[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't You Guys Reinact Sailing Back to Spain, I'l l ...
The Group is about to be ruined again Please folks, let's not let this happen. Ok? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I see my unauthorized biographer Mario is back. The Group is about to be ruined again. This poor fellow Mario has a strange obsession with me. He chronicals everything I say, write and do, and tries (and fails) to find me saying something wrong. Maybe if you ignore him he won't make his next 700 posts about me personally, but I doubt it. He's strangely hooked on me. It's weird. It's very uncomfortable to have a stalker. Imagine what he could get done if he put all that energy into doing something good for Asbury Park. Service to community is just not in him. Being critical of those who do good for Asbury Park is his game. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 10/7/2007 8:11:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, justifiedright@ writes: Taking the lord's name in vain? Figures. I would have bet you would. ...jerseyshorejohnwrote: JR: you have a lot of GD nerve telling people they hate america and deciding who's patriotic. Pot to Kettle above. = E.g.: In early December 2006, Tricity's Justrified Right columnist referred to the AP Chamber of Commerce as Bastards, Communist Heathens, under an idiot spell of witches, guilty of Politically Correct bullshit, and threatened to spit in the eye of anyone wishing him Happy Holidays. Theatrics, yes. But right after the above, the column ended with Praise Jesus. I asked then, If you intended that column to be amusing, weren't you aware of the commandment You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain? _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/20636_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/20636) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Trolling
In a message dated 10/7/2007 11:31:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Group is about to be ruined again. The group is ruined at certain times by some known and some anonymous members who practice trolling. The following from Wiki and Urban dictionary. “A troll is a person who approaches a board with the specific intention of stirring things up, either as a goal in and of itself or as a means of attacking the board perhaps motivated by opposition to the ethos of the board. “The general element, that determines whether a malicious user is a troll or not, is the person's history with the forum or group. “A troll's main goal is usually to arouse anger and frustration among the message board's other participants, and will write whatever it takes to achieve this end. One popular trolling strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete fool, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning.” _http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll_ (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll) _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) Along the same lines: _Click here: asburypolitics : Message: Ignore : Attacking _Only Encourages Him_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/asburypolitics/message/181) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 1:25:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bull. You've done nothing but complain. You took a half hearted shot a putting together a group for aging gays. You were certainly touting and wearing on your sleeve when you got your name in the paper for the idea. Mr. hero was going to help people for once in his life. Did you follow through? Show me the paper trail at your one promised shot at public service. Nothing but complain is an outright falsehood. I've suggested, commented, criticized, inquired, praised, reminisced, waxed nostalgically, presented anecdotes, and complained. But it is true that the majority of posts across the board from everyone in most groups is comprised of complaints. Same at council meetings and BOE meetings. What's the ratio in your collective writings of complaints to commendations? Your research and sources are very limited and incomplete. My attempt to facilitate a local chapter of SAGE was a trial balloon; I made no attempt to tout it; but Joe D'Andrea put in on his site. I never used hero in reference to myself, and I don't recall that it appeared any where in any paper, certainly not at my request. I didn't seek out any publicity except through Yahoo groups announcing months of meetings to brainstorm ideas and discuss the need for a local group. Like others who attempted similar special interest groups, everything was put on hold until there was a permanent home base for QSpot. I probably could take some lessons in how to facilitate a local franchise of a national group; however, as a teacher I don't need to prove to anyone or to publish shoe boxes of grateful letters over the years about lives I've positively impacted. My paper trail to help local charities and fund raising is none of anyone's business. I am a professional whose domain has been the written word, and I specialized in the use and misuse of words to promote ideas in the media. And I'm a johnny-come-lately to applying that expertise to issues outside the classroom. When asked on 60 Minutes why he continued to write, Bruce said because he has the chutzpah to believe he can make a difference, an impact, with what he writes. I'm no lyricist, but I can hitch my wagon to that concept. Similarly, finally, he and so many others have revived a quaint old idea: That's it's a citizen's civic duty to speak up and challenge ideas in the public square. And with that territory I fully expect the slime attacks that will be channeled through you. To paraphrase John Milton then, They also serve who write and speak out to question and to challenge You see fit to excoriate weekly: the Chamber of Commerce, Call for the Resignation of an elected councilman, Tillie groupies, Bruce, Pallone, presevation nazis, the APP Press, Clearwater, patriots with whom you disagree, etc. Where is it written that a Howell resident has a right to be critical (and not be taken to task for his words), but an AP resident doesn't? You are a public columnist among other things. Comments on what you say come with that territory. And if you can't take the heat, get out of the proverbial kitchen. It's your published/posted/blogged words that haunt you; own up to them and direct your responses to justifying your own paper trail without creating bogeymen who are stalking you. Daily, every public figure has to confront his or her own previous remarks. Why should you be an exception? You left this group twice because you were pissed by a host of others here who had taken you to task for what they saw as some reckless remarks. I left briefly to take a breather and post exclusively at four other groups where posts are moderated. It was the moniker MMM given me here which I accepted with pride and which ironically brought me back, along with some kind private notes like, You are missed, and from strangers at places like _Click here: Historic Building Architects_ (http://www.hba-llc.com/) I am not embarrassed by the content of any of my posts; I do not feel the need to retract any of them, nor have I been asked to do so by anyone. But if anyone finds some blatant hypocrisy, inconsistency or untruth, I will address what I said without exclusively relying on stock distractions, sarcasm, dismissals, or shooting the messenger. Would that you could do the same. My Country [ and City] Right or Wrong. When right to be kept right. When wrong, to be set right. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Looks like I hit a nerve. You write nearly 700 words, and not one is about you helping Asbury Park. You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and help. (I'm sure you'll write another 700 words about me, when the subject is about you, and how you don't kick in at all). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 1:25:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bull. You've done nothing but complain. You took a half hearted shot a putting together a group for aging gays. You were certainly touting and wearing on your sleeve when you got your name in the paper for the idea. Mr. hero was going to help people for once in his life. Did you follow through? Show me the paper trail at your one promised shot at public service. Nothing but complain is an outright falsehood. I've suggested, commented, criticized, inquired, praised, reminisced, waxed nostalgically, presented anecdotes, and complained. But it is true that the majority of posts across the board from everyone in most groups is comprised of complaints. Same at council meetings and BOE meetings. What's the ratio in your collective writings of complaints to commendations? Your research and sources are very limited and incomplete. My attempt to facilitate a local chapter of SAGE was a trial balloon; I made no attempt to tout it; but Joe D'Andrea put in on his site. I never used hero in reference to myself, and I don't recall that it appeared any where in any paper, certainly not at my request. I didn't seek out any publicity except through Yahoo groups announcing months of meetings to brainstorm ideas and discuss the need for a local group. Like others who attempted similar special interest groups, everything was put on hold until there was a permanent home base for QSpot. I probably could take some lessons in how to facilitate a local franchise of a national group; however, as a teacher I don't need to prove to anyone or to publish shoe boxes of grateful letters over the years about lives I've positively impacted. My paper trail to help local charities and fund raising is none of anyone's business. I am a professional whose domain has been the written word, and I specialized in the use and misuse of words to promote ideas in the media. And I'm a johnny-come-lately to applying that expertise to issues outside the classroom. When asked on 60 Minutes why he continued to write, Bruce said because he has the chutzpah to believe he can make a difference, an impact, with what he writes. I'm no lyricist, but I can hitch my wagon to that concept. Similarly, finally, he and so many others have revived a quaint old idea: That's it's a citizen's civic duty to speak up and challenge ideas in the public square. And with that territory I fully expect the slime attacks that will be channeled through you. To paraphrase John Milton then, They also serve who write and speak out to question and to challenge You see fit to excoriate weekly: the Chamber of Commerce, Call for the Resignation of an elected councilman, Tillie groupies, Bruce, Pallone, presevation nazis, the APP Press, Clearwater, patriots with whom you disagree, etc. Where is it written that a Howell resident has a right to be critical (and not be taken to task for his words), but an AP resident doesn't? You are a public columnist among other things. Comments on what you say come with that territory. And if you can't take the heat, get out of the proverbial kitchen. It's your published/posted/blogged words that haunt you; own up to them and direct your responses to justifying your own paper trail without creating bogeymen who are stalking you. Daily, every public figure has to confront his or her own previous remarks. Why should you be an exception? You left this group twice because you were pissed by a host of others here who had taken you to task for what they saw as some reckless remarks. I left briefly to take a breather and post exclusively at four other groups where posts are moderated. It was the moniker MMM given me here which I accepted with pride and which ironically brought me back, along with some kind private notes like, You are missed, and from strangers at places like _Click here: Historic Building Architects_ (http://www.hba-llc.com/) I am not embarrassed by the content of any of my posts; I do not feel the need to retract any of them, nor have I been asked to do so by anyone. But if anyone finds some blatant hypocrisy, inconsistency or untruth, I will address what I said without exclusively relying on stock distractions, sarcasm, dismissals, or shooting the messenger. Would that
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't You Guys Reinact Sailing Back to Spain, I'l l ...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh I see my unauthorized biographer Mario is back. The Group is about to be ruined again. This poor fellow Mario has a strange obsession with me. He chronicals everything I say, write and do, and tries (and fails) to find me saying something wrong. Maybe if you ignore him he won't make his next 700 posts about me personally, but I doubt it. He's strangely hooked on me. It's weird. It's very uncomfortable to have a stalker. Imagine what he could get done if he put all that energy into doing something good for Asbury Park. Service to community is just not in him. Being critical of those who do good for Asbury Park is his game. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: In a message dated 10/7/2007 8:11:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, justifiedright@ writes: Taking the lord's name in vain? Figures. I would have bet you would. ...jerseyshorejohnwrote: JR: you have a lot of GD nerve telling people they hate america and deciding who's patriotic. Pot to Kettle above. = E.g.: In early December 2006, Tricity's Justrified Right columnist referred to the AP Chamber of Commerce as Bastards, Communist Heathens, under an idiot spell of witches, guilty of Politically Correct bullshit, and threatened to spit in the eye of anyone wishing him Happy Holidays. Theatrics, yes. But right after the above, the column ended with Praise Jesus. I asked then, If you intended that column to be amusing, weren't you aware of the commandment You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain? _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/20636_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/20636) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com It's been a long time since I have been able to use this wonderful old saying; Better you than me. How un Christian. KB Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon-
