[AsburyPark] Re: Coaster Article on Esperanza Shutdown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, every private and public developer is hurting - depending where they are in their cycle etc. The bank cut are doing little to help. But taking a look at Metro, they never had full crews on the project. That's why I think they were looking for a partner real early on. The heavy marketing push didn't do want they wanted - help sell at least 3/4 of the building which MIGHT of helped them find a partner or buyer. These of course are just thoughts, Maybe thy have a new partner/buyer lined up and all our griping is meaningless. It's up to the City Council and partners to find out. Maybe a call to Pru Insurance or North Fork. The Council should also get a firm handle on how many of the 70 contracts are real amd how many were insider contractshow many with actual deposits in escrow. Hi guys, I haven't been reading this board in months, but the news report on Esperanza drew me back here. Oak: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/24943 So, after selling 30 units in 3 weeks they got another 40 units in 7 months? No wonder they closed the sales office. Weren't covering the rent. Hope you guys took my advice opened up that line of credit back in April: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/23850 Happy Holidays all! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Asbury to get $7.5M aid from state
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We faced a $5 million deficit when we got into office, Deputy Mayor Jim Bruno said. Is this an admission of incompentence? So, in 6 years, they turned a $5 mm deficit into a $7.5 mm deficit by selling off hundreds of millions of dollars worth of property? Seems odd that they are so against state assistance into managing the books, yet are willing to take a bigger and bigger check each year. What is this council hiding? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: FYI - Values and Waterfront
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I visited the Esperanza sales center this past weekend. The sales lady said they had sold 30 in the first 3 weeks. Not bad if true. not bad for 2 weeks. I almost believe it. The es has a design/look. The next question - how many are being purchased by investors looking to flip? I know of 2 so far. 30 sold 194 to go. Ever the optimist Oak. Metro's whole purpose of the fabricated birthday party to coincide with the opening of the sales office was to let the people clamoring to get into the Esperanza drop their deposits down. Three weeks later people who wanted a spot have gotten it, and the sales staff is going to have to work a lot harder to sell the other 87% of the units. There is no sense of urgency for a buyer, and prospective buyers can now wait until people are actually in boardwalk amenities have opened before they tie up their cash with a down payment. Even Westminster claimed 50% were sold in the first month: http://asburypartners.com/westminster_050906.html I'd be willing to bet more money was made selling the rusted steel from C8 than these 30 units. I'd hate to be MetroHomes when their line of credit comes up for renewal if they are still sitting at preconstruction occupancy of 13%. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: sitar advertising a 3 bedroom wesley grove $2900
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the one who asked, and those that are curious: Sitar has in MLS a 3 bedroom, 3 bth unit at Wesley grove listed for $2900. 2 indoor parking spaces. Flexible landlord. 1,561 sq ft Date Available as 7/1. Original list price: $3800. Maybe someone is going to see how they managed to make pier village a success - by mixing in rentals with ownership. High prirce rentals at that. Figure $500 a month goes towards taxes, if the property is owned free clear that's $2400 per month going to the owner or $28,800 a year. What was the original price, $600,000? 4.8% return. You can get 4.8% on a one year CD, and not have to worry about a bank teller throwing a party in your CD. If the owner has a mortgage, he can borrow $400,000 at 6% for $2400 a month. He'd still have to come up with a $200,000 down payment to make up the difference. (BTW, at the original $3800 rent he could have borrowed $550,000, which is probably what the amount financed actually is.) The financials not working aside, who would want to start a lease down the shore in the middle of the season??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Some Eye-Opening Numbers
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In light of the budget deficit I wonder what the Esperanza (C- 8) property is valued at for tax purposes. The sale is listed as over $17 Million. Shouldn't that be the new valuation? Abatements. Goof thing, when a 1 bedroom will be paying $5k in taxes year 1 and 2. WITH abatements. There are some very interesting rentals coming up at N. Beach. NO MORTGAGE, NO TAXES. Just pay rent and utilities. Live on the ocean on/off someone's else's money and investment and tax write offs - for less then owning. Are those actually closed owned properties, or just a speculator thinking he's still getting a zero down, interest only Alt-A mortgage? I wonder what the remedy is if this guy can't close on his condo when the rental agreement goes into effect? Could be fun trying to squeeze him from the other side when the mortgage company surprises him with a denial when he goes to close. Anyone who is interested in egghead stuff, Pimco put out a research report last week. (Pimco is a real Wall Street firm, as opposed to a vulture investor who thinks they are an oceanfront developer). One of their portfolio managers sold his house last year, and he explains why he is continuing to rent as the housing market unwinds over the next 18 months and essentially destroys the economy. Here's the report: http://tinyurl.com/3acrow Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: In 1974, AP had a 100 Birthday Celebration....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want a refund. May 19, 1974ASBURY PARK - This city, once a leading summer resort, began its 100th birthday celebration last night by memorializing the past and preparing for the future. JJ, help me with the math. 74+33 = 107. So, if the last 33 years only took 10 years, according to Asbury revisionist history I'm only 12 years old? Maybe this odd timekeeping is how they justify with a straight face that they actually ARE meeting their deadlines??? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From APP
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and while you may not like PF changs, cheesecake etc - they all are a draw, cause that's what people what to piss away their money on. Golden Corral, Cheesecake etc - all have pretty good expansion plans in NJ. Trust me. And, if you read the article, a fact - there is NO commercial land around where they want to be. That's why you have the developers building the outlet center on 66 - doing all the infrastructure before they even have final approvals. Why? cause they have to beat out new land use regulations. YOu have a ton of new housing in the immediate area - and a need for more and more franchise type of operations - like it or not. And - as proven in AP, theres room for the non-standard palces as well. Plenty of $$$ in the area to be spent. The partners are sitting on gold, and they now it. The that gets built up around them, the shiner that pot gets. What they pay in taxes is drop in the bucket to the final payoff. Something willhappen at the bc, the salvation army tower, another new hotel - in time. You guys missed the most important Asbury related fact of the Freehold mall expansion. It was proposed in July '06, approved Sept '06, groundbreaking was Feb '07, and tenants will be in by Nov '07. 16 months from dream to reality, and if it wasn't for Holiday Shopping crowds, construction would have started earlier. To compare, Madison Marquette was named developer in May '06: http://tinyurl.com/2nlray In the same time Asbury turned ratables into parking lots, Freehold is turning parking lots into ratables. Yet the story doesn't even mention who the developer was on the project? I wonder if the taxpayers of Freehold even care who the developer is and what awards he has won? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Market ?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie oceanchuck@ wrote: your right, the potential is there. im pretty the ground floor the casino will be a Farmers market though. i heard the MM people talking to some outside audience members, asnwering questioins. he said we are really going to try to aim for some sort of farmers market in the casino so that is most likely its future! There They Go Again - tm OK, Farmer's Market let's give that a try: Market implies produce, goods, etc, Need to get it to the site somehow, Boat? Maybe - Not likely, would have to build a pier. Airdrop? I don't think so. Railroad ? No tracks around the Beachfront. Trucks ? Sure lets use trucks to deliver stuff. Trucks need roads, room to move, parking, loading docks. OOps, we closed all the roads, planned a hotel where the parking was and didnt consider a way to get goods into the building. Just another day in Asbury Park. Werner I chuckled when I read the Farmer's Market comment above. I grew up in a farm town, and what we called a Farmer's Market is called a Flea Market in North Jersey. The place where you can buy produce direct from the farmers is called an Auction. Wasn't the Palace a flea market in its last days? Maybe they ARE bringing Asbury's history back, just not the history everyone wants! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: scher
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I know is that the State Theatre in New Brunswick seems to do very well with each of their shows as well. Many other venues the same size as the Paramount are doing well in Jersey. Convention Hall might be a bit harder, but if someone knew what they were doing they could make it work. Several of the bands that have played the Starland Ballroom in recent years also have played the Arts Center in the last decade. If he can get them to go from the Arts Center size to the Starland Ballroom size, you could get them in Convention Hall. I'm actually taking my kids to see Sesame Street Live at the State Theatre tomorrow. Just in children's entertainment, right now currently touring the country are 3 different Sesame Streets, 2 different Thomas the Train, Dora, Diego, Blue's Clues, Bob the Builder, the Doodlebops, Clifford. That's 11 just off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are others. It's amazing how NONE of these tours want to perform in Asbury, but Moscow Circus will come every 6 months. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re:what ever happened to
Maureen, Ever thought of podcasting? You basically have all the infrastructure in place, its simply a matter of submitting your streams to iTunes or podcastalley. http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html The good part is you're not subject to the FCC. Also, you can edit your show, aren't bound to set timelines, and can do it during a more convenient time. The bad part is you can't really take call-ins unless they're prearranged. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Restore881FM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever happened to Asbury Radio? Well I thought you'd never ask, Allen. The weekly show was like doing a feature article a week and so took considerable time from my revenue producing work. For most of the past 6.5 years my freelance work suffered and so did my bank account. Just prior to the first FCC visit to WYGG, I took an office job. My boss allows me to work four weekdays and Saturday, affording me one weekday to do my freelancing. It's working out quite well. The same cannot be said for the show, which hasn't aired since Nov. 16th. This letter, below, that I sent to Sen. Menendez on March 20th, will explain the current status. I recently got a response from Cong. Frank Pallone to a similar fax I sent him, on Feb. 12th. He said his office had asked the FCC's enforcement bureau to look into it. If I don't hear anything by April 8th, I should give him another call. This isn't satisfactory since the station's temporary permit expires April 7th. Pallone had no response to that information. I know you've been critical of my show in the past, Allen, but I would hope that you and other critics could still appreciate the importance of this threat to free speech - and no, I still don't know who is behind this. March 20, 2007 Re. FCC Intervention in WYGG 88.1FM Dear Senator Menendez: I have had a radio show, Asbury Radio (previously Restore by the Shore and Restore Radio), on WYGG 88.1 FM, which would've been on the air 7 years this June. The station is a low-band, minority owned arrangement that broadcasts largely in Haitian Creole. (Abner Luima bought and held the license until recently.) In mid-November Steven Desena, a field engineer with the FCC based on Varick St., in NY, claimed to be driving by our studios at 601 Bangs Ave., in Asbury Park. Mr. Desena gained entrance to the building and examined the antenna without WYGG present. DeSena phoned the station manager, Jean Guy Henry, and pretended to be a cable installer who needed the transmitter turned down to work on the roof. He then summoned Henry to the roof and brow beat Henry to try to get him to turn off the transmitter. Eventually, according to Henry, Desena turned off the transmission himself, which Iâm told is a violation of FCC rules. The station remained off the air from just before Thanksgiving until February of 2007. Desena told Henry heâd have to move the station, which he did during January. The station was relocated to a house owned by and adjacent to the French Haitian church at 414 Asbury Ave. The FCC granted a temporary permit to allow the station back up on the air, but that permission expires in early April. The management gradually reintroduced programming to the station, with the exception of my show. Henry told me in March that heâs afraid that my show is the real target of the FCCâs attentions. (Desena visited again at the new location on Jan. 28th.) This makes three or four visits to a 100- watt station in roughly two months. Despite this, there is no record on the FCC's web pages for listing Notices of Apparent Violation. On a recent visit, Desena reportedly asked specifically about my talk show and, granted this is second hand, told Henry that it may be the publicâs right to talk about this stuff but they (?) donât like it. Desena told Henry that all guests have to sign in, have to be listed prior to show time as well, with their topics and how long they intend to be on. Is this really Federal FCC Regulation? I can clearly see where such rules would have a possibly chilling effect on free speech. My second question is: Can you find out who or what formed the initial catalyst for Desenaâs visit in November? By the way, it may mean nothing, but my last show to air over WYGG was about the awakening potential of voters from Asbury Parkâs West Side. Naturally, this protracted situation has only given fuel to speculation. Other subjects covered on my show have been random violence against Latino workers, Eminent Domain, Abolition of the Death Penalty, environmental and tenants' rights, etc. Again, if you could confirm these FCC requirements; and if you could find out the reason for the FCCâs spontaneous visit and termination of the signal, I would be most grateful. Best regards, Maureen Nevin, Host - Asbury Radio March 20, 2007 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group
[AsburyPark] Re: Took my girl and kids to the Moscow Circus in CH last night
I made that mistake 3 years ago. I actually had a thermometer in my diaper bag. It was 43 degrees inside. For $25 a head is it too much to ask for heat? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburyparkpedaler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I thought I lost my shirt at the hands of the city! I should have taken them north to the three rings of Ringling Bros; It probably would have cost me about half as much for three times the show! No offense to the talented performers, but man do they take you to the bank! Good thing i had the free children's tickets!?!? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: So how do we call Wesley Grove on their BS?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I just leave a finance guy who, familiiar with Wesley etc: - 3/4 of the units are sold. - (note, not closed) non-refundable deposits - the units facing the water are sold. - none of the top units are sold - co's have been issued. when asked about the broken windows...he said someone oin the city was quoted as saying there is a big, big problem with gangs.. I aksed him where he got the sales numbers from... a city rep. I don't doubt units were sold - but that was 2 years ago. see who goes to the closing table. C-8 in the beginning was almost sold out. non-refundable deposit. More like live learn...they put down $60,000 agreed to purchase the property for $600,000. The property has obviously dropped in value since the contract was signed. Better to lose $60,000 then be locked into losing $250,000. This is going on across the country with new construction. Luckily for the developers in Asbury, the property tax is abated, so they're not forced to discount to get a quick sale can wait out this downturn until the housing market comes back up again. I suppose my Lucent stock will be worth $80 again too someday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Cost Of Education
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asbury Park, an Abbott school district, is paying about $19,102 for each of its students this school year, which is the highest per-pupil spending rate in Monmouth and Ocean counties, according to data released Friday by the state Department of Education. To put this in perspective, tuition at Rutgers is $9,958 per year. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Inertia...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a related note - At last Wednesdays Council Meeting the City budget was a topic of discussion since they are again bonding for over $1M. Asbury Partners was hammered for lack of performance. Specifically - the loss of about $2M in ratables due to demolition on the beachfront and for lack or progress creating new ratables. Prior budgets have been formulated upon anticipated revenue from new ratables. That has not happened and we are now about $7.5M in the red. Heading toward $10M at end of year. The taxpayers are should be prepared for a significant tax increase. Werner PS: The City went into this Deal at a loss of $6M just on selling Carabetta tax liens for 50 cents on the dollar. Hate to say I told you so but selling off assets to plug holes in a budget without spending cuts is just idiotic. It's idiotic when individuals do it, it's idiotic when cities do it, and it's going to be idiotic when the Wizard of Wall Street proposes to do it to our Turnpike Lottery. So, now that everything has been sold off, what exactly is the city going to sell a bond against? I believe this is what the mob refers to as the bust out phase of redevelopment. Better make sure your fire insurance is paid up, you never know how far the wind will carry embers. By the way, how much did the city wind up getting from the Triangle property? (As mentioned before, I haven't really been following) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Inertia...
