Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-24 Thread Sam
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 4:21 AM, denstar wrote: >> Not. I said the same guy probably listens in with warrants and >> without. If you trust him not to blackmail with a warrant then you >> should trust him without. > Why? With a warrant you have documentation that X listened to Y. Only if you wan

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-18 Thread denstar
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, denstar wrote: ... >> It *looks* like only the data mining got thrown out. > > You didn't read it, you guessed. > http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions.pdf/07a0253p-06.pdf More wishful thinking, than guessing. I saw

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-11 Thread Sam
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:33 AM, denstar wrote: >>> If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed.  The rest >>> stood.  Right? >> >> Probably didn't, read it again and let me know. > > It *looks* like only the data mining got thrown out. You didn't read it, you guessed. http://www

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-07 Thread denstar
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, denstar wrote: > >>> Read it. It was overturned. >> >> If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed.  The rest >> stood.  Right? > > Probably didn't, read it again and let me know. It *looks* like only t

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-07 Thread Sam
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, denstar wrote: >> Read it. It was overturned. > > If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed.  The rest > stood.  Right? Probably didn't, read it again and let me know. > Do you believe in coincidence?  Belafonte was "just" talking about > Bobby

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-06 Thread denstar
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:56 PM, denstar > >> http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/acluvnsaop081706.pdf >> Let me know what you think. > > Read it. It was overturned. If I read it right only the data-mining stuff was dismissed. The rest stood. Rig

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread G Money
t; > I think he sold his soul and then later had major regrets and resigned. > > > > Eric > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:18 PM > > To: cf-community >

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Medic
t; Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:18 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay > penalties instead > > > ... because we all know how easy it would be to stand up to the most > powerful man on planet earth. > > This is

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Roberts
I think he sold his soul and then later had major regrets and resigned. Eric -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:18 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Medic
7:57 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay > penalties instead > > > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > Powell not resigning and going b

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread Eric Roberts
e for them. Eric -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:57 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Eric Roberts

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-02 Thread G Money
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Powell not resigning and going before the UN and lying his ass off made me > lose all respect for a once honorable soldier. He betrayed his oath. > You think he knew he was lying? If so, why would the "o

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread Sam
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:56 PM, denstar > http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/fisa/acluvnsaop081706.pdf > Let me know what you think. Read it. It was overturned. >> I think they had a warrant for MLK. > > So it was legal, according to your logic.  Heck, even without a > warrant.  It's the same pe

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread denstar
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Powell not resigning and going before the UN and lying his ass off made me > lose all respect for a once honorable soldier.  He betrayed his oath. Reminds me of the Belafonte interview: http://www.blackcommentator.com/14_belafonte.html I d

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread Eric Roberts
: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, denstar wrote: > >> Then we grow up, become indoctrinated in our politics, and are all >> like -- at least polit

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-06-01 Thread denstar
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, denstar wrote: > >> Then we grow up, become indoctrinated in our politics, and are all >> like -- at least politically, mind -- those Palestinian and Israeli >> kids, when they "grew up". > > You do realize you were t

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-31 Thread Sam
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 3:17 AM, denstar wrote: > Then we grow up, become indoctrinated in our politics, and are all > like -- at least politically, mind -- those Palestinian and Israeli > kids, when they "grew up". You do realize you were the Palestinian kid that was taught Jews make matzoh ou

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-30 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, denstar wrote: > >> At least he's given a lot of lip-service to "open government", and >> started websites and whatnot. >> >> Did Bush43 do the same thing, and I'm just being biased? > > No, Bush was honest about his

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Sam
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, denstar wrote: > At least he's given a lot of lip-service to "open government", and > started websites and whatnot. > > Did Bush43 do the same thing, and I'm just being biased? No, Bush was honest about his intentions:) > And besides that, basically you are arg

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Although both Republicans and Democrats promise the moon and then don't > deliver, they promise different moons." > > Amen. LOL! Touché. I love you, :DeN -- Here an attempt is made to explain suffering: the outcaste of traditional Hin

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Although both Republicans and Democrats promise the moon and then don't deliver, they promise different moons." Amen. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowi

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
To some extent I agree, but then we are on the same slippery slope as moral relativity. Although everything is relative, some things are relative-er. And there *are* differences between the parties. Like the abortion stuff: http://www.gjfreepress.com/article/20100528/OPINION/100529922/1062&par

