For those not in the know.
A double double refers to double cream and double sugar in one's
coffee. I think it may be an eastern Canadian thing. I never heard it
said on the west coast. One thing is definitely Ontario is the call
for a 'regular' coffee -- which means one cream and one sugar
Wow! Now it all comes back! I'm not sure if you deserve thanks tho'
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 10-Apr-06, at 5:49 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 02:38 PM 4/10/06 -0400, Gerald Berg wrote:
Thanks for sharing that Dennis. I've sent it to a few friends.
A true double double.
I have evidence
Wow! Now it all comes back! I'm not sure if you deserve thanks tho'
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 10-Apr-06, at 5:49 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 02:38 PM 4/10/06 -0400, Gerald Berg wrote:
Thanks for sharing that Dennis. I've sent it to a few friends.
A true double double.
I have evidence
Wow! Now it all comes back! I'm not sure if you deserve thanks tho'
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 10-Apr-06, at 5:49 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 02:38 PM 4/10/06 -0400, Gerald Berg wrote:
Thanks for sharing that Dennis. I've sent it to a few friends.
A true double double.
I have evidence,
Holy Brian Mulroney's chin, Batman! That looks like Jay Leno!
Christopher
On Apr 10, 2006, at 5:49 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
I have evidence, which David just unearthed from his collection:
http://maltedmedia.com/photos/mac_1a.jpg
http://maltedmedia.com/photos/mac_2a.jpg
At 02:38 PM 4/10/06 -0400, Gerald Berg wrote:
>Thanks for sharing that Dennis. I've sent it to a few friends.
>A true double double.
I have evidence, which David just unearthed from his collection:
http://maltedmedia.com/photos/mac_1a.jpg
http://maltedmedia.com/photos/mac_2a.jpg
Worse and wo
Thanks for sharing that Dennis. I've sent it to a few friends.
A true double double.
Jerry
On 10-Apr-06, at 1:35 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
At 01:07 PM 4/10/06 -0400, Gerald Berg wrote:
A few years back (if a few Canadians recall) MacDonald's briefly used
the Brecht/Weil tune Mack th
On Apr 10, 2006, at 1:07 PM, Gerald Berg wrote:
Here's a double double
Hey, one would have to be Canadian just to understand your opening
reference!
Christopher
(Tim Horton for President of Canada!)
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At 01:07 PM 4/10/06 -0400, Gerald Berg wrote:
>A few years back (if a few Canadians recall) MacDonald's briefly used
>the Brecht/Weil tune Mack the Knife as an advertising jingle -- seems
>what it was really about slipped by them. Then, in a local paper, a
>person wrote in decrying the fact th
What, you mean TWO different people can't screw up the same song at
different competitions? I amazed -- I didn't know there was a quota on
such mistakes. :-)
David H. Bailey
John Bell wrote:
I might believe you if it was you who was judging the competition. As
it is my dollar goes on Darc
Here's a double double
A few years back (if a few Canadians recall) MacDonald's briefly used
the Brecht/Weil tune Mack the Knife as an advertising jingle -- seems
what it was really about slipped by them. Then, in a local paper, a
person wrote in decrying the fact that they had just ruined
I might believe you if it was you who was judging the competition. As
it is my dollar goes on Darcy. I certainly heard the story long ago.
John
On 10 Apr 2006, at 10:38 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote:
I'd believe you if it wasn't told to me by my friend who was
judging the
competition. Sad, bu
I guess I owe you a dollar, Scot.
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On 10 Apr 2006, at 10:38 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote:
I'd believe you if it wasn't told to me by my friend who was
judging the
competition. Sad, but true.
-Scot Hanna-Weir
On 4/
I'd believe you if it wasn't told to me by my friend who was judging the
competition. Sad, but true.
-Scot Hanna-Weir
On 4/10/06 9:35 AM, "Darcy James Argue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I will bet you a dollar this story is just an urban legend.
>
> - Darcy
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I will bet you a dollar this story is just an urban legend.
