On Nov 2, 2007 4:45 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > Actually it doesn't.
> > It says they used to score lower on test but that's changing.
>
> Wrong. Here's what it said:
>
> "It is possible that the IQ-score differential is narrowing as well,
> but this has not been c
> Sam wrote:
> Actually it doesn't.
> It says they used to score lower on test but that's changing.
Wrong. Here's what it said:
"It is possible that the IQ-score differential is narrowing as well,
but this has not been clearly established. "
Further it goes on to say:
"At present, no one knows
http://physorg.com/news108722746.html
Here's something that may relate to this discussion, neuroscientists have
uncovered evidence of a distinct neurobiology of human intelligence. Their
Parieto-Frontal Integration Theory (P-FIT) identifies a brain network related
to intelligence, one that pri
Actually it doesn't.
It says they used to score lower on test but that's changing.
So if Caucasian scores (or intelligence if you like) are stagnant and
Blacks are constantly accelerating then who will be smarter in 20
years? Stupid point isn't it?
So desegregation is working or as some might thin
> Dennis wrote:
> good science? Hard science? You're a champion of correlation !=
> causation, if I recall, so I found your proposition, um, to be equivalent
> to dredging a pond, or, trolling, if you will, like old men for "mall ass".
>
AH HA! Good point, but in this case, as with Global Warmi
> Larry wrote:
> To me that directly contradicts his conclusions.
>
Dr. Watson's "conclusion" was:
"all the data says [Africans are less intelligent]".
According to your post he's exactly correct.
DISCLAIMER: I neither support nor endorse Dr. Watson's nor Larry's
statements or opinions.
~~
> > Larry wrote:
> > Perhaps this article, taken from the APA's response to Herrnstein's
> Bell Curve,
>
> Uh ... didn't you just SUPPORT Dr. Watson's statement? What you
> just posted said there's a non-test related differential in
> intelligence between blacks and whites, but that it's not
On 10/31/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> That's not the leap and there is, in logic, no leap. The only
> supposition I've put on the table is that there could be a
> *correlation* of traits, intelligence being among them. NOT THAT one
> gene controls this AND that. The word is co
On 10/31/07, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Did you actually read Dimmy's comments? Did you understand them?
Real witty there, sambo! :-)
I've been meaning to read the 'mismeasure of man', cuz I like that
author. Actually, one book covers the genes, another, the tests...
Interesting. I
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From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
> >So the real question is: are you saying it's not probable, or it's
>>impossible?
>>
>
&g
The summary doesn't match the report:
African Americans. The relatively low mean of the distribution of
African-American intelligence test scores has been discussed for many
years. Although studies using different tests and samples yield a
range of results, the Black mean is typically about one st
> Larry wrote:
> Perhaps this article, taken from the APA's response to Herrnstein's Bell
> Curve,
Uh ... didn't you just SUPPORT Dr. Watson's statement? What you
just posted said there's a non-test related differential in
intelligence between blacks and whites, but that it's not explainable
Perhaps this article, taken from the APA's response to Herrnstein, R. J. &
Murray, C. (1994)'s Bell Curve,
http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/apa_01.html, will help resolve this issue.
Because ethnic differences in intelligence reflect complex patterns, no overall
generalization about them is
> Larry wrote:
> I am saying that the data does not support the hypothesis
How about geographic differences? At, say, a regional level?
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>So the real question is: are you saying it's not probable, or it's
>impossible?
>
I am saying that the data does not support the hypothesis that there are racial
differences in intelligence. Given that until its conclusively demonstrated
otherwise, and reliably replicated, the discussion is o
> Chris wrote:
> Genetics, while it can probably influence intelligence or at least
> contribute too it, I feel is a small factor compared to environment and
> upbringing.
It seems remote that had I been brought up differently I'd be a genius
or a violin prodigy.
On the other hand, someone who wa
ya and it's also possible that some guy with a beard will strike you
down with a lightning bolt for saying so :) but I am not holding my
breath.
On 10/31/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > don't find it interesting, or useful. I can't understand why someone
> > who has m
>Here is my $.02 on this hotly raging debate =)
>
>Genetics, while it can probably influence intelligence or at least
>contribute too it, I feel is a small factor compared to environment and
>upbringing. While racism continues to exist, people will continue to
>group together in like-race communit
would you
bother?
Chris Peterson
Gainey IT
Adobe Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 11:19 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
> Larry wrote:
> What does that have to do with i
> Larry wrote:
> What does that have to do with intelliegence.
