Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
No, no, no. if 1 in 167 people is killed each year, that means each year your odds of being killed are, at least numerically, 1 in 167. Those odds do not change the following year. They don't all of a sudden become 1 in 83.5. On 11/11/06, Gruss wrote: G-man wrote: .83^365=.993814 or

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
i'm not especially defending bush, what i am saying is that bush is no different than a lot of other people at that time. as for kerry, why did he take a video camera? the guy obviously planned a career in politics and he wanted some hero footage. i never dissed his service, but to suggest that he

Re: Bill Maher (warning: long; SoC; mostly pointless)

2006-11-12 Thread Vivec
*claps* ^_^ lol lol a million legal ways to invade Iraq. Perhaps, but would the population have supported the move so heartily if all it involved was 'Doing the right thing'? Nope. I don't think Americans would have gotten behind that for so long. A move like that would not have won Bush two

RE: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Nick McClure
I'm not arguing that, Of course China and Islam aren't the same thing. China and the people in China want money and prosperity. Arab countries also want that, however radical Islam doesn't. You don't change the mind of radicals by showing them the good life. The 9/11 guys were here for some time

RE: Bill Maher (warning: long; SoC; mostly pointless)

2006-11-12 Thread Nick McClure
It was Fortunate Son by CCR. -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:43 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bill Maher (warning: long; SoC; mostly pointless) you might be saying something, but all i hear is waa waa waa.

RE: Digital Camera recommendations

2006-11-12 Thread Nick McClure
I have a Nikon D100 to sell :) 6.1 Megapixel -Original Message- From: So Kenfused [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 8:15 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Digital Camera recommendations I am looking for a new digital camera. I'd like an SLR with

Re: Digital Camera recommendations

2006-11-12 Thread Paul Ihrig
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Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
RoMunn wrote: No, no, no. if 1 in 167 people is killed each year, Here's where you're stuck: There's a difference between the odds of a favorable outcome in one iteration and that favorable outcome **without losing** **multiple times in a row**. So the odds of death do indeed double the

Re: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Nick wrote: China and the people in China want money and prosperity. Arab countries also want that, however radical Islam doesn't. But they are the same. Mostly. Your average Chinaman and your average Arab both want a BMW and a 4 bedroom home. The rulers, too, are the same: they want to

RE: Digital Camera recommendations

2006-11-12 Thread Nick McClure
It is in good condition, i'm wanting $600 for all of it It is the D100, a 19-28mm lens, a 35-70mm lens, the MB-D100 battery/grip and 5 batteries and a charger. I have a picture if you want it. From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun 11/12/2006

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Robert, So you are saying that every service man that takes a camera, or notebook, or diary to war is doing so to further a some-day-in-the-future political career? That all of the pictures of Abu-Ghraib were taken for that purpose? Or is it just John Kerry who had that particular motive?

Re: Digital Camera recommendations

2006-11-12 Thread Paul Ihrig
Nick how does it compare to the D70? thats what my wife wants. she is a photographer/graphic designer. but her old film camera has died. how old is your camera? not sure if it is a good deal compared to new, warrenty/ pics would be good. On 11/12/06, Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
RoMunn wrote: why did he take a video camera? HOLY CRAP! I didn't know you were thinking of running for President! I mean you brought that camera with you to the Far East which can mean only one thing: you're running for President. If not, why would you have brought it with you?

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Larry Lyons
blah blah blah. everyone who could get a deferment or hide from Vietnam duty did, that was the rule, not the exception. John Kerry volunteered for service so he could shoot a war movie for his later run for Congress, which is exactly what he did. His elitism was clear when he came back and did

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread William Bowen
why did he take a video camera? HOLY CRAP! I didn't know you were thinking of running for President! Not only that, it proves the Kerry + Alien infiltration link, as everyone knows if he had only used available tech at the time, we'd be none that wiser!!! Why oh why John Kerry did you not

Casinos And Getting Rich

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Based on the probability discussion, I've pondered a new casino game you can play with your neighbors and get rich. It's called Toss For Treasure! Here are the rules: The player can choose a few different ways to play: (1.) Bet $1 on one toss, win $0.50, or (2.) Bet $1 on 2 tosses, call them,

