Interesting that this is a Canadian blog.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:32 PM
Subject: [USMA:47927] Cars and the metric system
Dear All,
This guy needs to be supported.
I've just made a couple of jigs for a project I'm working on, involving cutting
sheets of heavy card to precision of less than 1 mm (actually, nearer 0.2 to
0.4 mm). The jigs were made out of hardwood. Everything was done in metric
or course, but I just don't even know how I'd even begin to
I think showing the weight of eggs is a good idea - in addition to the other
information already currently shown (number). But forcing eggs to be sold in
specific quantities seems to fly in the face of the previous legislation that
came into force this year that allows a free-for-all in
Been back in the UK a couple of days. Been a heatwave here, and today
temperatures are in the upper 20s. Went for a haircut, local barbershop,
old building in centre of Grimsby. Three girls doing hair, all likely on
minimum wage (this is NOT an upmarket establishment!), none of them likely
Re: [USMA:48045] Re: KG3U unitsI still prefer SAMS (Stone Age Measurements).
Short neat acronym.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Moore
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 1:44 PM
Subject: [USMA:48053] Re: KG3U units
In science and
Many of you will have read my somewhat sarcastic (or satiric, depending on your
point of view!) letter to Philip Hammond (see Pat Naughtin's Metrication
Matters 86 for the full text), regarding his proposal to phase out use of
metric measures in the UK DoT. I have received a reply from Judith
Hmmm, that's like asking should the Pope go to church. Americans will, one
day, realise that going metric is the right thing to do - and then they will do
it in no time flat. It's just waiting for that day to arrive...
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S.
We have a property mil(l) rate in Canada also - but with two 'l's'.
Calculated the same way.
The mil is used in construction, meaning 6/1000 of an inch . e.g. 6 mil
polyethylene vapour barrier.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Moore pmo...@asnt.org
To: U.S. Metric
How about a Megon?
- Original Message -
From: John M. Steele
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: [USMA:48328] Re: A Nanon? Is that a REALLY small moron?
Micron was so widely accepted and used that I checked. It was once
As the originator of this thread, I have to agree with this comment about
coins and banknotes - today's high(er) value coin is no different, in terms
of spending power, than the lower value coins were 50 or more years ago.
Personally, I like the £1 and £2 coins (UK) and the $1 and $2 coins
Regarding the comment (by Cartleton I think) about which US$1 he preferred.
For everything below the $1, Canada's and the US's coins (quarters, dimes,
nickels, cents) are more or less interchangeable. I have no idea who was
first, but likely it was the US, and Canada, always happy to adopt
I've often wondered why McDonalds doesn't rename its 'Quarter Pounder' to
something on the lines of 'Big One Hundred' or something similar ( ...a full
100 grams of fresh beef). Most customers would not notice the approx. 12%
reduction in meat content, and McDonalds would save that amount
The same could be said for Canada - a country which has had to adopt the best
ideas from around the world to stay in the race, as it were, as well as create
its own leading-edge concepts and ideas (e.g. the Canadarm, used on the Space
Shuttle - or, at a rather mundane level, mandatory daytime
May I add something to this from both the Canadian and British perspectives.
I, including family members, owned something like 30 ot 40 vehicles in the
period from 1977 to 1999 in Canada. Plus I drove/rented, or was driven in,
countless others, in the USA and Canada (and Mexico - scary driving
Regarding the inner cities youth expertise with metric, maybe American
authorities could get these youths to teach the rest of the population. Double
bonus - increase metric education at a grass roots level, AND give these youths
a meaning in their life.
John F-L
- Original Message
In the UK, the 'greetre' or 'meetre' would be found in ASDA ('part of the
Wal-Mart' family').
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: James R. Frysinger j...@metricmethods.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: [USMA:48602]
The BBC website business section today contained an article regarding some new
high speed trains, produced by Siemens, for the Eurostar services between
London and Paris and London and Brussels. The article was mostly metric,
although it showed the speed as 320 km per hour (200 mph), and that
One of the things that can be done to promote the significance of this special
date (and the existence of the 1000-kg gorilla) is to EMPHASIZE, in no small
measure, that 10-10-10 stands for (20)10-10-10 - 2010 October 10.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Paul Trusten
To:
While good as far as it goes, this study is based on far too much dated
material (1970s) to properly reflect today's realities, while not really
telling us much we didn't already know. Many of the arguments against highway
metrication put foward in the 1970s have since been proven to be
The world is full of ignorant people.. (sigh).
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:26 AM
Subject: [USMA:48644] How much tonnes equal to 1 metric ton?
