Re: MySQL.org

2002-01-08 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Sun, Dec 30, 2001 at 04:38:02PM -, Andy Woolley wrote: > > Well, it certainly seems to be pointing to MySQL.com alright. > > Although the domain name registrant is still NuSphere and DNS still > appears to be handled by NuSphere's command the IPAddress it > resolves to is definitely that o

Re: MySQL.org

2001-12-30 Thread Andy Woolley
Hi, Well, it certainly seems to be pointing to MySQL.com alright. Although the domain name registrant is still NuSphere and DNS still appears to be handled by NuSphere's command the IPAddress it resolves to is definitely that of MySQL.com. Hmmm, I certainly hope this is justice and not just car

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
Too bad it's not your list to make that decision, but Monteys Ruben mysql - the database written and owned by MYSQL AB > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: > > > > > Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > > > your discussions off this li

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > next meeting. > > Britt... Britt, thanks for the update. The neutral tone and lack of substanti

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Bob Hall
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > next meeting. > > Britt... Britt, thanks for the update. The neutral tone and lack of result ma

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Van
John Birrell wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: > > > > > Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > > > your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By > > > all means, tell us the result. > > > > This discussion most

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread John Birrell
On Sat, Jul 21, 2001 at 01:13:15PM +0100, Mark Tiramani wrote: > > > Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > > your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By > > all means, tell us the result. > > This discussion most certainly is our business. No it'

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-21 Thread Mark Tiramani
> Since these issues are between two private companies, please take > your discussions off this list. It is none of our business. By > all means, tell us the result. This discussion most certainly is our business. I would appeal to both MySQL AB and NuShphere to keep discussions as public as i

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Thomas J Keller
John Birrell wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > > next meeting. > Since these issues are between two private companies,

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread John Birrell
On Fri, Jul 20, 2001 at 12:29:52PM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged > information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the > next meeting. Since these issues are between two private companies, please take your discussions

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Britt Johnston
MySQL AB and NuSphere had a meeting over the phone, we exchanged information and opinions and NuSphere will propose times for the next meeting. Britt... -- D. Britton Johnston 603-578-6707 Nashua Chief Technology Officer 781-280-4954 Bedford NuSphere Corporation 781-280-4600 Main 14

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Werner Stuerenburg
Absolutely great! You are so keen and brave - I wouldn't dare to and some others obviously neither! We need people who calm things down to make negotiations and an agreement possible, that's absolutely true, but we also need people to emphasize the frontiers to make a correct agreement possible i

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Michael Meltzer
they are not bad and give you something to read in the restroom. MJM - Original Message - From: "Van" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Meltzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: Re: mysql.org

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Bob Hall
On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 09:17:31AM -0400, Bob Hall wrote: > > I think I've made it clear that I'm not enamored of NuSphere's > recent actions, which I think are remarkably bone-headed. At I'm afraid the emotions aroused by recent events have stripped away my thin veneer of reasonable civility

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Justin Farnsworth
[ database table sql ] Van wrote: > > Michael Meltzer wrote: > > > > thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade > > magazine, I got a copy of "interactive week" in sail mail today. (In my best > I'd have never caught that but for the list. Thanks. Wonder what th

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-20 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Van wrote: > > Michael Meltzer wrote: > > > > thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade > > magazine, I got a copy of "interactive week" in sail mail today. (In my best > I'd have never caught that but for the list. Thanks. Wonder what the audience > for that si

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Van
Michael Meltzer wrote: > > thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade > magazine, I got a copy of "interactive week" in sail mail today. (In my best > sarcastic voice)As they say in Hollywood "Any Publicity is good as long as > your spell the names right". Found a web

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
> > MYSQL.NET > XMYSQL.COM > MYSQLPHP.COM > PHPMYSQL.COM > MYSQL-PHP.COM > MYSQLHOST.COM > > -S > > Aside from being incorrect about the process of tradmarking in the US and the ability to defend a trademark while awaiting registry, all these above websites are not claiming to be the off

