2514 connects to cable modem

[Frank Kim]

Hi folks,
Is it possible to replace the current motorola cable modem box with a
2514?  If so, how do you do it?  If not, what is the reason or what is the
difference between that motorola box vs a 2514 cisco router?  thanks for
any input.

By the way, I'm not asking to cross-over between the motorola to the
ethernet port on a 2514.


-frank

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Thank you all of you for the idea about volunteering

[seifu argaw]

Thank you so much for the idea you shared me.
Cisco networking academy was the first I contacted but
I couldn't get any thing.every night I search on the
web there is no any place so far but I keep reading
for the next test.
Thank you

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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Brad Shifflett]

Then that is even better. The less there are, the more prestigous the
certification I think it is. I would say some that do pass probably are just
naturally able to do the work with no problem, some are just book smart and
have great memorization skills, but doesn't this really require a deep
knowledge to pass beyond what alot of us can even comprehend right now? I
just started looking at this myself. We just got one guy at our company
passed the lab and one pther passed the written. I can say these 2 are very
smart and bright individuals.

Brad Shifflett

-Original Message-
From: Louie Belt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:57 PM
To: Brad Shifflett; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


Actually, you are way too high on your estimate of CCIE's.  As of February
28th 2001 there are 5432 worldwide, 2476 are in the US.  A large number of
those work directly for Cisco.

The certification has been around since 1994 and the first CCIE was #1024

The CCIE World population can be viewed at:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html


Louie


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Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


My thought is if you can get all the way through the CCIE Lab and all, you
are determined to do the job. How many CCIE's are out there? 8000+-? I would
say from the low numbers, this exam is not easy, I have been in the field
for 7 years and just started to get my Cisco certification. I feel if I
would have started the Cisco stuff years ago, I would have not made it. The
material now is still pretty difficult to understand on some days. But, I
think the difference is, I am trying to understand it and learn it, not just
get by. I want to know the stuff inside and out. I am far from that, I know
alot of people that can take the exam, cram all week, and pass. But when it
comes to real world experience, it is over for them. Lets just weed out the
bad and let them fall on there faces. I like to help people, but if I know
this person is only a paper CXXX then I am not going to help them, it is up
to us real engineers to put these paper guys in there place, let them fall
down and you come up behind them and clean up the mess and save the day!
Happy testing!


Brad Shifflett
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Micromenders, Inc.



-Original Message-
From: Tony van Ree [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:08 PM
To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


Hi,

My two bobs worth,

Any qualification is as good as the paper it is written on.  In my
experience someone with an open mind, willing to learn, has acquired
knowledge, shares knowledge and works smart in an effort to acheive
excellence is what really counts.

The paper does indicate the person has at least seen the words and knows the
lingo, probably the acromymns and often has some understanding.  I have seen
many a good technical person, well qualified, knowledgable and understanding
come copletely unglued when put in a situation the person was not familiar
with.  The mark of the real expert is 'the real expert will seek, ask and
find' the details.  He knows how to extract the details.  Paper
qualifications particularly at a degree level indicates the person can
usually do this.

I understand the pride of having a bunch of letters after your name.
Personally I don't use them although I do have a copy of some of the certs I
have gained on my wall.  These are for my pride not to show others.

I have lost the pride in my qualifications because some have them and do not
share, care or attempt to understand.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia

PS.  I did think it strange when I read something by a Dr. Icant Remember
the name CCIE.
On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 08:01:23 AM, Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI wrote:

> Bravo!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:22 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
> This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view.
>
> I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
> are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same.
Just
> papers.
>
> I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
> I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set CCDA, CCNP and CCIE
> complete.
>
> I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx, switching, etc before
> taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning path version 11.2 and
> just recently obtain my degrees and working for the big one.
>
> What will be your opinion Do I know something or I am jus

ping dialer in IP address

[John Brandis]

Hey all,
 
I have assigned my dialer int 0 an IP address (10.10.64.2/19) What I
want to know is if I can ping it when the physical int , in my case bri0
is not connected to another network thus no calls made ?
 
 
Thanks
 
John B

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RE: Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router

[Louie Belt]

Let me clarify, I am successfully running c2500-js-l.120-9.bin (Enterprise
Plus IOS) on all five of my Cisco 2500 series routers with 16MB Ram and 8MB
Flash installed in each.  I know of 20+ others who are doing the same thing.

The image occupies 6.82 MB of the 8 MB flash.  It loads very slow due to the
decompression of the image (it takes 4-5 minutes for the router to load) but
it does work quite well.  12.09 is the newest Enterprise Plus IOS that will
fit in the 8MB of RAM on a 2500.  Additionally 12.09 Enterprise Plus IPSec
is too large and won't work.

Here is a screen capture from a 2501 to prove the point:

Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) 2500 Software (C2500-JS-L), Version 12.0(9), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
Copyright (c) 1986-2000 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Mon 24-Jan-00 22:30 by bettyl
Image text-base: 0x144C, data-base: 0x009392E0

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.2(8a), RELEASE SOFTWARE
BOOTFLASH: 3000 Bootstrap Software (IGS-RXBOOT), Version 10.2(8a), RELEASE
SOFTW
ARE (fc1)

R1 uptime is 2 minutes
System restarted by power-on
System image file is "flash:c2500-js-l.120-9.bin"

cisco 2500 (68030) processor (revision A) with 16384K/2048K bytes of memory.
Processor board ID 01241162, with hardware revision 
Bridging software.
X.25 software, Version 3.0.0.
SuperLAT software (copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp).
TN3270 Emulation software.
Cisco-ET Extended Temperature platform.
1 Ethernet/IEEE 802.3 interface(s)
2 Serial network interface(s)
32K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
8192K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)

Configuration register is 0x2102


Hope that clears things up.


Louie Belt
CCIE # 7054




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he has 8/16, Louie...  :-)

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> I've been running c2500-js-l.120-9.bin (Enterprise Plus IOS) in all five
of
> my 2500's with 16/8 with no problems.
>
> Louie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> EA Louie
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router
>
>
> c2500-js-l.120-9.bin ENTERPRISE PLUS 10225360 01/31/2000 02:11:23 ?
>
> says the image size is 10,225,360 bytes... too big to fit in 8MB
flash...the
> best you can get in 8MB flash is the former desktop image...
>
> c2500-d-l.120-9.bin  IP/IPX/AT/DEC 01/31/2000 02:02:02 6888660
>
> or
>
> c2500-is56-l.120-9.bin  IP PLUS 56 01/31/2000 02:09:06 7842536
>
>
>
> Alex Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > Group,
> >
> > Has anyone been successful in running this version of IOS with 8MB flash
> and
> > 16 MB RAM on 25xx routers ?
> >
> > The download site recommends minimum of 16 MB flash and 6 MB RAM.
> >
> >
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RE: Cisco 2510 problem

[Frank Mendoza]

If the image you are trying to upgrade to is less than 4Mb and it is not allowing you 
to do that, you may have a corrupted flash memory. Which means HW replacement.

Frank.

>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:29 -0800 (PST)
>From: Arun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Cisco 2510 problem
>To: Frank Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>  It has 8 MB flash and currently it's utilizing only
>4MB.
>
> 
>--- Frank Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Arun,
>> 
>> Check that the image's size you are trying to
>> upgrade to will fit into bootflash:
>> 
>> Frank.
>> >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:18:39 -0800 (PST)
>> >From: Arun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Subject: Cisco 2510 problem
>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Reply-To: Arun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Friends
>> >  I have cisco 2510 router that hangs
>> during
>> >bootup process when it tries to intialize token
>> ring
>> >port. If I bypass the NVRAM, then it works fine. It
>> >has IOS 11.2.
>> >I tried to upgrade the IOS using serial ports but
>> it
>> >failed. It there any way, I can upgrade IOS.
>> >
>> > Thanks for any help.
>> >
>> > Arun
>> >
>> >=
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RE: Cisco 2510 problem

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  It has 8 MB flash and currently it's utilizing only
4MB.

 
--- Frank Mendoza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Arun,
> 
> Check that the image's size you are trying to
> upgrade to will fit into bootflash:
> 
> Frank.
> >Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:18:39 -0800 (PST)
> >From: Arun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Cisco 2510 problem
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Reply-To: Arun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> > Hi Friends
> >  I have cisco 2510 router that hangs
> during
> >bootup process when it tries to intialize token
> ring
> >port. If I bypass the NVRAM, then it works fine. It
> >has IOS 11.2.
> >I tried to upgrade the IOS using serial ports but
> it
> >failed. It there any way, I can upgrade IOS.
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> >
> > Arun
> >
> >=
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Re: voulnteer

[Rick Cossey]

I did alot of volunteer work with the Children's Hospital and with the
American Red Cross.
Both were glad for the help and the pay back was tons of on the experience
as well as some really nice recommendations!
Rick
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> days work).
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> Good Luck, you have the right attitude !!!
> Phil
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> > How about at a school? They often need help and can have pretty
> interesting
> > networks.
> >
> > At 11:30 PM 3/19/01, seifu argaw wrote:
> > >I have CCNA.Since I don't have experience I can't find
> > >a job.It has been 8 months since I looked for a job.I
> > >leave in San Jose,CA now I am looking for volunteer
> > >job but I don't know where to look for it.I called
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Re: Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router

[EA Louie]

he has 8/16, Louie...  :-)

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Subject: RE: Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router


> I've been running c2500-js-l.120-9.bin (Enterprise Plus IOS) in all five
of
> my 2500's with 16/8 with no problems.
>
> Louie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> EA Louie
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:19 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router
>
>
> c2500-js-l.120-9.bin ENTERPRISE PLUS 10225360 01/31/2000 02:11:23 ?
>
> says the image size is 10,225,360 bytes... too big to fit in 8MB
flash...the
> best you can get in 8MB flash is the former desktop image...
>
> c2500-d-l.120-9.bin  IP/IPX/AT/DEC 01/31/2000 02:02:02 6888660
>
> or
>
> c2500-is56-l.120-9.bin  IP PLUS 56 01/31/2000 02:09:06 7842536
>
>
>
> Alex Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 9997vj$9sa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:9997vj$9sa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Group,
> >
> > Has anyone been successful in running this version of IOS with 8MB flash
> and
> > 16 MB RAM on 25xx routers ?
> >
> > The download site recommends minimum of 16 MB flash and 6 MB RAM.
> >
> >
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2600/3600 flash - are they compatible?

[Thomas]

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RE: Cisco 2510 problem

[Frank Mendoza]

Arun,

Check that the image's size you are trying to upgrade to will fit into bootflash:

Frank.
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:18:39 -0800 (PST)
>From: Arun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Cisco 2510 problem
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Reply-To: Arun Upadhyay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Hi Friends
>  I have cisco 2510 router that hangs during
>bootup process when it tries to intialize token ring
>port. If I bypass the NVRAM, then it works fine. It
>has IOS 11.2.
>I tried to upgrade the IOS using serial ports but it
>failed. It there any way, I can upgrade IOS.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Arun
>
>=
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Smartnet Contract

[Shawn P Bolan]

I would like to purchase a Smartnet contract for a 2523 I just purchased via
ebay (just in case)what type of Smartnet should I be gettingthere
are so many and I have not purchased one beforethanks in advance for the
advise
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RE: Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router

[Louie Belt]

I've been running c2500-js-l.120-9.bin (Enterprise Plus IOS) in all five of
my 2500's with 16/8 with no problems.

Louie

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c2500-js-l.120-9.bin ENTERPRISE PLUS 10225360 01/31/2000 02:11:23 ?

says the image size is 10,225,360 bytes... too big to fit in 8MB flash...the
best you can get in 8MB flash is the former desktop image...

c2500-d-l.120-9.bin  IP/IPX/AT/DEC 01/31/2000 02:02:02 6888660

or

c2500-is56-l.120-9.bin  IP PLUS 56 01/31/2000 02:09:06 7842536



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> Group,
>
> Has anyone been successful in running this version of IOS with 8MB flash
and
> 16 MB RAM on 25xx routers ?
>
> The download site recommends minimum of 16 MB flash and 6 MB RAM.
>
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Re: Economic downturn--Impact on Cisco Certification aspirations?

[* *]

You're kidding, right?  Seriously?  Did you honestly believe the .coms were 
all valuable and providing a niche?  How many search engines do we need?  
Online toy stores?  Online book stores?  ISPs?  How does the US (or global) 
economy evolve?  New products...new services...  neither of which 90% of the 
bankrupt .coms were providing.

If any of this recent downturn has you worried, you'd probably better get 
out of this field...and every other industry.  If this recent downturn has 
you re-thinking certification, you need to move on.  I hope you're joking 
because the last thing you need to do is reverse course during the first 
speedbump encountered.


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>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:37:26 -0500
>
>I thought IS would be a solid career, but now with some of the unpleasant
>DOT.COM stories in the news, is everyone cranking out the exams still?
>Hasthis had an impact on your morale?
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Re: Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router

[EA Louie]

c2500-js-l.120-9.bin ENTERPRISE PLUS 10225360 01/31/2000 02:11:23 ?

says the image size is 10,225,360 bytes... too big to fit in 8MB flash...the
best you can get in 8MB flash is the former desktop image...

c2500-d-l.120-9.bin  IP/IPX/AT/DEC 01/31/2000 02:02:02 6888660

or

c2500-is56-l.120-9.bin  IP PLUS 56 01/31/2000 02:09:06 7842536



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> Has anyone been successful in running this version of IOS with 8MB flash
and
> 16 MB RAM on 25xx routers ?
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> The download site recommends minimum of 16 MB flash and 6 MB RAM.
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what material about CCIE written exam

[yudaocai]

ciscocisco£¬hi£¡
I passed the ccnp last month . I would pass the written of CCIE at the end 
of Match.
I have read the book (ccie professional depvelopment routing tcp/ip,volume I which 
written by Jeff Doyle),
what else books should i must read to pass the exam. 
do you have any suggestions?

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Cisco 2510 problem

[Arun Upadhyay]

 Hi Friends
  I have cisco 2510 router that hangs during
bootup process when it tries to intialize token ring
port. If I bypass the NVRAM, then it works fine. It
has IOS 11.2.
I tried to upgrade the IOS using serial ports but it
failed. It there any way, I can upgrade IOS.

 Thanks for any help.

 Arun

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SE Engineering
MCSE CCNA CNA

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Re: Good IOS images

[Circusnuts]

With this question IOS's- keep in mind what I still believe is the true
(correct me if I'm wrong), but the CCNA commands have not changed since it's
inception in version 11.3  If you think of the routing content of the exam,
it wouldn't matter one iota if you had 11.2,11.3, 12.0, or 12.1  The core
commands used have not changed since the "Sho" was introduced in  version
10.0 (accept CDP neighbors).

