Hi There,
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 03:41:46PM -0600, Jason Grout wrote:
mark mcclure wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two
On Nov 24, 7:20 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
It's shared between many countries,
including France, Germany, Austria, India, Canada, etc.,
Since I do statistics, I want to add that since this fall Sage is by
far no longer an us-only project. There is more activity from europe
than
Florent Hivert wrote:
I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent about putting sage
down...
I suspect some of the employees at Mathworks probably welcome Sage, though they
would not say so officially.
Now, though I completely agree with sage goal, I don't feel very
William Stein wrote:
It's an honest attack, and that's exactly what I would expect from
the people working at the Ma's. Perhaps, I'm young and naive, but I
think they are by and large good and honest people. I think this
sort of competition is an overall plus for end users, in the long
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Dr. David Kirkby
david.kir...@onetel.net wrote:
Florent Hivert wrote:
I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent about putting sage
down...
I suspect some of the employees at Mathworks probably welcome Sage, though
they
would not say so
On Nov 24, 6:54 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Florent Hivert
How do you imagine that one of those sharks could put Sage down?
they don't have to. they just ignore it.
I'm genuinely curious, because I don't see how *they* can. The
obvious
On Nov 24, 6:55 am, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net
wrote:
.
What is so wrong about competition? In the UK, we have a 'competition
commission'
http://www.competition-commission.org.uk/
Since Sage is given away, Sage makes no money when more people use
it. I think the analogy
rjf wrote:
On Nov 24, 6:54 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Florent Hivert
How do you imagine that one of those sharks could put Sage down?
they don't have to. they just ignore it.
That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:49 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Many thanks for your comments.However, I'm concerned that your
level of rudeness is not appropriate
for this list.
-- William
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On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net
wrote:
That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponsored advertisements
paid for by Wolfram Research. Perhaps I am thick, but that suggests to me
Wolfram Research are not ignoring Sage.
I don't know how they have tuned
Harald Schilly wrote:
On Nov 24, 6:05 pm, Dr. David Kirkby david.kir...@onetel.net
wrote:
That's why searches on 'sage math' in Google bring up sponsored
advertisements
paid for by Wolfram Research. Perhaps I am thick, but that suggests to me
Wolfram Research are not ignoring Sage.
I
I do not have any special knowledge about why sage math leads to a
wolfram ad, but
perhaps Google has noticed that the pages that are about sage often
mention Mathematica.
Rather prominently, too.
The pages about foo don't mention Mathematica much.
Therefore sage math is in closer proximity to
Hi William,
In the operation, several friend there lost their job (actually this in not
Mathworks fault and probably the result of Sciface being bought by
Mathworks is
that some of them keep their job)...
I'm not sure anyone in this sharks market will care a cent about putting
From the proposal
... and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
Mathematica, Maple,
MATLAB and Magma. ...
Maxima just gets no respect. :)
Most of the facilities mentioned are already in Maxima.
And why is Cython much more than a Python to C
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
From the proposal
... and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
Mathematica, Maple,
MATLAB and Magma. ...
Maxima just gets no respect. :)
Most of the facilities mentioned are
On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
From the proposal
... and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
Mathematica, Maple,
MATLAB and Magma. ...
Maxima
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Simon King simon.k...@nuigalway.ie wrote:
On Nov 23, 4:38 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
From the proposal
... and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics
On Nov 23, 8:28 am, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
From the proposal
[snip]
And why is Cython much more than a Python to C translator? (This is
not sarcasm. I honestly have no idea that it was more.
I thought it was, if anything, less.)
Look at the section on Cython and Numerical Computation
On Nov 23, 9:55 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Simon King simon.k...@nuigalway.ie wrote:
Sage provides the capabilities of a wide range of open source
mathematical and non-mathematical software, such as GAP, JMol, Maxima,
Numpy, Pari/GP, R,
rjf wrote:
From the proposal
and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
Mathematica, Maple,
MATLAB and Magma. ...
Maxima just gets no respect. :)
Most of the facilities mentioned are already in Maxima.
[...]
You are so
You are so funny. You remind me of the sour old men in the public of
the Muppet show. Complaining all the time, but not looking what's
really happening.
Statler and Waldorf.
Also, unless we predict the immediate demise of Sage's integration,
(hopefully soon) summation (review this please!),
Hi William!
On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
1990s, right? Venerable = accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
because of age
My impression was that the word venerable (used *twice* in the
On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King simon.k...@nuigalway.ie wrote:
Hi William!
