQtQ73EAAUgZfwnfhbe3X =NHNY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: filter problems and questions.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:38:21 -0600, jbelk wrote: Karin Go to the Options tab and tick Continue Processing With Other Karin Folders. I personally have never had reason to use this option. j First, I've heard of this. It seems to not be the default but is j necessary to make the filter work right. No, it's not necessary to make a typical filter work right. By default, each incoming message is checked to see if it matches a filter rules string matching criteria. Each filter rule is checked starting from the top of the filter list and working downwards. As soon as a filter string match is found, the matching filters actions are applied and no other subsequent filter is applied to the same message after that. IOW's, by default, either a single or no filter rule will be applied to a message. Take for example you have a message that will be filtered by filters rules 1 and 4 in the filter set below. Filter rule 1 Filter rule 2 Filter rule 3 Filter rule 4 By default, once a match is made with filter rule 1, the message is no longer matched with any other filters. You have to keep this in mind. One of the reasons why a filter will not work is if the intended message is being filtered out by a preceding filter who's string search matches the message. The importance of the ordering of your filters now becomes evident. j I re-read the help files and didn't see it there. Should this box be j checked on all filters? OR just all but the last one? I don't use this check box at all. This option basically instructs TB! that even though the message has been matched to a particular filter rule, to continue matching it with the other filters. This will only work if the initial filter rule did not move the message to another folder. j This sure is counter intuitive to my way of thinking. The FIRST j filter I set up in any program is one that blocks the hundreds of j spam messages that flood all email addys that have been around for a j while. If you're going to put that filter first, it has to be really specific and not inadvertently filter out good mail. I'd advise you to put the filters for legitimate and important e-mail first on the list and then after that, put the spam filter/s in place. j Is it a bug to add new filters at the bottom of the list?? I note that TB! does this through the quick filter method, although there's an option to 'override existing filters' which places the filter at the top of the list. It's risky to put the filter at the bottom of the list because the intended messages have to not match any filter that precedes that last filter in order for the last filter to work with the intended messages. j And what is the difference between the "!address" and "Presence: No j ?" Seems to me it's the same thing just more convoluted. It just makes it more flexible. You can set your filter to be applied if the defined string is found in the message or if it is not found in the message. Take for example, in my filter rules there's one that will send an auto-reply not only when 'SendAlliePGPKey' is found in the subject field but also if neither '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' nor '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' are present in the headers. So for the filter I have the following strings: Strings LocationPresence - --- SendAlliePGPKey Subject Yes [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kludges No [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kludges No j So does this mean every time a new spam sneaks through existing j filters I'll have to create a new filter for it, open the Sorting j Office/Filters and move the new filter somewhere else? Is there a way j to just add the latest intruder to the existing spam filter? Just out of interest, how are you going about creating the spam filter rules? To what string are you filtering to because spam artists rarely ever send spam using the same name or from address. Creating filters to these usually amounts to a futile exercise. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "I have enough trouble single-tasking! " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/3 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcglW/AXeSHuB5k3EQIt+wCgvdZg0X9b8jZN+gMeCP3ASK7J5JkAmwZ5 qEaDjRgT72/HysvjPuqont/+ =clmG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Virtual folder
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:40:29 +0200, Krister Ekstrom wrote: ACM Hehe. But remember that the tickers text properties is ACM configurable. You can choose whatever font and size to use, even a ACM variable width font. ;-)) KE But i don't think that's the problem. The thing is that because the KE text in the ticker seems to be scrolling, my screen reader goes nuts KE when it tries to read it... Well perhaps not nuts but it presents me KE with some difficulties, and i couldn't hide the ticker until i by KE mistake right clicked and got a poput menu with the option to hide it, KE and it seemed to screw up my screen... Well, nuff whining, i don't use KE it now but i'll check out the configuration possibilities. :-) Yeah, I understand you perfectly now. Thomas clarified things for me. When you said that you were blind I thought you were exaggerating, something that is done in my parts a lot by those who can see but wear thick lenses. g Now I realize that you meant it. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "This is a job for.. AACK! WAAUGHHH!! ...someone else. - Calvin " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcX9GPAXeSHuB5k3EQI4mwCfU4BsIwvURz4orhk3CExE1GYC/mIAnj0c 5gSTVBtAEVLoF06Ej6A59Kpd =yKtO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: THE BAT and PGP 2.6.3 executable
