[AsburyPark] Re: Top 10 Posters - past month
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Werner, is this a contest? Didn't know anyone was keeping count! Haven't been posting much, but still reading! Not a contest, Just the facts/statistics. Werner Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Please... give me a break
The Broadway ARTS LLC Group hopes to revitalize theBroadway corridor. I have been reading so much about this with very little said about what's really happening. None of the current owners are being allowed to participate in this plan and the plan will allow the use of eminent domain, if we do not bow down to the powers behind it. In a time when the entire Country is screaming out against eminent domain abuse, we here in Long Branch keep getting plan after plan all of which at it's core is the grabbing of land from current owners to give to politically affiliated friends of the Long Branch Administration. Mayor Adam Schneider has received the political support of both the Katz and Pereira families for years now. Mayor Schneider's law offices are in a building owned by one of Larry Katz's LLC's or property management companies. One may jokinglysay; "They are as thick as thieves." Only with the lower Broadway plan it's not a funny _expression_! As a current owner of property in the targeted area I felt that the stories left far too much out to be ignored. First of all two accounts said that Broadway Arts LLC, the developeris Representing a group of long-time business owners on the block. When in fact Siperstien's owner Larry Katz and his son Todd are the only businessoperatorsat property on the block in the 2 party group. None of the otherproperty owners presently on the two blocks are permitted to be included. As a matter of fact all of them who approached Todd Katz were sent away with no hope to participate. He wants to buy us all out for very little. Most are tired of his arrogant attitude and none of uscares about how close or beholding the Mayor is to him and his father. Nor do we care how many appointed official positions he has served in at the bequest of the Mayor. All we are getting is a forcedappraisal and in a short timea 2 week notice to sell or loose our land through eminent domain.Justlike the MTOTSA home owners. The City's appraiser, Hugh McGuire is the very same guy who appraised the ocean front which included Mr. Bruce Mac Cloud's Cooper avenue home. That appraisal was for $140,000.00, when Mr. Mac Cloud's appraiser came in at over $600,000.00. So how confident can we, the commercial property owners be with what is coming. A good look at lower Broadway does indicate it needs some tender loving care, no one disputes this. Frankly the buildings that need most of the workhave been used as storage and warehouses as well as industrial purposes are all owned by Mr. Katz. It's obvious to us who have been property owners for decades here, feel Mr. Katz served himself by only using his properties as storage and warehouses. One could easily conclude that he kept downtown in need of revitalization. However every property owner who has brought plans to renovate their buildings to the City were turned away, because apparently this deal between Mayor Schneider and political supporters Katz Pereira families has been in the smoke filled back rooms of political nonsense for as far back as 5 years. The plan stinks, for it is excluding the present property owners and stealing away their tenants into his proposed west bank of Lower Broadway. Besides one of the two buildings Broadway Arts LLC wants to donate to the City is the old Clem Sommers Building. Guess what, neither Katz nor The Pereira's own that building. How do you offer in a development proposal property to a City that you don't even own? Further more what does the City need with two buildings. Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments. Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss. All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their annual budgets. Do the tax payers of the City of Long Branch need this additional tax burden? I think not! Lower Broadway does not need Katz. He wants to close his business on Lower Broadway and move into theEvicted Bowling Alley he bought across from Monmouth Race Track on Joline Avenue, that's fine. To expect to use in his exit plan his political clout with Mayor Schneider to evoke eminent domain so he could take away all the commercial properties owned by us is extremely corrupt. Leave us in Peace and build a bowling alley where your paint store is now, you owe the City at least that much seeing as you eliminated the only recreational indoor facility in town with your relocation ideas. You have plenty of property here so why not add a skating rink as well. That's what you should do Mr Katz build a recreation facility where your buildings are on lower Broadwaysothe children can have a safe place to spend free time bowling, skating and enjoying movies with their familiesall good clean American fun. Rev. Kevin Brown Lighthouse Christian Center 162 Broadway, Long Branch, NJ 07740 732.222.6224 732.822.7161 SPONSORED LINKS Asbury
[AsburyPark] Re: post # 12581
Again, I wouldn't even respond to this arrogance and ignorance except that racism and classism shouldn't be ignored, in whatever form it comes. Blue Bishop--whoever you are-- I never said that there are no racists in Asbury Park. Believe me, it's alive and well. I don't know who Dan is, I responded to a posting that used code words and received a nasty reply from the author of that posting: dfsavgny. It would be nice that when a member of this board attacks another member that he or she signs the posting with their real name. Eileen Sonnier Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: post # 12581
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyact [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't attack, I attacked your assinine comment. My name is Dan Sciannameo. Take off the tin foil hat and you'll stop hearing and seeing code words when there are none. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Little Bo Peep, you must be lost with your flock. This is an Asbury Park group not a Long Branch group. Please re-direct your post to the proper group from now on. :~} --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Broadway ARTS LLC Group hopes to revitalize the Broadway corridor. I have been reading so much about this with very little said about what's really happening. None of the current owners are being allowed to participate in this plan and the plan will allow the use of eminent domain, if we do not bow down to the powers behind it. In a time when the entire Country is screaming out against eminent domain abuse, we here in Long Branch keep getting plan after plan all of which at it's core is the grabbing of land from current owners to give to politically affiliated friends of the Long Branch Administration. Mayor Adam Schneider has received the political support of both the Katz and Pereira families for years now. Mayor Schneider's law offices are in a building owned by one of Larry Katz's LLC's or property management companies. One may jokingly say; They are as thick as thieves. Only with the lower Broadway plan it's not a funny expression! As a current owner of property in the targeted area I felt that the stories left far too much out to be ignored. First of all two accounts said that Broadway Arts LLC, the developer is Representing a group of long- time business owners on the block. When in fact Siperstien's owner Larry Katz and his son Todd are the only business operators at property on the block in the 2 party group.None of the other property owners presently on the two blocks are permitted to be included. As a matter of fact all of them who approached Todd Katz were sent away with no hope to participate. He wants to buy us all out for very little. Most are tired of his arrogant attitude and none of us cares about how close or beholding the Mayor is to him and his father. Nor do we care how many appointed official positions he has served in at the bequest of the Mayor. All we are getting is a forced appraisal and in a short time a 2 week notice to sell or loose our land through eminent domain. Just like the MTOTSA home owners. The City's appraiser, Hugh McGuire is the very same guy who appraised the ocean front which included Mr. Bruce Mac Cloud's Cooper avenue home. That appraisal was for $140,000.00, when Mr. Mac Cloud's appraiser came in at over $600,000.00. So how confident can we, the commercial property owners be with what is coming. A good look at lower Broadway does indicate it needs some tender loving care, no one disputes this. Frankly the buildings that need most of the work have been used as storage and warehouses as well as industrial purposes are all owned by Mr. Katz. It's obvious to us who have been property owners for decades here, feel Mr. Katz served himself by only using his properties as storage and warehouses. One could easily conclude that he kept downtown in need of revitalization. However every property owner who has brought plans to renovate their buildings to the City were turned away, because apparently this deal between Mayor Schneider and political supporters Katz Pereira families has been in the smoke filled back rooms of political nonsense for as far back as 5 years. The plan stinks, for it is excluding the present property owners and stealing away their tenants into his proposed west bank of Lower Broadway. Besides one of the two buildings Broadway Arts LLC wants to donate to the City is the old Clem Sommers Building. Guess what, neither Katz nor The Pereira's own that building. How do you offer in a development proposal property to a City that you don't even own? Further more what does the City need with two buildings. Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments. Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss. All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their annual budgets. Do the tax payers of the City of Long Branch need this additional tax burden? I think not! Lower Broadway does not need Katz. He wants to close his business on Lower Broadway and move into the Evicted Bowling Alley he bought across from Monmouth Race Track on Joline Avenue, that's fine. To expect to use in his exit plan his political clout with Mayor Schneider to evoke eminent domain so he could take away all the commercial properties owned by us is extremely corrupt. Leave us in Peace and build a bowling alley where your paint store is now, you owe the City at least that much seeing as you eliminated the only recreational indoor facility in town with your relocation ideas. You have plenty of property here so why not add a skating