Phil

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> Our recommended version for 25xx from Cisco is
> 12.0.12, and not to use 11.3. GD releases are
> preferred. It is good to note that ISPs frequently
> need to run all types of releases for features and
> fixes, with a preferrence for GD. I don't know of many
> that are successful though!
>
>
> --- Charlie Hartwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, I think the words "it depends" were written
> > specifically for this
> > question.
> >
> > When you go to the Cisco IOS planner page look for
> > images with the
> > letters "GD" after them. This means General
> > Deployment and you'll
> > find a lot of ISP's and large corporates use these
> > because they are
> > considered stable. Around the 12.0(13) or 11.2(22)
> > releases should be
> > GD (I can't remember exactly).
> >
> > On the other hand, if you are just using this for a
> > bit of practise
> > at home then get the very newest image that your
> > memory can handle
> > (12.2(1) should be out now) so you can play with all
> > of the latest
> > shiny, spinny features that won't work properly yet.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Charlie
> >
> > --- "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> > > Louie
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
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> > >
> > >
> > > What is a goof IOS image in the 11.3 class and the
> > 12.0 class for
> > > the
> > > 2501
> > > series?
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Re: Help with frame-relay switch configuration

[EA Louie]

I hope you meant
int ser0
clockrate 56000

and that you added

int ser3
frame-relay route 301 interface Serial1 101
clockrate 56000

-e-

mtxpert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> I have a Cisco 4000 I just received and I can't get it to take clock on 2
> interfaces at once.
> Here's a copy of the config after I just typed "lock rate 56000" at the
> config-if mode for serial 0.
>
> Current configuration:
> !
> version 11.1
> service udp-small-servers
> service tcp-small-servers
> !
> hostname R4000
> !
> enable secret 5 $1$1ETI$xqeVrzT8qlamhBz1pI4ZA/
> !
> frame-relay switching
> !
> interface Serial0
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay
>  frame-relay intf-type dce
>  frame-relay route 301 interface Serial1 101
> !
> interface Serial1
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay
>  clockrate 56000
>  frame-relay intf-type dce
>  frame-relay route 101 interface Serial3 301
> !
> interface Serial2
>  no ip address
>  shutdown
> !
> interface Serial3
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay
>  frame-relay intf-type dce
> !
> no ip classless
> !
> !
> line con 0
>  password cisco
>  login
> line aux 0
>  modem InOut
> line vty 0 4
>  password cisco
>  login
> !
> end
>
>
> Without applying clock the router won't allow the dlci's to map.
> This is my first attempt with a 4000 router.
> Here's the version output
>
> Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
> IOS (tm) 4000 Software (XX-J-M), Version 11.1(14), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
> Copyright (c) 1986-1997 by cisco Systems, Inc.
> Compiled Thu 04-Sep-97 21:33 by tlane
> Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0067166C
>
> ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.2(11a), RELEASE SOFTWARE
> ROM: 4000 Bootstrap Software (XX-RXBOOT), Version 10.2(11a), RELEASE
> SOFTWARE (f
> c1)
>
> R4000 uptime is 24 minutes
> System restarted by power-on
> System image file is "flash:xx-j-mz.111-14", booted via flash
>
> cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xC0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of
> memory.
> Processor board ID 5032615
> G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
> Bridging software.
> SuperLAT software copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp).
> X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant.
> TN3270 Emulation software (copyright 1994 by TGV Inc).
> 4 Serial network interfaces.
> 128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
> 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)
>
> Configuration register is 0x2102
>
>
> Any body got any ideas?
>
> Mike Bambic
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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Info on new acadamic training centers in India!!

[RALPHJFRANCIS]

Hi ,

  Cisco is investing 10m $ to set up 34 Academic training centers in India
any one has more info on this..


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Re: CCIE R&S Going to be Replaced..!!

[Mark Mahoney]

[snip stuff]
> Remember that just because the route floats doesn't mean it's made of wood.
> If it weighs the same as a goose, then it's made of wood and of course, then
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Re: Guys, Help me urgently

[EA Louie]

Shahid - I'm still not clear on which interface is not showing up/up

You'll need to be much more specific for me to help...you might have a bad
serial interface on the 7000.  or maybe the interface is still shutdown? Try
moving your frame relay switch configuration to serial1/3 with all the
appropriate frame relay route statements and see what happens.

It's better that you send too much information than not enough.  Send the
results of these commands:

show interfaces - on the c7000
show run (or wr t) - on the c7000
write t (or show run) - on the hub router
the configuration of the router that has a down interface

here is the configuration as I understand it:
router1
  |
 s1/2
router2 - s1/0 c7000 s1/1 -- hub router3 (2 f/r maps dlci's)

now, which interface is down/down?

- Original Message -
From: Shahid Muhammad Shafi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: EA Louie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Guys, Help me urgently


> the interface at my switch is up as it is working for
> the other DLCI. I am using interfaces and map
> statements at the framerelay routers. No
> subinterfaces.
>
> The interface at third switch is Down/down
>
> --- EA Louie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ummm Shahid, what's the status of that 4th
> > interface?  Up/down?  down/down?
> >
> > did you use subinterfaces on the hub router, or a
> > frame-relay map statement?
> > (sounds like subinterfaces to me)
> >
> > or are you checking the interface status on the
> > 7000?
> >
> > If you post the "show ip interfaces brief" for all 4
> > routers, that would
> > help.  Posting the config of the "problem router"
> > would also help.
> >
> > -e-
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Shahid Muhammad Shafi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:13 PM
> > Subject: Guys, Help me urgently
> >
> >
> > > Dear forum
> > > I am setting up a lab for frame relay switching
> > using
> > > the secenario such that I have one 7000 router
> > acting
> > > as fr switch and three routers such as one is
> > acting
> > > as Hub and two are acting as spokes. The interface
> > > serial1/1 of 7000 is connected to the hub so i
> > have
> > > two routes statement there
> > >
> > > like
> > >
> > > frame-relay route 100 interface serial1/0 100
> > > frame-relay route 200 interface serial1/2 200
> > >
> > > on interface serial1/0
> > > frame-relay route 100 interface serial1/1 100
> > >
> > > on interface serial1/2
> > > frame-relay route 200 interface serial1/1 200
> > >
> > > i am getting only three actives and not one.
> > >
> > > Checked all the cabling, still not working
> > >
> > > Kindly help me out
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Shahid
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =
> > > Shahid Muhammad Shafi
> > > MSc Telecommunications Candidate
> > > University of Colorado Boulder
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Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Mark Mahoney]

Circusnuts wrote:
> 
 [snip]
> is about to be let go.  We call him Mr. Debug, the RSP melter (long story).

Jeesh!
How'd he melt the RSP? 
Thats gotta be a story worth tellin'!
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RE: Help with frame-relay switch configuration

[Louie Belt]

Make sure the cable you are using a cable with the DCE end plugged in to the
serial port.  You cannot set the clock rate if the cable has the DTE end
plugged in to the Serial port.

Use the command: show controllers

Louie

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mtxpert
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help with frame-relay switch configuration


I have a Cisco 4000 I just received and I can't get it to take clock on 2
interfaces at once.
Here's a copy of the config after I just typed "lock rate 56000" at the
config-if mode for serial 0.

Current configuration:
!
version 11.1
service udp-small-servers
service tcp-small-servers
!
hostname R4000
!
enable secret 5 $1$1ETI$xqeVrzT8qlamhBz1pI4ZA/
!
frame-relay switching
!
interface Serial0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 frame-relay route 301 interface Serial1 101
!
interface Serial1
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 clockrate 56000
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 frame-relay route 101 interface Serial3 301
!
interface Serial2
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Serial3
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay intf-type dce
!
no ip classless
!
!
line con 0
 password cisco
 login
line aux 0
 modem InOut
line vty 0 4
 password cisco
 login
!
end


Without applying clock the router won't allow the dlci's to map.
This is my first attempt with a 4000 router.
Here's the version output

Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) 4000 Software (XX-J-M), Version 11.1(14), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
Copyright (c) 1986-1997 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Thu 04-Sep-97 21:33 by tlane
Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0067166C

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.2(11a), RELEASE SOFTWARE
ROM: 4000 Bootstrap Software (XX-RXBOOT), Version 10.2(11a), RELEASE
SOFTWARE (f
c1)

R4000 uptime is 24 minutes
System restarted by power-on
System image file is "flash:xx-j-mz.111-14", booted via flash

cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xC0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of
memory.
Processor board ID 5032615
G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
Bridging software.
SuperLAT software copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp).
X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant.
TN3270 Emulation software (copyright 1994 by TGV Inc).
4 Serial network interfaces.
128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)

Configuration register is 0x2102


Any body got any ideas?

Mike Bambic
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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Louie Belt]

Actually, you are way too high on your estimate of CCIE's.  As of February
28th 2001 there are 5432 worldwide, 2476 are in the US.  A large number of
those work directly for Cisco.

The certification has been around since 1994 and the first CCIE was #1024

The CCIE World population can be viewed at:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html


Louie


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Brad Shifflett
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:42 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


My thought is if you can get all the way through the CCIE Lab and all, you
are determined to do the job. How many CCIE's are out there? 8000+-? I would
say from the low numbers, this exam is not easy, I have been in the field
for 7 years and just started to get my Cisco certification. I feel if I
would have started the Cisco stuff years ago, I would have not made it. The
material now is still pretty difficult to understand on some days. But, I
think the difference is, I am trying to understand it and learn it, not just
get by. I want to know the stuff inside and out. I am far from that, I know
alot of people that can take the exam, cram all week, and pass. But when it
comes to real world experience, it is over for them. Lets just weed out the
bad and let them fall on there faces. I like to help people, but if I know
this person is only a paper CXXX then I am not going to help them, it is up
to us real engineers to put these paper guys in there place, let them fall
down and you come up behind them and clean up the mess and save the day!
Happy testing!


Brad Shifflett
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Micromenders, Inc.



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From: Tony van Ree [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:08 PM
To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


Hi,

My two bobs worth,

Any qualification is as good as the paper it is written on.  In my
experience someone with an open mind, willing to learn, has acquired
knowledge, shares knowledge and works smart in an effort to acheive
excellence is what really counts.

The paper does indicate the person has at least seen the words and knows the
lingo, probably the acromymns and often has some understanding.  I have seen
many a good technical person, well qualified, knowledgable and understanding
come copletely unglued when put in a situation the person was not familiar
with.  The mark of the real expert is 'the real expert will seek, ask and
find' the details.  He knows how to extract the details.  Paper
qualifications particularly at a degree level indicates the person can
usually do this.

I understand the pride of having a bunch of letters after your name.
Personally I don't use them although I do have a copy of some of the certs I
have gained on my wall.  These are for my pride not to show others.

I have lost the pride in my qualifications because some have them and do not
share, care or attempt to understand.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia

PS.  I did think it strange when I read something by a Dr. Icant Remember
the name CCIE.
On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 08:01:23 AM, Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI wrote:

> Bravo!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:22 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
>
> This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view.
>
> I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
> are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same.
Just
> papers.
>
> I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
> I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set CCDA, CCNP and CCIE
> complete.
>
> I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx, switching, etc before
> taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning path version 11.2 and
> just recently obtain my degrees and working for the big one.
>
> What will be your opinion Do I know something or I am just papers?
>
> You sould be carefull on your opinion about this things, all the knowledge
> since a long time ago has been paper, No one has achieve glory after years
> of practice and experience.
>
> I was thinking that you are trying to do the same that the shareowners are
> doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating the value of the
> Certifications,
> why don't you do the same with the college and and graduate degrees, they
> are very similar just studying and passing examns not real life thing
until
> you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam thesis).
>
> Giga Internetworking
>
> Fer Saldana
>
>
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OT: What is DHCP+ ?

[jap_e]

Hello,

Does anyone know what DHCP+ is?=20
Is it another improvement on the existing DHCP protocol or something =
else altogether?
Another "invention" by Microsoft?
Any links that can point me to the right direction?

Thanks for the help!

Cheers, Eve

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ISDN

[Gayathri]

Hi,

Is there a way to simulate an ISDN connection in a lab setup?

I have 2 25xx routers.

thanks for the input

Gayathri






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Re:12.0.9 Enterprise Plus IOS, 25xx router

[Alex Lee]

Group,

Has anyone been successful in running this version of IOS with 8MB flash and
16 MB RAM on 25xx routers ?

The download site recommends minimum of 16 MB flash and 6 MB RAM.


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Re: Help with frame-relay switch configuration

[mtxpert]

I was moving the cable around between ports attempting to get the serial
interfaces to stay up. I forgot about the LMI configuration on 11.1. I'm
upgrading to 12.X tomorrow then I'll try again.
Thanks
Mike B.
""Neil Schneider"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> Are you intending to use serial 0 and 1 as the switched ports?  if so you
> have a config error in that S1 points to S3 not S0.  I know of no reason
you
> cannot put a clockrate command on S0 as well, is that the problem you are
> having?  I think you also need to set the LMI type for IOS 11.1
>
> Neil Schneider
> CCNP CCSI
>
> ""mtxpert"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> 998tg6$8l4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:998tg6$8l4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I have a Cisco 4000 I just received and I can't get it to take clock on
2
> > interfaces at once.
> > Here's a copy of the config after I just typed "lock rate 56000" at the
> > config-if mode for serial 0.
> >
> > Current configuration:
> > !
> > version 11.1
> > service udp-small-servers
> > service tcp-small-servers
> > !
> > hostname R4000
> > !
> > enable secret 5 $1$1ETI$xqeVrzT8qlamhBz1pI4ZA/
> > !
> > frame-relay switching
> > !
> > interface Serial0
> >  no ip address
> >  encapsulation frame-relay
> >  frame-relay intf-type dce
> >  frame-relay route 301 interface Serial1 101
> > !
> > interface Serial1
> >  no ip address
> >  encapsulation frame-relay
> >  clockrate 56000
> >  frame-relay intf-type dce
> >  frame-relay route 101 interface Serial3 301
> > !
> > interface Serial2
> >  no ip address
> >  shutdown
> > !
> > interface Serial3
> >  no ip address
> >  encapsulation frame-relay
> >  frame-relay intf-type dce
> > !
> > no ip classless
> > !
> > !
> > line con 0
> >  password cisco
> >  login
> > line aux 0
> >  modem InOut
> > line vty 0 4
> >  password cisco
> >  login
> > !
> > end
> >
> >
> > Without applying clock the router won't allow the dlci's to map.
> > This is my first attempt with a 4000 router.
> > Here's the version output
> >
> > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
> > IOS (tm) 4000 Software (XX-J-M), Version 11.1(14), RELEASE SOFTWARE
(fc1)
> > Copyright (c) 1986-1997 by cisco Systems, Inc.
> > Compiled Thu 04-Sep-97 21:33 by tlane
> > Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0067166C
> >
> > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.2(11a), RELEASE SOFTWARE
> > ROM: 4000 Bootstrap Software (XX-RXBOOT), Version 10.2(11a), RELEASE
> > SOFTWARE (f
> > c1)
> >
> > R4000 uptime is 24 minutes
> > System restarted by power-on
> > System image file is "flash:xx-j-mz.111-14", booted via flash
> >
> > cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xC0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of
> > memory.
> > Processor board ID 5032615
> > G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
> > Bridging software.
> > SuperLAT software copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp).
> > X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant.
> > TN3270 Emulation software (copyright 1994 by TGV Inc).
> > 4 Serial network interfaces.
> > 128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
> > 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)
> >
> > Configuration register is 0x2102
> >
> >
> > Any body got any ideas?
> >
> > Mike Bambic
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Secondary IP add

[Brian]

The why is because each interface address results in a connected route in
the routing table.  You can add multiple secondary interface addresses, just
add secondary to the end of the IP address config line.