RE: Digital Camera recommendations

2006-11-12 Thread Nick McClure
There are a couple of differences. It is the same CCD same resolution. The D100 had a steel frame, so it is a little heavier but more durable. The D70 doesn't have the grip/battery add-on available, which basically adds a few features that aren't available on the D70. It lets you use two

1st Female Silver Star Since WWII

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester fought her way through an enemy ambush south of Baghdad, killing three insurgents with her M-4 rifle to save fellow soldiers' lives -- and yesterday became the first woman since World War II to win the Silver Star medal for valor in combat. The 23-year-old retail store

Re: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
well I am just confused then . Please bear with me. When you say Supporting the enemy of our enemy isn't terrorism, it isn't good practice, but it isn't terrorism. you are replying to Gruss' comment about US support for Iraq when it was fighting Iran (1980-1988), correct? So this was not

Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
the thing that is outstanding here is that you are still condescendingly explaining where he is wrong ;) Crack a statistics text, dude. If the coin toss is a reference model, it's yours, and it sucks. Let me scroll up and see what your exact argument is, and see if I can't straighten this out. I

Re: Odds (was: Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign)

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Denny wrote: Does math prove that just by counting, we're changing the outcome, or am I conflating different maths? The point Dana and Robert are making relates to independent events, e.g., each flip of a coin. In that case, each flip is it's own event with the same probability of the

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Larry Lyons
i'm not especially defending bush, what i am saying is that bush is no different than a lot of other people at that time. as for kerry, why did he take a video camera? the guy obviously planned a career in politics and he wanted some hero footage. i never dissed his service, but to suggest that he

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
Oh, right, I'm wrong, it wasn't a video camera, it was an 8mm film camera that must have been quite bulky and heavy. Just what a guy needs tooling around in the jungle in Vietnam. I can't believe you guys buy his BS. From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry): In his sophomore

Re: 1st Female Silver Star Since WWII

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
Now that's what a hero looks like. On 11/12/06, Gruss wrote: Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester fought her way through an enemy ambush south of Baghdad, killing three insurgents with her M-4 rifle to save fellow soldiers' lives -- and yesterday became the first woman since World War II to win the Silver

Re: Great perspective on the election

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
I agree with his analysis, though I personally don't think much of Dobbs, who is a protectionist crank of the worst sort. He might have been separated at birth from his protectionist (and xenophobic) soul brother Pat Buchanan. On 11/9/06, G Money wrote: From Lou Dobbs: While the Democratic

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
RoMunn wrote: (1962), and vocal critic of US foreign policy in Vietnam was lugging around an 8mm camera just to shoot some personal memories in the jungles of Vietnam? Rght. Ok, so let's say Kerry was a critic of US foreign policy and went to Vietnam to prove his point. He still served

Re: 1st Female Silver Star Since WWII

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
RoMunn wrote: Now that's what a hero looks like. I'm gonna sound a little sexist here, but the thought of a babe flanking and charging the enemy troops, tossing grenades, and gunning them down is totally hardcore. She's a 23 year old store manager AND a combat hardened killer. Wow.

Re: Great perspective on the election

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
gMoney wrote: Republican-led administration and Congress that for six years has been telling working men and women and their families in this country to shut up, listen up and go to hell. I dunno ... I think this was almost completely about Iraq. The President got away with selling a losing

Re: Great perspective on the election

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
no actually I think it was the sheer stupid arrogance of this administration, of which Iraq was a symptom. On 11/12/06, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gMoney wrote: Republican-led administration and Congress that for six years has been telling working men and women and their families

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
he obviously should have avoided service by joining the Air National guard. On 11/12/06, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoMunn wrote: (1962), and vocal critic of US foreign policy in Vietnam was lugging around an 8mm camera just to shoot some personal memories in the jungles of

Re: Great perspective on the election

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
G-man wrote: I think America finally figured out that fight and win is not a strategy and that it's better to be prudent than merely courageous. Henry IV part 1, Act 5, Scene 4: Counterfeit? I lie, I am no counterfeit: to die, is to be a counterfeit; for he is but the counterfeit of a man