Re: [AsburyPark] Please... give me a break
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Please... give me a break Further more what does the City need with two buildings.? Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments.? Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss.? All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their annual budgets.? Do the tax payers of the City of Long Branch need this additional tax burden?? I think not! Gee, I wonder what the NYC economy would be like without the theatre district bringing thousands of people to the restaurants, hotels and stores all year long? Theatre is subsidized because its an investment in the area. Without burdens like this, towns die. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
I have a question for you Gary about what you wrote below (I've often wondered this same thing about PBS Channel 13). If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing to pay for stuff they want? No government has to subsidize Great Adventure. Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in need of government funding proof that people really don't care enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are not the best tourist draws? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further more what does the City need with two buildings. Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments. Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss. All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their annual budgets. Do the tax payers of the City of Long Branch need this additional tax burden? I think not! Gee, I wonder what the NYC economy would be like without the theatre district bringing thousands of people to the restaurants, hotels and stores all year long? Theatre is subsidized because it¹s an investment in the area. Without ³burdens² like this, towns die. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in need of government funding proof that people really don't care enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are not the best tourist draws? Do you really think that Broadway, Off-Broadway, and Off-Off Broadway really doesn't play a role in: A) the identity of New York City B) tourist dollars for New York City C) jobs for New York City If you don't see this as an investment, there's really nothing I can do to change your mind except tell you to go to the theatre districts of NYC and see what it brings to the table night after night. It's easy to get people excited about the weekends. Things like theatre bring people to the hotels and restaurants and stores every single day. Instead of trying to answer or convince you of something that should be quite obvious, let me ask you this. Why is it that virtually EVERY town/city in America that has ever been reborn has done it through the arts or entertainment? If it's not important to subsidize and MAKE SURE the arts survive then explain to me why all of these towns loved to utilize the arts to make the property attractive to business owners and lure residents in? Of course, most towns/cities are stupid enough to try pushing the arts out after the property values are high enough... Then, like karma, the towns start their downward slide to obscurity again while the artists move and improve a different area. That's why I think Asbury Park is in a unique situation. It truly is close to starting over from scratch. Why not be the town to EMBRACE the arts instead of pushing them away after luring people to the area? Why follow the same pattern that everyone else does when you can use the arts to your advantage? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing to pay for stuff they want? If millions of people truly wish to drive their automobiles on highways, rather than use bicycles, buses, cabs and trains, why in the world would we have to subsidize roads? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for you Gary about what you wrote below (I've often wondered this same thing about PBS Channel 13). If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing to pay for stuff they want? No government has to subsidize Great Adventure. Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in need of government funding proof that people really don't care enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are not the best tourist draws? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further more what does the City need with two buildings. Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments. Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss. All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their annual budgets. Do the tax payers of the City of Long Branch need this additional tax burden? I think not! Gee, I wonder what the NYC economy would be like without the theatre district bringing thousands of people to the restaurants, hotels and stores all year long? Theatre is subsidized because it¹s an investment in the area. Without ³burdens² like this, towns die. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Wonder Bar, for the Asbury Music Awards Awareness Showcase
Last night while at the Wonder Bar, for the Asbury Music Awards Awareness Showcase, I was approached by Caroline O'Toole manager and chief bottle washer of the Stone Pony. What transpired may or may not offend 12 year olds, but I'm certain the language will deeply upset an old maid resident of this board. If you can stomach colorful language click the link. http://www.jerseyshoregourmet.com/miscellaneous/Asbury/Caroline_O%92Toole.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
On 10/3/05 4:02 PM, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing to pay for stuff they want? If millions of people truly wish to drive their automobiles on highways, rather than use bicycles, buses, cabs and trains, why in the world would we have to subsidize roads? Or why do we subsidize the airline industry? Why do we offer grants and assistance to business owners? If their idea is so great, why do they need money? In the end, societies are recognized and remembered for their art... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Gary please don't mistake my question for an assertion. I've taken no position here. I'm just trying to understand what you are saying. I still need an answer. Why does a place like Great Adventure thrive financially with no government subsidy, yet theaters and art districts, which you maintain are big draws need subsidy? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in need of government funding proof that people really don't care enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are not the best tourist draws? Do you really think that Broadway, Off-Broadway, and Off-Off Broadway really doesn't play a role in: A) the identity of New York City B) tourist dollars for New York City C) jobs for New York City If you don't see this as an investment, there's really nothing I can do to change your mind except tell you to go to the theatre districts of NYC and see what it brings to the table night after night. It's easy to get people excited about the weekends. Things like theatre bring people to the hotels and restaurants and stores every single day. Instead of trying to answer or convince you of something that should be quite obvious, let me ask you this. Why is it that virtually EVERY town/city in America that has ever been reborn has done it through the arts or entertainment? If it's not important to subsidize and MAKE SURE the arts survive then explain to me why all of these towns loved to utilize the arts to make the property attractive to business owners and lure residents in? Of course, most towns/cities are stupid enough to try pushing the arts out after the property values are high enough... Then, like karma, the towns start their downward slide to obscurity again while the artists move and improve a different area. That's why I think Asbury Park is in a unique situation. It truly is close to starting over from scratch. Why not be the town to EMBRACE the arts instead of pushing them away after luring people to the area? Why follow the same pattern that everyone else does when you can use the arts to your advantage? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
Roads are government owned, Skip. That isn't a private subsidy. If millions of people truly wish to drive their automobiles on highways, rather than use bicycles, buses, cabs and trains, why in the world would we have to subsidize roads? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for you Gary about what you wrote below (I've often wondered this same thing about PBS Channel 13). If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing to pay for stuff they want? No government has to subsidize Great Adventure. Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in need of government funding proof that people really don't care enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are not the best tourist draws? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further more what does the City need with two buildings. Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments. Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss. All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their annual budgets. Do the tax payers of the City of Long Branch need this additional tax burden? I think not! Gee, I wonder what the NYC economy would be like without the theatre district bringing thousands of people to the restaurants, hotels and stores all year long? Theatre is subsidized because it¹s an investment in the area. Without ³burdens² like this, towns die. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
