The reference is to Isaiah 11 verse 6
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall
lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling
together; AND A LITTLE CHILD SHALL LEAD THEM.
And the Master's Tablet to Miss F. Drayton says:
**inna dhaalika
Susan: Dear Ron and Sandra, I think Abdu'l-Baha's
knowledge of English may well have been adequate to understand
people without an interpreter much of the time, at least by
the time He left America. I suspect speaking English back to
them may have been more of a problem. But when a
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 05:02:22 -0900, Sandra Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susan: Dear Ron and Sandra, I think Abdu'l-Baha's
knowledge of English may well have been adequate to understand
people without an interpreter much of the time, at least by
the time He left America. I suspect
In
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43013.html
Gilberto writes:
Gilberto:
Do you have any insight as to why that might be appealing? Personally,
I don't think the religion is so much about authority or that
individual anyway. I like religions more based on principles, like
Taoism and
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43028.html
In the above missive
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43028.html
my dear Gilberto writes:
In Islam, especially among Sufis if you think about concepts like the
Perfect Man or the
Qut.b, in a certain sense Muslims might even
Hi, Gilberto,
At 08:42 AM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
I didn't closely follow the omniscience discussion so I'm not sure if
specific claims along these lines were made in the Bahai writings regarding
Abdul-Baha but aren't both *knowing* how to understand a language and
*knowing* how to speak a
[Yusuf Ali]
034.029
They say: When will THIS PROMISE (come to pass) if ye are telling the
truth?
034.030
Say: The APPOINTMENT TO YOU IS FOR A DAY, which ye cannot put
back for an hour nor put forward.
Dear Khazeh, when I read passages like the above, they generally make
me think of my
In
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43030.html
My brother Gilberto writes:
**Dear Khazeh, when I read passages
like the above, they generally make
me think of my individual death. If they referred
mainly to
world-historical eschatological events then
it is only meaningful to a
Hi, Gilberto,
At 10:02 AM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
But isn't that kind of continuity still very different from what Bahais are
asserting. That's what I was trying to get across earlier.
Yes, it is different. I mentioned it as an example of one of the tendencies I
see in many of the religions (as I
Hi, Gilberto,
At 10:46 AM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
It seems bizzare to say the dispensation of Muhammad didn't start until the
disappearance of the last imam.
It was the Lesser Occultation (al-ghaybat al-sughra), not the Dispensation of
Muhammad, which is believed to have started after the death
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:06:41 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43028.html
In the above missive
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43028.html
my dear Gilberto writes:
In Islam, especially among Sufis if you think about
Oops.
The Greater Occultation (al-ghaybat al-kubra) began after the death of the
third of the four abvab (babs) - the intercessors between the Twelfth Imam
and Muslims.
The ***last***of the four abvab.
With regards, Mark A. Foster * 15 Sites: http://markfoster.net
Sacred cows make the
I've heard this accusation alot from Bahais but I don't believe it is
valid. I think there is a very big and clear distinction between
saying that God can't do something and that God didn't do something.
Dear Gilberto,
The Jews never said God couldn't literally do something. They were basically
In a message dated 1/1/2005 2:04:00 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And in fact, it is amainstream theological claim the the physical universe doesn't haveany staying power of its own and that moment to moment to moment, Godis constantly recreating everything over and over
In the following Letter dear Gilberto you write:
*
Gilberto:
But assuming this is true, how do you distinguish between someone who
is validly changing the law (if such a thing is possible) and someone
who is illegitimately doing so?
Gilberto:
I understand that this is your opinion. All
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:45:50 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Yusuf Ali]
034.029
They say: When will THIS PROMISE (come to pass) if ye are telling the
truth?
034.030
Say: The APPOINTMENT TO YOU IS FOR A DAY, which ye cannot put
back for an hour nor put forward.
According to comments made by Susan in a different context, the
concept of Manifestation corresponds somewhat to the concept of
Perfect Man. And I would say that although Islam would say there
aren't new prophets after Muhammad, it is possible for there to be
Perfect Men after the Muhammad.
Dear
Fair enough. Then I'll just say that personally it comes off is really
insulting, especially when Bahais make not dissimilar claims about
what kinds of people God will or won't send in the future.
Peace
Gilberto
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I've
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In a message dated 1/1/2005 2:04:00 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And in fact, it is a
mainstream theological claim the the physical universe doesn't have
any staying power of its own and that
In a message dated 1/1/2005 3:39:31 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gilberto:The point isn't that it is an argument against more manifestations (ormore precisely the non-finality of prophethood.). The point is that itis another way to understand the Quranic statements which
Dear Gilberto
After giving you my warmest I am just slowly going through your kind letters
and the part I think (!) by the grace of God I mar respectfully answer. (As
I was posting this I am in receipt of other letters from your productive pen
which I have to think about later tonight after
Some descriptions I've seen of the concept of Perfect Man are rather
exalted. So even if Bahais might use the term a little more liberally
than the term Manifestation they seem to be rather similar. At least
from what I remember what you had actually said was that the term
manifestation was used a
Dear Gilberto
I really liked your letter below. Truly one can say reading this that the
Spirit of God working through your knowledge of the Islamic Dispensation has
warmed your soul [Nafs] your spirit [Ruh.] and your mind ['aql]
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43042.html
We are
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:17:12 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Khazeh:
In one sense one should go beyond a discussion over Names. If you dear
Gilberto wish to look at the Writings of Baha'u'llah as that emanating from
a WALI then that is certainly a start.
