Re: getting number of messages
Hello Brano, On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:42:51 +0200 GMT (16/08/02, 14:42 +0700 GMT), Brano wrote: B No, I have different, I use w2k. But problem is: try to full your B inbox with mails, lets say - around 100. When bat is getting number of B messages don't allow to connect to inet (with some software, or - drop B your inet connection:). And now try to abort it... Ah... this is another thing. TB's connection cetner doesn't timeout. I have reported this, and Max sent me a message recenlty, saying that they are working on the connection center. See https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_bug_page.php?f_id=1037 Regardless, the Abort button should work in that case, too. I didn't check it, but it appears to belong to the same category. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The tides are a fight between the Earth and moon. All water tends towards the moon, because there is no water in the moon, and nature abhors a vacuum. I forget where the sun joins in this fight. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: getting number of messages
Hello Brano, On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 12:30:33 +0200 GMT (16/08/02, 17:30 +0700 GMT), Brano wrote: TF Regardless, the Abort button should work in that case, too. I didn't TF check it, but it appears to belong to the same category. B doesn't work. You'd better report it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A journey of a thousand miles begins with a cash advance. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML
Hello Pete, On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:59:44 -0600 GMT (16/08/02, 22:59 +0700 GMT), Pete Milne wrote: PM Forgive me if this has been asked before: AFAIK it hasn't been asked before. ;-) PM Is there anyway to set TB! to not download any html mail, just PM convert it to plain text? No. With the POP protocol, can just download mails (or not). In any case, a conversion could take place only after download. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. At the evening service tonight, the sermon topic will be What is Hell? Come early and listen to the choir practice. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug with Exclusion in Filter?
Hello Jonathan, On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 01:22:41 -0500 GMT (15/08/02, 13:22 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: Let's see. If the filter works if only the first address is in your addressbook, the filter conditions and actions should be correct. The function check whether in AB seems to choke on multiple addresses in the same AB entry. JA Yes... that is a better way of putting it ;) OK, here is some info: I have a filter that checks on whether the To address is in the AB (it is an Outgoing filter, but the principale still stands), and there appears to be no problem. Are you adding and deleting the From address to/from the filter at the same time? Or am I reading this wrong? JA Not sure, but only Add Address to group is ticked, the other is JA not, as to why it has data in it here, I am not sure, but it JA doesn't seem to be affecting the filter, otherwise nothing would JA be added to the address book... no? I think it does affect the filter... If the action is not checked in your interface but it is checked when you cp the filter, we have a descrepancy that is difficult to explain without using the word bug. Before we go that far, please check again that DelAdd is not checked in your GUI, cp that filter again, and confirm that it is included in the filter as pasted. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Der erste Tag am FKK-Strand kann fuer einen jungen Mann sehr hart werden. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: getting number of messages
Hello Brano, On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:35:35 +0200 GMT (15/08/02, 19:35 +0700 GMT), Brano wrote: B in this dialog The Bat! can't be cancelled and this windows hangs. B If Bat can't determine number of messages (in that while connection is B broken) this window can't be cancelled. Try the Abort button in that window. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. COMMITTEE: A body that keeps minutes and wastes hours. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: getting number of messages
Hello Brano, On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:25:28 +0200 GMT (15/08/02, 23:25 +0700 GMT), Brano wrote: TF Try the Abort button in that window. B nothing works. I tried everything. Only one solution is via taskmgr B shut down sending messages, and after that The BAT, and start it B again. That's a bummer, because it works every time over here, using Win98 and a dial-up connection. Do you have the same set-up? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar detector wasn't plugged in. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Hallo DVM, On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 05:52:30 -0500 GMT (15/08/02, 17:52 +0700 GMT), Morton A. Goldberg, DVM wrote: Those who were critical of the Spam Assassin folks for jumping to unwarranted conclusions about The Bat!'s ratware capabilities might not be aware that this very question was recently discussed at some length in NANAE (news.admin.net-abuse.email), the leading anti-spammers' newsgroup. I wasn't aware of that, thank you for pointing us to it. For the convenience of those who do not follow NANAE and missed this very interesting discussion, I have used Google to compile a web page including all of the messages in the four threads posted between 2 April and 30 July of this year. It may be accessed here: http://personalpages.bellsouth.net/g/o/gold3062/batspam.htm Very valuable information. I don't know how old the snippet was we got from the SpamAssassin list, but since the members concern themselves with spam, I would hope they are subscribed to that NG. The question whether TB is ratware has been answered satisfactorily IMHO. Thanks again. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. POLICE STATION TOILET STOLEN Cops have nothing to go on. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copy sent mail from folder to folder?
Hello Blarp, On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:50:51 -0700 GMT (16/08/02, 08:50 +0700 GMT), Blarp wrote: B I'd like to be able to send an e-mail from a particular folder (using B that folder's templates) and have the sent e-mail copied or moved to B another particular folder. How do I do this?? TB doesn't remember from which folder you sent a message. You will have to give the mail an indicator (via foldere template) which can be caught by an outgoing filter. B AFAIK, the outgoing e-mails will not have any particular pattern to B them other than they'll originate from Folder X. So, the indicator could be a string X-File or what after your sig in the outgoing mail, and the X-folder filter will fully filter the X-File mail to the X-folder for further follow-up. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Thursday night - pot luck supper. Prayer and medication to follow. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not to me filter problems
Hello Julian, On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:47:30 +0100 GMT (16/08/02, 06:47 +0700 GMT), Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: JBL In the sorting office, when you set up your filter, did you go to the JBL Options tab, and select Regular Expressions? Filters do not use JBL Regular Expressions by default. He is not using any regular expressions. Why should he activate this? JBL You will also have to escape with a backslash the and . in your JBL email address (so they become \ and \. But if he doesn't activate RegEx, he doesn't need to escape these characters. I see no reason to use RegExes for such a simple query. Paul: What you have done is use the | character for OR. NOT (FirstAdd OR SecondAdd) = NOT FirstAdd AND NOT SecondAdd. The logic is correct, but somehow it doesn't work. Try this: On the Rules tab (not alternatives tab), create both conditions seperately. (You do this by hitting the Add button.) You get: FirstAdd - presence in kludges - no SecondAdd - presence in kludges - no. They will be AND'ed. From a Boolean POV, it is the same as you did, but maybe for some other reason (Murphy?), it could work. Let us know. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. This afternoon there will be a meeting in the south and north ends of the church. Children will be baptized at both ends. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Hello Lynn, On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:58:08 -0700 GMT (14/08/02, 23:58 +0700 GMT), Lynn Turriff wrote: LT Oh dear .. and it's an old trackball, and kind of grubby, LT too!lol! ROTFLMAO! Enjoy your meal... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions II
Hello Julian, On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:18:35 +0100 GMT (14/08/02, 18:18 +0700 GMT), Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: I have seen some small time spammers get TOSd through SpamCop and I'm sure their blacklist is worthwhile but it's not going to reduce your spam if you report things to them. IMHO. JBL I would agree with this (as a paying user of SpamCop). It is probably JBL helpful to report things to SpamCop so that open relays and proxies get JBL identified, but I found that I had far more success at terminating JBL spammer's accounts when I did the investigating and reporting myself. The amount of feedbacks may be less via SpamCop than by a personal mail to the postmaster, but I think this may be because they know that SpamCop is an automated service, which just requires them to act, and it is more likely that they reply to you when you send a mail to them directly. But I think that those postmasters that act responsibly will act when they receive a spam complaint, regardless of whether they receive it via SpamCop or by a user. But what if SpamCop has received over 26,000 bounces from iasiaworks? Do you think it would sense to send a spam report directly? (BTW there is an American company behind them, even though their head office appears to be in Hong Kong.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. On a Korean kitchen knife... Warning: Keep out of children. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bug with Exclusion in Filter?