On 10/3/05 4:27 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary please don't mistake my question for an assertion. I've taken no position here. I'm just trying to understand what you are saying. I still need an answer. Why does a place like Great Adventure thrive financially with no government subsidy, yet theaters and art districts, which you maintain are big draws need subsidy? I guess you have to look at the bigger picture. Why do trashy television shows get better ratings than shows that try to make a statement? Why do trashy novels sell more than pure literature? One could say that in a free market society that this is a good thing; however, why is it that schools will include great literature in their classrooms but ignore the trashy novels that outsell those books 6-1? Could it be because it's part of a greater good? I think so. I think that's why the government tries to help businesses get off of the ground. Let's face it, Six Flags is part of a gigantic corporation that can afford to run tons of ads down the throats of the masses while a normal theatre cannot ever expect to do so. While there is a lot of costs to running an amusement park or a Fortune 500 company, there are plenty of costs involved in running a theatre (as you, more than most, are aware of). In addition to rent, there are hefty utility costs, salaries to stagehands, directors, actors, lighting crews, stage designers, marketers, etc. Unfortunately, you would be very, very hard-pressed to survive at $20-$50 ticket prices. And that's the rub. Theatre exists to show the good and bad of society. It is our truth teller. It's our pathway from the past to the present and where we are headed. Theatre tries to do this at a price that people can afford. Sometimes it may seem expensive, but when compared to what a normal business would have to charge to make a profit (or just survive) it is a bargain. But that bargain comes with a price. It means tons of fundraising, begging everyone from single subscribers to giant corporations to the government. And the government plays the smallest role of any of them. It plays a necessary role, but a small one. Theatres have been forced to find alternative sources for 96-98% of their operating budget. What does it cost per person to subsidize PBS? It's a meaninglessly small number. I don't care if you never watch PBS, if you're gonna complain about what the government subsidizes towards arts culture than you better go through the budget and pick out the thousands of other things that have no bearing on your life and complain about those as well. Subsidization may sound awful, but it happens in almost every industry. Why do people feel bad about the poor farmer who's got a decision about selling the family farm for a couple of million dollars to a developer who wants to put up a shopping mall but they hate the fact that artists are being helped? Maybe the problem is that America shoots for the lowest common denominator. We despise our European roots because they still believe in things like art culture as defining a society. We fail to understand how there could be Muslims who are so offended by what we call art these days that they want our society to be wiped out. To MOST OF THE WORLD, arts culture is how they want to be remembered. I guess Americans would rather be remembered for how well their stock did today. We don't think of legacies or legends; heroes or people who changed the world. We think of immediate gratification. August Wilson passed away yesterday. In some places around the world, I expect there is a significant loss being felt. It's a shame that 99% of the people in America have no idea who Wilson was. And that's why the arts should be subsidized in my opinion. Because men like August Wilson have done so much for society that people SHOULD know about them instead of having them linger in obscurity... While we linger in ignorance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
Or why do we subsidize the airline industry? Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain themselves. Why do we offer grants and assistance to business owners? Usually to start them up, not to sustain them. If it is to sustain them, then it is because they aren't a big enough commercial draw. Now, how about those theaters and art districts? Are the susbsidies necessary because they aren't a big enough commercial draw? If their idea is so great, why do they need money? In the end, societies are recognized and remembered for their art... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
New York theaters put on professional shows. Locally you get the ocassional touring company. Someone from Jersey isn't going to drive to AP to see some community theatre. Hey Judy! Hey Mickey! Let's put on a show! Who wants those artsy fartsy wierdos hanging around their neighborhoods anyway? Just D.J. of the Slime City News. ]:~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in need of government funding proof that people really don't care enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are not the best tourist draws? Do you really think that Broadway, Off-Broadway, and Off-Off Broadway really doesn't play a role in: A) the identity of New York City B) tourist dollars for New York City C) jobs for New York City If you don't see this as an investment, there's really nothing I can do to change your mind except tell you to go to the theatre districts of NYC and see what it brings to the table night after night. It's easy to get people excited about the weekends. Things like theatre bring people to the hotels and restaurants and stores every single day. Instead of trying to answer or convince you of something that should be quite obvious, let me ask you this. Why is it that virtually EVERY town/city in America that has ever been reborn has done it through the arts or entertainment? If it's not important to subsidize and MAKE SURE the arts survive then explain to me why all of these towns loved to utilize the arts to make the property attractive to business owners and lure residents in? Of course, most towns/cities are stupid enough to try pushing the arts out after the property values are high enough... Then, like karma, the towns start their downward slide to obscurity again while the artists move and improve a different area. That's why I think Asbury Park is in a unique situation. It truly is close to starting over from scratch. Why not be the town to EMBRACE the arts instead of pushing them away after luring people to the area? Why follow the same pattern that everyone else does when you can use the arts to your advantage? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
On 10/3/05 4:49 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or why do we subsidize the airline industry? Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain themselves. I don't understand. Why is that okay? People do not HAVE to fly. By subsidizing the industry and rescuing them time and time from bankruptcy courts, aren't we basically saying that we NEED to fly? When there are obviously alternative methods of transportation. Do conservatives complain about this? Just wondering, I really don't know whether they do or not; however, it would seem to be a perfect case of wasteful spending. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
I know who he was. One of the Wilson brothers from the Beach Boys! ];~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 4:27 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary please don't mistake my question for an assertion. I've taken no position here. I'm just trying to understand what you are saying. I still need an answer. Why does a place like Great Adventure thrive financially with no government subsidy, yet theaters and art districts, which you maintain are big draws need subsidy? I guess you have to look at the bigger picture. Why do trashy television shows get better ratings than shows that try to make a statement? Why do trashy novels sell more than pure literature? One could say that in a free market society that this is a good thing; however, why is it that schools will include great literature in their classrooms but ignore the trashy novels that outsell those books 6- 1? Could it be because it's part of a greater good? I think so. I think that's why the government tries to help businesses get off of the ground. Let's face it, Six Flags is part of a gigantic corporation that can afford to run tons of ads down the throats of the masses while a normal theatre cannot ever expect to do so. While there is a lot of costs to running an amusement park or a Fortune 500 company, there are plenty of costs involved in running a theatre (as you, more than most, are aware of). In addition to rent, there are hefty utility costs, salaries to stagehands, directors, actors, lighting crews, stage designers, marketers, etc. Unfortunately, you would be very, very hard-pressed to survive at $20-$50 ticket prices. And that's the rub. Theatre exists to show the good and bad of society. It is our truth teller. It's our pathway from the past to the present and where we are headed. Theatre tries to do this at a price that people can afford. Sometimes it may seem expensive, but when compared to what a normal business would have to charge to make a profit (or just survive) it is a bargain. But that bargain comes with a price. It means tons of fundraising, begging everyone from single subscribers to giant corporations to the government. And the government plays the smallest role of any of them. It plays a necessary role, but a small one. Theatres have been forced to find alternative sources for 96-98% of their operating budget. What does it cost per person to subsidize PBS? It's a meaninglessly small number. I don't care if you never watch PBS, if you're gonna complain about what the government subsidizes towards arts culture than you better go through the budget and pick out the thousands of other things that have no bearing on your life and complain about those as well. Subsidization may sound awful, but it happens in almost every industry. Why do people feel bad about the poor farmer who's got a decision about selling the family farm for a couple of million dollars to a developer who wants to put up a shopping mall but they hate the fact that artists are being helped? Maybe the problem is that America shoots for the lowest common denominator. We despise our European roots because they still believe in things like art culture as defining a society. We fail to understand how there could be Muslims who are so offended by what we call art these days that they want our society to be wiped out. To MOST OF THE WORLD, arts culture is how they want to be remembered. I guess Americans would rather be remembered for how well their stock did today. We don't think of legacies or legends; heroes or people who changed the world. We think of immediate gratification. August Wilson passed away yesterday. In some places around the world, I expect there is a significant loss being felt. It's a shame that 99% of the people in America have no idea who Wilson was. And that's why the arts should be subsidized in my opinion. Because men like August Wilson have done so much for society that people SHOULD know about them instead of having them linger in obscurity... While we linger in ignorance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