Yet she continues to socialize with him. You have to question this apparent lack of judgment. Mellina currently does not hold an office in Asbury Park, so I do not see the lack of judegment. I don't belive they even own any property here. - Original Message From: radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2007 11:52:33 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon- Kate used to justify the continuation of the couple's relationship with Weldon and wife on the basis that Weldon was going to emerge as a hero who helped the FBI in rounding up criminals in Asbury and elsewhere. We would all be grateful to him and critics would be ashamed. However, that prediction hasn't come to fruition and certainly doesn't fit with what the judge ruled, on his knowledge of the FBI's reports, during Weldon's sentencing. Yet she continues to socialize with him. You have to question this apparent lack of judgment. Secondly, it makes you wonder what Weldon's motivation has been in this relationship, not just now but when Mellina still held office and many of the amendments were being made to the Waterfront Redevelopment Plan. There are so many reasons why this plan should be reopened and examined by professionals with the people's interest in the fore. Numerous amendments have been made to suit the needs of Asbury Partners. But when the public questions any element of the plan, it's told any tinkering would kill all redevelopment on the waterfront. Someone's being manipulated. Maureen --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe she has something to hide and feels fortunate that she wasn't caught up in the crossfire? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: The letters of clemency... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, rook782 rook782@ wrote: I know this story is a little old, but if you go look at the last article Mellina wrote for the Coaster posted on August 28th,2007, (Deja Vu all oner Again) on AsburyPark.net, she mentions all the corrupt people who got busted in the FBI raids. She fails to mention Weldon at all. An oversight? This is the one part where I think Mallina is so inconsistant. She cried foul all those years about corruption in Asbury Park and then does all these things with Weldon. The statements at council, the articles, etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: Blue Swan Diner, Tonight, Oct. 6, 2007 - 10 PM Weldon and wife were eating with former councilperson Kate Mellina and husband Dave Christopher. It was a relief to see how healthy wife Nancy looked. She seemed to be enjoying her food and when it was time to leave, rose from her chair unassisted and walked out of the diner on her own. When Weldon was sentenced on Aug. 27th, his lawyer asked the judge for a reduced sentence because of the wife's medical condition. Although he never named the malady, the lawyer told the judge that it kept Mrs. Weldon home bound, unable to drive, totally dependent on her husband, the defendent, and had affected the whole family. She's not getting any better, was the way the lawyer put it. Maureen Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:20:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks like I hit a nerve. Rather looks like I hit a nerve by pointing out the hypocrisy in your accusing others what you've done numerous times in print. You write nearly 700 words, and not one is about you helping Asbury Park. Yup 700 words. Posted at 9:07. And you took 12 minutes to count the words and post at 9:19, indicating little time to consider or absorb anything I've said. Verbosity leads to unclear inarticulate things. GWB 11/30/96 You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and helpand how you don't kick in at all). Mere assertions, negative epithets and Swift boating, without any support. (I'm sure you'll write another 700 words about me, when the subject is about you You've just fulfilled the definition of tactics previously noted: “One popular strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. You've taken a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defend it while mocking and insulting the other. Your own comments about patriotism and service et al. are reckless and foolish, but this is all apparently part of the plan. However I won't take that bait: The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the argument. Provoking this anger was the one and only goal from the very beginning.” The record of anything I've said is available for careful public scrutiny, not just word counting. If there were a battle for hearts and minds, I'd feel secure in everything I've questioned or challenged. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
It looks like this has become a one-on-one discussion at this point. Why don't you guys take it to email - or a dark alley - and fight it out there. How about another great weekend on the beach! Hard to believe it's October but I'll take it. Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon-
She is personal friends with someone who made some terrible mistakes. While I understand (and on some level share) the discomfort with that, on another level I give her credit for being a loyal friend who refuses to abandon someone just because she will be criticized for maintaining the friendship. I really don't think anyone truly believes she is the least bit corrupt. So give her some credit for being strong enough to stand by a friend when it would be much easier not to. That said, I do think as a strong and proactive voice against corruption it is intellectually dishonest of her to pretend that Weldon didn't exist when bringing up corruption of the recent past. Friend or not, if she's choosing to bring up the topic then be as critical of his actions as she is of others. If Kate's not willing to do that then she should avoid the topic all-together. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park This is a very Asbury Park topic. You have a camp of complainers, Mario being an exemplar, that can't name one time where they gave of themselves to a service effort to Asbury Park. Yet he will endlessly criticize the work of others who do volunteer and work hard. STILL CAN'T NAME ONE THING YOU'VE GIVEN OF YOURSELF, CAN YOU MARIO!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Tom, I haven't read all of these and don't plan to. But so that I understand correctly your argument - Mario should not be able to be critical of your statements and viewpoints because he does not contribute as much to the community as you do? I'm guessing that's not what you're trying to say - but wanted to be sure. I readily admit I may have missed it but I don't think I saw him actually critize your participation in service to Asbury Park. It's been over your statements and views. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park This is a very Asbury Park topic. You have a camp of complainers, Mario being an exemplar, that can't name one time where they gave of themselves to a service effort to Asbury Park. Yet he will endlessly criticize the work of others who do volunteer and work hard. STILL CAN'T NAME ONE THING YOU'VE GIVEN OF YOURSELF, CAN YOU MARIO!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:20:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and help. Partial list of people, trends and causes in AP which I support and have publicly touted. New investors some refer to as Carpetbaggers; Kate Mellina's Cleopatra Steps Out back then and columns now; Richard Virgilio's B Plot; Frank D'Alessandro's informative columns and posts. Restore Radio; Preservation activists; Paramount's interior restoration, BOE candidates who challenge the status quo; Restaurant Row Cookman Ave entrepreneurs; George Lister's reclamation of the 5th and Memorial corner. Pereaux and Harrison investors for their faith and risk-taking in AP. Crossroads food and music venue. Clementines and others in their fight against selective code enforcement; SUFA and Homeowners endorsements; Habitat's ReStore; Future Started Here ticket last election; Shep's early faith, investment, and promotions in AP; The Coaster's journalism, better and better each month; TriCity's cheerleading in the early years; Helen Pike's and Peter Lucia's commitment to researching and recording AP's history; The multiculturalism now welcomed in AP; APPD's and FD's quick responses; Louie, the bike guy's unique business; City Hall and Kiki support for civil unions; Garden State Equality; A Nieuw AP which eschews chauvinism and which recognizes tolerance is good business. Clearwater's contribution to tourism here. Eminent Domain when it is used as intended for the public's but not merely for private interests. JR's supporting for the BOE's decision to close schools for public safety at one point. The unjust jailing for code violations when violent criminals go free. Benefits for SPCA, Cancer, AIDS and Toys for Tots. There's more, but the above reveals no slavish adherence to any particular local team. None of the above offer any financial benefit or public status to me. What I support and what I criticize are cheered and booed by some of the same people. I like it that way. We also serve who challenge, question, write, and donate -- with no prospect for financial gain, tax advantages, pats on the back, public stature for any of it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
AsburyCouple, When Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball (a new topic started by him if I recall), I simply, politely, asked him for his reasons why he criticized it since it raises money to help Asbury kids. Note well: I was even personlly mentioned in his post. Rook didn't respond. Mario did. He posted some links about waste in the lottery system (?). I asked him for a direct answer. As you can see, he won't answer, instead typing 700 words about how much he hates me (in one post; we are into the thousands of words today already about his favorite topic - me). No offense AsburyCouple, but this isn't the first time you jump into one of these by addressing me about the problem; you never take him on. I've never seen you ask Mario, when he goes off on one of his thousand word screeds about me , if he agrees with my right to speak. You only draw conclusion about me when I respone to him? I've never seen you ask him to stop. I didn't start it - I was the only one mentioned in Rook's post, and then there were insinuations of something untoward about money and the Mayor's ball made by Mario. I should say northing? That's my reputation he is trying to soil - for nothing more than raising money for Asbury kids? Let me see you address Mario about this conversation instead of me. Be fair (I think you are). Address Mario directly. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I haven't read all of these and don't plan to. But so that I understand correctly your argument - Mario should not be able to be critical of your statements and viewpoints because he does not contribute as much to the community as you do? I'm guessing that's not what you're trying to say - but wanted to be sure. I readily admit I may have missed it but I don't think I saw him actually critize your participation in service to Asbury Park. It's been over your statements and views. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park This is a very Asbury Park topic. You have a camp of complainers, Mario being an exemplar, that can't name one time where they gave of themselves to a service effort to Asbury Park. Yet he will endlessly criticize the work of others who do volunteer and work hard. STILL CAN'T NAME ONE THING YOU'VE GIVEN OF YOURSELF, CAN YOU MARIO!!! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Mario I asked you for a list of YOUR public service, and you list the service of othes to whom you've said Nice job (aka kissed their rears). So what? What about YOU? Where have I seen you with your sleeves rolled up and working as a volunteer in AP? What fundraisors have I seen you supporting? ZERO. NOTHING. ZILCH. But you have the NERVE to criticise the good people who vounteer to host and promoet the Mayors Ball, and give their hard earned money to Asbury kids. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:20:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have no sense of public service. Zero. Just keep complaining about us that roll up our sleeves and help. Partial list of people, trends and causes in AP which I support and have publicly touted. New investors some refer to as Carpetbaggers; Kate Mellina's Cleopatra Steps Out back then and columns now; Richard Virgilio's B Plot; Frank D'Alessandro's informative columns and posts. Restore Radio; Preservation activists; Paramount's interior restoration, BOE candidates who challenge the status quo; Restaurant Row Cookman Ave entrepreneurs; George Lister's reclamation of the 5th and Memorial corner. Pereaux and Harrison investors for their faith and risk-taking in AP. Crossroads food and music venue. Clementines and others in their fight against selective code enforcement; SUFA and Homeowners endorsements; Habitat's ReStore; Future Started Here ticket last election; Shep's early faith, investment, and promotions in AP; The Coaster's journalism, better and better each month; TriCity's cheerleading in the early years; Helen Pike's and Peter Lucia's commitment to researching and recording AP's history; The multiculturalism now welcomed in AP; APPD's and FD's quick responses; Louie, the bike guy's unique business; City Hall and Kiki support for civil unions; Garden State Equality; A Nieuw AP which eschews chauvinism and which recognizes tolerance is good business. Clearwater's contribution to tourism here. Eminent Domain when it is used as intended for the public's but not merely for private interests. JR's supporting for the BOE's decision to close schools for public safety at one point. The unjust jailing for code violations when violent criminals go free. Benefits for SPCA, Cancer, AIDS and Toys for Tots. There's more, but the above reveals no slavish adherence to any particular local team. None of the above offer any financial benefit or public status to me. What I support and what I criticize are cheered and booed by some of the same people. I like it that way. We also serve who challenge, question, write, and donate -- with no prospect for financial gain, tax advantages, pats on the back, public stature for any of it. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:08:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AsburyCouple, When Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball (a new topic started by him if I recall), I simply, politely, asked him for his reasons why he criticized it since it raises money to help Asbury kids. Note well: I was even personlly mentioned in his post. Rook didn't respond. Mario did. He posted some links about waste in the lottery system (?). I asked him for a direct answer. As you can see, he won't answer, I answered in a simplified post here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
You know Tom, you do have a valid point. Likely because I so often disagree with you on point of view I probably am quicker to be critical of you than of Mario, others and even myself on tone and delivery. The reality is I think far too many people on this board take liberty with fact, making accusations and insinuations without the slightest shred of fact. Both of you do. And I'm sure occassionally so do I. So in the fair and balanced spirit I'd again ask you both to take your personal argument to a personal place - email is a much better vehicle for the discussion you are having than this group. I'll even buy you both a beer if you want to do it in person, but disavow any responsibility for personal injury or property damange. And I will ask everyone, starting with myself, to avoid taking leaps of logic to unfounded conclusions without facts to back them up. I'm not speaking to any particular string of topics or any particular people, but to the general discource in this group that some times gets both highly personal and way out of hand.