Hello Jonathan, On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:24:48 -0500 GMT (15/08/02, 01:24 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, you filter on the bounce addresses. Another smart idea I haven't seen before. :-) JA Now for my Address book item for me: JA Addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JA[EMAIL PROTECTED] JA[EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] JA Now if I remove all but the top item, the filter works fine, but if I JA have the other items, the filter breaks, Let's see. If the filter works if only the first address is in your addressbook, the filter conditions and actions should be correct. The function check whether in AB seems to choke on multiple addresses in the same AB entry. But what is this: JA AddAddrItems: afiFrom, JA DelAddrItems: afiFrom, Are you adding and deleting the From address to/from the filter at the same time? Or am I reading this wrong? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I'm not just a gardener, I'm a Plant Manager. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Removable drive
Hello Wayne, On Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:46:56 -0700 GMT (15/08/02, 08:46 +0700 GMT), Wayne Black wrote: WB Is it true that version 2.x of TheBat will have all files needed in WB the main directory? In other words, no need for a registry file? I have not heard this, and frankly, I doubt it. The registry keys that TB uses are located in HK_Current_User and the very reason for this is that many people use TB on the same computer with someone else, and they use different ID's. So they most likely have different settings in their TB and use the advantages of HKCU to its full extent. WB It would be great security too since TheBat would not even reside on WB your computer. I am not sure about this. If all someone needs is to take away the USB drive, and can then plug it in any computer, it doesn't sound secure to me. I feel much safer having depend TB on my PC, over which I have more physical control than over a portable drive. The bad boy has to either sit on my own chair (he who doth that is doomed), carry the computer away (less likely than carrying a USB drive) or gain access through the internet (hacking / trojans etc) which I hope to prevent. No, I think it would be a lot less security if TB resided completely on a USB drive. Unless you lock the drive into a safe, right there with your diamond rings and the cash money the IRS doesn't know about. Ad You have a USB drive and need security for your email? Try SecureBat! Click here: www.ritlabs.com /Ad -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions
Hello Dwight, On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:17:14 -0500 GMT (13/08/02, 22:17 +0700 GMT), Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC I've noticed that several include not only one of my current DAC addresses, but an address which died about 3 years ago when DAC ibm.net got swallowed by attglobal.net. If bounces cleaned bad DAC addresses off lists, that address surely wouldn't still be a spam DAC target. It works the other way round. Spammers by CD's with 1 million or 5 million or so email-addresses. As Jonathan already said, they don't care about bounces. However, the people that sell these CD's collect valid email addresses. I once heard that if you can show that an email address is valid, you can sell it. (I don't know the going rate, let's say for argument's sake, one cent for a hundred addresses). The valid addresses will be included in the next CD. It would follow that they take out bounced addresses, and I can imagine that they do that with a dedicated program, but I don't know anything about that. I sometimes get spam offering these CD's, and there is often a claim that the addresses are all fresh... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I'm in favor of love as long as it doesn't happen when 'The Simpsons' are on TV. (Anita, 6) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Command Line
Hello Daryl, On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 17:54:32 +0100 GMT (13/08/02, 23:54 +0700 GMT), Daryl Field wrote: DF Has there been a discussion of making the backup feature 'driveable' DF from the command line. Yes, there has been such a discussion. Repeatedly, even. Most are in favour of such a command line option. Alas, I know of no reply from Ritlabs. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I have an excellent track record, although I am not a horse, Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Log window size
Hello Adam, On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:37:18 -0230 GMT (14/08/02, 00:07 +0700 GMT), Adam wrote: A Every time I open the log window I can't see the buttons at bottom. I A have to maximize it each time. Can I avoid this? I am not sure I understand this. Are the buttons out of your screen before you maximise, or how does maximising help? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Durch einen Lichtstrahl drangen in der Nacht zum Freitag unbekannte Taeter in den Supermarkt ein. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Hello Lyle, On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:14:58 -0700 GMT (14/08/02, 00:14 +0700 GMT), Lyle Scully wrote: MT Unfounded at that. No they're not professionals. LS Actually most of them are in roles just like I am. And I do consider LS myself a professional. I have been using SpamAssassin on our mail LS server for a year now. I use it personally, and rely on it. LS And yes for the record, I am a mid-size ISP. Thank you for coming forward. I am sure you are a professional. What I was driving at is that the decision we could witness at SpamAssassin was not done in a professional way. Let me elaborate. TF act leaves to be desired. It is obvious that they are not TF professionals. LS Just out of curiosity, what makes you feel they are not professionals? I think I said that in my previous mail. Professionals do not just seee 4 spam mails (out of how many?) with a certain X-Mailer header, and then discuss blocking the mailer based on anecdotal information. LS They are attempting to do something that users are begging for, yet LS all you are doing is talking trash about them. Why don't you do some LS research before you act, as you say, and find out more about the LS project? I understand what they intend to do, and that is a good thing. But from that snippet we got, I can hardly see how they can get there; they might be doing more harm than good. I can only hope you are right in your lashing out at me, and that the thread we saw was an exception and Matt actually meant to ridicule them for whatever grudge he holds against them. Somehow I didn't have the feeling. CMIIR. TF If they even discuss stopping spam on the basis of an email client TF that was used for 4 spam-mails, it is unprofessional. If their service TF is used by professionals, it is scary. LS This isn't how the whole thing works. These people are no different LS than the people at Yahoo! everyone has been complaining about lately. I have no problem with Yahoo, have not heard complaints, and have not received spam from them. Sorry, I don't understand your reference. LS They are looking at the headers for patterns. If they see that a lot LS of SPAM is being sent (he saw four messages, I see many every day) LS with this 1.53d version of The Bat!, then they will take steps to LS track down information (which they did) and if they find it a valid LS concern, will add it to the filter. You actually think it is a good idea to filter on an X-Mailer header? You are aware that it can be faked, of course. But how about the fact that I, on my machine, receive over 90% of legit mail from senders who use TB, and most spam apparently sent with Micorsoft Outlook? But back to the 4 spammails. You say you receive some 250 spam mails a night, and the poster said he had cleared out his spam folder 4 days earlier. Let's assume he receives as many spam messages as you do (IIRC). Makes some 1000 messages in the spam folder, i.e. 0.4% showing The Bat as X-Mailer. No, he didn't say anything about the version number. I wonder what would have had happened had he grepped for Outlook. LS Wouldn't you think that if Yahoo! and others are looking into The Bat! LS being used as a spam program, that maybe, just maybe they have a valid LS concern? Thankfully they are not blocking it on a whim as you seem LS to think they do. OK, so the thread we were treated to was not representative, or the part where the anecdotal information was used for decision-making was doctored into it? Please give me an URL where I can read something (hard facts, no rumours) about Yahoo thinking about blocking The Bat. I'd be really interested in their decision-making process. LS These are not the RBL or ORBS people. They actually do look into LS it before they take radical steps. I would be interested in their approach, i.e. *how* they usually look into it. I know how ORBS adds to their blacklists, and how you can get off the list again, ORBS is very professional (IMHO). TF there is no way but to discourage anybody from using their TF spamassassin. LS If you used it on a daily basis, you wouldn't be so quick to urge LS that. SA works, and it works incredibly well. It is the decision-making process that we were treated to witness that scares me. You really want to rely on that? What if someone had said, his second counsin's third wife uses TB for spamming? Would TB have made it onto the blacklist? TF No mistake in posting it. The lack of additional information is what TF irritates me. And that the people who replied to his message didn't LS Then get on that list and see the additional information that you LS obvious want or need. Please tell me that you are saying we saw only a weird section of the discussion, and the main thread was in-depth. In that case, I am wrong and you can blame me for not having read the whole thread. But alas, my time is too valuable to become a member of that list and read through the thing based on the assumption that there might be something in their favour. If
Re: asian fonts the 100ths :)
Hello Clemens, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:30:53 +0200 GMT (12/08/02, 04:30 +0700 GMT), Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: CGS well, I somehow can't belive that, cause it works in other CGS applications too. I think, I just have to live without Asian Font CGS support in TheBat, as it is way to stupid to do it :( shrug I can display messages in TB in Chinese and in Thai over here. TB is not too stupid for that. But since you have given up, I can't help you any more. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Don't forget your wife's name . . . that will mess up the love. (Roger, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Miguel, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:23:18 +0200 GMT (12/08/02, 05:23 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: I don't see a reason, apart from that all is displayed that you need to access. MAU Come on Thomas, you have to be a bit more open minded. He's not asking MAU to make it bigger, just re-sizeable. You could keep it as small as you MAU wanted for yourself. That's what I said: 1.) I *don't* see a reason why it is *not* re-sizeable. Rephrasing this without using a double negative makes it: It should be re-sizeable. I have seen, also from St.Music's replies, that this double-negative was understood to say the opposite from what I meant. I will avoid double-negatives in the future. 2.) For myself, I don't see a need to resize the window. A useless piece of information, also badly phrased, which was understood as me saying that nobody has a need to resize the window. That's not what I said. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn ich nur darf, wenn ich soll, aber nie kann, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch nicht, wenn ich muss. Wenn ich aber darf, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch, wenn ich soll und dann kann ich auch, wenn ich muss. Denn schliesslich: Die, die koennen sollen, muessen wollen duerfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello Miguel, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:47:45 +0200 GMT (12/08/02, 20:47 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU Sorry, I just understood the opposite. It seems that everybody did, so it was my fault, really. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bright as Alaska in December. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: Double Negative (was: Sorting Office)
Hello Clemens, On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:15:25 +0200 GMT (13/08/02, 05:15 +0700 GMT), Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: CGS Be careful with double negative, for me as a viennese it can mean CGS something double bad, and not make it okay ... Speaking of double negatives, there is different usage in different languages. While in High German, a double negative means positive, I didn't even know that in Vienna, a double negative is more negative than a single negativ. ;-) But you are making my point, read on. In Spanish, the double negative is used to express the simple negative: el no me dice nada - literally, he doesn't tell me nothing - means, of course, he doesn't tell me anything. Which brings us to English: the first translation from Spanish into English above, while grammatically incorrect, is widely used in certain circles is the US. (Also, he don't tell me nothing is not unheard of, which is linguistically quite an interesting development of the language.) So is the double negative synonymous to a single negative, or rather to a positive? The answer appears to depend on the cultural background, even within the English-speaking community. What I am saying is that the double negative should be avoided in English, as otherwise nobody won't understand nothing! ;-) f'up2:tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fw: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Hello Matt, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 15:30:56 -0700 GMT (13/08/02, 05:30 +0700 GMT), Matt Thoene wrote: MT Caught this thread on spamassassin. The Bat will thankfully NOT be MT labeled as ratware. How professional are these people? How much power (in which ever way) do they have? MT Just noticed this one today. A quick grep found it 4 times in my spam MT archive, which is only a few days old. How many messages were in the spam archive? How many messages showed OE or OL as mailer? Why is this guy representative that his finding would have mattered anyway? Because he knows what grep is, he is the guru over there? Luckily, because two people on the same list know people who use TB and are not spammers, TB was not labeled ratware. Wow. I am awed by their scientific approach. Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is doomed. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Fritz Walter jun.: Der Juergen Klinsmann und ich, wir sind schon ein gutes Trio. Spaetere Korrektur: Ich meinte, ein Quartett. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Fw: [SAtalk] Another one for the RATWARE check?