Bri

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From: "Frank Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:00 PM
Subject: Secondary IP add


> Hi there,
>
> Could someone explain why (in some cases) is required to configure
secondary ip add and how to do it?. Is there any good doco (URL) you may
point me to.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Frank.
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Re: Secondary IP add

[Tony van Ree]

Hi,

You might want to add a secondary address to pick up another network on the same lan.  
You might for example have 16 addresses available on a network and have them on a lan. 
 You might increase your network by another 50 people and therefore require extra 
addresses.  These could be added as a secondary address range.

You might want to do it for security reasons.  Have a secure subnet and a secondary 
network.  This would allow you to do some access-list stuff and stop users on the LAN 
from accessing other devices on the LAN.

router#(config-if) ip address 10.10.10.0 255.255.255.224 secondary

(beware of the line wrap)

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia


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> Hi there,
> 
> Could someone explain why (in some cases) is required to configure secondary ip add 
>and how to do it?. Is there any good doco (URL) you may point me to.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank.
> 
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ISDN

[Gayathri]

Hi,

Is there a way to simulate an ISDN connection in a lab setup?

I have 2 25xx routers.

thanks for the input

Gayathri




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RE: vlans and trunking

[Jason Baker]

Yes i have had problems with vtp pruning not working correctly.

Regards,

Jason Baker
Network Engineer




-Original Message-
From: Frank Mendoza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:29 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: vlans and trunking


Robert,

VTP pruning is a good idea however,based on experience, I would suggest to
clear the vlans from the trunk instead of pruning them. I've seems this
protocol causing issues...

Frank.

>From: "Lopez, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Peter Van Oene'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: vlans and trunking
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:20:40 -0500
>Reply-To: "Lopez, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Pete,
>
>You are correct.  I will have to add the additional vlans manually.
However,
>another project that just got put on my plate is to look into the whole VTP
>issue.  Through my reading, I like the idea of the vtp pruning as well.
>What are your thoughts on VTP pruning?
>
>Robert 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Peter Van Oene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:06 PM
>To: Lopez, Robert; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: vlans and trunking
>
>
>Although its working, I suggest it may not be doing what you want it to.
>
>VTP transparent mode means that the VLAN config on each switch is only
>locally significant.  That means if you add a VLAN to a switch, you will
>have to go and add the same VLAN to every other switch, which is exactly
was
>VTP is intended to prevent :)
>
>If you would like VTP to work, it would be wise to configure a couple key
>switches as servers and set the rest to client mode.  Before doing this
>however, I highly suggest you read up on VTP and become comfortable with
the
>nuances before you begin a migration.
>
>Pete
>
>
>*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
>
>On 3/20/2001 at 11:54 AM Lopez, Robert wrote:
>
>>I just solved the problem.
>>
>>I needed the sc0 interface to be in vlan 100 - it was in vlan 1 by
default?
>>
>>As I compared the 5500 config against the 6509 configs, I found that on
the
>>6509's the VTP mode was set to transparent and on the 5500 it was set on
>>server.  I simply changed the mode to transparent on the 5500 and at that
>>point I was able to put sc0 in vlan 100.  I can see more vlan 1 on the
5500
>>trunk now.  I think I'm good to go!
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Peter Van Oene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:30 AM
>>To: Lopez, Robert
>>Subject: Re: vlans and trunking
>>
>>
>>ISL vs Q issues?  VTP issues? 
>>
>>*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
>>
>>On 3/20/2001 at 10:49 AM Lopez, Robert wrote:
>>
>>>I have the following scenario:
>>>
>>>6509-6509
>>>|   ||
>>>|   ||5500
>>>6509-6509
>>>
>>>The 6509's are in a full mesh (not in picture) and configured as trunks
on
>>>all links.  I've added the 5500 and configured two trunk ports. The trunk
>>>ports are configured on the two 6509's as it relates to the 5500 as well.

>>>
>>>When I do a sh trunk on the 5500,  I have a question as to why is it that
>>>only vlan1 shows up in the columns - 
>>>
>>>Vlans allowed and active in management domain 
>>>
>>>Vlans in spanning tree forwarding state and not pruned
>>>
>>>TIA for any suggestions!
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert M. Lopez   
>>>Network Planning
>>>Ann Arbor Data Center
>>>Pfizer Global Research & Development
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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Re: Dialer map v's Dialer String

[EA LOUIE]

g'day mate  ;-)

everything you ever wanted to know about dialer-maps, dialer-lists, and dialer
configs is contained in http://www.cisco.com  

more specifically, look at these links - 
Cisco TAC ISDN Support Page
http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/PSP/psp_view.pl?p=Internetworking:ISDN

sample configs for ISDN Dialing: (scroll down until you find ISDN)
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/700/configwan.html

BTW, dialer-map is the newer stuff, and more flexible in configuration.
Dialer string is how we used to have to do it (legacy commands), and required
2 B-channels which were unidirectional PPP connections.

good luck and have fun!

-e-

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> building a test network here after boss gave me another router to play
> with so I can get more cisco routing experience. (good boss huh). 
> Any way, I am looking at the dialer config and I would like to get some
> more info on configuring dialer interface and withing that, I would like
> to know the syntax for the dialer map command and if at all possible,
> the benefits of it opposed to the dialer srting command.
>  
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Re: Dialer map v's Dialer String

[EA LOUIE]

g'day mate  ;-)

everything you ever wanted to know about dialer-maps, dialer-lists, and dialer
configs is contained in http://www.cisco.com  

more specifically, look at these links - 
Cisco TAC ISDN Support Page
http://www.cisco.com/pcgi-bin/Support/PSP/psp_view.pl?p=Internetworking:ISDN

sample configs for ISDN Dialing: (scroll down until you find ISDN)
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/700/configwan.html

BTW, dialer-map is the newer stuff, and more flexible in configuration.
Dialer string is how we used to have to do it (legacy commands), and required
2 B-channels which were unidirectional PPP connections.

good luck and have fun!

-e-

"John Brandis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi poeples,
> building a test network here after boss gave me another router to play
> with so I can get more cisco routing experience. (good boss huh). 
> Any way, I am looking at the dialer config and I would like to get some
> more info on configuring dialer interface and withing that, I would like
> to know the syntax for the dialer map command and if at all possible,
> the benefits of it opposed to the dialer srting command.
>  
> Thanks @groupstudy members
>  
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Re: Fwd: How to Make Frame Relay Redundant?

[EA LOUIE]

Hey Raul...

depending on how many sites you need to restore, and how much bandwidth you
need for restoral, Basic Rate ISDN is still a pretty good solution that I've
implemented before.  The configuration is a little tricky and takes a keen
mind to implement successfully...but basically, the remote routers have a
floating static route to the BRI interface and it can dial the central site
backup router.

Another possible solution that I've used is to have a 2nd serial interface at
the remote site with a low speed connection to the Internet, and configure
encrypted tunnels from there to your central backup router or central site
Internet access router.  Again, depending on the number of sites, that
solution might not be cost effective.

your design will have to take into account the following issues:
1.  How many simultaneous circuit failures you want to cover
2.  What will trigger bringing up the restoral circuit automatically (for
example, hard frame relay interface failure on the remote end, circuit
failure, loss of routes, etc.), or will it be done manually?
3.  Which side of the circuit will initiate the restoral session (remote
inwards or central outwards?)
4.  If automatic, whether you can disable the restoral during off-business
hours and weekends (especially for automatic ISDN restoral where long-distance
and per-minute usage charges apply)
5.  How much bandwidth is necessary as a backup to keep the remote sides
productive.
6.  Some sort of cost/benefit analysis based on the various possible
solutions.
7.  Whether you need to limit the network access from the remote sites when
the frame relay circuit goes down (that is, maybe they're only permitted to
access corporate resources like email and intranet web servers, and deny
access to the Internet so that those pesky MP3 downloads don't hog all the
bandwidth)
8.  Making sure you address all the security issues that arise from switched
or over-the-Internet restoral


"Raul De La Garza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First, thanks for all of your comments.  All were very helpful.
> 
> Next, obviously I wasn't very clear in my previous message.  I did not 
> mention that both router redundancy and FR redundancy are important to the 
> company I currently work for.  And, we currently have one router already in

> place as our primary FR router.  The 3640 I propose in my earlier message is

> an extra in the event the other 'box' dies.  While it is more likely that an

> outage would result from the provider I would like to cover all bases 
> possible on the 'inside of the smartjack'.
> 
> Again, thanks for all of your suggestions.  I particularly like the idea of

> a backup PVC.  I may explore that option further.
> 
> May God bless,
> 
> Raul
> 
> P.S. To Victor, I am from Texas, USA
> 
> 
> >From: "Raul De La Garza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: "Raul De La Garza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: How to Make Frame Relay Redundant?
> >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:16:15 -0600
> >
> >Please forgive me if this topic has already been explored.
> >
> >I am considering the purchase of a 3640 in order to provide Internet
access
> >to our office at 100 Mbps.  I will outfit it with 2 10/100 2-port modules.
> >
> >I am also considering making our Frame Relay network redundant by adding 
> >two
> >1-port T1 w/CSU WICs, however, with only two FR lines coming in how would
I
> >make this a fault tolerant solution without having to obtain two more FR
> >circuits?  HSRP is definitely being considered.  Obviously, an Ethernet
hub
> >or switch is out of the question.
> >
> >Any help you could provide would be greatly appreciated.
> >
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RE: Good IOS images

[Robert Padjen]

Our recommended version for 25xx from Cisco is
12.0.12, and not to use 11.3. GD releases are
preferred. It is good to note that ISPs frequently
need to run all types of releases for features and
fixes, with a preferrence for GD. I don't know of many
that are successful though!


--- Charlie Hartwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, I think the words "it depends" were written
> specifically for this
> question.
> 
> When you go to the Cisco IOS planner page look for
> images with the
> letters "GD" after them. This means General
> Deployment and you'll
> find a lot of ISP's and large corporates use these
> because they are
> considered stable. Around the 12.0(13) or 11.2(22)
> releases should be
> GD (I can't remember exactly).
> 
> On the other hand, if you are just using this for a
> bit of practise
> at home then get the very newest image that your
> memory can handle
> (12.2(1) should be out now) so you can play with all
> of the latest
> shiny, spinny features that won't work properly yet.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Charlie
> 
> --- "Belt, Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 
> > Louie
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Roberts, Timothy
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Sent: 3/20/01 1:15 PM
> > Subject: Good IOS images
> > 
> > 
> > What is a goof IOS image in the 11.3 class and the
> 12.0 class for
> > the
> > 2501
> > series?
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Re: Help with frame-relay switch configuration

[Neil Schneider]

Are you intending to use serial 0 and 1 as the switched ports?  if so you
have a config error in that S1 points to S3 not S0.  I know of no reason you
cannot put a clockrate command on S0 as well, is that the problem you are
having?  I think you also need to set the LMI type for IOS 11.1

Neil Schneider
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""mtxpert"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
998tg6$8l4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:998tg6$8l4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I have a Cisco 4000 I just received and I can't get it to take clock on 2
> interfaces at once.
> Here's a copy of the config after I just typed "lock rate 56000" at the
> config-if mode for serial 0.
>
> Current configuration:
> !
> version 11.1
> service udp-small-servers
> service tcp-small-servers
> !
> hostname R4000
> !
> enable secret 5 $1$1ETI$xqeVrzT8qlamhBz1pI4ZA/
> !
> frame-relay switching
> !
> interface Serial0
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay
>  frame-relay intf-type dce
>  frame-relay route 301 interface Serial1 101
> !
> interface Serial1
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay
>  clockrate 56000
>  frame-relay intf-type dce
>  frame-relay route 101 interface Serial3 301
> !
> interface Serial2
>  no ip address
>  shutdown
> !
> interface Serial3
>  no ip address
>  encapsulation frame-relay
>  frame-relay intf-type dce
> !
> no ip classless
> !
> !
> line con 0
>  password cisco
>  login
> line aux 0
>  modem InOut
> line vty 0 4
>  password cisco
>  login
> !
> end
>
>
> Without applying clock the router won't allow the dlci's to map.
> This is my first attempt with a 4000 router.
> Here's the version output
>
> Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
> IOS (tm) 4000 Software (XX-J-M), Version 11.1(14), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
> Copyright (c) 1986-1997 by cisco Systems, Inc.
> Compiled Thu 04-Sep-97 21:33 by tlane
> Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0067166C
>
> ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.2(11a), RELEASE SOFTWARE
> ROM: 4000 Bootstrap Software (XX-RXBOOT), Version 10.2(11a), RELEASE
> SOFTWARE (f
> c1)
>
> R4000 uptime is 24 minutes
> System restarted by power-on
> System image file is "flash:xx-j-mz.111-14", booted via flash
>
> cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xC0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of
> memory.
> Processor board ID 5032615
> G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
> Bridging software.
> SuperLAT software copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp).
> X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant.
> TN3270 Emulation software (copyright 1994 by TGV Inc).
> 4 Serial network interfaces.
> 128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
> 4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)
>
> Configuration register is 0x2102
>
>
> Any body got any ideas?
>
> Mike Bambic
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Secondary IP add

[Frank Mendoza]

Hi there,

Could someone explain why (in some cases) is required to configure secondary ip add 
and how to do it?. Is there any good doco (URL) you may point me to.

Thanks,

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Dialer map v's Dialer String

[John Brandis]

Hi poeples,
building a test network here after boss gave me another router to play
with so I can get more cisco routing experience. (good boss huh). 
Any way, I am looking at the dialer config and I would like to get some
more info on configuring dialer interface and withing that, I would like
to know the syntax for the dialer map command and if at all possible,
the benefits of it opposed to the dialer srting command.
 
Thanks @groupstudy members
 
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blackouts

[EA LOUIE]

San Diego...our first "corporate" rolling blackout as far as I know...but
SDG&E is still rolling the blackouts from area to area today...I can just see
the lawsuits that are going to come from this for business damages...yikes!

-e-

Scott Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:19:54 PST
> >From: EA LOUIE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> 
> snip
> 
> >(now I'm feeling like having a breath mint... hmmm.. what's up with
> that?
> >"It's two, two, two mints in one")
> >
> >LOL... I should be so jolly after a one-hour rolling blackout at my
> office!
> 
> Are you in norther or southern CA?
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RE: Multiple T1's

[Vijay Ramcharan]

In this scenario, is it possible to use a "backup interface" command along
with "backup load" and "backup delay" commands to achieve redundancy and
load balancing?  Providing that both T1's are correctly configured and are
connected to the same router?