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Then maybe AsburyCouple will tell me what answer you gave in your post. I have no time for your little riddle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:08:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AsburyCouple, When Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball (a new topic started by him if I recall), I simply, politely, asked him for his reasons why he criticized it since it raises money to help Asbury kids. Note well: I was even personlly mentioned in his post. Rook didn't respond. Mario did. He posted some links about waste in the lottery system (?). I asked him for a direct answer. As you can see, he won't answer, I answered in a simplified post here: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:14:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you have the NERVE to criticise the good people who vounteer to host and promoet the Mayors Ball, and give their hard earned money to Asbury kids. Don't attribute words to me I didn't make: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/30370) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in the fair and balanced spirit I'd again ask you both to Respectfully, not good enough for me. You addressed me peronally, by myself. Do it to him. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Grow up. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Let's try to get along - Stop all this fighting
Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Let's try to get along - Stop all this fighting
In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:25:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could we all chill out In deference to Hinge, Asbury Couple, Werner, et al. Chillin' is cool wit me. grin ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Let's try to get along - Stop all this fighting
Jack here's a polite, intelligent question for you: What was Mario insinuating when, in response to the question of why he Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball, he posted a link to a story about lottery money not going to where it was intended? (It certainly is an Asbury topic). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
I will not single anybody out. Nope. Not gonna do it. We all graduated high school many years ago. Let's not fall into the trap of this he said/ she said nah nah nah nah na stuff. We are adults here. We are all here because we love and care about Asbury Park. (at least I think so) We all need to try harder. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Let's try to get along - Stop all this fighting
Same question to AsburyCouple or anyone else who want to answer as to what Mario was ininuating when he posted that link. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack here's a polite, intelligent question for you: What was Mario insinuating when, in response to the question of why he Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball, he posted a link to a story about lottery money not going to where it was intended? (It certainly is an Asbury topic). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
Tom, as I stated in my earlier email I have not, and will not, read through the massive trail of back and forth you both have been subjecting everyone to. Please take it offline. Or don't. Whatever. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Let's try to get along - Stop all this fighting
I'm not going to get involved this time. You guys obviously don't get along. Why not try working together instead of against each other. There's lots of smart people here, and when things deteriorate to petty fighting, it doesn't just make the parties involved mad, but it makes us all look bad and dysfunctional as a group. I'm fairly certain that powerful people and developers come here to see what we are talking about, and increasingly I think our voices are having an effect. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack here's a polite, intelligent question for you: What was Mario insinuating when, in response to the question of why he Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball, he posted a link to a story about lottery money not going to where it was intended? (It certainly is an Asbury topic). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
No one is asking you to read through anything. Just tell me what you think he meant about he Mayor's Ball when he posted a link about money not going where promised. What do you think he meant? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, as I stated in my earlier email I have not, and will not, read through the massive trail of back and forth you both have been subjecting everyone to. Please take it offline. Or don't. Whatever. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Mario accuses people of stealing and for asking him why I'm supposed to just get along? Say somehting to him about his defamatory allegation, or is your view that the board is OK for such statements? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: To quote a wise man: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: I didn't criticize the ball or the people, just your hostility to someone's joking questions. Bull. In response to the question of why criticize the Mayor's Ball, you linked to the article about money from the lottery not going to where it is promised. That's no friggin joke. You were insinuating that the folks from the Mayor's Ball are not spending the money as promised. That would be a crime, not a joke. You impugned the reputations of the people that organize the Ball and contribute to it. Now you say it was a joke? What was funny about it, Michael Richards? Asbury Couple don't tell me to just go away. Instead, tell your friend hear to post is proofs that the money from the Mayor's Ball is not going where intended. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Let's try to get along - Stop all this fighting
Hey Jack, the next time Mario writes one thousand words about me and not a topic, let me see you take him to task for it. I've always respected your wishes to end these things in the past, but I won't allow someone to accuse me of a crime like he did. I shouldn't have to take that, and you should be all over him for saying it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not going to get involved this time. You guys obviously don't get along. Why not try working together instead of against each other. There's lots of smart people here, and when things deteriorate to petty fighting, it doesn't just make the parties involved mad, but it makes us all look bad and dysfunctional as a group. I'm fairly certain that powerful people and developers come here to see what we are talking about, and increasingly I think our voices are having an effect. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack here's a polite, intelligent question for you: What was Mario insinuating when, in response to the question of why he Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball, he posted a link to a story about lottery money not going to where it was intended? (It certainly is an Asbury topic). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
In a message dated 10/8/2007 11:51:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What do you think he meant? Anyone who's interested can find out at [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) My last word here on this thread ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Let's try to get along - Stop all this fighting
Damn. I'm not a lawyer, or a mediator. I'm a musician, audio engineer, adventurer and multimedia producer. I will not take sides, you guys need to work this out, and maybe even think a little further and try and become friends instead of enemies. Yes, we all have different view points...conservative, liberal etc. In the case, when a conversation degrades to a point where people are pointing fingers, eventually all parties involved look bad, because it's all an emotional response and no longer thinking. Honestly, I don't dislike anybody here. Even rolemover/rawdog. Not even Rev. Kev. We can't always agree with other people, and that's ok. But when discussions degrade to childish name calling, it's bad. I'm sure each one of us can find at least one thing we like about each other, no matter how much we disagree with certain principles. I know this sounds idealistic, and it is. I've made some pretty significant changes to my life recently for the better, and in doing so i've re-examined some things, and I feel good about that, and some relationships in my life have improved in doing so. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Jack, the next time Mario writes one thousand words about me and not a topic, let me see you take him to task for it. I've always respected your wishes to end these things in the past, but I won't allow someone to accuse me of a crime like he did. I shouldn't have to take that, and you should be all over him for saying it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I'm not going to get involved this time. You guys obviously don't get along. Why not try working together instead of against each other. There's lots of smart people here, and when things deteriorate to petty fighting, it doesn't just make the parties involved mad, but it makes us all look bad and dysfunctional as a group. I'm fairly certain that powerful people and developers come here to see what we are talking about, and increasingly I think our voices are having an effect. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack here's a polite, intelligent question for you: What was Mario insinuating when, in response to the question of why he Rook criticized the Mayor's Ball, he posted a link to a story about lottery money not going to where it was intended? (It certainly is an Asbury topic). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Is it possible? Could we all chill out and have intelligent conversations here? It's ok to disagree, but let's all try and show a little restraint sometimes. There is no need to always be right, or betteror whatever. Thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
Tommy, The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to you. For me, he was dead on. The boycott was led by Clear Channel - not individual radio station owners. Clear Channel owned the main stations in just about every market in the country so no you really couldn't just change the channel. He was going after the BIG PICTURE of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE of censorship. This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was showing how a huge corporation could censor the entire country. Bruce was right. On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote: I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by switching over. Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them. You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But why? Do you even know what he's saying? Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something you disagree with? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this Bruce discussion as it relates to what you call microphone abuse I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look like a hypocrite. When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him pontificate for 3 hours about politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also get classic songs and lot's of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not all politics. Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's going on in our country? To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your head in the sand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE LAW!! I'd defend you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions. It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. You have a choice...listen, or tune away. The difference is that Bruce and others like him commit microphone abuse. There are people on this board that study and follow politics more closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a wide audience. Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then he abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing more important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get his thoughts stated widely. He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station owners who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free speech rights? You can always change the station, right? Don't
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel. Some of their local stations boycotted, some didn't. The decision was made by the local managers. Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at Corporate. As usual, he had no proof and was wrong. Let me ask you though: Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist. Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and Freedom of Speech? How rich must one get before he gives up these rights? How many stations must one own before relinquishing their constitutional rights? 5? 10? 100? More? Is there a sliding scale of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own? Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station? If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter how much the station hates the song? As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing against the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public. Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that pampered millionaire over the little folk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to you. For me, he was dead on. The boycott was led by Clear Channel - not individual radio station owners. Clear Channel owned the main stations in just about every market in the country so no you really couldn't just change the channel. He was going after the BIG PICTURE of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE of censorship. This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was showing how a huge corporation could censor the entire country. Bruce was right. On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote: I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by switching over. Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them. You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: But why? Do you even know what he's saying? Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something you disagree with? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this Bruce discussion as it relates to what you call microphone abuse I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look like a hypocrite. When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him pontificate for 3 hours about politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also get classic songs and lot's of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not all politics. Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's going on in our country? To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your head in the sand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Also, if somebody said to you Hey Tommy - SHUT UP AND PRACTICE LAW!! I'd defend you also. We all have the right to voice our opinions. It's just like the way people used to get angry about Howard Stern. You have a choice...listen, or tune away. The difference is that Bruce and others like him commit microphone abuse. There are people on this board that study and follow politics more closely than he does. The problems is we can't gather a wide audience. Bruce gets a wide audience for a different reason - music. Then he abuses that by talking politics, not music. He has nothing more important to say than anyone else, but abuses his postion to get his thoughts stated widely. He's also a hypocrite. He was very critical of radio station owners who boycotted Dixie Chicks. Don't radio station owners have free speech rights? You can always change the station, right? Don't Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo!