At 8:49 PM + 10/3/05, bluebishop82 wrote: Or why do we subsidize the airline industry? Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain themselves. Are you suggesting that we should halt the subsidy of the airlines? (it's a question, not an assertion.) What about AmTrak? (Again, a question, not an assertion.) ~joe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
Roads are government owned, Skip. That isn't a private subsidy. Roads, fuel and automobile manufacturers are subsidized initially to develop that industry, today habitually because the risk of not doing so is the loss of too many votes for either of the oligopolist parties to risk. The same mindset exists for any industry able to lobby either party with the message to lose us is to risk the safety or wellbeing of the nation; since politicians are jacks-of-all-trades and masters of none, and know that to curry favor with the powerful is to provide for their autumn years, the game plays on. American commerce is riddled with subsidy, privilege and special interest, and the bigger you are the more certain this is. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roads are government owned, Skip. That isn't a private subsidy. If millions of people truly wish to drive their automobiles on highways, rather than use bicycles, buses, cabs and trains, why in the world would we have to subsidize roads? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question for you Gary about what you wrote below (I've often wondered this same thing about PBS Channel 13). If thousands of people truly wish to flock to theater districts, why in the world would we have to subsidize them? Aren't people willing to pay for stuff they want? No government has to subsidize Great Adventure. Isn't the fact that theater and art districts are in need of government funding proof that people really don't care enough about them to pay for them, and therefore proof that they are not the best tourist draws? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further more what does the City need with two buildings. Operating theatres is not a good idea for Municipal Governments. Almost every theatre company in New Jersey operates at a loss. All of them are subsidized as much as 50% of their annual budgets. Do the tax payers of the City of Long Branch need this additional tax burden? I think not! Gee, I wonder what the NYC economy would be like without the theatre district bringing thousands of people to the restaurants, hotels and stores all year long? Theatre is subsidized because it¹s an investment in the area. Without ³burdens² like this, towns die. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
I always got those two confused! Well he's dead now so no more confusion. ];~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know who he was. One of the Wilson brothers from the Beach Boys! You're confusing August with Ringo. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know who he was. One of the Wilson brothers from the Beach Boys! ];~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 4:27 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary please don't mistake my question for an assertion. I've taken no position here. I'm just trying to understand what you are saying. I still need an answer. Why does a place like Great Adventure thrive financially with no government subsidy, yet theaters and art districts, which you maintain are big draws need subsidy? I guess you have to look at the bigger picture. Why do trashy television shows get better ratings than shows that try to make a statement? Why do trashy novels sell more than pure literature? One could say that in a free market society that this is a good thing; however, why is it that schools will include great literature in their classrooms but ignore the trashy novels that outsell those books 6- 1? Could it be because it's part of a greater good? I think so. I think that's why the government tries to help businesses get off of the ground. Let's face it, Six Flags is part of a gigantic corporation that can afford to run tons of ads down the throats of the masses while a normal theatre cannot ever expect to do so. While there is a lot of costs to running an amusement park or a Fortune 500 company, there are plenty of costs involved in running a theatre (as you, more than most, are aware of). In addition to rent, there are hefty utility costs, salaries to stagehands, directors, actors, lighting crews, stage designers, marketers, etc. Unfortunately, you would be very, very hard-pressed to survive at $20-$50 ticket prices. And that's the rub. Theatre exists to show the good and bad of society. It is our truth teller. It's our pathway from the past to the present and where we are headed. Theatre tries to do this at a price that people can afford. Sometimes it may seem expensive, but when compared to what a normal business would have to charge to make a profit (or just survive) it is a bargain. But that bargain comes with a price. It means tons of fundraising, begging everyone from single subscribers to giant corporations to the government. And the government plays the smallest role of any of them. It plays a necessary role, but a small one. Theatres have been forced to find alternative sources for 96-98% of their operating budget. What does it cost per person to subsidize PBS? It's a meaninglessly small number. I don't care if you never watch PBS, if you're gonna complain about what the government subsidizes towards arts culture than you better go through the budget and pick out the thousands of other things that have no bearing on your life and complain about those as well. Subsidization may sound awful, but it happens in almost every industry. Why do people feel bad about the poor farmer who's got a decision about selling the family farm for a couple of million dollars to a developer who wants to put up a shopping mall but they hate the fact that artists are being helped? Maybe the problem is that America shoots for the lowest common denominator. We despise our European roots because they still believe in things like art culture as defining a society. We fail to understand how there could be Muslims who are so offended by what we call art these days that they want our society to be wiped out. To MOST OF THE WORLD, arts culture is how they want to be remembered. I guess Americans would rather be remembered for how well their stock did today. We don't think of legacies or legends; heroes or people who changed the world. We think of immediate gratification. August Wilson passed away yesterday. In some places around the world, I expect there is a significant loss being felt. It's a shame that 99% of the people in America have no idea who Wilson was. And that's why the arts should be subsidized in my opinion. Because men like August Wilson have done so much for society that people SHOULD know about them instead of having them linger in obscurity... While we linger in ignorance. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
The only people I see outside that theater are drug dealers. They must be waiting to see West Side Story or Valley of the Dolls. ]:~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 4:51 PM, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New York theaters put on professional shows. Locally you get the ocassional touring company. Someone from Jersey isn't going to drive to AP to see some community theatre. Hey Judy! Hey Mickey! Let's put on a show! Who wants those artsy fartsy wierdos hanging around their neighborhoods anyway? Just D.J. of the Slime City News. ]:~) Sandy, Did you know that just up the road in Long Branch is a PROFESSIONAL theatre that performs the same world premiere shows that wind up in New York City? They've world premiered work by some of the best contemporary playwrights in the country. It's hardly community theatre. And if Asbury Park gets a theatre, chances are it would develop into a fine regional theatre as well. Regional theatres like McCarter Theatre (Princeton), George Street Playhouse (New Brunswick) and Crossroads Theatre (New Brunswick) play major roles in bringing people to those towns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
On 10/3/05 5:20 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS, NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts. Let these freeloaders work for a living like the rest of us. If that is the only things you are against I suggest you go through the list again. You'll find many freeloaders in a zillion industries that are on the list thanks to campaign contributions and lobbists. My point is that it's a bit absurd for people to single out the arts in a budget like ours with pork everywhere and the arts only being the tiniest fraction of the budget. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
Cetainly is a concept that is on the table for me. Of course the airling subsidy might be the payoff for such extreme regulation. Perhaps the way to end the subsidy is to de-regulate and let business handle their business, which also means my tax money gets to stay in my pocket. By all means yes - let's look at ending these subsidies. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 8:49 PM + 10/3/05, bluebishop82 wrote: Or why do we subsidize the airline industry? Because they don't have a big enough commercial draw to sustain themselves. Are you suggesting that we should halt the subsidy of the airlines? (it's a question, not an assertion.) What about AmTrak? (Again, a question, not an assertion.) ~joe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