I dunno; my doctor says my dark skin correlates with a lower risk of
melanoma, but that my dyplastic mole correlates with a higher risk.
Maybe that means my risk profile evens out.
> THe point raised was that blacks were, on the aver
Please demonstrate that purple flowers are not caused by global
warming. This is the sort of question you are asking. I personally
don't find it interesting, or useful. I can't understand why someone
who has met a lot of people of all races would look for a correlation
between skin color and intell
> Dana wrote:
> don't find it interesting, or useful. I can't understand why someone
> who has met a lot of people of all races would look for a correlation
> between skin color and intelligence
I'm not looking for that correlation, I'm saying it's possible.
YOU'RE trying to place a racism label o
I'm still trying to figure out how they got done (I didn't read
them) if they are unethical and illegal.
- Matt
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From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: AY
> Dana wrote:
> ok... sorry, but the best explanation I have for this thread is that
> you have eaten some ugly pills. You want to believe that race
> correlates with intelligence, go ahead. I am outta here.
>
I think you're mixing up my interesting discussion on the possibility
of correlated gene
>> Gel wrote:
>> That's a huge, huge leap of logic, that the gene which controls skin
>> color is also linked to intelligence. I know of no research that has
>> been peer reviewed that proves such.
>>
>
>That's not the leap and there is, in logic, no leap. The only
>supposition I've put on the tab
>Why is this always a personal attack? Just provide some resources making
>your point and I'll concede.
>
>- Matt
Again, are you deliberately ignoring what I wrote. I provided a link to over
800 journal articles and books on the topic, and showed that the majority of
them showed no difference
>Why is this always a personal attack? Just provide some resources making
>your point and I'll concede.
>
>- Matt
Let me get this straight, I explain several times about a study that possibly
would be the definitive method of testing it, and also explain why it it would
be unethical and illega
ok... sorry, but the best explanation I have for this thread is that
you have eaten some ugly pills. You want to believe that race
correlates with intelligence, go ahead. I am outta here.
On 10/31/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > but why is it interesting? People keep
> Dana wrote:
> but why is it interesting? People keep telling you your views are not
> borne out by science.
Really? Cause here's my view:
It's possible that one genetic trait (yes, even "polygenic" professor)
is *correlated* with another.
Where's the science that says that's impossible?
but why is it interesting? People keep telling you your views are not
borne out by science. I know I damn for sure was not going to read
this thread at work with a Native American sitting next to me,
especially when you seem to have gotten the notion that I think it's
possible. I think that's enoug
> Sam wrote:
> Well about time.
>
That doesn't mean I think Dr. Watson's statement is impossible as many
have suggested.
For example, along a bell curve, babies born in a certain geographic
area might have, say, autism or some other genetic disease or
mutation. For example, Chernobyl. Or that t
it's also possible that viggo mortenson wants to be my love slave ;)
On 10/31/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > what I don't understand is why you would need to see resouces on this?
> > It's like asking people to prove that the position of Venus does NOT
> > affect the
Well about time.
On 10/31/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, As for Dr. Watson, based on comments here and what I've read
> since I would withdraw my comment we give him the benefit of the
> doubt.
~|
Download the
> Dana wrote:
> what I don't understand is why you would need to see resouces on this?
> It's like asking people to prove that the position of Venus does NOT
> affect the war in Iraq.
>
It's possible that Dr. Watson has seen studies or data supporting his
position, but that that data has been buri
urces
> making
> > your point and I'll concede.
> >
> > - Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community"
> > Sethisnt: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:53
> Gel wrote:
> That's a huge, huge leap of logic, that the gene which controls skin
> color is also linked to intelligence. I know of no research that has
> been peer reviewed that proves such.
>
That's not the leap and there is, in logic, no leap. The only
supposition I've put on the table is th
me resources making
> your point and I'll concede.
>
> - Matt
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
> Sethisnt: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:53 PM
> Subject: Re: AYFKM?
>
&g
indeed. How many times will this need to be said?
On 10/31/07, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's a huge, huge leap of logic, that the gene which controls skin
> > color is also linked to intelligence. I know of no research that has
> > been peer reviewed that proves such.
>
>
>
> That's a huge, huge leap of logic, that the gene which controls skin
> color is also linked to intelligence. I know of no research that has
> been peer reviewed that proves such.
+1, well done gel!