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
I have a different point of view. Nobody is forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen or any artist. Instead of letting the government or a broadcaster decide what they want people to be able to listen too, shouldn't the listener be the one making the choice? I agree that porno, or racism, or anything THAT objectionable shouldn't be presented without limits to the public, but music with opinions? That should be left up to the people. If you don't like Bruce and his message, simply don't buy his music, and if his songs come on the radio, switch channels. Also, I have a huge problem with the selective way that the FCC choses to censor things. Howard Stern brought up a good point the other day about a couple of words he was fined and censored for...scumbag and douchebag Back when he was on the radio, he got yelled at for those, but on a recent episode of the TV show Bionic Women (which I won't watch because the original was just fine with me) both words were used, in primetime. To me, the FCC is becoming a joke in that respect. Oprah Winfrey or the Bionic Women can get away with saying the same words and concepts that Howard was fined for, and it gives the strong impression that the FCC is censoring with bias, which is bullshit (censor that) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel. Some of their local stations boycotted, some didn't. The decision was made by the local managers. Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at Corporate. As usual, he had no proof and was wrong. Let me ask you though: Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist. Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and Freedom of Speech? How rich must one get before he gives up these rights? How many stations must one own before relinquishing their constitutional rights? 5? 10? 100? More? Is there a sliding scale of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own? Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station? If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter how much the station hates the song? As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing against the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public. Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that pampered millionaire over the little folk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Tommy, The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to you. For me, he was dead on. The boycott was led by Clear Channel - not individual radio station owners. Clear Channel owned the main stations in just about every market in the country so no you really couldn't just change the channel. He was going after the BIG PICTURE of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE of censorship. This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was showing how a huge corporation could censor the entire country. Bruce was right. On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote: I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by switching over. Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them. You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: But why? Do you even know what he's saying? Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something you disagree with? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this Bruce discussion as it relates to what you call microphone abuse I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make me look like a hypocrite. When you go see a Bruce show, you aren't going to hear him pontificate for 3 hours about politics. He may sprinkle his show with some of it, but you also get classic songs and lot's of great live rock and roll. Same with his recordings. It's not all politics. Don't you think many of us here in America are upset with what's going on in our country? To not speak out is just being wimpy and equates to hiding your head in the sand. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
Jack I think the topic is a radio station having the right to pick what music to play. Don't you think they have that right? They own the station. I understand they are licensed. So is a bar. The City doesn't tell The Saint to pour Tanquerey or Beefeaters. Everyone would cry foul if they did. Why can't a radio station play the songs that they like? What's next, 50 cent suing to be played on a Classic Rock Station? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a different point of view. Nobody is forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen or any artist. Instead of letting the government or a broadcaster decide what they want people to be able to listen too, shouldn't the listener be the one making the choice? I agree that porno, or racism, or anything THAT objectionable shouldn't be presented without limits to the public, but music with opinions? That should be left up to the people. If you don't like Bruce and his message, simply don't buy his music, and if his songs come on the radio, switch channels. Also, I have a huge problem with the selective way that the FCC choses to censor things. Howard Stern brought up a good point the other day about a couple of words he was fined and censored for...scumbag and douchebag Back when he was on the radio, he got yelled at for those, but on a recent episode of the TV show Bionic Women (which I won't watch because the original was just fine with me) both words were used, in primetime. To me, the FCC is becoming a joke in that respect. Oprah Winfrey or the Bionic Women can get away with saying the same words and concepts that Howard was fined for, and it gives the strong impression that the FCC is censoring with bias, which is bullshit (censor that) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel. Some of their local stations boycotted, some didn't. The decision was made by the local managers. Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at Corporate. As usual, he had no proof and was wrong. Let me ask you though: Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist. Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and Freedom of Speech? How rich must one get before he gives up these rights? How many stations must one own before relinquishing their constitutional rights? 5? 10? 100? More? Is there a sliding scale of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own? Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station? If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter how much the station hates the song? As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing against the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public. Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that pampered millionaire over the little folk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Tommy, The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to you. For me, he was dead on. The boycott was led by Clear Channel - not individual radio station owners. Clear Channel owned the main stations in just about every market in the country so no you really couldn't just change the channel. He was going after the BIG PICTURE of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE of censorship. This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was showing how a huge corporation could censor the entire country. Bruce was right. On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote: I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that by switching over. Also - he is a hypocrite. He is bigger than us, so he gets to speak to that wide audience. The radio stations are bigger than the Dixie Chicks, and he was livid that they would speak by boycotting them. You seem to be a fair guy Jack. You have to admit Bruce was a hypocrite for crying foul against the radio station owners. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: But why? Do you even know what he's saying? Do you want him to shut up just because he may be saying something you disagree with? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: You should speak out. Bruce should shut up and sing. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I can see a parallel here between me trying to moderate this group to this Bruce discussion as it relates to what you call microphone abuse I knew that when I posted what I said below it would make
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:35 AM, justifiedright wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in your view famous people don't get the same rights as everyone else? People tune into Bruce to hear music, in which he excels. For him to give political speeches is irresponsible. So I guess Ronald Reagan should have stuck to acting, huh? That would certainly have disappointed a few generations of Republicans I would think :) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
Sorry, I didn't read far enough to get the whole topic. I agree that a radio station has the right to chose and stick with a genre. But, if a radio station refuses to play a song within it's genre because it doesn't agree with it's political message, I kinda have a problem with that, because say they choose to play a song that has a message they do agree with and bans a song who's political message they don't agree with, isn't that kinda shady? It's like subliminal campaigning with a bias. This is a difficult topic for sure. It's like comparing Fox News to MSNBC and so on. And for the radio listener, do we always know what affiliations they have, and which way they lean? For the casual listener, probably not. Nor do most people know who owns the stations we listen to. In essence, I don't think it's a good idea for the public airwaves to be politically aligned. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack I think the topic is a radio station having the right to pick what music to play. Don't you think they have that right? They own the station. I understand they are licensed. So is a bar. The City doesn't tell The Saint to pour Tanquerey or Beefeaters. Everyone would cry foul if they did. Why can't a radio station play the songs that they like? What's next, 50 cent suing to be played on a Classic Rock Station? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I have a different point of view. Nobody is forced to listen to Bruce Springsteen or any artist. Instead of letting the government or a broadcaster decide what they want people to be able to listen too, shouldn't the listener be the one making the choice? I agree that porno, or racism, or anything THAT objectionable shouldn't be presented without limits to the public, but music with opinions? That should be left up to the people. If you don't like Bruce and his message, simply don't buy his music, and if his songs come on the radio, switch channels. Also, I have a huge problem with the selective way that the FCC choses to censor things. Howard Stern brought up a good point the other day about a couple of words he was fined and censored for...scumbag and douchebag Back when he was on the radio, he got yelled at for those, but on a recent episode of the TV show Bionic Women (which I won't watch because the original was just fine with me) both words were used, in primetime. To me, the FCC is becoming a joke in that respect. Oprah Winfrey or the Bionic Women can get away with saying the same words and concepts that Howard was fined for, and it gives the strong impression that the FCC is censoring with bias, which is bullshit (censor that) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Gary there was no boycott by Clear Channel. Some of their local stations boycotted, some didn't. The decision was made by the local managers. Michael Moore tried to float the idea that it was decided at Corporate. As usual, he had no proof and was wrong. Let me ask you though: Assume for a moment that Clear Channel did boycott an artist. Don't companies have the right of Freedom of Association and Freedom of Speech? How rich must one get before he gives up these rights? How many stations must one own before relinquishing their constitutional rights? 5? 10? 100? More? Is there a sliding scale of constitutional rights based upon how many stations you own? Is there a right of muscians to be played on a station? If so, can I cut a record and sue to have it played, no matter how much the station hates the song? As for Bruce, he stuck up for Maines when Maines was railing against the little people who were bulldozing her CD's in public. Not much of a working class hero stance, siding with that pampered millionaire over the little folk. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Tommy, The idea that Bruce was wrong on the radio station issue is up to you. For me, he was dead on. The boycott was led by Clear Channel - not individual radio station owners. Clear Channel owned the main stations in just about every market in the country so no you really couldn't just change the channel. He was going after the BIG PICTURE of corporate ownership of radio rather than just the BIG PICTURE of censorship. This wasn't censorship on a local level, it was showing how a huge corporation could censor the entire country. Bruce was right. On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:31 AM, justifiedright wrote: I want him to shut up because he does not deserve a wide audience on politics. He gets the wide audience on music, then abuses that
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon-
What ever happened to that guy who was a friend of the show who had his driveway paved? - Original Message From: asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 8, 2007 10:22:49 AM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon- She is personal friends with someone who made some terrible mistakes. While I understand (and on some level share) the discomfort with that, on another level I give her credit for being a loyal friend who refuses to abandon someone just because she will be criticized for maintaining the friendship. I really don't think anyone truly believes she is the least bit corrupt. So give her some credit for being strong enough to stand by a friend when it would be much easier not to. That said, I do think as a strong and proactive voice against corruption it is intellectually dishonest of her to pretend that Weldon didn't exist when bringing up corruption of the recent past. Friend or not, if she's choosing to bring up the topic then be as critical of his actions as she is of others. If Kate's not willing to do that then she should avoid the topic all-together. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Why music and cookman ave don't work...