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Howard C. Berkowitz
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Multiple T1's


At 02:12 PM 3/20/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>If you are running EIGRP as your routing protocol, it will take care of the
>load balancing for you without the added complexity and CPU overhead of PPP
>multilink.
>
>There are some great EIGRP config guides on CCO.
>
>Chris Lemagie


I don't understand what advantage EIGRP would give.   First, no routing
protocol load balances.  It is the routing table
task that makes the final decision about load balancing, with the mode
dependent
on the switching modes of the output interfaces.

Second, any routing protocol, except standard BGP (i.e., without Cisco
extensions) and
OSPF externals, can produce equal-cost routes eligible for load balancing.

EIGRP and IGRP can produce unequal-cost routes eligible for load balancing,
but the media here specifically are equal cost


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>Brian
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:57 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Multiple T1's
>
>
>On each end, static route traffic out both interfaces.
>
> Bri
>"Jason Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another
office.
>We
> > want these 2 t1's to not
> > only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
> > balance while they are both up.
> > So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of
bandwidth
> > and if one goes down for it
> > to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have
3600
> > series routers on both ends. Can
> > this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
> > stuff, but it seems to be only for
> > async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!
> >
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Help with frame-relay switch configuration

[mtxpert]

I have a Cisco 4000 I just received and I can't get it to take clock on 2
interfaces at once.
Here's a copy of the config after I just typed "lock rate 56000" at the
config-if mode for serial 0.

Current configuration:
!
version 11.1
service udp-small-servers
service tcp-small-servers
!
hostname R4000
!
enable secret 5 $1$1ETI$xqeVrzT8qlamhBz1pI4ZA/
!
frame-relay switching
!
interface Serial0
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 frame-relay route 301 interface Serial1 101
!
interface Serial1
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 clockrate 56000
 frame-relay intf-type dce
 frame-relay route 101 interface Serial3 301
!
interface Serial2
 no ip address
 shutdown
!
interface Serial3
 no ip address
 encapsulation frame-relay
 frame-relay intf-type dce
!
no ip classless
!
!
line con 0
 password cisco
 login
line aux 0
 modem InOut
line vty 0 4
 password cisco
 login
!
end


Without applying clock the router won't allow the dlci's to map.
This is my first attempt with a 4000 router.
Here's the version output

Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software
IOS (tm) 4000 Software (XX-J-M), Version 11.1(14), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)
Copyright (c) 1986-1997 by cisco Systems, Inc.
Compiled Thu 04-Sep-97 21:33 by tlane
Image text-base: 0x00012000, data-base: 0x0067166C

ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 5.2(11a), RELEASE SOFTWARE
ROM: 4000 Bootstrap Software (XX-RXBOOT), Version 10.2(11a), RELEASE
SOFTWARE (f
c1)

R4000 uptime is 24 minutes
System restarted by power-on
System image file is "flash:xx-j-mz.111-14", booted via flash

cisco 4000 (68030) processor (revision 0xC0) with 16384K/4096K bytes of
memory.
Processor board ID 5032615
G.703/E1 software, Version 1.0.
Bridging software.
SuperLAT software copyright 1990 by Meridian Technology Corp).
X.25 software, Version 2.0, NET2, BFE and GOSIP compliant.
TN3270 Emulation software (copyright 1994 by TGV Inc).
4 Serial network interfaces.
128K bytes of non-volatile configuration memory.
4096K bytes of processor board System flash (Read/Write)

Configuration register is 0x2102


Any body got any ideas?

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Re: Questions for Cisco switches

[Frank Mendoza]

Cat6k can be set up in 2 different ways:
1- Hybrid mode or
2- Native (with the Kosmos version)

The 1st one have 2 images, 1 for the switch engine (CLI commands) and 1 for the MSFC 
(Router daughter card).  The 2nd mode (Kosmos) only have 1 image that controls both, 
switch and router engine. It will look like IOS router.

Note: I personally prefer the hybrid (less bugs).

Frank. 


>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: "Jit Cherng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Questions for Cisco switches
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:57:51 +0800
>Reply-To: "Jit Cherng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>for future new catalyst series, I will presumed they will implement IOS
>based command right?
>
>
>
>""Shreerang Vaidya"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> Hi there,
>> Yes there are 2 kinds OS that run on switches
>>
>> 1)IOS based- They use CLI like the one used on routers , eg 1900,2900.
>>
>> 2) The other ones are the older SET based CLI configuration  commands. e.g
>> 2926 series , the 4000, and the 5000 and the 6000 series.
>>
>>
>> Anything else u want to know , lemme know
>>
>> Regards,
>> Shreerang Vaidya
>> Networks Manager
>> CyberQuest Systems Ltd.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hunt Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>> > Can anyone please tell me if there are 2 types of Cisco switches? Is it
>> > one uses Set commands, while the other is IOS based? Any help is greatly
>> > appreciated.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Hunt Lee
>> > IP Solution Analyst
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RE: vlans and trunking

[Frank Mendoza]

Robert,

VTP pruning is a good idea however,based on experience, I would suggest to clear the 
vlans from the trunk instead of pruning them. I've seems this protocol causing 
issues...

Frank.

>From: "Lopez, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Peter Van Oene'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: vlans and trunking
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:20:40 -0500
>Reply-To: "Lopez, Robert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Pete,
>
>You are correct.  I will have to add the additional vlans manually. However,
>another project that just got put on my plate is to look into the whole VTP
>issue.  Through my reading, I like the idea of the vtp pruning as well.
>What are your thoughts on VTP pruning?
>
>Robert 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Peter Van Oene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:06 PM
>To: Lopez, Robert; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: vlans and trunking
>
>
>Although its working, I suggest it may not be doing what you want it to.
>
>VTP transparent mode means that the VLAN config on each switch is only
>locally significant.  That means if you add a VLAN to a switch, you will
>have to go and add the same VLAN to every other switch, which is exactly was
>VTP is intended to prevent :)
>
>If you would like VTP to work, it would be wise to configure a couple key
>switches as servers and set the rest to client mode.  Before doing this
>however, I highly suggest you read up on VTP and become comfortable with the
>nuances before you begin a migration.
>
>Pete
>
>
>*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
>
>On 3/20/2001 at 11:54 AM Lopez, Robert wrote:
>
>>I just solved the problem.
>>
>>I needed the sc0 interface to be in vlan 100 - it was in vlan 1 by default?
>>
>>As I compared the 5500 config against the 6509 configs, I found that on the
>>6509's the VTP mode was set to transparent and on the 5500 it was set on
>>server.  I simply changed the mode to transparent on the 5500 and at that
>>point I was able to put sc0 in vlan 100.  I can see more vlan 1 on the 5500
>>trunk now.  I think I'm good to go!
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Peter Van Oene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:30 AM
>>To: Lopez, Robert
>>Subject: Re: vlans and trunking
>>
>>
>>ISL vs Q issues?  VTP issues? 
>>
>>*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***
>>
>>On 3/20/2001 at 10:49 AM Lopez, Robert wrote:
>>
>>>I have the following scenario:
>>>
>>>6509-6509
>>>|   ||
>>>|   ||5500
>>>6509-6509
>>>
>>>The 6509's are in a full mesh (not in picture) and configured as trunks on
>>>all links.  I've added the 5500 and configured two trunk ports. The trunk
>>>ports are configured on the two 6509's as it relates to the 5500 as well. 
>>>
>>>When I do a sh trunk on the 5500,  I have a question as to why is it that
>>>only vlan1 shows up in the columns - 
>>>
>>>Vlans allowed and active in management domain 
>>>
>>>Vlans in spanning tree forwarding state and not pruned
>>>
>>>TIA for any suggestions!
>>>
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Robert M. Lopez   
>>>Network Planning
>>>Ann Arbor Data Center
>>>Pfizer Global Research & Development
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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RE: CCNA Pass Mark

[Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI]

The time is 75 minutes,

Mark,

-Original Message-
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Sent:   Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:12 PM
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Subject:RE: CCNA Pass Mark

I can verify the same, 849 to pass, 65 questions, I believe the time is 90
minutes. Tough exam, but passed with a 881.

Brad Shifflett
CCNA, MCSE, CNA
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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCNA Pass Mark


849 to pass is correct. I took the test a little over a week ago and 849 is
passing according to the Score Report that prints out.

Dan Kline

"Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> No anymore! It is 65 questions, 849 to pass.
>
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>
> 65 questions, 822 to pass
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:04 AM
> Subject: CCNA Pass Mark
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have read 2 conflicting reports on the number of questions and passing
=
> > mark for CCNA 2.0, one from Examcram while another from Que.
> >
> > Could someone tell me the ACTUAL number of questions,time frame given =
> > and passing mark?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Tan
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Free to good home: Cisco doc CDs

[Jon]

I'm still seeing folks buying documentation CDs on eBay -- some for
more than $10, then add shipping.  I remember a while back, some kind
folks were offering up their spare CD sets to folks that would use them
to study.

Since we've just had a nice shipment of new Cisco toys for me to play
with (and more arriving next week), I thought I'd offer up the
resulting pile of a dozen or so Cisco doc CDs.  I'll even pay for the
stamps to get it there, so only US addresses, please.

Promise you won't just turn around and try to sell it yourself on eBay,
that wouldn't be very nice.  They're all 12/00 copies, if there's a
more recent CD set, I've not seen it.

Reply to this with your snail mail address, and I'll get them in the
mail by the weekend.

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Practice Tests

[Marcus A. Henry]

Hi All:
I'm new to the group and going for my CCNP.  I've just finished reading
Syngress / Osborne Routing Study Guide 640 - 503.  My question is, can
anyone suggest  where to get  practice tests.

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RE: Multiple T1's

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

At 02:12 PM 3/20/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>If you are running EIGRP as your routing protocol, it will take care of the
>load balancing for you without the added complexity and CPU overhead of PPP
>multilink.
>
>There are some great EIGRP config guides on CCO.
>
>Chris Lemagie


I don't understand what advantage EIGRP would give.   First, no routing 
protocol load balances.  It is the routing table
task that makes the final decision about load balancing, with the mode 
dependent
on the switching modes of the output interfaces.

Second, any routing protocol, except standard BGP (i.e., without Cisco 
extensions) and
OSPF externals, can produce equal-cost routes eligible for load balancing.

EIGRP and IGRP can produce unequal-cost routes eligible for load balancing,
but the media here specifically are equal cost


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>Brian
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:57 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Multiple T1's
>
>
>On each end, static route traffic out both interfaces.
>
> Bri
>"Jason Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>998ndv$1fh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:998ndv$1fh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another office.
>We
> > want these 2 t1's to not
> > only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
> > balance while they are both up.
> > So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of bandwidth
> > and if one goes down for it
> > to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have 3600
> > series routers on both ends. Can
> > this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
> > stuff, but it seems to be only for
> > async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!
> >
> >
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Re: Syngress CCDA book (off topic?) [1:2745]

[Howard C. Berkowitz]

At 04:49 PM 3/20/2001 -0500, Greg Macaulay wrote:
>If I were you -- I'd buy the DCN book (Cisco Press) and read it carefully.
>Also, if you have CCO access, take the COLT tests -- and take them over and
>over again -- and research any answers you get wrong.  I studied for the
>CCDA for 14 days and took the COLT tests every morning and every night --
>and three times yesterday when I took the exam (944).  Lastly, review your
>CCNA material -- at least a day or two.  That should do it.
>
>Greg Macaulay, MCSE, CCNP, CCDA (newly minted!) (other certs and degrees not
>listed!)
>The oldest CCNP/CCDA in the world!!!
>Lifetime member of AARP


I wasn't aware the AppleTalk Address Resolution Protocol had a membership
function; I tend to associate membership more with multicast.

Congratulations!

>Don't mind my bout of bragging -- I'm still euphoric over passing the CCDA
>in 14 days! I'll be back to normal by tomorrow!!
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Scott Robbins
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:22 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Syngress CCDA book (off topic?) [1:2745]
>
>
>I know this list is primarily for CCNA, so hope people will excuse my asking
>the question here.
>
>At any rate, looking at various books in the bookstore, the Syngress book
>seems a little more meaty than the Sybex one by Mr. Lammle.  I'm wondering
>if anyone has used the Syngress book for the CCDA and if so, how did they
>find it.  I figure I'll use that one as the "light reading" and the Cisco
>Press one as the in depth book.
>Again, I'm not sure if this is considered off-topic for this list--if it is,
>then please accept my apologies.
>
>
>TIA
>Scott
>
>
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RE: Cat 6509 auto reload

[Mark_Carroll]

Its actually a problem with Windows 2000 and the way the Serial port outputs
the signal

SGP... are you seeing it on W2K on that Thinkpad??

Mark

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I've seen this with other Cisco switches and Dell laptops.  Basically, the
laptop is sending out weird signals out the serial port during the reboot.
These weird voltages somehow screw up the catalyst, and cause it to reboot.
The only solution I've found is to disconnect the serial cable during laptop
reboots, and don't connect it to the switch until after HyperTerminal is
happily running.

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Subject: Cat 6509 auto reload


Hi guys
I encountered a bizarre situation whereby the Cat 6509
is automatically reloaded after I rebooted my IBM
Thinkpad.  The connection is via Thinkpad serial port
to the switch's console.  At that moment, there is no
hyperterm session and the notebook is running NT4
workstation.  Anyone has input on this?

Cheers
Kevin

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Re: Questions for Cisco switches

[Tony van Ree]

Hi all,

It's funny how the poor little 1900's don't get a mention.  They have a different OS 
again to either the CAT5000 style or the IOS.

Just a thought,

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia


On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 11:17:17 PM, Shreerang Vaidya wrote:

> Hi there,
> Yes there are 2 kinds OS that run on switches
> 
> 1)IOS based- They use CLI like the one used on routers , eg 1900,2900.
> 
> 2) The other ones are the older SET based CLI configuration  commands. e.g
> 2926 series , the 4000, and the 5000 and the 6000 series.
> 
> 
> Anything else u want to know , lemme know
> 
> Regards,
> Shreerang Vaidya
> Networks Manager
> CyberQuest Systems Ltd.
> 
> 
> 
> Hunt Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > one uses Set commands, while the other is IOS based? Any help is greatly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hunt Lee
> > IP Solution Analyst
> > Cable and Wireless (Sydney)
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RE: DHCP

[elange]

This may sound like a stupid question but do you have UDP control enabled?

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From: Charles Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DHCP


Can someone help out with this, please.

I connected a Cisco 2600 to  a 3COM Netbuilder, which also have a DHCP =
server connected to it on a different subnet. A PC connected to the =
Cisco can't get an IP address from the DHCP server. I have used these =
commands 'IP helper address' and 'IP forward address udp' but the PC =
still cant pick up an IP address. Can you help!=20

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Re: DHCP

[Vincent]

1) Failed to get ip address first starup your pc, right?

2) Can you get renew the ip address once your pc power up your pc?


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> Can someone help out with this, please.
>
> I connected a Cisco 2600 to  a 3COM Netbuilder, which also have a DHCP =
> server connected to it on a different subnet. A PC connected to the =
> Cisco can't get an IP address from the DHCP server. I have used these =
> commands 'IP helper address' and 'IP forward address udp' but the PC =
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Re: CCNP-Routing Study Guide

[Brian]

They all have errors, befriend the corresponding errata pages.

