On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 01:35 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
As I suggested earlier, when using an object based storage approach
(which apparently Finale doesn't) the normal practice would be to
store multiple versions of the objects so that back level releases
would be able to see
Richard Huggins writes:
If anyone happens to know the inner workings at Coda, I'd be interested to
know if any or all of the programmers are musicians to the extent that it is
helpful to what they do? Or are there some are and some aren't? Or are there
musicians who are giving the programmers
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 22:49 America/Vancouver, Craig Parmerlee
wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about ever but apparently not recently.
Maybe it was when they were only releasing products for
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:06 AM, Philip M. Aker wrote:
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 22:49 America/Vancouver, Craig Parmerlee
wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about ever but apparently not
So if a client had only version 3 we would have to avoid using smart
shapes?
I have a suggestion for your backwards compatibility -- keep all the
previous versions on your computer and simply work in the version that
works for your client.
I find your suggestion that in order for finale to
Wow, you said a mouthful!
I would bet, given the large Windows market, that Windows is what has
allowed the company to keep going, rather than bringing the company down!
Remember when the Mac version of each new release came out first? And
then suddenly (and without fanfare) that changed so
I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a period (.) after the 1 in a first ending and the 2 in a second
ending. Is there a way to do this?
Larry
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I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a period (.) after the 1 in a first ending and the 2 in a second
ending. Is there a way to do this?
I almost always use a period there. Can't you just type it?
Crystal Premo
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Craig Parmerlee writes:
As I suggested earlier, when using an object based storage approach (which
apparently Finale doesn't) the normal practice would be to store multiple
versions of the objects so that back level releases would be able to see
something they recognize.
So when we arrive
David H. Bailey writes:
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it is
the Mac market which is the drag these days.
Avoiding to make this into a OS war issue, I think the OSX development
will benefit both platforms in the end. Although the rewrite for OSX
I guess I've owned 6 or 7 releases of Finale. I can't recall all the
release numbers. It certainly isn't a requirement to go back 7
releases. But it is normal for a software product -- especially one that
could be used in a collaborative work environment -- to provide n-2 through
n+2
At 03:07 PM 6/7/2003 +0200, Jari Williamsson wrote:
Craig Parmerlee writes:
As I suggested earlier, when using an object based storage approach (which
apparently Finale doesn't) the normal practice would be to store multiple
versions of the objects so that back level releases would be able to
I'm using a Roland PC-300 MIDI controller connected by USB to my Mac.
This setup works fine for all purposes under OS9, including Finale
input, and for most purposes under OS X as well. The thing is, I would
like from time to time to be able to use the computer as a sound module
directly under
At 12:49 AM -0500 6/07/03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about ever but apparently not recently.
They face a tough confluence of circumstances.
Part of that is a heavy push by
At 5:02 PM -0700 6/06/03, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
on 6/6/03 4:10 PM, helgesen wrote:
Win Fin 2003. Is it possible to increase the thickness of all lines in
Finale? I find, especially when I % reduce pages, systems or staves that I
lose the 'blackness' in lines- as in note stems, barlines,
At 6:36 AM -0400 6/07/03, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote:
I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a period (.) after the 1 in a first ending and the 2 in a second
ending. Is there a way to do this?
Easily. When the box comes up asking you what text you want, instead
of typing 1
I agree that the development will help both platforms and I did not
intend to sound defensive or aggressive in referring to the platform
issue -- merely stating an opinion.
Jari Williamsson wrote:
David H. Bailey writes:
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it
Did he tell you that Sibelius can't playback D.C. and D.S.? Everybody
in the Sibelius universe seems particularly quiet on that point!
Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 12:49 AM -0500 6/07/03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has
You can, but if you don't type anything the 1 and 2 appear automatically
and he is asking if the periods can be made to appear automatically
along with the numbers.
I don't think the periods can be automatic.
Crystal Premo wrote:
I would like to change a Finale default behavior:
I want a
I don't know Sibelius, so keep that in mind, but how likely is it that the
Sibelius rep would conveniently ignore those things that are easier and
faster in Finale? If he wants to keep his job, VERY likely.
One fellow on this list (or perhaps another) once listed (numerically) over
60 reasons why
Richard Huggins wrote:
I don't know Sibelius, so keep that in mind, but how likely is it that the
Sibelius rep would conveniently ignore those things that are easier and
faster in Finale? If he wants to keep his job, VERY likely.