Hello Matt, On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:41:30 -0700 GMT (13/08/02, 10:41 +0700 GMT), Matt Thoene wrote: MT Wow, is there a full moon or something? I've posted a few messages to MT various lists this week and have seen just brutal responses. My anger was not directed at you, but at people who make decisions based on anecdotal information rather than manifesting their beliefs with facts. MT Unfounded at that. No they're not professionals. Not unfounded, as their laissez-fair approach to reasearch before you act leaves to be desired. It is obvious that they are not professionals. MT But they do use a piece of software that does a hell of a job on MT stopping spam at the server. I've seen groundswells on that list MT that get pretty ugly. This could have easily been one of them. If they even discuss stopping spam on the basis of an email client that was used for 4 spam-mails, it is unprofessional. If their service is used by professionals, it is scary. OK, he reported that he noticed these 4 mails. Nobody asked how many spam mails he had checked, and he himself didn't bother to offer this information. Let's say, 4 out of 4. What does that tell us? That it is worth doing a research on this. No more and no less. Now, the decision to not include TB in their ratware list is based on anecdotal second-hand information: I know someone who uses TB and is not a spammer. Oh yeah, me too, says the third poster. How can this even be considered an argument, much less be the basis for the decision to include or not a mailer in their list? These people scare me. If this is how they reach their decisions, there is no way but to discourage anybody from using their spamassassin. MT Just noticed this one today. A quick grep found it 4 times in my spam MT archive, which is only a few days old. MT Improperly notated...(wasn't me who typed this) I know. None of what I say is directed against you, the messenger.It is directed at the growing lack of professionlism in the internet industry, and they are a good example. MT He's no guru of course. He was referring to a piece of spam he received MT that had The Bat listed as the Mailer. He didn't recognize it and posted MT it. Man, why the attack? I was just sending along an informative message MT from another list. Sheesh. No mistake in posting it. The lack of additional information is what irritates me. And that the people who replied to his message didn't even ask, but instead came up with completely irrelevant anecdotal information. Sorry, but if these guys have anything to say in ISPs, the internet is doomed. MT They do. Spamassassin is used quite a bit in the smaller to mid-size ISP MT world...has been for a few years. :- Sca-ry. MT I don't think it's doomed anything just yet. What if that second poster's third-degree cousin (on his mother's side) wasn't using TB? Or worse still, what if he were indeed a spammer, thus proving that TB is worth filtering out on? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Hellenolophobie: Angst vor griechischen Fachausdruecken. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Redirect sets Reply-To to me
Hello Ben, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:45:50 +0100 GMT (11/08/02, 23:45 +0700 GMT), Ben Kennish wrote: BK But out of curiosity, why isn't there an option in the settings BK that lets you clear reply-to on redirect ? BK Shall I post it as a feature request? That is your privilege. Keep in mind that you do not need to insert anything under Reply-To if you want people to reply to the address from which you send. But one thing I would like to advise is that optional settings can be overdone. Please have a look here: http://www.zentrumderarbeit.org/TheBat%21/img/html-kit_preferences.gif (180KB). Credit to Peter Palmreuther. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. All generalizations are false. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Redirect sets Reply-To to me
Hello Ricardo, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:28:49 -0300 GMT (12/08/02, 01:28 +0700 GMT), Ricardo M. Reyes wrote: TF But one thing I would like to advise is that optional settings can be TF overdone. Please have a look here: TF http://www.zentrumderarbeit.org/TheBat%21/img/html-kit_preferences.gif TF (180KB). Credit to Peter Palmreuther. RMR what's that? Did you take a look at the URL? It shows (in an animated gif) the myriad of options for an application. The options are so many as to confuse any user. That was my point. (Si eso no contesta tu pregunta, significa que no entiendo tu pregunta. Mandame un PM y te explico con gusto. - Pero aqui ya son la una y media de la noche y voy a dormir en poco tiempo.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I wonder how much deeper would the ocean be without sponges. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting Office
Hello St, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:45:04 +0200 GMT (12/08/02, 01:45 +0700 GMT), St - Musaic.Net wrote: SMN This puzzles me: Is there any particular reason why the dialog- SMN box for tweaking Sorting Office rules is non-resizeable?!?!? I don't see a reason, apart from that all is displayed that you need to access. SMN And why the hell did they choose that useless small size?!? Useless? It may depend on your display setting, but here I have anything in there that I want to see. Unless, of course, you want to see all addresses that you have entered, but in my case, that would require a much larger monitor. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: asian fonts the 100ths :)
Hello Clemens, On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:19:55 +0200 GMT (2002/8/10, 16:19 +0700 GMT), Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: CGS Strange thing is, that eg Chinese (GB...) characters are shown CGS correctly in the list and headers, but not anymore in the body, CGS thought it selects thr right encoding ... Check out whether the font *size* you have chosen is actually one that you have in the corresponding fonts file. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Why is it that most nudists are people you don't want to see naked? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: font after signature (repeat posting)
Hello Ochrid, On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:18:39 +0200 GMT (2002/8/10, 23:18 +0700 GMT), Ochrid wrote: O (That R understood Dutch, I knew, but Thomas? O Or do you read Dutch like I 'read' German?) Ik kan niet nederlandse spraken, but I understand a bit. I grew up in Hamburg, which is just a 4 hours' drive from A'dam - where we spent quite a number of weekends as students. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I prayed for patience once... And I'm STILL waiting! Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: asian fonts the 100ths :)
Hello Clemens, On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 22:11:54 +0200 GMT (11/08/02, 03:11 +0700 GMT), Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer wrote: Check out whether the font *size* you have chosen is actually one that you have in the corresponding fonts file. CGS Well of course not. Courier New has no sets for Japanese or Chinese, CGS but I don't see a reason to change this, cause I dislike the way eg MS CGS Gothic looks like ... Furthermore MS Gothic has only Japanese, no CGS Chinese view for example ... I don't see how you can display anything in Chinese without a Chinese font. CGS So as long as u can't set it individually ... Fonts are graphics. What do you want to set individually? CGS but sill I am a bit puzzled what u mean with size ... :) I mean size. Go to your Windows\Fonts directory and open any fonts file. Courier New (True Fonts File) has the name cour.ttf on my machine. When you open in, you find 1.) description, 2.) The whole alphabet, and 3.) The fonts in different sizes, each size in one line preceeded by the size in pixels. I once got a new font sent by a friend and it would display. I checked the font sizes and adjusted my app to one of the ones mentioned, and it suddenly worked. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. What happens if you get scared half to death twice? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: browser association (2nd posting)
Hello Ochrid, On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 09:36:49 +0200 GMT (2002/8/9, 14:36 +0700 GMT), Ochrid wrote: O Mozilla is my default browser. IE takes over only when clicking O an URL in a TB! message. Which browser is mentioned for .htm and .html in HKCR? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Andreas Moeller (Schalke 04): Ich hatte vom Feeling her ein gutes Gefuehl. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The defualt file extension in Attachment Save Dialog
Hello Anthony, On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:04:59 -0700 GMT (2002/8/9, 14:04 +0700 GMT), Anthony Xin Chen wrote: AXC See Date/Time format specifier in Help for how to set it up. AXC I changed it to the following, standard American date format. Thanks, that helps (I set it to the European standard). However, I now have the month in numbers but want it in words (in English). I guess that's not possible with my Windows setting to Chinese. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Monday is an awful way to spend 1/7th of your life. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automate the task
Hello Dave, On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 00:07:07 -0700 GMT (2002/8/9, 14:07 +0700 GMT), Dave in Phoenix wrote: DiP One of the virus sites had all this info including about how it uses DiP cache files, but I forget which one it was Never mind, my question was whether and not how, and you have answered it. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. QUESTION: If a fire hydrant has H2O on the inside, what is on the outside? ANSWER: K9P Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The defualt file extension in Attachment Save Dialog
Hello Syafril, On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:59:31 +0700 GMT (2002/8/9, 12:59 +0700 GMT), Syafril Hermansyah wrote: Does anybody know how I can set the language in the message list other than with the Regional setting? After all, my reply RegEx still works fine with English months (see above). SH Add en after the %macro name, for instance %DOWen, or completely SH using Regex avoid %macro. Sorry, I was not talking about how to change the language in the replies, but in the Message List. Thanks anyway. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Die Pille fuer den Mann wurde bei 2 000 Maennern getestet. Und tatsaechlich - keiner von ihnen bekam ein Kind! Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Case sensitve email addresses
Hello Jonathan, On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:14:47 -0500 GMT (2002/8/9, 23:14 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA Not entirely true in extreme cases. It is possible to setup mail JA services to act with case-sensitivity, making jon.angliss different JA from Jon.Angliss. It is a pain to do, and requires a lot of JA configuring in multiple places, which is why 99% of the time, email JA addresses are case-insensitive. I didn't just now go into the RFC's, but I believe that email addresses should be case-insensitive. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I'm not rushing into being in love. I'm finding fourth grade hard enough. (Regina, 10) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The defualt file extension in Attachment Save Dialog
Hello Peter, On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:49:06 +0200 GMT (2002/8/9, 17:49 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: TF However, I now have the month in numbers but want it in words (in TF English). I guess that's not possible with my Windows setting to TF Chinese. PP Simply give it a try: change 'mm' to 'mmm' or ''. But I guess this will PP display the months name according to locale settings, at least this is PP what's happening over here if I set 'locale' to 'English'. Your guess is correct, as I tried this before posting my message. PP So you might have to decide: either 'strange' default extension and months PP names, or '*.*' and months in numerical format :-) (or you learn to read PP Chinese months and get used to use them *GGG*) I *do* read the months and days of the week in Chinese. And a little bit more. :-) However, they are not displayed in Chinese on my machine, because I have tweaked the registry to display European characters when high ASCII characters encountered. My choise is to either display Chinese correctly or German - and I chose German. So, the Chinese characters in the message list are translated into whatever character there is at that place in the Western European character set. And that makes it unintelligible. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: font after signature (repeat posting)
Hello Roelof, On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 23:12:59 +0200 GMT (2002/8/9, 04:12 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: RO Two possibilities: RO 1) Stop using dash,dash,space,enter in your template for that list. RO (Helps only when you're really the only one.) You mean if he is the only one *member of that list who receives any postings*, right? Because otherwise this looks you are recommending that he stops using the sig delimiter, and that would cause me to disagree with you. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn morgens frueh der Wecker rasselt, ist der schoenste Tag vermasselt. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The defualt file extension in Attachment Save Dialog
Hello Anthony, On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:00:53 -0700 GMT (2002/8/9, 04:00 +0700 GMT), Anthony Xin Chen wrote: AXC My OS is Win2K Traditional Chinese version with Service Pack 2. I am on C-Win98 (Traditional Chinese, Taiwan - Big5). AXC The problem occurs whenever I set the region to English (US) from Control AXC Panel/Region/General Tab/Region. OK, mine was set to English (UK). AXC The problem goes away whenever I set the region to Chinese Traditional AXC Chinese. I can fully confirm this! I have set my region to Chinese (Taiwan), and now the attachment default file is *.*. You have saved my life! (Well, not quite, but you have solved a long-standing mystery.) AXC So it seems that the region must be set to the same as the Windows AXC language version. Otherwise Bat! is confused by the file association. Does this apply only to Chinese? I would think this applies to CJK, but only to CJK. But what bothers me, I cannot explain it. Can anybody else who is not using traditional Chinese confirm this, be it double-byte or single-byte languages? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The most precious thing we have is life. Yet it has absolutely no trade-in value. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automate the task
Hello Dave, On Thu, 8 Aug 2002 14:01:07 -0700 GMT (2002/8/9, 04:01 +0700 GMT), Dave in Phoenix wrote: DiP Often From addresses are found by the virus in address book or DiP cache file for browswer. Make that Windows Address Book (WAB) instead of address book. If you are only using TB's addressbook and you .wab file is empty, Klez will starve an ugly death. OK, about the cache file in the browser I didn't know. Do I need to click on the address on the web page in order for Klez to use it, or is it sufficient to just view the page? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The defualt file extension in Attachment Save Dialog
Hello Anthony, On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 12:02:23 +0700 GMT (2002/8/9, 12:02 +0700 GMT), Thomas F. wrote: TF I can fully confirm this! I have set my region to Chinese (Taiwan), TF and now the attachment default file is *.*. You have saved my life! TF (Well, not quite, but you have solved a long-standing mystery.) Annoying side-effect: The DOW and Month in the message list is now in Chinese. that would be too bad (I read that much) had I not disabled Chinese characeter display in the registry, because I need European characters to display correctly. Now all I have is garbage in the DOW and month fields of the message list. Does anybody know how I can set the language in the message list other than with the Regional setting? After all, my reply RegEx still works fine with English months (see above). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Top-Reply (was: USING GnuPG...)