On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
1990s, right? Venerable = accorded a great deal of respect, esp.
because of
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 12:27 PM, John H Palmieri
jhpalmier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 23, 11:18 am, Simon King simon.k...@nuigalway.ie wrote:
Hi William!
On 23 Nov., 18:55, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
Maxima started in the 1960s, whereas Singular, Pari, GAP are from the
On Nov 23, 8:38 am, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:28 AM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
From the proposal
... and which has sophisti-
cated interfaces to nearly all other mathematics software, including
Mathematica, Maple,
MATLAB and Magma. ...
Definition of venerable:
1. Commanding respect by virtue of age, dignity, character, or
position.
2. Worthy of reverence, especially by religious or historical
association.
For the non-native English speakers (and maybe others) in the group,
it may be useful to point out that
labeling
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
Let's put Mathworks out of business.
mark mcclure wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
Let's put Mathworks out of business.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 01:04:25PM -0800, rjf wrote:
Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
is far inferior to what could be done in numeric integration,
as demonstrated by recent Mathematica versions. You would hardly get a
hint that 75% of the
mark mcclure wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
Let's put Mathworks out of business.
Jaap Spies wrote:
mark mcclure wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
Let's put
Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl writes:
mark mcclure wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support you wrote:
Let's put
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 7:04 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
That's helpful. Forgive me for asking for information. I see,
somewhat later, that this has to do with adding type declarations.
Just the ticket. To me is suggests that Python is inappropriate for
numerical work -- for which C is
It's time for this thread to move to sage-flame. Please no more
messages on sage-devel.
Nick
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Martin Rubey wrote:
Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl writes:
mark mcclure wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:30 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
That is true. In fact, I hope in the proposal to not insult or snub
non-free commercial software either.
But William, just two days ago on sage-support
On Nov 23, 4:56 pm, Martin Rubey martin.ru...@math.uni-hannover.de
wrote:
Jaap Spies j.sp...@hccnet.nl writes:
Ever heard of the word humor? Even without a smiley this is possible in
a message.
I, as a german speaking, can see no humor in that post you link to.
I guess I didn't either.
On Nov 23, 1:33 pm, Alex Ghitza aghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 01:04:25PM -0800, rjf wrote:
Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
is far inferior to what could be done in numeric integration,
as demonstrated by recent Mathematica
Is the topic of how should a Sage proposal be written so that it is
funded by NSF really something to be relegated to sage-flame?
I don't know how many other readers here have (repeatedly) served as
NSF reviewers or panelists evaluating proposals.
Based on my contributions to the writing of this
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 3:22 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the topic of how should a Sage proposal be written so that it is
funded by NSF really something to be relegated to sage-flame?
I don't know how many other readers here have (repeatedly) served as
NSF reviewers or panelists
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
venerable Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
Actually, while Maxima includes library access to Fortran methods, it
is far inferior to what could be
On Nov 23, 3:49 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM,rjffate...@gmail.com wrote:
venerable Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
it can do is symbolic integration and numeric integration.
Actually, while Maxima includes library
Hi All!
On 24 Nov., 01:15, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
NSF will not fund software development that competes with
existing commercial software.
Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
Do they mean (1) no fund for
It may be worthwhile pondering Tim's comment...
NSF will not fund software development that competes with
existing commercial software.
Indeed, that's irritating. What exactly does NSF mean?
Do they mean (1) no fund for software that competes economically with
existing commercial
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:15 PM, rjf fate...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 23, 3:49 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:04 PM,rjffate...@gmail.com wrote:
venerable Maxima is mentioned once, suggesting that the only thing
it can do is symbolic integration and
Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Do the servers continue? Are the students reassigned?
Do the Sage days continue? Does the code move to
sourceforge or github? Does this become a free-time only,
non-academic activity? Once Sage becomes a non-academic
free and open
Hi Tim,
Thanks for airing your concerns and worries.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly d...@axiom-developer.org wrote:
Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Yes.
Do the servers continue?
I'm not asking for funding for servers.The actual hardware is
owned
On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:12 PM, Tim Daly wrote:
Is there a plan for what happens if funding is not approved?
Do the servers continue?
Yes.
Are the students reassigned?
There aren't any students being funded by unconfirmed funding, and the
grant isn't about funding students either.
Do the
I'm excited to see a major focus on numerics and PDEs in Sage. I'm
thinking of using Sage to teach numerical methods for PDEs here at
KAUST next semester.
-David
On Nov 20, 3:24 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Me and several people have been putting together a proposal to this
Hi. I read through and made some comments into
the PDF with Skim on Mac OS X. I'll send it to
you via email.
Henning
On Nov 20, 12:24 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Me and several people have been putting together a proposal to this NSF
program:
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