Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-13 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:57 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? yes, this is my point exactly. How much will we start losing in tax revenue if we suddenly get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants. On 8/10/07, Dana [EMAIL

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-13 Thread Loathe
What's taken back out in services at state and local level? -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:24 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Diane Rehms had a show today about this very thing. One of her guests

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-13 Thread Loathe
Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? hard to say. I think much less in welfare than people would have you believe. You cannot receive money from these programs unless you are here legally. There are definitely costs, as in my example of a truckload of illegal aliens flipping over. But I'm not sure you should

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-13 Thread Dana
? -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:24 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Diane Rehms had a show today about this very thing. One of her guests quoted the Soc. security office that stated illegals

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-13 Thread Dana
and loss Law Enforcement General Load (infrastructure, public transportation, communications, housing) I'm not so sure I'd agree. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:14 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? hard

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Dana
-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? it shouldn't be the employers place to do what? Pay the least? I missed something here surely. On 8/11/07, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it shouldn't be the employers place to do that. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Loathe
Yes I believe in minimal government intrusion, not no intrusion at all. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:19 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? so wait. I am not trying to give you a hard time here, honest

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Dana
To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? so wait. I am not trying to give you a hard time here, honest. But aren't you the one who advocates a minimum of government regulation? Or do I have you mixed up with Gruss? By the way, I have no particular agenda in terms of illegal aliens

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Loathe
- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:41 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? so why would you not be in favor of a European-Union-type model? Dana On 8/12/07, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I believe in minimal government intrusion

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Dana
: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:41 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? so why would you not be in favor of a European-Union-type model? Dana On 8/12/07, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I believe in minimal government intrusion, not no intrusion at all. -Original Message

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Loathe
To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? this is not a sine qua non. Sweden and Turkey don't have a lot in common. I am actually rather flattered by the reference to a theoretical Canadian culture though... you sweet-talker you :) hehe. Dana On 8/12/07, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Dana
-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? this is not a sine qua non. Sweden and Turkey don't have a lot in common. I am actually rather flattered by the reference to a theoretical Canadian culture though... you sweet-talker you :) hehe. Dana On 8/12/07, Loathe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Loathe
Obviously my description was over simplified, but the point remains the same. We do have distinct national cultures. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:37 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? yeah and it isn't worth

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Dana
:37 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? yeah and it isn't worth fighting over :) Side note, as a half-Irish Quebecoise who lives in the Southwestern US, I have to say that I think you underestimate the importance both of the Irish in Canada and of Native Americans in the US

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-12 Thread Larry Lyons
it shouldn't be the employers place to do what? Pay the least? I missed something here surely. Its always been the case that you get what you pay for. If you want to pay crap wages all you get is crap. ~| ColdFusion is

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Dinner
On 8/9/07, Tony wrote: the more and more i think about it, the more and more im in favor of a wall being built on our borders, cruise missiles and other defense mechanisms around our waterways, and lets use this nation to make everything we need and become self-contained. Yeah, cuz then

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Larry Lyons
Here are some real numbers: http://www.house.gov/garymiller/IllegalsCost2005.html http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Larry Lyons
I think you miss read me, I said *provided* that it's a level playing field, it's up to the counties in question to insure that it does. Larry did you forget that up until a week or so ago I lived in Fairfax County? Yes I know that. You're not there now. Besides all I thought was in Springfield

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Larry Lyons
I agree with you, if an employer is knowingly hiring illegals, or not taking the proper steps to ensure that. They should have the book thrown at them. You mean like Walmart - a couple of years ago they were subject to a series of immigration raids. In stores across 3 or 4 states the cleaning

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Larry Lyons
Hmm. I am trying a thought experiment here. I am an employer. I need oh say a janitor. I have one applicant, who has papers that appear legal, though he also does not speak English. I suspect that he may be illegal. On the other hand I have a good old boy willing to work for the same pay and whose

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Loathe
And it shouldn't be the employers place to do that. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Hmm. I am trying a thought experiment here. I am an employer. I need oh say

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Larry Lyons
I think you miss read me, I said *provided* that it's a level playing field, it's up to the counties in question to insure that it does. Larry did you forget that up until a week or so ago I lived in Fairfax County? Yes I know that. You're not there now. Besides all I thought was in

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Larry Lyons
And it shouldn't be the employers place to do that. The next question to ask is how much is the illegal willing to work for and how much is the unemployed American asking? Given that I am willing to bet that the employer will hire the one who gets paid the least. So in other words you have no

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Loathe
: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:20 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? And it shouldn't be the employers place to do that. The next question to ask is how much is the illegal willing to work for and how much is the unemployed American