I agree that there are certainly pieces of art that I wouldn't call artwork, although I am sure that some people would think otherwise. I love being called a cultural elitist because it shows that people aren't paying attention. I want art - all forms of art. Express every viewpoint. I'm not looking to censor or get rid of anyone's point of view. You want to run a gallery presenting our glorious president in every aspect of his life - fine with me. You want to create a play showing how McCarthy should be considered one of the true heroes in America - fine with me. But when you want to cut off funding for the arts because it expresses opinions that you don't agree with, that's where we disagree. Personally, I think much of talk radio does nothing but spew lies and contribute to the divide in our society that we have today. But I'm not saying it should go away. I believe the idea of Americans being able to freely express themselves is the mark of a Patriot. To do less, is to be an enemy to all that America was supposed to be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS, NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts. Let these freeloaders work for a living like the rest of us. Tom Being of Italian descent I thought you would have an inherent appreciation for music, the arts and culture. While I enjoy an occasional piece of mindless junk just like the rest of use, your remedy sounds like we'll be left with nothing but the Dukes of Hazzard. When you do finally come to power, please don't take off Lidia's Italian Kitchen, I'll be lost. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
I'm with you. Let's cut the rest of the pork along with the arts. We can start with everything Democrat Senator (and former KKK recruiter) Robert Byrd has ever proposed in his entire career, since he holds the record for more pork projects than any other Senator in history (and he's still at it). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 5:20 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS, NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts. Let these freeloaders work for a living like the rest of us. If that is the only things you are against I suggest you go through the list again. You'll find many freeloaders in a zillion industries that are on the list thanks to campaign contributions and lobbists. My point is that it's a bit absurd for people to single out the arts in a budget like ours with pork everywhere and the arts only being the tiniest fraction of the budget. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
On 10/3/05 5:32 PM, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only people I see outside that theater are drug dealers. They must be waiting to see West Side Story or Valley of the Dolls. ]:~) Guess it must be a different crowd on press nights... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Blue: you never answered my question
If it's so bad to subsidize the arts then why has virtually every town/city in America used the arts to be the first step in the revitilization of their town? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Gary you said: But when you want to cut off funding for the arts because it expresses opinions that you don't agree with, that's where we disagree. Actually we don't disagree on that, we disagree on this - I don't want to fund anyone's opinion, right or left. You apparantly do. Personally, I think much of talk radio does nothing but spew lies and contribute to the divide in our society that we have today. But I'm not saying it should go away. Very easy to say you don't want it to go away, but imagine tomorrow there was a tax on your paycheck to subsidize the Rush Limbaugh show and the Sean Hannity show. You would be outraged, wouldn't you? It is almost silly to think it could happen, right? Well it is happening. Everytime I hear those left wing-nuts on PBS and NPR, I cringe that my tax dollars are forced to pay for left wing ideologues. Everytime I have to hear of my tax dollars paying for art such as Piss Christ or the Virgin Mary splattered with elephant dung (both real pieces of art that your tax dollars funded) yes I get angry and want it stopped. Stop all funding of the arts with my money and let's see you guys sell that stuff on the open market. You can't because art today stinks. Rush and Sean make a fortune with no government help becuase they have a great product that people want. I have to tell you, if the NJMHOF is going to reflect your America bashing ideology, I'll pull my support (but of course you guys will just tax it out of me against my will anyway, so I guess you aren't scared by the threat). I believe the idea of Americans being able to freely express themselves is the mark of a Patriot. To do less, is to be an enemy to all that America was supposed to be. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everytime I hear those left wing-nuts on PBS and NPR, I cringe that my tax dollars are forced to pay for left wing ideologues. Everytime I have to hear of my tax dollars paying for art such as Piss Christ or the Virgin Mary splattered with elephant dung (both real pieces of art that your tax dollars funded) yes I get angry and want it stopped. Tom, pick up a copy of today's NY Law Journal. Christopher Dunn (ACLU) writes an article on the Courts' decisions on these matters ranging from the Guiliani/Bklyn Museum incident you cite to Pataki's recent pulling of support for the IFC at Ground Zero. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Delay Indicted
They say a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. I guess old Tommy Boy too. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pick a side. Are we good or bad? You with America or against her? In other words Gary, Do you still beat your wife? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
On 10/3/05 7:06 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you not read his post bashing Americans? You called me unpatriotic. Well, free speech is (currently) still a part of the constitution. Patriots are supposed to follow the constitution are they not? So, if you're against the free speech portion (as it relates to art) does that mean you are unpatriotic? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
On 10/3/05 5:43 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you. Let's cut the rest of the pork along with the arts. We can start with everything Democrat Senator (and former KKK recruiter) Robert Byrd has ever proposed in his entire career, since he holds the record for more pork projects than any other Senator in history (and he's still at it). Just curious, but why must everything be black or white for you? You RARELY answer a question like this without mentioning a Democrat yet the Republicans just rammed a transportation bill loaded with billions of dollars in PORK and you don't put that first on your list. Shouldn't that be first since the bill hasn't even been started yet, so nobody would miss it? This is why we need an INDEPENDENT to run the country. Yes, it would be incredibly difficult for one to ever win an election; yes, they would be in a constant battle with Congress. But they wouldn't be beholden to anyone and they just might be able to take the sports (my side, your side) edge out of politics. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] One last note on funding
I can see Werner going crazy with these posts that bare only a small reference to Asbury Park Blue: since you said you didn't want to fund anyone's ideas - right or left... How do you feel about our tax dollars funding schools? Personally, I think it's horrible that my money largely goes to fund kids that aren't mine. Even worse, I think it's insane that people who choose not to have kids are forced to pay for the education of those who do have kids. How is this funding ANY different than the funding of ideas through the arts? Especially since the arts is such a small part of the budget yet education is what drives our property taxes through the roof... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
Dead wrong. Pat Fasano brought back the downtown; and it is because he built condos above the stores, not art galleries. Check with Stuart K to see if art started Jersey City's comeback. I seriously doubt it; construction of office buildings and condos did the trick. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 6:06 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not prepared to concede your premise, so I can't answer until you show me your proof that virtually every town/city in America used the arts to be the first step in revitilization. How many towns / cities would you like me to list? Or how about just a few New Jersey / NYC ones? Take a look at the revitalization of Brooklyn, Jersey City and Lambertville. Or closer to home with Red Bank or even closer - Asbury Park. Tell me that the downtown areas in these towns were not largely revitalized due to the arts. I'd bet a wager that more people started coming to Asbury Park once the art galleries sprung up, wouldn't you? By the way, didn't you just a couple of posts ago assert your complete contempt for Americans because they don't value art? Yet here you are now crediting virtually every revitialized town with respecting the arts. No, I think most people in charge are idiots because they watch the artists make areas worth living in and then start forcing them out. And that has happened in many of the towns listed above. For example, warehouses in Jersey City that nobody used or wanted for decades became places where artists lived and worked. Those same places (now fixed up and worth a lot of money) have largely kicked the artists out. Pick a side. Are we good or bad? You with America or against her? I'll quote a local artist on this one from a song I know you'd detest. They say love her or leave her, Well why can't I do both? -Rick Barry Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
I don't want to stop you from speaking; I just don't think I should be forced to pay for your microphone. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 7:06 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you not read his post bashing Americans? You called me unpatriotic. Well, free speech is (currently) still a part of the constitution. Patriots are supposed to follow the constitution are they not? So, if you're against the free speech portion (as it relates to art) does that mean you are unpatriotic? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Break The Bank
