Re: [abcusers] Muse2 - pre-announcement, call for ideas

2002-11-22 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Thanks for your thoughts. My current thinking is to just disable save, which would indeed give you what you want. It looks like I will be implementing this Saturday so I just have some time for some last minute thoughts and changes of mind [looks at clock - oh, it *is* Saturday - well, after I've

Re: [abcusers] Goodbye

2002-11-21 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Sorry - I guess I omitted an apostrophe in the quote. Just my bad grammar. Actually I don't know how to count Gods, so I don't even know what it means for there to be one or more than one. Laurie - Original Message - From: "Forgeot Eric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: We

Re: [abcusers] Goodbye

2002-11-19 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
"...So please respect my right to be grumpy, anti-social, selfish and bitter." Yep. All the best anyway. Once at a crisis point in my life I got an email from an Indian friend who said "always remember that some of Gods greatest gifts come in the form of unanswered prayers". Laurie To subscr

Re: [abcusers] Muse2 for Linux? (was: pre-announcement)

2002-11-19 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Alas, no still Win32 only - (and that has taken me till 1am most nights, maybe this is what these new drug developments like provigil are for...?) Laurie - Original Message - From: "Rick Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 11:52 AM Subject:

Re: [abcusers] repeats and bar numbers

2002-11-19 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
No idea what iabc does but what Muse2 does (trying to get it out the door this week) is that the bars are numbered: |: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 |1 8 :| 8 | 9 | 10 etc. You could call them 8a and 8b I guess, and when unrolled they'd become sort of |: 1&9 | 2&10 | ... |

Re: [abcusers] Multiple Cords for 1 note

2002-11-19 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
If you really want it spelled out for a player program then you write it with ties: "G7"cBAB |1 "C"c2-"F"c2-"C"c4 :|2 "C"c2-"F"c2-"C"c4 |] You have to decide whether you are writing for a machine or writing for a human. (The former is a bit of a mugs game - done far too much of it and they never

[abcusers] Muse2 - pre-announcement, call for ideas

2002-11-19 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Muse2 is now in the final stages, (about three months late). I hope to get it finished this week. Still to go are some fixes for bugs that I found as I was writing the on-line Help and the Registration mechanism. So I am deciding what should be free and what should need paying for. The following

Re: [abcusers] abc drum notation and abc2ps

2002-11-15 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
If it didn't have to be ABC you could use Muse http://www.musements.co.uk/muse which has X, diamond, square or ellipse. However if you then save as ABC that information would not be included in the file. Laurie. - Original Message - From: "Guido Gonzato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "abcusers"

Re: [abcusers]Any french from Quebec

2002-11-14 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Si vous vous interessez en l'Zchange des tounes en ABC, soit QuZbZcois ou non, faites le ici! Vous connaissez le "tune finder" do John Chambers? http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/FindTune.html Ca peut vous etre utile. [If you are interested in swapping tunes in ABC, whether quebecois or not,

Re: [abcusers] The > symbol and abc2midi

2002-11-04 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Muse has the concept of a "performance" MIDI file or an "exchange" MIDI file. The implementation is nothing too special, but I think this concept is the right way to go. For instance, in an exchange MIDI file all the notes will be exactly the lengths that you'd expect from looking at the dots (e.g

[abcusers] Duplicate removal from search engine

2002-11-03 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
| Is there any feasable way to avoid duplicates? I often seem to get the same | version of a tune within search results. I guessing but do people lift abc | from one site and post it to another? Is it feasible to create a "hash code" or "signature" for each tune? Length is a start, but one would

Re: [abcusers] Four-stringed banjos (was: Music Notation)

2002-11-01 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Frank wrote "... I bought ... a ... banjo tears ago..." Wonderful!! I know that t and y are keyboard neighbours but I like to imagine it was a Freudian slip. Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Over the rainbow

2002-10-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
> Curious. Did these work in the abc software you put them > together in? (How's that for a split infinitive?) Actually that is not a split infinitive. You don't need to really bother about them though. Some authorities on English (e.g. Fowler) say that people make fools of themselves trying to

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-31 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
>From: "Buddha Buck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > How would [d6]2[z2B2G2][z2B2G2] work for "first listed note = melody note"? First of all, with any reasonably complex language it's always possible to write things that are syntactically OK but which are pure colourless green nonsense. So just because y