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
> > I think you see evil people, conspiracies and other unwanted stuff when > in fact there are only misunderstandings and opposing viewpoints. > > I'm with Bob Hall on this one. Excellent statement Bob! > > -S > > Their is no conpsirisy, there is only one company trying to steel

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Michael Meltzer
thought the list might want to know, this has been picked up by a trade magazine, I got a copy of "interactive week" in sail mail today. (In my best sarcastic voice)As they say in Hollywood "Any Publicity is good as long as your spell the names right". Found a web version if any one wants a look.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread John Jacques
Thomas J Keller wrote: > The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that someone needs to > offer the following observations: > It is unfortunate that so many people within this community are so eager to > assume the worst about a company, simply because they ARE a company. Not all

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread "G. Lovén"
At 21:28 01-07-19, you wrote: > > > > > the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me > > > as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting > > > themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. > > > > > > > > > Nah > > > > There using it as a marketing ploy to dup the p

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
Fact MYSQL owns their trademark Fact, what NuShpere brought form MYSQL is irrelevant as loing as they are infrringing on the MYSQL Trademark...and they were going to do WORSE until the public heat. Until they apologies fo the GPL violation, and then the Trademark infringment, they are pound sc

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Sander Pilon
> > > the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me > > as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting > > themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. > > > > > Nah > > There using it as a marketing ploy to dup the public. > > The should have released their G

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Marten Mickos
Dear folks at NuSphere, Thank you for your response to our open invitation. We disagree with a number of your statements, but we look forward to having a phone contact with you on Friday. Marten Mickos (database,sql,query,table) --

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
> the same time, a NuSphere-controlled mysql.org doesn't strike me > as a disaster, provided they can do it with out shooting > themselves in the foot, as they are doing now. > Nah There using it as a marketing ploy to dup the public. The should have released their GPLed extentions on NuSh

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-19 Thread Bob Hall
On Wed, Jul 18, 2001 at 11:10:20AM -0700, Michael Collins wrote: > It seems to me that the bottom line is that any outcome that results > in there being a fork in the development of MySQL (with the result > being two completely different types of MySQL), or in NuSphere > retaining control of th

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Martin Jeremic
First, I support mySQL and Open Source community. Maybe you can fight them with their own weapon. They have made some extra applications based on mySQL, and they sell it. You can create same applications as Open Source. - Befor

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Michael Collins
It seems to me that the bottom line is that any outcome that results in there being a fork in the development of MySQL (with the result being two completely different types of MySQL), or in NuSphere retaining control of the mysql.org domain should be vehemently rejected by the MySQL community.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Werner is correct in encouraging all to make up your own mind. And, it is always possible that Orwellian "DoubleSpeak" is an ingredient of these public statements and posturing. But, a great distinction must be made here, and not tie the idea of "DoubleSpeak" to a fear of manipulation, unless you

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-18 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
>As you are aware, we are forming a not-for-profit corporation to >focus on building and supporting a larger MySQL development >community and promoting MySQL. The mysql.org domain is expected >to be transferred to that organization. NuSphere has taken the >lead and is covering the costs of for

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Justin Farnsworth
[permission to come aboard, sql database query table] "Gerald R. Jensen" wrote: > > I wouldn't be concerned about this being discussed here on the list. After > all, we are talking about Open Source. > > Gerald Jensen - Right, Mr. Jensen. My historical bent takes me further.

