RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-25 Thread Adam Churvis
CTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 11:07 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > > Adam wrote: > > very rare case -- a pure fluke, if you're familiar with holsters and > their > > wear and tear), then the owner would have a case agains

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > very rare case -- a pure fluke, if you're familiar with holsters and their > wear and tear), then the owner would have a case against the holster > manufacturer. > Is there some law that supersedes "the theory of strict liability" in that case then? As far as I know, the consum

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-25 Thread Adam Churvis
rvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:12 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > > Adam wrote: > > Now ask yourself, At what point does the own

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > Now ask yourself, At what point does the owner's loss of his gun cease to > make him culpable? I realize these types of issues can be controversial (as seen in other threads), but ... what the hell ... There seem to be 2 issues here (I could be wrong): 1.) product liability, an

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-24 Thread Adam Churvis
> I'm wary of stuff that puts the onus of responsibility on people that > aren't > directly responsible. > > The person who shot the other person is to blame, not some chain of > events > that led up to whatever occurred. > > If it's the chain of events, see, there's potentially never an end to >

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-24 Thread denstar
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Adam Churvis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Denny, > > The gun owner pays the transfer tax, not the dealer. The gun owner takes > complete responsibility for his gun, his actions, and just as importantly > his inactions (like not securing his guns against easy thef

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-24 Thread Adam Churvis
> -Original Message- > From: denstar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 4:58 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > I'm thinking widespread change like you're after is more a societal > deal than a legal deal. >

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-24 Thread denstar
I'm thinking widespread change like you're after is more a societal deal than a legal deal. Laws have their place, but with a flawed legal system, I'm hesitant to rely on them so heavily. My dad's got a great story about how a "voluntary" boat registration became a required boat tax... Why not

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > We're all going to have to compromise, but hopefully this way still gives > everyone the crux of what they're truly desire: a truly significant > reduction or near elimination of illegal guns You should really take this to a policy institute and/or start your own. This is exact

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-22 Thread Adam Churvis
CTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:51 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Adam Churvis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What do you all think of these ideas? Are we getting somewhere? >

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-22 Thread denstar
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you all think of these ideas? Are we getting somewhere? Could this > actually fly? You know what's funny? After the "go to their homes, and kill them" comment, I'm wondering if registration is even such a

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Loathe
Could this > actually fly? > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > President > Productivity Enhancement > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:03 AM >> To: CF-Communi

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > You just said you knew it's what the framers intended, so how would it > not be legislating around the amendment? > Here's the deal: this whole thing was brought on by the Cato Institute and a sweeping ruling by a lower court that scared even the Bush Administration. Now that's

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > What do you all think of these ideas? Are we getting somewhere? Could this > actually fly? > I think it's fecking awesome and EXACTLY what's needed: regulation without undue prohibition. I think you'd get broad support; tBone's a purist, so maybe not him, but you could sleep w

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Adam Churvis
ivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:03 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Right To Bear Arms > > I have always thought that the intention of the Second Amendment was > three-fold:

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Loathe
You just said you knew it's what the framers intended, so how would it not be legislating around the amendment? Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> If we make it ok to legislate around the 2nd, whats to stop them doing >> the same for the 1st, 4th, 5th or any others? >> > > Implicit in your st

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > If we make it ok to legislate around the 2nd, whats to stop them doing > the same for the 1st, 4th, 5th or any others? > Implicit in your statement is that we would be legislating around it - and I get that that's your opinion. The problem is that not everyone agrees with you an

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Bill Wheatley
nor do they harbor ill will toward > people. > If they did, they would be in therapy and not allowed around firearms. > > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > President > Productivity Enhancement > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jer

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Loathe
If we make it ok to legislate around the 2nd, whats to stop them doing the same for the 1st, 4th, 5th or any others? Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> nation require. You just happen to know that no amendment changing the >> 2nd would pass. >> > > True dat. Which is why I like Adam's Stat

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > nation require. You just happen to know that no amendment changing the > 2nd would pass. > True dat. Which is why I like Adam's State Waiver solution. It provides a level of regulation I think is needed without being overly punitive to gun rights. I'm a gun owner and I want

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Loathe
But then we wind up with NY and California not allowing it and AZ saying do what you want. Wouldn't the 10th and 15th amendments prohibit that? Or should we just do away with the constitution, and legislate as we see fit? Gruss Gott wrote: >> Adam wrote: >> I have always thought that the inten