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Dana
I said willing to work for the same pay. Yes, the cost of labor is part of this though. On 8/11/07, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. I am trying a thought experiment here. I am an employer. I need oh say a janitor. I have one applicant, who has papers that appear legal, though he also

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Dana
, 2007 12:30 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Hmm. I am trying a thought experiment here. I am an employer. I need oh say a janitor. I have one applicant, who has papers that appear legal, though he also does not speak English. I suspect that he may be illegal. On the other hand

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Dana
Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:57 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? yes, this is my point exactly. How much will we start losing in tax revenue if we suddenly get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-11 Thread Loathe
Not pay the least at the cost of the law. No. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:05 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? it shouldn't be the employers place to do what? Pay the least? I missed something here surely

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:43 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? well let's see. They did NOT build a wall. Or microchip anyone, for god's sake. Dana On 8/9/07, Scott Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:54 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? You forgot one thing here. It was built by legal immigrants or colonist

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Tony
Raleigh, NC. 27616 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:11 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? It's still invasive and it's still

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
-Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:11 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? It's still invasive and it's still against their will. On 8/10/07, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Putting a chip in someone is not surgery. When

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
It's still invasive and it's still against their will. On 8/10/07, Bruce Sorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Putting a chip in someone is not surgery. When we had our dogs done, it was like giving them a shot. It took a few seconds to get it done. Not sure about the process of taking it out, but I

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:43 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? well let's

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
-Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:42 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? the difference is that sex offenders have been convicted of a heinous crime. That might almost be defensible. You are seriously proposing

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:45 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? microchip

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Paul Ihrig
all i know is that rascism or eyeing any one other in any way is wrong. dont give a crap if your arabic, indie, or whitie.. male or female. ghey or straight. every one needs to be assesd in the same open way imo. then again ftw..

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada#Illegal_immigration_in_Canada Just for curiosity's sake how do Canada and European countries handle the same problem? ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:54 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Canada#Illegal_immigration_in_Ca nada Just for curiosity's sake how do Canada and European countries handle the same problem

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the money I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards them and the fucking war in iraq. I'd like to see some real numbers on that. All I've ever heard so far is nativist rhetoric about the evil illegal immigrants

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
What's the penalty for being an illegal in Canada? You're kicked out once all legal appeals are exhausted. the following gives a bit of information on it, http://ezinearticles.com/?Illegal-Immigration-to-Canadaid=410286 but that said, I tried searching the Canadian government web site

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread G Money
and take our jebs... On 8/10/07, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the money I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards them and the fucking war in iraq. I'd like to see some real numbers on

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the money I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards them and the fucking war in iraq. I'd like to see some real numbers on that. All I've ever heard so far is nativist

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
My big problem, is that there are 12 million illegals in the country, they use resources (clinics, schools, welfare, etc) intended for tax paying citizens, without paying into the system. So their getting a free ride. There are two counties in Virginia, Prince William and Loudon that have enacted

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Loathe
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:00 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the money I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards them and the fucking war in iraq. I'd like to see

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Loathe
Take our jerrrbbbsss -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:20 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? and take our jebs... On 8/10/07, Larry Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah, the crime rate

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Larry Lyons
Until recently all I was ever hearing about was the illegal workers were getting busted by immigration. Very rarely were the employers hit. And when they were they would claim the illegals were working for a contractor etc. and get off scot free. Frankly I think that whenever someone gets

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:00 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the money I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards them and the fucking war in iraq

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
, NC. 27616 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:32 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? My big problem, is that there are 12 million

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce Sorge
Here are some real numbers: http://www.house.gov/garymiller/IllegalsCost2005.html http://www.urban.org/publications/410366.html http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:38 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Until recently all I was ever hearing about was the illegal workers were getting busted by immigration. Very

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Scott Stewart
PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? I would be curious as to how many of the 12 million illegals actually do pay taxes. I was talking with a guy the other day and he told me that all of his workers had given him socials, but he was pretty

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Bruce Sorge
Putting a chip in someone is not surgery. When we had our dogs done, it was like giving them a shot. It took a few seconds to get it done. Not sure about the process of taking it out, but I am sure that too would be nothing. A small incision to remove the chip and a band-aid at worst. I say do it.

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Loathe
That is true for some places, but think of the amount of under the table undocumented work being done as well. -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? I would be curious

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Paul Ihrig
it comes down to this.. fist fight - no weapons.. in the school yrd at 4:45 pm no weapons! ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki.

