emall to Apache Incubator.
Excellent -- it's great that AIST supports open source software!
> I'm considering to take Software Grant Agreement sign from them
> in the incubation process.
That would be appropriate.
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that's required is a *plan* -- and it seems to me that there's enough of a
plan to get started.
Another detail is that very small contributions may not be copyrightable and
thus may not require relicensing. Again, that can be dealt with later.
Good luck!
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For background:
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy#release-definition
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy#publication
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our dev communities, but distribution must be fenced off and outsiders
pointed towards official releases.
It would be great if there can be a strong division between hub.docker.com for
public images and something analogous to repository.apache.org on Bintray or
elsewhere for private
uld appreciate additional collaborators.
Someone to summarize the conversations that have taken place on
general@incubator and write the narrative for this month would be
welcome (and is probably the most interesting task).
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> I have create my new account on Apache Incubator Wiki page, the username is
> "garyw", could you please help to add my account to ContributorsGroup asap.
> for submitting our September's podding report ? Thanks!
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> 'KhurrumNasim'. Can you please help granting the edit permission for
> submitting the podling report?
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Data 0.1.0-incubating
- 2016-08-29 Apache Pirk 0.1.0-incubating
* IP Clearance
None this month.
* Legal / Trademarks
* Infrastructure
* Miscellaneous
* Credits
- Report Manager: Marvin Humphrey / John D. Ament
Summary of podling reports
*
Incubator
website, at say http://incubator.apache.org/chat alongside guidance
documenting how we expect real-time communications to be used.
https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/#asf";
style="border:0; width:100%; height:450px;
out. Ditching it will have no problematic consequences.
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o Apache. (In fact, maybe we should make that
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from logins for other Moin wikis.) I'll add you.
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> Would someone kindly add me as a contributor to the incubator wiki?
>
> My username is RandallLeeds.
Done.
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> My login as "niclas"
Added.
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FredericClere my user can't edit it
> or is it too late?
I have added JeanFredericClere to ContributorsGroup, and you should
now be able to edit the wiki report page.
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he podling.
Happy to. What usernames do the two of you use to log into
wiki.apache.org/incubator ? Are your usernames actually `Matt
Rutkowski` and `Carlos Santana` (with the space in the middle)? That's
possible but unusual, so
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Carlos Santana wrote:
> Hi my I just created a userid CarlosSantana on the wiki
> Can I get write access?
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ibution and damage
the project's reputation, but that it's not something we need or want to
control with policy constraints. But we *do* care about things such as
guaranteeing that security conscious consumers will be able build from source.
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s something I wrote to legal-discuss recently, which talks about
some of the security reasons why bundling a binary dependency is
problematic: https://s.apache.org/OuNX
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> [3]: http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what-must-every-release-contain
That document has been superseded. Official Release Policy, curated
by VP Legal, is here:
http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy
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On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 9:34 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 12:19 PM Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 6:41 AM, John D. Ament
>> wrote:
>> > However, regarding the
>> > binaries. In a recent discussion (on legal-dis
it.
This isn't a big deal in practice because most people don't care about
the security implications of consuming the convenience binary and just
use that.
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nts:
>> [ ](podling) mentor3
>> Comments:
>>
>> And rename Shepherd/Mentor notes: to just "Shepherd notes:"
>
> Big +1. Having even a sentence for most mentors with their thoughts is
> a huge improvement if we can get it.
I agree, this is very nice.
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s VP Lucy) -- `ozawa` should
be good to go.
For future reference (especially others who may have seen this
thread), please send LDAP administrivia requests to private@incubator.
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olks, we're on RC *nine*. The IPMC has the discretion to apply the
"does it put the Foundation at risk" test for releases which don't
follow policy yet are still legal. This would seem like a good time
to be flexible.
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:00 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:05 PM Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Dan Kirkwood wrote:
> Personally, the reason why I'm asking about the impact is to better make a
> judgment call
OK for incubating releases, but first require approval by
VP Legal.
Incubation disclaimers give us the flexibility to bring podlings into
compliance incrementally. At the same time, because podlings may not be
in compliance, incubation disclaimers a
le, so I thought it was
worthwhile to review the rationale and to analyze some of the most common
cases.
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m an
> opinion around which logos make sense and don't make sense, in addition to
> the community vote that is going to happen.
>
> So if you're looking to join that committee, please reach out.
I'd like to participate.
(FWIW, I used to work in graph
d-license-compatibility
This is outdated but still a good read:
http://www.catb.org/esr/Licensing-HOWTO.html#compatibility
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n of such licenses is that the copyright
holder for subsequent changesets must make them available under the
original license. However, BSD licenses do not impose such a
restriction, so it's valid to create an ALv2 changeset to apply on
top of a
ar as I know, they're following the
recommendation. What more can we ask of them?
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On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Cesar Berho wrote:
> Please add me to ContributorsGroup on Wiki, I'm trying to upload the PMC
> report
>
> Account: Cesar Berho
Added "Cesar Berho" (with space). Happy
I reverted the OpenWhisk wiki commit because it contained lots of conflicts.