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Loathe
o own even the most powerful of weapons. > > What do you all think of this? > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > President > Productivity Enhancement > >> -Original Message- >> From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, Mar

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Loathe
We have an amendment process. Look not following the amendment process is what has led to the bloat we have in government today. The government shouldn't be able to simply legislate away our rights, or legislate on issues that aren't in their purview. Why do we have a deficit? The federal go

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Adam Churvis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have always thought that the intention of the Second Amendment was > three-fold: to establish that the states needed their own militia, that > the > citizens were that militia, and that *both* the states' militia and the

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > It's a piece of genius - anything to get the power our of the federal > gov't, but I think your solution definitely meets the 80/20 rule > overall. > Plus it elevates the dialog from gun/no-gun (positional) to what we can agree and act on (principled). ~~~

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > I have always thought that the intention of the Second Amendment was > three-fold: to establish that the states needed their own militia, that the > citizens were that militia, and that *both* the states' militia and the > individuals making up those militia had the right to keep

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Adam Churvis
Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 8:04 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > You're wrong man. I think you eve

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> GG wrote: > both ensures morons don't have guns and our state's rights to organize > and defend ourselves against the federal gov't. > And as for the argument that an individual needs guns to fight to the man, well if that's the state of affairs in America then we've failed to maintain the spi

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > You're wrong man. I think you even know thats not what the framers > intended. The problem with that argument to me is: (1.) Who the feck cares what the framers intended? They're dead. Sure, they were smart people, but they also expected us to take a little responsibility and

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Billy Cox
If someone gets $100,000 worth of education and can't get anything paying more than $20,000, they obviously didn't pay attention in class. -Original Message- From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:24 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Rig

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-21 Thread Loathe
You're wrong man. I think you even know thats not what the framers intended. It's too damned easy to read what those guys had to say on the issue and see they meant it to be an individual right, that they really did mean there should be no laws on arms. Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> Th

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> JJ wrote: > If he is on his property, then he shouldn't need a license, and then it just > might be a case of cross-generational Darwin Award qualification. > Hmmm... http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0318083forehead1.html ~~~

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Jerry Johnson
That is not some guy, that is a HUNTER, which I agree should require some basic training and proof of non-moronship. That is a guy with a gun shooting it outside of his property or a range. He needs a hunting license and a clue. If he is on his property, then he shouldn't need a license, and the

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > The states pussed out on speed limits, no denying that one. lol > Have you listened to the supreme court opening debates yet? Oh, yeah, they might do it, but here's my gun bitch: A few years back some dude shot his son in the chest because he "thought he was a bear" despite the

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Bruce Sorge
Yeah, I would like to see some of the stupid laws in California get repealed. Like having to put a concealable weapon in a locked container and ensuring it is not loaded, or when transporting a non-concealable weapon, it has to be unloaded.Or only having a fixed capacity of five rounds for a s

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
The states pussed out on speed limits, no denying that one. Have you listened to the supreme court opening debates yet? They are on C-Span. Quite honestly, I'm hopeful to see more than just the DC handgun ban struck down here or in the near future. We need to do it quick before some of these

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > Whats this France thing with you lately, you want us to emulate a > socialist country now? > Naw, it just seems that if you toss out "like France" into any contentious discussion someone freaks out. As for gun rights, my thought is that we either regulate them like we do driving

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Casey Dougall
On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why do many of the multiple shootings I can think of all have "college > graduate" after their names? Because kids are thrown straight into college from high school. They never learned how to become an active citizen in

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Jerry Johnson
Put down the cast iron muffin pan... oh never mind. Yes, i was kidding. Mostly. I would be very, very nice to those women. More because they are women than because they are armed. To be fair, there ARE some people that I am wary of, because they just _might_ have a gun back in the truck. That is

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Adam Churvis
Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:55 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > Not a requirement, but you better say they are hawt, regardless. > > The

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Jerry Johnson
Why do many of the multiple shootings I can think of all have "college graduate" after their names? And most of the high-school age shooters have parents with degrees? I shouldn't even mention the Unibomber or the 9/11 hijackers On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
Whats this France thing with you lately, you want us to emulate a socialist country now? How the mighty have fallen. Gruss Gott wrote: >> Bill wrote: >> HAHAHA so a college degree makes people more capable of using a weapon >> sensibly so they don't need a license? >> >> LMAO let me get up off