Hello ETM, On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:22:55 -0400 GMT (04/08/02, 09:22 +0700 GMT), ETM wrote: E A file folder (in the US) runs with the oldest paper at the E bottom and the current papers proceeding in chronological filing E order to the top of the stack. Is this a country thing? No, this is done the same way the world over. That is also the reason why I top-reply in (my) business environment. I need the file complete. (Not all businesses work this way though, but that is not the point here.) But this here (TBUDL) is a discussion list, not a business file. You do not need to keep the legal proof together; what you want is to maintain a fluent conversation of several people on one subject. The easiest and most sensible way to do that is to quote the paragraph or sentence you want to reply to, and put your reply right under that. And, by the way, I do not remember the full thread every time, as you said you do in another posting. I am on several mailing lists. Please be a bit considerate and use the appraoch that is more sensible and efficient for mailing lists, not the one that makes sense in filing business cases. Thanks. What may be the difference between this list and the other lists you are on, those were people don't care about email format? Well, on this list here you have a lot of computer-savvy people, a number of which have been with email since it became commercially available, many maintain mailservers either for themselves or at ISP's, and the majority simply live and breath emails. A few years ago, the group Emailaholics International was born right out of the TB lists. We have a a lot of experience with email and a clear idea of how to use this medium most efficiently. We discussed this in again detail just a few months ago (please check the archives). When we see people posting inefficient replies (HTML, top-reply, no sig delimiter), we care about this, as it makes our life more difficult, but we also mention this to them in order to educate our fellow netizens. I actually unsubscribed from a mailing list once because I felt these people needed a course in how do I write emails - it drove me crazy. I feel very comfortable on the TB lists (I am subscribed to 6 of them at the moment), because people just know how to use their email client so that it is also a pleasure for the recipient to read their postings. No top-replies, no full-quotes, no HTML, and so on. The link to the netiquette page has already been posted, I believe. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Shopping tip: You can get shoes for 85 cents at bowling alleys. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: SORTING THE MAILS
Hello Jonathan, On 04 Aug 2002 08:55:13 -0500 GMT (04/08/02, 20:55 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: You are not forced to reply at the top and bottom quote the whole message replied to. It is still no big effort to reply inline. JA The problem doing that is with Outlook you have to go change a whole JA bundle of settings so the reply is tagged with or some other type of JA separator for replies otherwise you'll get inline text, and it is *very* JA difficult if skim reading to tell the difference between reply, and JA original posting. Ups, so I am wrong and it has to do with the default setting of OL. (Can't MS get *anything* right?) E I prefer top-replying, don't often re-read the original post, This may make sense in a tech support kind of environment, this this here is a mailing list. Quote the paragraph you are replying to, and put your reply under that paragraph. Make life easier for people who want to read your postings on this list. Please. JA Even in the environment I work in where I reply to a lot of technical JA support questions I use top quoting as often several questions are JA asked, As I said, in some business enviroenments it makes sense, in others not. (The exception I make is the web interface. JA I have to agree. I was without a computer for the first two months back in Thailand, and had to use web interfaces in internet cafes exclusively. In the beginning, my postings included an apoligy for top-replying, then people knew. Boy, am I glad to have my computer back. :-))) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: CONTACT LIST WINDOW
Hello KoMpLoT, On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 11:46:00 -0300 GMT (04/08/02, 21:46 +0700 GMT), KoMpLoT wrote: TF F8 K -- K but isn't there a mini-view like in OE? You have received replies to this. May I kindly advise you that the sig delimiter needs to be under your message, no tabove it. TB (and every other good email client) will cut off everything that is below it. Try replying to this message, and you see what I mean. Alas, the sig delimiter is not --, but it is -- (dash-dash-space-return), that why yours didn't work. (No offense, I appreciate your effort.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Let's meet, so you can 'ooh' and 'aah' over my experience. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: problems installing new(ish) versions
Hello David, On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 19:12:28 +0800 GMT (03/08/02, 18:12 +0700 GMT), David Pascoe wrote: DP I have tried uninstalled norton anti virus and even updated to the latest DP msi (Microsoft Installer engine) [not believing that TB! would need it of DP course] and still nothing. I don't know what MSI is or should be good for. Can you just disable it and then install TB? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Failed bar exam with relatively high grades. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: No Exit
Hello alists, On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 04:03:44 -0700 GMT (03/08/02, 18:03 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JP Bat! will not close with this annoying message. T I confirm this bug. But then, is it a bug, or is just the third T button missing, the one called Kill the tasks? awc comeon! it's a bug!!! drives me BATTY! awc :) OK, OK! Send it to the bugtracker, you have my support. ;-) I would think this is a Connection Center bug (as this is where the tasks are not being closed), and this is a good time to report it, as they are working on the ConCen now (I got word from Max yesterday). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. ...und wir gingen mit unserer Lehrerin im Park spazieren. Gegenueber dem Park war ein Haus, wo die Muetter ihre Kinder gebaeren. Eine Gebaermutter schaute aus dem Fenster und winkte uns freudig zu. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: a real mystery
Hello Jan, On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:53:52 -0400 GMT (03/08/02, 23:53 +0700 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: JR Don't have scandisk/ used chkdsk reports file record JR segments unreadable 90276 thru 90287, unrecoverable JR problems. Here is your problem. Some disk utilities will mark those sectors as bad and will not allow the O/S subsystem to use them again. That's what you need, until you get a new HD (timing: soonest). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Und heisst Du nicht Willi, dann rauch' ich im Wald. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: CONTACT LIST WINDOW
Hello KoMpLoT, On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:06:47 -0300 GMT (04/08/02, 09:06 +0700 GMT), KoMpLoT wrote: KI just can't find a way to show the contact list window for rapid Kaccess... where can I find it? F8 -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In an office: WOULD THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE STEP LADDER YESTERDAY PLEASE BRING IT BACK OR FURTHER STEPS WILL BE TAKEN. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: SORTING THE MAILS
Hello ETM, On Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:49:04 -0400 GMT (04/08/02, 08:49 +0700 GMT), ETM wrote: E Is it OE or is it USA programming? Contrary to popular belief, I don't think it has to do with the MUA. Even if the cursor is put in at the top of the quote, you can still make a sensible reply. You are not forced to reply at the top and bottom quote the whole message replied to. It is still no big effort to reply inline. I also don't think that we can blame the US for top quoting. It is easy to blame them for anything and everything, but I think this would go a bit too far. E I prefer top-replying, don't often re-read the original post, E dislike the colorization that must be waded through in a reply to E read the the current (answer) post. If I can't remember the E original post, dropping to the bottom to read the original is nicer E than wading, especially since I often don't maximize emails as I go E through them. This may make sense in a tech support kind of environment, this this here is a mailing list. Quote the paragraph you are replying to, and put your reply under that paragraph. Make life easier for people who want to read your postings on this list. Please. E The reason I ask about American is because I believe Netscape, E Eudora, Pegasus, web services, etc., all may use top reply. People reply, not email programs. It is sheer nonsense to blame an email program for putting the cursor at the top - I am doing it on purpose even here in TB. And I still don't top-reply and bottom-fullquote your message but am perfectly able to move my cursor *at will*. (The exception I make is the web interface. These things are so user unfriendly that I forgive anybody for top-replying. But that is an exception.) E Please explain about the signature problems you mention. I am not E certain I understand. I believe Allie has explained that; if not please ask again. I hope you will be using a signature delimter from now on, as it makes life easier for people who want to reply to your mails. Thank you for your kind consideration for your fellow list members in these matters. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I got into the gene pool while the lifeguard wasn't watching. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: SORTING THE MAILS
Hello Adam, On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 04:14:33 +0100 GMT (04/08/02, 10:14 +0700 GMT), Adam Rykala wrote: AR Perhaps an FAQ entry is needed, explaining the position? It is sad that it seems to be necessary. AR This is now officially an ex-horse, it has ceased to be (well I think so)! ^^ Have you become a moderator? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Si le travail c'est l'opium du peuple, alors je ne veux pas finir drogué...[ Boris Vian ] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: TBUDL Bandwidth
Hello Gerard, On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 11:52:58 +0200 GMT (02/08/02, 16:52 +0700 GMT), Gerard wrote: G I agree on your bandwidht concern. Give me (a DUN connection user) please a little math for this waste of bandwidth. Please compare it to ML's that don't use these headers or footers, but many users use HTML. I pay THB 35/hr (about € 0.80/hr). My average download speed is a low 1KB/sec. With the volume of this list, how much do these headers and footers cost me? If one posting of average length came in by HTML per day, how much would that cost me? Or are you talking about bandwdith between the servers? My point is that there is no bandwidth concern for these few lines, as long as mailers like OL and Incredimail exist. G As for the footers I would suggest a link to the website with G instructions. It is difficult enough to get people to read the footers. But at least we haven't had a unsubscribe message to the list (followed by long threads consisting of flames and ridicule) for a while. The probability that people follow links is a lot less than that for reading the footer. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew Up. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: TBUDL Bandwidth