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? nah, the crime rate, the illegals who populate our jails, and the money I FUCKING SPEND ON IT with my $1000 a paycheck that goes towards them and the fucking war in iraq. I'd like to see some real numbers on that. All I've ever heard so far

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? I would be curious as to how many of the 12 million illegals

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
I don't know about you Larry, but I have *never* been stopped and asked for proof of legal status. I've had to demonstrate it when crossing the border or applying for a job, but never ever otherwise. And mind you I live in an area where there are Border Patrol checkpoints. I am always waved

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Paul Ihrig
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RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Loathe
. If politicians wanted to make it more difficult they could They don't. -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:38 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Until recently all I was ever hearing about was the illegal workers

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread William Bowen
I think that his point was that it's not white-folk that have to worry. :-\ -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Check out the new features and

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
if you mean Larry then I think so too and I am agreeing with him. On 8/10/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that his point was that it's not white-folk that have to worry. :-\ -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable.

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? I would be curious as to how many of the 12 million illegals actually do pay taxes. I was talking with a guy the other day and he told me that all of his

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Loathe
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:57 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? yes, this is my point exactly. How much will we start losing in tax revenue if we suddenly get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants. On 8/10/07, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes perhaps

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Dana
-Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:52 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? I would be curious as to how many of the 12 million illegals actually do pay taxes. I was talking with a guy the other

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-10 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
of American's unemployed would go down. More tax income, and less government spending on welfare and social programs. -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:57 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? yes

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Russel Madere
atually where I'm at they either speak spanish or vietnamese. go take a drive to the convenience store of your choice, and tell me who is running the register... ~| Check out the new features and enhancements in the latest

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Tony
come to dc come to maryland come to the east coast. its unreal. On 8/9/07, Russel Madere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: atually where I'm at they either speak spanish or vietnamese. go take a drive to the convenience store of your choice, and tell me who is running the register...

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Sorge
Same here for California. I see more Indian than anything else. Bruce -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:52 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Gas Station Jihad? They're Indian, and African American in Raleigh. I really haven't seen anyone of Arab

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Scott Stewart
Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:46 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? come to dc come to maryland come to the east coast. its unreal. On 8/9/07, Russel Madere [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: atually where I'm at they either speak

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Jim Davis
go take a drive to the convenience store of your choice, and tell me who is running the register... In Boston it's all guys like me from 15 years ago. (Namely either college students or guys who dropped out of college but are still waiting for their girlfriends to finish.) Either that or

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
y'all won't be laughing at me as I drive my homemade biodiesel powered truck down the road then would you On 8/9/07, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i crazy to think about this... imagine a national jihad. you send little sleeper cells into the fabric of america. slowly they gobble up

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Crow T. Robot
You have a homemade truck? Freakin sweet! On 8/9/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: y'all won't be laughing at me as I drive my homemade biodiesel powered truck down the road then would you On 8/9/07, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: am i crazy to think about this...

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
And yes, we will be laughing at you. Right before we ask you for a ride. On 8/9/07, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have a homemade truck? Freakin sweet! On 8/9/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: y'all won't be laughing at me as I drive my homemade biodiesel powered

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
let me parenthesize this: y'all won't be laughing at me as I drive my (homemade biodiesel) powered truck down the road then would you On 8/9/07, Crow T. Robot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have a homemade truck? Freakin sweet! On 8/9/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Sorge
This looks like a lot of work and seems dangerous: *CAUTION*: Wear proper protective gloves, apron, and eye protection and do not inhale any vapors. Methanol can cause blindness and death, and you don't even have to drink it, it's absorbed through the skin. Sodium hydroxide can cause severe burns

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I'm still working on piecing together my processor, but the club I belong to has a lot of people successfully churning out enough BD to power their vehicles. Most of them produce it on the weekend and the whole process takes about 5 hours, but you only have to watch it for a fraction of that

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Justin Scott
am i crazy? Crazy, no. Paranoid, yes. Turn off the 24/7 infotainment news for a week and take a vacation away from the zoo that is the northeast. :) -Justin ~| ColdFusion 8 - Build next generation apps today, with easy PDF

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Sorge
OK, so my next question is, how hard is it on the engine over the long haul? My truck has 103K miles on it, has NO leaks, seeps or anything (except a tear in the leather), and runs like a champ. I plan on keeping it for another 10 years. I am getting ready to tweak the computer to put out more

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Crow T. Robot
Be prepared to change your fuel filter. Possibly several times. From what I have read, BD has a more solvent-y (cool made up word, eh?) effect than regular diesel. Therefore, all the sludgy buildup over 100K+ miles is going to get cleaned out of all your lines and end up in your filter. But