The most unbiased head to head comparison I am familar with
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 03:13 America/Vancouver, David H. Bailey
wrote:
It would be very interesting, as you say, to see what the numbers are,
in a development-vs-income comparison.
That is the point isn't it. $US284,000 of revenue loss is a mighty cold
supper. And also a review of the
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 06:23 America/Vancouver, Jari Williamsson
wrote:
(since Mac now have many things that Win32 has had for years, like
easy multi-threaded multitasking, a good set of user controls, etc).
But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
requesting
On Monday, Apr 7, 2003, at 07:05 America/Vancouver, John Croft wrote:
So, does anybody know if it's possible to patch an external MIDI
keyboard directly into QuickTime, and have it use the selected
SoundFont? (It would be nice if Apple's Audio MIDI Setup utility
recognised QT as an output, so
--- Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If Coda could supply more usable default files to
start with, this
would ease things in the school market considerably.
For example,
almost everything in Sibelius plays back out
correctly of the box. To
set up Finale so that everything
Philip M. Aker writes:
But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
requesting support for them in the PDK since the autumn of that year.
So what happens if Carbon isn't installed on the client's computer?
Multitasking as an issue is only important to Windows
Earl Price writes:
Speaking of playback, I wish that Coda would fix
playback of transposing instruments during Simple note
entry. Currently what we hear is playback of the
pitch entered as if it were concert pitch. This is
annoying when working in transposed scores, which is
the way I
At 10:58 AM -0400 6/07/03, David H. Bailey wrote:
You can, but if you don't type anything the 1 and 2 appear
automatically and he is asking if the periods can be made to appear
automatically along with the numbers.
I don't think the periods can be automatic.
Aha, I see in the Friendly Manual
Ha ha! No, he was very quiet on all points regarding Sibelius'
weaknesses. I only mentioned the ones that came up in the workshop. I
should have brought Darcy's email with me, where he outlines all the
things that drove him nuts about the program, but I wasn't trying to
be confrontational, I
At 10:12 AM -0700 6/07/03, Earl Price wrote:
--- Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If Coda could supply more usable default files to
start with, this
would ease things in the school market considerably.
For example,
almost everything in Sibelius plays back out
correctly of the
At 10:07 AM -0500 6/07/03, Richard Huggins wrote:
I don't know Sibelius, so keep that in mind, but how likely is it that the
Sibelius rep would conveniently ignore those things that are easier and
faster in Finale? If he wants to keep his job, VERY likely.
One fellow on this list (or perhaps
Jari wrote:
Have you (and others who want it) sent in a feature request?
Hi, all! I'm brand-spankin' new to this list, so forgive me if I'm asking a
stupid question.
Where does one send in a feature request?
I do a lot of composing and arranging for handbells am a member of another
Finale
In a message dated 07/06/2003 19:02:38 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
??? That's odd, why would you want to hear a note that's NOT the
sounding pitch?
That's exactly the problem - you don't hear the souding pitch - for example, if you write a g second line for horn which should
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 10:21 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 12:49 AM -0500 6/07/03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 09:06 AM 6/7/2003 +1000, Matthew Hindson wrote:
By the way, has Makemusic/Codamusic _ever_ made a profit?
I don't know about ever but apparently not recently.
They face a
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 10:24 America/Vancouver, Jari Williamsson
wrote:
But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
requesting support for them in the PDK since the autumn of that year.
So what happens if Carbon isn't installed on the client's computer?
Those
Michele Sharik writes:
Where does one send in a feature request?
To the tech support e-mail addresses:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you send in multiple requests, MakeMusic seems to appreciate if you
make a wish list in priority order.
Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
He actually got a bit testy with me when I pointed out that the chord
analysis provided by the analysis plugin was faulty. He didn't give me
chance to point out that Finale's harmonic analysis is worse. His
exact words were,
On 6 Jun 2003 at 19:37, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 07:11 PM 6/6/2003 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 5 Jun 2003 at 23:19, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Coda is possibly the only vendor of a
major software product that does not provide backwards compatibility.
It depends on the product
On 7 Jun 2003 at 0:35, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
It is no different with Word, Excel or any other end-user application.
Really, would you *stop* using these completely invalid comparisons
to programs that have file formats that are several orders of
magnitude less complex?
It *is* different
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 18:01 Europe/London, Philip M. Aker wrote:
I've just been through a similar issue with Andrew Levin offlist. Our
conclusion, based on the setups of our 4 different Macs, was that it's
not possible with QuickTime (including Pro) right now. I think it's
something
On 7 Jun 2003 at 15:23, Jari Williamsson wrote:
David H. Bailey writes:
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it is
the Mac market which is the drag these days.