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: AP: 311 listings in MLS. PLUS. Time to buy and hold. You see further decreases? If these sherlocks ever find out where they parked the squad car, the timing should coincide for some big gains. Just in time to pay of my ARM. Buy hold More like set up a line of credit while you still have equity on paper appraisers who don't notice the for sale signs. As Menendez said today, We have tsunami of foreclosures on the horizon. I honestly think things are going to get worse before they get better. No way Amboy National can have both Dwek Kara default and still be solvent. You can only keep a tourniquet on a limb for so long before the head turns blue from lack of blood. Well gee, that means two of the 7 people in this picture (http://tinyurl.com/ysu9o8) are insolvent. And according to this interview (http://tinyurl.com/27kttd) they are fully committed to financing all 157 units. Oops, there goes $85 mm in easy money to Asbury Park. But of course there are tons of banks, right? Wrong! What happens with all these smaller banks failing is the Japanization of the American economy. Japan has had zero interest rates for the last 15 years and the banks have all merged into about 3 or 4 super-banks. Can you imagine getting a 30 year mortgage at 2% in Japan? Well, you can't, because there is no profit margin for the banks, so they have all stopped issuing mortgages. If you want a house of your own, you better bring your checkbook to the closing. This is where that extra line of credit you got back in April 2007 comes in handy. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. You've got that powder dry for when AsburyPartner's funding dries up, and can take the whole ball of wax off their hands for a few thousand dollars to help them pay to move their $%!t back to Lakewood and fold the business into Chapter 7. Then we can spend the next 6 years arguing about how YOU are going to save the city, and how YOU will bring badly needed receivables, err ratables, to the city, and how all of us will become filthy rich because of you because you will create a nationwide housing bubble just like the previous guys did. Of course in a few years that energy and enthusiasm will turn into contempt as we realize you don't know what you're doing either. But, because you are buying at the bottom, you'll be able to sell it to someone else at top dollar IF you realize your limits before the market turns again. The circle of life continues. And that ladies and gentlemen is how you too can become a vulture investor. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] condo projects on hold across the country
http://tinyurl.com/l5tln From coast to coast, developers are nixing or delaying condominium projects as home sales decelerate, construction costs soar and lenders start to balk at financing units that might not sell. What's making it worse is the glut of high-priced condos and too few people who can afford them. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] MTV's 25th Birthday
Today is MTV's 25th birthday. Their first video was Video killed the radio star by the Buggles. In a moment of boredom today, I decided to tweak the lyrics to reflect Asbury Park's musical heritage. Enjoy! --- Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park I saw you on the Carousel in Seventy Two Lying awake intent at tuning in on you. If I was young it didn't stop you coming through. Oh-a oh He took the credit for your second symphony. Rewritten by Cookman Av and housing bubbly, and now I understand the problems you can see. Oh-a oh Can't bring my children Oh-a oh What do I tell them? Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. Condos came and broke your heart. Oh-a-a-a oh And now we meet in an abandoned waterfront studio. We hear the sales pitch and it seems so long ago. And you remember the revenue projections used to go. Oh-a oh You were the first one. Oh-a oh You were the last one. Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. In my mind and in my car, we can't rewind we've gone too far Oh-a-aho oh, Oh-a-aho oh Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. In my mind and in my car, we can't rewind we've gone too far. Condos came and broke your heart, put the blame on greedy heart. You are the Jersey Shore. You are the Jersey Shore. Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. Fishman killed fun in Asbury Park. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Extraordinary Aid
New Jersey's Higher Education funding was cut $250 million this month. Rutgers alone was forced to cut 800 courses, 600 staff 150 faculty members. When the rest of us are told to toughen it out, it's nice to see a part of the State budget that's actually growing, and the town that SHOULD have tourist dollars propping up the economy doesn't have to make any tough decisions. Enjoy your tax cut. I've got to go make my house look like a dump before the guy doing the tax reassessment comes by to force me out of New Jersey. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see AP got $750K from the state this year. We got $500K in prior years and the city manager made it appear that we might not get that amount again. I wonder now that we got more if some of the tax increases will be rolled back or will they just spend the extra money? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: German Smartz
Gee, I wish Keady or Ms. Keady was still active on this board. Wal-Mart became the largest company in America by hiring the otherwise unemployable to sell mass-manufactured crap from China. Of COURSE it didn't work in Germany. It won't work anywhere that people have a societal obligation to their neighbor. Wal-Mart began in Arkansas mushroomed into every community that doesn't give two [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ about its fellow man. To employ a worker in Germany, a company has to basically guarantee that worker a meaningful job for life, a pension, and medical care. It comes out to roughly $40.00 per worker per hour. What's the last innovation that has come out of Europe? Volvo? Nestles? Shopping at Wal-Mart is basically a zero-sum game. You get a low price, but in return some poor guy in Malaysia is working for 30 cents an hour, and some 70 year old is working for $5.50 to greet you as you come in the store. Enjoy your visit, you pig. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, MarioAPNJ@ wrote: Looks like the Germans know how to resist at least some market forces: Interesting. Wal-Mart couldn't compete on price. The price king food chain in Germany is Aldi. I noticed one of their stores on Rte 35 S near 33. I think I saw another one in Edison. Earlier this year I attended a seminar with a well-known economist who showed statistics that Wal-Mart, through is buying in China was responsible for 2% of our trade deficit. That's amazing that one company could account for such a percentage. I hear the schnitzel is great at Aldi. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Land Use is the Issue
Lighty, I respectfully disagree. Last year I brought my 3 kids to the arcade on Asbury's boardwalk a dozen or so times, because I thought it was a fun, safe place to play. Now, when they want to go to the Arcade, I'll take them to the Freehold Mall, where they can run around and be kids, and I don't have to witness the same BS I saw on the Asbury boardwalk, where kids hustle other kids for money. The last time I was at the Asbury beach was during the Guitarbeque weekend. The repeated incidents my kids had to walk through from Second Ave beach to Bradley Park I hope no family has to go through again. From the dope dealers, to the whores, to the general dirtbag hustler throwing the F bomb like its going out of style. As much as I thought Asbury Park would be for family entertainment, I hate to say it, but I will never again bring my kids to Asbury Park. The city can have its baby parade. Hell, Fishman can bring Elmo into Convention Hall. My kids will be forbidden to go there. The city made their choice. They do not want family entertainment. As a person looking for family entertainmnet, I respect the city's wishes, and will never again subject my kids to the harassment they had to go through. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand what you¹re saying. What I mean is that there were people who would have swore five years ago that nobody would ever choose to go to Asbury¹s beach yet the crowds are starting to come back. If the boardwalk and town was rebuilt as a family friendly tourist area again, I¹d imagine the crowds would start to come back as well. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve vs. Stand Up for Asbury
Can someone BRIEFLY summarize the points in this thread? I tuned out when MadameMarieSteve read my fortune based on who I voted for in an election 20 months ago. He wrote a lot of words, surely all of them couldn't have been as worthless and hate-filled? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, steveguyrx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rather than attempt to deal, understand or engage him in his endless list of societal ills; you would all do well to ignore the ranting of this very ill person. Thanks for the advice, Skip. A done deal. I'm out of that loop. I agree. Asbury Steve is a certified nut. I am liberal and a Democrat. But the way he goes on and on with his preaching and insults almost makes me want to take the opposite position. Another Steve - Monroe Ave. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: AsburySteve vs. Stand Up for Asbury In reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Rather than attempt to deal, understand or engage him in his endless list of societal ills; you would all do well to ignore the ranting of this very ill person. Thanks for the advice, Skip. A done deal. I'm out of that loop. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Parking Space's
Let's see. On a certain property on the waterfront where 138 units are to be built, the original valuation came in at $175,000, or $1,268 per unit. Figure a housing unit is the size of approximately 20 cars, you're looking at $63.40 for the space. Of course, that's based on prime oceanfront real-estate. 6 blocks away, you have to chop off at least 75% of that value. So, based on Redevelopment Math, we're talking $15.85. Besides, no one wants to park there anyway, and it will bring badly needed ratables. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a idea on what a parking space is worth in a City like Asbury Park?In the downtown area.There has to rough price? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ARM wrestling
LOL...thanks for the humor in the middle of some serious discussion. $3 TRILLION in ARMS are due to be reset in the next 18 months, and suddenly people are conveniently forgetting the original terms of their loans are now demanding that the mortgage companies make their investments affordable? Don't worry: Those houses WILL be affordable...the people bright enough not to overleverage themselves in variable rate debt will be getting some nice deals in the sheriff sales. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, theshortsalepro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you had a problem with an upward adjusting ARM reset? I'd like to hear from you. Please email me in confidence ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I'm preparing a formal complaint/report for those who siged up for low teaser rates...and now are sweating it out. I'm working to petition major lenders to help ease sticker shock and help keep homeownership affordable. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: On liverpool -
Bayonne, Elizabeth, and New York. The luggage tags for the train lines serving the Jersey Shore were marked BENY. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know why I am spelling it benys? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Nashville band gets Asbury Park...