Best post of the year!!! Amen, Dan. This is what drives me crazy - when people move into an area and then complain about things that were there first. Cookman Ave could be an incredible place with music and dining mixing together. As it stands, it looks as though it will always have to be downplayed and under-utilized because of complaints from those living in the area. It's a shame because the Wave Festival earlier this year showed just how much potential the Cookman Ave area has to be a hub on entertainment. And that hub would not only keep the restaurants alive, but help them to thrive in the downtown area. On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:46 AM, dfsavgny wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Add to the lease - welcome to cookman ave. Music may be played and you may here it at 9pm. You buy or rent a place above a restaurant/bar or store and what do you expect. I think I told this already. Some newbie in gentrified Brooklyn complained to the city about the live poultry market next to their condo. The poultry market has been there 100+ years. Didn;t they see it?
[AsburyPark] Troll, Troll, Troll
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one is asking you to read through anything. Just tell me what you think he meant about he Mayor's Ball when he posted a link about money not going where promised. What do you think he meant? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
From a Rolling Stone article on Aug 13, 2004 after the Dixie Chicks situation: Clear Channel controls roughly 1,200 radio stations and about seventy percent of all live events that are promoted in the United States. Critics say the company also has a political agenda, given Clear Channel executives' close ties to George W. Bush and the company's willingness to drop Howard Stern at a time when many media companies are fighting for free speech. If you don't realize that they've sent a chill throughout the creative community, you're living on another planet, says Howie Klein, the former head of Reprise Records. Clear Channel pretty much can dictate what they want. There is no bigger company in the music business, and none with such close ties to conservative politics. Along with Mays, Tom Hicks, the former head of AMFM and a Clear Channel board member, was an investor in the 1989 Texas Rangers deal that made George W. Bush a very rich man. No other company in recent history has had so much power over what the world hears -- and so few top executives with a background in music. Several of the Mayses' friends and business associates say that popular culture has never come up in conversation; radio- division CEO John Hogan is a career ad salesman who says that he prefers talk to rock, rap or country stations. Brian Becker, the live- entertainment CEO, cut his teeth on motor sports and theater. One former Clear Channel executive told Rolling Stone that at annual corporate meetings, sales awards are given out for more than an hour -- and programming prizes take up only ten minutes. You're controlling all this media, and what you're saying is, 'We don't care about what's on the air,' he says. All they care about is moving product. *** Tommy, I'm sorry but to many of us the idea of one company like Clear Channel basically owning the airwaves and being able to dictate what American hears goes far beyond any of the concerns you may have about the Fairness Doctrine. And for anyone to be upset at hearing an artist speak his mind at a concert is rather absurd to me. That artist has the right to say what they want and the audience has the right to either agree or disagree; however, when a corporation pretty much owns the airwaves from coast to coast and lays down the law as to what can be said - I don't care if they're liberal or conservative I think that's wrong. I'm against monolopies and this is a good example of why monopolies are bad. Clear Channel helped America push against the Dixie Chicks for speaking their mind on stage - an opinion, which if shared on stage now would cause very little controversy. I guess they were just ahead of their time. In fact, many artists are often ahead of their time, which is why artists should use whatever platforms they have to push their opinion. It's just their opinion and people can agree or disagree, but corporations (like Clear Channel) don't necessarily offer someone the chance to agree or disagree they just force it down your throat and in many markets there will not be any differing opinions. That's not free speech to me, it's propaganda. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
Right on the money with that post Gary. And sadly, many many people have no idea at all about the way Clear Channel controls the media. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a Rolling Stone article on Aug 13, 2004 after the Dixie Chicks situation: Clear Channel controls roughly 1,200 radio stations and about seventy percent of all live events that are promoted in the United States. Critics say the company also has a political agenda, given Clear Channel executives' close ties to George W. Bush and the company's willingness to drop Howard Stern at a time when many media companies are fighting for free speech. If you don't realize that they've sent a chill throughout the creative community, you're living on another planet, says Howie Klein, the former head of Reprise Records. Clear Channel pretty much can dictate what they want. There is no bigger company in the music business, and none with such close ties to conservative politics. Along with Mays, Tom Hicks, the former head of AMFM and a Clear Channel board member, was an investor in the 1989 Texas Rangers deal that made George W. Bush a very rich man. No other company in recent history has had so much power over what the world hears -- and so few top executives with a background in music. Several of the Mayses' friends and business associates say that popular culture has never come up in conversation; radio- division CEO John Hogan is a career ad salesman who says that he prefers talk to rock, rap or country stations. Brian Becker, the live- entertainment CEO, cut his teeth on motor sports and theater. One former Clear Channel executive told Rolling Stone that at annual corporate meetings, sales awards are given out for more than an hour -- and programming prizes take up only ten minutes. You're controlling all this media, and what you're saying is, 'We don't care about what's on the air,' he says. All they care about is moving product. *** Tommy, I'm sorry but to many of us the idea of one company like Clear Channel basically owning the airwaves and being able to dictate what American hears goes far beyond any of the concerns you may have about the Fairness Doctrine. And for anyone to be upset at hearing an artist speak his mind at a concert is rather absurd to me. That artist has the right to say what they want and the audience has the right to either agree or disagree; however, when a corporation pretty much owns the airwaves from coast to coast and lays down the law as to what can be said - I don't care if they're liberal or conservative I think that's wrong. I'm against monolopies and this is a good example of why monopolies are bad. Clear Channel helped America push against the Dixie Chicks for speaking their mind on stage - an opinion, which if shared on stage now would cause very little controversy. I guess they were just ahead of their time. In fact, many artists are often ahead of their time, which is why artists should use whatever platforms they have to push their opinion. It's just their opinion and people can agree or disagree, but corporations (like Clear Channel) don't necessarily offer someone the chance to agree or disagree they just force it down your throat and in many markets there will not be any differing opinions. That's not free speech to me, it's propaganda. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America? I don't think 1200 puts you in control of all listening. I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%. If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no control. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Mayor's Ball
Tom D., I will be direct. 1. Can you tell me last years' total dollar amount given to charity from the Mayors' Ball. The reason I ask is I'm curious if the amount of UEZ money or city taxes needed to run the event was greater than the amount given to charity. My Mayors Ball thread started because one day in August the Council decided they were no longer going to take money to help pay for the Mayors' Ball from the developers and attorneys involved in Asbury Park. Then Gilmour is suspended, and now they are going to take money for the Mayors' Ball from said developers and attorneys. Tom,can you answer number 1? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
BS Tommy. If the right wing complains about Left Leaning media because of the NY Times, Washington Post and LA Times than I think owning about 75% of the Top stations in every market is dangerous. The other 25% are stations with many less listeners and far less signal power. Check the stats and you'll see this. Clear Channel doesn't invest in stations that are 100 watt... they go for 50,000 watts On Oct 8, 2007, at 3:57 PM, justifiedright wrote: Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America? I don't think 1200 puts you in control of all listening. I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%. If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no control.
[AsburyPark] Can a Lefty Get A Radio Signal?
So I'm bicycling around town the other day, listening to the local lefty radio station, and I pedal out from under the signal. One minute Thom Hartmann is there. The next minute he's gone, disappeared into a sea of static. I own light bulbs with more wattage than that station So it's the left's underpowered, static-riddled David versus the right's clear-voiced Goliath in a battle that will never make big money for station owners. _Click here: Peter Smith: Can a Lefty Get A Radio Signal? - Media on The Huffington Post_ (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-smith/can-a-lefty-get-a-radio-s_b_66555.html) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Springsteen Answers Critics
The amount of stations in America is insignificant because Clear Channel is in charge of the majority of high wattage stations. Those stations have the money to do plenty of advertising. A vast majority of Americans listen to the big, high wattage stations. I.E. KROCK, WNEW etc. And bear in mind, Gary is and always has been involved in the music industry, and he knows what he is talking about. He's not just Googling information. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't there about 13,000 radio stations in America? I don't think 1200 puts you in control of all listening. I think it puts you in control of about 8 or 9%. If you consider that the local decide what gets played, there is no control. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and the world at large?