Re: [abcusers] mail-archive.com, the spammer's friend

2002-08-15 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
> I apparently am now on my way to earning a PhD in 8 months. Cool! :-) 8 months is far too long for a PhD! I've had many offers of "instant" ones. I'm hanging out for a D Phil. Meanwhile I shall making a fortune stuffing envelopes and taking part in "100% legal" pyramid selling schemes, cancel

Re: [abcusers] suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-14 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
OK. If you say so, then it isn't weird. "First note is the one to match the words to" sounds possible, but we need to understand what this might mean. X:0 T:Three blind mice L:1/8 M:4/4 K:Gmaj Q:1/4=240 [B4 d]fed [A4c]edc | [G8 B/]c/B/c/ B/c/B/c/ B4 || w:Three blind mice My understanding is th

Re: [abcusers] suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-14 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Using w: together with a line in which there are written-out chords with different durations of notes starting simultaneously seems pretty weird to me. (But I suppose one man's weird is often another's normal). However if it is allowed then I have to go with Toni. That meshes with John's Rules

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-13 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
How is that supposed to look and sound? Muse makes it look and sound funny. There is a slur mark on every note, caused by those () did you mean []? And they are funny slurs because they just perch on one note rather than combining several (because the other thing in the slur is invisible). It pl

[abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-13 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
[shrug] Well he asked for examples... - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can't be bothered to argue the minutiae... To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-13 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
[Nothing quoted here] Well, Bryan, if I'd quoted the whole damn thread it would have made the post kinda long!! I left out Wil's comment because he was talking about the melody note and I'd already said that I have some sympathy with the notion that the melody note goes first. I still do. I do

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-12 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Bryan wrote "I know you've been away Laurie but this has been discussed at some length for over a week now. A variety of people have given their reasons and examples. Perhaps if you would care to read the whole thread you could come up with specific reasons why you disagree and why you think "sho

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-12 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Muse as released does *not* use the "shortest note wins" rule. In fact it's pretty restrictive which can make it a pain for keyboard users. At the moment I'm doing a major rewrite (called Muse2) which is aimed at 1. Choral singers (better control over playback - done) 2. Keyboard players (live M

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-11 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Is it legal abc to have a rest in a chord? For instance: X:0 T:Example L:1/8 M:4/2 K:G [zG8 B8 d8]gfe dcBA G8 Failing that we really do need the number on the end like X:1 T:Example L:1/8 M:4/2 K:G [G8 B8 d8]1gfe dcBA G8 Note that one might need single note "chords" with a length. This leads

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-11 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Laurie: I've been transcribing choruses of The Messiah. Phil: If you're doing something that complicated you have to be using multiple voices anyway...to represent the two hands unambiguously. Well Muse has a serious problem in using multiple voices for a piano part. (I would guess Bryan's Notewo

Re: [abcusers] Re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-10 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I've been transcribing choruses of The Messiah. The voices are of course monophonic, but piano accompaniments have all sorts of nasties. I have found that shortest note determines when next note starts works well. You can always add a rest or two if that's not what you wanted. Laurie - Or

Re: [abcusers] re : suggestions for [A4A2] notation

2002-08-10 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Muse2 (out shortly) takes the attitude that the shortest note in a chord controls the onset of the next thing. If the longest note would extend over a bar then that's a minor error that the user can use the GUI to correct. Given a whole bunch of different durations it first does tails up at the t

[abcusers] Phrygian major

2002-07-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Here is another phrygian mode flamenco piece. I transcribed this from the playing of Philip John Lee. The rhythm is very approximate and it doesn;t fit ABC at all well. The tonic is obviously F# when you hear it played (actually he plays it with a capo on fret 2 so you could call that G#) and fl

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I think it was Bryan that wrote "Whichever you like as long as you specify all the notes unambiguosly." It has just occurred to me that the notion that the notes are in some way more fundamental than the mode is actually wrong. It assumes that the tune is always played/sung the same way. That d

Re: [abcusers] ABC software in reference libraries

2002-07-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Actually Muse isn;t locked up quite that badly - it will turn ABC into tadpoles on the screen. What it won't do is play or print. Maybe I should make Muse2 so that it will *play* ABC for free. (It's a one-line change so I may be able to find the time). L. - Original Message - From: "J