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
Speed limits are a state issue. Plus you know I would. Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> You really need to relabel you're self a democrat and be done with it. >> > > Just FYI, the Democrats are the original gun rights advocates due to > the Farmer-Laborer base. It wasn't until the 70s that

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Bill wrote: > HAHAHA so a college degree makes people more capable of using a weapon > sensibly so they don't need a license? > > LMAO let me get up off the floor and turn my BS detector off. > Nope, it's simply a quality filter that's empirically proven. And I'm not saying it's used in place

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> tBone wrote: > You really need to relabel you're self a democrat and be done with it. > Just FYI, the Democrats are the original gun rights advocates due to the Farmer-Laborer base. It wasn't until the 70s that they started advocating gun bans. As to guns rights, if you're saying arms should

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
1. While some police forces require either an associates OR military service, the majority do not. May don't even require a high school diploma. For a while before I got into coding on a serious level that was going to be my post military job. I have a GED and a minor criminal history and i

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Jerry Johnson
Not a requirement, but you better say they are hawt, regardless. They have guns! On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Adam Churvis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The girls that qualified for Bejing are also pretty hawt :) > > Not a requirement, of course. ;) > ~~~

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Adam Churvis
> I don't know about Raleigh, but in Fairfax County, even the beat cops > had to > have at least an associate's degree in criminal justice. Guns and an AD are two separate job requirements, not a natural association, so there is no direct correlation between them. > All commissioned military offi

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Scott Stewart
y Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:49 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Right To Bear Arms Some of the best shooters I have ever known have never been to college,

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Adam Churvis
ssage- > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:30 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > HAHAHA so a college degree makes people more capable of using a weapon > sensibly so they don't need a license? >

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
bravo! On 3/20/08, Adam Churvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Adam wrote: > > > 5) There are times when a private citizen truly needs machine guns > > to > > > > Don't you find it ironic that your example of "needing machine guns" > > is to protect those same machine guns? > > > No, not at a

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
HAHAHA so a college degree makes people more capable of using a weapon sensibly so they don't need a license? LMAO let me get up off the floor and turn my BS detector off. On 3/20/08, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Adam wrote: > > 5) There are times when a private citizen truly need

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
hahahahah - from one of the "other" type Adam Churvis wrote: >>> Adam wrote: >>> 5) There are times when a private citizen truly needs machine guns >> to >> >> Don't you find it ironic that your example of "needing machine guns" >> is to protect those same machine guns? > > No, not at all. It

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Billy Cox
Curious... What is the 'anti-science' plank in the Republican platform? -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 10:25 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms Unfortunately, its not the only plank in eithe

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Adam Churvis
> > Adam wrote: > > 5) There are times when a private citizen truly needs machine guns > to > > Don't you find it ironic that your example of "needing machine guns" > is to protect those same machine guns? No, not at all. It was valuable business property, and he was the owner of the business.

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Jerry Johnson
Unfortunately, its not the only plank in either platform, and is often seen as the least important plank (from a protection standpoint, since many people think it is the least likely to be effectively eroded) Just the anti-science plank for the Republican party moves it out of reach for most peopl

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
I meant from libertarian, never new gruss to be a repub. Also, they shouldn't be democrats then. Even though many ignore the parties planks the democrats is specifically pro-gun control, and the republicans specifically against it. Jerry Johnson wrote: > I hope that was a joke. > > I don't se

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Jerry Johnson
I hope that was a joke. I don't see that gun ownership is a Republican/Democrat issue. It is more an urban/suburban/rural issue (which, despite the talking heads' attempts to convince us it does, does not track R/D) Most Democrats I know who own guns are as rabid or more so than similar Republica

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
The you are all for violating the intent of the right, both as stands to the individual being able to provide their own weapons for militia duty, and as to the establishment of NO laws regarding private ownership of arms. You really need to relabel you're self a democrat and be done with it. Gr

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Loathe
Good stuff. Did you listen to the opening arguments yesterday? Sounds like the court is going to come down on the individual right side, and from the questions they were asking sounds like class 3 laws might even get the chop. Adam Churvis wrote: > Just so everyone understands how it works: >

