Melissa,
Perhaps as a consultant you can speak to directors/deans of libraries with
that "DUH" attitude, but I can say that as a cataloger, I would never
approach my dean with that attitude. As James stated, there are *always*
"options" ... and in this economic environment where we are being stretc
rd was that RDA records would work fine with
other legacy records in our catalogs.
Julie Moore
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California State University, Fresno
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559-278-5813
“Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from
themselves.”... James Matthew Barrie
version of RDA than the Toolkit ... or
just catalog blindly without access to the rules.
This is *VERY* disappointing.
Julie Moore
Head of Cataloging
California State University, Fresno
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Heidrun Wiesenmüller <
wiesenmuel...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote:
> Isn
;-- And how are we to handle it?
Thanks kindly,
Julie Moore
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Adam L. Schiff wrote:
> In RDA Appendix J "reprinted as" and "reprint of (manifestation)" are
> listed hierarchically under "reproduced as" and "reproducti
Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Myers, John F. wrote:
> Julie Moore wrote:
>
> Yes, it was the [197-?] scenario that I was thinking of, where there is
> nothing that tells you any kind of a date ... but you have the feeling that
> it was probably made in the 70s ... possibly jus
quot;We should set an example for all the world, rather than confine ourselves
> to the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSER
ut $c [201?] in
the 264 _1? (I catalog a lot of non-print materials ... and many have no
date.) ... or is this where I just throw up my hands and evoke: $c [date of
publication not identified]
Thanks for the guidance!
Cheers,
Julie Moore
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Robert Maxwell wrote:
the course which has been heretofore pursued"--Eliza R. Snow, 1842.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Julie Moore
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 5:21 PM
>
> *T
University of Washington Libraries
> Box 352900
> Seattle, WA 98195-2900
> (206) 543-8409
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> ~~~~~~**
>
> On
, and inferred publication date?] ... and then they are putting
the copyright date in the 264 _4?
Thanks,
Julie Moore
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Adam L. Schiff wrote:
> Distribution would only be a core element if the publication element was
> not identified. Manufacture would o
98195-2900
> (206) 543-8409
> (206) 685-8782 fax
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> ~~**
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2013, Julie Moore wrote:
>
> (My apol
Copyright notice date
Are we required to provide all if we have all? If not, which ones are
required?
I have noticed that in most cases, there is only a 1 (Publication) and a 4
(copyright date).
I would be grateful for some clarification on this.
Best wishes,
Julie Moore
--
Julie Renee Moo
I agree. I think that we should either always end in a period *or* never
end in a period. But this inconsistency makes things much more complicated
than they need to be.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Julie Moore
Fresno State
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:53 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> Julie as
top.
Thanks,
Julie Moore
Fresno State
Monographic example, different functions recorded
264 #1 $a Syracuse, New York : $b [publisher not identified],
$c 2010.
264 #2 $a [Place of distribution not identified] : $b Adirondack
Distributors, $c 2012.
264 #4 $c ©2009
--
Julie Re
them to be considered "published" whether
they are paper or electronic.
Best wishes,
Julie Moore
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Adam Schiff wrote:
> The implication of the instruction that all online resources are published
> is that when making a record for the electronic
No, the 336, 337, 338's were not meant to be displayed.
Julie Moore
Fresno State
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kadri, Carolyn J wrote:
> Are the 336,337,338’s meant to be displayed? Probably not. Maybe, meant to
> be used as accessible codes for a FRBRised catalog searc
textured foam pages!
Julie Moore :-)
Fresno State
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Deborah Fritz wrote:
> Although that sounds like a really good idea, without an added option,
> unfortunately, I do not think the RDA instructions for Extent of Text
> (3.4.5.2) do not allow us to use &
Please excuse the cross-posting.
I am doing local training for my library on RDA. I have often said that the
reason why we are moving to RDA is because this is now our national
standard. I have also said that part of the reason for moving to RDA is a
first step toward moving us into linked data an
ard book in the shape of a shark.
and
655 #0 Board books.
Thoughts?