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On 10 Apr 2006, at 9:47 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote:
To sadly counter that argument, I submit the girl who sang at an
all-state
solo/ensemble competition,
Scot Hanna-Weir wrote:
To sadly counter that argument, I submit the girl who sang at an all-state
solo/ensemble competition, Let's call the whole thing off. She sang it
thusly:
You say to-may-toh and I say to-may-toh
You say poh-tay-toh and I say poh-tay-toh.
To-may-toh, to-may-toh, poh
At 8:47 AM -0500 4/10/06, Scot Hanna-Weir wrote:
To sadly counter that argument, I submit the girl who sang at an all-state
solo/ensemble competition, Let's call the whole thing off. She sang it
thusly:
You say to-may-toh and I say to-may-toh
You say poh-tay-toh and I say poh-tay-toh.
T
To sadly counter that argument, I submit the girl who sang at an all-state
solo/ensemble competition, Let's call the whole thing off. She sang it
thusly:
You say to-may-toh and I say to-may-toh
You say poh-tay-toh and I say poh-tay-toh.
To-may-toh, to-may-toh, poh-tay-toh, poh-tay-toh,
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:55 PM, John Howell wrote:
At 1:25 PM -0400 4/7/06, Phil Daley wrote:
It is performance art.
I still maintain that there is no such thing, but if you enjoy the
euphony of the words, enjoy them! Just don't look for semantic
content.
Now you're being as bad as Phil.
On Apr 7, 2006, at 3:52 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
If there are no notated pitches, it is not music.
It is performance art.
Thanks for making my point.
Phil, where in the world did you get such a narrow definition of
music? I don't know A
On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
If there are no notated pitches, it is not music.
It is performance art.
Which brings us back around to percussion ensembles again. Since we've
now come more than full circle, don't you think its time we gave this
topic a rest?
Andrew Stille
At 1:25 PM -0400 4/7/06, Phil Daley wrote:
If there are no notated pitches, it is not music.
Hmm. My music history class was listening to Cowell's "The Banshee"
this afternoon. Do you happen to know how its pitches are notated?
And do you consider Shoenberg's Sprechtstimme music? Would yo
At 12:38 PM -0400 4/7/06, Phil Daley wrote:
At 4/7/2006 11:33 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>Indeed he could not. Having him speak the lyrics in rhythm was a
desperate kludge that turned out to be perfect for the character. Each
of the songs does in fact have a clear melody that you can hear in th
I'm sure Phil is perfectly aware that claiming there was no music
before there was music notation is an indefensible position. It's
just that his hatred of rap, rappers, illegal immigrants, African
percussion and the like have gotten him backed into a corner.
- Darcy
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On Apr 7, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
If there are no notated pitches, it is not music.
Hmmmn. There have been quite a few drum solos I've heard, and un-
pitched percussion compositions, that I'd be loathe to exclude from the
experiences I think of as mu
Phil Daley wrote:
At 4/7/2006 01:05 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
>
>> My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors Higgins,
>> such that, a performer unaware of previous performances, could have
>> replicated that part?
>>
>
>
Mark D Lew wrote:
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors Higgins,
such that, a performer unaware of previous performances, could have
replicated that part?
I almost sounds as if you're assuming that Rex Harrison's particu
On Apr 7, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
If there are no notated pitches, it is not music.
It is performance art.
Thanks for making my point.
Phil, where in the world did you get such a narrow definition of music?
I don't know ANYONE who defines music so narrowly.
For that matter,
I think you are giving music notation way more credit than it deserves. I'm
probably saying this on the wrong board, but it'd really, as others said, be
a shame to have such a constraining definition of what music is. So much
20th century music that is very much music almost defies notation. I'm no
Well, whereas rap is music, music is not necessarily notated. So, to answer
your question...er, not me. (though I actually have, that's the funny
part).
-Scot Hanna-Weir
Music Engraver
A-R Editions, Inc.
Middleton, WI
www.areditions.com
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On 4/7/06 11:38 AM, "Phil Daley" <[EMAIL
On Apr 7, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
If there are no notated pitches, it is not music.