Hello Marck, On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:33:29 +0100 GMT (02/08/02, 18:33 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP So, at 1KB/sec that means a .775 second overhead per message to you. MDP That's ¤ 0.000222 per message. At a hundred messages per day, this stays within affordability range for me. phew I thought I would have to unsub due to high cost. MDP When the smallest posting is 2259 bytes and the average looks to be MDP around 3480, 775 bytes added by headers and footers represents a MDP 28.65% average overhead. That is significant. I am willing to increase the size of the posting in order to get the percentage down. - This is meant in an ironic way, as I do not believe in statistics and percentages (I wrote too many management reports, all of which sounded positive as percentages where my main tool. But that is OT here). That is why I asked for the absolute figure, which gives me something real to play with. TF But at least we haven't had a unsubscribe message to the list TF (followed by long threads consisting of flames and ridicule) for a TF while. MDP One very good reason for that is that the server is primed to MDP intercept the simpler versions of these and throw the out for MDP moderation. I see quite a few. I didn't know that. Well, Allie has offered to write a web page, and while I believe that it will cause more problems, my point can only be proven (or disproven) by actually trying it. I vote for Allie to go ahead, but we should limit the test to a certain length of time and then come back and compare. The comprison should include the unsub messages the list doesn't see. I am sure we will come back to The Footer after the set period of testing time. g MDP I agree although we added the headers because this is the TB list and MDP TB features support for these headers. We *should* use them here, if MDP only to show them off ;-). I agree with this. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -- Redd Foxx Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: TBUDL Bandwidth
Hello Miguel, On Fri, 2 Aug 2002 13:47:47 +0200 GMT (02/08/02, 18:47 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU I have an even more sophisticated filter that looks for MAU _significant_ text in messages and evaluates its length in bytes. MAU If significant text length is less than 5% of total message MAU length (...) then the message is directly sent to my JUNK folder. MAU ;-) So you do not like brief one-liners that are to the point but prefer to receive long verbose messages? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I have an excellent track record, although I am not a horse, Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Firewalls compatible with The Bat. Was: Question
Hello Erik, On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:51:11 +0200 (MEST) GMT (31/07/02, 16:51 +0700 GMT), Erik Janssen wrote: EJ What I do remember (you are also referring to that) is some renaming EJ of attachments (the file extentions). When I disabled the Mail-Safe EJ settings everything worked fine at my system. Might have a look at EJ home this evening to check my settings and what changes if a play EJ something with Mail-Safe. Pardon me for being ignorant, but was does this Mail-Safe function in ZA do? What I can figure from the list, it changes attachment names, so that they cannot be opened any more. May make sense for OE/OL users, but then, how do *they* open attachments at all? Is it the job of this firewall to make attachments useless? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The save icon on Microsoft Word shows a floppy disk, with the shutter on backwards. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: test #1, please ignore
Hello David, On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 07:29:25 +0100 GMT (31/07/02, 13:29 +0700 GMT), David Elliott wrote: DE User Bernd Gauweiler failed ignore test. ROTFLOL! You really *had* me laughing out loud on this one. But be fair, he didn't know that Syafril is the list admin and the test related to a list improvement. Users' test messages are indeed discouraged on this list. Nevertheless, I think this thread has become dangerous to the horse population. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bruno Labbadia (Karlsruher SC): Das wird alles von den Medien hochsterilisiert. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: BatPost
Hello Kurgan, On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:53:05 -0500 GMT (31/07/02, 12:53 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KLc Must have been a glitch; I just looked and the link is still KLc working. :) (Either that or the search engines simply hadn't KLc refreshed yet.) The search engine doesn't list it; but I just became a member by sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it worked. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. We are the people our parents warned us about. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: BatPost
Hello Thomas, On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 02:37:41 +0700 GMT (01/08/02, 02:37 +0700 GMT), Thomas F. wrote: TF The search engine doesn't list it; but I just became a member by TF sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it worked. :-) Nonsense. I sent a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and am now a member. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. No one is listening until you make a mistake. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Mail Server
Hello Pete, On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 19:22:16 -0600 GMT (01/08/02, 08:22 +0700 GMT), Pete Milne wrote: PM If I am reading correctly, it is possible to use TB! as a mailserver? If PM I decide to host my own mailserver instead of my ISP's...I can use TB!? No, TB is only an email client, not an email server. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Vacation Special: have your home exterminated. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Firewalls compatible with The Bat. Was: Question
Hello Erik, On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:54:59 +0200 (MEST) GMT (01/08/02, 03:54 +0700 GMT), Erik Janssen wrote: TF Is it the job of this firewall to make attachments useless? EJ According to the help-file of ZA it should do the following: EJ (sorry for the gigantic message!) We might have to move this to TBOT soon. But thanks for the info. EJ /-[ MailSafe Setting ]- EJ | Use the radio buttons to turn MailSafe on or off. EJ | EJ | If On is selected, the attachment types configured in the EJ | Attachments panel will be quarantined. From what I figure, ZA does not quarantine anything. It just changes the file extensions. EJ /-[ E-mail protection ]- EJ | ZoneAlarm Pro's MailSafe™ feature protects you from new viruses, EJ | worms, and other malware distributed in e-mail attachments. It also EJ | protects you from any old, known threats. Right. By changing the extensions. I know another way: delete all mails automatically. It is the best protection against viruses. EJ | The problem with attachments EJ | Attaching files to e-mail messages is a convenient way of exchanging EJ | information. EJ | EJ | However, it also provides hackers with an easy way of spreading EJ | viruses, worms, Trojan horse programs, and other malware. Provided the recipient uses OE/OL, of course. EJ | Tip It's a good idea never to open an e-mail attachment unless you EJ | know the person it came from, and have confirmed (by phone or EJ | separate e-mail message) that that person actually sent it to you. EJ | Remember hackers can alter an e-mail message to look like it came EJ | from a friend! EJ \- Correct. Then why does OE/OL offers this iFrame thingy that allows Klez to open automatically? And again, since when is it the job of a firewall to protect against viruses? EJ /-[ The MailSafe quarantine ]- EJ | ZoneAlarm Pro's MailSafe protects you by 'quarantining' e-mail EJ | attachments that may contain malicious code. EJ | When an e-mail with an attachment arrives... EJ | MailSafe examines the attachment's filename extension. And this is what annoys me greatly. I doesn't examine the mail. It has no database of virus patterns or signatures. It just blondly changes file extensions of certain files. What a big load of unprofessionality. EJ | Tip Users who know how to read code can click Inspect with Notepad EJ | to examine the code of attachment itself. Right. I can read the code of .exe files and easily spot some 20,000 virus signatures. (Has ZoneLabs been bought by Microsoft, or why do they write such a nonsense?) f'up2tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home. -- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of Digital Equipment Corp., 1977 Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Working with a Collect Account
Hello Eddie, On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 16:21:57 +0200 GMT (30/07/02, 21:21 +0700 GMT), Eddie Castelli wrote: As far as your sending problem is concerned, find an isp that allows every outgoing address as long as you connect via it's own connections. EC Do you know a good one? www.myrealbox.com (currently down due to hardware improvement; should be up in a day or so). EC But also here I must look to have my Mobile Cost as low as possible. EC The way I understand ADR this could bypass the ISP when sending. Yes, it bypasses the ISP's SMTP server in order to send the message directly to the recipient's POP server. If that server is down or slow, it will cost you a lot more online time. The best thing is to drop all your outgoing messages with an ISP's SMTP server and let that one try until successful. Even if it takes the whole night... ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Drink wet cement: Get Stoned. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Working with a Collect Account
Hello Eddie, On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:23:36 +0200 GMT (30/07/02, 19:23 +0700 GMT), Eddie Castelli wrote: EC Here my two questions: EC- How are you handling/organizing your two Account in the 'collect' EC account? I handle all my currently 7 accounts seperately. Like you, I also have 2 important accounts, and when I am travelling I usually only check those, unless I have time and find a cheap internet cafe. I prefer to keep the two seperate; if I cannot connect to one for a while (how long a while might be depends on the circumstances), I still have the other account to communicate to the outside world. And maybe email someone to resend any message that he may have sent to the other account previously to this account. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. ...und wir gingen mit unserer Lehrerin im Park spazieren. Gegenueber dem Park war ein Haus, wo die Muetter ihre Kinder gebaeren. Eine Gebaermutter schaute aus dem Fenster und winkte uns freudig zu. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filtering
Hello Michael, On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 03:07:03 +0100 GMT (31/07/02, 09:07 +0700 GMT), Michael Thompson wrote: MT No, I am not looking to filter on a Sender / Recipient kludges (In a MT roundabout way I suppose I am) etc, MT just on wheather that particular mail address is listed within a MT specific group in the AB. So set the condition to @ (without quotes) Present in KLduges. That will catch all mails. Then set the advanced condition of being lsited in the AB group (you can make one filter for each group, of course), as Allie suggested. Now, *if* the address is in the AB group *then* what should happen? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Note: Please don't misconstrue my 14 jobs as 'job-hopping'. I have never quit a job. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: BatPost
Hello Kurgan, On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:09:27 -0500 GMT (31/07/02, 03:09 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KLc Since BatPost has no manual or visible support, I've started a KLc mailing list specifically for those of us trying to use it, so we KLc can compare notes, share advice, etc. It can be found at: KLc http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BatPost/ Yahoo! Groups Sorry, no matches were found for BatPost. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Laughing stock: cattle with a sense of humor. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: test #1, please ignore