Bri

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> Greetings everyone,
>
> I am getting ready to start studying for my CCNP Routing Exam.What books
> would you recommend?  I've heard good things about "CCNP Routing Exam
> Certification Guide" by Clare Gough (Cisco Press) and "CCNP: Routing Study
> Guide" by Todd Lammle.
> --
> Kind regards,
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Re: CCIE written exam

[Lurker]

No


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New CCNP

[Kane, Christopher A.]

Wanted to pass along a thanks to all of the great posts. I passed my final 2
tests and now have my CCNP. I think I'm going to give the CCDP a try before
I head on to the CCIE.

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Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Scott Ramos]

>Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:19:54 PST
>From: EA LOUIE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

snip

>(now I'm feeling like having a breath mint... hmmm.. what's up with
that?
>"It's two, two, two mints in one")
>
>LOL... I should be so jolly after a one-hour rolling blackout at my
office!

Are you in norther or southern CA?

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Re: how to check statistics on a single nat entry

[Brian Lodwick]

#show ip nat translations

>>>Brian

>From: Adam Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Adam Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: how to check statistics on a single nat entry
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:19:36 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hi group
>
>How would I check statistics on a single nat entry
>show ip nat statistics will give me the whole picture,
>not individual entries.
>
>Thanks
>
>Adam
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Re: voulnteer

[Circusnuts]

Try the Cisco Network Academy.  I have a friend who started there & I
believe the agreement comes with a little pay (something like $2000 for 30
days work).

Good Luck, you have the right attitude !!!
Phil

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> How about at a school? They often need help and can have pretty
interesting
> networks.
>
> At 11:30 PM 3/19/01, seifu argaw wrote:
> >I have CCNA.Since I don't have experience I can't find
> >a job.It has been 8 months since I looked for a job.I
> >leave in San Jose,CA now I am looking for volunteer
> >job but I don't know where to look for it.I called
> >some companies but they don't need free service so
> >does any one can tell me how to get volunteer job?
> >  thank you
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Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Allen May]

Damn and I missed out on another 30 cents...haha.

I'm not sure why this is even discussed...like you said..it's in the eyes of
the beerholder...er...hiring manager.  (I was thinking beauty..sorry).

hehe...thought I'd give 2 cents back to the group since I cashed in on a
bunch of it ;)

- Original Message -
From: "EA LOUIE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Allen May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


> No way, Allen... you already cashed it in about 15 messages ago on this
thread
> - no fair cashing in twice   ;-)
>
> and I actually think this has been a healthy thread.  There seem to be
these
> camps, from what I've read:
>
> 1.  Certs add value regardless of a person's experience in industry - it's
a
> willingness to learn.
> 2.  Experience adds value and meaning to the Certs - it's an enhancement
to
> your experience and something that is in written recognizable form.
> 3.  Certs get your foot into the otherwise closed, air-tight door - it's
an
> indication that the person is trained and knowledgeable to some extent on
the
> techonology, and therefore less risky to hire than a non-certified
(possibly
> experienced) person
>
> Thank goodness no one has presented the argument that Certs are a bad
thing
> ;-)
>
> All of the positions have validity.  The original poster was concerned
about
> VALUE DILUTION of the certs with all the folks who were "jumping on the
> bandwagon" versus those of us who have been in the job and are uncertified
and
> working on our certs.  This raised the issue of "what's more important or
> holds more value... the Cert or experience?"  And that's been tossed
around
> alot in the past 20 or so messages.  Value, fortunately, lies in the eyes
of
> the hiring manager, so if you can convince HIM one way or another,
whichever
> way you want to sway it, more power to you!
>
> (now I'm feeling like having a breath mint... hmmm.. what's up with that?
> "It's two, two, two mints in one")
>
> LOL... I should be so jolly after a one-hour rolling blackout at my
office!
>
> -e-
>
> "Allen May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'm still ready to stop this thread and cash in on all the 2 cents
thrown
> > in.
> > ;)
> >
> > Allen
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:55 AM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> >
> >
> > > I believe that there are two distinctions that should
> > > be made - and that you may disagree with. At least for
> > > the bachelors degree, the experience is just that -
> > > well beyond the actual academics. In addition, the
> > > focus of the GE portion of the program is to diversify
> > > - humanities, science, language, amongst others. This
> > > is one of the limitations to the Cisco (and other)
> > > certifications as the certifications present a myopic
> > > view.
> > >
> > > The second distinction is that I would contend neither
> > > represents more than the sum of its components, and
> > > that value is perceived. For example, if I graduated
> > > Stanford with a 2.1 GPA, as opposed to San Diego State
> > > with a 4.0, which school would be a better hire? Few
> > > resumes I see have the GPA, and, regardless, a lot of
> > > folks use the name...
> > >
> > >
> > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point
> > > > of view.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP,
> > > > DA, DP and IE written
> > > > are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate
> > > > studies worth the same. Just
> > > > papers.
> > > >
> > > > I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing
> > > > all the cisco stuff.
> > > > I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set
> > > > CCDA, CCNP and CCIE complete.
> > > >
> > > > I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx,
> > > > switching, etc before
> > > > taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning
> > > > path version 11.2 and
> > > > just recently obtain my degrees and working for the
> > > > big one.
> > > >
> > > > What will be your opinion Do I know something or I
> > > > am just papers?
> > > >
> > > > You sould be carefull on your opinion about this
> > > > things, all the knowledge
> > > > since a long time ago has been paper, No one has
> > > > achieve glory after years
> > > > of practice and experience.
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking that you are trying to do the same
> > > > that the shareowners are
> > > > doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating
> > > > the value of the Certifications,
> > > > why don't you do the same with the college and and
> > > > graduate degrees, they
> > > > are very similar just studying and passing examns
> > > > not real life thing until
> > > > you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam
> > > 

RE: ISIS / IRB and BVI interfaces

[McCallum, Robert]

Here is the Output

SHOW CLNS IS-NEIGH

.3201.CAA1 BV1 Init   L2   128   .3201.CC7E.4Phase V
.3201.CA4D BV1 Init   L2   128   .3201.CC7E.4Phase V
.3201.CA73 BV1 Init   L2   128   .3201.CC7E.4Phase V
.3201.CAAA BV1 Init   L2   128   .3201.CC7E.4Phase V

spot the init state of the neighbor yet it still seems to see the snpa
address of the next hop.

DEBUG ISIS ADJ

06:49:10: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Interface level mismatch, BVI1
06:49:10: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Rec L1 IIH from .3201.cc7b (BVI1), ci
r type L1L2, cir id .3201.CC7B.53, length 1497
06:49:10: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Interface level mismatch, BVI1
06:49:10: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Rec L1 IIH from .3201.cacd (BVI1), ci
r type L1L2, cir id .3201.CADD.29, length 1497
06:49:10: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Interface level mismatch, BVI1
06:49:10: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Rec L1 IIH from .3201.cbe8 (BVI1), ci
r type L1L2, cir id .3201.CBE8.15, length 1497
06:49:10: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Interface level mismatch, BVI1
06:49:11: ISIS-Adj (Hillington): Rec L1 IIH from .3201.cc78 (BVI1), ci
r type L1L2, cir id .3201.CC78.51, length 1497

note it complains that the circuit type of the bvi is level1-2.

config for the bvi interface

interface BVI1
 no ip address
 clns router isis Hillington
 isis circuit-type level-2-only


-Original Message-
From: Kerman, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 March 2001 18:22
To: 'McCallum, Robert'
Subject: RE: ISIS / IRB and BVI interfaces


What is the output from "debug isis adj packets"?

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From: McCallum, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:24 AM
To: 'Kevin Wigle'; McCallum, Robert; 'Ccielab' (E-mail);
Cisco@Groupstudy. Com (E-mail); a bratchell; graham; john bermingham;
jolash; kash; martin; nigel; paul frost; peter norberg; phil
Subject: RE: ISIS / IRB and BVI interfaces


i'm afraid not.  MTU is 1500 on every interface.

Nice try though!

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 20 March 2001 16:29
To: McCallum, Robert; 'Ccielab' (E-mail); Cisco@Groupstudy. Com
(E-mail); a bratchell; graham; john bermingham; jolash; kash; martin;
nigel; paul frost; peter norberg; phil
Subject: Re: ISIS / IRB and BVI interfaces


ok, not the exact situation but similar.

We built a circuit that bridges ATM with a LAN extension service.

This required a BVI on the core router.  The far end was just another
Ethernet router for all intents and purposes.

Now, I haven't yet touched ISIS or clns - but when we first tried to get
OSPF working across the link it would not form an adjacency.  Show ip ospf
neigh revealed EXSTART/DR on the remote router.

On the core router a bridge-group is defined and the ATM sub-interfaced
placed into it.

This immediately set the mtu for the BVI to 4470 bytes - of course we didn't
know that at the time!

On the remote router we observed "debug ip ospf adj" and one of the errors
we saw was words to the effect: "Nbr x.x.x.x has larger interface MTU"

Checked everything, saw the BVI at 4470 and changed it with the command "mtu
1500".

Pop! OSPF formed its adjacency and everything works fine.

Perhaps this is something to look into for your situation.

Kevin Wigle

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To: "'Ccielab' (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cisco@Groupstudy. Com
(E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "a bratchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "jolash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "kash"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "nigel"
; "paul frost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "peter
norberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: ISIS / IRB and BVI interfaces


> Hello,
>
> a little while ago robert devito posted a problem very similar to the one
> that I am now experiencing.  At the time I tried to help to fix his
problem
> but I am unsure if Robert got a solution from anyone.  I said at the time
> that he was mad to try it but unfortunately now I have to do it for "live"
> work.  For those of you who never read Roberts initial problem it is very
> similar to the one below. please help if you can.
>
>
> 1 router.  1 interface is bridged with clns clients on it.  the other
> interface is routed with a isis server.
>
> The solution should be as easy as enabling IRB and to route clns.
Problem.
>
> ISIS tries in vain to establish adjacencies with these clients.  It
> constantly sits in the INIT state.
>
> People on the first post wrote back to say try to do bridge irb and maybe
> the circuits aren't t correct etc etc.  All of these whilst useful did not
> work as they were already configured properly.
>
> My hunch (and its a scary one),  What type of interface is a BVI?  We all
> know that ISIS will only operate correctly over a point to point or a
> broadcast

Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...

[Pamela Forsyth]

Yipe.  I just now noticed this thread, and it breaks my heart to hear
stories like this.

Global Knowledge classes are guaranteed.  I'm not sure Heather could get
her money back inasmuch as she did sit the entire class, but I am certain
they will let her sit the class again with a more experienced instructor.
Hey, I'm teaching BSCN in Arlington, VA for Global Knowledge the week of
April 23 . . . not scheduled for any Texas trips any time soon.

For future reference, Global Knowledge WILL refund your money or
reschedule you if you return your materials to the instructor by the end
of the first day.  Instructors are supposed to emphasize that during the
introductory remarks.

When you schedule the class, talk to the customer service people and ask
them about the instructor.  The best questions to ask are, "how long has
this person been a Cisco-certified instructor," and "how many times has
this person taught this class."  The instructor schedules are published
about a month in advance of the classes.

I hope you won't get a bad impression of all Global Knowledge instructors
because of this one.  I have had the distinct pleasure of auditing BSCN,
CATM and OSPF/BGP classes since joining Global Knowledge, and the
instructors in each case were outstanding in every way, but beyond
outstanding in terms of technical knowledge.  And I'm a tough critic,
believe me.  For example, how about having CATM taught by someone who
participated in the development of the protocols as a member of the ATM
Forum working groups?  Or BGP taught by someone whose consulting practice
focuses on designing networks for national ISPs.  And of course, the
groupstudy.com founder, Paul Borghese, is a Global Knowledge instructor.
;-)

Pamela

On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:

> At 05:05 AM 3/20/01, Circusnuts wrote:
> >No Way Priscilla...
> >
> >"wr" is all it takes when hammering across the Hyper Term window ;-)  I
> >agree- that class sounds like a bummer.  With you time in the field, what
> >have you heard about refunds or complaints in cases such as this ???
>
> I say she should go for it. Most training partners are very concerned with
> customer satisfaction and try their best to offer high-quality classes. My
> guess is that her instructor was new. That happens. (It can be extremely
> difficult to teach a new class, but that's not her problem &;-) If they
> won't give her a refund, they might at least let her attend again for free.
> I realize it can be hard to get away again and possibly spend more travel
> money, but it's better than nothing.
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> >Phil
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:47 PM
> >Subject: RE: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
> >
> >
> > > Sounds like your instructor didn't know BGP either. What a shame. You
> >could
> > > ask for your money back...
> > >
> > > BTW, I like "cop run start" much better than "write mem." It's more
> > > intuitive. Not. &;-)
> > >
> > > Priscilla
> > >
> > > At 12:39 PM 3/19/01, Buri, Heather H wrote:
> > > >Well, it may be like Z said earlier and that is...my instructor did not
> >know
> > > >what he was talking about.  I thought 12.1 was still the most recent
> >version
> > > >but then again, I have not been on CCO recently upgrading my IOS's
> >either.
> > > >And...been too busy the past couple of days trying to get caught up from
> > > >being gone for a week from work.  I will check it out tonight.  :-)
> > > >
> > > >Heather Buri
> > > >CSC Technology Services - Houston
> > > >
> > > >Phone:  (713)-961-8592
> > > >Fax:(713)-961-8249
> > > >Mobile:
> > > >Alpha Page:
> > > >
> > > >Mailing:1360 Post Oak Blvd
> > > >  Suite 500
> > > >  Houston, TX 77056
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >-Original Message-
> > > >From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:08 PM
> > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >Subject: Re: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Wow, 13 already?  That's pretty surprising since 12.1 isn't GD yet and
> > > >12.2 isn't even out yet.
> > > >
> > > > >>> "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/19/01 10:41:14 AM >>>
> > > >Hi Everyone.
> > > >
> > > >Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week.  I
> > > >have
> > > >to say I was kind of disappointed.  I really was wanting to spend some
> > > >good
> > > >time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a
> > > >whole
> > > >day going over RIP???  I thought this was supposed to be an advanced
> > > >class!
> > > >My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is:
> > > >
> > > >Router Rip
> > > >
> > > >Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier
> > > >because too
> > > >many people complained about them being too difficult???  :::sigh:::
> > > >
> > > >Oh well.  Th

Re: All positions are valid - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[EA LOUIE]

No way, Allen... you already cashed it in about 15 messages ago on this thread
- no fair cashing in twice   ;-)

and I actually think this has been a healthy thread.  There seem to be these
camps, from what I've read:

1.  Certs add value regardless of a person's experience in industry - it's a
willingness to learn.
2.  Experience adds value and meaning to the Certs - it's an enhancement to
your experience and something that is in written recognizable form.
3.  Certs get your foot into the otherwise closed, air-tight door - it's an
indication that the person is trained and knowledgeable to some extent on the
techonology, and therefore less risky to hire than a non-certified (possibly
experienced) person

Thank goodness no one has presented the argument that Certs are a bad thing 
;-)

All of the positions have validity.  The original poster was concerned about
VALUE DILUTION of the certs with all the folks who were "jumping on the
bandwagon" versus those of us who have been in the job and are uncertified and
working on our certs.  This raised the issue of "what's more important or
holds more value... the Cert or experience?"  And that's been tossed around
alot in the past 20 or so messages.  Value, fortunately, lies in the eyes of
the hiring manager, so if you can convince HIM one way or another, whichever
way you want to sway it, more power to you!