Re: Great perspective on the election

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: no actually I think it was the sheer stupid arrogance of this administration, of which Iraq was a symptom. Can't disagree with you there; I never liked Bush except for the time between 9/11 and Afghanistan. It's just s ironic that this is an Administration that choose

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: he obviously should have avoided service by joining the Air National guard. LOL! yeah ... ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your

Minimum Wage Explained

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
The Wages of Politics November 11, 2006; Page A6 WALL STREET JOURNAL [abridged by me] The Bureau of Labor Statistics puts the number of minimum-wage earners at 2% of the work force. The majority of these are under 25 years old and single. Minimum-wage jobs also tend to have higher turnover. The

Re: 1st Female Silver Star Since WWII

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
tsk. Obviously did it all to get her picture in wikipedia. Don't be naive. On 11/12/06, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RoMunn wrote: Now that's what a hero looks like. I'm gonna sound a little sexist here, but the thought of a babe flanking and charging the enemy troops, tossing

Re: 1st Female Silver Star Since WWII

2006-11-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
No, she was hoping it would help her profile on Match.com On 11/12/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tsk. Obviously did it all to get her picture in wikipedia. Don't be naive. ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly

Re: 1st Female Silver Star Since WWII

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
hehe. On 11/12/06, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, she was hoping it would help her profile on Match.com On 11/12/06, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tsk. Obviously did it all to get her picture in wikipedia. Don't be naive.

Re: Bill Maher

2006-11-12 Thread Larry Lyons
Oh, right, I'm wrong, it wasn't a video camera, it was an 8mm film camera that must have been quite bulky and heavy. Just what a guy needs tooling around in the jungle in Vietnam. I can't believe you guys buy his BS. [snip] So a Yale grad (BA Political Science - focus on American Government),

Total bummer - the end of an era.

2006-11-12 Thread Paul Vernon
One of the most famous rock/alt/goth/industrual clubs in the UK burnt down last night :( I've spent many happy times in there as I studied in Brum and I was the secretary of the Rock Soc I even dated one of the staff for a while :). I was in there only a couple of weeks ago... Nearly went this

Re: Bill Maher (warning: long; SoC; mostly pointless)

2006-11-12 Thread Denny Valliant
On 11/12/06, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a million legal ways to invade Iraq. Perhaps, but would the population have supported the move so heartily if all it involved was 'Doing the right thing'? At that point, I'm pretty sure the pop would have gone along with whatever. He could do no

Re: Bill Maher (warning: long; SoC; mostly pointless)

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
definitely not by reading the local bush apologist rag. My only answer is Google News. You can't believe everthing that turns up there, but it certainly gives you a diversity of points of view. On 11/12/06, Denny Valliant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/12/06, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Odds (was: Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign)

2006-11-12 Thread Denny Valliant
On 11/12/06, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denny wrote: Does math prove that just by counting, we're changing the outcome, or am I conflating different maths? The point Dana and Robert are making relates to independent events, e.g., each flip of a coin. In that case, each flip is

Re: Odds (was: Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign)

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
ya there are a lot of variables. However, if you really wanted to sit down and enumerate them, then assign a probablility to each, you can do that. It's not like trying to decide how likely it is that God scratched his butt when he woke up this morning. I think I forgot to post a link about the

Re: Odds (was: Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign)

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Denny wrote: Maybe a better example, instead of the stuff I wrote, would be, what if you come up against a crack coin tosser. That's the best thing about math - it can describe anything physical so you could, in fact, describe the crack coin tosser. But, yeah, that's the problem with

Re: Odds (was: Re: Drudge reporting Rumsfeld to re-sign)

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: I think I forgot to post a link about the Drake equation Here's a CF generated article 'bout all that jazz: SETI Institute astronomer Seth Shostak: The lack of precision in determining these parameters pales in comparison with our ignorance of L. Similarly, Mars Society president

RE: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Nick McClure
I was talking about the specific support of Iraq for the purposes of the Iran war. That wasn't supporting terrorism. If Iraq used that support during terrorist operations against somebody else then maybe it would be supporting terrorism. From: Dana