Allen's post about the carousel reminded me of this video: http://music.yahoo.com/video/default.asp?vid=2171595 I've recently become a fan of country music. A Nashville band called Rascal Flatts shot a video for their song Feels Like Today in Asbury Park last year. Notice the touches this band added to the decrepit landscape: namely a carousel a guy walking around taking pictures. It's amazing how little Duh Partners care about Asbury's legacy. The fifth summer season they've had control of the boardwalk, and all we get is an arcade a few beer joints. And yet, they plan to sell condos to a year round community. Do they honestly believe people will drop a half million dollars so they can go get tuned up at Deep Blue Atomic Cadillac Ranch? Yeah, that's a great place to take the grandkids! Oak: what would it take to get a permit from Duh Partners to sell photos of lovers as they stroll the boardwalk? I think we may have found our next million! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: CNN Money - New home sales stay strong
The way I understand the PILOT agreement, the tax assessment changes with every resale. For example, if an original owner buys at $400k and sells 3 years later for $500k, the new assessment is based on the $500k figure. This works in reverse as well, and in a declining condo market, you could have residents who are locked in at an assessed value of $300k or $350k. When the agreement was put into place, I brought up the hypothetical of a husband selling to a wife for a below-market rate. I'm sure there will be a few of these going on as well. Since the city's costs will be fixed, the revenue from the waterfront will decline in a declining Condo market, and every asset has been sold, the only way to bridge a budget gap is to increase the taxes on the non-abated property in town. Just more to my original point: To get prices similar to Spring Lake will take much more than buying property waiting. Prices in Bradley Beach are closer to Asbury's than Spring Lake, while Deal's are much higher. Could this be related to the tax rates the true costs of ownership in these towns? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume you are saying that when the abatement burns off the prices of the condos will decline? It is important that the sales price is used as the basis of taxes. A condo selling for $500 K will be assessed at $500K. Not so with a non-abated home. However, all of that may go out the window with an expected revaluation. The taxes in AP are relatively high for the qulaity of life. However, one could get in here at one time for a good price. Not so with Spring Lake. Buying righthere the upside was much greater than neighboring towns. That's why I bought. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: CNN Money - New home sales stay strong
Asbury Park tax rate (equalized): 1.674% Spring Lake tax rate (equalized): 0.607% Don't forget that it costs nearly 3X more for the privilege of owning that same Victorian in Asbury Park. Now consider the fact that the waterfront abatement is tied to actual sales prices in the secondary market. In a down real estate market it's a pretty good bet you'll be paying a HIGHER tax rate in 10 years as you bear the municipal burden for the buyers who get the condos at fire-sale prices along the way. You might want to start thinking of your house as more of a work of art than an investment. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say it all comes to fruition in 10 years, what will a 4,500 renovated victorian bring 5 blocks to beach? What would that cost in Spring Lake now? I hope my health holds up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: CNN Money - New home sales stay strong
Sure, they're buying them...but what happens once they own them http://www.dailynews.com/business/ci_3853808 State's foreclosure activity is rising Higher payments on risky adjustable-rate loans cited as factor BY GREGORY J. WILCOX, Staff Writer Foreclosure activity in California and other Western housing markets is on the increase in part because high-risk adjustable-rate loans are beginning to reset to fully amortized payment schedules, a property tracker said Monday. During the year's first three months, all types of foreclosure activity in California jumped an annual 33.6 percent, to 28,550 incidents, said Sacramento-based Foreclosures.com. Notices of defaults, one of three indicators tracked and the first step in the foreclosure process, increased 36.5 percent, to 20,515 incidents. And the number of real estate-owned properties, the final step in the process and notification that there is a new owner, increased 27 percent, to 1,41l. I think it's all the washing of the market, said company President Alexis McGee. And activity was expected to pick up since levels sank to record lows as the market peaked. Now home sales are softening, appreciation is not as robust as a year ago, interest rates are rising and inventory is building. McGee also said the creative adjustable loans that helped buyers jump into high-priced markets such as Southern California will continue to impact foreclosure activity as the market continues its shake-out. I don't see those low numbers coming back, she said. Analysts have noted that of the six Southern California counties, San Diego is the furthest along in the cycle. McGee said that in recent years more than half of home purchases were financed with interest-only adjustable loans or option adjustables with very low teaser rates. A recent study by Christopher L. Cagan, director of research and analytics at First American Real Estate Solutions in Santa Ana, found that most of the trouble should come from teaser-rate loans that will reset in 2007 and 2008. The people who bought in '03 or '04 tend to have equity so they can usually work something out. Next year and the year after next is when things will get sticky, Cagan said. Someone who paid about $500,000 for a home in the San Fernando Valley last year and got a teaser rate of 1 percent would have initially paid $1,608 a month. If that loan resets next year at 6.5 percent, the payment soars 96.5 percent, to $3,160. Buyers with hybrid loans are not at as much risk. If prices are going up 20 percent a year everyone is a genius and mistakes are forgiven. The problem is when prices level off, Cagan said. Homeowners who bought near the peak face the most risk and the economic fallout will be limited. It will not break the economy, Cagan said. The Foreclosures.com analysis also showed that: Nevada foreclosure activity has more than doubled this year to 4,544 incidents versus the 2005 final quarter. The problem there is speculation, with 25 percent of new home sales going to out-of-state investors. Colorado has a 50 percent increase in new foreclosures in this year's first three months compared with the final three months of last year. And they are up an annual 96 percent. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (818) 713-3743 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Thanks Joe...
Thanks for everything you've done for the city as well as your dry sense of humor the passion you put into everything you did. You will be sorely missed. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Kindred Spirits
BB... Are you kidding me??? I guest hosted for Maureen that Thursday night. There were about three or four hundred residents giving their piece of mind towards CAFRA. There was one lawyer from Baltimore, and one Architect who said something to the effect of Throw the National Historic Designation into the Sea. If I recall, I asked Maureen about the lack of the Save Tillie presence. As my favorite scene in my favorite movie goes: Who's being naive here, Kay?. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand what your saying there Dan the Man. The outsiders I was refering to is not anyone around here today. I'll tell you who I did mean: The day of the Cafra Hearing in the Paramount (years ago now) there was a public comment portion. As soon as it was announced, there was a rush of people who formed a long line at the microphone. It seemed curious to me that I didn't recognize anyone. The first 10 or so people to speak as I recall announced themselves as being with this or that Preservation Group from Washington DC or Trenton. They all spoke about how CAFRA should ditch the whole plan because Tillie and other such stupid buildings weren't being saved, and talked about history and character, blah balh blah. Some of them even had the nerve to speak on behalf of the People of Asbury Park while they were holding maps to show them how to get here. Really galling was that after lining up to speak first, they all left. Not one of them stayed to hear what anyone from Asbury Park had to say. I was livid. Here there were real stakeholders (residents and businesses) in the audience who wanted their City moving forward for the first time in 30 years, and a bunch of outsiders with maps show up to try and stop it in the name of their poreservation hobbie. Those are the folks I was refering to. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: Seems it isn't just in Asbury Park that the hometown folks want to knock down the old buildings and the outsiders want to save them. Hat tip to home rule and modernization. http://tinyurl.com/n73nq Don't see where it said in the story that the preservation group were outsiders as you put it. Tom, you really have a thing about them and us. Where all God's chillin. Difference Wanamker building deemed unsafe after a fire. Casino, CH, Power Plant not. That label is reserved for own Fire House. Not after a fire, not abandoned but in the care of our city government. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bruce on Eyewitness News
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just saw Bruce on the Boardwalk on Eyewitness News Ch 7 in advance of his appearance on Good Morning America. I ask the question why doesn;t Bruce do more for AP? I don't intend that to mean that to cast light on what he doesn't do, but WHY he obviously doesn;t do more? are you [EMAIL PROTECTED]@#$ kidding me??? are you really [EMAIL PROTECTED]@$@ #kidding me??? It's like the old punchline goes... I sent you 3 boats and a helicopter, what more can I do HE built the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@#$ tourist trade. HE continued the tourist trade He could sell out this city every night. Listen to his music I wish an Angel would come down... And blow this whole [EMAIL PROTECTED]@#$ city away... blow it all away blow it all away blow it all away... Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bruce on Eyewitness News
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He wrote the Chamber of Commerce a $50,000.00 check (which was squandered). I'm curious, BB. How much did the Chamber receive from the 2000 Christmas Shows, and how was it squandered? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bruce on Eyewitness News
I guess the question to the group is: Is endowing a full scholarship to Brookdale for an Asbury Park Resident truly squandering money given What do you have against education BB? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: He wrote the Chamber of Commerce a $50,000.00 check (which was squandered). I'm curious, BB. How much did the Chamber receive from the 2000 Christmas Shows, and how was it squandered? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bruce on Eyewitness News
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know what Bruce doesn't do? Stick his nose into local politics. I don't know if you were around yet when Bruce wrote a letter to the triCityNews (yup - he's a reader). Weren't we all before 3CN became press releases hack journalism? It was when Metro Homes had named their building the Rising. TriCity's Dan Jacobson was the first to object with an article saying that we love Bruce but the beach has to be about more than him. Didn't he want to name C8 after Harvey Milk Malcolm X? Let's be honest here BB... The next week Bruce himself wrote in and agreed. He said first of all the Rising was written for 9/11 and he didn't think it should be shared with a Condo. He also said he hopes the City would not name anything after him, unless it was somehting simple like a hot dog stand. Freehold ran a contest to name a Fire Engine, and came up with Born to Run. Apparently Bruce had no problem funding that That is when Metro ran the $10,000 bond contest for the City student who came up with the best name, and Esperanza won. HOPE. Imagine that. He does so much for AP and he doesn't even want any recognition for it. Bruuce! He's the man. Where were you tonight? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Just saw Bruce on the Boardwalk on Eyewitness News Ch 7 in advance of his appearance on Good Morning America. I ask the question why doesn;t Bruce do more for AP? I don't intend that to mean that to cast light on what he doesn't do, but WHY he obviously doesn;t do more? You could not ask for a better attention grabber. Other places would kill for it. WHY hasn't this City and master developer been able to capitalize more on his apparent love for AP? Is the answer to my first question because of what the city has agreed to do - destroy in part the AP Bruce remembers and loves? Is it because he has no love for Asbury Partners (who could)? How does Bruce feel about trading remanmts of the Circuit for a condo village? AP only makes the news for two reasons - 1) negative news explotive the fears of the white suburbs and 2) its music heritage, typically associated with Bruce. How could a redevelopment plan totally ignore this City's already-established foundation for fame? Absolutely insane. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] squandered
Sorry, but this needs to be repeated... BB feels $50,000 was squandered by the Chamber... How many scholarships did the Merchants Guild endow 4 years ago??? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess the question to the group is: Is endowing a full scholarship to Brookdale for an Asbury Park Resident truly squandering money given What do you have against education BB? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 jerseyjohn99@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 bluebishop82@ wrote: He wrote the Chamber of Commerce a $50,000.00 check (which was squandered). I'm curious, BB. How much did the Chamber receive from the 2000 Christmas Shows, and how was it squandered? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Full story on REI's alleged Ponzi scheme
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can but a lot of AP property with $8 million. You sure can. The Right to redevelop 56 Acres of Oceanfront property, a world renowned music club, and still have $65,000 left over to shove into a suit pocket in an attic. I'm surprised the APP called this a Ponzi Scheme and not the flashier, more modern title Hedge Fund Either way, they picked an awfully bad time to be flooding the market with another $8 mm in property. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Final Agreement
Just when you thought there was nothing left to sell! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The City also gave up its right of default on these issues; it has to go through the arbitration process. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bills and cars....
Yeah. The city got screwed over on the Oceanfront because he drove a Jeep. That's it. Why stop at a Cadillac? Give him a Hummer. Give him a city-paid entourage too, who can roll out a carpet for him so his royal feet don't have to touch the ground. Just don't cry poverty claim you need County/State/Federal help balancing the budget. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, the guy is the main business face of Asbury Park. He shows up to a meeting in a jalopy, someone will figure they have him right where they want him from the start. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bills and cars....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ithink the equipment manager drives a Caddy. Isn't the county looking at eliminating things such as cars for officials? AP isn't that big. He's got a tough job, and a decent salary along with the fringes. The fire dept probably could use some new equipment. See they hired a structural engineer for $17k. Back to the school budget. Another thing Asbury residents don't have to vote on. How about the city pays him enough for him to drive any freaking car he feels is in his budget??? What car is the Mayor of Howell provided? What car is the Mayor of Ocean provided Why is the city of Asbury Park in the Auto business anyway F him his city provided car. If he wants to know the people of Asbury he should walk home from City Hall every day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Bills and cars....