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > 5) There are times when a private citizen truly needs machine guns to Don't you find it ironic that your example of "needing machine guns" is to protect those same machine guns? I'm all for gun rights, but I'm in the licensing camp meaning that I don't think anyone should be able

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Adam Churvis
; there may be additional restrictions. I'll call my guys at ATF and ask and then let you know. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:26 AM >

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
Empire by Orson Scott Card is a very good book. On 3/19/08, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Adam... > > Take the number of people that may know 1/4 of what you just said, and > how to do it. > now take the US Armed Forces. Battle hardened...ready...fully > equipped. It's completely a pipedrea

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
Thats the 2nd time someone has said Rocket launch which is hyperbole. It says people in the 2nd amendment so the people need to be able to bear arms to be able to resist oppression. Militias (national guard) are something that the Federal govt can nationalize when it wants so the only thing left in

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Larry Lyons
it was a bad movie that became more dated over time. It would be even scarier with that remake you made. >Has it been that many years since you last saw Patrick Swayze, Jennifer >Grey, Charlie Sheen and Lea Thompson on horseback doing that very thing? > >Cmon, people, if you forget your bad 80s

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread William Bowen
> But remember, the head Russian backed Mexican soldier turned out to be a > good guy because he let Patrick Swayze live to carry his dead brother > awayor...something like that.*shrug* He let them go because they reminded him of his own struggles as a Revolutionary. And then they froz

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Jerry Johnson
Like reading the news without a sense of the absurd. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Adam Churvis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are a number of things far worse than death. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mo

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Bruce Sorge
LMAO!! Jerry Johnson wrote: > I think the pc term is "really southern Floridians who haven't moved yet" > > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the m

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Bruce Sorge
Cubans and Mexicans. Movie Quote: Col Andy Tanner: "Yeah, that's right. Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. ..." Loathe wrote: > Cubans man, they were cuban ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is th

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
n't let oppressors have a free hand. There are a number of things far worse than death. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:34 PM > To:

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread G Money
Here we go: "Yeah. That's right. Infiltrators came up illegal from Mexico. Cubans mostly. They managed to infiltrate SAC bases in the Midwest, several down in Texas and wreaked a helluva lot of havoc, I'm here to tell you. They opened up the door down here, and the whole Cuban & Nicaraguan armies

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread G Money
wrote: > >> > >>> Red Dawn...best propaganda flick of the 80's. Evil Russkies gunning > down > >>> unarmed schoolchildren...oh, the memories. > >>> > >>> Just for the record, the characters in the movie were just tryi

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Jerry Johnson
I think the pc term is "really southern Floridians who haven't moved yet" On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cubans man, they were cubans > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most impo

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Jerry Johnson
The bat-guano crazy peeps don't worry me so much with gun ownership. It is a problem, but not the main one. The number of gun deaths to these incidents, while splashy in the media, and painful to the survivors, is just not that big a societal deal, imho. No more so than a crazy person driving ful

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Loathe
AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: RE: Right To Bear Arms >> >> Anyone or anything that desires to infringe upon his rights by force, >> and in >> the case of a government, by fraud as well. > > Maybe this is the beginning of an answer (and I'm guessing

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Loathe
>>> Red Dawn...best propaganda flick of the 80's. Evil Russkies gunning down >>> unarmed schoolchildren...oh, the memories. >>> >>> Just for the record, the characters in the movie were just trying to >>> survive, not overthrow the government. >>> >

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:24 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Right To Bear Arms > > Anyone or anything that desires to infringe upon his rights by force, > and in > the case o

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread G Money
s. > > > > Just for the record, the characters in the movie were just trying to > > survive, not overthrow the government. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Jerry Johnson
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:11 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > > Has it been that many years since you last saw Patrick Swayze, Jennifer > Grey, Charlie Sheen and Lea Thompson on horseback doing that very thing? >

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Billy Cox
EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:11 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms Has it been that many years since you last saw Patrick Swayze, Jennifer Grey, Charlie Sheen and Lea Thompson on horseback doing that very thing? Cmon, people, if you forget your bad 80s fake hi

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Bruce Sorge
And, there was a major scene that was deleted. A tank rolling up to a McDonald's restaurant where enemy soldiers were eating. It is assumed that the reason was that a few weeks before the release, there was a mass murder in a McDonald's in San Ysidro, Ca. Bruce Adam Churvis wrote: > Oh! Inte