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Jerry Barnes
"So this guy's arguing that "the media" at large is bitching as much about lack of access as they did during Bush43? It doesn't seem to be on that scale yet, to me." Some are. As stated before, reporters seem to be an unhappy lot. Maybe they label every administration that comes in as the most

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:37 PM, denstar wrote: > >> What do you think?  Is there a master list of how many interviews each >> has done or turned down? > > Today was his first press conference in 10 months . Is that open? At least he's given a lot o

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I see some unhappy reporters." > > No doubt.  They seem to be an unhappy lot regardless of what is going on. Some of them, yes. Everybody has an agenda. This was some great info! As for this bit: > Regardless of the facts, people want

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Maureen
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_cross21.dc697f6.html On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > It was just recently stolen...let me see if I can find the article on that. > I am thinking within the past couple of weeks... ~~~

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Eric Roberts
It was just recently stolen...let me see if I can find the article on that. I am thinking within the past couple of weeks... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:28 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Sam
The cross was stolen, then replaced. The replacement was removed by the DOJ On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > > First off...the cross was stolen, not removed by the government. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldf

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Sam
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:37 PM, denstar wrote: > What do you think?  Is there a master list of how many interviews each > has done or turned down? Today was his first press conference in 10 months . Is that open? >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/world/asia/22detain.html >> Detainees Barre

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-28 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I see some unhappy reporters." No doubt. They seem to be an unhappy lot regardless of what is going on. "I wonder if the demand has been the same with this president as with the last one?" "What do you think? Is there a master list of how many interviews each has done or turned down?" As o

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-27 Thread Eric Roberts
Correction...Abe was a WWII vet...not a Korean War Vet... http://www.paganvets.org -Original Message- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:ow...@threeravensconsulting.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 9:42 PM To: 'cf-community@houseoffusion.com' Subject: RE: Shocker: Major corporation

RE: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-27 Thread Eric Roberts
>> The DOJ just removed a WWI memorial cross from the desert because it's >> public land. Just imagine what it's going to cost to update all the >> tombstones in national cemeteries. >Interesting deal, crosses and the military. >You know about the fight to get a pagan star vs. a cross, right?

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-27 Thread denstar
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:03 PM, denstar wrote: > >> Can't we all agree that more transparency in the government is a good thing? > > See Jerry's comment. I see some unhappy reporters. I wonder if the demand has been the same with this president a

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-23 Thread Sam
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:03 PM, denstar wrote: > Can't we all agree that more transparency in the government is a good thing? See Jerry's comment. >> Where did you get that from? Who's guilty of what? > > Come on man, this is the overriding theme we've been on since Bush43 > et al spread the

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Can't we all agree that more transparency in the government is a good thing?" Damn skippy, we can. " It's more important to me that the government itself is 'open'-er than under Bush. And getting open-er." What is your criteria for 'open'-er? It's obviously not the press, because they are

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-22 Thread denstar
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:13 AM, denstar wrote: > >> Obama seems inclusive, Bush43 seemed exclusive. > > Yeah, look at how much he talks to the press :) It's more important to me that the government itself is "open"-er than under Bush. And getting

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-21 Thread Sam
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 4:13 AM, denstar wrote: > Obama seems inclusive, Bush43 seemed exclusive. Yeah, look at how much he talks to the press :) > Coupled with the push for draconian ideals such as "guilty before > innocent", that's a pretty Bad Thing. Where did you get that from? Who's guil

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-21 Thread denstar
Just warming up for my new government job: writing history books with Sam for the big bucks. :) -- If man makes himself a worm he must not complain when he is trodden on. Immanuel Kant On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Dana wrote: > > nice rant Den

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-21 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:57 PM, denstar wrote: >> >>> Do you see your bias yet or do we need to keep drilling? >> >> The problem is that the scenarios are not "equal".  Although *both* do >> Bad Things, that doesn't make them the "same". > > Keep dr

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread Sam
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:57 PM, denstar wrote: > >> Do you see your bias yet or do we need to keep drilling? > > The problem is that the scenarios are not "equal".  Although *both* do > Bad Things, that doesn't make them the "same". Keep drilling he says. > Look dude, we can *easily* /fake/ DN