We have to figure out a way to give equal time to AP topics and world topics. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe we can think of one together. Honestly, I have a hard time ignoring non-AP posts about topics i'm interested in. Thoughts please? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Here's The Clear Channel Facts
Gary look closely at the part about the Dixie Chicks, and see what their manager told Congress (Clear Channel got a bad rap for the boycott of Dixie Chicks rumor). Clear Channel Facts MYTH: Clear Channel radio stations banned air-play of Madonna after political comments. FACT: According to statistics from Mediabase, Clear Channel radio stations have played Madonna songs 18,290 times accounting for 26% of all radio airplay of her new CD, Confessions On A Dancefloor. This percentage is in line with the average percentage of airplay (26.9%) that she has received on Clear Channel stations for previous releases. MYTH: Clear Channel radio stations banned air-play of the Dixie Chicks after political comments. FACT: The radio company that banned the Dixie Chicks was Cumulus Media, not Clear Channel. That company also hosted the CD-smashing ceremony outside its Atlanta, Ga. headquarters, during which bulldozers crushed the group's CDs. Simon Renshaw, the Dixie Chicks' manager, told the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee in July that Clear Channel Communications did not ban the group's music and had received a bad rap. In reality, and in response to forceful and overwhelming demands from local listeners, some Clear Channel radio stations increased airplay of the group's music in the weeks after Natalie Maines made her comments; other Clear Channel radio stations temporarily suspended airplay. In fact, according to Mediabase's Airplay Monitor service, Clear Channel Radio played Dixie Chicks songs more often - a full 10,069 times - than any other major radio broadcaster in the two weeks following the statement by Natalie Maines. Clear Channel Radio stations are programmed, operated and managed locally based on extensive audience research. Local managers make their own decisions about programming and community events. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio banned The Dixie Chicks, Tom Petty's The Last DJ, Rage Against the Machine and John Lennon's Imagine. FACT: Clear Channel Radio does not issue mandates with regard to individual artists or songs. Clear Channel Radio stations are managed and programmed locally based on extensive audience research. In all four cases, Clear Channel radio stations play these songs or artists more times than any other radio company. Corporate Facts MYTH: Clear Channel endangered the public in Minot, N.D. because it didn't have anyone at its stations in the overnight hours. FACT: The public-notification failures connected with the Minot train derailment were a direct result of the local authorities' failure to install their Emergency Alert System equipment. Clear Channel absolutely had staff working that night and Clear Channel employees went above and beyond their professional responsibilities in responding to this serious situation, during and after the incident occurred. Clear Channel Sets the Record Straight About Aftermath of Minot, North Dakota Train Derailment. Radio Facts MYTH: Consolidation in the radio industry is at dangerous levels. FACT: Radio is the least consolidated segment of the media industry - - by far according to The Herfindahl-Hirschman Index, the metric often cited by the Department of Justice. Specifically, the top-5 music companies account for 85% of that industry's market share; the top-8 film companies account for 84%; the top-10 cable companies account for 67%; the top 6 ad agencies companies account for 65%; and the top-10 radio companies account for 43%. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio dominates radio in the United States. FACT: There are more than 13,000 radio stations in the United States and 3,800 station owners. Clear Channel Communications owns just 9% of U.S. radio stations and represents only 18% of the industry's revenue. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio stations are used as a platform for senior management's political agendas and ideologies. FACT: Clear Channel Radio is not operated according to any political agenda or ideology. Local managers make their own decisions about programming and community events. Clear Channel Radio employs approximately 250 local General Managers, 750 local Sales Managers, and 900 local Program Directors. Managers are measured on their ability to drive listenership by intimately understanding what audiences want to hear and delivering that. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio restricts airplay of new artists and new music. FACT: Clear Channel Radio has steadily increased the number of unique songs and unique artists played on its radio stations, according to airplay monitoring service Mediabase. Between 2001 and 2005, Clear Channel Radio increased the number of unique songs by 29,330 and the number of unique artists by 5,478. Clear Channel Radio stations are programmed locally using extensive audience research -- our genres and playlists reflect the changing tastes and demands of those listeners. Clear Channel Radio currently has more than 35 different
Re: [AsburyPark] How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and the world at large?
Topics that involve Bruce Springsteen deal with Asbury Park on a certain level IMO since he has played such a major role and continues to play a role in the city. I could see how people believe these topics have nothing to do with AP, but I think most of them do on some levels. On Oct 8, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Hinge wrote: We have to figure out a way to give equal time to AP topics and world topics. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe we can think of one together. Honestly, I have a hard time ignoring non-AP posts about topics i'm interested in. Thoughts please?
[AsburyPark] Re: Here's The Clear Channel Facts
Why don't you post the link that you got this googled info from? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary look closely at the part about the Dixie Chicks, and see what their manager told Congress (Clear Channel got a bad rap for the boycott of Dixie Chicks rumor). Clear Channel Facts MYTH: Clear Channel radio stations banned air-play of Madonna after political comments. FACT: According to statistics from Mediabase, Clear Channel radio stations have played Madonna songs 18,290 times accounting for 26% of all radio airplay of her new CD, Confessions On A Dancefloor. This percentage is in line with the average percentage of airplay (26.9%) that she has received on Clear Channel stations for previous releases. MYTH: Clear Channel radio stations banned air-play of the Dixie Chicks after political comments. FACT: The radio company that banned the Dixie Chicks was Cumulus Media, not Clear Channel. That company also hosted the CD-smashing ceremony outside its Atlanta, Ga. headquarters, during which bulldozers crushed the group's CDs. Simon Renshaw, the Dixie Chicks' manager, told the U.S. Senate Commerce Committee in July that Clear Channel Communications did not ban the group's music and had received a bad rap. In reality, and in response to forceful and overwhelming demands from local listeners, some Clear Channel radio stations increased airplay of the group's music in the weeks after Natalie Maines made her comments; other Clear Channel radio stations temporarily suspended airplay. In fact, according to Mediabase's Airplay Monitor service, Clear Channel Radio played Dixie Chicks songs more often - a full 10,069 times - than any other major radio broadcaster in the two weeks following the statement by Natalie Maines. Clear Channel Radio stations are programmed, operated and managed locally based on extensive audience research. Local managers make their own decisions about programming and community events. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio banned The Dixie Chicks, Tom Petty's The Last DJ, Rage Against the Machine and John Lennon's Imagine. FACT: Clear Channel Radio does not issue mandates with regard to individual artists or songs. Clear Channel Radio stations are managed and programmed locally based on extensive audience research. In all four cases, Clear Channel radio stations play these songs or artists more times than any other radio company. Corporate Facts MYTH: Clear Channel endangered the public in Minot, N.D. because it didn't have anyone at its stations in the overnight hours. FACT: The public-notification failures connected with the Minot train derailment were a direct result of the local authorities' failure to install their Emergency Alert System equipment. Clear Channel absolutely had staff working that night and Clear Channel employees went above and beyond their professional responsibilities in responding to this serious situation, during and after the incident occurred. Clear Channel Sets the Record Straight About Aftermath of Minot, North Dakota Train Derailment. Radio Facts MYTH: Consolidation in the radio industry is at dangerous levels. FACT: Radio is the least consolidated segment of the media industry - - by far according to The Herfindahl-Hirschman Index, the metric often cited by the Department of Justice. Specifically, the top-5 music companies account for 85% of that industry's market share; the top-8 film companies account for 84%; the top-10 cable companies account for 67%; the top 6 ad agencies companies account for 65%; and the top-10 radio companies account for 43%. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio dominates radio in the United States. FACT: There are more than 13,000 radio stations in the United States and 3,800 station owners. Clear Channel Communications owns just 9% of U.S. radio stations and represents only 18% of the industry's revenue. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio stations are used as a platform for senior management's political agendas and ideologies. FACT: Clear Channel Radio is not operated according to any political agenda or ideology. Local managers make their own decisions about programming and community events. Clear Channel Radio employs approximately 250 local General Managers, 750 local Sales Managers, and 900 local Program Directors. Managers are measured on their ability to drive listenership by intimately understanding what audiences want to hear and delivering that. MYTH: Clear Channel Radio restricts airplay of new artists and new music. FACT: Clear Channel Radio has steadily increased the number of unique songs and unique artists played on its radio stations, according to airplay monitoring service Mediabase. Between 2001 and 2005, Clear Channel Radio increased the number of unique songs by 29,330 and the number of unique artists
[AsburyPark] Seeking Columbuss Origins with DNA
Front page, under the fold, today: Even adherents of the Italian orthodoxy concede that little is known about the provenance of the Great Navigator, who seems to have purposely obscured his past. What I want to write is the final book on Columbus, and I will not be able to do it without science to settle this, said Francesc Albardaner, who was seduced by the possibility that DNA a tool whose answers are treated as indisputable fact in courtrooms and on TV shows would endorse his deeply held belief in the Catalonian Columbus. Olga Rickards, a Lorente collaborator at Tor Vergata University in Rome, has been quoted as saying that she wouldn't bet on Columbus being Spanish. A graduate student of Dr. Lorente's who had studied the Colombo DNA led Italian newspapers to believe Columbus was from Lombardy, north of Genoa, although she had apparently never seen Columbus's DNA. And Nito Verdera, a journalist from the Balearic island of Ibiza, who says the explorer was a Catalan-speaking Ibizan crypto-Jew, cited leaks from Dr. Lorente's team that link Columbus to North Africa.Click here: Seeking Columbus's Origins, With a Swab - New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/08/us/08columbus.html?ref=todayspaperpa\ gewanted=all Sidebars: Catalan, Potugese. Ibiza, Jewish, Behind the Myth, DNA Great Graphic Columns: 1. Theories, 2. Evidence, 3. Counterevidence, and 4. the DNA Twist. http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/10/08/us/08columbus.web.graph.htm\ l http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/10/08/us/08columbus.web.graph.ht\ ml
[AsburyPark] Re: Here's The Clear Channel Facts
Jack I'm sorry it's from their site. I thought that would be understood from the content - maybe I was wrong: http://www.clearchannel.com/Corporate/PressRelease.aspx? PressReleaseID=1167p=hidden Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and the world at large?