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Britt: I've read all of the posts regarding the controversy between MySQL AB and NuSphere. Not being a participant, I can't know all the details of your relationship with MySQL AB, so I can only judge this in light of my own dealings with them. Michael Widenius and David Axmark have always condu

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Justin Farnsworth
t needed to > establish the >further agreements that MySQL AB > > seeks. We note that public statements have been made >after the > invitation, statements that are not in the spirit of >the invitation. > > >Your willingness > > to return to resolving our issues in a

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Laszlo G. Szijarto
t;Your willingness > to return to resolving our issues in a business-like >fashion would be > welcome. - Original Message - From: "Britt Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 6:59 PM Su

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-17 Thread Britt Johnston
Re: Open Invitation to NuSphere and Progress NuSphere accepts MySQL AB's invitation to discuss resolution of our business issues. NuSphere and MySQL AB have already spoken via phone and confirmed discussions will commence on Friday, July 20th. NuSphere would welcome a fresh approach by MySQL A

RE: mysql.org (comments to old messages)

2001-07-17 Thread Simon Green
http://www.nusphere.org Is available to register but I don't now why you would what to ;o).? Simon -Original Message- From: Van [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 July 2001 10:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mysql.org (comments to old mes

Re: mysql.org (comments to old messages)

2001-07-17 Thread Van
Monty: You started MySQL as a database server derived from msql several years ago, and, you made it quick. You made it a bunch of other things, but, what's most important is that you made it quick. You made it stable. Quick is good. Stable is better. When both are paired, it's a pure win. T

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-16 Thread Michael Widenius
Open Invitation to NuSphere and Progress The people at MySQL AB would like to invite you, NuSphere Corporation and Progress Software Corporation, to talks on neutral soil for the purpose of resolving our disputes. We propose to meet on Wednesday 18 July 2001 and continue for as long as we need,

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-16 Thread btjones
I hate to differ with you here, John... but please check the following URL and notice the price tag on it -- http://www.redhat.com/products/software/linux/7-1_standard.html RedHat is betting on, correctly so, that users in general will not spend the time and effort to download over 100 meg of d

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Robert John Hall
On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 07:59:14AM -0700, Michael Collins wrote: Thank you, Michael, for accidentally posting this. :) > At 3:10 AM -0400 7/14/01, Britt Johnston wrote: > >Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue > >needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my > >p

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Carsten H. Pedersen
> 1) While they do point out that they are not affliated, and > provide a link to MySQL AB, they do not state why this is > relevant, or why someone might WANT to go to MySQL AB. Hmmm.. The NuSphere people may not be saying very much on this list, but they're certainly listening in on what'

re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Thomas J Keller
Well, I have gone and looked more closely at mysql.org. I am forced to confess that I find several disheartening "features" at this site. I am unwilling at this juncture to typify these issues as deliberate or ill-intentioned, but I will say that NuSphere needs to make a concerted, immediate

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Robert Alexander
Monty et al and fellow list people, I've been following this thread with interest for the last couple days, have read all the postings (unfortunate flames included), and my opinion has generally been: "well, there's been an unfortunate break down in communication between MySQL and NuSphere, I'

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Just to clarify the U.S. trademark point raised here ... The fact that it is in the mail, in progress, or whatever is really immaterial. It is not at all unusual for the formal application for trademarks, service marks, patents, copyrights, etc. to come months or even years after the product's i

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Marten Mickos
Andy, a clarification below Andy Woolley wrote: > > I see one HUGE difference between these support sites and .net, > > in regards to .com: Every one but .net clearly state that > > this is a product of MySQL AB, tell people about and make > > very explicit links mysql.com. > The impression

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Andy Woolley
> I see one HUGE difference between these support sites and .net, > in regards to .com: Every one but .net clearly state that > this is a product of MySQL AB, tell people about and make > very explicit links mysql.com. The impression I get from the .org site, is that they are promoting a product

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Marten Mickos
Guus, Thanks for your good suggestions. Some clarifications below. Guus Leeuw jr. wrote: > From: Dipl.-Inf. Guus Leeuw jr. > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 03:21:32 +0200 > > -Original Message- > > From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Our interpretation is that even unde

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Carsten H. Pedersen
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Justin Farnsworth > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:56 AM > Hassan: > > I respectfully disagree with your suggestion that such a site > would spread confusion and give discredit to MySQL. > > I think it