Can someone name one other official in Monmouth County who is allowed to take his publicly paid car home each night??? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote: Ithink the equipment manager drives a Caddy. Isn't the county looking at eliminating things such as cars for officials? AP isn't that big. He's got a tough job, and a decent salary along with the fringes. The fire dept probably could use some new equipment. See they hired a structural engineer for $17k. Back to the school budget. Another thing Asbury residents don't have to vote on. How about the city pays him enough for him to drive any freaking car he feels is in his budget??? What car is the Mayor of Howell provided? What car is the Mayor of Ocean provided Why is the city of Asbury Park in the Auto business anyway F him his city provided car. If he wants to know the people of Asbury he should walk home from City Hall every day. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: tax abatements
Here's an old post where I did the math as Oak likes to say: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/6542 I could update the numbers, but isn't that kinda like trying to teach a pig to sing? It's obvious no one cares about permanently eliminating deficit spending, giving city taxpayers a break, or making the Asbury Park school system self-sufficient. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty lighty@ wrote: I can understand Long Branch residents being upset at the abatements (not to mention the obvious emminent domain issues), but at least Long Branch realized that you could only bargain so much. Within 2-3 years, they're already making more than they were before the development and within the abatement is gone after year 5. That's really not that bad. If you believe the AP's analysis (which I am not saying is not correct) the City is not losing anything. It is the County (which only gets 5%) and the schools (0) that lose out. Now it may seem that AP was smarter because it is not losing the tax revenue, however, these abatements last 10 years (they have a life of 16 years from approval so to get the full 10 years the units have to be built by the 6th year). If Abbott funding lasts that long maybe no problem, but if it doesn't there could be trouble. I assume the people buying those units will not be burdening the school system during the abatement period if they listen to Fishman and keep their kids home. If they did but were not paying then I would have a problem since I am paying and not using. The abatements only go to fatten the wallet of Partners. What's the common denominator in these two cities? Jim Aaron. Should not only be fired, but censured and sued for malpractice. It is unbelievable that he is still advising the Council. They deserve each other. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Springwood - I need your help
It sounds like a good idea, and in a perfect world it makes a lot of sense. But lets be realistic here. This city has not been able to get its house in order, and this Council has consistently used City owned property to rearrange the deck chairs on the economic Titanic. Nothing they have done in 5 years has shown they have the ability to successfully redevelop anything. Why don't they start small see if they have the wherewithal to put an actual plan together to make Springwood a viable destination where there is none, rather than giving them more prime property to shove Condos on? Maybe this is the perfect opportunity to get some volunteers from New Brunswick's DevCo to offer opinions, since they seem to have a knack for putting unwanted property back onto the taxrolls getting it to thrive. Property will always become available. Heck, once all the year-round families are forced out the city can choose any one of the grammar schools to put the new muni complex on. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this was just brought up in a previous post and I wanted to gauge your opinions anyway, please let me know your thoughts. In the Springwood Avenue Advisory Committee we are obviously considering many options. Let me be clear that right now there is mixed use of everything being considered: Stores, housing, rec, etc. One idea in the mix is to build a new state of the art municipal complex on Springwood to house City Hall, Police Department and Fire Department. The experience Cookman has shown is that it is still very difficult to bring people to AP to shop because of the the safety factor (even though it is safe as anywhere else. I had 2 calls this week from Monmouth people as to whether it was safe to come to my office). If we are still trying to convince them that Downtown is safe, we are light years from convincing them shopping on Springwood is safe. It seems to me that putting the Municipal complex on Springwood would not only make it feel safer due to the police being there, but it will create automatic foot traffic of hundreds of people a day down there between workers and people doing business with the City. It can be an instant anchor for whatever stores we can build there near it. It will also open up 3 blocks of prime main street that the City is on now to be developed (stores, parking garage, walkway to downtown, etc). What are your thoughts in this regard? Thanks Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: $10million
The difference being there is nothing left to sell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The City still doesn't have any money and it won't until 6, 7 hundred new units are built, remember they will always have that 5 million dollars budget crunch until then. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2nd Ave Property - Eminent Domain
This story, if true, makes my stomach churn. Where is the constitutional principle of just compensation that the pro-ED people seem to focus on? These people are being bankrupted by the redeveloper. This story needs bigger national attention. At the very least, the mortgage company, or even the Mortgage Bankers Association, should be made aware that their investment in Asbury Park is being threatened. Imagine the loss to all residents and to the new units if major banks refuse to lend in Asbury because of the predatory practices of the developer. Although, that would be an interesting battle to have a major corporation with deep pockets fighting this. Does anyone have any markers to call in at 60 Minutes? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this column about an Asbury family on an eminant domain website. Does anyone know the Orlando family and know if these numbers are correct? The guy who wrote the column is a land use lawyer who represents condemnees. Here is his column: Eminent Domain in Asbury Park: An offer you can refuse The dictionary defines goniff as a Yiddish word for a ¡§thief.¡¨ Having received an offer for their property from Asbury Partners LLC, the designated developer for the Asbury Park beachfront, Thomas and Donna Orlando now know the meaning of that term. The Orlandos purchased a fully renovated three-family house located two blocks from the beach for $575,000 in September 2004. In December 2005, the Orlandos received the offer and appraisal from Asbury Partners in the amount of $330,000, premised on the appraisal of Donald Moliver. This offer is significantly less than the first mortgage on the property. Under normal circumstances, we would expect Mr. Moliver and Asbury Partners would consider the sale of the subject property and the fact that the beachfront real estate has increased since 2004, not only in Asbury Park but in New Jersey in general. Therefore, a reasonable starting point would be at least ten percent over the purchase price or approximately $630,000. Under normal circumstances, a homeowner would not need a lawyer in an eminent domain action of this sort, because a recent arms- length sale of the subject property is the best evidence of value. But this transaction, like others we¡¦ve seen in Long Branch and Asbury Park, is driven by greed. The developers are dictating the terms, and their objective is to buy the property as cheaply as possible. The municipality is complicit in this arrangement as they will institute eminent domain proceedings to acquire the owner¡¦s site, absent an agreement with the owner. This scenario, while outrageous, is by no means unusual where the unholy alliance is at work., i.e. developers and compliant politicians. The settled rule in New Jersey and other states is that any increase or decrease of the market value of the property acquired or caused by the project of the condemning authority should be factored out of the market value determination. See the following cases: X Jersey City Redevlopment Agency v. Kugler, 58 N.J. 374, 379 (1971); X Housing Authority, Atlantic City v. Atlantic City Expo., 62 N.J. 322 (1973) X Jersey City Redevlopment Agency v. Mack Properties Co. No. 3, 280 N.J. Super. 553, 568-69 (App. Div. 1995); X State, Dept. of Environmental Protection v. S. Nalbone Trucking Co., Inc., 128 N.J. Super. 370, 377 (App. Div. 1974); X United States v. Miller, 317 U.S. 369, 375, 87 L.Ed. 251, 63 S. Ct. 276 (1943). The Moliver appraisal perverts this rule by claiming that all market increases are attributable to projects of the City of Asbury Park and Asbury Partners LLC. This position is unsupported by the reality of prior abortive redevelopment efforts undertaken by Asbury Park. The entire beachfront has been blighted since January 1984. The initial redevelopment efforts by Carabetta and Vaccaro were stopped as a result of Carabetta¡¦s bankruptcy in 1992. Asbury Partners LLC, using money from M.D. Sass Company, purchased Carabetta¡¦s rights in the bankruptcy proceeding and paid the City of Asbury Park $6.5M for tax liens on the properties. These funds were desperately needed by the City of Asbury Park to stave off its own pending insolvency. For these payments Asbury Partners took over Carabetta¡¦s project and developed a new plan. Carabetta, it should be noted, never completed anything. He left a rusting structural steel monument at Ocean Avenue and Second Street for the last fifteen years. Asbury Partners LLC also have not completed anything, although they have grandiose plans. Where then is the enhancement to the real estate market which they claim in Moliver¡¦s appraisal to be attributed to their project? It¡¦s not there. Rather, value in the market in Monmouth County in general and in beachfront
[AsburyPark] Re: Maynard Drops Out of School Board Race
See...that's how a news story should be written. No opinion, no namecalling, just fact based reporting. Joe for Coastal Bureau Chief --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maynard Drops Out of School Board Race Asbury Park (03-06-2006) - A source in the Board of Education administrative offices has reported that Susan Maynard faxed a letter to the office late this afternoon requesting that her nominating petition for this April's School Board election be withdrawn. Maynard, a current school board member was one of seven candidates - including current School Board President Robert DiSanto - who were running for three full three-year terms on the nine member school board. Maynard had filed her nominating petition last Monday less than five minutes before the deadline. Last year Maynard's husband James Maynard, along with Mamie Moore, filed and won a law suit against the school board striking down one provision of the board policy on public participation at school board meetings. The lawsuit was the culmination of James Maynards' years-long attempt to get someone to listen to his claims that DiSanto was unfit to be the school board president after being appointed President two years ago when the board could not reach its own decision on who would be elected president. Later DiSanto was elected president by a near-unanimous vote of his fellow board members. Susan Maynard has often been involved in shouting matches with members of the public particularly when the issue at hand is DiSanto or gay or lesbian issues. At one meeting Maynard stormed out of a board meeting when she became too upset with comments from a member of the public. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Jerry... happy -- Cost is the issue
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Truth and consequences; Asbury residents, the financial stepchild of the jersey shore, are overtaxed and underserved; it is painfully clear that the west side has had, and continues to get, the short end of the stick of expenditures, services and improvements. I almost spit my coffee out on the keyboard laughing so hard at that comment. overtaxed compared to whom What percentage of new UNABATED housing has been ADDED to the tax rolls in the last 5 years? 5 years ago, only 30% of the housing was owner/occupied. Have current estimates indicated that number has increased significantly? What's the tax burden on residents living in the non owner/occupied housing? underserved compared to whom I wish my school district was spending the equivalent of Rumson Country Day School's tuition per child each year. Throw that onto this $400,000 grant from the state and the $80,000 traffic study from last week, and I'd be living in a fricking Utopia. Just because there's a big vacuum that mysteriously sucks money out of Asbury Park faster than it comes in doesn't mean the city is being neglected by the county/state/nation/planet. -- As an aside, my kids love the spray park in Holmdel, and that thing EASILY cost $800,000 to build. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Question for the legal minds...
From the APP article today: http://app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20060304/NEWS01/603040387/1004 Rita Marano, a council gadfly I don't have a dog in this fight, but to me this was a cheap shot for a reputable newspaper. Does it meet the legal definition of libel? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Question for the legal minds...
Maybe she's happy, but I'd prefer my media to leave personal opinions biases out of the news. Should we expect to see citizens labeled in future editions of the APP? Maybe Nancy can publish the enemies list and everyone can see what the council's opinion is of them. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a council gadfly Leave it alone, its better than critic and because Tommy started it, she happy Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Brunswick
I was screaming about New Brunswick DevCo 3 years ago. New Brunswick's Redevelopment Worked. Camden's Redevelopment Failed. Both have Multinational Corporations based in the city (JNJ CPB). Both have Major Universities. (Rutgers) Both have Major Medical Centers (UMDNJ Cooper) One has a DevCo. One entrusted the city government to handle redevelopment. The parallels between New Brunswick Asbury Park are not that far off. New Brunswick was DEAD in the late 80s/early 90s. Rutgers was a suitcase school, emptying out on weekends. Of the 30-odd thousand students, 80% of them lived within 20 miles of campus. The only thing open on George Street was pawn shops bars. Driving down George Street during the day, you were solicited for crack. At night, you were solicited for sex in between gunshots. Today you can walk from College Avenue to Douglass Campus and pass young affluent professionals transplanted from Hoboken and a booming retail community built up to service them. These aren't college kids. These aren't JNJ employees. The college kids can't afford the restaurants shops, and the JNJ employees have on-site restaurants amenity services. The parking decks aren't filled with college kids, who can park anywhere they want on campus on weekends. They aren't filled with JNJ employees who have an underground deck between George Albany and free use of the Hyatt deck. The decks are filled with people who drop a few hundred dollars on a weekend night and go home, not burdening New Brunswick's schools, utilities, or social services. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Devco.org - the site itself should win an award. A model to learn from. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Lynch
Yes, but there were MANY conflicting interests, and they were able to hammer out a beautiful redevelopment, housing density, commercial activity, and a brand spanking new Route 18 to bring day-trippers there. It may have been coincidental that the redevelopment worked, but I personally think DevCo inspired an honor among thieves mentality. Of course, 15 years from now Terry Weldon may be hailed as a visionary genius as well. I guess the winners will get to write the history of Asbury Park too. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Easy Skip. Check out the landholdings of Mr. Lynch and his predecessor Mayor Mulligan. It may be tough because Lynch used agents registered in Penn. for some of his land aquisitions. JJ held the city and state up for the new highway extension as part of its deal to keep its headquarters there. These were NOT men in white hats. Maureen Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: From APP
I'm a little confused. Was the firehouse evacuated before the Belmont burned, or after? I missed the fire, but I was driving down Route 9 in Lakewood yesterday late afternoon and I could have SWORN I heard the sounds of a fiddle. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posted by the Asbury Park Press on 02/27/06 BY NANCY SHIELDS STAFF WRITER ASBURY PARK Fire officials evacuated their more than a century- old three-story firehouse today after the state Public Employees Occupational Safety Health came in to investigate a sagging second floor. The city had been evaluating a 3-inch dip in the floor in the bunk room and reached out Monday for Michael Jahn, the city construction official. An employee had complained to PEOSH, which brought that agency to the firehouse. Fire Director John Murphy said the Fort Monmouth Fire Department was helping to shore up the floor but predicted the firefighters - a full-time paid work force - will be out of the building for at least a week because of the eminent hazard. The decision to evacuate was made at 12:30 p.m., he said. A structural engineer was being brought in to evaluate the entire building. The firehouse switchboard will remain operational between 3 and 4 p.m. today and then the county emergency switchboard will take over, Murphy said. The city's public works yard on Main street could become the temporary home of the firefighters, who also run the city's emergency response system. City Manager Terence Reidy said Monday that some of the beams under the second floor are sagging and are being shored up. City officials have said for nearly a decade that the department needs a new firehouse because of the condition of the old one. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Hand's Off Rita