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
it's usually better on the engine than petro-diesel. It has a higher lubricity to it. As a matter of fact, they're using nowadays for an additive to low sulfur diesel to raise the lubricity. Secondly, it will clean all...and I mean ALL...the gunk out of your lines. Normally my fuel filters get

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Larry Lyons
am i crazy to think about this... Big problem with this is that the more people, the more its likely to be discovered. Anyhow thanks for fueling the anti-immigrant hysteria. Its making immigrants like myself very nervous about this country and living in it. So what are we to do, attack every

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
This would make it so much easier on me :) http://www.www.autobloggreen.com/2007/08/08/make-your-own-biodiesel-at-home/ On 8/9/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it's usually better on the engine than petro-diesel. It has a higher lubricity to it. As a matter of fact, they're

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Jerry Johnson
Larry, I think it is a perfectly valid question. It should get asked. It gets asked in every other country (you want to try to sell US produce in Quebec, machinery or electronics in Japan, or anything in China?), why not here? The difference in the US is that the general consensus is to live and

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Scott Stewart
-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:23 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? am i crazy to think about this... Big problem

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Tony
the more and more i think about it, the more and more im in favor of a wall being built on our borders, cruise missiles and other defense mechanisms around our waterways, and lets use this nation to make everything we need and become self-contained. it sucks, but im getting closer to wanting this

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Scott Stewart
ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:06 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread William Bowen
nice. The nation founded by immigrants, built on immigrant labor, should not just close, but wall up its borders? *That* is insane. Tony, turn off 24, turn off CNN, go outside and play golf for a while. Oh, and when you do don't forget to tip Hector your caddy. or Miguel your greensman. ;-)

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Justin Scott
the more and more i think about it, the more and more im in favor of a wall being built on our borders, cruise missiles and other defense mechanisms around our waterways, and lets use this nation to make everything we need and become self-contained. Personally, my belief is that if we (as a

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Russel Madere
You forgot one thing here. It was built by legal immigrants or colonist. The nation founded by immigrants, built on immigrant labor, should not just close, but wall up its borders? Only if they speak english. And here in Louisiana they are more likely to be John or Charles and are going to

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Tony
my theory is this. if you are here, you are here, we cant do shit about it, get a job, get a ss#, pay taxes (ease my payments a bit) and stay out of jail. one mistake and you are round up and GONZO. i bet that would work. tw

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Tony
On 8/9/07, William Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nation founded by immigrants, built on immigrant labor, should not just close, but wall up its borders? at this point, yes. take a breather, and then deliver some REAL ways of handling the mass exodus to our nation. *That* is insane.

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Loathe
Agreed. The older I get the more isolationist I become. -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:06 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? the more and more i think about it, the more and more im in favor of a wall being

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Bruce Sorge
I like the idea of re-enforcing our borders, and while we are at it, enforcing our current border policies. Perhaps we do not totally shut the border down, but rather be super selective on who we bring in via ports of entry in a few places. If you have a criminal background, have no prospects of a

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread G Money
Unfortunately, America's prosperity can be attributed in large part to our embracing of a global economy. Part of that is ensuring that American economic interests are protected around the worldalso knowns as meddling in the affairs of other countries. We can't rejoice in the prosperity of

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Larry Lyons
Uhmmm.. Larry, you've got about as much chance of being mistaken for a terrorist as I do. Unless there's some Canadian terrorist movement that wants to take back maple syrup and Labatts? So are you saying that the US should persecute some immigrant groups because skin colour? I see no

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Tony
if all terrorists from a particular area of the world have purple skin, and we can undoubtedly identify them, fuck yeah, why not? the goal isnt to expel people who PRODUCE for our country, its to get rid of the cocksmokers that come here, fuck with our people, clog our jails, just because our

RE: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Scott Stewart
4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (703) 220-2835 http://www.sstwebworks.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sstwebworks -Original Message- From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:40 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Uhmmm.. Larry

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread Tony
, 2007 4:40 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Gas Station Jihad? Uhmmm.. Larry, you've got about as much chance of being mistaken for a terrorist as I do. Unless there's some Canadian terrorist movement that wants to take back maple syrup and Labatts? So are you saying that the US should

Re: Gas Station Jihad?

2007-08-09 Thread William Bowen
if all terrorists from a particular area of the world have purple skin, and we can undoubtedly identify them, fuck yeah, why not? If all terrorists have purple skin, does conversely that mean all purple-skinned people are terrorists? Should they be treated as such because of the unfortunate

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