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On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Apache Wiki wrote:
> Dear Wiki user,
>
> You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Incubator Wiki" for
> change notification.
>
&
ist, but commenting on a commit via the Github interface only triggers a
private notification -- the comment never makes it to our dev list. We mostly
avoid Github commit comments for that reason, so inclusiveness is not harmed
-- but
y nice framework to organize
incubation around. (Moreso than, say, an enumeration of our policies, which
would overemphasize rules.) The Incubator might not formally integrate the
Maturity Model today, but perhaps that could change.
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On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 10:23 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>> For what it's worth, on one dev list I'm on, pull requests make it to the
>> dev list, but commenting on a commit via the Github interface only trigge
Move the ASF logo down to the "About The Apache Software Foundation"
section. Center the Incubator logo at the top.
Also, I like my bikeshed purple: http://purple.bikeshed.org/
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ent ideas for asynchronous consumption is not the same as the way
you'd do it in real-time.
The question I always have when podlings ask about Slack, IRC, videochat,
face-to-face convos in meatspace, or any real-time communication channel, is
whether they appreciate w
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:29 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:56 AM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>> ...Efficient asynchronous decision making over email is a skill, and
>> mastering it
>> is key to success as an Apache community
>
> Ind
Hub distribution, and it seems like that was time well spent.
John, I don't see anything worth pursuing here.
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On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:52 PM, Ashutosh Chauhan wrote:
>>>> Wiki username: JeffFeng
I added JeffFeng. Happy Wikifying!
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On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 9:13 PM, Ed Espino wrote:
> Please grant me (username:espino) karma so I can update the Apache Incubator
> Wiki for the HAWQ podling report.
Looks like you're already in ContributorsGroup, so you should be good to go.
Marv
rn:
it's simpler to divide up commit privileges than to unify them. Sure
-- I don't see a problem with that. +1 to go ahead and collaborate
with infra to make it happen.
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require copyright assignment. Thus the ASF only holds copyright in the
collection; that's what's expressed in the NOTICE file ASF copyright notice.
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way entirely for any ASF product.
(Note that adding our copyright to the NOTICE file is an ASF policy, not
a requirement of the ALv2 -- outside users of the ALv2 do not have to
follow the ASF's example.)
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basically means
changing it is justified as soon as there's a commit anywhere in the source
tree in a new year.
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> Central, but I would like to know if there is anything explicit about it.
Infra provides some extra support for certain kinds of distribution (we run
repository.apache.org, we used to run a PEAR repo, etc). I don't know of
any special techni
people to edit the site after
merely an SVN checkout, or would people have to install anything?
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On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 6:39 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:21 PM Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 5:17 PM, wrote:
>> > Continuing progress on converting to asciidoc.
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I can&
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Bryan Call wrote:
> I would like to request edit access, so I can add a proposal.
> My username is BryanCall.
Done.
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On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Hal Lockhart wrote:
> Please add my account, "HalLockhart" to the wiki contributors group.
Done.
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such changes in version control, though, so that they may be reviewed more
easily by the PMC and documented for posterity.
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On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
wrote:
> Can I please get write permissions to the Wiki?
Please let us know what your username is for
wiki.apache.org/incubator. (It's not necessarily the same as your
apache ID.)
Marvin
rd" IPMC votes from the podling dev list, which is
arguably confusing because it doesn't follow the letter of the law. But I
sure hope nobody wants to start failing release VOTEs because some IPMC member
voted only on the PPMC thread.
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the source artifacts. (It
shouldn't be!) Optionally we can get into vetting the licensing
documentation of the convenience binary, but the VOTE underway applies
only to the source.
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Tony Kurc wrote:
> Can I please be granted write access on the incubator wiki (username
> TonyKurc) to collaborate on a proposal?
Done.
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On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
wrote:
> Sorry for the late response. My username is "dsetrakyan", same as the
> apache ID.
>
> Can you please give me write permissions to the Wiki?
1
Rules which are byzantine and opaque are hard to follow and hard to enforce.
Cumbersome regulation favors the establishment, and we want to foster
innovation by newcomers.
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ycles. It was a mess. We're
better now.
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On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
wrote:
> I also request addition to the "contributor group" for the purpose of working
> on the Corinthia proposal.
>
> My Incubator Wiki User ID is "orcmi
ris needs some sort of karma to change
> that page. I'm happy to wait until January, but equally happy to take
> one of the assignments for folks that have two.
WIki user DrewFarris now has edit karma. Please feel free to claim an
assignment!
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i.apache.org/incubator/CorinthiaProposal
> <https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CorinthiaProposal>).
Done.
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Best wishes to HDT's contributors in your future endeavors.
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On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Rahul Sharma wrote:
> The VOTE passed with 6 +1 binding votes from the following PPMC members.
>
> Jeffrey Zemerick
> Chris Mattmann
> Suresh Marru
> Roman Sh
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Timothy Chen wrote:
> I just found out I can't edit the wiki, can you give me edit permissions?
>
> My wiki username is TimothyChen
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n not ready to make a report right away.
> We will file a hopefully positive report in january.
Sounds great!
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hat means that resolutions tend to be submitted by
Mentors who are also ASF Members subscribed to board@apache.