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable
That's a huge, huge leap of logic, that the gene which controls skin
color is also linked to intelligence. I know of no research that has
been peer reviewed that proves such.
These types of falacious statements are exactly those used to promote
racial segregation and to justify the horrors and abu
> Sam wrote:
> GG is a racist clear and simple.
> He stated as fact blacks weren't as smart using an imaginary study
> that he claims exists.
For the record, no I didn't and no I didn't. And in defense of a good
company, I also don't work for Target.
~
GG is a racist clear and simple.
He stated as fact blacks weren't as smart using an imaginary study
that he claims exists. The crazy doctor admitted no such studies exist
and couldn't believe he made up such a story. I know picking on Larry
is fun and easy but don't give GG a pass.
Did you actuall
om: "Dinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
> On 10/30/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't it be fairly easy to come up, say, an international 4 p
I know that if you apply for Mensa membership (in the UK at least) there are
actually two tests you take, one of which is non-cultural - this one I think
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattell_Culture_Fair_III
On 10/30/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Larry wrote:
> > No what I am say
On 10/30/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Wouldn't it be fairly easy to come up, say, an international 4 part
> intelligence test:
Sure! After you're done with that, find the biological counterpart
to the amount of The Force within one; I can't remember what
they're called, but A
Why is this always a personal attack? Just provide some resources making
your point and I'll concede.
- Matt
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From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
>> Larry wrote:
>> No what I am saying is that that sort of experiment is illegal and unethical.
>
>Wouldn't it be fairly easy to come up, say, an international 4 part
>intelligence test:
>
>1.) Quantitative
>2.) Arts
>3.) Emotional
>4.) verbal/reading
>
>The whole thing could use symbols rather th
I guess I need to explain it in simple terms, for the second time the
experiment is illegal as in against the law. It is unethical, as per the APA
and other professional organizations ethics committees. It is illegal in terms
of child abuse.
You should also read carefully I said use triplets an
the hell we do. This thread is NSFW :0
On Oct 29, 2007 9:28 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Chesty wrote:
> > So you're saying that if definitions were applied to these metrics, you
> > would be fine with it? I don't buy it.
> >
> >
>
> There are 2 issues:
>
> 1.) How do we best defi
m: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community"
>
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: AYFKM?
>
>
> > Matt
> >
> > No because "race" is not a single trait. It covers skin tone,
> > eyecolor, eye shape, ha
> Larry wrote:
> No what I am saying is that that sort of experiment is illegal and unethical.
Wouldn't it be fairly easy to come up, say, an international 4 part
intelligence test:
1.) Quantitative
2.) Arts
3.) Emotional
4.) verbal/reading
The whole thing could use symbols rather than language
quot;
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
> No what I am saying is that that sort of experiment is illegal and
> unethical. It has nothing to do with PC or whatever, it has everything to
> do with seriously fucking up the lives of people for a theory that the
No what I am saying is that that sort of experiment is illegal and unethical.
It has nothing to do with PC or whatever, it has everything to do with
seriously fucking up the lives of people for a theory that the existant data
has shown is incorrect. First you are tearing infants away from their
> Chesty wrote:
> I'm not looking to vilify any race out there... just suggesting the
> eminently logical. There *are* known differences between races.
Which is why I find the whole argument against *the possibility* such
an affront to logic: If there weren't any differences, there wouldn't
be rac
cussion and I have no interest in
beating a horse that is so dead that you can't tell it's a horse.
- Matt
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From: "Dinner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
&g
I think Gruss is just honoring All-hallow-even, chill'n under
the bridge.
To do my bit: Am I going to be the first one to bring God
into it? (God looks up from a game of air-hockey, all, like
"what?").
Intelligence, and, indeed, consciousness- hell, even this
[insert term] we call Reality- Are
t
apply to intelligence some some way.
- Matt
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From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
> >So the real question is: are you saying it's not probab
>So the real question is: are you saying it's not probable, or it's
>impossible?
What I am saying is that the data does not support the hypothesis that there is
a racial basic for intellectual differences. Personally I think that what
differences that are attributable to so called racial diff
>> Dana wrote:
>> no it is not what you just said. Cystic fibrosis is a quantifiable
>> trait. Football team choice and intelligence are not.
>>
>
>Intelligence isn't quantifiable? As I've suggested, I would say it's
>capacity and speed of learning. You could easily quantify that. I
>guess I'm n
So the real question is: are you saying it's not probable, or it's
impossible?