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
Hi, Sorry.. can't keep my mouth shut.. A few comments on the legal matter: GPL has been spoken about more then enough here.. Trademark: If no license or agreement exists which allows nusphere to use MYSQL AB's trademark it's probably illegal. One could think of situations where it might be pe

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-15 Thread Sinisa Milivojevic
BAUMEISTER Alexandre writes: > Michael, > > > It's years now that I use Mysql, post/read the mailing list, try to > help you solving bugs, testing new features (like InnoDB currently). > > Why ? Because I really like Mysql, GPL licence and the way you work ! > > What NuLsphere is doin

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
Reposting because of annoying filter. On 15 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Your message cannot be posted because it appears to be either spam or > simply off topic to our filter. To bypass the filter you must include > one of the following words in your message: > > database,sql,query,tabl

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
hassan el forkani wrote: > > "First: take it to court. Potentially expensive, and probably not good for > public relations for either party" probably the only sentence that makes > sense in this "affaire" > > from a mysql user point of view, nusphere's move is completely amateur > > i can't s

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread hassan el forkani
"First: take it to court. Potentially expensive, and probably not good for public relations for either party" probably the only sentence that makes sense in this "affaire" from a mysql user point of view, nusphere's move is completely amateur i can't see any intelligent motivation for it, th

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Sander Pilon
> > -Original Message- > > From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Our interpretation is that even under the interim agreement, > > the operation > > by NuSphere of mysql.org would have been a trademark violation. > > Then, Marten, tell us what the statu

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread portasio
community, open source, gpl, tld's.. these are long, long discussions, some pertinent, though not to this valuable list. i've read many opinions, respect some, but these are for lawyers, not hackers (in linus' sense of the word). nevertheless, there is a message for us nerds: let's keep it open!

Re: mysql.org - an extra 2 cents

2001-07-14 Thread Joel Nelson
Regarding the recent thread on NuSphere. ( Jeapardy style so you don't have to read it again) GPL violation or not, part of my decisions are always based on morals (hard to find these days). Anyone trying to capture an audience using anothers name is un-ethical and un-moral. My business decisi

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Dipl.-Inf. Guus Leeuw jr.
> -Original Message- > From: Marten Mickos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Our interpretation is that even under the interim agreement, > the operation > by NuSphere of mysql.org would have been a trademark violation. Then, Marten, tell us what the status is of the trademark app

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
Thomas, thanks for your suggestions. A few clarifications below. Thomas J Keller wrote: > Marten Mickos wrote: > > In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I > > feel I have to come with the following comments. > > (The quoted text marked with "> >" is by Britt

re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that someone needs to offer the following observations: It is unfortunate that so many people within this community are so eager to assume the worst about a company, simply because they ARE a company. Not all corporations are Mickey$lu$h (I

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Sander Pilon
> > This is very interesting, this "Open Source Legal Resolution" ;-) > Indeed it is. The thing I find most interesting, and a bit scary, is the way people seem to pick sides. For example - "vermin", "scum", "obscure", are just a few of the words recently used to describe the likes of Nu

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
Marten Mickos wrote: > In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I > feel I have to come with the following comments. > (The quoted text marked with "> >" is by Britt Johnston) > >mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take > >some time for it to b

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
In response to the posting by Thomas J Keller of Britt Johnston's text, I feel I have to come with the following comments. (The quoted text marked with ">" is by Britt Johnston) >mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take >some time for it to become the thriving community it

re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Thomas J Keller
Alright. I have received Mr. Johnson's permission to share the email response he made to me. it is included herewith for informational purposes without comment or prejudice: cut here mysql.org has not been publically announced and it will take some time for it to become the th

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Van
Britt Johnston wrote: > > As far as mysql.org goes, what NuSphere would like to see is a > non-profit organization running that site - we have been consistent > in this desire for over a year, but it has been opposed by Monty > and David. I discussed this with Monty as recently as a few weeks >

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Collins
Sorry for the last post with no response. In my anger, I hit reply by accident. I usually resist the urge to flame publicly. When I first posted about this topic I thought that the domain name issue was the only transgression, I did not realize how deep it went. Now I feel truly disgusted by the