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread Dana
nice rant Den On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:57 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar wrote: >> And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. He just made it evil so now it's progressively mo

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread denstar
Sam's Wile'e'er than he looks. No slouch, unless he's being lazy. My intellectual armament is "Vash the Stampede"-ish, so it's more than a bit hit and miss. :Den -- Experience without theory is blind, but theory without experience is mere intellectual play. Immanuel Kant On Wed, May 19, 20

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-20 Thread denstar
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar wrote: > >>> And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. >>> He just made it evil so now it's progressively more evil because of >>> him? >> >> It's always been Evil.  Bush43 used FUD

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Dana
As if Stupid User *could* finish a sentence let alone rebut one On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Sam wrote: > > Someone's lashing out because she was bitch-slapped by Sarah Palin. > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Sam
I do find it entertaining. We can have fun dancing around with our thoughts while the other two act like spoiled idiot children. Can't really talk logic with them, they won't have it. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 9:25 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> I'm tel

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Sam
Someone's lashing out because she was bitch-slapped by Sarah Palin. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Dana wrote: > > I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology n

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Sam
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar wrote: >> And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. >> He just made it evil so now it's progressively more evil because of >> him? > > It's always been Evil.  Bush43 used FUD to push through, or get away > with, a whole grip of

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-19 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Den, You're having a battle of intellects with an unarmed person. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 8:42 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam wrote: >> -- Larry C. Lyons web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons -- The real problem is

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Dana
it's fascinating to see its programming but... ah, as long as you aree having fun, I guess On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:25 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. >> > > Heh.  It's *all* logic. > > R

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread denstar
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Dana wrote: > > I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. > Heh. It's *all* logic. Relatively. :)p I see it sorta like dancing. There is no real goal to speak of. Well, besides feeling good and having fun. If Sam feels good and is ha

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Dana
I'm telling you Denny -- you're bringing logic to a stupid fight. On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 6:42 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar wrote: >> Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new, started with

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread denstar
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar wrote: > >>> Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new, started with >>> Bush. >> >> No.  What happened under his leadership was especially bad though. > > And now it's worse because of what h

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Dana
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar wrote: > >>> Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new, started with >>> Bush. >> >> No.  What happened under his leadership was especially bad though. > > And now it's worse because of wh

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-18 Thread Sam
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:00 PM, denstar wrote: >> Ah so you think the whole surveillance idea  thing is new, started with Bush. > > No.  What happened under his leadership was especially bad though. And now it's worse because of what he started? Which he didn't start. He just made it evil so n

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-17 Thread Dana
wrought > -- > “WHAT HATH GO ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-commu

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-17 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:37 PM, denstar wrote: > >> It's been out of control for as long as I can remember, really, 'cept >> for a time towards the end of Clinton's tenure (guess "he" robbed >> social security to do that tho?). > > You pay attention

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-17 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:56 PM, denstar wrote: > >> Like, he'd said Bush43 sucked before.  I remember.  I think it was the >> same list of things, even. > > I'm consistent. Well, there's certainly something to be said for consistency! Bravo! I'

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
I didn't claim that. I said your proof was beyond thin and expressed incredulity that you posted it in a serious discussion ;P On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > You asked for one company and I gave you dozens from the top of my > head. You then try to weasel out of conceding by fin

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Sam
You asked for one company and I gave you dozens from the top of my head. You then try to weasel out of conceding by finding a loophole with one of them. To claim the fastest growing city in America in 2007 had no expanding business except for orange pickers and nursing home attendants is pretty p

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
this from someone who cites sales literature in an discussion of macroeconomics On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Sam wrote: > > You're a joke. > > On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> what do you mean "no" -- no they don't exist? People retire there, >> Sam, at least for the wint

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Sam
You're a joke. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Dana wrote: > > what do you mean "no" -- no they don't exist? People retire there, > Sam, at least for the winter months. > >>> >>> Snowbirds. >> >> No > > Great source -- real estate sales literature. Find me the average > non-retirement income an

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
what do you mean "no" -- no they don't exist? People retire there, Sam, at least for the winter months. >> >> Snowbirds. > > No Great source -- real estate sales literature. Find me the average non-retirement income and then let me know. > http://www.articlesbase.com/non-fiction-articles/ten-re