Re: [abcusers] Modes without the maths

2002-07-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
John Chambers wrote "...That "phrygian major" sounds a lot like what the people to the south and east of Spain call "hejaz" and klezmer musicians call "freygish". Phrygian with a raised 3rd ..." Yes. In Ephr, the ^G from the E major in the harmony creeps into the tune now and again. But for m

[abcusers] Phrygian major

2002-07-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Well there are a few odd pieces that one or two list members have unearthed that seem to be really the Greek phrygian mode in that they resolve on to a chord which is a triad starting from the tonic. e.g. in EPhr that's E G B or an E minor chord. They know more than I do. I don't understand tha

[abcusers] Modes without the maths

2002-07-22 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Tonic is important because it says where the tune is going. Mode is important because it says how the tune is going to get there. If a tune is in an open key (no white notes on the harpsichord) then in the major (or "Ionian") mode the obvious harmony is the "three chord trick" C, G7 and F. The

[abcusers] Sidmouth

2002-07-22 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Anyone going to Sidmouth this year? One of the better moments of last year was when I was introduced to Richard Robinson last year. If we had not happened to have a mutual friend in Carole Turner we would never have met or if we had, never have recognised each other. (By the way he is an impres

Re: [abcusers] Key/Mode algorithm

2002-07-21 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
For what it's worth I have implemented this in Muse2 (which I do hope to get out the door soon). I've used Phil's numbers exactly. I note that you don't distinguish between Aeolian and minor - whereas I'd expect a piece in A minor to attract some E7 harmonies with ^g leading notes - and indeed e

Re: [abcusers] Re: keys & modes (was: tune finder)

2002-07-14 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I have to agree with Henrik. My experience is that many musicians (including some quite good ones who really ought to know better) do one of two things. They either say an Edor tune is in D (which is silly as it spends it's time flirting briefly with D and then homing back to E just as a piece i

Re: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers

2002-07-08 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Do you explicitly require that it plays music that is in NWC format? Laurie - Original Message - From: "Guido Gonzato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ABC users ML" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: [abcusers] a request to talented programmers hello, Windows use

Re: [abcusers] The (illegal) sounds of silence

2002-07-06 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I'm incredibly mortified. I apologise for my ignorance. Are all three movements the same length? Do they add up to 4'33 or is that the length of each? This is a real challenge for a player program. I presume that an authentic computer performance must come up with some sort of opening noise a

Re: [abcusers] The (illegal) sounds of silence

2002-07-04 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
My recollection was that someone else started it but gave a transcription which did have silence, but did not have exactly the right length of silence. Whether it is 4'11" or 4'13" is clearly incredibly (sic) important and I do hope I didn't get the wrong one. Laurie - Original Message -

Re: [abcusers] Question about rhythm notation

2002-07-03 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
According to Gerou and Lusk in their Essential Dictionary of Music Notation, "Because of the ease in reading of beams, the use of flags in vocal music - in relation to the lyric - has become obsolete". So I guess it's at least contentious. (Out of 161 pages they devote 12 whole pages to beams).

Re: [abcusers] Intergalactic naming conventions.

2002-07-03 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Let's see; Scotland does have its own parliament now, but it doesn't have its own army or navy, so it must be a dialect (and an inferior one at that ;-). I'd better wait and see what Jack and Phil say - but there seem to me to be many Scotsmen that consider their variant of English a separ

Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general

2002-06-30 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Ages ago Eric said programs should "... - follow the general convention for shortcuts ("ctrl + c" for copy, "ctrl + a" for select all etc.)" I'm just looking at this in Muse. The problems is that a clip has a musical context described in Muse by Clef, Key signature, transpose, capo and accidenta

Re: [abcusers] Intergalactic naming conventions.