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
David Axmark wrote: > > > "Britt" == Britt Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Since Monty is travelling for 30 hours or so (from Australia) I will > answer this. [== snip, snip ==] WOW! Does everyone realize what is going on here? I don't know, I consider this stuff historic. Perha

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Michael Collins
At 3:10 AM -0400 7/14/01, Britt Johnston wrote: >Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue >needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my >preference. I also will not get into a flame war, it is >not in the best interest of mysql. I appreciate all the >email I've rece

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread David Axmark
> "Britt" == Britt Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Since Monty is travelling for 30 hours or so (from Australia) I will answer this. Britt> Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue Britt> needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my Britt> preference. I

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread BAUMEISTER Alexandre
Michael, MW> What NuSphere seems to be trying to do is to get people to approve MW> of their fork, get more people to work on it, and cause confusion MW> among MySQL users as to where the origin of the MySQL(tm) source MW> and documentation is. What NuSphere has done indicates that they MW>

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Marten Mickos
Justin, I very much agree with your compliment to Jeremy for his posting. Some notes on your posting follow. At 14/07/01 14:03 +0200, Justin wrote: >Personally, I could care less about the mysql.org >domain issue. I, more or less, see it just as another >kind of ex-officio site supporting some

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Justin Farnsworth
Jeremy Zawodny wrote: > [== snip, snip ==] Jeremy: You should be complimented for giving us a measured and rational posting on this potentially emotional issue. And also, it is good that Britt has clearly stated his understanding, though perhaps a bit too late to have prevented one of those com

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-14 Thread Jeremy Zawodny
On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 03:10:34AM -0400, Britt Johnston wrote: > Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue needs to > be aired so publically that was certainly not my preference. I also > will not get into a flame war, it is not in the best interest of > mysql. I appreciate all

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Britt Johnston
Well, what a mess. It is regretable that this legal issue needs to be aired so publically that was certainly not my preference. I also will not get into a flame war, it is not in the best interest of mysql. I appreciate all the email I've received with advice and/or support - thanks. It is impo

Re: Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
database,sql,query,table > > Now most of us in/using Open Source probably do not _really_ > understand the meaning and ramifications of the GPL. We _think_ > we know, and we certainly have a "feeling" about what the GPL > "means". Oh Bull Making a derived work from a GPL produc

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Steve Werby
"Michael Widenius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > By using mysql.org they are also violating our trademark; If we are > not defending our trademark we may loose it. I'm sure you and your attorneys have considered this, but for the benefit of others on the list I'll mention that the Uniform Domain-

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread A. Clausen
-- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:36:08 -0700 > >I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that >NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes >with MySQL AB's busines

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Trond Eivind Glomsrød
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that > NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes > with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deployments of the > package? And by that I can somewhat see wh

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! > "btjones" == btjones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: btjones> I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that btjones> NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes btjones> with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deploym

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread btjones
I am far from a legal expert on this... but is it all that bad that NuSphere wishes to sell a derivative work of MySQL? Other than it competes with MySQL AB's business of selling their own commercial deployments of the package? And by that I can somewhat see why NuSphere is using the phrase "un

RE: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Sander Pilon
> Hi! > > > > Sander> I do not deny their claim on the trademark OR domain, > but I am > Sander> somewhat unpleasantly surprised by the means they try > to resolve > Sander> this matter, and the fact that nobody in a what I > assume is an > Sander> internet-aware company like MySQL even

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Paul DuBois
Well. It should be an interesting Open Source convention in San Diego later this month... database,sql,query,table -- Paul DuBois, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! I am just filling in some missing facts here. > "Jeremy" == Jeremy Zawodny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeremy> On Fri, Jul 13, 2001 at 01:03:19AM +0200, Sander Pilon wrote: >> >> Rule number one on the internet: If you have a trademark, GET THE >> .COM, .NET, .ORG, .CC and .CX ASAP!!!