Re: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
um ok so what happene to the kurds wasn't terrorism, just genocide? On 11/12/06, Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was talking about the specific support of Iraq for the purposes of the Iran war. That wasn't supporting terrorism. If Iraq used that support during terrorist operations

Re: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Nick wrote: If Iraq used that support during terrorist operations against somebody How about if they used munitions the US gave them against their own unarmed citizens? ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80

eVote Misplaces Man's Vote For Himself

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
WALDENBURG, Ark. Nov 11, 2006 (AP)— Randy Wooten figured he'd get at least one vote in his bid for mayor of this town of 80 people even if it was just his own. He didn't. Now he has to decide whether to file a formal protest. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2646802CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

Re: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Gruss Gott
Dana wrote: um ok so what happene to the kurds wasn't terrorism, just genocide? This whole thing is the ole we-always-do-everything-right routine. We don't. We do bad things, we support bad people, we poke our noses where they shouldn't be, etc. Look at China and India - they're only

Dems- will they govern from the center?

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
Here comes the angry Left. * http://tinyurl.com/yj3gbu* -- --- Robert Munn www.funkymojo.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information by your

and now it's the cut and run club

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/15974-1.html -- --- Robert Munn www.funkymojo.com ~| Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-hitting, up-to-date ColdFusion information

Re: and now it's the cut and run club

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
The urge to channel Sam here is just ferocious. But I will refrain and merely note that Steny Hoyer is a machine Democrat so you probably don't want him either. On 11/12/06, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/15974-1.html -- ---

Re: and now it's the cut and run club

2006-11-12 Thread Robert Munn
i am from maryland, i know steny hoyer. not my favorite, but better than murtha. On 11/12/06, Dana wrote: The urge to channel Sam here is just ferocious. But I will refrain and merely note that Steny Hoyer is a machine Democrat so you probably don't want him either. On 11/12/06, Robert Munn

Re: and now it's the cut and run club

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
ah ok, didn't realize you were from MD. On 11/12/06, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am from maryland, i know steny hoyer. not my favorite, but better than murtha. On 11/12/06, Dana wrote: The urge to channel Sam here is just ferocious. But I will refrain and merely note that

why not appoint warner?

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
here's an interesting question. Indeed, why not Warner? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/11/12/EDG8LM84S31.DTL The departure of Donald Rumsfeld from the Pentagon handed President Bush a precious opportunity to restore the confidence of senior commanders in

Re: Dems git r done

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
This book should be required reading. Should have been, it been around for years. http://makeashorterlink.com/?N25C6282E All political beliefs aside Terry Prachett knocks one out of the park with this installment of the Discworld saga. Sam Vimes sets off to stop a war started by idiots. What

Re: 1st Female Silver Star Since WWII

2006-11-12 Thread William Bowen
tsk. Obviously did it all to get her picture in wikipedia. Don't be naive. is she gonna run for congress some day? Or is it too early to tell since we don't know which party she belongs to? :-P All seriousness though, good for her coming through unscathed. All in a day's work... -- will

Re: Dems- will they govern from the center?

2006-11-12 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On 11/12/06, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here comes the angry Left. * http://tinyurl.com/yj3gbu* I have said and will continue to say that the Dems have about a year, maybe a year and a half, to deliver on their promises. If they deliver to the extreme left of their party they will

Re: Dems- will they govern from the center?

2006-11-12 Thread Dana
I agree. On 11/12/06, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/12/06, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here comes the angry Left. * http://tinyurl.com/yj3gbu* I have said and will continue to say that the Dems have about a year, maybe a year and a half, to deliver on their

[PS2] Final Fantasy 12 has pulled me out of Oblivion (Long)

2006-11-12 Thread Jim Davis
I got Oblivion (XBox 360) late and despite a few tentative forays into Lego Star Wars II (also on the 360), Loco Roco (PSP) and a few others I've been playing it pretty much non-stop since I got it - just under 200 hours at last glance. I wasn't actually going to even pick up Final Fantasy XII