(now I'm feeling like having a breath mint... hmmm.. what's up with that? 
"It's two, two, two mints in one")

LOL... I should be so jolly after a one-hour rolling blackout at my office!

-e-

"Allen May" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm still ready to stop this thread and cash in on all the 2 cents thrown
> in.
> ;)
> 
> Allen
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:55 AM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> 
> 
> > I believe that there are two distinctions that should
> > be made - and that you may disagree with. At least for
> > the bachelors degree, the experience is just that -
> > well beyond the actual academics. In addition, the
> > focus of the GE portion of the program is to diversify
> > - humanities, science, language, amongst others. This
> > is one of the limitations to the Cisco (and other)
> > certifications as the certifications present a myopic
> > view.
> >
> > The second distinction is that I would contend neither
> > represents more than the sum of its components, and
> > that value is perceived. For example, if I graduated
> > Stanford with a 2.1 GPA, as opposed to San Diego State
> > with a 4.0, which school would be a better hire? Few
> > resumes I see have the GPA, and, regardless, a lot of
> > folks use the name...
> >
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point
> > > of view.
> > >
> > > I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP,
> > > DA, DP and IE written
> > > are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate
> > > studies worth the same. Just
> > > papers.
> > >
> > > I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing
> > > all the cisco stuff.
> > > I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set
> > > CCDA, CCNP and CCIE complete.
> > >
> > > I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx,
> > > switching, etc before
> > > taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning
> > > path version 11.2 and
> > > just recently obtain my degrees and working for the
> > > big one.
> > >
> > > What will be your opinion Do I know something or I
> > > am just papers?
> > >
> > > You sould be carefull on your opinion about this
> > > things, all the knowledge
> > > since a long time ago has been paper, No one has
> > > achieve glory after years
> > > of practice and experience.
> > >
> > > I was thinking that you are trying to do the same
> > > that the shareowners are
> > > doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating
> > > the value of the Certifications,
> > > why don't you do the same with the college and and
> > > graduate degrees, they
> > > are very similar just studying and passing examns
> > > not real life thing until
> > > you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam
> > > thesis).
> > >
> > > Giga Internetworking
> > >
> > > Fer Saldana
> > >
> > >
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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Brad Shifflett]

My thought is if you can get all the way through the CCIE Lab and all, you
are determined to do the job. How many CCIE's are out there? 8000+-? I would
say from the low numbers, this exam is not easy, I have been in the field
for 7 years and just started to get my Cisco certification. I feel if I
would have started the Cisco stuff years ago, I would have not made it. The
material now is still pretty difficult to understand on some days. But, I
think the difference is, I am trying to understand it and learn it, not just
get by. I want to know the stuff inside and out. I am far from that, I know
alot of people that can take the exam, cram all week, and pass. But when it
comes to real world experience, it is over for them. Lets just weed out the
bad and let them fall on there faces. I like to help people, but if I know
this person is only a paper CXXX then I am not going to help them, it is up
to us real engineers to put these paper guys in there place, let them fall
down and you come up behind them and clean up the mess and save the day!
Happy testing!


Brad Shifflett 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Micromenders, Inc. 



-Original Message-
From: Tony van Ree [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:08 PM
To: Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


Hi,

My two bobs worth,

Any qualification is as good as the paper it is written on.  In my
experience someone with an open mind, willing to learn, has acquired
knowledge, shares knowledge and works smart in an effort to acheive
excellence is what really counts.

The paper does indicate the person has at least seen the words and knows the
lingo, probably the acromymns and often has some understanding.  I have seen
many a good technical person, well qualified, knowledgable and understanding
come copletely unglued when put in a situation the person was not familiar
with.  The mark of the real expert is 'the real expert will seek, ask and
find' the details.  He knows how to extract the details.  Paper
qualifications particularly at a degree level indicates the person can
usually do this.

I understand the pride of having a bunch of letters after your name.
Personally I don't use them although I do have a copy of some of the certs I
have gained on my wall.  These are for my pride not to show others.

I have lost the pride in my qualifications because some have them and do not
share, care or attempt to understand.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia

PS.  I did think it strange when I read something by a Dr. Icant Remember
the name CCIE.
On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 08:01:23 AM, Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI wrote:

> Bravo!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:22 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> 
> This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view. 
> 
> I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
> are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same.
Just
> papers.
> 
> I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
> I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set CCDA, CCNP and CCIE
> complete.
> 
> I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx, switching, etc before
> taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning path version 11.2 and
> just recently obtain my degrees and working for the big one. 
> 
> What will be your opinion Do I know something or I am just papers?
> 
> You sould be carefull on your opinion about this things, all the knowledge
> since a long time ago has been paper, No one has achieve glory after years
> of practice and experience. 
> 
> I was thinking that you are trying to do the same that the shareowners are
> doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating the value of the
> Certifications,
> why don't you do the same with the college and and graduate degrees, they
> are very similar just studying and passing examns not real life thing
until
> you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam thesis).
> 
> Giga Internetworking
> 
> Fer Saldana
> 
> 
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Bobs?? Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Allen May]

Do banks take bobs here in the states?  I'm scraping up all the 2 cents
worth right now but haven't come across these yet.  I can't get the online
currency converters to tell me what these are worth ;)


- Original Message -
From: "Tony van Ree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX


> Hi,
>
> My two bobs worth,
>
> Any qualification is as good as the paper it is written on.  In my
experience someone with an open mind, willing to learn, has acquired
knowledge, shares knowledge and works smart in an effort to acheive
excellence is what really counts.
>
> The paper does indicate the person has at least seen the words and knows
the lingo, probably the acromymns and often has some understanding.  I have
seen many a good technical person, well qualified, knowledgable and
understanding come copletely unglued when put in a situation the person was
not familiar with.  The mark of the real expert is 'the real expert will
seek, ask and find' the details.  He knows how to extract the details.
Paper qualifications particularly at a degree level indicates the person can
usually do this.
>
> I understand the pride of having a bunch of letters after your name.
Personally I don't use them although I do have a copy of some of the certs I
have gained on my wall.  These are for my pride not to show others.
>
> I have lost the pride in my qualifications because some have them and do
not share, care or attempt to understand.
>
> Teunis,
> Hobart, Tasmania
> Australia
>
> PS.  I did think it strange when I read something by a Dr. Icant Remember
the name CCIE.
> On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 08:01:23 AM, Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI
wrote:
>
> > Bravo!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:22 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> >
> > This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view.
> >
> > I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
> > are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same.
Just
> > papers.
> >
> > I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
> > I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set CCDA, CCNP and CCIE
> > complete.
> >
> > I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx, switching, etc before
> > taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning path version 11.2 and
> > just recently obtain my degrees and working for the big one.
> >
> > What will be your opinion Do I know something or I am just papers?
> >
> > You sould be carefull on your opinion about this things, all the
knowledge
> > since a long time ago has been paper, No one has achieve glory after
years
> > of practice and experience.
> >
> > I was thinking that you are trying to do the same that the shareowners
are
> > doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating the value of the
> > Certifications,
> > why don't you do the same with the college and and graduate degrees,
they
> > are very similar just studying and passing examns not real life thing
until
> > you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam thesis).
> >
> > Giga Internetworking
> >
> > Fer Saldana
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Point to Point Link Problem

[EA LOUIE]

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/tr1915.htm

Check your cable one more time, and make sure it's a straight-through cable to
the telco demarc (Cat 5 568A or B, or any other 1-1 2-2 ... 8-8 RJ-45 type
cable will work okay in a pinch)

You should at least be able to get up/down status if the cabling is correct. 
Also, make sure telco has actually activated the circuit (that they don't have
it looped back on their end...although the internal CSU should have detected
that)

Finally, are you sure you're plugged into the correct CSU interface on the
router and at the demarc?  ;-)

Let us know when you get DCD up  :-)

-e-

"Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has the telco tried all zeros loops to both ends, to verify b8zs/esf
setup??
> 
> Brian
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Eitel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:02 AM
> Subject: Point to Point Link Problem
> 
> 
> > I have a point to point T1 that is not working. The routers involved are
a
> > 3640 and a 2610. I have configured the routers with the same line code,
> > framing, etc. The WICs are internal. The telco can loopup to the 2610 but
> > not the 3640. I've swapped cables and the internal WIC on the 3640 side.
> Any
> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
> > 3640:
> > 3640#sh int s0/1
> > Serial0/1 is down, line protocol is down
> >   Hardware is DSCC4 with integrated T1 CSU/DSU
> >   Internet address is 10.1.2.1/30
> >   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 2048 Kbit, DLY 2 usec,
> >  reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255
> >   Encapsulation PPP, loopback not set
> >   Keepalive set (10 sec)
> >   LCP Closed
> >   Closed: IPCP, CDPCP
> >   Last input never, output never, output hang never
> >   Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:07:40
> >   Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
> >   Queueing strategy: weighted fair
> >   Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
> >  Conversations  0/0/256 (active/max active/max total)
> >  Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
> >   5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> >   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> >  0 packets input, 0 bytes, 0 no buffer
> >  Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
> >  0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
> >  0 packets output, 0 bytes, 0 underruns
> >  0 output errors, 0 collisions, 1 interface resets
> >  0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
> >  0 carrier transitions
> >  DCD=down  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=down
> >
> > 3640#sh service-module s0/1
> > Module type is T1/fractional
> > Hardware revision is 0.96, Software revision is 0.2,
> > Image checksum is 0xED22BEC5, Protocol revision is 0.1
> > Transmitter is sending remote alarm.
> > Receiver has loss of frame,
> > Framing is ESF, Line Code is B8ZS, Current clock source is line,
> > Fraction has 24 timeslots (64 Kbits/sec each), Net bandwidth is 1536
> > Kbits/sec.
> > Last module self-test (done at startup): Passed
> > Last clearing of alarm counters 00:08:39
> > loss of signal:0,
> > loss of frame :1, current duration 00:08:29
> > AIS alarm :0,
> > Remote alarm  :0,
> > Module access errors  :0,
> > Total Data (last 0 15 minute intervals):
> > 0 Line Code Violations, 0 Path Code Violations
> > 0 Slip Secs, 0 Fr Loss Secs, 0 Line Err Secs, 0 Degraded Mins
> > 0 Errored Secs, 0 Bursty Err Secs, 0 Severely Err Secs, 0 Unavail
Secs
> > Data in current interval (493 seconds elapsed):
> > 0 Line Code Violations, 0 Path Code Violations
> > 6 Slip Secs, 456 Fr Loss Secs, 0 Line Err Secs, 0 Degraded Mins
> > 0 Errored Secs, 0 Bursty Err Secs, 0 Severely Err Secs, 493 Unavail
> Secs
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David Eitel
> >
> >
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Re: Memory/Flash Compatibility

[Circusnuts]

Ahhh- they did make a FLASH board that took 72 pin simms (2x 8Meg sticks)...
but you are correct in almost every other occasion :-)

Phil

- Original Message -
From: "Stull, Cory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Ray Smith'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: Memory/Flash Compatibility


> One thing I can tell you about your 4000...  If its not a 4000M it doesn't
> use a flash SIMM, it uses a flash board, definately not compatible with
> anything else.  The others I'm not sure about.
>
> Cory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Memory/Flash Compatibility
>
>
> Guys,
>  
> I need some help on a flash memory issue here.  I was told that
> the flash for the cisco series 2600 and some 2500 series router is
> compatible with those of the Series 4000 and 4000-M routers.  Have
you
> guys experienced this before?  I urgently need to upgrade the flash
> both my 4000 and 4000-M series.  In addition, if this is true and it
> does work how will this affect the boot process?  Any
> suggestions?
>  
>  
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RE: Password recovery

[EA LOUIE]

Okay then...the 3600 doesn't load its image using tftp from rommon...bummer. 
try this link:

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis3600/3600ig/3600rom.htm

and try this procedure (i'm stealing from the 2600 h/w config):

1.  Type confreg 0x2142 at the rommon 1> prompt - it bypasses NVRAM
2.  Reload the router.  The boot ROM should have enough of an image to get the
router started.  If it doesn't, then go back into rommon mode and try this
tftpdnld setup - the variable names in capital letters ARE case sensitive
  replace the addresses, masks, and filenames with your own.  
  also, if you're loading from a pc and the IOS filename has an extension,
remember to add that, too.  
  (I'm not 100% positive that the 3600's supported tftpdnld...this comes from
the 2600 series hardware install manual located at
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/access/acs_mod/cis2600/2600hig/rom.htm
)

 IP_ADDRESS=172.15.19.11
 IP_SUBNET_MASK=255.255.255.0
 DEFAULT_GATEWAY=172.16.19.1
 TFTP_SERVER=172.15.20.10
 TFTP_FILE=/tftpboot/2600-i-mz
 tftpdnld -r

the router should reload

3.  When it asks if you want to enter the startup configuration mode, answer
n
4.  Enter enable mode after the interfaces have all been initialized, then

copy start run
config t
enable secret yournewpassword
config-reg 0x2102
^z
wr t - make sure you have the correct ip addresses on your interfaces, and
that the router is loading IOS from the correct tftp boot source on your
network

If none of this works, you might want to open a ticket with Cisco TAC.

good luck!

-e-


Rizzo Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I assure you Louis, I have searched all appropriate web sites, including
the
> link you supplied. All are completely useless if your router has NO Flash
> memory! The reason's for why the router has no flash memory are quite
> inconsequential. But thank you for your assistance!
> 
> -Rizzo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: EA LOUIE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:32 PM
> To: Rizzo Damian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Password recovery]
> 
> 
> LOL... learn how to use http://www.cisco.com  
> 
> my search of "Password Recovery" gave me:
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/474/index.shtml
> 
> I find it hard to believe that your top-of-the-line, expensive 3600 chassis
> has no flash memory...you might not have an external PC Card flash, but
> there's a flash SIMM inside the chassis, unless someone removed it...and
IOS
> is not loaded into NVRAM - here's the memory breakdown...
> 
> FLASH = IOS image(s)
> NVRAM = device configuration information, logging console messages, etc.
> DRAM = routing tables, ARP tables, running config, packet buffers, and IOS
> at
> runtime
> 
> hth
> -e-
> 
> Rizzo Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> >  We have a problem with our 3660 router. We forgot the enable password
and
> > need to start from scratch and recreate the passwords. The problem is,
the
> > router has no Flash memory, so the router only boots into Rommon mode...I
> > don't believe these routers have bootflash, because you can't use the
> "boot
> > tftp" command without a BOOTLDR not set error. So even after we manualy
> > install the IOS via X-modem and it is run in NVRAM, it loads the startup
> > config in memory and that just brings us back to where we were
beforeA
> > router in which we have no enable password for. What are our options at
> this
> > point? Thank you.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  - Rizzo
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how to check statistics on a single nat entry

[Adam Wang]

Hi group

How would I check statistics on a single nat entry
show ip nat statistics will give me the whole picture,
not individual entries.