RE: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! Sander> I do not deny their claim on the trademark OR domain, but I am somewhat Sander> unpleasantly surprised by the means they try to resolve this matter, and Sander> the fact that nobody in a what I assume is an internet-aware company Sander> like MySQL even considered getting the .org

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Michael Widenius
Hi! > "Tim" == Tim Endres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If anyone has any comments about how we at MySQL AB work as an open >> source company, please write to our CEO Marten Mickos via >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will welcome your suggestions. We are >> totally dependent on the trust of ou

Re: MySQL.org

2001-07-13 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, > >The article mentions that the Web site will confuse new users, but I >think this one will confuse them even more: >http://mysql.net/ >(for non-Japanese users that is). Korean, actually. -- Matthias Urlichs (being exceedingly helpful today) --

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Gerald Jensen
Farnsworth Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:49 AM To: Gerald R. Jensen Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mysql.org "Gerald R. Jensen" wrote: > > Monty: > > I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Justin Farnsworth
"Gerald R. Jensen" wrote: > > Monty: > > I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's > PHPEd package (US$300 each) for our developers when I became aware of the > controversy surrounding 'Enhanced MySQL' and mysql.org. > > The purchase order went into the round file

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Brooklyn Linux Solutions CEO
nomebiology.com/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Gerry Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:15 AM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] &

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Gerald R. Jensen
Monty: I was on the verge of authorizing the purchase of 3 copies of NuSphere's PHPEd package (US$300 each) for our developers when I became aware of the controversy surrounding 'Enhanced MySQL' and mysql.org. The purchase order went into the round file, and Hell will freeze over before I buy an

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Van
PeterWR wrote: > > Hi Van, > > I have no experience with Progress software. > > Once, Progress must have seen their approach as the right way. That they > sonner or later see a need to change, does not approved the way it is done. > > In short term, the "clients" for the NuSphere are already f

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Christopher Thorpe
://genomebiology.com/ -Original Message- From: Gerry Sweeney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:15 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: mysql.org

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Kevin Smith
Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: RE: mysql.org Can't we pull the mysql.org domain from under them? Surely this breaches domain name usage? joel -Original Message- From: Mich

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread PeterWR
;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: Re: mysql.org > PeterWR wrote: > > > > Then you can start wondering why one software company wants to promote "open > > source" by using another companys software - why is the Progress database &

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Joel Hughes
Can't we pull the mysql.org domain from under them? Surely this breaches domain name usage? joel -Original Message- From: Michael Widenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 July 2001 06:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: mysql.org Hi! >Enhanced MySQL(tm) is as

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-13 Thread Santi Chumbe
Dear MySQL team, My University was considering to buy a number of licences of the enhanced MySQL(tm) from Nusphere. However, now, we all the University IT staff (managers, developers, designers, etc.) have decided to strongly go up against any commercial contact with such a robber company called

RE: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread Gerry Sweeney
Monty and all at MySQL, I am sorry to hear about this most unfortunate situation. It is sad to see that NuSphere have taken it upon themselves to attempt to steal your intellectual property and try to benefit from all of the MySQL team's hard work. My company has been licensing using MySQL for d

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread Van
PeterWR wrote: > > Then you can start wondering why one software company wants to promote "open > source" by using another companys software - why is the Progress database > not good enough for NuSphere ??? > > Best regards > Peter > Copnehagen Denmark > Peter: Have your ever worked with Prog

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread PeterWR
Hi Monty, When reading Your comments, I became very sorry for You and MySQL. With almost four years experience on MySQL on Windows, I have had no problems of any kind. You and Your people are doing a great job both on the software and on the support - other major players could learn from MySQL w

Re: mysql.org

2001-07-12 Thread Tim Endres
> If anyone has any comments about how we at MySQL AB work as an open > source company, please write to our CEO Marten Mickos via > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and we will welcome your suggestions. We are > totally dependent on the trust of our users, as everything we do are > open source, and we are trying

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