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:25:38 +0100, Graham wrote: G No matter how I try, I cannot get the function TOOLS/PRIVACY/CHOOSE G PGP VERSION/2.6.3 executable to work. G At first I thought it was because I was using PGP 2.6.3ckt, so I G changed back to PGP 2.6.3ai. snip I have a strong feeling that you will not get much feedback on this problem here because most of us that use PGP, use the external version PGP 6.5.x with the PGP plug-in DLL. I suggest that you write a note directly to Ritlabs support as well. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Positive: Mistaken at the top of one's voice. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZUiPAXeSHuB5k3EQKdTQCaAyC0rzuWxmg8N1SL4AWhyvX6HwcAn3Qm sjZzIeiH0YN8LKoK6/nsSBOr =tgze -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: NewB Q: Deleting threads/Key shortcuts in viewer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:25:47 +0200, Dierk Haasis wrote: No, it's a bug qualified as an "annoyance" earlier today by two members of this list. DHReally? I always liked this, since I can start from the beginning DH(oldest messages/threads first). It annoys me that the cursor DHstands where it was after deleting only one message regardless of DHhow I delete the message. :-) Interesting that you actually like that behaviour. DHBTW, where to get 1.46c? ftp://ftp.ritlabs.com/pub/the_bat/the_bat.exe - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The road to success is always under construction. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZTifAXeSHuB5k3EQL6EQCff1GFvk5M7ar2bt0RvRT0p4Jic/0AnAky lSn1LiabZL5Dd/oPToiV4dT5 =WyO2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Deleting messages and spacebarring through 'em
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:01:26 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: KS While you read individual message, active "message list" from view KS menu. KS Yes !! That's the one. Thank you a lot. Also note Karin, that the message list in the folder view works independently of the message list view in the main TB! window. The folder view window works with it's own message list as well. This is why you thought moving from message to message was occurring at random. Both message list sortings were different. Note also, the navigational keys on the view folder toolbars. The four buttons with the arrow keys, move you to the next or previous message, with or without first deleting the present message. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "A closed mind gathers no intelligence " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZV2/AXeSHuB5k3EQKG8ACfT+4uHQ+LtD/YKwYWRTLsnYJfIJUAoJ0j jau5jZGrrJCv8dmMeCaveiR8 =xJat -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: S/MIME
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:11:09 -0400, Arthur Warren wrote: AW There's an option in the account dialog (options) that lets you turn AW off S/MIME by default. Now, how I would actually *use* S/MIME is AW beyond me. AW Any takers on that one? It's a pretty involved process and the bulk of it involves getting an SMIME certificate from a certificate authority. We've all been using Thawte. Point your browser to: http://www.thawte.com/certs/personal/contents.html After familiarising yourself, you may now enroll to get certificates. TB! does not yet support getting certificates directly from Thawte. You will have to enroll and create a certificate for Internet Explorer because IE is able to export it's certificates in a format that TB! can import. You have to use IE both when requesting the certificate and when you go to collect it. The certificate will be automatically installed upon receipt. This will be all explained to you as you go along. Now, after you you have obtained your certificate, you need to export it and then import the exported version into TB!. To export the key, go into IE's internet options, go to the 'Content' tab and hit the 'Certificates' button. Select the 'Thawte freemail member' entry and hit 'export'. Go through the dialogs and be sure to export the private key as well as to include all certificates in the certification paths if possible. Now to import the exported certificate, go into your account properties. At the top of the first page, hit the 'edit personal Vcard' button. Go to the 'Certificates' tab and hit the 'import' button. Import the keys and you are set to send S/MIME signed messages. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The man who begins many things finishes few. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZa7fAXeSHuB5k3EQLLWwCg5GCuxE+/buVU6wXpBFMU3vi1bCsAoMWj ZI1x27/vWm48fPM2JPL+AejK =ZqaK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Retrieving same mail on two machines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:56:51 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote: JHK Can i set up TB! to delete a mail from the server when it's been JHK downloaded on both machines and to keep it when it's only received on JHK one machine`? Yes. For the machine that you will be downloading mail from *first*, go into the account settings and under the Mail Management section, enable the option to leave messages on the server. That instance of TB will not keep downloading messages that have already been downloaded even though they have been left on the server. For the machine that you'll be downloading last, setup the account to delete messages from the server. JHK I know Eudora can do this. When retrieving a new mail it is flagged as JHK read on the server and it wont be deleted by that machine. TB! does a similar thing. It keeps a log of which messages have been downloaded and will not download the same message twice. JHK PS. Why doesn't the spell checker check the subject? Don't know. :-) Never thought of that. