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this discussion reminded me of the "Wear Sunscreen" song "Accept certain inalienable truths: Prices will rise. Politicians will philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected thei

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this sounds suspiciously like "That does it! I'm taking my toys and leaving" On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > I kind of figured this. Discussion over. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http:/

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The Psych blog The Human Beast had an interesting take that's relevant to the discussion. Is the Family Doomed? By Nigel Barber, Ph.D. Created Jan 3 2013 - 12:44pm If you had a trying time with your relatives this holiday season, the news is good. Such gatherings will soon be a faint memory acco

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Are you implying Laura Schlessinger slept with her dad or her son? If someone commits adultery or incest they are in no position to complain about others. That's being hypocritical and not unique to the religious. When you say enforcement, I see different meanings http://www.wouldjesusdiscrimina

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Very true. As the blogger and writer Lynn Lavner siad "The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision" On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Maureen wrote: >

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The point of both the West Wing episode and the post that started this conversation is that picking and choosing verses from the Bible can support any nonsense, so simply making an issue of one sin makes you a hypocrite when you are indulging in the others. Read Leviticus 20, and tell me how many

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I would add it is a crime when you decree it and don't try while pushing it on others... -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I give up On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Eric Roberts

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"Few people would ever be able to FULLY live their lives as Christ taught. We are all flawed people" It's this part that gives people problems: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as your

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s > Christ taught, but they are the exception unfortunately...not the norm. > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Judith Dinowitz [mailto:jdino...@houseoffusion.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:58 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: I give up > > &g

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > While yes, you can find people who truly are Christian as > Christ taught, but they are the exception unfortunately...not the norm. > > Few people would ever be able to FULLY live their lives as Christ taught

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ilto:jdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:58 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I give up I just don't like these blanket statements, Cameron. For example, I can think of several people who call themselves Christians who, I have found, do what they say they will do. I can think

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"But this to me is the sign of a decline." You are soo narrow minded! And maybe a religious zealot! We'll be keeping an eye on you. J - It is well that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution befor

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lto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:46 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I give up "Even claiming to know what Jesus (or anyone in the Bible) really said can be debated." Of course it's debatable. Anything attributed to a historical figure from thousands

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als in the Midwest. Then you also have the difference in rural vs suburban vs urban. -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 9:32 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I give up "Yes, I have clear cut morals. I'm sure you h

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"I didn't post a message saying what I thought the reasons for the attack were...so no, my bias did not come into play. I posted a message demonstrating that the morals found in the moral reference book of 90% of Americans are not that better than the ones today." Of course your biases didn't com

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c'mon, I was 12 in 6th gradesheesh! On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > > > Intercourse in front of all your friends at 11? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-C

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Sam anecdote is not the singular for data. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox > wrote: >> >> During a rainstorm, do you go out in your back yard, see the water puddling >> up and them proclaim, "The world is flooding" -- anecdotes do

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > During a rainstorm, do you go out in your back yard, see the water puddling > up and them proclaim, "The world is flooding" -- anecdotes don't > necessarily mean a trend. Well that changes everything. I'm not going to finish the arc no

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She said homosexuality cannot be condoned. Sounds like she doesn't want to approve of it. That's her prerogative. . On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:22 PM, GMoney wrote: > > That's nice. But I wish he would have had one more paragraph where he > explained how the Biblical passages against homosexuality

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During a rainstorm, do you go out in your back yard, see the water puddling up and them proclaim, "The world is flooding" -- anecdotes don't necessarily mean a trend. 30 years ago, I was a sixth grader...I'm fairly certain I had a pretty good "hands on" understanding of female anatomy at the time

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A middle school near me started segregating girls from boys and we found out it was because the were having sex under the table during lunch. All the kids would gather round the table so the teachers couldn't see what was happening. These were sixth graders. They're in therapy now and I'm not sur

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That's nice. But I wish he would have had one more paragraph where he explained how the Biblical passages against homosexuality should also not be put into a literal context today. He correctly admonished the shortsightedness of the President's taking the old testament literally and applying it t

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Well said. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > >> >> "but therein, you've already let your bias show that you believe its >> the lowering >> of morals that caused this." >> >> But your bias doesn't come into play?