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From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
>>> Dana wr
>> Dana wrote:
>> I don't think that the answer is for people to study up on the culture
>> they are written to. Cultural diversity is as valuable as genetic
>> diversity imho.
>>
>
>The answer to what?
>
>All I'm saying is that the Dr. Watson dude probably has seen all kinds
>of data suggesting th
>> Dana wrote:
>> about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
>> really saying there is no such thing as cultural bias in an IQ test?
>>
>
>What I'm saying makes much more sense:
>
>(1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
First define intelligence. BTW the d
> Chesty wrote:
> So you're saying that if definitions were applied to these metrics, you
> would be fine with it? I don't buy it.
>
>
There are 2 issues:
1.) How do we best define human intelligence? How do we best test and
measure it?
2.) Is it possible that skin color, or any other trait, is
Chesty Puller wrote:
> Wait a second...
>
> I'm saying it's true or it ain't. But with the number of evolution
> arguments I've seen on this list (in regards to ID), I just don't see how a
> person could believe in evolution and then turn around and discredit the
> notion that subspecies might
So you're saying that if definitions were applied to these metrics, you
would be fine with it? I don't buy it.
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From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
&
e are all just animals with different abilities, strengths and
> weaknesses. Calling this notion racism is in fact political correctness run
> amok.
>
> - Matt
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Judah McAuley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-C
, we are all just animals with different abilities, strengths and
weaknesses. Calling this notion racism is in fact political correctness run
amok.
- Matt
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From: "Judah McAuley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007
Gruss Gott wrote:
> Nevertheless, you make many good points, however none of them explain
> why it is not possible that intelligence is correlated with skin
> color, which was Dr. Watson point.
>
> I'm just saying it's possible. That's all. To call it racist seems
> to reject logic in favor of p
> Judah wrote:
> You really don't seem to have a conception of causation and correlation.
I thought I made that distinction very well: genetics are the cause,
all taxonomies would be, by definition, correlations. That living in
Florida is correlated with hurricanes does not mean that Florida
caus
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Dana wrote:
>> about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
>> really saying there is no such thing as cultural bias in an IQ test?
>>
>
> What I'm saying makes much more sense:
>
> (1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
This is false.
::sigh:: I don't think either one is a discrete measurable value. I
think the remark is in the same category as "women can't do math."
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I don't think that the answer is for people to study up on the culture
> > they are written
> Dana wrote:
> I don't think that the answer is for people to study up on the culture
> they are written to. Cultural diversity is as valuable as genetic
> diversity imho.
>
The answer to what?
All I'm saying is that the Dr. Watson dude probably has seen all kinds
of data suggesting that African
I don't think that the answer is for people to study up on the culture
they are written to. Cultural diversity is as valuable as genetic
diversity imho.
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > cause what is intelligence?
> >
>
> But ignoring that point for a moment,
> Dana wrote:
> cause what is intelligence?
>
But ignoring that point for a moment, do we agree that there *could*
be a correlation between skin color and intelligence? It may not be a
convenient correlation, but it's possible ...
Back to the intelligence part, I'll go back to my capacity and s
and also, that's a kind of determinism. It's like saying well, if you
don't know what a piza looks like, kid, you are stupid and there is no
point in wasting educational services on you ;)
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > mm. There may be a genetic component
cause what is intelligence?
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > mm. There may be a genetic component to people's capacity for some of
> > those qualities which is nutured or hindered by the environment. I
> > still see no reason why a predisposition to intellectu
> Dana wrote:
> mm. There may be a genetic component to people's capacity for some of
> those qualities which is nutured or hindered by the environment. I
> still see no reason why a predisposition to intellectual, emotional,
> or mechanical ability would correlate with curly hair or skin color
> a
mm. There may be a genetic component to people's capacity for some of
those qualities which is nutured or hindered by the environment. I
still see no reason why a predisposition to intellectual, emotional,
or mechanical ability would correlate with curly hair or skin color
any more than it would co
> Dana wrote:
> a) you can quantify it but there are real issues with the quality of
> the numbers you get, at least in the usual tests.
I'm in full agreement with you as someone who does horrible on those
tests. However, even if we can't agree on an measure, there is
differences in intelligence
a) you can quantify it but there are real issues with the quality of
the numbers you get, at least in the usual tests. SATs have nothing to
do for example with ability to sell or put an engine together. I feel
comfortable saying that as I am someone that *does* score well on
these tests.
b) Tamale
> Dana wrote:
> no it is not what you just said. Cystic fibrosis is a quantifiable
> trait. Football team choice and intelligence are not.