Dear All,
It is a bit sad when one
The webpage that opened when I clicked on the 'didyouknow' link had two ads for
Continental Airlines. The first one was a banner ad, but was tailored for the
UK (obviously Google AdSense) as when I clicked on it all flights were from the
UK or ROI to various US destinations, and were shown in
When I hear a reference to '26 miles', I am always remined of the old Four
Preps pop song 26 Miles, ca. 1958. The song starts off as:
'Twenty six miles across the sea
Santa Catalina is awating for me
Santa Catalina, the island of romanceetc etc.
In that song, about two thirds of the way
Didn't we do this some little while ago?
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: [USMA:48872] Metric System Thriving In Nation's Inner Cities
Dear All,
John, how long did it take you to work out and write all this stuff? A fair
bit of time I would wager.
None of this would be necessary in a metric only world.
Gives some indication of the lost productivity experienced by the US (and to
some extent the UK) on a daily basis by having all these
There is a way to get the US predominantly metric in 10 years. It involves that
sure-fire way of making progress in anything - money and time.
The concept is quite simple, and consists of getting schoolchildren when they
are around 10 or 11 years old to make a simple choice: Embark on their
the two tracks of students arising from
this, an
- funding.
Jim
On 2010-11-22 0950, John Frewen-Lord wrote:
There is a way to get the US predominantly metric in 10 years. It
involves that sure-fire way of making progress in anything - money and
time.
The concept is quite simple, and consists
From the link given below:
So, how does the EPA calculate mpg for an electric car? Nissan's presser says
the EPA uses a formula where 33.7 kWhs are equivalent to one gallon of gasoline
energy. Also, the EPA determined the Leaf's efficiency is 3.4 miles per kWh,
another number you can easily
Units of emission should be in units of CO2 emitted in g/km (the same
units
that are used in Europe).
Including the UK.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Martin Vlietstra vliets...@btinternet.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010
As the Phelps report pointed out many years ago, so much time wasted in
schools having to learn two systems. And what does it gain in the end?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: mech...@illinois.edu
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010
Dear all:
This video is a hypothetical enactment of what will happen when the dollar no
longer is the world's reserve currency. It projects this happening as early as
2012 - two years from now.
http://www.bullsource.com/nia-projects-the-day-the-dollar-died/
The interesting thing about this,
It's a good article Pat in the link you provided, and perhaps I can add a
couple of (anecdotal) items supporting your premise:
1. Canadian architects and engineers that I worked with would openly quote two
fee schedules for routine activities such as preparing shop or detail drawings,
one for
A good friend of mine is a professional engineer in Ontario, working for a
company that designs and manufactures parts and sub-assemblies for mostly the
automotive sector but occasionally other industries as well. Almost all of
their work is in SI (as it would be for the auto sector - GM,
Ooops! In my last email I stated: They had to convert all Boeing's dimensions
to imperial equivalents.
That of course should have read: They had to convert all Boeing's dimensions
to metric equivalents.
John F-L
I really hate the term 'metrification'!
How about using 'pseudo-metrication'?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Moore pmo...@asnt.org
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 7:59 PM
Subject: [USMA:49096] Re: USA Treasury defines
Having worked in the building industry for a number of decades as a quantity
surveyor/cost consultant, much (but far from all) of it SI in both Canada
and the UK, millimetres makes the most sense. The centimetre is too big to
be used without having to use decimals of a centimere - in which
It is not solely about tolerances, though they can be critical in certain
operations. For example, a steel beam, pre-drilled with say 6 holes each
end, and designed to bolt on to a column at each end also pre-drilled, may
be 10 000 [10 m] or even 15 000 [15 m] long, yet the tolerance may be no
I'm so happy that Dodge is dropping the whole 'metric' engine displacement
designations for this vehicle. They should do this for the Ram's as well.
392 cubic inches..
And the inch is officially defined as?? If only they knew!
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat
I cannot help but think that the term 'metric ton' should be deprecated.
All SI units (with the exception of degree Celsius) are single name units.
Consequently their symbols are either usually single letters, or at most two
letters where the first is capitalized (e.g Pa). The main exception
The Bahamas - most cars are left hand drive, even though they drive on the
left. The rental cars I had there (one in Nassau, one in Freeport) both had
mph-predominant speedometers, odometers in miles. Fuel sold by the imperial
gallon (4.54 L). Speed limits in mph, but I was told that is
Quite simply, and I speak as someone who has spent many years in the
construction industry, DO NOT USE DECIMALS! Decimal points get lost as
construction drawings become soiled with dirt and concrete splatters, so
that 12.3 cm can all too easily be read as 123 cm [1.23 m]. And when
As we like to shorten the way we say things, like our body dimensions (such as
saying that your are 'five-ten' tall and weigh 'one seventy five'), this makes
sense - you can describe your height as 'one eighty five'. Whether that is
1.85 m or 185 cm, they come to the same thing.