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "but therein, you've already let your bias show that you believe its > the lowering > of morals that caused this." > > But your bias doesn't come into play? Typical. > > I didn't post a message saying what I thought the reasons for the at

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I liked the West Wing, except for all the parts with Martin Sheen. Here's a Christian retort: http://www.equip.org/articles/president-bartlets-fallacious-diatribe/ It's easy to look good when you write the script. Ali McBeal was an awesome lawyer, according to her writers. . On Thu, Jan 3, 20

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Just to clarify, I did not post the commentary, but even so I fail to see the attack. Also, most of the items commented are not from the Torah, but from other books. An episode of the West Wing addressed most of the same items. Perhaps you've seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWuXpfXSl5Y

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"If you wanna place blame for Newtown, place it on the pharmaceutical company that marketed a drug known to cause violence and delusional thinking and the doctor who gave it to a young man who was already severely disturbed." This is an angle that needs to be investigated. I have read that a hig

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"but therein, you've already let your bias show that you believe its the lowering of morals that caused this." But your bias doesn't come into play? Typical. "We don't know if there were mental issues, or it was just plain stupidity that caused this kid to do this." We sure don't, and when I w

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Right. Because it was a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the Torah (written law without the oral law taken into account at all), it lacked a certain context. To respond properly, I would need to look at what you said, read it in context, and see what the commentaries say to shed more light on each ca

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Well then to re-frame the discussion, what you call the old testament is a translation of a translation of a translation or something like that. The original Hebrew version also was written over the span of 1000 years and passed down verbally for a much longer time. So we're back to all or nothin

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What you are claiming was an attack on religion was actually a somewhat tongue-in-cheek commentary on several passages of the Old Testament. It has nothing to do with the gospels. Perhaps I simply feel if you are going to attack what is posted, you should at least have some comprehension of wha

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Four or five, not important What's wrong with my time frame? No, I have not read them. What baffles me is that you think someone should be all in to defend someone else. . On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Baffled that anyone would attempt to defend or discuss religion and

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But doesn't each sect choose which book(s) to give more weight to? . On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > It's not my argument that says believe all or none. That's been what has > been preached for ages. > > It's definitely not my argument that the bible is the "Inerr

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Baffled that anyone would attempt to defend or discuss religion and not even know how many gospels there are, or when they were written. My next question would be have you read them? On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Sam wrote: > > Well, if your talking about the gospels aren't there five, writ

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It's not my argument that says believe all or none. That's been what has been preached for ages. It's definitely not my argument that the bible is the "Inerrant word of God" On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Sam wrote: > > Well, if your talking about the gospels aren't there five, written > o

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I agree that those are serious issues that need to be addressed, but it is doubtful that any of them apply in the Newtown case. By all reports Adam Lanza had very loving, but strict, parents who did all they could do to give him the care and love he needed. Even allowing him access to the guns w

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Well, if your talking about the gospels aren't there five, written over decades by different people? Yet your argument seems to be believe all or none? That's why I think it's a cheap shot at religion. I'm sure you can find valid and specific arguments, but the broad brush get's my attention. .

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didn't even have to watch that video to have that song going through my head all night. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson > wrote: > > > I wish we were more pol

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I still don't get how using specific examples from a book that is held up as the basis of a religion is an attack on said religion? Seems to me that if you're offended by things in that book, you're, in essence, offended by your own religion. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Sam wrote: > > I

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but therein, you've already let your bias show that you believe its the lowering of morals that caused this. We don't know if there were mental issues, or it was just plain stupidity that caused this kid to do this. Heck it may have even been that the mother was trying to get help for her son, b

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why do you assume that this is a matter of personal responsibility or lack thereof on anyone's part? He lived a very isolated life combined with moderate to severe Aspergers. This is not a case of his parent had not divorced or he had not been disciplined enough or spanked enough etc. It seems to