Thanks

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Re: IPX Help

[jenny . mcleod]

If you don't want to send RIP/SAP updates that often, you can change the
update times by
ipx update interval {sap|rip} xwhere x is in seconds - this is IOS 12.

For earlier IOS (11.2 anyway, not sure which version 11.3 uses), the commands are
 ipx sap-interval x (for SAP updates - x is in minutes)
 ipx update-time x (for RIP updates - x is in seconds)

An unusual instance of Cisco actually making the IOS commands more intuitive (or at 
least more consistent)  instead of less!

JMcL
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05:50:21 am

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Sent by:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



To:   "EA Louie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  "David A. Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  "'Bradley J. Wilson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  "'cisco'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:


Subject:  Re: IPX Help


Good response.

At 09:09 PM 3/19/01, EA Louie wrote:
>Issue:  bandwidth of SAPs (Service Advertisement Protocol) broadcast over
>the WAN - depending on how many IPX services are allowed, it could be a
big
>hit...although I've never personally seen SAP traffic saturate a decent
>bandwidth (128k and above) WAN link, perhaps others here have.

I have! (Well, thinking back, maybe it was only 128 K?) SAP stands for
Service Advertising Protocol. Cisco has spelled out the acronym incorrectly
for years.


>Solution:  Filter outbound SAP's at the source router (this may need to be
>done at both ends of the WAN circuit depending on the number of servers on
>each side.  Normally, unless an application or printer needs to be
>advertised on the 'other' end of the WAN link, I shut them all down,
except
>for file services.
>
>Otherwise, the routing tables (same for IPX RIP as IP RIP) are sent over
the
>WAN link every 90 seconds by default.

IPX RIP sends every 60 seconds by default. IP RIP sends every 30 seconds by
default. You're thinking of IGRP when you say IGRP perhaps?

Sorry for being so picky. Your answer is right on!

Priscilla


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>
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>
> >
> > How about routing IPX over a WAN?  What are the issues and performance
>hits?
> >
> > DaL
> >
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> > Bradley J. Wilson
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> >
> > The command "no ipx routing" will clear up *all* your troubles. ;-)
> >
> > BJ
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Nabil Fares
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 5:32 PM
> > Subject: IPX Help
> >
> >
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > I'm trying to find out how routers treat IPX traffic, is there any type
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> > switching or optimization taking place.  I hope my questions is clear!
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Re: Multiple T1's

[Brian]

I was not talking about multilink PPP.  If you have 2 t1s from office a to
office b, all you'd need for a default out on the remote office end is
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 s0
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 s1
This assumes that you already have the appropriate statics in place for
local LAN segments.  If you want per packet load balancing, disable caching.
No multilink PPP required.

Bri

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:12 PM
Subject: RE: Multiple T1's


> If you are running EIGRP as your routing protocol, it will take care of
the
> load balancing for you without the added complexity and CPU overhead of
PPP
> multilink.
>
> There are some great EIGRP config guides on CCO.
>
> Chris Lemagie
>
> -Original Message-
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> Brian
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:57 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Multiple T1's
>
>
> On each end, static route traffic out both interfaces.
>
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> > We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another
office.
> We
> > want these 2 t1's to not
> > only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
> > balance while they are both up.
> > So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of
bandwidth
> > and if one goes down for it
> > to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have
3600
> > series routers on both ends. Can
> > this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
> > stuff, but it seems to be only for
> > async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!
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Re: [Deciphering error logs]

[EA LOUIE]

Charles Nunie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Where can I get interpretation on the errors in my log file? Meanwhile can
> someone decipher this:

Those are all normal first-time startup messages.  for their meanings and the
meaning of other log messages, see

http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12supdoc/12sems/index.htm

   ;-)>

> 
> 
> 00:00:02: %SYS-7-NV_BLOCK_INIT: Initalized the geometry of nvram
> 00:00:13: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface Serial0/0, changed state to down
> 00:00:13: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface FastEthernet0/0, changed state to up
> 00:00:13: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface FastEthernet0/1, changed state to up
> 00:00:13: %SYS-5-CONFIG_I: Configured from memory by console
> 00:00:14: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface Serial0/0,
changed
> sta
> te to up
> 00:00:14: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface FastEthernet0/0,
> chang
> ed state to down
> 00:00:14: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface FastEthernet0/1,
> change
> 
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Re: Memory/Flash Compatibility

[Circusnuts]

No- a stick of 2500 FLASH is compatible in a ton of Cisco devices, but it
does not go the other way.  4000's,2600's, & 3600's take a different make
that will not register on a 2500.  I believe their memory is slower (think
it's 80ns, while the 2500 could be as fast as 60ns).

Good Luck
Phil

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>  
> I need some help on a flash memory issue here.  I was told that
the flash for the cisco series 2600 and some 2500 series router is
compatible with those of the Series 4000 and 4000-M routers.  Have you
guys experienced this before?  I urgently need to upgrade the flash
both my 4000 and 4000-M series.  In addition, if this is true and it
does work how will this affect the boot process?  Any
suggestions?
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Re: access-lists

[Jim Erickson]

This may seem like a dumb question, but what are you trying to get the
access list to do - specifically?

---JRE---

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> creating my access list, I then apply it to the interface but it does
> not seem to do anything. i am also runnign NAT on this same router, does
> this make for any other problems that I should be aware of.
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Re: Economic downturn--Impact on Cisco Certification aspirations?

[Tony van Ree]

Hi all,

Economic downturn.  I feel that with all the economic downturn the technology won't 
change.  If anything there will be a greater requirement for good, smart, open minded 
technicians.  I use the term technicians as there are lots of Information Technology 
and Information Management functions involved.

Good well designed and constructed implementations or solutions will indeed help pull 
some of the same companies out of the mire.

Just some thoughts

Teunis
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia

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> I thought IS would be a solid career, but now with some of the unpleasant 
> DOT.COM stories in the news, is everyone cranking out the exams still? 
> Hasthis had an impact on your morale?
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RE: Multiple T1's

[Chris Lemagie]

If you are running EIGRP as your routing protocol, it will take care of the
load balancing for you without the added complexity and CPU overhead of PPP
multilink.

There are some great EIGRP config guides on CCO.

Chris Lemagie

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Brian
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 1:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Multiple T1's


On each end, static route traffic out both interfaces.

Bri
"Jason Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another office.
We
> want these 2 t1's to not
> only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
> balance while they are both up.
> So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of bandwidth
> and if one goes down for it
> to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have 3600
> series routers on both ends. Can
> this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
> stuff, but it seems to be only for
> async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!
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Re: Password recovery

[Kevin Wigle]

interesting Cisco 3600 series routers ship with minimum 8 meg
flash the 3660 can have up to 64 meg.

Not to question whether you can tell if flash is there or not... :-)

but it sounds like you need to get a friend to ship you a flash module
with a valid IOS on it - or borrow one from another 36xx you may have
onsite.

Something similar happened to us just a while ago and we got out of it by
using a standby router.  In our case the flash became corrupt - couldn't
delete it or use it in any way.

We put in into another router (sick one was a 3620 - standby was a 3640) and
was able to write to it and put it back into the sick one - now well.

In our case we had to be careful to write a 3620 IOS and not a 3640 image.

Kevin Wigle

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:36 PM
Subject: Password recovery


>
>  We have a problem with our 3660 router. We forgot the enable password and
> need to start from scratch and recreate the passwords. The problem is, the
> router has no Flash memory, so the router only boots into Rommon mode...I
> don't believe these routers have bootflash, because you can't use the
"boot
> tftp" command without a BOOTLDR not set error. So even after we manualy
> install the IOS via X-modem and it is run in NVRAM, it loads the startup
> config in memory and that just brings us back to where we were beforeA
> router in which we have no enable password for. What are our options at
this
> point? Thank you.
>
>
>
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Re: Multiple T1's

[James Haynes]

You may also find that you have turn off fast switching in order for the
load to be balanced packet by packet.



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> We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another office.
We
> want these 2 t1's to not
> only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
> balance while they are both up.
> So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of bandwidth
> and if one goes down for it
> to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have 3600
> series routers on both ends. Can
> this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
> stuff, but it seems to be only for
> async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!
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Re: Multiple T1's

[Brian]

more precisely, out both serial interfaces..

Brian

"Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> On each end, static route traffic out both interfaces.
>
> Bri
> "Jason Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> > We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another
office.
> We
> > want these 2 t1's to not
> > only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
> > balance while they are both up.
> > So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of
bandwidth
> > and if one goes down for it
> > to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have
3600
> > series routers on both ends. Can
> > this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
> > stuff, but it seems to be only for
> > async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!
> >
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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Tony van Ree]

Hi,

My two bobs worth,

Any qualification is as good as the paper it is written on.  In my experience someone 
with an open mind, willing to learn, has acquired knowledge, shares knowledge and 
works smart in an effort to acheive excellence is what really counts.

The paper does indicate the person has at least seen the words and knows the lingo, 
probably the acromymns and often has some understanding.  I have seen many a good 
technical person, well qualified, knowledgable and understanding come copletely 
unglued when put in a situation the person was not familiar with.  The mark of the 
real expert is 'the real expert will seek, ask and find' the details.  He knows how to 
extract the details.  Paper qualifications particularly at a degree level indicates 
the person can usually do this.

I understand the pride of having a bunch of letters after your name.  Personally I 
don't use them although I do have a copy of some of the certs I have gained on my 
wall.  These are for my pride not to show others.

I have lost the pride in my qualifications because some have them and do not share, 
care or attempt to understand.

Teunis,
Hobart, Tasmania
Australia

PS.  I did think it strange when I read something by a Dr. Icant Remember the name 
CCIE.
On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 08:01:23 AM, Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI wrote:

> Bravo!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:22 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> 
> This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point of view. 
> 
> I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP, DA, DP and IE written
> are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate studies worth the same. Just
> papers.
> 
> I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing all the cisco stuff.
> I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set CCDA, CCNP and CCIE
> complete.
> 
> I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx, switching, etc before
> taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning path version 11.2 and
> just recently obtain my degrees and working for the big one. 
> 
> What will be your opinion Do I know something or I am just papers?
> 
> You sould be carefull on your opinion about this things, all the knowledge
> since a long time ago has been paper, No one has achieve glory after years
> of practice and experience. 
> 
> I was thinking that you are trying to do the same that the shareowners are
> doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating the value of the
> Certifications,
> why don't you do the same with the college and and graduate degrees, they
> are very similar just studying and passing examns not real life thing until
> you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam thesis).
> 
> Giga Internetworking
> 
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Re: Multiple T1's

[Brian]

On each end, static route traffic out both interfaces.

Bri
"Jason Stephens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another office.
We
> want these 2 t1's to not
> only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
> balance while they are both up.
> So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of bandwidth
> and if one goes down for it
> to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have 3600
> series routers on both ends. Can
> this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
> stuff, but it seems to be only for
> async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!
>
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Multiple T1's

[Jason Stephens]

We have a situation where we want to have 2 t1's going to another office. We
want these 2 t1's to not
only provide redundancy in case 1 goes down, but also want them to load
balance while they are both up.
So basically, we want the two t1's to be up providing 3 mpbs of bandwidth
and if one goes down for it
to automatically send all traffic to the t1 that is still up. We have 3600
series routers on both ends. Can
this be done? If so, please explain how. I looked into the Multilink PPP
stuff, but it seems to be only for
async ports. Thanks for any info in advance!


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Syngress CCDA book (off topic?) [1:2745]

[Greg Macaulay]

If I were you -- I'd buy the DCN book (Cisco Press) and read it carefully.
Also, if you have CCO access, take the COLT tests -- and take them over and
over again -- and research any answers you get wrong.  I studied for the
CCDA for 14 days and took the COLT tests every morning and every night --
and three times yesterday when I took the exam (944).  Lastly, review your
CCNA material -- at least a day or two.  That should do it.

Greg Macaulay, MCSE, CCNP, CCDA (newly minted!) (other certs and degrees not
listed!)
The oldest CCNP/CCDA in the world!!!
Lifetime member of AARP
Don't mind my bout of bragging -- I'm still euphoric over passing the CCDA
in 14 days! I'll be back to normal by tomorrow!!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Scott Robbins
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:22 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Syngress CCDA book (off topic?) [1:2745]


I know this list is primarily for CCNA, so hope people will excuse my asking
the question here.

At any rate, looking at various books in the bookstore, the Syngress book
seems a little more meaty than the Sybex one by Mr. Lammle.  I'm wondering
if anyone has used the Syngress book for the CCDA and if so, how did they
find it.  I figure I'll use that one as the "light reading" and the Cisco
Press one as the in depth book.
Again, I'm not sure if this is considered off-topic for this list--if it is,
then please accept my apologies.


TIA
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RE: [Password recovery]

[Rizzo Damian]

I assure you Louis, I have searched all appropriate web sites, including the
link you supplied. All are completely useless if your router has NO Flash
memory! The reason's for why the router has no flash memory are quite
inconsequential. But thank you for your assistance!

-Rizzo




-Original Message-
From: EA LOUIE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:32 PM
To: Rizzo Damian; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Password recovery]


LOL... learn how to use http://www.cisco.com  

my search of "Password Recovery" gave me:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/474/index.shtml

I find it hard to believe that your top-of-the-line, expensive 3600 chassis
has no flash memory...you might not have an external PC Card flash, but
there's a flash SIMM inside the chassis, unless someone removed it...and IOS
is not loaded into NVRAM - here's the memory breakdown...

FLASH = IOS image(s)
NVRAM = device configuration information, logging console messages, etc.
DRAM = routing tables, ARP tables, running config, packet buffers, and IOS
at
runtime

hth
-e-

Rizzo Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  We have a problem with our 3660 router. We forgot the enable password and
> need to start from scratch and recreate the passwords. The problem is, the
> router has no Flash memory, so the router only boots into Rommon mode...I
> don't believe these routers have bootflash, because you can't use the
"boot
> tftp" command without a BOOTLDR not set error. So even after we manualy
> install the IOS via X-modem and it is run in NVRAM, it loads the startup
> config in memory and that just brings us back to where we were beforeA
> router in which we have no enable password for. What are our options at
this
> point? Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
>  - Rizzo
> 
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RE: CCNA Pass Mark

[Brad Shifflett]

I can verify the same, 849 to pass, 65 questions, I believe the time is 90
minutes. Tough exam, but passed with a 881.

Brad Shifflett
CCNA, MCSE, CNA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CCNA Pass Mark


849 to pass is correct. I took the test a little over a week ago and 849 is
passing according to the Score Report that prints out.

