haymanth Wrote:
I got a budget system going:
SB3 (analogue out) NAD C300 Integrated Wharfedale 8.1
Fits my needs perfectly!! Could do with a little less sibilance though.
My desktop system (at the main PC) uses Wharfedale 8.1's. I use
Softsqueeze, a good sound card, and a cheap T-Amp.
JJZolx Wrote:
Yes, I'm questioning the opinion. Are you serious? From some of your
other posts, you seem to have good ears. Is it your opinion that the
$8 chip in a DAC accounts for so much of its characteristic sound that
you may as well junk every DAC made more than a couple years ago?
JJZolx Wrote:
Big difference in the march of technology over two decades. I find it
preposterous that anyone would think the same of the progress made in
only a several year period.
Pardon the double post, and correct me if I'm wrong, but this computer
audio thing we're doing is aeons
Skunk Wrote:
Pardon the double post, and correct me if I'm wrong, but this computer
audio thing we're doing is aeons closer to perfect sound forever than a
spinning disc of plastic read by a moving laser mechanism, and it's
taking place practically overnight.
And what's the new technology
JJZolx Wrote:
There is none. Instead, it's an economic one...
Not for audiophiles.
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ModMike Wrote:
Sean, I'm having the same problem, with a similar setup.
Newly installed SB3, sits 12 in from the preamp, and 18 from TT.
Moving coil cartridge, and the phono section is inside the preamp.
(Naim)
Hum appears to be 60Hz. When I unplug the SB3 power lead, the hum drops
Have you tried plugging the SB3 into the same power strip/outlet that
the rest of your gear is powered from? If not, that may cure it.
The SB3 only uses 10-12 watts, so you can also safely plug it into
powered outlets on your stereo gear (if any)
Occasionally, I'll watch movies I've
Well, yes and no. There is no fundamental difference in terms of 1's
and 0's. However, there is an enormous and fundamental difference in
terms of storage and usability. It's a shame that Redbook never moved
beyond twenty year+ old technology and that we have the same data format
now as 'back
JJZolx Wrote:
And what's the new technology that enabled this revolution?
There is none. Instead, it's an economic one... inexpensive storage
space has been the real reason that this is a feasible alternative
today.
Could be I'm missing something, but I don't think this is accurate.
It
mauidan Wrote:
Please tell us what best transport/DAC combos out there, you've heard
that you base this guess on? Please be sure and tell us if these
transport/DAC combos were link to a central clock, what type of digital
connection/cable was used, were any of the components modified and
Amen, brother.
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JJZolx Wrote:
Is it your opinion that the $8 chip in a DAC accounts for so much of
its characteristic sound that you may as well junk every DAC made more
than a couple years ago? I've never seen an even remotely similar
opinion statement from an audiophile, so it raises an eyebrow...That's
P Floding Wrote:
That is just an implementation detail.
We had 16/44 with CD, and we have 16/44 with CD ripped to HD. No
fundamental difference.
Lack of moving parts is a fairly big implementation detail.
In my very humble opinion the 'revolution' is getting an asynchronous
data receiver
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joncourage Wrote:
Is it really necessary to be smarmy and condescending? If you don't
like the guy's post then reply to it in a professional and dignified
way; you'll be taken more seriously.
Sorry to be the freaking internet police but I find the tendency for
nastiness in anonymous
Group hug.
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Skunk Wrote:
Lack of moving parts is a fairly big implementation detail.
If you include moving my ass off the couch to change cds as a moving
part, I'll agree. :)
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Skunk Wrote:
Lack of moving parts is a fairly big implementation detail.
In my very humble opinion the 'revolution' is getting an asynchronous
data receiver chip close to a DAC chip. Sure the convenience is great
for the masses, but I went to PC delivery to get the best sound
possible on
mauidan Wrote:
I simply asked ezkcdude to qualify his statement:
I'm guessing that even using just the stock SB3 analog outputs gets
you at least 95% of the way towards the best transport/DAC combo out
there.
I was interested in what experience he had with the best
transport/DAC combo
Quoting P Floding [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Last time I checked hard disks had moving parts! ;-D
I'm guessing the wink means you realize the disk isn't part of the
timing chain.