Hmmmn. There have been quite a few drum solos I've heard, and un-
pitched percussion compositions, that I'd be loathe to exclude from
the experiences I think of as music.
Chuck
It is
At 4/7/2006 01:07 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>But what does our interest in notating it have to do with anything? I
>wrote it down because I had to, like a lot of what I do, not because I
>was particularly interested in it. The fact that is WAS notatable is
>not germane to any real definition o
At 4/7/2006 01:05 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
>
>> My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors Higgins,
>> such that, a performer unaware of previous performances, could have
>> replicated that part?
>>
>
>Well yes, of course: you'd w
On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors Higgins,
such that, a performer unaware of previous performances, could have
replicated that part?
Short answer, yes.
The score of My Fair Lady has parts (not all) of HIggins' son
On Apr 7, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors Higgins,
such that, a performer unaware of previous performances, could have
replicated that part?
I almost sounds as if you're assuming that Rex Harrison's particular
interpretation *
On Apr 7, 2006, at 12:38 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
My question is, could you have notated a part for Professors Higgins,
such that, a performer unaware of previous performances, could have
replicated that part?
Well yes, of course: you'd write the rhythm out on a single line and
underlay the
At 4/7/2006 11:33 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
>
>> Whenever the "speaking" of songs instead of singing them is the topic,
>> I'm always reminded of Rex Harrison as Professor Higgins in the London
>> stage production of My Fair Lady. He had a wonderf
On Apr 6, 2006, at 4:05 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
Whenever the "speaking" of songs instead of singing them is the topic,
I'm always reminded of Rex Harrison as Professor Higgins in the London
stage production of My Fair Lady. He had a wonderful speaking voice,
but you get the definite impressi
hes? I'm guessing yes and Rex Harrison just did not have the ear for it (or he chose to speak not sing pitches)... anyone know that score?
-Steve
NYC
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Subject: Re: [Finale] m
David W. Fenton wrote
On 1 Apr 2006 at 0:05, Robert C L Watson wrote:
And their origins are G&S patter
songs and Noel Coward.
They are both words spoken rhythmically
to musical accompaniment, where the delivery may have definite pitch
contours at times and less definite at others.
Not wis
On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:17 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
I too enjoy assonance. I happen to feel that a lot of the rhymes in
rap are not assonance, but merely "close enough". One time there is a
perfect rhymne, another time you dignify it with the term "assonance".
To put it simply, it's like the
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literacy
My
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My favourite poem is that wonderful Haiku by John Cooper Clark;
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On 04 Apr 2006, at 5:46 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Please tell us which rappers
"fit any word and words desired into 4/4 time"
without regard to rhythmic placement. Be specific.
It would take up too much bandwidth to list them all
Okay, name one.
- Darcy
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On Apr 4, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as "time" and "fine", or other symptoms of illiteracy. (Back to
the topic
Hi, just lurking, but had to say this:
> I admit it: I don't like rap. I don't understand it.
> It is irritating to me. I prefer real music. So there we are back at what
is music.
I don't understand quantum physics. I prefer Newtonian physics. So am I
qualified to dismiss the work of a century's
On Apr 4, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
There was a young lady of Worcester
Who ucester crow like a rorcester.
She ucester climb
Two trees at a time,
But her sicester ucester borcester.
Very good! But it works better with a British accent, like Flanders and
Swann rhyming "horn" wi
Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as "time" and "fine", or other symptoms of illiteracy. (Back to
the topic of literacy.) Hardly comparable to sophisticated work
"David W. Fenton" iterated
It's *not* fine to use specious arguments to claim there's no art
whatsoever in it.
I never said "there's no art whatsoever in it." ;-)
That must have been you.
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> Do you really mean to assert that Shakespeare or Swinburne never
> stretch-ed [2 syllables] words to make them fit? Nor ever contracted
> them just to squeeze them in? When did "ever" become one syllable
> "e'er" I would like to know?