I appreciate everything that was said about my concerns in respect to another land grab by evoking eminent domain!! Now a few follow up remarks: The little bow peep remark and comment... Not worth a remark!!! You would do well to learn the lessons on Miriam before you experience them. Theatres are great I too enjoy them. I will be performing in a community theatre play this holiday season. I also took classes at the Long Branch Equity Theatre. However, why would it benefit a small community like Long Branch with three theatres??? This is not New York City. I wanted to see Lewis Black the comedian, so I drove into NYC. Paid $50.00 to park the car. $75.00 each for tickets. Gasoline and tolls 20 - a meal at The Carnegie Deli $100.00. I enjoyed it. That was weekend before last. Last February I went to a play on the West Side of NYC... Just about the same costs. That's my contribution $700.00 two nights out. The last few times I went out on the locals I spent less than $70.00 and had just as much fun. My point is, we don't need to take property by eminent domain to create theatre districts, or do we??? Kevin Brown YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Common ground for us again, my friend. My second biggest knock on Bush is that he has never, ever used a veto. Every bit of pork has gone through. Let's stop it all. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05 5:43 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm with you. Let's cut the rest of the pork along with the arts. We can start with everything Democrat Senator (and former KKK recruiter) Robert Byrd has ever proposed in his entire career, since he holds the record for more pork projects than any other Senator in history (and he's still at it). Just curious, but why must everything be black or white for you? You RARELY answer a question like this without mentioning a Democrat yet the Republicans just rammed a transportation bill loaded with billions of dollars in PORK and you don't put that first on your list. Shouldn't that be first since the bill hasn't even been started yet, so nobody would miss it? This is why we need an INDEPENDENT to run the country. Yes, it would be incredibly difficult for one to ever win an election; yes, they would be in a constant battle with Congress. But they wouldn't be beholden to anyone and they just might be able to take the sports (my side, your side) edge out of politics. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding
Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see Werner going crazy with these posts that bare only a small reference to Asbury Park Blue: since you said you didn't want to fund anyone's ideas - right or left... How do you feel about our tax dollars funding schools? Personally, I think it's horrible that my money largely goes to fund kids that aren't mine. Even worse, I think it's insane that people who choose not to have kids are forced to pay for the education of those who do have kids. How is this funding ANY different than the funding of ideas through the arts? Especially since the arts is such a small part of the budget yet education is what drives our property taxes through the roof... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Break The Bank
Title: Re: [AsburyPark] Break The Bank Theatres are great I too enjoy them. I will be performing in a community theatre play this holiday season. I also took classes at the Long Branch Equity Theatre. However, why would it benefit a small community like Long Branch with three theatres??? This is not New York City. So, we shouldnt set our sites for good things because NYC is close? I wanted to see Lewis Black the comedian, so I drove into NYC. Paid $50.00 to park the car. $75.00 each for tickets. Gasoline and tolls 20 - a meal at The Carnegie Deli $100.00. I enjoyed it. That was weekend before last. Last February I went to a play on the West Side of NYC... Just about the same costs. That's my contribution $700.00 two nights out. You could have traveled five miles and see Lewis Black in Red Bank as well. The last few times I went out on the locals I spent less than $70.00 and had just as much fun. My point is, we don't need to take property by eminent domain to create theatre districts, or do we??? Im against the use of eminent domain. All Im saying is that I could show a million studies with proof about how cities and towns are revitalized through the arts. Long Branch could certainly handle three theaters just as New Brunswick has created a theatre row with three theaters all performing world-class productions as neighbors to each other. Whats the population of Long Branch versus New Brunswick? Id guess they werent that far apart. Try visiting the theatre district of New Brunswick one night. Youll see just how vital of a role those three theaters are to the local economy. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding
On 10/3/05 7:47 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. And with that you forget about the 99% of art that doesn't involve that as all. The worst thing Giulini ever did was promote that exhibit. If he hadn't said anything, it most likely would have been shut down quickly due to lack of interest. And by the way, there are plenty of studies of how introducing kids to art and music dramatically helps them in school. But spending money is spending money. Just be consistent. Why shouldn't a school have to grovel for corporate sponsorship too? Maybe Asbury Park High School should be renamed Coke Presents Asbury Park High School and we can all save a LOT of money. After all, another place we can agree on is that education is where the vast majority of our tax dollars flow. And vouchers won't solve that problem either. It's still going to take our tax dollars... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding -- the weaknesses of your argument
However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. Being ever so sensitive to your moods, and not wanting to call you a liar, might you tell us where oh great BlindBishop did you see, read or hear that anyone is training anybody to piss on a crucifix? One of the weaknesses of your argument, and your ever present niggardliness, is that you simultaneously fail to appreciate that education is not confined to school hours, days or facilities, and that were you successful and might grab all the money in the world, you would still remain a miserable bastard. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see Werner going crazy with these posts that bare only a small reference to Asbury Park Blue: since you said you didn't want to fund anyone's ideas - right or left... How do you feel about our tax dollars funding schools? Personally, I think it's horrible that my money largely goes to fund kids that aren't mine. Even worse, I think it's insane that people who choose not to have kids are forced to pay for the education of those who do have kids. How is this funding ANY different than the funding of ideas through the arts? Especially since the arts is such a small part of the budget yet education is what drives our property taxes through the roof... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding
Does anyone else notice since funding for the fine arts have been cut in Public Schools in the mid-90s how embarrassingly small high school bands have gotten? You can also say the cutting of physical education budgets is positively correlated to the level of childhood obesity. Whatever happened to Anima Sana in Corpore Sano? I guess it's been replaced with Save a buck screw the future. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding
On 10/3/05 8:20 PM, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I assume from your argument against subsidies that you are against PILOT programs tax abatements for million-dollar townhouses? Not only that, but I'm guessing he's definitely against the use of tax abatements to lure people into condos with an ocean-view. God knows, we must be dragging people by their hair to take a brand new condo with a view of the Atlantic. I'm sure they'd prefer to be staring at the back of a building or something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
Southwest Airlines, JetBlue, AirTran others have developed a pretty profitable business model without using the government subsidies/government regulation. I don't have an opinion on Amtrak, as the only people I know who use it on a regular basis are politicians lobbyists. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you suggesting that we should halt the subsidy of the airlines? (it's a question, not an assertion.) What about AmTrak? (Again, a question, not an assertion.) ~joe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding
I care for it so little that I'm willing to make a trade. How about no abatements of private condo taxes in exchange for no funding of PBS, NPR and NEA? Deal? My side is ready. Your side won't compromise as usual. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I assume from your argument against subsidies that you are against PILOT programs tax abatements for million-dollar townhouses? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding -- the weaknesses of your argument
Skippy you've grown very mean from being drunk everyday. (hiccup!). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. Being ever so sensitive to your moods, and not wanting to call you a liar, might you tell us where oh great BlindBishop did you see, read or hear that anyone is training anybody to piss on a crucifix? One of the weaknesses of your argument, and your ever present niggardliness, is that you simultaneously fail to appreciate that education is not confined to school hours, days or facilities, and that were you successful and might grab all the money in the world, you would still remain a miserable bastard. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see Werner going crazy with these posts that bare only a small reference to Asbury Park Blue: since you said you didn't want to fund anyone's ideas - right or left... How do you feel about our tax dollars funding schools? Personally, I think it's horrible that my money largely goes to fund kids that aren't mine. Even worse, I think it's insane that people who choose not to have kids are forced to pay for the education of those who do have kids. How is this funding ANY different than the funding of ideas through the arts? Especially since the arts is such a small part of the budget yet education is what drives our property taxes through the roof... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you not read his post bashing Americans? Also, your use of that chestnut is way off. If is only appropriate if I'm boxing an answer in my questions. Below are clearly either or questions. Tom, if not boxing questions then you certainly restate and reframe, while twisting what someone says, and pose it in a question that you don't even expect answer to. Another old cross exam trick, it doesn't require an answer, the jury heard it. Withdrawn is what the attorney usually responds quickly. Where did he bash Americans? he pointed out some shortcomings in today's society as you and we all do. Are you bashing Americans when you point out a criticism? You do not think that overall society is obsessed now with the value of their home and a few years ago the value of their stock portfolio? You live in such a narrowly defined world. I think your afraid of freedom. Your America is a dark place, I am glad I'm not part of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