Dan Kline

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> No anymore! It is 65 questions, 849 to pass.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Traceroute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:30 AM
> To: Tuan Heng; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> 65 questions, 822 to pass
> - Original Message -
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:04 AM
> Subject: CCNA Pass Mark
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have read 2 conflicting reports on the number of questions and passing
=
> > mark for CCNA 2.0, one from Examcram while another from Que.
> >
> > Could someone tell me the ACTUAL number of questions,time frame given =
> > and passing mark?
> >
> > TIA
> >
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RE: Point to Point Link Problem

[Kane, Christopher A.]

Do you have both ends setup with "Current clock source is line". If you do,
change one end to internal. If both are set to line and telco is not
providing you clocking, the T1 won't come up. I'm more concerned with the
fact that you have down/down. As stated below, you usually get an up/down
with good local cable connection. Is the T1 coming in on a SmartJack (NIU)?
If you can find it (should be labeled with the circuit ID), check the LEDs,
there should be an equipment light and a network light depending on the
vendor. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 3:43 PM
To: Brian; David Eitel; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Point to Point Link Problem


http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/cisintwk/itg_v1/tr1915.htm

Check your cable one more time, and make sure it's a straight-through cable
to
the telco demarc (Cat 5 568A or B, or any other 1-1 2-2 ... 8-8 RJ-45 type
cable will work okay in a pinch)

You should at least be able to get up/down status if the cabling is correct.

Also, make sure telco has actually activated the circuit (that they don't
have
it looped back on their end...although the internal CSU should have detected
that)

Finally, are you sure you're plugged into the correct CSU interface on the
router and at the demarc?  ;-)

Let us know when you get DCD up  :-)

-e-

"Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has the telco tried all zeros loops to both ends, to verify b8zs/esf
setup??
> 
> Brian
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Eitel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:02 AM
> Subject: Point to Point Link Problem
> 
> 
> > I have a point to point T1 that is not working. The routers involved are
a
> > 3640 and a 2610. I have configured the routers with the same line code,
> > framing, etc. The WICs are internal. The telco can loopup to the 2610
but
> > not the 3640. I've swapped cables and the internal WIC on the 3640 side.
> Any
> > recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
> > 3640:
> > 3640#sh int s0/1
> > Serial0/1 is down, line protocol is down
> >   Hardware is DSCC4 with integrated T1 CSU/DSU
> >   Internet address is 10.1.2.1/30
> >   MTU 1500 bytes, BW 2048 Kbit, DLY 2 usec,
> >  reliability 255/255, txload 1/255, rxload 1/255
> >   Encapsulation PPP, loopback not set
> >   Keepalive set (10 sec)
> >   LCP Closed
> >   Closed: IPCP, CDPCP
> >   Last input never, output never, output hang never
> >   Last clearing of "show interface" counters 00:07:40
> >   Input queue: 0/75/0 (size/max/drops); Total output drops: 0
> >   Queueing strategy: weighted fair
> >   Output queue: 0/1000/64/0 (size/max total/threshold/drops)
> >  Conversations  0/0/256 (active/max active/max total)
> >  Reserved Conversations 0/0 (allocated/max allocated)
> >   5 minute input rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> >   5 minute output rate 0 bits/sec, 0 packets/sec
> >  0 packets input, 0 bytes, 0 no buffer
> >  Received 0 broadcasts, 0 runts, 0 giants, 0 throttles
> >  0 input errors, 0 CRC, 0 frame, 0 overrun, 0 ignored, 0 abort
> >  0 packets output, 0 bytes, 0 underruns
> >  0 output errors, 0 collisions, 1 interface resets
> >  0 output buffer failures, 0 output buffers swapped out
> >  0 carrier transitions
> >  DCD=down  DSR=up  DTR=up  RTS=up  CTS=down
> >
> > 3640#sh service-module s0/1
> > Module type is T1/fractional
> > Hardware revision is 0.96, Software revision is 0.2,
> > Image checksum is 0xED22BEC5, Protocol revision is 0.1
> > Transmitter is sending remote alarm.
> > Receiver has loss of frame,
> > Framing is ESF, Line Code is B8ZS, Current clock source is line,
> > Fraction has 24 timeslots (64 Kbits/sec each), Net bandwidth is 1536
> > Kbits/sec.
> > Last module self-test (done at startup): Passed
> > Last clearing of alarm counters 00:08:39
> > loss of signal:0,
> > loss of frame :1, current duration 00:08:29
> > AIS alarm :0,
> > Remote alarm  :0,
> > Module access errors  :0,
> > Total Data (last 0 15 minute intervals):
> > 0 Line Code Violations, 0 Path Code Violations
> > 0 Slip Secs, 0 Fr Loss Secs, 0 Line Err Secs, 0 Degraded Mins
> > 0 Errored Secs, 0 Bursty Err Secs, 0 Severely Err Secs, 0 Unavail
Secs
> > Data in current interval (493 seconds elapsed):
> > 0 Line Code Violations, 0 Path Code Violations
> > 6 Slip Secs, 456 Fr Loss Secs, 0 Line Err Secs, 0 Degraded Mins
> > 0 Errored Secs, 0 Bursty Err Secs, 0 Severely Err Secs, 493 Unavail
> Secs
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David Eitel
> >
> >
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Re: [Password recovery]

[EA LOUIE]

LOL... learn how to use http://www.cisco.com  

my search of "Password Recovery" gave me:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/474/index.shtml

I find it hard to believe that your top-of-the-line, expensive 3600 chassis
has no flash memory...you might not have an external PC Card flash, but
there's a flash SIMM inside the chassis, unless someone removed it...and IOS
is not loaded into NVRAM - here's the memory breakdown...

FLASH = IOS image(s)
NVRAM = device configuration information, logging console messages, etc.
DRAM = routing tables, ARP tables, running config, packet buffers, and IOS at
runtime

hth
-e-

Rizzo Damian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  We have a problem with our 3660 router. We forgot the enable password and
> need to start from scratch and recreate the passwords. The problem is, the
> router has no Flash memory, so the router only boots into Rommon mode...I
> don't believe these routers have bootflash, because you can't use the "boot
> tftp" command without a BOOTLDR not set error. So even after we manualy
> install the IOS via X-modem and it is run in NVRAM, it loads the startup
> config in memory and that just brings us back to where we were beforeA
> router in which we have no enable password for. What are our options at
this
> point? Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
>  - Rizzo
> 
> 
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Re: [Forward from RoadRunner...]

[EA LOUIE]

...and it seems that we're still receiving dupes from somewhere...I seem to be
receiving multiple copies of messages targeted to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

-e-

"Paul  Borghese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is a response from Road Runner 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Road Runner Security [KMH]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Paul Borghese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Attacks from your mail server
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > There was an issue with email a week or so ago with our houston servers,
> > which has subsequently been corrected.  We do apologize for the
> > inconvenience to you and your lists.
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to contact Road Runner.
> >
> > --On Sunday, March 18, 2001 8:58 AM -0500 Paul Borghese
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I run a mailing list for people studying for various Network
Engineering
> > > Certifications (www.groupstudy.com).  For whatever reason, mail servers
> > > from mail.houston.rr.com (24.93.35.225) dumped thousands of messages on
> > > the list that were sent months ago.
> > >
> > > After blocking the address 24.93.35.225, we are now receiving dumps
from
> > > 24.93.35.226, 24.93.35.54, and 24.93.25.55.  Please have someone
correct
> > > this immediately!  My only recourse is to block the entire subnet,
> > > forcing rr.com subscribers to obtain another service before
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> > >
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Re: CCNA Pass Mark

[Dan Kline]

849 to pass is correct. I took the test a little over a week ago and 849 is
passing according to the Score Report that prints out.

Dan Kline

"Liang Mark J Civ AFRL/PROI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> No anymore! It is 65 questions, 849 to pass.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Traceroute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:30 AM
> To: Tuan Heng; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CCNA Pass Mark
>
> 65 questions, 822 to pass
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tuan Heng" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:04 AM
> Subject: CCNA Pass Mark
>
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have read 2 conflicting reports on the number of questions and passing
=
> > mark for CCNA 2.0, one from Examcram while another from Que.
> >
> > Could someone tell me the ACTUAL number of questions,time frame given =
> > and passing mark?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Tan
> >
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DHCP

[Charles Dixon]

Can someone help out with this, please.

I connected a Cisco 2600 to  a 3COM Netbuilder, which also have a DHCP =
server connected to it on a different subnet. A PC connected to the =
Cisco can't get an IP address from the DHCP server. I have used these =
commands 'IP helper address' and 'IP forward address udp' but the PC =
still cant pick up an IP address. Can you help!=20

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Password recovery

[Rizzo Damian]

 We have a problem with our 3660 router. We forgot the enable password and
need to start from scratch and recreate the passwords. The problem is, the
router has no Flash memory, so the router only boots into Rommon mode...I
don't believe these routers have bootflash, because you can't use the "boot
tftp" command without a BOOTLDR not set error. So even after we manualy
install the IOS via X-modem and it is run in NVRAM, it loads the startup
config in memory and that just brings us back to where we were beforeA
router in which we have no enable password for. What are our options at this
point? Thank you.



 - Rizzo


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Re: Good IOS images

[Circusnuts]

11.2(18), 11.3(9), & 12.0(8)  All come in Enterprise & are well tested GD's
(General Deployments).  I had my 2500's start to hang on reloads with the
12.0(9), so I backed down a notch & life was grand again :-)

Good Luck
Phil

PS- the Cisco 2500 Feature Set has a good pool of 2500 images & I've seen
this on Ebay for a little as $20.

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To: "'Roberts, Timothy '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: Good IOS images


>
> Louie
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: 3/20/01 1:15 PM
> Subject: Good IOS images
>
>
> What is a goof IOS image in the 11.3 class and the 12.0 class for the
> 2501
> series?
> Thanks
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RE: Good IOS images

[Charlie Hartwell]

OK, I think the words "it depends" were written specifically for this
question.

When you go to the Cisco IOS planner page look for images with the
letters "GD" after them. This means General Deployment and you'll
find a lot of ISP's and large corporates use these because they are
considered stable. Around the 12.0(13) or 11.2(22) releases should be
GD (I can't remember exactly).

On the other hand, if you are just using this for a bit of practise
at home then get the very newest image that your memory can handle
(12.2(1) should be out now) so you can play with all of the latest
shiny, spinny features that won't work properly yet.

Cheers

Charlie

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> Louie
> 
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> Sent: 3/20/01 1:15 PM
> Subject: Good IOS images
> 
> 
> What is a goof IOS image in the 11.3 class and the 12.0 class for
> the
> 2501
> series?
> Thanks
> 
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Re: BCMSN - exam question

[Charlie Hartwell]

I'm not sure if you have been on the BCMSN course (I hope you have if
you have a copy of the notes!) but that was certainly sufficient for
me. Of all of the CCNP exams, the BCMSN fitted the course notes the
best.
It's difficult when people ask questions like this because we don't
know how much experience they have, you could have been designing and
installing Catalyst based LAN solutions for years.

Cheers

Charlie

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> precisely =
> what I wanted to know in the Archives
> 
> 
> Question:-
> 
> Are the course notes sufficient to pass the (640-504) switching
> exam.=20
> could  anyone recomend additional reading if they are not?  =20
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Re: I want my Money! - Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX

[Charlie Hartwell]

Oh man! These ruined dotcom CEO's are even in here scrabbling for
change.

--- Allen May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still ready to stop this
thread and cash in on all the 2 cents
> thrown
> in.
> ;)
> 
> Allen
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Padjen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:55 AM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
> 
> 
> > I believe that there are two distinctions that should
> > be made - and that you may disagree with. At least for
> > the bachelors degree, the experience is just that -
> > well beyond the actual academics. In addition, the
> > focus of the GE portion of the program is to diversify
> > - humanities, science, language, amongst others. This
> > is one of the limitations to the Cisco (and other)
> > certifications as the certifications present a myopic
> > view.
> >
> > The second distinction is that I would contend neither
> > represents more than the sum of its components, and
> > that value is perceived. For example, if I graduated
> > Stanford with a 2.1 GPA, as opposed to San Diego State
> > with a 4.0, which school would be a better hire? Few
> > resumes I see have the GPA, and, regardless, a lot of
> > folks use the name...
> >
> >
> > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > This issue is turning thisgs upside down from point
> > > of view.
> > >
> > > I would like to tell you my opinion. If CCNA, NP,
> > > DA, DP and IE written
> > > are not worth then your Bachelors and Graduate
> > > studies worth the same. Just
> > > papers.
> > >
> > > I learn to configure a cisco router before knowing
> > > all the cisco stuff.
> > > I have a CCDA, CCNP and going for the complete set
> > > CCDA, CCNP and CCIE complete.
> > >
> > > I knew frame relay,atm, sna, dlsw, sdlc, ppp, ipx,
> > > switching, etc before
> > > taking any cisco course. I took all cisco traning
> > > path version 11.2 and
> > > just recently obtain my degrees and working for the
> > > big one.
> > >
> > > What will be your opinion Do I know something or I
> > > am just papers?
> > >
> > > You sould be carefull on your opinion about this
> > > things, all the knowledge
> > > since a long time ago has been paper, No one has
> > > achieve glory after years
> > > of practice and experience.
> > >
> > > I was thinking that you are trying to do the same
> > > that the shareowners are
> > > doing with the internet economy, you are devaluating
> > > the value of the Certifications,
> > > why don't you do the same with the college and and
> > > graduate degrees, they
> > > are very similar just studying and passing examns
> > > not real life thing until
> > > you pass all the levels (semesters and big exam
> > > thesis).
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RE: Something to think about

[Christopher Kolp]

Do you ever have anything nice to say about anything besides
what you currently hold?

90% of your posts are snide comments aimed at new people
either in or trying to get in the industry. I personally
don't appreciate it and I'm sure the rest don't either.

It's one thing to say CCNA is a start on a long journey..

It's another to discredit one's accomplishments and belittle them
because they don't have 10+ years behind them.

You're right. It's the admission pass AND the rules of the game.
How many strikes. Field sizes. But it's also a great start and
teaches newbies a solid foundation in networking.





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> After all, the CCNA is really just an admission ticket to 
> play in the big
> leagues. It doesn't prove that you can play or hit the ball 
> over the fence.
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RE: Something to think about

[Belt, Louie]

Louie

-Original Message-
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Subject: Something to think about

After all, the CCNA is really just an admission ticket to play in the
big
leagues. It doesn't prove that you can play or hit the ball over the
fence.


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RE: Something to think about

[Steve Smith]

So is any other certification or college degree. Neither one is worth
their salt until you have the experience to work beside it. On a English
professors door at Rhodes College was a big chart that broke down
statistics. It showed that the average person with a college degree
makes $5 dollars more a year, globally, than a person without a college
degree. The difference? College teaches you to think. So go the
multitudes of certs out there. They are not there to say you are an
expert who can solve the worlds problems, they are merely there to show
you have put forth the effort to have a base understanding of how
something works...much the same as a bachelors degree. By the way I
am proud to be a CCNAand then some.

respectfully,
Steve

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After all, the CCNA is really just an admission ticket to play in the
big
leagues. It doesn't prove that you can play or hit the ball over the
fence.


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