That's not the best
At 3:58 AM -0400 4/4/06, Robert C L Watson wrote:
They may have come before the genre we call rap, but I fail to see
any difference whatsoever in the musical content involved, except for
the underlying musical style. They are both words spoken rhythmically
to musical accompaniment, where the del
"There was a young woman named Bea
Who was stung on the arm by a wasp.
When asked, "Does it hurt?"
She replied, "Yes, it does.
I'm just glad it wasn't a hornet!"
Ooh! Ooh! Then we must also quote the immortal:
There was a young lady of Diss
Who went down to the water to swim.
The men in a punt
On 4 Apr 2006 at 5:46, Robert C L Watson wrote:
[Darcy, again unattributed:]
> > Please tell us which rappers
> > "fit any word and words desired into 4/4 time"
> > without regard to rhythmic placement. Be specific.
>
> It would take up too much bandwidth to list them all
Supply ONE example th
On 4 Apr 2006 at 4:38, Robert C L Watson wrote:
[Darcy, unattributed, saying something with which I wholeheartedly
agree:]
> > What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
>
> OOh! rap is great high art eh?
Some of might be, some of it clearly isn't.
Just like all genres of music.
But of course
On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:17 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
More generally, what I love about rap is how it explores the beauty
of the spoken language, in a way that one can't achieve with poetry
or music alone.
Frankly, I have difficulty understanding what they are trying to say.
That mig
On Apr 4, 2006, at 4:32 AM, Mark D Lew wrote:
On Apr 4, 2006, at 12:58 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as "time" and "fine", or other symptoms of illitera
>
Do you really mean to assert that Shakespeare or Swinburne never
stretch-ed [2 syllables] words to make them fit?
'twas once upon a time actually pronounced that way.
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Please tell us which rappers
"fit any word and words desired into 4/4 time"
without regard to rhythmic placement. Be specific.
It would take up too much bandwidth to list them all
...
:-)
Besides which, this discussion is so far off topic. I'm done.
Robert C L Watson wrote:
They may have come before the genre we call rap, but I fail to see
any difference whatsoever in the musical content involved, except for
the underlying musical style. They are both words spoken rhythmically
to musical accompaniment, where the delivery may have definite
hello Mark,
Thanks for addressing the argument, instead of smart alec comments like a few
others.
I too enjoy assonance. I happen to feel that a lot of the rhymes in rap are not
assonance, but merely "close enough". One time there is a perfect rhymne, another time you
dignify it with the te
On 04 Apr 2006, at 4:38 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
OOh! rap is great high art eh?
Well, that's a separate question (several questions, actually) that's
got nothing to do with what you actually wrote, nor my response.
But enlighten us. Please
What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
OOh! rap is great high art eh?
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On Apr 4, 2006, at 12:58 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
Current commercial (c)rap - not that I can bear to listen to it for
long - is sloppy and irregular in metre, and has either non-rhymes
such as "time" and "fine", or other symptoms of illiteracy.
I love assonance. One of the reasons I hav
- "Rap" and "hip hop" aren't quite the same thing, ...
Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs
in The Music Man are a form of rap (but not hip hop); while on the
other hand a certain style of clothing might be described as hip hop
(but not rap).
Ah ha! So, there you make
On 04 Apr 2006, at 3:58 AM, Robert C L Watson wrote:
The rhythms are complex because there is no discipline.
What a breathtakingly ignorant statement.
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They may have come before the genre we call rap, but I fail to see
any difference whatsoever in the musical content involved, except for
the underlying musical style. They are both words spoken rhythmically
to musical accompaniment, where the delivery may have definite pitch
contours at times and
I never meant to imply that one thread is influenced by the other. I'm
just saying that if rap is broadly defined as the general art of rhythmic recitation of
verse -- which I think is a reasonable definition -- then there has been plenty of rap
throughout history besides the current movement
On 3 Apr 2006 at 14:06, Phil Daley wrote:
> At 4/3/2006 01:55 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>
> >> >> I agree that improvisation is not notatable.
> >
> >Somehow this false assumption got into the thread, and needs to be
> >expunged.