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZqbvAXeSHuB5k3EQIxRACg1Mso3oRxytWkG2cvdmgGGhvQiM0AoLuV s8Vjj6MyMGmhX9LIwqaOatPm =tCzc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Retrieving same mail on two machines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:18:06 -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote: JHK I know Eudora can do this. When retrieving a new mail it is flagged as JHK read on the server and it wont be deleted by that machine. ACM TB! does a similar thing. It keeps a log of which messages have been ACM downloaded and will not download the same message twice. I just remembered that this may be dependent on the server software with which TB! is interacting. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "...and on the seventh day, He exited from append mode. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZsPvAXeSHuB5k3EQIjwQCeIdhAQi339fdkA45buWfNwDWP/lIAoJJN Le66WPVG83+xg/Ahewm85R6U =uigB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Deleting messages and spacebarring through 'em
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:59:56 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS Hmmm .. so how do you make it so the 'folder viewer' works the same as DTS the main tb! window? You have to manually configure it to do so. Another twist of configurability is that each folders, folder view message list has it's own message sorting settings pretty much like each folder in the main window list. DTS For example .. I have my folder set for thread / subject. I dclick on DTS a message which brings up the message viewer. I see that I can go DTS into view there and do the thread thing again but how do I set it so DTS it automatically follows what the folder is set to? Now that is a piece of functionality that is not there and that I would like to see. I wish everyday, for just what you describe. I would like my view folder message list sorted just like that of the folders in the main window. A switch to do this would be good. At the moment I had to manually go through all the view folder lists and manually synchronize them. DTS Doesn't make sense to have to reset it. What am i missing Others may wish to reset them and there are indeed times when I have exceptions to my general need as stated above. I have a couple folders with the message list sorting being different for the view folder windows. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "What if there were no hypothetical situations? " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZr9PAXeSHuB5k3EQI2pACcCF4oh3HbnEaz+QqYFF9rCQC6s5gAn3vX UCz+Gngo8V1KWh/+5VnxT9E8 =NHRy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:22:48 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: I'll have a go with some of these questions. :_0 KS 1. Before I made a totally new private address book, I had KS already created two nicknames. I can't seem to find them KS anywhere, but they still work - does anybody have a clue as KS to where they might have gone? I don't know. KS 2. Is there any .ini file that can be manually tuned? KS (Sidequestion: why is all the information about accpounts, KS settings, filters, address books etc, all in a format that KS cannot be viewed in file format? TB!'s settings are stored either in the registry or in binary format in the account folders. There has been a lot of negative commentary about this, especially with respect to the use of the registry. Very recently we were told by Max (one of the two TB! developers) that they'll be moving config data away from the registry. As to the other config data not being in readable, editable format? No-one, including myself has really been having any usability problems since all that configuration may be directly manipulated via the TB! interface. KS 3. Is there any way to manually edit received messages (.e.g KS the Pencil function in Eudora, editing the inbox. file in KS Netscape), other than to export the message, edit and then KS import it? I tried the Netscape method - reading a mailbox KS into Wordpad, take out whatever, close and reread the KS mailbox. That won't work. The only way to do this with TB! *alone* is to drag the message to the outbox, edit it there and then move it back to the original folder. The headers will however be changed when you do this. Otherwise, you'll have to export the message, edit it and then import it. The received time will be changed to the time of importation but the headers will not be changed. KS 4. Mailbox management: I miss a drag and drop option that will allow KS you to move the mailbox (properties and all) to a different place in KS the mailbox structure. Are you speaking about folders here. If you are then, depress the alt button while dragging and dropping. To make a folder, a sub-folder of another then hold-down CTRLALT while dragging and dropping. KS Now I need to set up a new mailbox, move messages and adjust filters KS templates. If you are referring to moving an entire account, then