Gilberto:
But
My dear Gilberto
Everything you wrote is received by my mind and heart with affection and
love apart from your comment below re Baha'u'llah and not seeing the green.
I swear by God [Allah] this last point is not fair were you to have read and
seen what I have seen.
At least I could say in all
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:42:55 -, Khazeh Fananapazir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My dear Gilberto
Dear Khazeh,
Everything you wrote is received by my mind and heart with affection and
love apart from your comment below re Baha'u'llah and not seeing the green.
I swear by God [Allah] this
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My dear Gilberto
Dear Khazeh,
Everything you wrote is received by my mind and heart with affection and
love apart from your comment below re Baha'u'llah and not seeing the
green.
I swear by God [God] this last point is not fair were you to have read and
seen
http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist/m43042.html
Khazeh:
The Abrogation of the Shari'ah is really within the Will [Mashiyyat] of t
he
Supreme Ordainer, exalted be His Names and Attributes.
That's the claim you are making. And that's probably one of the
essential points of difference between
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 17:37:51 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then I'll just say that personally it comes off is really
insulting,
Dear Gilberto,
I'm sure the Jews find that statement in the Qur'an insulting as well. In
fact, I know they do.
That's fine. And if that's how a
Dear Khazeh,
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to get across. I realize
that many prophets and messengers suffered, and were persecuted and
underwent many difficulties. All I'm saying is that suffering in
doesn't prove that one is a prophet or messenger.
Peace
Gilberto
On Sat, 1
Hi, Gilberto,
At 06:33 PM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
Saying that a second Guardian must necessarily satisfy certain literal
criteria in terms of bloodline or saying that a Manifestation can come no
sooner than 1000 literal years after Bahaullah said is just as much an
example of typing up God's
Saying that a second Guardian must necessarily satisfy certain literal
criteria in terms of bloodline or saying that a Manifestation can come
no sooner than 1000 literal years after Bahaullah said is just as much
an example of typing up God's hands as saying that Muhammad (saaws)
was the last
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 19:10:55 -0600, Mark A. Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, Gilberto,
At 06:33 PM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
Saying that a second Guardian must necessarily satisfy certain literal
criteria in terms of bloodline or saying that a Manifestation can come no
sooner than 1000
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:00:48 -0600, Susan Maneck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Saying that a second Guardian must necessarily satisfy certain literal
criteria in terms of bloodline or saying that a Manifestation can come
no sooner than 1000 literal years after Bahaullah said is just as much
an
Gilberto,
At 08:07 PM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
I think you are looking at only one side of the question and are hung up on
the word prophet (in order to make a seperate probably valid point). What
I'm trying to get across is just that Bahais, in their own way, are also
being restrictive. If
In a message dated 1/1/2005 8:07:56 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If tomorrow, somebody came andclaimed to be the next Manifestation, obedient Bahais would oppose hisor her claim becaues the thousand years isn't up yet. If that personpointed out that both the Quran and the
Baha`u'llah does not tie the hands of God He says what God bids Him to
say.
Dear Scott,
That is precisely Gilberto's point, that Muslims in rejecting any prophet
after Muhammad are simply following what God said.
warmest, Susan
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In a message dated 1/1/2005 10:02:54 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Scott,That is precisely Gilberto's point, that Muslims in rejecting any prophetafter Muhammad are simply following what God said.
Of course, but Baha`u'llah's words about the next Prophet are much
In a message dated 1/1/2005 10:23:55 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
this was
right after Muhammed had developed a signet ring (Seal) for doing business
with Byzantium.
Huh?
I think Muslims put as much stake in what Muhammad supposedly said at His
last sermon
Later in His life Muhammed found it necessary to conduct correspondence with
the Byzantines. They ignored letters that were not sealed a recognizable
seal being a sign of authoirty. It is recounted that Muhammed had a series
of ring seals made to authenticate His correspondence headed to
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Dear Scott,What I don't get is what is your point here?
Well, it shows to me that Muhammed was well aware of the nature of a seal for authentication and validation. So it seems to me that using the term in
In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:57:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The
Qur'an warns against hadith.
Where does it do that?
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In a message dated 1/2/2005 12:14:32 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Qur'an warns against hadith.
Where does it do that?
"Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end
Dear Scott,
I see you have been
visiting Dr. Khalifa's website. ;-} I would be very careful with that material.
He had his own agenda. These verses do not at all refer to the oral traditions
of the prophet. Hadith is a fairly common term meaning 'report.' You will note
that in this
I realize the English translation of those verses is different than I am
used to, but they are quoted from an Islamic site that does not credit
hadith in general.
Dear Scott,
Yes, I noted that. Rashad Khalifa led a Qur'an alone movement which
rejected the hadiths entirely. It made it possible
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