If saying what he said wasn't bashing America, what exactly would qualify as bashing America? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you not read his post bashing Americans? Also, your use of that chestnut is way off. If is only appropriate if I'm boxing an answer in my questions. Below are clearly either or questions. Tom, if not boxing questions then you certainly restate and reframe, while twisting what someone says, and pose it in a question that you don't even expect answer to. Another old cross exam trick, it doesn't require an answer, the jury heard it. Withdrawn is what the attorney usually responds quickly. Where did he bash Americans? he pointed out some shortcomings in today's society as you and we all do. Are you bashing Americans when you point out a criticism? You do not think that overall society is obsessed now with the value of their home and a few years ago the value of their stock portfolio? You live in such a narrowly defined world. I think your afraid of freedom. Your America is a dark place, I am glad I'm not part of it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Live Repeat Electric News For Asbury
Greetings if you missed my live broadcast at 8 PM you can catch the replay as it repeats 10:30 pm and every hour on the half hour through the morning. It was a good show. Being that this is an asbury chat board you can catch the broadcast on the webat the following: http://www.asburyparknj.com http://www.asburyparkcity.com http://www.asburyparkvideo.com Peace to all! Kevin Brown Live Electric News week nights a 8 PM est. http://www.electricnews.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "AsburyPark" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[AsburyPark] Re: Live Repeat Electric News For Asbury
Boy are you starving for attention! ]:~) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings if you missed my live broadcast at 8 PM you can catch the replay as it repeats 10:30 pm and every hour on the half hour through the morning. It was a good show. Being that this is an asbury chat board you can catch the broadcast on the web at the following: _http://www.asburyparknj.com_ (http://www.asburyparknj.com) _http://www.asburyparkcity.com_ (http://www.asburyparkcity.com) _http://www.asburyparkvideo.com_ (http://www.asburyparkvideo.com) Peace to all! Kevin Brown Live Electric News week nights a 8 PM est. _http://www.electricnews.com_ (http://www.electricnews.com) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If saying what he said wasn't bashing America, what exactly would qualify as bashing America? Many things I assume, but I would have to judge each individually. But short of saying all Americans suck, or that this is a terrible country to live in, I don't think much. I certainly have not heard any bashing on this forum. What makes you the arbiter of whether someone's criticisms of aspects of our society or culture are unpatriotic or anti-American? I saying that American society as a whole is obsessed with youth and the supericial appearance of it unpatriotic? I think Gary's observation that our society looks for the lowest common denominator in entertainment is valid, how else can you explain the popularity of Paris Hilton and some of the crap we watch? God help this country when we can't criticize ourselves with being considered unpatriotic, whatever that means. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS, NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts. Let these freeloaders work for a living like the rest of us. Tom Thank God the popes through the ages, even the most corrupt, maybe especially the most corrupt (see The March of Folly, I don't remember the author), were patrons of the arts and subsidized them liberally. We have them and their talented artists to thank for most of the wonders residing in the very crowded museums of Rome and Florence. Had Papa Tomasso, formerly Il Vescovo Azzurro, been around at the time, Michelangelo would have been a house painter or sculptor of ice swans for the banquets of the nobility. And spare me the nonsense about some modern artists defacing religious artifacts, etc. The popes paid for a lot of dreck, too. Fortunately for them, they could always rely on the Inquisition to take care of the really bad stuff. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
To come to your conclusion Dan, you must ignore that Gary didn't think he was talking about a subject of mere frivolity as you suggest (Paris Hilton). To Gary, we are worse people than the Europeans because of their great respect for art and our lack of it. To Gary, this is one of the most important issues in the world, which is why he certainly was bashing Americans. As for asking me what makes you the arbiter of what is America bashing, by coming to the opposite conclusion, are you not arbitrating the issue yourself? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If saying what he said wasn't bashing America, what exactly would qualify as bashing America? Many things I assume, but I would have to judge each individually. But short of saying all Americans suck, or that this is a terrible country to live in, I don't think much. I certainly have not heard any bashing on this forum. What makes you the arbiter of whether someone's criticisms of aspects of our society or culture are unpatriotic or anti-American? I saying that American society as a whole is obsessed with youth and the supericial appearance of it unpatriotic? I think Gary's observation that our society looks for the lowest common denominator in entertainment is valid, how else can you explain the popularity of Paris Hilton and some of the crap we watch? God help this country when we can't criticize ourselves with being considered unpatriotic, whatever that means. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough about the Arts to support it on the open market. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycheech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for your invite to go through the budget and pick out other things I dislike, I intend to. I intend to cut completely, PBS, NPR and the National Endowment of the Arts. Let these freeloaders work for a living like the rest of us. Tom Thank God the popes through the ages, even the most corrupt, maybe especially the most corrupt (see The March of Folly, I don't remember the author), were patrons of the arts and subsidized them liberally. We have them and their talented artists to thank for most of the wonders residing in the very crowded museums of Rome and Florence. Had Papa Tomasso, formerly Il Vescovo Azzurro, been around at the time, Michelangelo would have been a house painter or sculptor of ice swans for the banquets of the nobility. And spare me the nonsense about some modern artists defacing religious artifacts, etc. The popes paid for a lot of dreck, too. Fortunately for them, they could always rely on the Inquisition to take care of the really bad stuff. Frank D'Alessandro Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
why do you guys even bother arguing with a guy who posts stuff like this? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough about the Arts to support it on the open market. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
Many things I assume, but I would have to judge each individually. But short of saying all Americans suck, or that this is a terrible country to live in, I don't think much. I certainly have not heard any bashing on this forum. What makes you the arbiter of whether someone's criticisms of aspects of our society or culture are unpatriotic or anti-American? I think it stems from a culture of talk radio shows where people feel compelled to tell the host that he's a good American. The man could be the most crooked person alive, but if he's on their side of the political spectrum - he's a good American... Apparently anyone that tries to hold an original thought in today's society is a bad American... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Blue: you never answered my question
On 10/3/05 10:58 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To come to your conclusion Dan, you must ignore that Gary didn't think he was talking about a subject of mere frivolity as you suggest (Paris Hilton). To Gary, we are worse people than the Europeans because of their great respect for art and our lack of it. I'd say you were stretching it a bit there... Would you agree that if you don't learn from history you're doomed to repeat it? That's where I see art having its place. To teach us about the mistakes we make and help us from making them again. Too often throughout our history people have been told to keep quiet. It is the writers and the poets and the artists and the playwrights who refuse to abide with the silence. Television, as we have seen in the past few years, is all too pleased to remain silent. And fluff is the top selling entertainment. Maybe because the truth hurts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