Julie Moore
Fresno State
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:40 AM, Julie Moore wrote:
> Deborah,
>
> I've been following this post with great curiosity.
>
> I'm trying to get the full picture here. It is VERY
tc. in the 300? (If so, I am good with this scenario.)
So the fact that it is a board book, popup book, etc. will be reflected in
the:
300
500
and
655
I'm just wanting to be sure that I am understanding this correctly.
Thoughts?
Julie Moore
Fresno State
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Debo
see this sort of
discussion raging on, I am sure that it would seem quite strange and funny
that we catalogers can discuss periods at such length.
Definitely goes in the How-many-angels-can-dance-on-the-head-of-a-pin
category!
Julie Moore
Fresno State
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Kevin M Ran
h any other options or solutions as the RDA cutover
date for the national and PCC libraries nears? (2 months to go!)
Cheers,
Julie Moore
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Head of Cataloging
California State University, Fresno
julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com
559-278-5813
“Those who bring sunshine to the lives of o
Do you recommend recording the 336, 337, and 338 of the accompanying
material as well as those fields for the main work?
Julie
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Julie Moore
wrote:
> For many of the "special formats" materials that I catalog, there is often
> "accompanying
to just keep
adding these accompanying materials pieces as a 300 $e?
Thanks,
Julie Moore
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Julie Renee Moore
Catalog Librarian
California State University, Fresno
julie.renee.mo...@gmail.com
559-278-5813
Proudly wearing the sensible shoes since 1985!
Thomas,
So you would not consider either brain to be tactile, because the main
intention is for it to be seen?
336 three-dimensional form ǂ2 rdacontent
Best wishes,
Julie Moore
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Brenndorfer, Thomas <
tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca> wrote:
> I
Did we ever figure out the difference of when we use three-dimensional form
vs. tactile three-dimensional form?
I would say that most three-dimensional forms can be touched, so there is a
tactile component to them, as three-dimensional forms.
Of course, for some things, it is clearly not the inte
I like "units"!
Reminds me of my "box-o-stuff" problem, though ... which, in my mind, is
still an issue.
Julie Moore
Fresno State
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Brenndorfer, Thomas <
tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca> wrote:
> By my count, there are several k
ollocation, I like genre/form terms because they're expansible and can
> be applied at multiple levels simultaneously. So at my previous library, we
> would use sets like
>
> Genre/Form: Clogs.
> Genre/Form: Shoes.
> Genre/Form: Clothing and dress--Netherlands.
> Genre
I have also cataloged educational cards that have the "scratch-n-sniff"
feature. Yes, if we are going to have tactile, we might as well also have
the sense of smell.
Getting back to the pig lungs, they smelled REALLY bad. The intention was
not to smell them, however. But they were very stinky. I d
)
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> Julie Moore, cataloguer of everything, said:
>
> >Mac, you are not alone in your stewing!
>
> I took out the line which said I'll bet not even Julie has had a dildo
> to catalogue.
>
> >It is supposed to
onal form ǂ2 rdacontent
336three-dimensional form ǂ2 rdacontent
Julie Moore
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 5:03 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> Sunday afternoon I was at a delightful concert of 18th century French
> music. During one legato movement, I admit my mind wondered (as it
> somet
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
Kit may be the best that we can do, but we mustn't claim that it is the
user's choice of terms -- it could be the least worst term for what we mean.
I'm ok with that as long as we get over the idea that whatever preceded RDA
was perfect. It wasn'
I think that it is safe to say that most of us are sitting and waiting for
our vendors to do something! I know that while many have said that the
336/337/338 is for the computer and are not supposed to display. Because we
do have RDA records coming in through our natural process these days, I am
n
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Brenndorfer, Thomas <
tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca> wrote:
>
> There is also in RDA the single unit/multipart monograph distinction (which
> is somewhat new, and requires use of LDR/19), which also connects to the
> comprehensive/analytical description instruc
Adger,
I have to agree with you on this. I also use III, and I certainly don't know
what most of those icons are supposed to mean ... how is a patron supposed
to know?! Many are useless to me.