Avoiding to make this into a OS war issue, I think the OSX development
will benefit both
On 7 Jun 2003 at 8:28, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Every release of Finale I have used has supported slurs, 8va and
practically all the SmartShapes that are used today. Granted the
SmartShapes changed the way these are manipulated (and presumably
stored). But in an object-oriented environment
On 7 Jun 2003 at 8:40, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
This type of thing is everywhere in the software world, not just in the
storage of object oriented objects. The best example is HTML. From the
very beginning of Mosaic, the browser was designed to parse and discard
tags it couldn't recognize,
On 7 Jun 2003 at 10:00, Philip M. Aker wrote:
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 03:13 America/Vancouver, David H. Bailey
wrote:
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it
is the Mac market which is the drag these days.
Nope. It's Coda not having had their ear to
At 1:40 PM 06/07/03, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
[listing advantages of Sibelius]
Add an octave higher or lower in one click, or any interval, for that
matter. Several mouse clicks in Finale.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't this pretty simple in Finale with the
transposition function with
On 7 Jun 2003 at 10:01, Philip M. Aker wrote:
Multitasking as an issue is only important to Windows developers
because DOS (and I think Windows before W95) never had anything like
the (old) MacOS event loop concept in the first place.
Eh?
DOS was single-tasking, so is not a relevant
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 12:48 America/Vancouver, Jari Williamsson
wrote:
But even more telling is the complete lack of an analogy on Windows
for high level events. All of which have now been subsumed into
AppleEvents BTW. My best nutshell explanation is that they are an
object oriented
On 7 Jun 2003 at 19:24, Jari Williamsson wrote:
Philip M. Aker writes:
But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and
requesting support for them in the PDK since the autumn of that year.
So what happens if Carbon isn't installed on the client's computer?
Well,
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 12:55 America/Vancouver, John Croft wrote:
I've just been through a similar issue with Andrew Levin offlist. Our
conclusion, based on the setups of our 4 different Macs, was that
it's not possible with QuickTime (including Pro) right now. I think
it's something
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/07/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
Basic things seem to go very quickly, but anything fussy will take
a lot of time, which would make it a good choice for students, bad
choice for me.
I actually don't think
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:02 PM, Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 1:40 PM 06/07/03, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
[listing advantages of Sibelius]
Add an octave higher or lower in one click, or any interval, for that
matter. Several mouse clicks in Finale.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't this
On Friday, Jun 6, 2003, at 18:10 America/Vancouver, David H. Bailey wrote:
Randy Stokes, senior developer, IS a musician. I have no idea
about any of the rest.
Now where did that page of jokes about trombonists go...
Philip Aker
Must have been stolen by a violist.
John
--
John Susie Howell
At 1:02 PM -0800 6/07/03, Mark D. Lew wrote:
At 1:40 PM 06/07/03, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
[listing advantages of Sibelius]
Add an octave higher or lower in one click, or any interval, for that
matter. Several mouse clicks in Finale.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but isn't this pretty simple in
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:29 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 3:30 PM -0400 6/07/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 01:40 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
Basic things seem to go very quickly, but anything fussy will take a
lot of time, which would make it a
At 04:33 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
pre-programmed.
Huh? You mean aside from the ones that are pre-programmed in the Maestro
Default File and the various
On Saturday, Jun 7, 2003, at 13:02 America/Vancouver, David W. Fenton
wrote:
And the best part: if they code for OS X in the right way, it's about
halfway to a Linux port (obviously, Aqua-specific code would not port).
I don't think that's practical for them until they can drop OS 9
support.
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
pre-programmed. None of us would use them, since we all have set up
our own customized metatools,
At 4:33 PM -0400 6/07/03, Darcy James Argue wrote:
What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
pre-programmed. None of us would use them, since we all have set up
our own customized metatools, having the
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:40 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 04:33 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
What might be good is if Finale templates had certain common
articulation, expression, staff style, transposition etc metatools
pre-programmed.
Huh? You mean aside from the ones that
At 04:48 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Oh. Well, I never use Coda's default files, so I didn't know they'd
done this. Which metatools are pre-programmed? When did this happen?
There have been metatools pre-programmed at least since 2000, and possibly
Fin98, which is where I came in.
At 04:44 PM 6/7/2003, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
They DO have many common ones pre-programmed now! As I said, Coda is
getting better about this in recent versions. But finding them, and
using them, that's the problem. Listing them on the reference card
would be a great idea!