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My own opinion is that I do not think we will ever be able to determine the root cause here. It was locked in the head of Adam Lanza. But I did find an interesting brief analysis of a potential causal factor (not reason but factors associated with the shooting). http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/15

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Sam wrote: > That's the same as saying every Muslim is a terrorist because the > extremists represent all of them. > > Broaden your views and stop stereotyping. No, it's the same as saying Muslims (also) have the same number of asshats as the general population

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That's the same as saying every Muslim is a terrorist because the extremists represent all of them. Broaden your views and stop stereotyping. . On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Judith Dinowitz > wrote: > >> I just don't like these b

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Judith Dinowitz wrote: > I just don't like these blanket statements, Cameron. For example, I > can think of several people who call themselves Christians who, I have > found, do what they say they will do. Really, my statement could have just as well been that

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I just don't like these blanket statements, Cameron. For example, I can think of several people who call themselves Christians who, I have found, do what they say they will do. I can think of two examples of friends of mine who are in our community. Bring specific examples, back what you're saying

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"Even claiming to know what Jesus (or anyone in the Bible) really said can be debated." Of course it's debatable. Anything attributed to a historical figure from thousands of years ago is debatable. "It's what the church *claims* he said. Which, as Judith pointed out earlier in this thread is

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"Yes, I have clear cut morals. I'm sure you have clear cut morals also." Of course. Everyone has morals. The central questions are: What morals do we as citizens of the US have in common? Is this common ground big enough to define the morals for a country? Has this pool of common morals dec

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Maureen wrote: > Quite familiar with that line of thought as I've read many of those > translations, so I'll reword my statement. Very few of those who > call themselves Christians today practice what various Bibles claim that > Jesus said. I'd settle for them s

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Quite familiar with that line of thought as I've read many of those translations, so I'll reword my statement. Very few of those who call themselves Christians today practice what various Bibles claim that Jesus said. I'd settle for them simply doing that. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Camero

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Maureen wrote: > Very few of those who call themselves Christians today practice what > Jesus taught. Even claiming to know what Jesus (or anyone in the Bible) really said can be debated. It's what the church *claims* he said. Which, as Judith pointed out earli

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Very few of those who call themselves Christians today practice what Jesus taught. I've been studying theology for over 40 years, and I am convinced that the current batch of those claiming to represent Christ are in fact precursors to the anti-Christ spoken of in the Bible, and those who are tru

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Yes. The Ideal rather than the Mundane. On Wednesday, January 2, 2013, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I assume you mean more of what Jesus Christ is believed to have preached > rather than what His followers today have turned it into? > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson > > > wrote:

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I assume you mean more of what Jesus Christ is believed to have preached rather than what His followers today have turned it into? On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > I wish people were generally nicer, and more "Christian" in their actions > and attitudes > -- Scott

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > I wish we were more polite to each other > I wish we as a society held high moral character in higher regard > I wish greed and avarice were less accepted > I wish cheating on your taxes was less accepted > I wish cheating on your spous

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I'm offended when most groups are stereotyped against. One can easily pick a few random isolated points and present it as a valid argument against such and such. Comedians do it all the time. I just think it was unprovoked and unnecessary. Maybe tomorrow we can all get along. . On Wed, Jan 2, 2

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Yes, I have clear cut morals. I'm sure you have clear cut morals also. I just would like to know what morals you're saying are being usurped by the rise of moral relativism? On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > So, are you saying there are no clear cut morals to measure with

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"well, maybe you'd like to specify what morals you're judging this rise of moral relativism against? Maybe then I could hone my argument to be a little bit more clear." So, are you saying there are no clear cut morals to measure with? I need to define morals in order for you to hone an argument

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Its been shown over 2500 years ago that you do not need religion for morality. After all why do you need God to be good.For that matter I suspect you don't need philosophy either. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "That however has little or nothing to do with moral relati

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I would feel offended but then, it occurs to me, as it always does, that almost everything you know about the Bible is seen through a Christian light, which is really a translation of a translation of a translation of the written law without the oral tradition. So I can't get offended because you'