2002-06-30 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
... And the English think that English is the language that the English speak!! Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Muse

2002-06-28 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Actually I have to say that my original intention when producing Muse was to be able to produce music so that I could read it (I am not the best of sight-readers so it has to be fairly clear) and someone standing behind me reading over my shoulder could read it - because that happens in gigs somet

Re: [abcusers] Anarchy

2002-06-27 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Yawn. Sigh. Look. If you think you are the only fellow allowed an opinion then you are crazy, so I'll presume that you don't think that and you agree that others can have theirs. That includes me. You are for ever (and it has got boring) quoting people out of context and misquoting people. W

Re: [abcusers] Muse

2002-06-27 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Thanks. Muse2 (hopefully out in another month or so) has prettier notes. The restriction on different notes starting at the same time has gone away. that probably blows away some of your tab problems too. The options for setting up tab generation are probably going to be fixed in the release afte

Re: [abcusers] modes (again)

2002-06-27 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Laurie>Sure, but I've seen quite a few tunes with K:D and then every single C in the piece naturalised. In those cases invariably the description is half right - the tonic D is right, but the mode is wrong. Eric> so does it means the right notation was to write K:Dm ? Probably K:Ddor Dm tends

Re: [abcusers] Re: Modes (and iabc & skink)

2002-06-26 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
John Chambers wrote: "...But one of the real problems with the tonic+mode is that there's a lot of abc out there that simply has it wrong" Sure, but I've seen quite a few tunes with K:D and then every single C in the piece naturalised. In those cases invariably the description is half ri

Re: [abcusers] Re: Modes (and iabc & skink (and ABC standards processes))

2002-06-26 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
The process is what is properly called "Anarchy" which means there are no rulers. Actually there are rules, probably even some written ones, definitely some unwritten, probably some written but wrong, but there are no rulers and no police with any power. This has many consequences. I suggest we

Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general

2002-06-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
in general yes, and cursed be those who would wish to force us to play in Eb on guitar! I often wondered is those chords on some sheet music were put there by someone who has never played guitar! Don "Laurie (ukonline)" wrote: > One reason for preferring sharps for guitar

Re: [abcusers] Otche Nash

2002-06-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
TECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] Otche Nash When the tranlation is entered in the ABC, will someone post the ABC for it again? Thanks. Rick On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:23:44 +0100 "Laurie (ukonline)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general

2002-06-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Remember that accordions also have chord buttons. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general >I often wondered is those chords on some sheet >music

Re: [abcusers] Otche Nash

2002-06-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
The penny has just dropped. (It's hard reading these transliterations). It's the Lord's Prayer! Otche is approximately "atyets" (stress the "yets") = father. Nash = "our". I bet you can now manage to translate all the other words and if you count the lines carefully you might even know whether

Re: [abcusers] Otche Nash

2002-06-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Guido said :"...Sorry for not providing the original Russian lyrics,..., I'll be glad to accept them." I'm trying to get a Russian friend of mine to supply them and if she comes up with the goods I'll type them in. L. To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/li

Re: [abcusers] Question about rhythm notation

2002-06-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
If you ever try importing a MIDI file you rapidly realise that this is a simple case. Any non-Balkan time signature has a standard division into beats and subdivisions (beyond some point it's just continual dividing by two). You pad up to the next whole beat in steadily increasing multiples. Use

Re: [abcusers] Question about rhythm notation

2002-06-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
The attitude that I take in Muse is that Muse does beaming automatically, so I disregard the beaming information in the ABC. I can argue both sides of this, but the argument for this action is that fundamentally ABC is about describing the music, not the printed page. What Muse does is to *trans

Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general

2002-06-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
One reason for preferring sharps for guitar chords is that if they are actually to be played on a *guitar*, you can always move a shape up the neck by a fret, so that I can immediately think of several ways to play A#. Of course they need barlocks, but there's not always a way round that. On the

Re: [abcusers] Re: transposition and modes

2002-06-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
| >Of course if a key signature had a note flatted and the music had it | >double-sharped then (1) a triple-sharp would be needed and (2) the input | >file is silly anyway so who cares? | | No (1) is wrong because accidentals are absolute, rather than relative. Beg to differ. If it was flatted i

[abcusers] Re: transposition and modes

2002-06-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Laurie> Why does transposition need to understand the mode? Laura> Currently, the abc2midi transposer only understands the key signature. So if I have a piece in D dorian, and I transpose it up 3 half notes, the transposed output is in Ab. It should be in F dorian. Oh, is that all? I would ha

Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general

2002-06-22 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
From: "Jack Campin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ! ! !Here are a few more application-level things that might make life !easier: !We need: ! * transposition (which understands the mode of what's being ! transposed) ! ! Why does transposition need to understand the mode? Am I missing something

Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general

2002-06-22 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
| >- add keyboard shortcuts for every command (or for the most used | >at least) | | Yes, although with over 100 menu commands there aren't enough | keys to go round. I think I counted that Muse has about 70 shortcuts defined (so there's heavy use of Ctrl+this and Shift+that). It would be a very

Re: [abcusers] iabc, and features expected in softwares in general

2002-06-22 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Interesting. The thing that has bothered me for a long time is whether being able to have files dropped on you is worth a megabyte of download time. When I built Muse I avoided MFC because the instant you touch it the file size goes up by a megabyte (it may be more). Now it may be possible to b

Re: [abcusers] Music Engraving Today

2002-06-20 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I tend to use "Essential Dictionary of Music Notation" by Tom Gerou and Linda Lusk. ISBN 0-88284-768-6 It's clear and it's short. - Original Message - From: "Bob Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: [abcusers] Music Engraving T

Re: [abcusers] about Otche Nash

2002-06-19 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Why not include the Cyrillic? Anyone who puts it into the right font will then see the original. Remember those spam messages? Âîñìîæíî! (Transliteration: vasmozhno! Translation: It's possible!) Laurie - Original Message - From: "Guido Gonzato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [abcusers] Re: Antialiasing

2002-06-15 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Yes - I am absolutely sure that it was not in the master copy because I made a complete fool of myself telling him that he should have printed one copy and photocpied it. He said that is what had been done. I said "no way" or words to that effect and he said that as he had done it himself, perso

Re: [abcusers] "Embro, Embro" CD-ROM

2002-06-13 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I haven't messed with music in pdf enough to be sure if it can happen, but if a staff line is only a single row of pixels then simple-minded algorithms can sometimes drop the row altogether and that is a complete disaster. Incidentally, I make sure that I keep the master copies of the music for o

Re: [abcusers] "Embro, Embro" CD-ROM

2002-06-13 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Too true! I remember having a *lot* of "fun" with Muse over just such pixellation-on-screen and spacing problems in the early days. L. - Original Message - From: "Phil Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ... Acrobat Reader doesn't understand music, and (for example) doesn't know that staff lines

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-06 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I have performed magic on stage in the past. There was of course always a mundane behind-the-scenes explanation of what appeared to happen, there was some effort needed to implement the tricks, some people to whom credit was due, etc. It's definitely magic. Laurie - Original Message - F

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-05 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
JC's tune finder is magic. For instance I was at the last M27 Megabop which Rufus Returns played at. They played one number I really liked but I was unable to learn it there and then (no Mozart, I). I went to Chipenham Folk Festival last weekend and someone played it in the English Session in th

Re: [abcusers] P: Field

2002-06-05 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Phil asked in passing "(Do any player programs other than BarFly currently implement part-order playing in multivoice tunes? If so, how do they do it?)" Muse doesn't. When I wrote the playing stuff I couldn't figure out how P: was supposed to interact with repeat structures, let alone voices -

Re: [abcusers] Some minor complaints about abc

2002-06-04 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Don Parrish-Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> had a wish-list. Here's how Muse shapes up (no, it's not 100%, though if I were a beginner user I might think it was until I discovered the fine details). > 1. Enter guitar TAB, tool creates sheet music and TAB as you go. Yes >2. Ability to add lyrics and gui

Re: [abcusers] Some minor complaints about abc

2002-06-04 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Buddha wrote"... Other tools, like Muse, are full-fledged score-editing programs like I assume MusicTime is, but will read and write abc as well." Actually, my frustration with MusicTime was the last straw that drove me to develop Muse! Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: ht

Re: [abcusers] resons for using abc

2002-06-04 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Atte: "speed? I think I'm faster in abc than I used to be in encore, but I'm not sure..." Phil: "When using a graphical music editor to type music in from a score, this is what you spend most time doing: *Look at the score, see that the next note is A and it's 1/8. etc" OUCH! Get Muse! OK - I