>
Intelligence isn't quantifiable? As I've suggested, I would say it's
capacity and speed of learning. You could easily quantify that. I
guess I'm not quite
no it is not what you just said. Cystic fibrosis is a quantifiable
trait. Football team choice and intelligence are not.
on b -- I'll specifically say that you seem to make up a background
to claim expertise to support whatever silly point you are making at
the time. Kris.
I don't have time for
> Dana wrote:
> I am not offended. I just think that a) you're trolling b) you are
> full of it when it comes to being who you say you are and c) there is
> not an adequate definition on measurement of "intelligence" to support
> such a statement.
>
On point A.) All I'm saying is that Ashkenazi Je
I am not offended. I just think that a) you're trolling b) you are
full of it when it comes to being who you say you are and c) there is
not an adequate definition on measurement of "intelligence" to support
such a statement.
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I
> Dana wrote:
> I'm saying that intelligence *as measured in say the Stanford-Binet*
> is at least partially cutural.
>
"Intelligence" (whatever that is, but I would say capacity and speed
of learning) is 100% genetic and MAY correlate or be caused by other
genetic traits which could include skin
Right and these are cultural values, yes? Do they make the people who
hold them any less intelligent? I say no. Verbal intelligence is only
one type of intelligence (to take an example that I do not claim has
any cultural links). Respect for education is indedendent of actual
smarts, right? I am su
Right.
On 10/28/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > (1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
>
> Heh. Last I was thinking about it, there was that whole
> "nurture" aspect. Sorta throws a wrench, neh?
>
> If only things were
I'm saying that intelligence *as measured in say the Stanford-Binet*
is at least partially cutural.
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
> > really saying there is no such thing as cultural bia
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
Heh. Last I was thinking about it, there was that whole
"nurture" aspect. Sorta throws a wrench, neh?
If only things were cut and dry, right? Easy?
Speed AND position, no problemo! :-]
Why?
Because of the number of non-conforming.
The number of highly intelligent people that come from lower intelligence
(appearing) parents. The number of 'seemingly' lower intelligent people
coming from highly intelligent parents.
So, 'Can you determine an 'intelligence level' based upon t
>I almost electrocuted myself yesterday. Bad mistake or genetic trait?
> You tell me.
I am going to guess it was an accident. Without a complete rundown on the
situation around it, there would be no other way to know what the major
contributor was to it.
William
--
William E. Seiter
Have you
ssage-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:35 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: AYFKM?
>Different types of intelligence need to be measured in different ways.
>Instead of having a Non-African create the 'intelligence' test for
Africans,
&
Hello Larry??
Why are you comparing 4th and 8th grade scores?
Even if 8th grade math scores aren't as high as some other countries
we're still higher then James' country.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/oer/nac/documents/Gathering_Storm.pdf
Scroll to PDF page 72:
HOW IS AMERICA DOING NOW IN SCIENC
You must think that's an easy way out. Sounds like something they'd
teach in Klan school.
Only a true racist would ask for proof that he's not the superior race.
On 10/27/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > Woa, there's nothing sadder than a racist flaunting his stupidity.
> Dana wrote:
> about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
> really saying there is no such thing as cultural bias in an IQ test?
>
What I'm saying makes much more sense:
(1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
(2.) We can create taxonomies to describe ge
> Gel wrote:
> How do we know he's wrong that White people are not smarter than black
> people, is what you are asking.
>
Yup. Or vice versa.
If there are whole groups of people that share common traits like hair
color or skin color why couldn't they share other traits like
intelligence? Becaus
> > Wow, you must think we're all morons.
> > http://www.businessweek.
> com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_827398.
> > htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story
> > The Science Education Myth
> > Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more
> > capable science and engine
>Different types of intelligence need to be measured in different ways.
>Instead of having a Non-African create the 'intelligence' test for Africans,
>they should have the African scientists create those tests.
Why? Well controlled studies have shown that there are wider differences within
so-cal
> Wow, you must think we're all morons.
> http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_827398.
> htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story
> The Science Education Myth
> Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more
> capable science and engineering grads tha
> > > really? What if I asked you about the ingredients for a tamale?
> > >
> >
> > Being that both sides of my family hail from Mosquero, NM I think I'd
> > probably pass :)
>
> How convenient. Especially when you've gone on at great length about
> your backgound of urban poverty. But fine, suppos
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