> >While it is *arguable* that jazz improvisation cannot be n
On 3 Apr 2006 at 7:29, dhbailey wrote:
> I'm not sure what your point is in insisting that something isn't
> music if it can't be written down.
I'm not even sure what Phil hopes to accomplish by even making the
assertion, since it doesn't even apply to rap, which can certainly be
written down a
John Bell wrote:
On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
How about art?
Is the an art masterpiece that is not on canvas?
It's an entirely false analogy. But since you ask: Leonardo's Last
Supper, Michelangelo's David...
Not to mention the Mona Lisa.
cd
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At 16:53 03.04.2006, I wrote:
Invalid comparison. Literature and painting are creative arts.
Once completed, they are what they are. Music (and dance and
theater) are both creative and recreative arts. It is in the
recreation that each such work of art is different, by a little or
by a lot,
At 4/3/2006 01:55 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>> >> I agree that improvisation is not notatable.
>
>Somehow this false assumption got into the thread, and needs to be
>expunged.
>
>While it is *arguable* that jazz improvisation cannot be notated (I
>don't, myself, agree), it is unquestionable that
>> I agree that improvisation is not notatable.
Somehow this false assumption got into the thread, and needs to be
expunged.
While it is *arguable* that jazz improvisation cannot be notated (I
don't, myself, agree), it is unquestionable that products of the organ
improvisation tradition, i
I think we must discern between notation, interpretation and recorded music.
While interpretation may be comparable with painting a painting,
interpretation would be following close directions and adding some
personal touch, recorded music may be compared to a painting, as
long as we still ag
At 6:29 AM -0400 4/3/06, Phil Daley wrote:
Compare it to literature.
Is there a great piece of literature that hasn't been written down?
How about art?
Is the an art masterpiece that is not on canvas?
Invalid comparison. Literature and painting are creative arts. Once
completed, they are
Phil Daley wrote:
At 4/2/2006 10:34 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>On Apr 2, 2006, at 8:37 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
>
>> At 4/1/2006 08:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>>
>> >But the requirement Phil is placing on these pieces is completely
>> >arbitrary and if applied honestly would elimina
At 4/3/2006 06:47 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>Didn't we have this argument a year or so ago, and finally settle that
>the written sheet music was just the recipe for the actual sound, and
>NOT the actual music? Like confusing a recipe for cake with the actual
>cake itself.
Opps, sorry, I must
On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
How about art?
Is the an art masterpiece that is not on canvas?
It's an entirely false analogy. But since you ask: Leonardo's Last
Supper, Michelangelo's David...
John
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On Apr 3, 2006, at 6:29 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
At 4/2/2006 10:34 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>What kind of extremely narrow definition of music do you have that
>excludes improvisation from music? Or non-pitched elements? Or
>difficult-to-notate elements? Or
>inconsistently-reproducible-in-per
At 4/2/2006 12:49 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>On Apr 1, 2006, at 7:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
>> I thought he asked if different ensembles would sound the same
>> playing from the score. Given that no two identical percussion
>> instruments sound precisely the same, I'd say that it's unlikely
At 4/2/2006 10:34 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>On Apr 2, 2006, at 8:37 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
>
>> At 4/1/2006 08:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>>
>> >But the requirement Phil is placing on these pieces is completely
>> >arbitrary and if applied honestly would eliminate a lot of the works
>> >h
At 5:38 PM -0700 4/2/06, Chuck Israels wrote:
Ernst Toch wrote a choral piece I "sang" as a teenager that had no
pitches. Some of the words were (please excuse my ignorance of
German spelling, Johannes and others): Popocatepetl ist nicht in
Canada, zunder in Mexico, Mexico, Mexico.
That woul
Ernst Toch wrote a choral piece I "sang" as a teenager that had no
pitches. Some of the words were (please excuse my ignorance of
German spelling, Johannes and others): Popocatepetl ist nicht in
Canada, zunder in Mexico, Mexico, Mexico.