John F-L
Dear all:
In Canada, after a brief period of hard conversion, most construction has
reverted to soft conversion, simply because of some need for compatibility with
the huge US market next door.
Wood studs are mostly soft converted imperial dimensioned - a 2x4 becomes a
39x89. Although most
Ontario, Canada, has also just recently implemented a law on the same lines - 1
m clearance between your car and a cyclist. It came in for some criticism when
cyclists are trying to negotiate roads where the road is already reduced in
width due to snow build-up, and a 1 m gap puts the car into
Being that this is a Canadian article, I would hazard a guess that it is 4 L -
but that is a guess. The reason I suggest 4 L is that windshield washer fluid,
paint and some other liquid products are sold in 4 L containers, and these have
been known to be colloquially referred to as a metric
On Bahn's website at
http://www.bahn.com/i/view/DEU/en/trains/overview/ecic.shtml, which is in
English, the speed of the trains described is shown as 200 km/h.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Martin Vlietstra
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011
[mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
John Frewen-Lord
Sent: 01 January 2011 12:03
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:49380] RE: High speed rail error
On Bahn's website at
http://www.bahn.com/i/view/DEU/en/trains/overview/ecic.shtml, which is in
English, the speed
I assume John your 3x5 card is - cm (a bit small), mm (way too small), meters
(way too big)? You wouldn't be using any other measurement units, would you?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: John M. Steele
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 8:24 PM
On the BBC news (radio) yesterday, they played an interview with a resident of
Rockhampton, who stated that the water depth was already eight point six
metres and still rising - much more and we'll have to evacuate.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S.
Horror! Reporter has culture shock!The American view of the world! Anything
not as America does it is non-standard, wrong, etc, etc. Reminds me of an old
quip my mother once told me, about when I was in the Scouts, and we were
marching in some parade. I was out of step, and got severely
From the Toronto Star - a big move of a beer fermenter from Germany to
Toronto. Article, as is normal for Canadian newspapers, totally metric
(listen up, British press), and the only sour note is the use of kgs instead
of kg in the Toronto Star generated graphic..
John F-L
R value is thermal resistance in imperial/USC units. The equivalent in SI
is RSI, which is what is used in Canada. From Wikipedia:
Around most of the world, R-values are given in SI units, typically
square-metre kelvins per watt or m²·K/W (or equivalently to m²·°C/W). In the
United States
Excellent letter Paul - but will the President of the USA ever get to read it
for himself?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Paul Trusten
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:08 PM
Subject: [USMA:49629] U.S. changeover to the metric system of
In respect of Item No 2, emphasize that there is a financial PAYBACK for the
whole country (as well as the individual contributors) in not having to deal
with dual measures (and there are probably some who don't realise that there is
no such thing as USC-only). As the Phelps study showed,
My son, who lives about 120 km north of Toronto, Ontario, sent me this picture
a week ago. -35 C - now THAT's cold.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 6:12 AM
Subject: [USMA:49707] Re: And a Canadian
I think the error in these calculations was pointed out before, but just to
recap..
Snow is 10% density of rain (agreed - this is an average figure, but is used,
for example, in National Building Code of Canada short form calculations).
Therefore 80 cm of snow - 8 cm of rain = 80 mm of
A famous English author, Arnold Bennett (1867-1931), made a number of
quotations, one of which was:
Any change, even a change for the better, is always accompanied by drawbacks
and discomforts.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
BBC article on NASA Stardust spacecraft Tempel 1 flyby. 100% SI and not a
conversion to be seen.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12433138
John F-L
When I lived in Canada, we sometimes would grade our snow as slushy, fluffy,
crunchy, squeaky.
Slushy - 0 to -3.
Fluffy - -3 to -12.
Crunchy - -12 to -25.
Squeaky - anything below -25.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent:
I go back to my (private) note to Paul when he originally came out with this
calculation - the rain/snow ratio can be expressed simply as 0.07.