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ugh karma)
>
> I just created an account and my ID is MarkoRodriguez. Can you give
> me edit permissions please?
Done.
You should be able to edit the wiki now. FYI it is updating slowly right
this moment.
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On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 7:33 PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote:
> I’d like to volunteer to help out as a shepherd.
Super! I hope you find the experience broadening.
> I’ve taken the liberty of adding myself to shepherds.json file.
Extra bonus JFDI points!!
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the Report Manager edit
content/podlings.xml add the "monthly" attribute to the metadata for the
relevant podlings podlings. Such tasks are documented in report_runbook.py.
Unfortunately manual XML editing is fiddly and it's easy to either fail to add
or fail to remove, but the system
gressions are inevitable.
Proposition: It is impossible to define The Apache Way while following
The Apache Way.
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provide a new release that is a slight alteration of a
previous release. Release managers owe it to those who come afterwards
to use build processes that are reproducible.
In my view, the Incubator should not make such practice mandatory unless there
is an ASF-wide policy change.
M
rivilege in order to obtain the benefits of increased
contributor investment.
Additional background:
https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
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the podling busies itself with the task of
voting new people in, it should be OK. I think the way Marko put it bodes
well:
Thus, typically finding those people is the difficult part, not the
accepting of those who do so.
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On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>> Might be seen as
>> grossly unfair by the project that remain in the old regime
There's no structure like no structure!
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I'm not sure that's a solvable
problem, because it seems that The Apache Way inherently produces sprawling,
incoherent policy and policy documentation.
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hand this month, due to some other commitments.
> If anyone else is looking to step up to take care of the report, please
> feel free to run the runbook.
Thanks very much for all the work you've been doing!
Enjoy your time away.
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http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/January2015
Wed January 07 -- Podling reports due by end of day
Sun January 11 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
Sun January 11 -- Summary due by end of day
Tue January 13 -- Mentor signoff due by end
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Marvin Humphrey
wrote:
> I'll wait until tomorrow to see if any emails get out. If not, then I'll send
> manual reminders to all the relevant podling dev lists.
Since the report reminders script never fired, I sent out manual reminders
this
Consensus requirements make it all but impossible to remove complexity.
* Openness requirements bias the system towards adding complexity.
People should leave the Incubator alone and go work on more pressing
problems. Come back once the ASF
r to drive them through to final consensus I figure I have to set aside
2-4 weeks where reacting to developments on legal-discuss@apache must be my
top priority at all times -- and since I got busy last fall I haven't been
able to make such a commitment. Pruning complexity from Apache's pol
ingle Mentor per podling.
In fact, I'd say that treating Mentorship differently than PMC membership will
be key to addressing the Incubator's structural incentive difficulties.
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On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Selvamohan Neethiraj
wrote:
> Can someone add my wiki user account (Selvamohan Neethiraj)
Done.
(Wiki ID includes space.)
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I'm not sure how to do that. So long as you can log in, though, I
believe adding you to ContributorsGroup suffices and no further action
is necessary. Even logged in, you would not have been able to edit
the wiki before; you should be able to now.
On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Don Bosco Durai wrote:
>
> Can someone please provide me write access to the incubator report wiki
> pages?
>
> My wiki id is ³bosco²
ID "bosco" added, happy wikifying.
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and are inundating general@incubator with dozens of
emails each day are the same discontented core who were doing it two
years ago.
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requiring Mentor checkoff, we'll notice 90% of podlings that
go adrift.
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ou serious?
Absolutely. And if anyone who represents us on the Board doesn't
think that a lack of clear expectations is a problem, I think that's a
big problem.
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7;t know,
every possible interpretation of The Apache Way.
If the Board thinks that not knowing The Apache Way is a problem, give us a
specific definition -- and then don't hold us accountable for knowledge of any
other version.
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is incredibly
inefficient, and it makes the Incubator's mission untenable. Even if
the Board makes good calls every once in a while, the rest of us should
not have to live in perpetual uncertainty.
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robably dev@community.
Eventual Board endorsement of this document as an authoritative resource
is essential. That's what allows those who consult it to have confidence
that they can know everything Apache requires without having to search
through every last web page and email
this is a policy issue not a legal one.
It would be appropriate to note the exception in the "Releases" section of
next month's Board report, so that the Board stays informed of how the
Incubator PMC is exercising discretion in
If the Board is willing to commission such a document, I will make it happen.
And I would be delighted to work with our VPs at the Board's request to refine
project requirement documentation for their separate areas.
Please assign me this task.
Marvin Humphrey
having clear rules up till now. That
skepticism must be applied aggressively at every step of the way to ensure
that we require no more than the bare minimum.
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s to spend less time researching and arguing over what is required.
Projects may even discover newfound flexibility. For example, when the
Incubator PMC clarified its collective understanding of release policy, it
became able to reach consensus on approvin
ch brought the Incubator out of perpetual crisis.
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want it back, but if retired the link should go too.
I misremembered. In an earlier cleanup (January 2014), I had moved
the link to a less prominent location on the page.
OK, this time it will really go. But I'm glad I got to thank people again. :)
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