I agree that listing
Following Chris Smith's advice, I re-downloaded the Sibelius Demo and
checked out their Inkpen font set, in the hopes that the numbers would
be more legible than JazzFont's, while maintaining the handwritten
look.
When I tried the font, I remembered why I hated it in the first place.
The
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:05 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 04:44 PM 6/7/2003, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
They DO have many common ones pre-programmed now! As I said, Coda is
getting better about this in recent versions. But finding them, and
using them, that's the problem. Listing them on
Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant,
it is the Mac market which is the drag these days.
I'm sure! I know I skipped the 2003 upgrade for that very reason.
The only reason we upgraded at my institution last year was that we
converted to a site license, added a few
On Friday our 5 year old computer died. So on Saturday I bought a new one,
with a card reader, firewire, usb cordless keyboard and mouse, but no
joystick port. So I can't use my MIDI breakout cable thingy to connect to my
computer.
What do people use these days?
David McKay
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 05:11 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
If you're a beginning and don't know about metatools yet, how would you
know what those letters and numbers in the upper-right corner mean?
Well, I might read the manual. g p.22-2, Articulation Selection dialog
box, says, Occasionally, a character
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:37 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 05:11 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
If you're a beginning and don't know about metatools yet, how would
you
know what those letters and numbers in the upper-right corner mean?
Well, I might read the manual.
Well, duh.
At 06:02 PM 6/7/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote:
But the point was ease of use. Important info like
Metatools needs to be in multiple places, *especially* the Quick
Reference Card and any automated tutorials.
Also -- realistically, kids these days aren't going to sit down with
the manual in order
On 7 Jun 2003 at 17:31, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
At 03:58 PM 6/7/2003 -0400, you wrote:
On 7 Jun 2003 at 0:35, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
It is no different with Word, Excel or any other end-user application.
Really, would you *stop* using these completely invalid comparisons
to programs
I'd like to point out that I sent my message to Mr. Fenton privately, as I
know this whole discussion is way beyond tiresome for this list. As Mr.
Fenton decided to post it publicly, I can only surmise he has a keen desire
for the last word on this subject, which I am more than happy to give
On 7 Jun 2003 at 18:02, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I'd like to point out that I sent my message to Mr. Fenton privately, as I
know this whole discussion is way beyond tiresome for this list. As Mr.
Fenton decided to post it publicly, I can only surmise he has a keen desire
for the last word
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 07:02 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I'd like to point out that I sent my message to Mr. Fenton privately,
as I know this whole discussion is way beyond tiresome for this list.
As Mr. Fenton decided to post it publicly, I can only surmise he has a
keen desire for
Then you send it in as a Bug Report, not a Feature Request. But you do
it to the same address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Earl Price wrote:
--- Jari Williamsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Earl Price writes:
Speaking of playback, I wish that Coda would fix
playback of transposing
David McKay wrote:
On Friday our 5 year old computer died. So on Saturday I bought a new one,
with a card reader, firewire, usb cordless keyboard and mouse, but no
joystick port. So I can't use my MIDI breakout cable thingy to connect to my
computer.
What do people use these days?
I know
I don't know about Soundfonts, but the concept works with certain
soft-synths in pre-X setups. The QT control panel accesses OMS (if
that is what you are using), and you can set the inputs and outputs.
For example, I have a lab that has Virtual Sound Canvas used in this
way. QT plays the
What do people use these days?
I have a MIDISport 1x1.
Crystal Premo
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I think one of the things CODA has done pretty well with in the last
couple of upgrades is reorganization of stock metatools, and making the
whole thing more user-friendly. In fact, in most cases with students,
much explanation is not needed, because once they have figured it out
once, they
Also check out Adobe's Tekton font. I started using it for chord symbols and
numbers before the hand look fonts came along and it is more readable
especially at smaller point sizes.
Vince Leonard
Invinceable Entertainment
Media PA
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Following Chris Smith's
At 10:14 PM 06/07/03, Tim Thompson wrote:
I like the way the articulation
tools were changed for example (except that I had to relearn--I tend to
get used to some stock things like that since I am working on so many
different systems, and with students). A for accent, S for staccato,
etc.
Like
To have same articulations that behave differently, you just create a copy
of the same articulation in your pallette and change the default behavior of
the new one. Of course you also assign a unique metatool to that duplicate.
For example, your articulation pallette might have two accent marks,
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