five bucks a pack for cigarettes? OH THE SHAME!!! Every other place in Asbury sells them for 8 bucks a pack. (That's 40 cents per single in case you're wondering.) I gotta remember to get to the deli to buy smokes to sell at the Pony. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, apoojo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: selling single cig. for 25cents Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
Mr. Lamle, however, suggested that some of the criticism comes from those who sought to pay bargain-basement prices for development on prime real estate. Was he looking in the mirror when he made this statement? Flashback, June 2001: http://tinyurl.com/dlyhb I wouldn't be surprised if Lamle Sass were looking at exit strategies right now. They have gone through a complete business cycle with all of the easy money (subdevelopers) made and no revenue generated from the Oceanfront for the foreseeable future. With an inverted yield curve, defaults surging, and personal spending exceeding income, happy days will be here again soon enough for the vultures. They are going to have plenty more opportunities to make fast bucks in other distressed property, especially when they put the Miracle of Asbury Park fable on their resume. Having the Oceanfront liability off their back frees them up to screw up some other town. I'll say by April Fool's Day they announce they're out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: NYT article
Any facade of a lack of marketing skills is just that. How can someone who appears so incompetent be so successful? Sass/Lamle are NOT knights in shining armor. They are vulture investors. They've built billion dollar fortunes by finding a dollars worth of assets selling for 10 cents, then selling that asset for 40 cents as fast as possible. 4 times your money in 5 years isn't bad for anyone. Using conservative leverage that's 20 times your money in 5 years. Knowing what the Waterfront is worth and wanting what the Waterfront is worth are two different arguments. In an unfavorable business climate with only another 2X upside in the next 20 years, some risks aren't worth taking. They'll cash out go look for another Asbury Park circa 2001. I hope council recognizes the vultures position, and milks them for everything before they go. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MDSASS knows what the Waterfront is worth they will find investors and things will work out. Do you really think they will go without a fight? In the end they will give the city what they want but the city needs to stay on top of them every inch of the way. Furthermore they need some major help with thier Marketing skills. I hope the city demands that or someting close to it. They thought they needed mass density to make it work, they were wrong and need a new plan.You know what they probally already have it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: mortgage /or tax foreclosed property
BB, I'm confused. Let's say a farmer in Marlboro wants to monetize his apple orchard to cover his estate taxes for his children. How does selling it to a developer to build 5,000 sq ft McMansions benefit a younger family trying to buy their first home? One of my childhood friends is a farmer's daughter down in Vineland. He's forced to sell his 140 acre homestead to developers building an age-restricted community. I told him about the Monmouth County Open Space program. He would love to keep it open space, even at a discount, but Cumberland County has no such program and he doesn't want a distress sale of the farm after he's gone. I'd love to see an end to towns selling their COAH credits, and remove age-restricted developments from qualifying for those credits. That would do more to providing affordable housing than limiting the Open Spaces program. Good luck in your pursuit! It would be nice to have another honest guy in county government. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been juxtaposing the issue of affordable homes, particularly for young families, against the issue of open space legislation. Right now open space initiatives have no natural predator. If one is on the ballot, everybody, Dems, Rupubs, Greens, etc. are all for it. Colts Neck just perserved 800 acres. Howell 250 with 1000 more coming. Marlboro, etc. also. The County is currently trying to preserve 20,000 acres! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Just curious
Gotta disagree with you there dfs. Italians are portrayed as criminals and terrorists far more than blacks, Latinos, or Arabs combined. Zogby did a survey a few years ago, asking teens how they perceived ethnicity in movies/television. http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=348 When asked to identify the role a person of a particular ethnic or racial background would be most likely to play in a movie or on television, teen agers cited familiar stereotypes: Italian Americans - 44% Crime bosses/Gang members; 34% restaurant workers Arab Americans - 49% Vendors/Convenience store clerks; 34% Terrorists African Americans - 32% Athletes; 31% Gang members; 11% Police officers Hispanic Americans - 27% Gang members; 17% Factory workers Irish Americans - 26% Drunkards; 15% Police officers; 11% Factory workers Jewish Americans - 22% Doctors/Lawyers; 10% Teachers Asian Americans and Polish Americans - expected to have more varied roles, races least apt to fit one stereotype I watched the cartoon Shark Tale with my kids, and I was more horrified at the Italian stereotypes than any episode of Sopranos. For me, the worst part of Sopranos is how they butcher the beautiful Italian language. Everytime I hear gabba-goo or stu-gatz I think of my illiterate grandmother, not third generation Americans who are trying to maintain a semblance of their heritage. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may be no blackface, but blacks are still predominately portrayed as criminals; the same can be said for Latinos. Arabs are almost certainly portrayed as terrorists, and the mother of all reversals, is that WASPs are portrayed as having something stuck up their asses. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: UK Home Foreclosures Increase - Harbinger for US Market?
Here's a cute little story about how a similiar situation in America might play itself out. (note: the source is suspect, but the argument is valid.) http://www.resourceinvestor.com/pebble.asp?relid=16568 Ben Bernanke is walking into a hornet's nest created by Alan Greenspan's incompetence. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are we next? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: APP Editorial on Vision for AP
Wait a second?!? Should that happen, it would further retard the sale of the condominiums at the three major projects, which have already been slowed by the uncertainty surrounding the reconstruction of the boardwalk buildings. I thought they were all pre-sold with a waiting list around the block and down Mattison full of people ready to pay cash??? The APP must be confused with some other oceanfront development. http://oceanfrontasbury.com/paramount_news_091305.htm Darn. Now what am I going to do with my 5 investment units? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: Without such an agreement, Asbury Partners faces a default on the renovation portion of the plan. Should that happen, it would further retard the sale of the condominiums at the three major projects, which have already been slowed by the uncertainty surrounding the reconstruction of the boardwalk buildings. In a worst-case scenario,it could turn back the clock several years on the beachfront redevelopment. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Developer gives estimates to city
From Kate Mellina's column in the Coaster (August 23, 2001): http://tinyurl.com/dhmcr The hard facts about Convention Hall are these: The city is taking a financial beating on the building, where utilities alone cost $150,000 a year. Like most facilities of its type, it was built to attract out-of-town visitors who would then support neighboring businesses and hotels. It was never intended to be a money maker, and it is now considered too small for many modern conventions and events. With Convention Hall's standard user fee of $10,000 + 20% of sales, it only takes 8 Moscow Circus performances or 3 Bruce shows to hit that overhead. Also keep in mind, the city never had the benefit of alcohol sales in Convention Hall. Fishman does. Beware of a wealthy man crying poverty. Larry Fishman knew it was never intended to be a money maker and knew EXACTLY what he was getting when he put his autograph on the deed. He chose to take the deal. Now he should honor his part of the contract. DEFAULT NOW --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my surprise, he confirmed that Convention Hall never made money. I'd also be careful if someone ever says the Stone Pony never made money because they made an awful lot of it once... Maybe he should just admit that they've never hired the right people to run his entertainment ventures. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: lets put Christ back into Christmas
Skip, the X is actually a Greek letter chi, the first letter in Christos. Xmas is pronounced Christmas. But just go ahead and google some link to Saturnalia Cronos, if it makes you feel smarter. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Skip Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, while we're rewriting history, let's call Christmas Xmas, after all if you turn the X 45 % it's a dead ringer for a cross. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Asbury Park Tourism Board meeting...
also known as the Chamber of Commerce meeting, will be held this Tuesday, October 11, at noon in the Chamber office. For more information or to RSVP, please call 732-775-7676 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Back on topic
In the words of that great poet, Rage Against the Machine: They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, I was attempting to clarify the height issue for you by looking up the relevent parts of the plan on the City website. !!The plan is no longer available from the City's website!! I hope it's a temporary server error, but I don't think so as the rest of the page is still there. I'll have to dig up my paper copy purchased from the City. I have it saved from the website as pdf and I can send it to you if you wish. I noticed that the plan is missing from the website too, along with the redevelopment agreement itself. Perhaps it is a technical issue, but it seems strangely coincidental to me. I just asked yesterday for an official clarification of what the Plan says with regard to development on the C-8 site if the structure is demolished. I pointed out where I thought there were contradictions in the plan (by page numbers). I have not received a response back. I hope my response is not the actual yanking of the Plan from public purview. What a place!. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: One last note on funding
Does anyone else notice since funding for the fine arts have been cut in Public Schools in the mid-90s how embarrassingly small high school bands have gotten? You can also say the cutting of physical education budgets is positively correlated to the level of childhood obesity. Whatever happened to Anima Sana in Corpore Sano? I guess it's been replaced with Save a buck screw the future. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great point. However there seems to be empirical evidence that training a kid in math and science will have a far better impact on the world than training him to urinate on a crucifix and calling it art. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break -- give us all a break
Southwest Airlines, JetBlue, AirTran others have developed a pretty profitable business model without using the government subsidies/government regulation. I don't have an opinion on Amtrak, as the only people I know who use it on a regular basis are politicians lobbyists. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you suggesting that we should halt the subsidy of the airlines? (it's a question, not an assertion.) What about AmTrak? (Again, a question, not an assertion.) ~joe Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Please... give me a break
why do you guys even bother arguing with a guy who posts stuff like this? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Proving Frank, that even back then the people didn't care enough about the Arts to support it on the open market. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
I just love election season! The Homeland Security funds distribution was an issue in June, but it isn't until 6 weeks before an election that Cain Abel become aware that their towns aren't getting any. These guys will sell their souls to get elected as populists. And lawyers, who are always looking for an angle to make a buck, are more than happy to act as middlemen for the politicians' souls. Let's do the math here. The most any town in NJ received is $200,000. Let's call that maximum gain. Asbury Park has received nothing. Right now that's the maximum loss. Wow, if we could only get half the maximum gain, that would be great, right? Well, looky here. Along comes a lawyer willing to give you half of the maximum gain. Well, actually not GIVE. He's going to try his hardest to get you half of the maximum gain. Let me explain. If you give him $100,000, he will try to give you $200,000. Put another way, the maximum gain becomes $100,000 ($200,000 minus the $100,000 you gave him). Your maximum loss is $100,000. (You give him the money and the lawsuit is thrown out of court.) Actually, when you factor in taxes, your maximum loss is closer to $113,000, but let's just keep it simple. Which begs the question: if you are looking to give $100,000 to get $100,000, why do you need a middleman? Please BB, humor me and explain how a $100,000 transfer payment to you will allow you to suck the US Government dry of $88 million. Considering the total amount given to NJ in 2005 is $21.7 million and Monmouth County's share of that is $734,235, you've either found the plans to a printing press or the Master Developer has shown you new ways of getting golden eggs from geese. I wonder what the lost revenue from the Waterfront Tax Abatement scheme has been year to date. I'm guessing it's probably closer to what Cain Able are seeking from the Homeland Security piggy bank than what Asbury Park is expecting to receive from the Homeland Security piggy bank. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank it isn't spending $100K to get $200K. The homeland security element of this money is $23 million. There is funding for other matters at issue totaling $88 million. I'd invest $100K for a return of $88 million any day. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
Okay, fine. $88 mm across the state. Are you saying this lawsuit is so that the 11th District gets the whole $88 mm, and the rest of the state can just pray Al Qaeda doesn't use Newark Airport again as a launching pad? Since Cain Abel feel towns like Manalapan are getting too much, I'm curious what they feel is the 11th District's fair share for protecting the homeland? I really don't feel like doing the calculations for every municipality in NJ, so I'll just focus on the money denied to Asbury Park. The Democrats posing as Republican candidates in the 11th District argue Manalapan doesn't deserve such a large amount. I'd counter that the municipalities in the 11th District are too incompetent to put a Grant Proposal together. The State's HS money was allocated according to specific grant requests made by the municipalities. For example, Manalapan is using their $187,337 to allow FEMA to create and train Community Emergency Response Teams, or CERTS for short. Each CERT member is trained on disaster preparedness, basic disaster medical operations, fire safety, light search and rescue, and other essential topics. In the event of an emergency, CERT members can provide immediate assistance to victims, assist in organizing spontaneous volunteers at a disaster site and provide critical support to first responders. In light of recent news events, I'd argue every town should have a team of CERTs ready to react when disaster strikes. I'll make you a deal. Asbury Park applied for a grant through the state's HS fund. What exactly was it for, and how would it have been used to protect AP citizens from Al Qaeda? You prove to me that Asbury Park's grant request was to address a legitimate HS issue denied, and on the day after Election Day I will gladly cut a check DIRECTLY to the City of Asbury Park equal to my family's cut of the $187,337 given to Manalapan. I don't want to hear about Wall protecting their rich guy airport or NJNG using government subsidies to pay for insurance on their headquarters. I want to know what exactly Asbury Park applied for and was denied. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please recalculate your numbers using a $100,000.00 fee to fight for the redistribution of $88 million around the State. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
Wow, I never knew you to back down from a challenge, but I guess there's a first time for everything. If you change your mind and you do want to inform people of Asbury Park as to how this is relevant to them, then feel free to post it here. Thanks for your interest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
You are talking in vague generalizations. Well, heck. I could make a case that my house is relevant to Homeland Security, and I require $200,000 to protect it. That's about as ridiculous as Al Qaeda storming the shores of Asbury Park in a D-day style landing. There is a process to receive funds from the state's grant. I'm asking you, before you go around with hat in hand, to provide ACTUAL DOCUMENTED PROOF that Asbury Park applied for a legitimate grant and was denied. Or you could just resort to calling me a brick wall. i've been called worse in the past hour. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not backing down from a challange. I'm refusing to argue with a brick wall. If you don't see how Wall Township's airport, Manasquan's reservoir, Neptune's Hospital and Asbury Park's Ocean are relevant to Homeland Seurity (which is more than terrorism)without me telling you, then I conclude I'll be wasting my time in telling you anyway. It's that obvious. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall sights on the wrong tar...