Of course, there is absolutely nothing that have stopped the industry
from doing this right all along, even with CD
For any of you in the NY/NJ area, I would be more than happy to have a
group of you visit me in Northern NJ for a listening/comparison
session. I have a pretty high-end system and a pretty well-treated
acoustic listening environment. Would be happy to do an A/B/C
comparison between my SB2
We will be exhibiting the SB2+ (Hi-Fi Squeezebox) and it's partner
Amplifier at the Heathrow Hi-Fi Show on the 1st 2nd of April at the
Park Inn Hotel, Heathrow, UK.
I know it's a long way away for many of you, but if you can make it
we'd love you to join us and hear for yourselves just how good
Phil,
Are you finding significant differences between different transports
when using the same DAC? Again, and at least technically, if a DAC is
properly buffering and re-clocking the signal, the output will always
be the same, regardless the input. Just curious.
That would be a fun
highdungeon, yes, I definitely hear differences between the
transports/SB2 using the same DAC. And here's another kicker...someone
came over last week with a $600 digital cable (Virtual Dynamics), and
using that on my SB2 closed the gap signicantly against my reference
DAC using a different
highdudgeon,
I agree with everything you said in the last two posts. It is all a
very individual and personal thing to decide how much some of these
differences are worth.
Someone once asked me how close to a live event my system (retail
price near $45K) was able to deliver. I told him about
Amen to all the above.
And, yeah, the 5% can be, well, just 5% or a 5% that really
counts...excellent point!
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PhilNYC Wrote:
I also believe that small differences (say 5%) can be the difference
between something that is totally fatiguing and something that is
totally enjoyable
Phil, I agree about fatigue, but I think some of it is psychological,
and could be filed just as easily under the term
No. The volume control on the SB3, whether digital or analog, should be
as close to max as is practical in your system. In general, amps and
pre-amps sound better with less gain, not more.
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steelee Wrote:
Also sorry to sound a bit'dim' but is sound quality affected by a weak
(44%) wireless connection?
All a weak connection will do will be a potential source for dropouts.
You may see the display stutter, the remote not able to respond to
keypresses (well, actually, the server
PhilNYC Wrote:
For any of you in the NY/NJ area, I would be more than happy to have a
group of you visit me in Northern NJ for a listening/comparison
session. I have a pretty high-end system and a pretty well-treated
acoustic listening environment. Would be happy to do an A/B/C
comparison
Thanks Guys
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Jon,
I'm not an engineer, but in speaking with engineers it seems to always
come down to jitter (both data and timing jitter). And there are a lot
of things that can affect jitter...the actual transport mechanism, the
impedence matching between the output of the transport, the digital
cable,
Phil, thanks for your rather sane response. I just want to agree with
your point about appreciating the music more. I think this is true, and
a similar thing happened to me when I started becoming more serious
about (amateur) photography. I can't ever really go back to just taking
snapshots, even
PhilNYC Wrote:
FWIW, I mentioned in another thread that the difference between my SB2
and my reference transport was very minor in sound quality before I had
had a chance to really properly treat the acoustics in my room, and that
I only noticed a significant difference when I finally got
PhilNYC Wrote:
What remains a mystery to me is (as highdudgeon points out) that if a
DAC has a data buffer and a re-clocking mechanism, why would upstream
jitter have an effect? I still don't have an answer for that.
I don't know the answer either, but here's a shot at it.
Think for a
Actually, I imagine that an audiophile SB would be hugely profitable.
We shouldn't forget that profit margins in the high-end world are just
that -- high-end.
Imagine packaging the SB with a high-endish DAC, beefed up hardware,
metal case and remote, option of balanced outputs and AES/EBU for
Patrick -- NOW I get it. That's a sexy set up for the Squeezebox and
the amp. Do you have more pictures and specs anywhere? Available in
the states, price, etc? Could be fabulous for a second system or
whatever.
Thanks!
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I could buy a really large box and put my SB, my DAC, my Sonic Impact
Super-T, and a Bolder PS in it and VOILA! pretend it's an audiophile
SB! :-)
Total cost - about $1300 or so.
Seriously tho, my feeling is that a stand-alone audiophile grade
(whatever that may be) SB would be preferable to a
Skunk Wrote:
Quoting P Floding P.Floding.2532ez1143051302 (AT) no-mx (DOT)
forums.slimdevices.com:
Last time I checked hard disks had moving parts! ;-D
I'm guessing the wink means you realize the disk isn't part of the
timing chain.