I agree, and the reason i'm asking is that better designed group message boards contain a series of catagories rather then one big group, such as this one. I've worked as a moderator on a few message boards, and I find this one singular catagory to be frustrating because the user doesn't have the ability to easily seek out the topics they are interested in. Some of us have the luxury of having lots of time per day to post here, so we wind up capitalizing this space, and because of this other topics get lost in the sauce. I'm sure some people could care less about this Clear Channel discussion. I'm thinking that it would be a good idea to move to a better platform, like this; http://ezboard.com/ Then we could create whole list of discussion topics, and make everybody happy in one place. And, please forgive me if i'm unaware of any message boards that were, or are doing this already for Asbury Park. I like the group of people we have here, and I'd like to keep the family together, I just think we could do it a better way. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Topics that involve Bruce Springsteen deal with Asbury Park on a certain level IMO since he has played such a major role and continues to play a role in the city. I could see how people believe these topics have nothing to do with AP, but I think most of them do on some levels. On Oct 8, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Hinge wrote: We have to figure out a way to give equal time to AP topics and world topics. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe we can think of one together. Honestly, I have a hard time ignoring non-AP posts about topics i'm interested in. Thoughts please? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here's The Clear Channel Facts
But don't you think that Clear Channel might be posting biased facts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack I'm sorry it's from their site. I thought that would be understood from the content - maybe I was wrong: http://www.clearchannel.com/Corporate/PressRelease.aspx? PressReleaseID=1167p=hidden Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Mayor's Ball
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom D., I will be direct. 1. Can you tell me last years' total dollar amount given to charity from the Mayors' Ball. Rook, Don't u know by now NO one ever responds to the amoints given to charity and how it is allocated. Me, I'd like like to see the amounts spent on: Fundraising, administration and for example, footballs or shoes or taking kids to a ballgme or paying for a music class. You have a good question though, was other money used to fund one possibly money losing event ( I don't know the facts) that will hopefully rasie enough to give back to charity?? Accounting for Dollars. A new game show, based in AP. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Here's The Clear Channel Facts
When it comes to something like testimony in the Congressional Record, I don't think they would lie about that/ It's too easy to check. If the Dixie Chick's own manager said under oath that Clear Channel got a bad rap on the boycott rumor, I can understand why Michael Moore will cling to the lie. Not Gary though. I'm sure he'll agree that Moore jumped to a conclusion he shouldn't have. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But don't you think that Clear Channel might be posting biased facts? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote: Jack I'm sorry it's from their site. I thought that would be understood from the content - maybe I was wrong: http://www.clearchannel.com/Corporate/PressRelease.aspx? PressReleaseID=1167p=hidden Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Attn Shop Rite Customers - Neptune
The power has been out from at least the AP circle down 66 to at least Rt 18. So most of the stores are closed and some genius at Shop-Rite didn't bother putting all the refrigiration there on generators nor the AC. So since around 10 am this monring, when we lost power in that area, the food in shoprite has been laying around. I just left there and they have [lastic sheets over all the open refrigeration units,t rying to keep it cool. Hoever, the store must be upto around 80 inside. I'd think by now they'd be pakcing up the meats and other stuff and shipping them off to the foodbanks or other CHARITIES out there. They should be knocking on shoprites door. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and the world at large?
Here's an example of what i'm talking about. It's an EZ board discussion group about Atlantic City; http://p069.ezboard.com/batlanticcityone --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, and the reason i'm asking is that better designed group message boards contain a series of catagories rather then one big group, such as this one. I've worked as a moderator on a few message boards, and I find this one singular catagory to be frustrating because the user doesn't have the ability to easily seek out the topics they are interested in. Some of us have the luxury of having lots of time per day to post here, so we wind up capitalizing this space, and because of this other topics get lost in the sauce. I'm sure some people could care less about this Clear Channel discussion. I'm thinking that it would be a good idea to move to a better platform, like this; http://ezboard.com/ Then we could create whole list of discussion topics, and make everybody happy in one place. And, please forgive me if i'm unaware of any message boards that were, or are doing this already for Asbury Park. I like the group of people we have here, and I'd like to keep the family together, I just think we could do it a better way. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Topics that involve Bruce Springsteen deal with Asbury Park on a certain level IMO since he has played such a major role and continues to play a role in the city. I could see how people believe these topics have nothing to do with AP, but I think most of them do on some levels. On Oct 8, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Hinge wrote: We have to figure out a way to give equal time to AP topics and world topics. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe we can think of one together. Honestly, I have a hard time ignoring non-AP posts about topics i'm interested in. Thoughts please? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Seeking Columbuss Origins with DNA
island of Ibiza, who says the explorer was a Catalan-speaking Ibizan crypto-Jew, Wow, imaging what it would be like if Columbus were a Jew?? Does it really matter? He would up here and who really knows if this is really where he wanted to wind up. Back to Asbury - enjoy the rest of the weather. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and ...
In a message dated 10/8/2007 4:56:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's an example of what i'm talking about. It's an EZ board discussion group about Atlantic City; Hinge, that's great! How do we get one? Just a word of caution though; there's usually some level of inertia here -- an unwillingness to migrate to other boards. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and ...
Well, I would be happy to make one, and register a domain name for one so it would be easy to find. But first, what do the major posters here think? Do we want one? Would you join? If so, let me know and i'll take charge and make it happen, but only if people are interested. -H --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/8/2007 4:56:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's an example of what i'm talking about. It's an EZ board discussion group about Atlantic City; Hinge, that's great! How do we get one? Just a word of caution though; there's usually some level of inertia here -- an unwillingness to migrate to other boards. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] When the Parade Passes By.....
In a message dated 10/8/2007 5:01:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow, imaging what it would be like if Columbus were a Jew?? Does it really matter? He would up here and who really knows if this is really where he wanted to wind up. Back to Asbury OK Lots of AP Press coverage today of Columbus Day parades in Seaside and Long Branch. No mention of Asbury Park's landing. Why's that? BTW - Does anyone know how small town parades are financed? Do Seaside Heights, LB, and Belmar taxpayers foot the bill for their parades? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: How do we strike a balance between talking about AP and ...
In a message dated 10/8/2007 5:07:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I would be happy to make one, and register a domain name for one so it would be easy to find. But first, what do the major posters here think? Do we want one? Would you join? Yes. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Magnificent Voyage of Christopher Columbus Monday, October 8, 9:00pm
Magnificent Voyage of Christopher Columbus Monday, October 8, 9:00pm CHANNEL 13 (WNET) * _View more broadcast times_ (http://www.pbs.org/includes/tvschedules/new/programinfopopup.html?title_id=MVCCdisplay_feed=2609display_format=list_ airdatesfeeds=2609station=WNETzipcode=07712transport=provider=channelsup press=fsupersite=program_title=Magnificent Voyage of Christopher Columbus) A chronicle of Columbus' first Atlantic crossing includes a re-creation of the event using replicas of the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria. The film is adapted from the seven-part BBC series Columbus and the Age of Discovery. How to handle Columbus Day and the more general study of the conquest of the Americas by Europeans is one of the controversial topics that challenges the classroom teacher. There are no easy answers. A good approach is to acknowledge up front the differences in perspective on exploration and colonization and to help students look at the issue from more than one point of view. It also helps to put the issue in its global context of people and events in Europe and the Americas before Columbus. There is some excellent new scholarship on America before Columbus but not much yet for young readers. Here is a set of reviewed web resources, internet lessons, and literature for children and teachers. _Click here: Untitled Document_ (http://score.rims.k12.ca.us/score_lessons/Columbus_Day/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
[AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon-
I appreciate your point. But, describing extortion as a mistake... A surgeon slips with the scalpel - that's a mistake. Asking for a bribe, how can that be interpreted as a mistake? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is personal friends with someone who made some terrible mistakes. While I understand (and on some level share) the discomfort with that, on another level I give her credit for being a loyal friend who refuses to abandon someone just because she will be criticized for maintaining the friendship. I really don't think anyone truly believes she is the least bit corrupt. So give her some credit for being strong enough to stand by a friend when it would be much easier not to. That said, I do think as a strong and proactive voice against corruption it is intellectually dishonest of her to pretend that Weldon didn't exist when bringing up corruption of the recent past. Friend or not, if she's choosing to bring up the topic then be as critical of his actions as she is of others. If Kate's not willing to do that then she should avoid the topic all-together. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon-
I totally understand that feeling - and have bounced back and forth on it myself. But if I had a really close friend who did that I'd like to think that despite being very disappointed in them and their actions I'd also have the guts to consider still being a friend. Because your true friends are those who will not defend your actions but will stand behind you as you face the consequences of those actions (before anyone yells at me the fact that he hasn't yet faced them is a totally different topic unrelated to Kate). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate your point. But, describing extortion as a mistake... A surgeon slips with the scalpel - that's a mistake. Asking for a bribe, how can that be interpreted as a mistake? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: She is personal friends with someone who made some terrible mistakes. While I understand (and on some level share) the discomfort with that, on another level I give her credit for being a loyal friend who refuses to abandon someone just because she will be criticized for maintaining the friendship. I really don't think anyone truly believes she is the least bit corrupt. So give her some credit for being strong enough to stand by a friend when it would be much easier not to. That said, I do think as a strong and proactive voice against corruption it is intellectually dishonest of her to pretend that Weldon didn't exist when bringing up corruption of the recent past. Friend or not, if she's choosing to bring up the topic then be as critical of his actions as she is of others. If Kate's not willing to do that then she should avoid the topic all-together. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: When the Parade Passes By.....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots of AP Press coverage today of Columbus Day parades in Seaside and Long Branch. No mention of Asbury Park's landing. Why's that? Nancy Shields came last year when there were rumors of some sort of a showdown with protestors. She did a column on the conmtroversy. No such rumors this year, so no Nancy. I guess a beautiful day, thousands at the beach and boardwalk, the ceremony, the dignitaries that came out, etc. is good news, so no Asbury Park in the Press. I imagine if Christopher Columbus came off the boat, joined the Bloods and sold me a half ounce of reefer, then it would have been on the front page. The Coaster was there. They never let AP down. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Chutzpah, Service and Duty
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like this has become a one-on-one discussion at this point. Why don't you guys take it to email - or a dark alley - and fight it out there. How about another great weekend on the beach! Hard to believe it's October but I'll take it. Let's talk about that - or anything that actually invovles Asbury Park Oustanding. Swimming in October. Anyone see the guys with two parrots and a cockatoo this weekend on the beach? This town has something for everyone. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Can a Lefty Get A Radio Signal?