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
gt; Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > Yeah he was in there. > > Also, Those are russian/soviet Hind helicopters. > > G Money wrote: > > Wasn't Emilio Estevez in there somewhereor did he miss out on Red > Dawn? > > > > I loved that movie because of t

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
n [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:11 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > Has it been that many years since you last saw Patrick Swayze, Jennifer > Grey, Charlie Sheen and Lea Thompson on horseback doing that very > thing

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
10:31 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Right To Bear Arms > > But in all seriousness, does anyone really think that the United States > Government could be overthrown by force? There's a better chance of > that > kind of change happening politically.. >

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
> From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:26 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > Adam... > > Take the number of people that may know 1/4 of what you just said, and > how to do it. > now take the US Armed Fo

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Loathe
You know what I think you're right it was charlie. Bruce Sorge wrote: > He was not in it. Only his brother. > > > Bruce > > G Money wrote: >> Wasn't Emilio Estevez in there somewhereor did he miss out on Red Dawn? >> >> I loved that movie because of the opening sequence with the paratrooper

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Loathe
Yeah he was in there. Also, Those are russian/soviet Hind helicopters. G Money wrote: > Wasn't Emilio Estevez in there somewhereor did he miss out on Red Dawn? > > I loved that movie because of the opening sequence with the paratroopers > (just eerie the thought of looking out your school wi

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Loathe
Don't even think such a thing, you know someone has already floated the idea I'm sure. Christ I've seen far too many childhood movies and shows destroyed already, please not red dawn. Jerry Johnson wrote: > Has it been that many years since you last saw Patrick Swayze, Jennifer > Grey, Charlie

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Loathe
There are many people in this country that think that was a terrible and unconstitutional idea. C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: >> But in all seriousness, does anyone really think that the United States >> Government could be overthrown by force? There's a better chance of that >> kind of change happ

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Bruce Sorge
He was not in it. Only his brother. Bruce G Money wrote: > Wasn't Emilio Estevez in there somewhereor did he miss out on Red Dawn? > > I loved that movie because of the opening sequence with the paratroopers > (just eerie the thought of looking out your school window and seeing that) > and b

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread G Money
Wasn't Emilio Estevez in there somewhereor did he miss out on Red Dawn? I loved that movie because of the opening sequence with the paratroopers (just eerie the thought of looking out your school window and seeing that) and because of the fixed wing helicopters. On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 10:11

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Cmon, people, if you forget your bad 80s fake history, you are bound to > repeat it. Or worse, have it remade starring the Raven, the kid from Home > Alone 3, and Mylie Cyrus. (*twitch*) ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Jerry Johnson
Has it been that many years since you last saw Patrick Swayze, Jennifer Grey, Charlie Sheen and Lea Thompson on horseback doing that very thing? Cmon, people, if you forget your bad 80s fake history, you are bound to repeat it. Or worse, have it remade starring the Raven, the kid from Home Alone 3

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> But in all seriousness, does anyone really think that the United States > Government could be overthrown by force? There's a better chance of that > kind of change happening politically.. Isn't that kinda what's happened since "the Great Society" started? Look at how much has changed even in t

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Scott Stewart
(home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) -Original Message- From: Adam Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:24 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Right To Bear Arms Anyone or anything that desires to infringe upon his rights by force, and in the case of a government, by fra

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Vivec
Adam... Take the number of people that may know 1/4 of what you just said, and how to do it. now take the US Armed Forces. Battle hardened...ready...fully equipped. It's completely a pipedream and nothing more than ideological philosophy to think that the Citizens could 'take back' their country a

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
March 19, 2008 9:39 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > Not to be tread upon by whom...someone else with a gun? > > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Adam Churvis < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > These skills, and his will to not be tre

Re: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread G Money
Not to be tread upon by whom...someone else with a gun? On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Adam Churvis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > These skills, and his will to not be tread upon, and > I feel like I've done a well-rounded job of raising him. > > Respectfully, > > Adam Phillip Churvis > Presiden

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
; -Original Message- > From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 7:04 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > > Which is nothing more than a pipe dream no matter how many weapons you > have. > Unless you want to be able to buy T

RE: Right To Bear Arms

2008-03-19 Thread Adam Churvis
well-rounded job of raising him. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis President Productivity Enhancement > -Original Message- > From: Loathe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:15 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Right To Bear Arms > &g

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