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Sam
On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Dana wrote: > > and that's your basis for using it as an example of domestic investment Yes > Sam. > > Snowbirds. No > And isn't Phoenix an agricultural center? Orange pickers, hello? Must be a lot of money in picking oranges: http://www.articlesbase.com

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-16 Thread Dana
and that's your basis for using it as an example of domestic investment Sam. Snowbirds. And isn't Phoenix an agricultural center? Orange pickers, hello? On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Sam wrote: > > You asked for one I gave you many. > Wasn't it the city with the largest growth for the

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-15 Thread Sam
You asked for one I gave you many. Wasn't it the city with the largest growth for the like five years? Someone must have been hiring. On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Dana wrote: > > "many businesses in Phoenix" Why Phoenix? Let me see a source for > some of this blather. ~

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-15 Thread Dana
"many businesses in Phoenix" Why Phoenix? Let me see a source for some of this blather. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Sam wrote: > > Amazon, Ebay, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, every casino in Vegas, many > businesses in Phoenix. Should I continue? > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dana wr

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
I only watch Bret Beir but what the hell. Pick an news channel you watch and we'll compare for accuracy. I'm guessing you're into Obie, Mathews and Maddox. It's is odd for eight years you're real news channel rags about Haliburton and all the sudden a no-bid contract isn't even news. Makes you w

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
That's Cheney's fault right? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Interestingly enough it looks like Haliburton is up to its old tricks. > They were responsible for putting cement down the drill hole at the > Transocean's Deepwater Horizon drill site. It been suggested tha

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I wouldn't know. I don't watch Faux News. I prefer real news to fictional stuff. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Sam wrote: > > Didn't they get one of the largest no-bid contracts evah just last weekend? > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> And Haliburton doesn't

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Interestingly enough it looks like Haliburton is up to its old tricks. They were responsible for putting cement down the drill hole at the Transocean's Deepwater Horizon drill site. It been suggested that the procedure was so poorly done it may have caused the explosion. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 8

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
Didn't they get one of the largest no-bid contracts evah just last weekend? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > And Haliburton doesn't count. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
By bad, it was cancelled before they testified. http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/04/14/canceled-hearing-that-would-have-grilled-ceos-on-health-care/ On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Dana wrote: > > link please. I call bullshit > > >> Anyone that understands what just happened with the bil

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Sam
Amazon, Ebay, Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, every casino in Vegas, many businesses in Phoenix. Should I continue? On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dana wrote: > > name one > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> A lot. >> ~~~

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
haha, naw, all these guys just use jQuery now. No one knows how to write JS anymore but me. /runs On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Dana wrote: > > yes, if the object is an English sentence that uses a semicolon > correctly. I however thought he was trying for JavaScript. Could be > me. > > On

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
yes, if the object is an English sentence that uses a semicolon correctly. I however thought he was trying for JavaScript. Could be me. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Medic wrote: > > Do try to remember to stay on target here. Denny was just trying to use a > semi-colon for the fun of it. In a

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
Do try to remember to stay on target here. Denny was just trying to use a semi-colon for the fun of it. In an internet meme-y kind of way. I was just trying to help without basically destroying his original sentence. I should have maybe changed it to this: It *is* pretty bothersome that he's will

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
Sorry, was operating from memory. But "not with medical stuff though" still doesn't have a verb in it. The point remains. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Medic wrote: > > I don't see "but not medical though" in my sentence. > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Dana wrote: > >> >> so "but not

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
And Haliburton doesn't count. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dana wrote: > > name one > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> A lot. >> >> >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Dana wrote: >>> >>> yeah? How many businesses did that under Bush? >>> When the tax rate goes down

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
I don't see "but not medical though" in my sentence. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Dana wrote: > > so "but not medical though" does not contain a verb --> comma not semicolon > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Medic wrote: > > > > Kind of. > > > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dana w

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
so "but not medical though" does not contain a verb --> comma not semicolon On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Medic wrote: > > Kind of. > > On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dana wrote: > >> >> no, semicolon is interchangeable with a period >> >> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Medic wrote: >>

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Medic
Kind of. On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dana wrote: > > no, semicolon is interchangeable with a period > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > Ya [read:Yeah], I think you need it more like this: > > > > It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing to trust the government whe

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
link please. I call bullshit > Anyone that understands what just happened with the bill is upset. I > think it was Waxman that subpeanad AT&T and others for saying they > would need to write off $ billions for the new law. After a day of > testimony and a review of the documents he conceded they