No units. This is the way we use scales in architecture (and engineering,
quantity surveying, etc). Unlike imperial (e.g 1/8th inch = 1 foot), we
Correction to my previous email - that was to Jim F, not Paul T.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Martin Vlietstra vliets...@btinternet.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 7:04 PM
Subject: [USMA:49877] Re: Snow ratios
Hi Pat,
Indeed, in North America, masonry sizes are 'nominal', and the actual sizes
allow for a 10 mm mortar joint. That is true whether the units are dimensioned
in metric or imperial.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Bill Hooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday,
As all construction in the UK is metric, I don't see how Westinghouse is going
to be able to design a structure in imperial units. All UK engineering codes
are metric (and limit states as well, which inherently are metric), and no
engineer in the UK can design to these codes using non-metric
Well, the ride took about 3 min 15 s, which at 2 km yields and average speed of
37 km/h. That is probably not far off as an average, although I'm sure he was
going a lot faster than that for much of the course. I would estimate an
average grade of around 5 to 6%, so 2 km at say 6% does give
Whenever I get a message that starts with 'Dear Friend', I know at best that
it's some crappy salesman trying to sell me something, at worst an insult
from someone who can't even be bothered to look up my name. Very
disappointing.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From:
The National Building Code of Canada specifies all ventilation, air supply and
air extraction rates in either L/s or m3/s. Hope this helps.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Remek Kocz
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: [USMA:50087]
in L/s or in m^3/s for home ventilation, for
home heating and cooling systems, and for smaller fans (e.g. in
computers)?
Original message
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:16:19 -
From: John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
Subject: [USMA:50092] Re: PC Case fans flow measurements
Isn't US Colonial an oxymoron?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: mech...@illinois.edu
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:10 PM
Subject: [USMA:50142] Re: 'Words' and their impact on metrication in the USA
Pierre,
Perhaps the CIPM and
I believe (but don't know for sure) that a technical barrier to trade is
defined as a requirement placed on an imported item that local domestic
manufacturers ans suppliers do not have to meet or adhere to. As long as ALL
manufacturers or suppliers have to meet a requirement, then it is not a
I know that in both Canada and the UK, where the use of the Celsius scale is
now virtually universal (notwithstanding the anti-metric efforts of newspapers
like the Daily Mail), people in casual conversation usually use only 'degrees',
without identifying the scale. Even my 88 year old mother
Sadly, the comment that Remek makes, Why adjust our product to the
world--let's make the world adjust to it. is the American way. I come cross
it so often. Take Windows - those of us in other countries have to spend quite
some time adjusting our settings to measurement and date formats from
Paul:
May I echo James' welcome to this group. I'll keep my background simple. I'm
a retired quantity surveyor (construction cost consultant/economist), and lived
in Canada for 30 years before returning to my 'homeland' (UK) for personal
reasons. I was part of Canada's conversion to SI in
The BBC this morning carried an article on a private rocket launcher by SpaceX,
based in California. The article, at
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12975872 , is metric with
colonial units in parentheses, including dimensions, and thrust (correctly
specified in meganewtons).
The change in Canada from (imperial, not US) gallons was the cause (or at least
one of the causes) of the stalling of the completion of Canada's conversion to
metric. A 'metric martyr' wanted to keep his pumps in gallons, notwithstanding
the change in the law requiring all fuel to be dispensed
And this is exactly how Canadian and UK stations also display their signs.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Paul Trusten
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 9:57 PM
Subject: [USMA:50326] RE: U.S. gasoline prices
Australian gas pumps list the prices
Pity they had to say it was for science nerds and teachers. Those of us
other parts of the world know no other way of measuring fluids.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Moore pmo...@asnt.org
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011
You are S lucky! Pump price for diesel in the UK right now: GBP£1.40/L =
US$2.28/L. Just completed a round trip to see my ailing mother 400 km away.
My car gets 7.8 L/100 km, so total trip fuel cost for the 800 km = circa.
US$142. Still, nothing like high fuel prices to reduce fuel
Warwick Cairns bemoans the supposed loss of tradition and history in the UK and
US by fully adopting the metric system, and that the UK and US would become
less ‘British’ and 'American' as a result. I think he is wrong in making that
assumption. I found Australia to be just as Australian as it
I did pick up on that at the time - busy on other things, so didn't get
around to questioning it!
Cheers
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: James R. Frysinger j...@metricmethods.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:19 PM
Subject:
Interesting that you used toothpaste as an example. Everywhere I've seen
(especially, UK, Canada, Australia, EU), toothpaste is sold in mL, not g. Is
toothpaste sold by mass in the US, not volume? Or is that 'oz' number a
shortened version of floz? Again, another reason to dump that old
Thanks for this Pat. This is actually my neck of the woods (N E Lincolnshire)
- I never realised we were so retarded! I have added my own comment, which
should show up by now.