Re: [abcusers] Re: The F > F (and F > F2) problems

2002-05-30 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Frank asked "I really wonder what the results from other abc applications are." Well, (deep breath) Muse didn't like it a lot. It generates a bug report saying "ABC ties don't match Muse ties. Please report this bug to me." That is one of quite a learge number of messages in Muse that are neve

Re: [abcusers] Fingering for instruments... (was : To tell the dancer from the dance)

2002-05-29 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
> abcm2ps allows > !0!C!1!D !2!E!3!F !4!G!5!A !+!B c > to display nice numbers above staff and > the w: field to display them below... The above looks pretty hideous and if you put the fingerings in w:, where do you put the words? Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://w

Re: [abcusers] The F > F (and F > F2) problems

2002-05-27 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Phil Wrote" Laurie wrote "My vote is 1. Deprecated..." Er, what are you proposing to deprecate?" Sorry - too hasty. Deprecate > or < between unequal length notes such as F>F2 or F2>F. As to how much time to transfer - well given that it's already deprecated this is getting picky - I'd just sa

Re: [abcusers] Re: To tell the dancer from the dance

2002-05-26 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Well of course you need to specify the tuning for tablature. (Muse will handle *any* tuning, including balalaika where two strings are on the same pitch and left-handed guitar played right-handed where the treble string is nearest the ceiling). The only interesting question is "how much of this,

Re: [abcusers] The F > F (and F > F2) problems

2002-05-26 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I play in two bands. In one of them we tend to play hornpipes as though they were written in 12/8 (indeed I've heard other musicians call some of the tunes "12/8 hornpipes". In the other, one of the musicians tends to play *everything* dotted and hornpipes very dotted - at least 3:1. It's very

Re: [abcusers] Re: To tell the dancer from the dance

2002-05-26 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Well, I think that an annotation that says that something is supposed to be played on bagpipes (no, I don't have any) would be *at* *least* as important musically as one that says it's to be played like a hornpipe. Now there's nothing to stop you from playing a bagpipe tune on a concertina, just

Re: [abcusers] To tell the dancer from the dance

2002-05-26 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Phil commented "The criterion of musical relevance is certainly something we should consider when discussing extensions to the language, but I don't think it's of overriding importance." I agree. Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] The F > F (and F > F2) problems

2002-05-25 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
My vote is 1. Deprecated 2. Transfer fixed time to keep total constant (sorry Phil) I have no idea what Muse does - I kinds hope it screams "murder!". L. - Original Message - From: "Phil Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: [abcu

Re: [abcusers] To tell the dancer from the dance

2002-05-25 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Frank Evil Grin Nordberg challenged "Can anybody come up with a clear and consise definition (in twenty words or less) of the difference between musically relevant and purely notational features?" A difference between two pieces of notation is musically relevant if and only if it means they shoul

Re: [abcusers] Percussion notation...

2002-05-25 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
"Atte Andre Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote"I don't care how my abc playes, and looking back on the descussion about ^f-|f a couple of months ago obviously abc2midi is only to be considered a toy, so I guess the rest of the comunity feels the same as me..." abc2midi is not the only application

Re: [abcusers] Percussion notation...

2002-05-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
> On Fri, 24 May 2002, Laurie (ukonline) wrote: > > Well as Muse already has diamond, cross square (oh, and the usual ellipse) > > for note heads, the answer is about minus three years for the formatting, > > GUI editing, printing, etc. > How does the abc look for t

Re: [abcusers] Percussion notation...

2002-05-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I think I'd be in favour of something that went in K: to say "what follows are to be interpreted as percussion symbols". It seems to me that what the key signature does is to define how the following notes are to be interpreted (this one is sharp, that one is not and so forth) and it's merely a g

Re: [abcusers] Percussion notation...

2002-05-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
> There isn't much use of 'x' as a non-printing rest (yet). There's enough that I implmented the damn thing and I don't want to start unimplementing it and making exceptions. Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] Percussion notation...