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
no, semicolon is interchangeable with a period On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Medic wrote: > > Ya [read:Yeah], I think you need it more like this: > > It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing to trust the government where > our privacy is concerned; not with medical stuff though. > > > ~~

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
Really? That list he just sent was the first I remember seeing. Of course, I periodically filter his emails to trash, so maybe that's my fault. > Like, he'd said Bush43 sucked before.  I remember.  I think it was the > same list of things, even. > > > It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing t

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-14 Thread Dana
name one On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Sam wrote: > > A lot. > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Dana wrote: >> >> yeah? How many businesses did that under Bush? >> >>> When the tax rate goes down people invest more. The take more chances >>> with investments, expand businesses etc. Why t

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:37 PM, denstar wrote: > It's been out of control for as long as I can remember, really, 'cept > for a time towards the end of Clinton's tenure (guess "he" robbed > social security to do that tho?). You pay attention, that's good. Taxes and spending haven't been that ba

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Medic wrote: > > Ya [read:Yeah], I think you need it more like this: > > It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing to trust the government where > our privacy is concerned; not with medical stuff though. > Ya; LOL... thanks! -- We shall not fail or falter; we

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:35 PM, denstar wrote: >>> Did you notice it's not constant? >> >> Which, death or taxes? > > Taxes and spending. Goes up and down. When it's down, not much of a > problem, but when it gets out of control... It's been out of

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:56 PM, denstar wrote: > Like, he'd said Bush43 sucked before.  I remember.  I think it was the > same list of things, even. I'm consistent. > It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing to trust the government; > where our privacy is concerned, but not with medical st

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Medic
Ya [read:Yeah], I think you need it more like this: It *is* pretty bothersome that he's willing to trust the government where our privacy is concerned; not with medical stuff though. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Dana wrote: > I'm still complaining and you are still telling me there's nothing to > worry about. He does the same thing to us that we do to him. (Only I don't call him a stoner when he doesn't remember (because it's not as funny unless you're a head.)) Like,

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
A lot. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Dana wrote: > > yeah? How many businesses did that under Bush? > >> When the tax rate goes down people invest more. The take more chances >> with investments, expand businesses etc. Why take the chance of >> doubling the size of your business if all the n

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
well yeah, that was why it was stupid to litigate over it. ;) On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Sam wrote: > > You're confusing the visitor list for the energy meetings with the > handouts Enron asked for that they were getting from the Clinton years > but the Bush admin told them to take a hike.

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
wow. There may be hope for you yet. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Sam wrote: > > Bush shouldn't have limited the federally funded embryonic stem cell supply. > Bush should have replaced Greenspan in the early days. > Bush shouldn't have pushed the bailout. > > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:47

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
yeah? How many businesses did that under Bush? > When the tax rate goes down people invest more. The take more chances > with investments, expand businesses etc. Why take the chance of > doubling the size of your business if all the new profits go to uncle > Sam?

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
You're confusing the visitor list for the energy meetings with the handouts Enron asked for that they were getting from the Clinton years but the Bush admin told them to take a hike. The energy meetings were about energy and guess who was there? Energy companies.I would hate to get advice from ban

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
Bush shouldn't have limited the federally funded embryonic stem cell supply. Bush should have replaced Greenspan in the early days. Bush shouldn't have pushed the bailout. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Dana wrote: > > Obama should not continue warrantless wiretaps and is wrong to do so. > Ob

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:35 PM, denstar wrote: >> Did you notice it's not constant? > > Which, death or taxes? Taxes and spending. Goes up and down. When it's down, not much of a problem, but when it gets out of control... > Oh yeah?  It must be one of those counter-intuitive deals then, right

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
well... to avoid say they met with them. I don't believe for a minute that they denied Kenny Boy's requests. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dana wrote: > Really? How do you know? They fought the Sierra Club and Judicial > Watch for years to avoid saying that. > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:18 P

Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay penalties instead

2010-05-13 Thread Dana
Really? How do you know? They fought the Sierra Club and Judicial Watch for years to avoid saying that. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Sam wrote: > > The Bush admin met with Enron and denied all their request unlike the > Clinton admin that bent over backwards for them. Nice curve ball but > l

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