Hello Bernd, On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:26:25 +0100 GMT (29/07/02, 21:26 +0700 GMT), Bernd Gauweiler wrote: BG I don't think you have a very strong argument here. BG You're obviously not too lazy annoying everybody with your test BG messages. There is no need to get annoyed. Syafril is the list administrator and kindly hosts the TB lists for free on his company's servers. He also invests a lot of time improving the functionality or efficiency of the lists, and trouble-shooting even from his home on the weekends. In such cases we, the list members, take his time away from his wife and kids. For all this, I have no problem receiving a test message or two from Syafril. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Never do card tricks for the group you play poker with. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Problem with attachments being corrupted
Hello Jason, On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:16:18 -0400 GMT (29/07/02, 23:16 +0700 GMT), Jason Gottschalk wrote: JG He receives large attachments from a variety of people, and most of JG them are being corrupted when they are transferred out of the bat, JG either to the hard drive or to a viewer. So he can see them alright from within TB, i.e. he does not transfer (save?) them out of The Bat? JG Where can I look for a resolution to this? What's your OS and RAM? Are you on a network or on a stand-alone PC? JG Wednesday, April 17, 2002, 7:08:02 PM, you wrote: I didn't see Eddy's original message. EG I am currently evaluating The Bat! I started with 1.60 and EG just recently installed 1.60c. OS? RAM size? EG Also unfortunate is the fact that the ZIP file was received just EG fine by her, but corrupted by The Bat. The only thing I can imagine is that it has to do with the RAM, or you are using XP (which seems to behave in unexpected ways sometimes). I have never heard this before, but now Jason has confirmed a similar problem (the attachments are received OK and get corruptedonly when being saved to disk seperately). EG P.S. Is there any way to prevent TB from adding the stupid X-Rcpt-To: EG header? It seems that even if you send a message to a bunch of EG people, TB always adds an X-Rcpt-To: header with the email EG address of the last person on the list or CC: line. Very annoying. I do not have such a header. It must be your ISP adding it. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Don't forget your wife's name . . . that will mess up the love. (Roger, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Firewalls that don't interfere with TB. Was: Question
Hello Avram, On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:01:25 -0500 GMT (30/07/02, 02:01 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acc Zone Alarm and Black Ice are the only firewalls that have been recommended on a Acc law office technology list I participate in. Why are the lawyers not recommending the otehrs? Were they just not mentioned on the lawyers' list, or did they say something discouringing about them? Acc Assuming ZA is out and that Kerio, Sygate, BlackIce, and Outpost Acc are the only ones that do not interfere with The Bat, which one Acc of these does the collective recommend? I used Sygate for a while when I was trying firewalls (and ended up with TPF/Kerio). I didn't like Sygate for two reasons: 1.) When I allowed Windows Commander to FTP (thus opening ports 20/21), Sygate decided that all ports are in order. In particular, someone recommended me to test with a site that uses an usual port for FTP, and WinCom connected without problems or any warning from Sygate. :-(( 2.) When I installed TPF over Sygate for a brief period, I noticed that Sygate calls out to its own home paage at port 80 everytime it is started. Calling home? Why? What info is being transmitted? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn ich nur darf, wenn ich soll, aber nie kann, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch nicht, wenn ich muss. Wenn ich aber darf, wenn ich will, dann mag ich auch, wenn ich soll und dann kann ich auch, wenn ich muss. Denn schliesslich: Die, die koennen sollen, muessen wollen duerfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Firewalls that don't interfere with TB. Was: Question
Hello Clive, On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 06:25:06 +0100 GMT (30/07/02, 12:25 +0700 GMT), Clive Taylor wrote: LT Anybody know? I don't know any way to test it, other than LT Steve Gibsons port prober, which says it's cool ... Tested my firewall on Norton, which says I am fine. (GRC keeps saying the same, but a second opinion is always welcome.) :-) CT PCflank has a range of tests at http://www.pcflank.com They found out that I am not stealth on some ports. Well, I don't need to bestealth on all ports. I don't have a probel if you ping me (in fact, my ISP pings me to see if I am still online. If I block the ping, after a while I cannot send or receive even though I am still dialled in). What I would have a problem with if you can access my PC due to open ports. PCFlank doesn't test for that. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Regular naps prevent old age. especially if you take them while driving. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: that annyoing beep
Hello Rick, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:10:26 -0400 GMT (28/07/02, 19:10 +0700 GMT), Rick Reumann wrote: RR For example I think myrealbox.com is down right now Excerpt from Myrealbox' message dd 19. July to all subscribers: [...] We will therefore take the weekend of July 27 and 28 to upgrade our servers with newer and faster hardware. Please do not expect to be able to login to your account during the weekend of July 27 and 28. While we do not expect the downtime to be more than 10 hours, it is safe to assume there will be additional service interruption [...] -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Miguel, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 08:52:53 +0200 GMT (28/07/02, 13:52 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU That is, assign to Ignore Colour Group (light gray), and add the MAU subject to my Ignore filter, which marks the messages as Read and MAU Ignored as they come in. Doesn't that add up to a huge filter over time? Or do you weed out old ignore-subjects sometimes? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Black holes are where God divided by zero. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Font size in message list window
Hello Joyce, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 15:21:34 +0200 GMT (28/07/02, 20:21 +0700 GMT), Joyce Sala wrote: JS I've tried in vain to reduce the size of the font in the Message List JS window which seems to be a _huge_ 12 or 14 point size. JS What am I missing? Options / Message List Colours and Font ... / Font. One comment here: I had to look around quite a bit, as there are several places where to change fonts. For the editor you have to use one menu path, for the folder list another, and for the message list another altogether. Additional access to all these functionalities under a single menu item Fonts... (maybe in the Options menu) would indeed make sense. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: As if we didn't have ENOUGH problems with ISPs...
Hello Sergey, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 17:36:03 +0200 GMT (28/07/02, 22:36 +0700 GMT), Sergey Uvarov wrote: AR Skipping ads at the beginning of a DVD is a technical issue. SU But it is spam :-). I bought film, not ads :-). No, you bought a DVD, containing ads (teasers) and a movie. Without the teasers the DVD would probably more expensive, because they would have to run the teasers (sometimes called trailers for some reason I don't understand) on more TV stations to promote the next movie. That would cost them money. The first 15-20 minutes of time I spend in a cinema consists of ads and teasers in order to keep the admission fee reasonable. But spam is something else. I get this not because it makes my online time cheaper. I get it without any benefit for me. And that annoys me. grumble -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Unkosten verursachen Polizeihunde nicht, denn sie ernaehren sich von Verbrechern. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: OT - AB for spammers
Hello Jonathan, On 28 Jul 2002 10:38:50 -0500 GMT (28/07/02, 22:38 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: 3.) often spam letters have X-Authentication warning in cludges JA I know how to show the headers/source ;) I'm just saying... I've never JA seen it in any of the spam I have got, ACK. It would make things easier though... ;-) JA aas most seem to come from the chinanet ISP, I wonder by now whether chinanet or this other ISP in Brasil care... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mit einem Kostuemball kann man keine Tore schiessen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: No Exit
Hello Peter, On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:17:20 +0200 GMT (27/07/02, 02:17 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP If a connection hangs (for _whatever_ reason, nobody could tell me PP yet; my 'netstat' both on server and client tells: there is no PP connection anymore) the button ain't working; so why showing it in PP this dialog too? Simply making it working in CC would be enough ;-( Correct. I didn't use netstat (which is buggy anyway), but if you are sure the connection is closed, then we are indeed talking about a bug. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: encoded message
Hello Tim, On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:41:59 +1000 GMT (27/07/02, 05:41 +0700 GMT), Tim wrote: T I agree, and apologise. My excuse is that I'd just moved house and T come down with the flu simultaneously, Don't worry. Get well soon. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Despite the cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: TheBat! filtered for spam
Hello Lynn, On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:09:20 -0700 GMT (27/07/02, 02:09 +0700 GMT), Lynn Turriff wrote: However, I never understood who (apart from spammers) would need the mass mailing feature and am not surprised that Ritlabs apparently linked to spammer sites until recently. LT I subscribe to several newsletters which are surely 'mass LT mailed', and if I want to send the same message to my LT whole address book, or a section of it .. to announce a LT family event, perhaps, or a change of address, real or LT virtual, I wouldn't want it considered spam. Thanks to you and all the people that have given examples of how they use the mass mailing feature without being spammers. I've learned that there is quite a legitimate use for the feature. I might even look into it myself. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. For drowning: Climb on top of the person and move up and down to make artificial perspiration. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
OT: netstat (was: No Exit)
Hello Peter, On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:31:00 +0200 GMT (27/07/02, 20:31 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: TF I didn't use netstat (which is buggy anyway), PP In which manner? PP I think you're talking about Windows 'netstat', because I'm sure my PP Linux 'netstat' works like it should, but I'm interested nevertheless. Yes, I was talking about Windows netstat. After a connection has been closed, it will often still show it as open. I forgot about the circumstances, but it is a well-known bug and a more detailled description can probably be found by a little google action. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ich bin ferner mit meinen Nerven am Ende und habe mit einer schweren Kastritis zu tun. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Need help with a Klez filter!