A radio station is a business. You either apply for one or buy one. Either method is very costly. The FCC regulates radio stations and has no control of content. Lefty's need to come up with the cash instead of whining. What ever did happen to Air America? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm bicycling around town the other day, listening to the local lefty radio station, and I pedal out from under the signal. One minute Thom Hartmann is there. The next minute he's gone, disappeared into a sea of static. I own light bulbs with more wattage than that station So it's the left's underpowered, static-riddled David versus the right's clear-voiced Goliath in a battle that will never make big money for station owners. Click here: Peter Smith: Can a Lefty Get A Radio Signal? - Media on The Huffington Post - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. - Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV.
[AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon-
Not only has he not faced the consequences, but he manipulated the system, got a cushy job on the beach at Ocean Grove despite his so called health problems, and made a mockery of the criminal justice system. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I totally understand that feeling - and have bounced back and forth on it myself. But if I had a really close friend who did that I'd like to think that despite being very disappointed in them and their actions I'd also have the guts to consider still being a friend. Because your true friends are those who will not defend your actions but will stand behind you as you face the consequences of those actions (before anyone yells at me the fact that he hasn't yet faced them is a totally different topic unrelated to Kate). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: I appreciate your point. But, describing extortion as a mistake... A surgeon slips with the scalpel - that's a mistake. Asking for a bribe, how can that be interpreted as a mistake? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: She is personal friends with someone who made some terrible mistakes. While I understand (and on some level share) the discomfort with that, on another level I give her credit for being a loyal friend who refuses to abandon someone just because she will be criticized for maintaining the friendship. I really don't think anyone truly believes she is the least bit corrupt. So give her some credit for being strong enough to stand by a friend when it would be much easier not to. That said, I do think as a strong and proactive voice against corruption it is intellectually dishonest of her to pretend that Weldon didn't exist when bringing up corruption of the recent past. Friend or not, if she's choosing to bring up the topic then be as critical of his actions as she is of others. If Kate's not willing to do that then she should avoid the topic all-together. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Kate's Weldon-
No debating that. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not only has he not faced the consequences, but he manipulated the system, got a cushy job on the beach at Ocean Grove despite his so called health problems, and made a mockery of the criminal justice system. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: I totally understand that feeling - and have bounced back and forth on it myself. But if I had a really close friend who did that I'd like to think that despite being very disappointed in them and their actions I'd also have the guts to consider still being a friend. Because your true friends are those who will not defend your actions but will stand behind you as you face the consequences of those actions (before anyone yells at me the fact that he hasn't yet faced them is a totally different topic unrelated to Kate). --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, radio881gal restore881FM@ wrote: I appreciate your point. But, describing extortion as a mistake... A surgeon slips with the scalpel - that's a mistake. Asking for a bribe, how can that be interpreted as a mistake? Maureen --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ wrote: She is personal friends with someone who made some terrible mistakes. While I understand (and on some level share) the discomfort with that, on another level I give her credit for being a loyal friend who refuses to abandon someone just because she will be criticized for maintaining the friendship. I really don't think anyone truly believes she is the least bit corrupt. So give her some credit for being strong enough to stand by a friend when it would be much easier not to. That said, I do think as a strong and proactive voice against corruption it is intellectually dishonest of her to pretend that Weldon didn't exist when bringing up corruption of the recent past. Friend or not, if she's choosing to bring up the topic then be as critical of his actions as she is of others. If Kate's not willing to do that then she should avoid the topic all-together. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Mayor's Ball
You guys have re-ignited my interest. Good questions. In a message dated 10/8/2007 4:51:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) , rook782 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom D., I will be direct. 1. Can you tell me last years' total dollar amount given to charity from the Mayors' Ball. Rook, Don't u know by now NO one ever responds to the amoints given to charity and how it is allocated. Me, I'd like like to see the amounts spent on: Fundraising, administration and for example, footballs or shoes or taking kids to a ballgme or paying for a music class. You have a good question though, was other money used to fund one possibly money losing event ( I don't know the facts) that will hopefully rasie enough to give back to charity?? Accounting for Dollars. A new game show, based in AP. _http://peek.snipurl.com/1qyy7_ (http://peek.snipurl.com/1qyy7) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com inline: saint%20smile.jpg
[AsburyPark] another side
Bruce Almighty If rock is dead, nobody told the Boss. * By Hugo Lindgren http://nymag.com/nymag/author_87 Springsteen in the seventies. (Photo: Michael Ochs Archives/Getty Images) Amid the effusion of praise that greeted /Born to Run/ upon its release in 1975, Nik Cohn attempted, in this very magazine, to puncture the myth of Bruce Springsteen. Cohn wasn’t acting completely alone. The New York /Times/ had just published a 2,000-word diatribe against the man not yet known to the world as the Boss, accusing him of fakery, sentimentality, and assorted other crimes against rock. But Cohn was more damning. While admitting that he enjoyed the album for its pomp and “mock-tragic” vision, Cohn declared Springsteen “essentially irrelevant. The rock-and-roll dream that he so avidly celebrates is dead. Understandably, the people who have raised him to godhood find that hard to accept, for it means the death of their own youth. So they manage one last fling.” It’s fair to say that history has proved Cohn wrong. /Born to Run/ has stood up as the archetypal rock album of the seventies, just as /Born in the U.S.A./ may well be the archetypal rock album of the eighties. But Cohn wasn’t crazy or deluded to view Springsteen as an artist trading in spent tropes of youthful rebellion. What he misjudged was the ability of anything else to fully displace those ideas. Disco, punk, post-punk, hip-hop—they all failed to drive Bruce into total obsolescence. He is still here, in his leather jacket and Levi’s, manhandling his beat-up Fender and packing every arena he plays. Do all these people know rock is dead? They don’t give a shit. But now that Springsteen is pushing 60, you have to wonder, how much longer can he play the guitar-wielding rock hero? His release last year of a Pete Seeger tribute album, though hardly his first foray into folk, suggested an artist in transition, perhaps to a quieter, more contemplative phase. But the raucous, vaudevillian shows he played on the Seeger tour were anything but contemplative. Now he’s back with /Magic/, his fifteenth album, for which he’s regrouped with his arena-rocking pals, the E Street Band. On the first song, “Radio Nowhere,” the guitars kick right in, and he starts hollering about his need for “pounding drums” and “a world with some soul.” It’s nothing terribly exciting—the main riff has the /faux/ edge that you used to hear from alternative-rock bands making their major-label debuts—but Springsteen sounds genuinely engaged and pissed off. Unfortunately, he doesn’t quite keep it up. Though his voice is strong and sincere throughout the album, most of the material has a certain karaoke-like vibe. All but “Radio Nowhere” and the gentle, melancholic title track have what sound to my ears like obvious antecedents in his back catalogue: You’ll Be Comin’ Down = Lucky Town Livin’ in the Future = Tenth Avenue Freeze-Out Gypsy Biker = The River I’ll Work for Your Love = Thunder Road Last to Die = Roulette The rote familiarity of the material is compounded by the fact that the E Street Band tackles every song—and that’s the word, tackle, as in football—with, at best, dutiful competence. Their skills are suited to huge places. The rhythm section pounds away as if every room has the intimacy of Madison Square Garden. And all apologies to Clarence Clemons, but I’ve heard better saxophone playing on subway platforms. A license to tour, that’s what this album really is. Once upon a time, bands toured to support albums; now they release albums to support tours. And at this point, Springsteen’s appeal is only partly about music. His boomer fans revere him also as a role model—of how to grow old with integrity, how to get rich without going soft, how to not lose all your hair, how to not get fat, how to not turn into someone who would embarrass your younger self. It’s not eternal youth he symbolizes so much as a version of middle age that you wouldn’t be afraid to look at in the mirror. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