Julie
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Adger Williams wrote:
> I have to offer a few reservations abo
Erin,
Sure, I think I could do that. Do we want to just find out if our students
understand the word "kit"? What do they think the word "kit" in a library
means to them?
Or do you want me to have a box-o-stuff and ask them what they would call
that grouping?
Or both?
Julie
On Mon, Sep 12, 201
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
> Quoting "J. McRee Elrod" :
>
>> It tells the patron what the resource is, in language the patron can
>> understand.
>>
>
> So I don't think you can say that "kit" is in the language of the patron.
> It's the language of the cataloger, and it
Yes, we're all getting these error messages for j.ordering.
Annoying!
Julie
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:10 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> Are you all getting these for messages you post to RDA-L?
>
> Any way of unsubscribing j.ordering?
>
> Hal, do you know what happened to her/him? Australia being
Mac,
What's MRI?! Can't keep up with the acronyms!
Thanks,
Julie
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:53 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> The MRI has been revised to remove "large print" from carrier, and add
> "large print text" to content. This seems to me to be as distinctive
> a content as "tactile text".
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:53 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> The MRI has been revised to remove "large print" from carrier, and add
> "large print text" to content. This seems to me to be as distinctive
> a content as "tactile text".
A ... speaking of tactile text, last week, I cataloged a set
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Karen Coyle wrote:
>
> It is a shame that RDA was "completed" without an analysis by library
> system vendors, and without a system requirements study. It is unusual in
> the information technology world to create a data set entirely apart from
> system considera
The drum would also be audio ... as well as unmediated.
Julie
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Julie Moore
wrote:
> Thank you for your excellent and thoughtful argument, Thomas. I am just
> trying to get my head around RDA and how it will apply to the stuff that I
> catalog most ofte
turday morning!
Thank you for your consideration.
Best wishes,
Julie
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 8:46 AM, Brenndorfer, Thomas <
tbrenndor...@library.guelph.on.ca> wrote:
> ____
> From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [
> R
rrier type as a general term that is used to categorize
> the things one wants to count in the Extent element. It’s just stuff that
> has to be barcoded, shelved, and in some cases eventually played on some
> device.
>
> ** **
>
> Thomas Brenndorfer
>
> Guelph Publi
; The guidelines for submitting a revision proposal are currently being
> revised; I will send you a copy of the interim guidelines.
>
> Best,
>
> Lori Robare
> Chair, CC:DA
> lrob...@uoregon.edu
>
>
> On 9/9/2011 9:41 AM, Julie Moore wrote:
>
> Were RDA to adopt the ter
I would say yes, just as much as an "object" is a kind of carrier. (Object
is on the list of unmediated carriers.) RDA 3.3.1.3
Julie
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Mark Ehlert wrote:
> Julie Moore wrote:
> > Were RDA to adopt the term "kit" to its list of
Were RDA to adopt the term "kit" to its list of unmediated carrier types in
3.3.1.3, and were they to define it with not only the AACR2 verbiage but to
also add "a box of stuff" in more eloquent terms. I looked up "kit" in
Mirriam-Webster online, and found: *"(3)* *:* a set of parts to be assembled
OK, so you're just saying that you are going to add "kit" and "large print"
to your list of unmediated carriers. That makes more sense, I guess. Unless
adopted into RDA, it is a local practice, however.
So my black bear and pig lungs are still an "object" ... I'm fine with that.
Julie
On Thu, S
Not all unmediated media would be a kit, even in the layman's definition of
the term. The pig lungs and the black bear that I cataloged come to mind
... and they are certainly not a kit!
Julie
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:33 PM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> Mac said:
>
We will add "kit" to unmediated m
BTW, if any RDA folks are in need of game-model-kit-realia-toy-picture-flash
card sorts of examples to think about, I'm your girl! :-)
Julie
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Julie Moore wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Mac and I have been batting this issue back and forth for awhile now on t
omas Brenndorfer
>
> Guelph Public Library
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access
> [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] *On Behalf Of *Julie Moore
> *Sent:* September 8, 2011 7:03 PM
>
> *To:* RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC
gt;
> Dimensions: tin 10 cm x 5 cm
>
> ** **
>
> I had just been reviewing this very area, so this is a first attempt at
> using the RDA elements for these kinds of examples.