Hello Kim, On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:40:05 -0400 GMT (27/07/02, 23:40 +0700 GMT), Kim G. Henkel wrote: KGH Again, I'm not concerned that I'm receiving these due to a virus - the KGH virus doesn't effect me. What is a PITA is that I get 50+ of these a day, KGH and I am wasting a growing amount of time weeding them out. Just a suggestion: I would try and change email addresses. 50+ non-relevant messages a day (virus or spam) would be enough to even consider the trouble of talking to a sysad in the office, and informing all legit keepers of my email address of the change (whether private or business). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Vacuum: A large, empty space where the pope lives. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: TheBat! filtered for spam (again)
Hello Paula, On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:00:27 -0400 GMT (28/07/02, 00:00 +0700 GMT), PFord wrote: P If the X-mailer value is the problem, why doen't RIT Labs just remove P it? Isn't it optional in a header? Yes, X-Mailer is optional. All X-headers are optional, and most other MUA-generated ones as well (except for From and Date). But I vote for customisable headers rather than taking this one off. Actually, what I am currently thinking is that the functionality of Xray should be integrated into TB. - Is that feasible? Hmm. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Love will find you, even if you are trying to hide from it. I've been trying to hide from it since I was five, but the girls keep finding me. (Bobby, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Need help with a Klez filter!
Hello Jonathan, On 27 Jul 2002 17:21:59 -0500 GMT (28/07/02, 05:21 +0700 GMT), Jonathan Angliss wrote: JA And that'd just give the possibly infected user another email address to JA mail the virus too ;) Not necessarily. All those who get the info about the new address will also be told the reason - that someone with the old address on his computer keeps sending the Klez virus and all are asked to scan their computers to see whether it's them. JA Changing your address probably won't have that much of an affect. JA Try bugging the sysadmin to track down the source, and see if you JA can work out who sent it. This would be the first step, before even changing the address. I assumed that the sources (of 50+ virus mails *per day*) could not be found. JA Either that, or get your sysadmin/isp to install a virus scanner JA on the mail server, and get it to drop the mail on the server :) Probably a good idea, which will work in a company environment but not if you are connected to an ISP. For illustration, I once sent a very angry email to my own ISP after I had I complained that their public announcements (server down / international link down / etc) were in text/html which I couldn't read with the version of pine on their server and which opens when I telnet into my account on port 23. They recommended using Outlook. I didn't even notice that Outlook probably doesn't run under unix (does it?), but apart from the fact that it was the pine version they themselves had offered to me (and left me no choice when reading my mail while travelling), I was so surprised that an ISP would recommend the major virus distributor since the invention of the internet, that I really bashed them. I wouldn't expect them to know how to set up server-side virus protection and would always protect myself, even if they said they have done so. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Our parents were never our age. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Skipping parts not interesting
Hello Arjan, On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:56:08 +0200 GMT (28/07/02, 08:56 +0700 GMT), Arjan de Groot wrote: AdG I think it is the duty of every subscriber to read every message AdG that is being potsted on TBUDL. No. It is the right of every subscriber, but not the duty. I read the first and maybe second message of every thread, and if it goes a way that I am not interested in, I don't have an obligation to follow the thread any further. That is my privilege. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I don't have a drinking problem. I drink, I get drunk, I fall down, No problem. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: importing QT??
Hello Luc, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:22:16 +0200 GMT (19/07/02, 02:22 +0700 GMT), Luc wrote: L snipped a bit TF If you have already created the new account and don't need the old TF account any more, just copy the messages over. L that was my problem: how to copy them at once. Mark them all in the message list, right-click, choose Copy to... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B
Hello Avram, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 14:17:26 -0500 GMT (19/07/02, 02:17 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acc Without rekeying the entire response, the gist regarding reply formats is that Acc since top replies are the norm at my office and I had not used TBUDL all that Acc much until very recently, I had forgotten the rule about not using top replies Acc and apologized for not following TB protocol. Thanks, I appreciate your effort. Please note that we had a lengthy disucssion about top-quotes here only recently, and it is generally agreed that inline-quoting makes more sense on a list like this (that's the reason for the rule), while I agree with you that in *some* business environments, full quotes at the bottom may make sense. Acc More to the point, at the office, we use Lotus Notes, and, as far Acc as I know there is no protocol for automatically inserting quote Acc marks, carrets, or any other symbol before lines of old text in Acc a reply. A reason to change to a better email program? Acc Thus, in order to respond in the format preferred by The Bat's Acc UDL rules, one has to go through the tedious task of inserting a Acc carret before each line of old text. However, one solution is for Acc me to use a different color pen as I am doing in this sentence. Acc However, I am not sure that all recipients would see this Acc formatting. No, I don't see your colours. Do you have the possibility of using TB for this list and Lotus Notes for office mail? (Assuming that for some reason you cannot use TB for office mail.) Acc As for the substantive part of the message: what if the laptop user downloads a second time before the desktop user has a chance to download Nothing. Each user will only download once. Acc But I only want mail to be stored on one computer...the desktop. Hard drive Acc real estate on the laptop is more precious and I don't want to store mail on it. I see. Your situation is slightly different from what I thought. There is a mechanism to ensure this. Already received messages are ignored. Acc Even if downloaded by a different computer on the network? No, only messages that are received by *this* computer are not downloaded again onto *this* computer. Set both systems to keep on server for 2 days and it will all tick along very Acc nicely (unless one of the systems misses a mail fetch for more than two days) Acc This is likely. The desktop will download daily or every two days. The laptop Acc may go for 1-10 days before it's used to read mail. If your laptop connects to the LAN, you might want to store the mail on a network drive, as someone else has suggested. Otherwise, if your laptop is mobile and you need to connect via the internet, this sounds like a case for IMAP to me. 1) Configure TB in client / server mode. This is not a very well known or practiced configuration but is *is* in the help file. Acc Please explain what it means to configure TB in client/server mode. Thanks. Help / Topics / Server / The Bat! Networking Course Acc 2) Configure TB to use a shared path on the network as the root for Accthe MAIL folder and work on the same real files. Acc How does one configure TB to use a shared path on the network? I would think you just point to it under Account / Properties / Files Directories. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sign in a London department store: BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Large attachments = dead connection
Hello Blarp, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:30:25 -0700 GMT (19/07/02, 08:30 +0700 GMT), Blarp wrote: B Does anyone else have a problem with TB and sending large file B attachments? After 400k or so of a 4mb file, my dialup connection goes B totally and completely dead. It doesn't hang up but I can't ping my B provider or do anything. No such problem here. BTW I read somewhere that the SMTP protocol was made for files of no more than 1 MB. For larger files there is always FTP; in one case I put such a file on my website, so the recipient (who didn't know FTP) could download it from there. (Please don't send me emails with attachments that large.) But there is a solution for you: TB has the capability of internally splitting large messages into smaller chunks (for example 16k or 100k per partial message) which will be reassembled at destination by the recipient's email client. This was tested with TB and OL/OE as recipient clients and it worked. However, I cannot find the option now, where is it? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A duck walks into a drugstore and ask the clerk for Chapstick. The clerk puts the Chapstick on the counter and says, That will be $2. The duck replies, Just put it on my bill. (true story) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Folder Template for Mail List?
Hello Greg, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:35:10 -0500 GMT (19/07/02, 09:35 +0700 GMT), Greg Strong wrote: JA The %ToList pulls the list of the people it was either original sent to, or is JA in the list of people you are sending it to. I cannot remember which. GS I here you, but I would like to which header. Your reply really does GS not specify. The help file is of the following opinion: TOLIST insert the full list of recipient in the TO address field OTOLIST (replies and forward) insert the full list of recipient in the TO address field of the original message GS Maybe I'm missing something here. After reading these replies and GS looking at headers of email that I've received NOW I'm truly starting GS to understand all the standards with regard to email. For reply GS templates it really is a function of what headers are in the mail that GS you are replying to. That is correct. :-) GS Is there some kind of default sequence available for the TO address GS on replies depending upon original email's headers? I believe it is in RFC2822, but didn't look it up yet. IIRC you reply to the Reply-To address, but if only if there is none, to the From address. Bounces go to Return-Path. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Die Bewohner der Erde heisen Autos, ihre Sklaven haben zwei Beine und muessen fur sie arbeiten und sie pflegen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: composing richtext messages?
Hello Bernd, On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:55:29 +0100 GMT (19/07/02, 13:55 +0700 GMT), Bernd Gauweiler wrote: BG It always amazes me how many people only associate the use of text BG attributes and different fonts as a means for yelling, annoying BG decorations, and so forth. Because this is what they will be used for. BG Let me provide two examples where I think these features are a BG perfectly good tool: Both examples are valid. This could also be achieved with HTML, but look what people do with it. Look even at Steve Gibson's page, and he is using fonts not only in the academic way. You see what people do once they have found out how to use a toy... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. How come we choose from just two people for president and 50 for Miss America? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: importing QT??