I would have thought that in today's (one-box)
Skunk Wrote:
If asynchronous transmission eliminates the catch 22 of having to
seperate digital components for better isolation- while using less than
ideal connections; an external DAC hanging off the SB seems rather
Luddite in approach.
Rather luddite I must be then, as I still prefer
2nd system - pah!
Sure, send me an email ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll send you
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The audiophile market is tiny. We all know that. And, by defintion
almost, an audiophile is someone who continually tweaks his system
searching for, but never really finding, that magical something that
will make him content. For those audiophiles, the one-box solution to
anything is just not
I agree with the above, and I also think that a large aspect of
audiophilia has to do with status. Thus any enhanced product that
SlimDevices produces and labels audiophile is not going to be fancy
enough or expensive enough for some people. A lot of audiophiles are
just driven to spend more
dwc Wrote:
I agree with the above, and I also think that a large aspect of
audiophilia has to do with status. Thus any enhanced product that
SlimDevices produces and labels audiophile is not going to be fancy
enough or expensive enough for some people. A lot of audiophiles are
just driven
P Floding Wrote:
Since you post this in the Audiophile section, I'll just treat it as a
flame bait.
I think you misread. A true audiophile seeks good sound, not the most
exclusive kit.
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ezkcdude Wrote:
Mauidan, you caught me! I have never listened listened to a $6000 CD
player in my system. I haven't even listened to $1000 players or DAC's.
That's what you wanted to hear me say, right? I'm not sure why that
makes YOU feel better, but I certainly couldn't care any less.
P Floding Wrote:
Since you post this in the Audiophile section, I'll just treat it as a
flame bait.
I assume your joking, P?
I consider myself a budget audiophile, where the challenge and fun of
the hobby is getting the best value/sound for the buck. But there are
many diffrent flavors of
dwc Wrote:
I think you misread. A true audiophile seeks good sound, not the most
exclusive kit.
Yes, a real audiophile couldn't care less if the equipment is cheap.
What you described is not really a an audiophile. I don't have a word
for it... Poser? Flaunter?
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dwc Wrote:
While I see the possibility of potentially less jitter with the onboard
dac, I suggest to you that some folks may prefer the sound
charateristics of specific dac chip types, and more importantly they
may prefer the sound characteristics of their dac's analog section
(i.e. that
P Floding Wrote:
You could always try converting FLAC to WAV on the server side (it's
done on the fly). In my system this totally changes the sound for the
better, for unknown reasons (Slim software version related, rumor has
it). Under File Types, you just need to uncheck all FLAC
No, it won't change. The output impedance is primarily set by the
value of a 220 ohm build-out resistor that is used to decouple
capacitive loads. It's in the circuit all the time. The volume is
controlled separately and upstream.
Davey.
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Sounds increadible.
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P Floding Wrote:
My desktop system (at the main PC) uses Wharfedale 8.1's. I use
Softsqueeze, a good sound card, and a cheap T-Amp. No sibilance issues.
Give the T-Amp a try! It is not powerful enough for larger rooms, but
sufficient for a study. You can try using the NAD as a pre-amp.
haymanth Wrote:
Thanks for the info. I've been looking to get a T-amp,but since I'm from
Malaysia, the shipping costs more than the T-amp itself. I'll probably
pick one up on my trip to the UK in mid April.
I'm not sure where you can pick up one here in the UK.
I just ordered a bunch from
GregF Wrote:
Hey, this works for me too! Between this tweak and the Elpac PS, I'm now
well satisfied with the sound from my Squeezebox. I've only got about 6
hours of playing time on the Elpac and by itself the improvement is
subtle (that's another way of saying that I think it's better but
P Floding Wrote:
BTW, what slimserver version (with associated firmware) are you using?
I'm using 6.2.1
I installed the 2006-03-06 build of 6.2.2 and it seemed to me that the
sound quality improved. That version also installed a newer firmware
version (v35?). I have later installed
P Floding Wrote:
I have high concentration isopropanol for cleaning capstan rolls and the
like, but not for contact cleaning. It has water in it, so seems less
than ideal.
I was just reading about the diy bob crump PC*, and someone at the end
suggested using alcohol for cleaning wire before
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