>
> ** **
>
> Thomas Brenndorfer
>
> Guelph Public Library
>
> *
vity+set
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Julie Moore wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Mac and I have been batting this issue back and forth for awhile now on the
> OLAC list. These are often "kits" (in layman's terms) with pieces that you
> put together ... and the point
Dear All,
Mac and I have been batting this issue back and forth for awhile now on the
OLAC list. These are often "kits" (in layman's terms) with pieces that you
put together ... and the point is for the children to learn something with
most of them. (We buy tons of these "kits" for my Teacher Reso
My library (in its current frenzy of needing to cut resources) is looking
for titles to cut, and they are asking me about both Cataloger's Desktop and
RDA Toolkit. They are especially wondering why we are buying RDA Toolkit
when it has not even been implemented yet. I said that I use it to converse
Dear Adam,
Thank you for showing you the thought process that we might follow in trying
to come to a determination on such an access point. This is very helpful!
Julie
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Adam L. Schiff wrote:
> The resource being cataloging has this manifestation:
>
> Dr. Snoopy's
Correct me if I'm wrong, but was it not at least partially because of such
new media and the mixing of electronic with other characteristics (such as
audio or visual materials) (especially materials on the Internet) that
actually began this whole movement toward a new set of rules other than
AACR2?
My concern is that if you have
336 spoken word $2 rdacontent
337 audio $2 rdamedia
338 other $2 rda carrier
How do they know that that this thing is a Playaway, unless you say it's a
Playaway in the 300? And for matching, you must have consistency. Even for
human beings, we need consi
ry what literal they wanted to have display in their catalog. In a
> shared catalog like OCLC, I would probably follow standard practice to the
> extent it exists. In 2008 the Playaway Cataloging Joint Task Force—yes,
> there was such a thing—recommended “1 sound media player” so I would
>
Playaway Cataloging Joint Task Force—yes,
> there was such a thing—recommended “1 sound media player” so I would
> probably go with that.
> http://www.olacinc.org/drupal/capc_files/playawaysPDF.pdf
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> *From:* Resource Description and Access / Resourc
Ed,
Are you saying that you would call it a:
300 1 pre-recorded MP3 player ?
Just curious!
Thanks,
Julie
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Ed Jones wrote:
> FWIW, ONIX calls it a "pre-recorded MP3 player", which also seems to be the
> name used in the marketplace, if a Google search I jus
Ahhh! I missed the tactile part! Thanks, Mark!
Julie
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Mark Ehlert wrote:
> Julie Moore wrote:
> > In the RDA Table 6.1, I was wondering why "cartographic three-dimensional
> > form" was listed twice.
>
> It looks fine in
In the RDA Table 6.1, I was wondering why "cartographic three-dimensional
form" was listed twice.
I am guessing that it is because it is perceived through both the senses of
touch and vision?
1) "Cartographic content expressed through a form or forms intended to be
perceived through touch as a th
As long as we are looking at cataloging kits using RDA, I am also wondering
if people have cataloged playaways using RDA? (Is there a way to search
specifically for playaways with RDA records on OCLC?)
While I have been studying RDA and its relationship to playaways, I must say
that I am a tad bit
Since I catalog a lot of kits (as well as models, games, realia and other 3D
objects), I was wondering if there were any of these that were cataloged in
the "test"? I'd be really interested in seeing such records.
Julie
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:48 AM, J. McRee Elrod wrote:
> Would kit appear
it about the "why" we're going. I've heard a whole lot about "how"
we're going (the process). I would like to see some of the possibilities of
our destination.
Just an observation from a visual learner!
Best wishes,
Julie Moore
Catalogue Librarian
Henry Madde
going, illustrating the benefits
of RDA and why it's going to be so much better than our current AACR2R.
Best wishes,
Julie Moore
Catalogue Librarian
Henry Madden Library
California State University, Fresno
559.278.5813
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