The jobs at Fort Monmouth are being relocated to Aberdeen, Maryland. Maryland is a blue state. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the same vein, has anybody analyzed the military base closings. Seems to me that the closings were mostly in blue states with their resources being consolidated at bases in red states. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Big Announcement at AP City Hall
Simply speechless! I'm glad I didn't take off a half day's work to see the spectacle of a lawyer suing to cut more pork off of a useless bureaucracy that's quickly bleeding the government coffers dry. I'll gladly give back my family's share of the $187,000 given to my town if they agree that I AM NOT a threat to the nation and agree to stop the damn random searches of me, my wife, and my kids. You're right. This is not a partisan event. When the government is handing out money like a degenerate gambler on a bender, it's every persons God-given right to hold their hand out and loot or carry away as much as they possibly can. I'm ashamed BB. How you can call yourself the Conservative Voice of Asbury Park while standing in line with everyone else at the printing press is completely beyond me. Your penance is to read Not Yours to Give by Davy Crockett each night before bed. http://www.house.gov/paul/nytg.htm --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello folks. I'll fill you in on the Big Announcement at City Hall this morning. That press conference was followed up by a similar one in Trenton. You can probably catch it on News 12 New Jersey tonight and in most of the State's papers tomorrow. There was a great deal of press at both conferences. Here is the deal, but I want you to know first this is not a partisan event; I'm hoping it becomes multi-partisan so everyone of every political persuasion and independents will want to involve themselves in it: New Jersey gives out Homeland Security money to the various towns in New Jersey. Obviously they are supposed to spread it out according to need. There is millions of dollars at issue. Asbury Park applied for a mere $200,000.00 of these funds. After all, our entire eastern border is one of America's vulnerable spots (the ocean) and our police force is currently understaffed. We are subject to storms and flooding. As we all know from the past weeks, local government must be prepared to deal with calamities because the Federal government is not the first responder to disasters. We are. Of course you can guess how much Asbury Park was awarded: $0.00. Not even a phone call was made to tell us either. The situation gets worse. The 11th Legislative District is 25 towns from Atlantic Highlands down to Brielle, almost all of them on the Shore. Well, those towns together were awarded $0.00 in Homeland Security Funds. Just north of us in the 12th District, check out some of these numbers: Freehold was awarded $157,000.00; Manalapan was awarded $187,000; Marlboro was awarded $196,000. I'm not begrudging these towns getting the money, but it makes no sense that the Shore towns get nothing. Why did this happen? I have to talk about parties here for a moment, but I promise I will get right off it because I won't let this get partisan. The Democrats have the Governor's chair and the legislature. If you look at what happened statewide: 90% OF THE MONEY WENT TO DEMOCRAT DISTRICTS; 10% TO REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS The 11th is a Republican District so Asbury Park and the other 24 towns got $0.00 (Freehold Manalapan and Marlboro are in the Democrat controlled 12th). The Press Conferences I had today in AP and Trenton was attended by the AP Fire and Police Departments as well as Democrat and Republican elected officials from around the 11th District. Here is the plan: I am suing the Governor and the Attorney General seeking an injunction from turning over the money, to give all the towns a chance to have the funds reallocated. I am going to employ the services of Drinker, Biddle and Reath, one of New Jersey's top law firms regarding public financing (they successfully sued a prior administration over a funding issue and prevailed). As all of you know, Justice is open to the public like the Ritz Carlton is open to the public. It costs money. The last time Drinker Biddle sued the state the fees were approximately $100,000.00. Therefore, that is my fundraising target. The purpose of both press conferences today was to request donations for this lawsuit. I am seeking the help of people of all political persuasions to donate, as this is not a partisan endeavor. If you think AP should share in the Homeland Security money, then I hope you will donate. I realize Asbury Park has several Katrina fundraising efforts going on now, but I hope you will make some allowance for your own Homeland Security needs by donating to this fund. If you wish to donate, call my offices at 732-869-1500. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM
[AsburyPark] Re: Talking about C-8, Metro Homes Trump
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woo-Hoo! Legalized pot smoking while driving 95 with no seat belts on, talking on the cell phone and shootin' stuff up! This guy sounds like just wha New Jersey needs. Wow Joe, if I didn't know better, I'd say you were hannitized. That's almost verbatim what the talking handpuppets on the radio say about the Liberatarian Party. If certain people want to take themselves out of the genepool in the manner you described, no need to waste valuable police resources on 'em. At least he's against eminent domain, except, apparently, in Asbury Park. (see his ISSUES page) LOL...I noticed that too. I guess with all the dead voters that rose from the grave to vote last November, he figures the Democratic Party already has Asbury Park spoken for this November. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/16/nyregion/16jersey.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Talking about C-8, Metro Homes Trump
I understood it, and chuckled. Which of the two pompous multi-millionaire liberals is AP/Action endorsing for governor this year? I'm following my heart this year instead of my head: http://www.pawlowski2005.org/ --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Joe D'Andrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The really astonishing news is that Stuart Koperweis will likely take credit for this Jersey City development too. What makes you say that? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Fox news - Rush - Pat - Falwell
Guys... Can we be more civil to each other? Is there any reason to start attacking each other? None of our bickering is going to make any of those lost souls come back. This wasn't a Republican/Democrat disaster. It was an AMERICAN disaster. This American would rather salute those of us who do things to help in our own ways rather than point fingers at others for doing things to help in their own way. Now where's Skip with some good ol' Fish bashing? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, noblarneyzone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess your a Rev. made from the same cloth as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson. Next you'll be blaming the gays for the hurricane because you know they were responsible for 9/11. ];-) Actually I blame the same spirit that obviously pervades you... HATE!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: gas pirates....
funny cartoon: http://www.atomfilms.com/contentPlay/shockwave.jsp? id=cant_afford_gaspreplay --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/4/05 8:38 PM, Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Put a stop to it by writing the Pres. and ask him to sign an executive Order, freezing the price of gas at $blah-blah! That's all it takes! But will he do it? NO! Bush is out to take over the World! In case people here don¹t know it, it is against the law in New Jersey for gas stations to raise prices more than once every 24 hours. Hundreds of people have already sent in complains to Trenton about this as I think it¹s hard NOT to find a gas station in Monmouth County that broke the law in the past week. I¹m seen stations that raised their prices about 3 times in a 3-4 hour period. BTW, many stations have started NOT listing the price of gas. Beware those stations as some people have really been stuck with high prices. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: U.S. Postage Stamps with Tillie from Palace Amusements on th...
Mario, It's not a scam. Stamps.com will let you put any photo on a postage stamp. http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps/?source=si10958644 This guy just chose to put Tillie on a bunch of stamps, marked them up $5.00 a sheet, then posted on here how his friend discovered these stamps. Pretty brilliant marketing, but I think I'll order a set of Convention Hall directly for my Christmas Cards instead. Incidentally, Stamps.com used to be more lax on what they would allow on a postage stamp. thesmokinggun.com tested their censors ordered a whole bunch, such as Monica's Blue Dress, the Unabomber, McGreevey his lover, etc. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0426051_photostamps_1.html --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a site called tilliestamp.org whose purpose was to gather signatures for a tillie stamp petition. It no longer exists, but it is still cached by Google if you're curious.. Original Message Subj: Re: [AsburyPark] U.S. Postage Stamps with Tillie from Palace Amusements on th... Date: 9/3/2005 4:08:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: In reference to the comment: Heads up: my friend just turned me onto a website called www.tilliestamps.com that's selling sheets of U.S. postage stamps with Tillie from Palace Amusements on them. I ordered three sheets for my Christmas cards already -- better early than out of stock, I say. I went to that site, and there are several versions of the Tillie stamp; however, at the official USPS site ( _The Postal Store_ (http://shop.usps.com/cgi- bin/vsbv/postal_store_non_ssl/home.jsp) ) they are nowhere to be found. Looks like another scam. Mario Original Message Subj: [AsburyPark] U.S. Postage Stamps with Tillie from Palace Amusements on them! Date: 9/3/2005 12:02:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) Sent on: Heads up: my friend just turned me onto a website called www.tilliestamps.com that's selling sheets of U.S. postage stamps with Tillie from Palace Amusements on them. I ordered three sheets for my Christmas cards already -- better early than out of stock, I say. Check it out, enjoy! Kristin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Katrina is misused as a Race Card
Good job BB! I love how everyone pointed fingers and called you a racist. (knowing there's no possible way you could be, I googled your post and found the answer!) I recommend everyone else do the same. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs partly because the want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. And, There is a certain class of race problem-solvers who don't want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Katrina is misused as a Race Card
I don't understand that point. The Dhali Lama is speaking at Rutgers Stadium in two weeks. He's taken a vow of poverty, yet he has the Presidential Suite at the Hyatt booked. Are you saying we should take his teachings with a grain of salt because he doesn't practice what he preaches? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This about Booker Washington from African-American Perspective: The Progress of a People: Although he advised African-Americans to abide by segregation codes, he often traveled in private railroad cars and stayed in good hotels. Google it if you want the site. I guess where you stand depends on where you sit. mjd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Who to blame
BB... I admire your stamina for arguing with someone who most likely believes Bush did nothing for 7 minutes while America was being attacked 4 years ago. By the way...Why is it, when the US was attacked by Japan in 1941, our first reaction was to attack Libya? That doesn't make sense, does it? Everyone KNOWS the Libyans had nothing to do with bombing Pearl Harbor. We should have focused all of our efforts on defeating Japan, proclaiming victory, and bringing the boys home from the Pacific. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sandy why call him sonnyboy? Is not every man someone's son? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New Orleans Update
good point! definitions of refugee: a person who has been forced to leave his/her home and has crossed an international border Someone who has left his or her homeland because of fear of persecution. One of the six legal immigrant categories, refugees are aliens who are unable to remain in their country of origin due to persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution based on race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. Refugees are subject to ceilings by geographic area set annually by the President in consultation with Congress. They are eligible for lawful permanent resident status after one year of continuous presence in the United States. Refugees differ from asylees in that people outside the United States apply for refugee status, but people already in the United States... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to know why these people are being called refugees? Refugees are non-citizens! They are evacuees! There are no Haitians, Puerto ricans or Dominicans like residents here in AP. These people are the descendants of French, Indian, Spanish who settled New Orleans in the 1700's! Refugees? NOT! CUBANS are refugees, not native-born citizens who have lived in Louisiana for over 450 years! I am indignant as it is my home town and people are being shuttled like cattle, separated from their babies, just like slavery! I say Impeach Bush and fire that FEMA director! 5 days with no food and water! I survived Hurricane Betsy in 1965 with 5 ft of water in my kitchen downstairs. I survived Camille in 1969, without a scratch, on St. Anthony St., which is now under water. I found out that in 1965 the levee was blasted on purpose in the 9th Ward, which is ALL-Black to save white Metarie, Was the levee blasted this time to get rid of all the Blacks? 500 Black people drowned that night! We are expendable! Can you say, IMMINENT DOMAIN? Blacks are real savvy to the dealings of racist whites in the south! There's not too much wool you can pull over thier eyes! The Federal government was asked for funds after a dry run on this type of tradgedy a year ago! The government saud, NO! The money was sent to IRAQ! The 165 year old home of former White Citizens Council Member, trent Lott will be rebuilt, FIRST! New Orleans is 78% Black, Asbury Park is 80% Black. Watch what happens to New Orleans and Asbury Park will be dealt the same, only on a smaller scale! Nothing changes! Spare me your comments! A Strong Black Woman Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Academic Symposium on Bruce