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it's pretty much the same as when someone uses the phrase, "Intelligent Design". They didn't technically say "God did it", but you can read between the lines and figure it out. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > That's because I didn't. > > I guess someone is implying that r

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well, maybe you'd like to specify what morals you're judging this rise of moral relativism against? Maybe then I could hone my argument to be a little bit more clear. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "It's not so much of an attack on religion as much as a retort against

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"It's not so much of an attack on religion as much as a retort against the "relative moralism" comment." Funny. The definition of retort must have changed recently. I thought it wasn't something different than mindless rambling. J - I, however, place economy among the first and most importan

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"Yeah, let's start it off with an attack on religion." "I like your idea Sam." "Me too...that's an idea I can get behind." Okay, which religion? How about Islam? Let's start with that. J - Thanks to TV and for the convenience of TV, you can only be one of two kinds of human beings, either

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"That however has little or nothing to do with moral relativism, and I didn't see Jerry mention religion or the bible." That's because I didn't. I guess someone is implying that religion is necessary for morals. An interesting discussion that philosophers have debated for millennia. J - I

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I disagree. There is more active charity around, and I've been noticing more simply random acts of kindness lately. Most crimes are down considerably, violent crimes are at a historic low in most western countries. For instance in 2011 Canada had a historically low rate of firearms related homicid

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More Christian? No thanks given the history of Christianity and dissent, perhaps less Christian would be more appropriate. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I will say this: > > I wish we were more polite to each other > I wish we as a society held high moral characte

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Won't happen. Human beings are a soulless, flawed and doomed species on the downside of their evolutionary peak. You may succeed in your individual goals, but by 2014, we as a species will simply be one year further corrupted. Mark my words, by this time next year, we will have a tragedy even mor

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I will say this: I wish we were more polite to each other I wish we as a society held high moral character in higher regard I wish greed and avarice were less accepted I wish cheating on your taxes was less accepted I wish cheating on your spouse was less accepted I wish cheating at sports was le

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It's really not worth arguing unless it's a worth while point. To you, I'm sure it is. To me, just another weak attempt to insult people that have different beliefs. . On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Proud bigot? You did not say it I did. Ergo you must have been > refe

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Proud bigot? You did not say it I did. Ergo you must have been referring to something you said. But you claimed an attack on religion. All I am saying is that that's a low hanging fruit. It was a lazy, mindless, thoughtless attack that's right up your alley. Come on surely you can do better than

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My bad, I thought it was a cheap shot at mocking most people you don't agree with. Carry on. . On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Marlon Moyer wrote: > > It's not so much of an attack on religion as much as a retort against the > "relative moralism" comment. > >>Yeah, let's start it off with an

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It's not so much of an attack on religion as much as a retort against the "relative moralism" comment. >Yeah, let's start it off with an attack on religion. > >WTF? > >. > > >> >> Wow...the post of the year..and it's only January 2nd! >> >> Love it. >> ~

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Said the proud bigot . On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Why go for low hanging fruit? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=

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Why go for low hanging fruit? On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > Yeah, let's start it off with an attack on religion. > > WTF? > > . > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM, GMoney wrote: >> >> Wow...the post of the year..and it's only January 2nd! >> >> Love it. >> > > ~~

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Oo oo pick me, pick me ::hand waving:: On Jan 2, 2013 1:17 PM, "GMoney" wrote: > > Me too...that's an idea I can get behind. > > Would you like to start off the testimonials, Sam? > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Cameron Childress >wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sam wr

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too late, already done .; On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Me too...that's an idea I can get behind. > > Would you like to start off the testimonials, Sam? > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! htt

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM, GMoney wrote: > Me too...that's an idea I can get behind. > > Would you like to start off the testimonials, Sam? I think it's called "witnessing", not testimonials. Not sure which faiths use that language though. -Cameron ... ~~~

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Me too...that's an idea I can get behind. Would you like to start off the testimonials, Sam? On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sam wrote: > > > Yeah, let's start it off with an attack on religion. > > > I like your idea Sam. > > ...