Cheers
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent:
The problem in getting America (and Britain) to embrace a metric culture:
Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture.
Allen Ginsberg
Born today 1926
attachment: allen%20ginsberg.jpg
Interesting that Jim.
I have actually written a novel, a bit of a thriller (loosely based on a
true story, action takes place in 5 countries on both sides of the
Atlantic). Not a whole lot of measurements in there, but all those that are
in there are of course metric.
Available on Kindle
Absolutely right Martin - what has WM to do with the UK/EU political
situation? Yes, the EU does impose some rules regarding displaying units of
measure, but for the most part it takes a back seat in this - witness the
almost complete deregulation of package sizes.
What needs to be done
Mr Humphreys is proving himself to be a bit of a liar in his anti-metric
campaign (to the point that I might even consider suing him for libel...).
I have a book published on Amazon's Kindle site - Metric Made Me Sick (But I'm
Better Now). There is a US version on Amazon.com, and a UK version
No designer I know of who has successfully transitioned to the metric unit
system for PCB layout wants to go back to the imperial unit system. That
statement alone says it all.
That surely is true for everything. This is what was said in the British
Parliament when the British were first
it
much thought - as you say, it has to be VERY consumer-friendly, but that is
something that appeals to me very much,
Cheers
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Kilopascal
To: John Frewen-Lord ; U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA
Going back to the original ASDA 'initiative' over the packaging of
strawberries, the BBC carried an article today concerning reduced package sizes
(while keeping the price the same) on just about everything on the supermarket
shelves. Interestingly, the change in strawberries from 500 g to 454
Pat:
I think in all of these discussions of cm vs mm, we are not talking necessarily
of apples and oranges. There is a case for both units - but in different
circumstances.
In the case of a particular industry (e.g. construction, or automotive), or a
particular company that has decided to go
I suggested in a post some time ago that McDonalds is missing a trick here.
On another subject here just recently we talked about downsizing product
package sizes while keeping the price the same. McD's could easily rename
their QP as Big 100 ( as a companion to Big Mac?). 100 g for the price
Brij:
There has been a lot of inflation on various fronts over the last year or so.
Cattle feed has skyrocketed (according to a farmer friend in my neck of the
woods), fuel has gone up drastically, etc, etc. This has pushed up the cost of
producing a kg of beef substantially. Selling prices
A golf course in my neck of the woods (N E Lincolnshire, UK) is dual measured.
I will ask a good friend of mine, who is a keen golfer, lives in Canada, and
has played in Oz and NZ, how they are measured in those countries.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Parker Willey Jr.
From my colleague in Canada:
As John said below, all the courses in Canada he's played on (primarily Ontario
and BC), are only in yards.
All the courses he played on in Oz and NZ are only in metres.
The one course I mentioned near where I live in the UK, dual marked, was built
only 9 years
Do not be sorry! Your post was like a breath of fresh air, and a very
interesting and illuminating read. America could use so many more like you.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Zach Rodriguez
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 11:11 AM
Subject:
I wonder how Cairns, Humphreys, et al will respond to this interesting bit of
history
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 1:38 AM
Subject: [USMA:50727] French Weights and Measures Association (FWMA)
Dear All,
As a British/Canadian, Bill, I would agree with most of what you say.
Regarding the elevator, (and I used to work in the construction industry), most
likely it was an American-made elevator (Otis? Schindler?), who added the kg
figure (and incorrect symbol) as an afterthought to comply with
.
[USMA:50753] Re: metric in Canada
John Frewen-Lord
Sun, 26 Jun 2011 13:41:31 -0700
As a British/Canadian, Bill, I would agree with most of what you say.
Regarding the elevator, (and I used to work in the construction industry), most
likely it was an American-made elevator (Otis
It's likely this could be done by the dealer, but this then would be a one time
conversion, not something you could switch back and forth between. Some Hondas
sold in the UK were completely switchable on the lines you are looking for, so
I would think that Honda has that capability embedded in
However, 140 km/h would definitely attract the attentions of the OPP in
Ontario.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Michael Payne
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:14 AM
Subject: [USMA:50783] Re: Automobiles w/ metric options
I've noticed
of the autobahn (no speed limit) while the French police
would probably turn a blind eye (max speed on the autoroute - 130 km/h).
--
From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
John Frewen
.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 03:26, John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
wrote:
In the fairly recent past, yes. But unlikely today. Late last year, we
toured extensively in France and Spain, and met up with a French couple for
dinner in the delightful town of Anjouleme in SW France
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