Hello Luc, On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 13:27:51 +0200 GMT (19/07/02, 18:27 +0700 GMT), Luc wrote: L message list? i'm talking about the QT's in the QT menu. Or was i L missing something? Yes, my advise to use the old account and just change the General and Transportation details in the account properties. Please read again what I said before, namely that all you need to do (if you have already created a new account) is to move the message over. You probably do not need the new account. This way, your QT's don't need to be copied. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sic transit gloria mundi. (Latin for: Gloria threw up on the bus on Monday.) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Large attachments = dead connection
Hello Ben, On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 09:31:38 +0100 GMT (19/07/02, 15:31 +0700 GMT), Ben Kennish wrote: TF No such problem here. BTW I read somewhere that the SMTP protocol was TF made for files of no more than 1 MB. BK I have never heard about a 1MB limit - whereabouts did you read this? As I said, somewhere. Probably the RFC's, but a google on the net might reveal more sources. BK If this is the case, shouldn't the split e-mail option be enabled by BK default in TB for files greater than 1 MB? I think any emails over 1 MB should be plainly rejected. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Undeliverable mail to list
Hello Sudip, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:46:51 +0545 GMT (18/07/02, 08:01 +0700 GMT), Sudip Pokhrel wrote: JA I think somebody subbed to the list has a bad email JA now, and it is bouncing... I got about 17 of them about 30 mins ago. SP Having a same problem here. With me, the mailer deamon sends the same SP two messages saying they could not be delivered. Interestingly, I think every poster is getting such a message, including myself. I usually write back to the postmaster, asking him to send bounces to the return-path and not the From address. I copy the TBUDL moderators in and ask them to take the member off the list until his postmaster has figured out the RFC's. I think I'm going to write a QT for that... As I said, the internet grows faster than people can be trained. People with no clue become postmasters and set up their systems wrong. Expect to see more of this. :-( -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You can observe a lot just by watchin'. (Yogi Berra) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Translation
Hello Giampaolo, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 13:33:40 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 18:33 +0700 GMT), Giampaolo Bellavite wrote: is it possible translate the program manually??? GB Hi Pietro, I've already contacted Ritlabs about this, but I've never GB got an answer. If you'll have, I'll be very happy to help you for a GB better translation. Write directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sign in a London department store: BARGAIN BASEMENT UPSTAIRS Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filtering HTML emails
Hello Iain, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:25:27 +0100 GMT (18/07/02, 18:25 +0700 GMT), Iain Waddell wrote: IW Content-Type: text/html in the headers it works but if it has a IW Content-Type: multipart/alternative in the headers and the IW Content-Type: text/html is in the message body it doesn't work. I have a suspicion here. If I see it correctly, you have set it to Presence in Anywhere. Try Presence in Kludges and Presence in Text and see whether the latter works then. I think not. My suspicion is that the lower headers are not being checked. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Love will find you, even if you are trying to hide from it. I've been trying to hide from it since I was five, but the girls keep finding me. (Bobby, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Sometimes I hate TB
Hello Miguel, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 11:21:22 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 16:21 +0700 GMT), Miguel A. Urech wrote: MAU Yes, TB is a great piece of software and we all know it and love it. MAU But sometimes I do hate TB, ... when it insists on auto-completing my MAU subject. It's so frustrating!!! Sometimes it's the little things MAU Yes, I know there are workarounds. But I'd just like to disable MAU Subject auto-complete independently of address auto-complete. Make a wish. I am sure many will second it. MAU Sorry for this message, I just wanted to vent (again) my frustration. MAU I feel much better after writing this message. :) phew... :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Be more or less specific. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl
Hello Marck, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 10:14:32 +0100 GMT (18/07/02, 16:14 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP Any of you (and there are many) getting bounce messages from the MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] - sorry, but it's not our fault. It's theirs! MDP If anyone affected could let them know, I would appreciate it. Let's MDP flood them with automated responses. MDP Here's a filter that may help to automate the process ;-). I just sent them back another 35 (!) bounce messages. Sorry I copied you in, I didn't mean to mailbomb you, I was just helpless. Next time, I will send only to the addresses you mention. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Umfriend: Sexual relationship; this is Dale, my ... um ...friend. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: composing richtext messages?
Hello Nick, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:58:51 -0700 GMT (18/07/02, 23:58 +0700 GMT), Nick Andriash wrote: NA I agree as well... it would be nice to use bolded text, or underline, or NA colour a certain word, or even change the point size of a word... I disagree. Maybe that's because when I was at school (which is many winters ago), we learned that a good writing style includes to make yourself understood without all this. Even without parenthesis and all those neat little rhethoric-deficiency helpers that are available in plain text. I have gone to use parenthesis and even the odd *astrisks* to enhance meanings in emails (keyword: civilisation in decline), but not in important letters. The 3 R's are in jeopardy anyway - read some of the submissions in the slush pile of www.darwinawards.com and weep about people's inability to even write coherently. What if those submitters were allowed to use rich text? Please, don't do it to me. If you want to enhance a word in an email, do it by writing a context that makes me understand why, not just by yelling it at me. Make me understand you due to your use of words, without need to express emphasis with size or colour. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Salmon day: Swimming upstream all day to get screwed in the end. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl
Hello Tim, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:26:25 -0400 GMT (18/07/02, 23:26 +0700 GMT), Tim Musson wrote: TM | I think there is an RFC that defines things like /20, TM | but I don't know what it is - anyone else have a TM | source for info on the translations? It is the hexadecimal value of the space character in ASCII. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wie man sich fettet, so wiegt man. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B
Hello Hanspeter, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:53:34 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 14:53 +0700 GMT), Hanspeter Schaffner wrote: HS If I have to check for mail from elsewhere with my laptop I copy the HS BestCrypt container containing the whole mail directory on the laptop HS and mount it with the same drive letter as it has in the network. So HS TB should not notice any difference - I hope. :-) HS Shouldn't that work? Yes, it should. If you want to carry the thing around with you and mount/dismount it every time. I used the method of leaving mail on server for 2 days and BCC'ing myself in on outgoing messages, when I had two computers which both needed to be kept updated. Of course, in the office I was on the LAN and at home at broadband/flatrate, so additional downloads didn't matter. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Mental backup in progress - Do Not Disturb! Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: AVG didn't catch
Hello Julian, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:24:31 +0100 GMT (18/07/02, 22:24 +0700 GMT), Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: JBL Whoops! I fell asleep at the keyboard You must be a programmer then. As such, you should know that sleep is a poor substitue for cafeine. JBL and managed to send an email when my fingers slid down the keys! JBL I knew I had sent something, but could not find it until it JBL appeared here! Back to serious mode, what could you have done if you had found out which message it was? I am asking because I once heard that they chased and killed a virus by sending an antidote virus after it, and it went to the recipients of that virus, deleted the virus-containing message from Outlook, and then the antidote used the same method as the virus to propagate itself and finally caught up with it. Sounds like an urban legend to me, but who knows what is possible these days... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I intend to live forever - so far, so good. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Undeliverable mail to list
Hello Peter, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:38:10 +0200 GMT (18/07/02, 14:38 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: PP What? What the hell is a RFC? I _do_ already use NAV! Assuming your approval, I have copied this into my cookie file, giving due credit. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you won't either. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B
Hello Allie, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 04:34:34 -0500 GMT (18/07/02, 16:34 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: HS Why does one have to do this registry thing? Why could one not HS Enter the path to the mail-directory in the account options? ACM If the accounts have already been created and you wish to move them to ACM another location, you do it the way you're proposing. I have started using the backup function in TB, rather than my manual back-up. I figure from the lists that TB's back-up function now works fine. However, I have never done a Restore yet. I am led to believe that you are asked which directory you want the accounts to be restored to. Isn't that so? If it is, wouldn't this be a solution to the problem? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Comparisons are as bad as cliches. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: downloading e-mail on home network to computer A using computer B
Hello Avram, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:32:04 -0500 GMT (19/07/02, 00:32 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acc only) to distinguish them from the old text, but, I am *not* shouting. Kindly resend your message in a readable form. Thank you. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Love will find you, even if you are trying to hide from it. I've been trying to hide from it since I was five, but the girls keep finding me. (Bobby, 8) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: Filtering HTML emails
Hello Iain, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 18:31:40 +0100 GMT (19/07/02, 00:31 +0700 GMT), Iain Waddell wrote: Now we see the text/html header appearing again. But this header appears in the body. The issue being, TB! stops filtering when it hits the boundary line (or so I've heard). So that would be the reason some mails are sneaking through. Correct. This is true not only for filtering, but also for the Search function. IW Ah, at least I understand why it's not working even if I don't like IW it. Perhaps a future release will give filters the option of searching IW through multipart headers. That would be good, because I see it as a bug. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. 42.7 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: importing QT??
Hello Luc, On Thu, 18 Jul 2002 20:03:11 +0200 GMT (19/07/02, 01:03 +0700 GMT), Luc wrote: L I have an account which has being shut down. I created another one L and want to use the QT's belonging to the old account. I had that situation once. What I did is I changed the details of the account from the old account (POP, SMTP settings) to the new account and everything was still there. ;-) L Is there a way to allocate them all at once to the new account or L do i have to cut and paste them individual? If you have already created the new account and don't need the old account any more, just copy the messages over. Other than that, you can make QT's to be shared with other accounts. I forgot in which account.* file the QT's are stored. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Be more or less specific. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62/Beta1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: [OT] I hate HTML mail
Hello Ben, On Wed, 17 Jul 2002 00:35:03 +0100 GMT (17/07/02, 06:35 +0700 GMT), Ben Kennish wrote: BK Please please please use a browser based on the Gecko engine (like BK Mozilla or K-Meleon) to give web site designers (such as me) an actual BK standard that we can work to without fear of browsers such as this! I am currently testing Mozilla 1.0 as an alternative to IE 6. What I like is tabbed browsing, but I am not so sure about the security. Why do I say this: In IE, I have many choices for my settings. In Mozilla, there are much less. For example, when I open a web page that contains a PDF file, IE will ask me whether I will allow Active-X while Mozilla just opens the app on my computer without asking me. Where is that setting in Mozilla? Weird enough, I feel safer browsing with IE than with Mozilla. f'up2tbot. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Do not be redundant; do not use more words than necessary; it's highly superfluous. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.61 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current Ver: 1.61 FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