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Sam wrote: > Yeah, let's start it off with an attack on religion. I like your idea Sam. ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/14

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Yeah, let's start it off with an attack on religion. WTF? . On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:16 AM, GMoney wrote: > > Wow...the post of the year..and it's only January 2nd! > > Love it. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

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Bravo! On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Marlon Moyer wrote: > > I agree with you J, this culture of relative moralism is really pitiful. > I mean, crap, why should the government have any say in what I do to my > wife or kids. I mean, really, if the good book says I can kill my child if > the

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First off is it Descriptive moral relativism, meta-ethical moral relativism or normative moral relativism? They are quite different. >From Wikipedia: - Moral relativism may be any of several philosophical positions concerned with the differences in moral judgments across different people and

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Not so, Scout. Rape occurs in several cultures without punishment. If you believe even ONE objective moral truth exists...i.e. "that unprovoked murder is always wrong"...then you do not believe in moral relativity. If this is the case, then the next (more interesting) question becomes, from whenc

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Well i'm an independent, and i would define CULTURAL relativism as the believe that each culture defines it's own set of morals and values, and any ethical questions must therefore be weighed in those terms. Thus, there are no objective moral truths that exist over and above culture. Perhaps this

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There are base line static morals that we can all agree on. Murder, rape, theft and so on. On Jan 2, 2013 11:21 AM, "Vivec" wrote: > > I think it is the same thing. You rationalise and pick what to agree with > and believe in depending on your own personal situation. > > > On 2 January 2013 12:

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I think it is the same thing. You rationalise and pick what to agree with and believe in depending on your own personal situation. On 2 January 2013 12:13, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > I have yet to see a definition of moral relativism that is not self > contradictory and typically is used for a

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I have yet to see a definition of moral relativism that is not self contradictory and typically is used for a pejorative by conservatives. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 11:08 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > I agree with you about , and consider myself athiest because of it. That > however has little or nothi

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You forgot your tags Marlon. But I see where you're coming from here. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Marlon Moyer wrote: > > I agree with you J, this culture of relative moralism is really pitiful. I > mean, crap, why should the government have any say in what I do to my wife or > kids. I

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I agree with you about , and consider myself athiest because of it. That however has little or nothing to do with moral relativism, and I didn't see Jerry mention religion or the bible. On Jan 2, 2013 10:36 AM, "Vivec" wrote: > > Yeah. Some people take religion literally, which when you start t

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Yeah. Some people take religion literally, which when you start to get into what these books say, becomes ridiculous. An intelligent individual starts to make one rationalisation, and one allowance after the next for the statements made. Soon they are following one portion of the book, and not an

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Wow...the post of the year..and it's only January 2nd! Love it. On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Marlon Moyer wrote: > > I agree with you J, this culture of relative moralism is really pitiful. > I mean, crap, why should the government have any say in what I do to my > wife or kids. I mean,

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I agree with you J, this culture of relative moralism is really pitiful. I mean, crap, why should the government have any say in what I do to my wife or kids. I mean, really, if the good book says I can kill my child if they misbehave, well, damnwhy should I listen to anyone else about it

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Before the shooting happened, I saw this headline: Fight over pizza ends in near drowning in dog's water bowl Upon seeing this, I thought about how far morality has fal

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t: Re: I give up Sources are now saying it wasn't Ryan, but his younger brother Adam.age 20. TWENTY. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Exactly... > > > Three Ravens Co

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nsulting.com > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ray Champagne [mailto:r...@raychampagne.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:58 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: I give up > > > > > >

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Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:58 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: I give up > > > I again go to a tweet I read last week when that Chiefs player killed his > wife, then himself, that fits well here, assuming he offed himself: > > "I generally don't recommend murd

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[mailto:r...@raychampagne.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I give up I again go to a tweet I read last week when that Chiefs player killed his wife, then himself, that fits well here, assuming he offed himself: "I generally don't recommend murde

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ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > tel: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > -Original Message- > From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:13 PM > To: cf-comm

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ulting.com -Original Message- From: GMoney [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:13 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: I give up There is an absurdity to praying to a God to intervene in the aftermath of a bloodbath that He knew was coming, and chose not to intervene

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