On 10/3/05 10:59 PM, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough about the Arts to support it on the open market. Right... And yet those same pieces deemed controversial or unworthy of being called art now command millions of dollars on the open market. Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man missed his moment the BlindBishop surely takes the cake. My god (and I'm an agnostic) man it must be a trip for your kids when you order them to the monster truck rallies; do they mind the tidy little uniforms? You've lost respect for yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Hiccup! Have another Skippy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man missed his moment the BlindBishop surely takes the cake. My god (and I'm an agnostic) man it must be a trip for your kids when you order them to the monster truck rallies; do they mind the tidy little uniforms? You've lost respect for yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
why do you guys even bother arguing with a guy who posts stuff like this? How could we not; to ignore him is to let all those 12 year olds he feigns concern for to think his diatribe acceptable; idiots like our BlindBishop must be confronted and what the hell, it's fun taking him apart. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why do you guys even bother arguing with a guy who posts stuff like this? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough about the Arts to support it on the open market. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hiccup! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlindBishop, too much sacramental wine? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiccup! Have another Skippy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man missed his moment the BlindBishop surely takes the cake. My god (and I'm an agnostic) man it must be a trip for your kids when you order them to the monster truck rallies; do they mind the tidy little uniforms? You've lost respect for yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hell even I capitalize Christianity so who's making fun? I know and have known a great many Christians and have to say you're no Christian; you're a nasty greedy little man, seemingly incapable of doing or tolerating any act that might benefit your fellow man. At best you're some sort of man child, perhaps one day you'll grow up or possibly learn something. Now go back to your sacramental wine. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hiccup! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlindBishop, too much sacramental wine? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiccup! Have another Skippy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man missed his moment the BlindBishop surely takes the cake. My god (and I'm an agnostic) man it must be a trip for your kids when you order them to the monster truck rallies; do they mind the tidy little uniforms? You've lost respect for yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
You know what would be good Skip? If you talked to me in person like you do on this board. Why is it that you write with such bravado and toughness behind the security of your internet connection, but when you see me in person you start shaking and whisper through your cracking voice Hi..n'n'n'nice to s's's'ee you. Dan had the intestinal fortitude to let me know face to face he'd throw down with me if that's what it took to get me to respect him, and I'm at least 3 inches bigger and 10 years younger than him. As a guy, I can respect that. It was all gut and honesty. You I can't respect. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hell even I capitalize Christianity so who's making fun? I know and have known a great many Christians and have to say you're no Christian; you're a nasty greedy little man, seemingly incapable of doing or tolerating any act that might benefit your fellow man. At best you're some sort of man child, perhaps one day you'll grow up or possibly learn something. Now go back to your sacramental wine. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hiccup! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlindBishop, too much sacramental wine? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiccup! Have another Skippy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man missed his moment the BlindBishop surely takes the cake. My god (and I'm an agnostic) man it must be a trip for your kids when you order them to the monster truck rallies; do they mind the tidy little uniforms? You've lost respect for yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break - tough guy
Why is it that you write with such bravado and toughness behind the security of your internet connection, but when you see me in person you start shaking and whisper through your cracking voice Hi..n'n'n'nice to s's's'ee you. Dan had the intestinal fortitude to let me know face to face he'd throw down with me if that's what it took to get me to respect him Aw shucks, here I thought we were just having a lively discussion about your rightright and the everyday reality of the real world. Damn, if I'd known you were getting this worked up I probably wouldn't have referred to you as BlindBishop but rather BottomFeeder. First off I've never experienced you spewing such unadulterated bullshit when I've seen you in person, I have seen you lurking around wearing a mask, so there really hasn't been time nor place for so lively a discussion. Secondly, unlike Dan I've no interest in who you respect; I rather doubt you respect yourself. So now you want to fight. Well that shouldn't be too tough for you to arrange, tough guy, I'm at Bistro Ole' most days for lunch, but do tell us, what is your real name? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what would be good Skip? If you talked to me in person like you do on this board. Why is it that you write with such bravado and toughness behind the security of your internet connection, but when you see me in person you start shaking and whisper through your cracking voice Hi..n'n'n'nice to s's's'ee you. Dan had the intestinal fortitude to let me know face to face he'd throw down with me if that's what it took to get me to respect him, and I'm at least 3 inches bigger and 10 years younger than him. As a guy, I can respect that. It was all gut and honesty. You I can't respect. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hell even I capitalize Christianity so who's making fun? I know and have known a great many Christians and have to say you're no Christian; you're a nasty greedy little man, seemingly incapable of doing or tolerating any act that might benefit your fellow man. At best you're some sort of man child, perhaps one day you'll grow up or possibly learn something. Now go back to your sacramental wine. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hiccup! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlindBishop, too much sacramental wine? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiccup! Have another Skippy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man missed his moment the BlindBishop surely takes the cake. My god (and I'm an agnostic) man it must be a trip for your kids when you order them to the monster truck rallies; do they mind the tidy little uniforms? You've lost respect for yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break - tough guy
You are obviously drunk this late at night as well. Hopefully tomorrow you will be sober enough at some point to realize what a big mistake you're making old man. Get a job. Hiccup! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it that you write with such bravado and toughness behind the security of your internet connection, but when you see me in person you start shaking and whisper through your cracking voice Hi..n'n'n'nice to s's's'ee you. Dan had the intestinal fortitude to let me know face to face he'd throw down with me if that's what it took to get me to respect him Aw shucks, here I thought we were just having a lively discussion about your rightright and the everyday reality of the real world. Damn, if I'd known you were getting this worked up I probably wouldn't have referred to you as BlindBishop but rather BottomFeeder. First off I've never experienced you spewing such unadulterated bullshit when I've seen you in person, I have seen you lurking around wearing a mask, so there really hasn't been time nor place for so lively a discussion. Secondly, unlike Dan I've no interest in who you respect; I rather doubt you respect yourself. So now you want to fight. Well that shouldn't be too tough for you to arrange, tough guy, I'm at Bistro Ole' most days for lunch, but do tell us, what is your real name? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what would be good Skip? If you talked to me in person like you do on this board. Why is it that you write with such bravado and toughness behind the security of your internet connection, but when you see me in person you start shaking and whisper through your cracking voice Hi..n'n'n'nice to s's's'ee you. Dan had the intestinal fortitude to let me know face to face he'd throw down with me if that's what it took to get me to respect him, and I'm at least 3 inches bigger and 10 years younger than him. As a guy, I can respect that. It was all gut and honesty. You I can't respect. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hell even I capitalize Christianity so who's making fun? I know and have known a great many Christians and have to say you're no Christian; you're a nasty greedy little man, seemingly incapable of doing or tolerating any act that might benefit your fellow man. At best you're some sort of man child, perhaps one day you'll grow up or possibly learn something. Now go back to your sacramental wine. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make fun of chritianity Skip; I'm sure that's acceptable in your little world. Hiccup! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlindBishop, too much sacramental wine? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiccup! Have another Skippy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Vie haff our vays (feeble attempt at Deutch); if ever a man missed his moment the BlindBishop surely takes the cake. My god (and I'm an agnostic) man it must be a trip for your kids when you order them to the monster truck rallies; do they mind the tidy little uniforms? You've lost respect for yourself. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Art is in the eyes of the beholder. Math isn't. Science isn't. Sports isn't. There are standards in those endeavors. Art has no standards today. Everything is OK. It's complete anarchy. Art has lost respect for itself by having no standards. Why should I respect it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