Progressive liberal, huh? Well from your postings today I'd have to say you're more of a bigot than a progressive liberal. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon G. Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's wrong with being a progressive liberal? I'm one and proud of it! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Check out t r u t h o u t | News Politics
Tony, any chance you could bullet point the important parts? Ever since Tom Cruise told me to stop taking my ADD meds I'm having a hard time paying attention to long posts on here. ...to the Asburymusic board I go! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tony Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, With all sincerity and due respect: While what you are saying is true, it is defintely not the entire truth of the matter, and can even be considered 'spun' by some. The fact is that the 17th street levee which busted was being workred on recently, but work was not finished. The fact is that this levee was earmarked as far back as 2002 for work by the army corps engineers, but diversion of funds to Iraq delayed the start of the project significantly (of the 72 million that was needed, the white house only approved a little over 10 million, citing the need to fund the war in iraq). if funding had been made available when originally approved by the legislature , and not vetoed by the executive branch, the levee would have been shored up. bush ran on promises of running the country as a ceo would. he has certainly done that, and his perfomance is par for the course of his ceo-track record. somewhere accountability needs to start. there can be no argument that severe nature-related damage was unavoidable. that being said, the horrific extent that has occurred is a direct result of the administrations zeal to satisfy the neo- cons publicly stated policy. the fact that people live in a natural-disatser prone area is no excuse for not providing them with due safety. especially after being argued, studied and given due process through the entire system of government our republic is architected upon. the fact that the funding got denied where the buck stopped, requires public acknowledgment, discourse and, ultimately, accountability. = Warning!!!..extreme political content follows..unless you are one of open mind and willing to hear and read, for yourself directly from the mouths of the horses in the stable, do not not proceed.. on the other hand, if you want unbiased, fact driven information concerning the directio of the coutry, read on (those who may have trouble sleeping at night, may want to reconsider reading on.. seriously, and with all tounge removed from cheek, in discussion on this topic with others, some readily agree that the imperial aspirations of tghis administration are justified and even neccessary. I respect that opinion, but feel that, at a minimum, the facts need to be discussed for all interested persons to reach their own opinion.. == As to the policy: it has its origins in the recently declassified 1950 document NSC-68 (authored Paul Nitze). This documents a roadmap of imperial aspirations which rely on preemptive strikes and taking control, by force if neccesary, of natural resources. The modern flavor of this plan, crafted as early as 1992 by paul wolfowitz and later redited by cheney and colin powell to soften the very strong world imperialism language. This strategy of glbal imperialism and it needing to take root in the middle east is clearly defined in The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives by Zbigniew K. Brzezinski. Their policy is a simple one. controlling resources is the key to controlling the rest of the world. this is the reason for our alliance with isreal, it has nothing to do with israel controlling us, any notion of a 'chosen people', or blaming israel for our war. again, this is about developing an overpowering presence inthe middle east. the reason for going into iraq is two fold (according to position papers authored by luminaries such as wolfowitz, cheney, rumsfeld, and pearle among others)..to creatiing a lasting military presence in northen and southern iraq in the areas of oil fields, and driving a wedge in the islamic world by putting an american prsence between iran, saudia arabia and syria. all setting the stage for the neo-cons dream of an imperialistic world. this is not a left wing nut-job conspiracy. i dare say the editorial commentary of this post is minimal, and such editorial comments are aimed at making sure these comments do not come under the banner of 'conspiracy theory or snti-semitism..these statements are culled directly from PNAC (project for a new american century..a think tank formed by rumsfeld, cheney, wolfowitz, jeb bush, steve forbes.. the list goes on and on) and IASPS (Institute for Advanced Strategic Political Studies) a jerusalem based think tank (founded by richard pearle..the infamous 'prince of darkness' who simultaneously headed the head of state campaigns for Bob Dole and Benjamin Netanyahu, and who until
[AsburyPark] Re: The Look of Things
Wow! That was quick... they went from building them last Wednesday to having them today! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/message/11282 Who's the developer down there? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oak: Actually, Ocean City has condos on top of thier boardwalk pavillions. I wish we had them here. The views! The ratables! Year- round activity at the beach! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more crap built? How about finishing what hey started. Sure, those little green patches should have something like a mini-golf, band shell or benches. Tommy, why not just build condos there? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another Blast from the Past
Here we go with the revisionism again. Duany had his meetings in April 2002. The Plan was adopted October 2002. The Plan calls for a Hotel to be constructed in the Entertainment District opposite the Casino, at the western edge of the forecourt. The Plan also permits the Berkeley Empress to stay. I don't know what the capacity for the existing hotels are, but why would a THIRD hotel be proposed by the Developer unless he expected demand to exceed the supply of existing hotel rooms? Once again, who has a bigger stake in being correct, Duany or Fishman? Hmmm...if only we had a way to understand what members of City Council were thinking back in May 2002, after they heard Duany the consultant, but before they negotiated the Plan: (cue dreamy harp music) http://asburypark.net/news/columns/anewday/20020523.html --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan I wish you could have been here when Duany was having his meetings here. I remember at one point someone noting that all the parking to be built was for residents, and asked him why no parking for tourists was created under the plan. Duany couldn't have been clearer. He explained that this plan isn't for mass tourism as in the past. The lack of parking was by design, to make clear that this wasn't going to be a pure tourist draw. Between the residents, the weekenders and the Monmouth County day- trippers, we will fill the beach, boardwalk and stores just fine. I know you weren't here for that, but I can't understand why those who were pretend they didn't hear it. I don't understand their frustration every time Fishman does something that is contrarty to the old design of pure tourism. They act surprised. Why? The design of the plan has never been a secret. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another Blast from the Past
Just wanted to bump this back up to the top, since it was ignored the first time it was posted. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we go with the revisionism again. Duany had his meetings in April 2002. The Plan was adopted October 2002. The Plan calls for a Hotel to be constructed in the Entertainment District opposite the Casino, at the western edge of the forecourt. The Plan also permits the Berkeley Empress to stay. I don't know what the capacity for the existing hotels are, but why would a THIRD hotel be proposed by the Developer unless he expected demand to exceed the supply of existing hotel rooms? Once again, who has a bigger stake in being correct, Duany or Fishman? Hmmm...if only we had a way to understand what members of City Council were thinking back in May 2002, after they heard Duany the consultant, but before they negotiated the Plan: (cue dreamy harp music) http://asburypark.net/news/columns/anewday/20020523.html --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan I wish you could have been here when Duany was having his meetings here. I remember at one point someone noting that all the parking to be built was for residents, and asked him why no parking for tourists was created under the plan. Duany couldn't have been clearer. He explained that this plan isn't for mass tourism as in the past. The lack of parking was by design, to make clear that this wasn't going to be a pure tourist draw. Between the residents, the weekenders and the Monmouth County day- trippers, we will fill the beach, boardwalk and stores just fine. I know you weren't here for that, but I can't understand why those who were pretend they didn't hear it. I don't understand their frustration every time Fishman does something that is contrarty to the old design of pure tourism. They act surprised. Why? The design of the plan has never been a secret. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Pony Debate: Redux
I'm a very big College Football fan, (Upstream Red Team to anyone else who is) and TiVo every mention of College Football. On Monday, there was a show on the Travel Channel called College Football Towns where they profiled Athens, GA. Did you know, both REM the B52s were discovered in the same Athens bar??? Neither did I, but the next time my Knights face the Georgia Bulldogs, I'll make sure I get a picture of me in front of the bar where both REM the B52s were discovered. Actually, because I am a fountain of useless knowledge, whenever I'm in Atlanta I'll remember there is a bar where both REM the B52s were discovered. As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet the next time any of us are in Atlanta, (which is 70 miles away, according to the show) if we ask 10 30-something locals on the streets where REM was discovered, at least 1 of them would be able to give us the best way to get to that unnamed bar in Athens. Picture yourself on the streets of NYC. Not 5th Ave, but around 20th and First. If you asked 10 40-something locals Excuse me, can you tell me where Bruce Springsteen plays? How many would tell you to go to the Stone Pony? How about 40-something locals on Market Street in Philly? Would you concede that there ARE some European tourists wandering around NYC Philly looking to find Bruce shrines? And that, ladies gentlemen, is why the Pony should stay exactly where it is, and go on serving $4 bottles, $20 Tshirts, $9 thongs, and charge a $5 fee to use the MAC machine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Tonight on Restore, er, Asbury Radio!!
Tommy, I enjoy value your opinion, but don't value it enough to kill a tree*. Are your Justified Right columns your own intellectual property, or the property of the Tri-City News? If they are your own, have you ever thought of putting a blog together? *what? a conserveative who actually IS a tree hugger??? Next thing you'll tell me is there ARE liberals who are anti-abortion What has this world come to when we can't paint people with a broad brush --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tune into Justified Right today to find out what happened on Asbury Radio last Thursday. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tune in Asbury Radio tonight for the dish on this yearâs Clearwater Festival in Asbury Park, as told by Amy and Maire from the hit musical group âViragoâ. Then our guest Kevin Fitzpatrick, executive director of The Dorothy Parker Society, fills us in on the first Dorothy Parker Day, this Sunday, in Long Branch âs West End Park. Then stay-tuned for the latest update on the cityâs $21.5 million refinance of the sewer plant (17 years of debt), and the fast track developersâ obligation to share profits in excess of 12% with the city. Join us in our little studio; as Parker would say, It's a small apartment, I've barely enough room to lay my hat and a few friends. PS â Weâve dropped the âRestoreâ from our title to help the public recognize us, but never from our hearts and our mission. Speak up - It's America!! Maureen Nevin Asbury Radio -The Radio Voice of Asbury Park 88.1FM - 5 Years on the Air!! Asbury's Own Live Talk Show 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/ Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: The Pony Debate: Redux
A conversation in 2040: Grandpa, why is the NJ Music Hall of Fame on Exit 116 of the Parkway? Well, Exit 116 is only 16 miles away from the Parkway Exit to Asbury Park, where Bruce Springsteen had his big break. And as a matter of fact, there are plenty of things to do on Exit 116. Why, you can visit the Vietnam Veteran Memorial, where your great grandpa gave his life for a meaningless war in the '60s. Lighty, don't give up the good fight. I'm actually involved with an organization looking to relocate the College Football Hall of Fame to New Brunswick from South Bend, IN. (Did you know, the first college football game was held in New Brunswick, between Rutgers Princeton?) The State wants to put it on a Turnpike Rest Stop. The committee has agreed that the CFHOF is better off starving in South Bend than thriving on Exit 8A. But, then again, some people are more concerned about how they can get ahead than what their grandkids would want when their grandparents are worm food. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lighty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As a matter of fact, I'm willing to bet the next time any of us are in Atlanta, (which is 70 miles away, according to the show) if we ask 10 30-something locals on the streets where REM was discovered, at least 1 of them would be able to give us the best way to get to that unnamed bar in Athens. Actually the museum that we are looking at the closest for a model for the New Jersey Music Hall of Fame is the Georgia Music Hall of Fame. That museum has had tremendous success in building up the state's musical heritage to a larger audience. Of course, the way things are going with Asbury Park not wanting tourism, I guess we may be forced to look elsewhere for a home. It's a shame because Asbury Park shouldn't seek to be the next Bradley Beach - it should be seeking more. It has too much going for it to settle into the next little family town on the Jersey Shore... One more note of just how much success Belmar is having with their move to residential. The town council voted to have our parking meters run from May to the end of September. Why is this important? Because for decades those meters were ONLY used during the summer. The town is struggling to find ways to make up for lost tourist revenue... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Ocean City!