2002-05-24 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
> Hmmm ... Y'know; that might not be too difficult. For the "x" note > heads, it would have been nice if 'x' hadn't been already taken up as > an invisible rest; it would have made an intuitively-correct modifier > for this purpose. Maybe we could use '*' for this purpose, so the *e > would be

Re: [abcusers] äÌÑ ÄÉÒÅËÔÏÒÁ ... WQKOIKFYMT

2002-05-17 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
The title appears to be nonsense, the rest is Russian with the odd English word. I only had a quick look, but I think it was advertising mass-mailing tools. The first thing after the heading said "Buy our disk. You will get a truly marketing mechanism." The represents Moshnyeyshee, a word no

Re: [abcusers] Chords

2002-04-23 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Muse will play them. (Muse is not alone in this, in fact I think there are lots of programs that will). Laurie - Original Message - From: "Karl Dallas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: RE: [abcusers] Chords Very interesting. Is

Re: [abcusers] jcabc2ps and mystery breton tune

2002-04-22 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Oh, Lord! I never realised that Bretons had been treated like that! Laurie - Original Message - From: "Quiniou Rene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [abcusers] jcabc2ps and mystery breton tune Kerfank means "camp of mud". The

Re: [abcusers] Wanted: a good strathspey for fiddle in Bb

2002-04-17 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
unity of Cape Breton fiddlers in Boston, so lots of strathspeys get played there. wil -Original Message- From: Laurie (ukonline) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 4/16/2002 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] Wanted: a good strathspey for fiddle in Bb Dishonest answer: Yes - but then you have to m

Re: [abcusers] Wanted: a good strathspey for fiddle in Bb

2002-04-16 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Dishonest answer: Yes - but then you have to mess about with it until it plays well on the fiddle. And it seemed to me that some people might have already done that work! Honest answer: I don't have *any* strathspeys in my repertoire (I live in the South of England, that's a long way from Scot

[abcusers] Wanted: a good strathspey for fiddle in Bb

2002-04-16 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
I need a good strathspey to play on the fiddle in the key of B flat major. Any suggestions? Laurie To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html

Re: [abcusers] The virtues of handling music graphically

2002-04-16 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Buddha Buck wrote off-list (the best place) to the effect that One thing I hear from your comment is that the MS Apps folks had access to pre-release API's to base their apps on. Which meant that the MS App folks got a head-start on development on the new versions and I replied (off-list) Cor

Re: [abcusers] The virtues of handling music graphically

2002-04-14 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
You seemed to miss the point. I *was* in MS. Which part of MS were you in? Laurie - Original Message - From: "Gary J Sibio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [abcusers] The virtues of handling music graphically At 10:38 AM 4/14

Re: [abcusers] The virtues of handling music graphically

2002-04-14 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
ubject: Re: [abcusers] The virtues of handling music graphically Rick writes: | "Laurie (ukonline)" wrote: | | > No, sorry - no Linux version. | > | > (You mean Linux doesn't have a Windows emulation subsystem!!) | | Shudder!!! (To the backdrop of loud wailing and gnashi

Re: [abcusers] The virtues of handling music graphically

2002-04-13 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
ling music graphically Am Samstag, 13. April 2002 01:05 schrieb Laurie (ukonline): > Nice advert. :-) > the USA. I suppose while we're doing adverts I should add how it can also > translate ABC into guitar tablature (or mandolin, balalaika bouzouki etc). I have mentioned exactl

Re: [abcusers] The virtues of handling music graphically

2002-04-12 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Nice advert. I guess I should "remind" people that Muse is a graphical music editor that imports and exports ABC and costs only £20 which is around $35 for those in the USA. I suppose while we're doing adverts I should add how it can also translate ABC into guitar tablature (or mandolin, balalai

Re: [abcusers] V:

2002-04-10 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Yes, Muse supports this too, and has done for some years, not sure how many. the parts print together in pairs with the notes vertically aligned so that simultaneous notes are below each other. (Actually this piece seems to have thrown up a minor bug - on the harmony line, the first staff has the

Re: [abcusers] Complex Chords in ABC

2002-04-08 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
Did I miss it as it flew by or are you going to tell us what the proposed standard (or STANDARD) meaning for D/A etc. should be? My own guess is that D/A means "any combination of the notes D F# and A in any octaves, so long as it contains at least one of each note and the lowest note of all of t

Re: [abcusers] Complex Chords in ABC

2002-04-07 Thread Laurie (ukonline)
And what exactly does it mean to you? (Faced with this, Muse would currently just interpret the chord up to the first thing outside its limited syntax, so E/A is played as E, D/A is played as D). Laurie - Original Message - From: "Mike Whitaker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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