Whatever else it was, I remain under the impression t
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 4/2/06 1:02:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< From: Stephen Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Music Man had "rap-like" passages (i.e. parts of "You've Got
Trouble") which led to fully pitched-tone cadences as the climax...
And there go all classical improvisations from Bach over Mozart,
Beethoven, Brahms, even E. T. A. Hoffmann, and of course myself
improvising...;-)
Oh my god! I played a t the church today and did four improvisations.
And I thought it was music...?
This is ridiculous! Improvisation (in a good
On Apr 2, 2006, at 7:34 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
I must confess that Mark's earlier observation – saying "this is not
music" is really saying "I don't like this music" – is starting to
sound more and more true.
Actually I observed only that that's the case for some people. My
larger poi
In a message dated 4/2/06 1:02:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< From: Stephen Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The Music Man had "rap-like" passages (i.e. parts of "You've Got
> Trouble") which led to fully pitched-tone cadences as the climax...
Not all. "Rock Island", the
On Apr 1, 2006, at 7:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
I thought he asked if different ensembles would sound the same
playing from the score. Given that no two identical percussion
instruments sound precisely the same, I'd say that it's unlikely that
any two performances of Ionisation would sound i
At 8:37 AM -0400 4/2/06, Phil Daley wrote:
But, if an entire piece is improvisation, it is not music, it is
performance art.
Oh darn, there goes Cage and everything aleatoric. And all good
dixieland bands. And here they thought they were playing music!
(Who knows what Cage thought!)
I t
At 5:54 PM -0500 4/1/06, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 01 Apr 2006, at 5:40 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
But isn't that the point? They decided to promote their music
themselves on MySpace Music presumably because the record companies
couldn't recognise they had any prospect as moneyspinners (but I
On Apr 2, 2006, at 8:37 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
At 4/1/2006 08:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>But the requirement Phil is placing on these pieces is completely
>arbitrary and if applied honestly would eliminate a lot of the works
>he considers to be music.
I agree that improvisation is not nota
At 4/1/2006 08:44 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>But the requirement Phil is placing on these pieces is completely
>arbitrary and if applied honestly would eliminate a lot of the works
>he considers to be music.
I agree that improvisation is not notatable.
But, if an entire piece is improvisation,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> The Music Man had "rap-like" passages (i.e. parts of "You've Got
> Trouble") which led to fully pitched-tone cadences as the climax...
Not all. "Rock Island", the opening number, is entirely spoken in
rhythm (although I think the orchestra does play a chord after the
On Apr 1, 2006, at 5:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
With no disrespect to them, can you imagine Ringo Starr or Charlie
Watts being given today's hyped-up promotion? Like the man said,
theirs is not the sort of talent they're looking for.
Not disputing your general point, but just to be clear:
On 1 Apr 2006 at 13:51, Andrew Stiller wrote:
> On Apr 1, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Phil Daley wrote:
>
> > Could you make a score of a "rap piece" so that another group could
> > perform it and it would be identical to the original performance?
> > (By which I mean, the same pitches.)
>
> Of course one
On 1 Apr 2006 at 6:19, Robert C L Watson wrote:
> >> Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are G&S patter
> >> songs and Noel Coward.
> > And they too are rap.
> > Rap is not new. It is ancient.
>
> One of many online sources tells us:
> "Rap's origins stretch far back to African o
On 1 Apr 2006 at 0:05, Robert C L Watson wrote:
> > ...Thus, one might reasonably say that the parlato songs
> > in The Music Man are a form of rap ... <
>
> Nope. They came long before rap. And their origins are G&S patter
> songs and Noel Coward.
They may have come before the genre we call
>
> > On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
> >
> >> Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads
> in Liverpool
> >> could form their own little group, write their own music,
> practice at
> >> each other's houses, play at local dance halls and get
> discovered by
On 01 Apr 2006, at 5:40 PM, Peter Taylor wrote:
On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in
Liverpool could form their own little group, write their own
music, practice at each other's houses, play at local dance
halls a
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On 01 Apr 2006, at 8:21 AM, Peter Taylor wrote:
Gone are the days when a few ordinary-looking local lads in Liver
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