alt-dragging also will move the account so that you can change to order of your various accounts. KS 5. Flagging. I can't really figure what the little red flags in the KS overview folder window stands for, or what it is supposed to do. The red flag is a non-specific marker, the significance of which is solely up to each user. It's just there to mark the message. I use it to mark important messages. KS 6. Folder tree: I can't fully gather how the numbers after KS the folder name mean. Example, currently that tree contains, KS amongst others: KS inbox0 (7) 1 (11) KS mailinglists 0 (7) 0 (10) KS- HFH 3 4 KS- Swans 4 6 KS people 0 (1) KS- Zenon 1 KS sotware 0 (16)0 (19) KS- TheBat 1619 Firstly, the inner number columns reflect the tally of unread messages, while the outer columns reflect the total message tally both read and unread. The numbers in brackets reflect the total tally of unread and read messages in sub-folders if they exist. So for the mailing lists folder you have: 0 unread messages but a total of 7 unread messages in it's sub-folders 0 total messages but a total of 10 message in it's sub-folders. - From the folder structure you have shown there, I see no sub folders for your 'inbox' folder, yet it has bracketed numbers. This implies that the 'Mailinglists' folder is in-fact a sub-folder of the Inbox KS My inbox contains 1 read message. Where does the (11) come KS from, or the (7) for that matter? Isn't 'MailingLists' as subfolder of the inbox? That would clarify the numbers in brackets. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Don't Take Life Seriously, It Is Not Permanent. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZ2PfAXeSHuB5k3EQKf3QCgh5QYlOj90x1nVintWoxKSS8BS8EAoJaa 2L1mNxXSNfdEluEzMklnQgd7 =ao39 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archi
Re: attachment removed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:18:18 +0100, Deryk Lister wrote: [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ] Is it your server or mine? That's the dutaint server. DL MDaemon is a *NIX mail system, Actually there's a windows version available. :-) See www.mdaemon.com - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "((HYPNOTIC(((TAG LINE " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcZ6Y/AXeSHuB5k3EQIBWACglzMNpe2DhYfBp4YSsQVFTgkHtscAn0/l g7J3OWhCgHUChDuTFAhm8S6/ =WVn3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:20:18 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP I think you have your folder map wrong. From the numbers you have MDP quoted I would say it looks more like this: MDP inbox 0 (7) 1 (11) MDP- mailinglists 0 (7) 0 (10) MDP - HFH 3 4 MDP - Swans 4 6 MDP- people 0 (1) MDP - Zenon 1 MDP sotware0 (16)0 (19) MDP- TheBat1619 Agreed here. The numbers make sense with what you have there Marck :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Procrastination Day Has Been Postponed! " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcaBbfAXeSHuB5k3EQLnDgCbB2Y3ccyxRFx+JgLsQEHCgk7KypMAnA85 RZrX7RqkMyrIMP6f/sJP5pzW =RHUD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:54:08 -0500, Chuck Mattsen wrote: ACM I'll have a go with some of these questions. :_0 CM Which is the symbol for what? Nose out of joint? Got in a fight CM yesterday? Bad plastic surgery victim? ROTFL!! It looks more like the second, ie, nose out of joint. ;-b I actually meant to put ':-)' there. Switch when you press the shift key for the last two characters and you get :_0. g - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Oxymoron: Small Crowd. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcaDIvAXeSHuB5k3EQJo3wCfXfyQTBXe4yugi/HNuUwF/RA0S9QAoNjm S++wzKvpJZMnP97vkjNt/dcY =bLjS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Retrieving same mail on two machines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:27:16 +0200, Jarle Hammen Knudsen wrote: JHK Yes, this is how I have it configured now. But if I set up the office JHK machine to leave messages and the home machine to delete them I have a JHK problem if I retrieve messages at home which I haven't first JHK downloaded at work. This is what I want to remedy. Oooohhh, Iii se. :-) I'm with you now. Why not leave the messages on the server for about 2 days. In this way, by the time your home machine is ready to delete 2 day old mail, you would have already downloaded them at the office already. If you expect a shorter lag period then you could make it even shorter, like a day. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcaQX/AXeSHuB5k3EQKDjQCfW04z1WbWSalTeAbsemISTwsbyIQAoMsN IAtd6jPOFTo+kkqGs/Br9b8c =jqB8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
Re: Questions (I'm still too new a user)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:39:43 -0500, Joe Finocchiaro wrote: J Other than that, possibly you might want to use the memo function J for random thoughts you want to add to a mail? JF What "memo function" To invoke the memo editor, hit CTRLSHIFTI or go to View - Memo Auto-view. You may associate a memo with each message and there is a column that you may add to your message list to view the memos. You may also view the memo's by leaving the memo editor window open. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Always glad to share my ignorance - I've got plenty. " Using TB! v1.47 Beta/2 «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcaRA/AXeSHuB5k3EQJeAQCfU4JhtY69YINWg1r3Jp7Nv5aWos0AoPdS 5RprL3e0MIt08qW5oLtXf82G =7aXz -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org [ attachment has been remove by MDaemon ]