Dear North Jersey natives: Please stay out of Ocean City! There is nothing to see or do there, and as someone mentioned, it's a ghost town. Thank you, JerseyJohn but seriously, Ocean City was my family's Hyannisport/Kennebunkport for about 70 years. Had a nice sized house on 12th Wesley. It was sold in the early '90s, and is now the proud site of a 16 unit condo complex. Hurts to even think about how much each of those places are going for. In regards to year round residential. Ocean City DOES have year round residents, they just live in Somers Point during the winter. I have a cousin who is 31, lives in SP and operates a Jet Ski rental biz out of a trailer on the Bay in OC. He works from May-September grosses $200k. The scary thing is there are 5 other rental places on that strip. OC is perfectly happy being a summer destination, and paying for the vital necessaties through Property Taxes cops who obviously get paid commissions for every ticket they write or car they tow. And yes, OC has a school system is the regional system for all of Southern Cape May County. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New poll for AsburyPark
From the 9th St Bridge to the Parkway is 5 minutes Parkway to the Expressway is 15 minutes (assuming AC is closed that day) Expressway to Route 42 is 45 minutes Route 42 to the Walt Whitman is 25 minutes (assuming they've stopped construction on the day you come, and the obligatory 18 wheeler doesn't Jackknife that day) WW to downtown Philly is 10 minutes 100 minutes without traffic. Of course to get this perfect storm of a commute, you leave your house at 2am. In which case add a half hour for all the sobriety checks you'll hit along the way. The only mass transit option is the Shoobie Bus (Ocean City to Philly). It takes 2 hours 13 minutes. You have your choice of four departures: 6:46am, 11am, 4pm, or 7pm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you drive real slow! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/17/2005 6:20:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Faster from Ocean City to Philly than Asbury to NYC. OC - Philly = 90 minutes without traffic Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: from todays NY Post
Where is this restaurant full of psychics? I want to see if they can guess my family's religion ethnic origins. Yeah, and there's NO racism in Monmouth County...okay! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a slur only if it was meant in a derogotory way. The Jews have to stop persecuting themselves. If it said Italian couple, i would not be offended. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By LEELA de KRETSER - --- /August 17, 2005/ -- Two diners on a date at a fancy Jersey Shore restaurant were furious when they saw the check which listed their table as that of the Jew Couple. Brooklynite Elliot Stein says he was shocked that a waitress at the Parkhill's Waterfront Grill in Allenhurst printed the slur... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New poll for AsburyPark
Well, NJ Transit seems to think I'm short by 33 minutes Yahoo is off by 58 minutes. Considering they have a financial interest in posting accurate times, I have less of a financial interest in posting an accurate time, and a company based out of California offering a free service has absolutely no financial interest in posting an accurate time, which of the three of us would you guess is most accurate? http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/bus/T0551.pdf Let's look at another example: It's interesting how NJ transit budgets 11 minutes to go from West 34th to 10th Haven, but Yahoo Maps says you can go those 3 miles in 4 minutes. Now, do you think people in Ocean City are that slow boarding buses, or just maybe there are a few traffic lights between those 24 blocks? Having driven from Ocean City to see more than my fair share of Phillies losses in my days, I stand by my original estimate. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JJ: This from Yahoo maps: Starting from: Ocean City, NJ Arriving at: Philadelphia, PA Distance: 64.7 miles Approximate Travel Time: 1 hour 15 mins They seem to think you are off by 25 minutes. So do I. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the 9th St Bridge to the Parkway is 5 minutes Parkway to the Expressway is 15 minutes (assuming AC is closed that day) Expressway to Route 42 is 45 minutes Route 42 to the Walt Whitman is 25 minutes (assuming they've stopped construction on the day you come, and the obligatory 18 wheeler doesn't Jackknife that day) WW to downtown Philly is 10 minutes 100 minutes without traffic. Of course to get this perfect storm of a commute, you leave your house at 2am. In which case add a half hour for all the sobriety checks you'll hit along the way. The only mass transit option is the Shoobie Bus (Ocean City to Philly). It takes 2 hours 13 minutes. You have your choice of four departures: 6:46am, 11am, 4pm, or 7pm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you drive real slow! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/17/2005 6:20:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Faster from Ocean City to Philly than Asbury to NYC. OC - Philly = 90 minutes without traffic Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: from todays NY Post
Good question, and I'll try to give my interpretation. When discussing religion, I'm Catholic and my wife kids are Jewish. (darn, I gave away the answer to the psychic waitresses). I consider religious beliefs an adjective, not a noun. So I don't consider myself A Catholic. (heck...neither do most Catholics). I'd probably be offended if someone referred to my kids as Jews, but honestly religion rarely comes up in polite conversation. Next time I'm with my in-laws want to bring up a sore subject that will offend all involved, I'll keep this one in mind. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe someone on the board can help me out with this. Serious question and I'm trying to learn. Why is it that to say He is a Jew is considered insensitive or insulting, but to say He is Jewish is OK. I must say for other religions it is the opposite. If someone said of me He is a Catholic I'd be OK with that because I am. If someone said of me He is Catholic-ish I might be insulted, like they are insinuating I'm not really one. I once heard someone on TV talk about this. It was either Robert Klein or Ed Koch. They wanted to start a movement to get rid of the Jewish word because he was proud to be called Jew. Any thoughts to educate me on why the word Jew is derogatory but Jewish is not? I hope no one finds the very subject off limits. After all, I worship a Jew (or should I say Jewish guy?). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: New poll for AsburyPark
Sunset Ave to City Hall, NY in 68 minutes, huh? Yahoo said it's true, so it MUST be! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JJ: Yahoo gives AP to NY in 68 minutes. That's about right, isn't it? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, NJ Transit seems to think I'm short by 33 minutes Yahoo is off by 58 minutes. Considering they have a financial interest in posting accurate times, I have less of a financial interest in posting an accurate time, and a company based out of California offering a free service has absolutely no financial interest in posting an accurate time, which of the three of us would you guess is most accurate? http://www.njtransit.com/pdf/bus/T0551.pdf Let's look at another example: It's interesting how NJ transit budgets 11 minutes to go from West 34th to 10th Haven, but Yahoo Maps says you can go those 3 miles in 4 minutes. Now, do you think people in Ocean City are that slow boarding buses, or just maybe there are a few traffic lights between those 24 blocks? Having driven from Ocean City to see more than my fair share of Phillies losses in my days, I stand by my original estimate. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JJ: This from Yahoo maps: Starting from: Ocean City, NJ Arriving at: Philadelphia, PA Distance: 64.7 miles Approximate Travel Time: 1 hour 15 mins They seem to think you are off by 25 minutes. So do I. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, jerseyjohn99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From the 9th St Bridge to the Parkway is 5 minutes Parkway to the Expressway is 15 minutes (assuming AC is closed that day) Expressway to Route 42 is 45 minutes Route 42 to the Walt Whitman is 25 minutes (assuming they've stopped construction on the day you come, and the obligatory 18 wheeler doesn't Jackknife that day) WW to downtown Philly is 10 minutes 100 minutes without traffic. Of course to get this perfect storm of a commute, you leave your house at 2am. In which case add a half hour for all the sobriety checks you'll hit along the way. The only mass transit option is the Shoobie Bus (Ocean City to Philly). It takes 2 hours 13 minutes. You have your choice of four departures: 6:46am, 11am, 4pm, or 7pm. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you drive real slow! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/17/2005 6:20:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Faster from Ocean City to Philly than Asbury to NYC. OC - Philly = 90 minutes without traffic Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: the pony doesn't matter
Sorry BB, you lose. Under the international messageboard agreement created in 1990 known as Godwin's Law, whenever someone brings up Hitler or Nazis in an argument unrelated to WWII, the thread is over, and the person who caused the Violator to invoke Godwin's Law is declared the winner. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Congratulations, Traderdube! Very good post, by the way. Next topic... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Dube, Your post below, more accurately the points you make, is the only thing wrong with AP. That dead-hand control, refuse to look forward, no progress, visionless, over-romanticized, Nostalgia- Nazi view that we have to return to a fictionalized past that never was instead of moving to a bright future we could have, is the only thing wrong with AP. Your literarly use of slowly morphing the Pony into all that is the rest of Asbury Park is the template, often used by others, that reveals Asbury is filled with Springsteen fanatics posing as people who pretend to know the rest of the City. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will make one point now based upon your post though. Assuming your Liberty Bell scenario, where the Pony doesn't make a profit but draws tourists to the town, who then will own and operate a business that loses money for the purpose of bringing in tourists so others can make money? You, Mr. Rockefeller? If I had the financial strength to buy the Pony, it's liquor license, and it's legacy back in 1999 for the asking price of $400,000, Dominic would have had a bidding war on his hands. If I remember correctly, since that deal was signed in Feb '99, Bruce has had 3 world tours, 5 annual series of Holiday concerts in Asbury, 2 new studio albums, 2 concert DVDs, 2 Live Albums, and a Compilations album. Would you agree that SOME people came to Asbury Park to see the Pony because of Bruce? You think all these people would have flocked to Ole's instead? Using the Liberty Bell example, again, I can list dozens of businesses that draw tourists to towns that aren't getting their fair cut of the pie. With apologies to a respected poster on this board, I believe there is an author's restored house in Asbury Park that fits this category. Did you ever buy a piece of art, or even better, get an autograph of someone you admired? Did you do this because you expected it to go up in value? I have autographs of about 50 baseball players from a trip to Hank Aaron's enshrinement in Cooperstown in the early 80s, and I could care less what they are worth. (Hmmm..I even remember fondly the day my Dad drove me 8 hours up into Nowhere, NY. Wow...nice racket Cooperstown has going). To me my autographs are a connection to the past, a reminder that I met Joe DiMaggio Ted Williams, who both retired 20 years before I was born, and got a smile from them. They are not for sale. They are scribblings on cardboard to some people on this board, they are goldmines to some others on this board, but they are mementoes of MY childhood, not theirs. Also, considering Werner's post, wherein the new plan is concededly residential and not for tourists (absolutely correct, and the point most lost on people like Save Tillie, etc.), your concern for attracting tourists is misplaced. Our concern is a year-round economy supported by Monmouth County towns (a population larger and wealthier than Boston). And yet Boston has denied the Red Sox plans 5 years ago of tearing down Fenway Park rebuilding a modern 60,000 baseball stadium. What the heck are those Bostonians thinking??? They'd increase ratables by 50% just from shoving more people in their to watch the Red Sox lose. Just because we are larger wealthier, doesn't necessarily make us smarter. History will judge that. The Pony can stay or go and it won't make a bit of difference to the redevelopment of Asbury Park. I disagree about the bit of difference. The Pony staying means the difference between the other businesses surviving or ridiculously thriving. You grew up in Asbury Park, so you probably know who Arthur Pryor was. I have no freaking clue who he is, and if you told me he was Richard's dad, I'd believe you. You take away that bandshell, and Arthur Pryor fades away with the memories of the Greatest Generation Trivial Pursuit players. I remember the day an Asbury Park Historian (who certifies these people anyways?) who also runs a law practice told me the story of the Mayfair being torn down. I think the Mayfair would have an easier job of seperating this tourist from his suburban cash than an antique shop or an ethnic restaurant. You take away the Pony, and my kids (who in all likelihood will think Bruce is a dork just because their dad listens to him) have absolutely no reason to visit Asbury Park instead of Bradley Beach in 20 years. There's no hope of any amusements aside from an arcade, so the City has already lost the under 16 crowd. This Redevelopment is sacrifiicing Asbury's future revenue streams in return for a quick fix solution to make the town not appear empty. There I said it. The Pony doesn't matter. Ok, please make a single file line to beat me up. Don't all pile on at once. It's called an opinion, and personally I respect it, even if I disagree with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JJ the assumption we were working under (which you started with your Liberty Bell post) is a Stone Pony that loses money. Someone still has to own it. Unless they are independantly wealthy and can absorb the loss to keep it open for sentimental reasons, it makes no sense for that owner to keep it. Business is business. Tillie is dead because no one could re-coup a $16 million investment with pinball machine quarters as a return. Economics rule (as it should). No, Tillie is dead because the landowner has a lower tax obligation on an empty lot than he has on land with improvements. Economics rule. As far as who should own the Pony if it was the Liberty Bell? You know the answer to that: it becomes a Common Good. (Please note, I didn't say Public Good, which would be the beaches, sidewalks, and Cobrahead lights). I don't really feel like blowing the dust off my Macro books to cite theories, but the typical response in handling a Common Good is to set up a private foundation such as a Homeowners Association, Merchant's Guild, National Trust, or any other 501(c)4 organization to be the caretaker for the Common Good. Do a little research on Lucy the Margate Elephant, for an example of Save CRUMMYOLDBUILDING that works when you have a local government that realizes they are merely custodians of the City's treasures for the next generation. If you feel the Pony is better off dead than saved if not profitable, do you feel the same regarding Convention Hall? Please give me an example of a similar venue anywhere in NJ that is in private hands? Apparently Asbury Partners is going to disprove economic theories that have been around since Titus held his first Gladiator Games in the Colosseum around AD 80. If I was a betting man, my money would be on the dead guys. Heck, I AM a betting man...anyone wanna lay odds? As for all your Bruce facts, you forgot one: Bruce was never, ever a booked act at the Pony. Not once. Not in the 70's, 80's or 90's. The first time his name ever graced the marquee was in 2001 for a benefit show. I sure hope the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame doesn't find out about that little tid-bit. I always correct people when they claim the Pony launched Bruce or vice versa. Technically, he was launched at the old YMCA in Freehold, but we'll just build up these Asbury Park myths get tourists spending here before the Freehold Center Partnership figures out how to market him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
If a tree falls in the woods, and Doubting Thomas isn't there to actually witness it, did it make a sound, or are you just going to go back and forth with him until you're banging your head against the wall? Your right, BB...nothing worth hearing. Too bad you can't build condos on Radio Waves. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides: Anyone making any rock n roll worth hearing these days? NOT. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: THE STONE PONY NEEDS A REAL CONCERT PROMOTER....
Does the Liberty Bell make a good profit in Philly? Does a zebra crossing on Abbey Road in London generate enough revenue to cover its maintenance? What a ridiculous question. My kids aren't exactly covering their fair share of the mortgage or their food bills, but I'm not throwing them out on the street because I'd make a better profit renting their rooms out as a brothel. If you get a chance, take a look at the Visitor Books a lot of merchants have around town. The Visitor's Center on the Boardwalk in the last 2 weeks has entries from Manchester, England, Houston, TX, Los Angeles, Unpronounceable, Sweden. Do you honestly think these people flew halfway across the world to get their picture taken in front of C8??? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, bluebishop82 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering: Did the Pony ever make a good profit? Butch owned it first I beleive, and I assume he didn't make it because it did close. I don't recall who if anyone owned it between Butch and Dominic. Don't know if Dominic made any money with it either. Nightclubs in general are tough. Most don't last. Anyone have any real facts (not opinion) about whether the Pony was really ever profitable? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a fire trap? its no worse then any other place __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] The Pony With The Golden Egg
One day a countryman going to the nest of his pony found there an egg all yellow and glittering. When he took it up it was as heavy as lead and he was going to throw it away, because he thought a trick had been played on him. But he took it home on second thoughts, and soon found that it was an egg of pure gold. Every morning the same thing occurred, and he grew rich by selling his eggs. As he grew rich he grew greedy; and thinking to get at once all the gold the pony could give, he killed it and opened it only to find nothing. Greed oft o'er reaches itself. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/Y2tolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
