Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Maggie, I'm so sorry for your loss, and I hope Izzie is fine. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Lucy CLS
SO sorry to hear of Lucy's passing but it sounds as peaceful and quick a passing as possible which is what we all wish for our fur babies in the end. The angels will guide her and she will always be with you in your heart. Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel Angel Bramble
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Maggie, I'm am so sorry. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 3/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Please try to remember that a FeLV+ test does not mean a death sentence. Izzie, like all of us, started dying the day she was born. This is not a bad thing once you accept that none of us know when or we are going to die. It can free you to enjoy the time you have together. I hope this doesn't sound cruel but it is a very hard lesson the Royal Princess Kitty Katt taught me. It is probably too soon to think about Kitty's wisdom--she was supposed to die over a year before she did and her quality of life was very high. Try very hard not to worry so much about loosing Izzie that you don't enjoy her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:57 AM Subject: Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS Maggie, I'm am so sorry. My heart is with you. elizabeth On 3/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
RE: Please add Lucy to the CLS
I'm so sorry, Maggie. While no one wants our little souls to suffer, it must have been (and be) so shocking for you to lose your sweetheart Lucy so suddenly. I'm just glad she was so loved in her all too short life, and didn't suffer at the end. I'm sending prayers for Izzie. I don't have experience of a kitty losing her one and only sibling/furbabe companion, but I guess I would be giving Izzie as many cuddles and as much attention as possible. Maybe help her stress level by rubbing Rescue Remedy in her ears, and using a Feliway plug-in? take care. Let us know how Izzie gets on. love hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please add Lucy to the CLS I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Maggie, I am so sorry. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Maggie, I'm so sorry to hear that Lucy has passed. I am glad that she did not suffer though. That is always a blessing in disguise. So is the fact that you were able to be there with Lucy when she passed. Bless you for loving her and caring for her. Give Izzie all the love and attention you can possibly give her. She'll have to grieve just as you are, which is never easy for anyone. Maybe later on, if she's still very playful and seems lonesome, you can get her another playful companion. Be gentle with yourself Maggie. And again, I'm sorry to hear about sweet Lucy. :) Wendy The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Please add Lucy to the CLS
I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
hi maggie So sorry to hear about Lucy. Having lost 4 babies last year I can relate. I will be praying for Izzie to stay negative. Sally On 3/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
Talk to Izzie and explain to her that Lucy has left this world but is still very close to her. She knows this but her heart is breaking and she isn't really thinking. Like you, she wants Lucy's body close to her and she doesn't have it and she feels very lost. Keep talking to her and explaining this. If you have things of Lucy's--a bed, blanket, etc--let Izzie have them. Also try various flower essences: Rescue Remedy and Red Chestnut come to mind but do a Google search for Bach Remedies or maybe someone else on the list has a better knowledge of them than I do. Feliway may calm her. I use it for anything stressful for Dixie and for the Royal Princess Kitty Katt when she was in this world. Bless you all. Know that Lucy loves you and Izzie. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Please add Lucy to the CLS I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie
Re: Please add Lucy to the CLS
At 04:03 PM 3/1/2007, you wrote: I am so so sorry that you have lost little Lucy, It is good it was peaceful and no suffering, Just asleep in the arms surrounding her with warmth and love. How we continue to do this , but thank goodness for each other, Kelly I haven't been on the list for several months but I wanted to let you know that I lost Lucy on Tuesday morning. It was quick and she didn't seem to suffer. She was cuddled up in my arms and we were sitting on the sofa. She was only sick for a few days and the no one thought she was close to death. Lucy was a sweetheart, she loved to be held and to curl up in my lap. She loved her sister Izzie and they played and slept together. She was just a little over a year old. Izzie originally tested negative, then positive, and then negative. So I'm going to wait a month and have Izzie retested. Please pray for us that she stays negative. I honestly don't know how I could go through this again. Izzie has been seeking a lot of affection and sometimes wanders around meowing and looking. If anyone has any advice how to make this easier for her I would really appreciate it. Thank you for all of your support and wisdom, Maggie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.5/706 - Release Date: 2/28/2007
Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems
Has a vet checked for yeast or mites? Beth Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding any post reagrding Lucy to Michelle. I have not heard from her in several days. I don't want to think about when it may be Junior's turn. He is only 4 and has several problems now. Not that I think he minds, but it bothers me. The eye thing has not resolved itself. He will just have really poor sight out of his good eye. The ears are something else. Has anyone had problems with ears in a FeLV cat. The lobes are swollen and thick and fell thicker everyday. He sometime will paw or scratch but it doesn't seem to bother him, I worry about an ear infection, but there is no discahrge or bad smell. I think sometimes at night just behind the ears feels swollen, but I don't know what it would be. anyone experience this? He actually acts like he feels pretty good. I do wprry of course about everything. Sally Davis -- - TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV.
Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems
Hi Beth He was checked out by a vet and there was no infection or mites just the inflammation. A that time he gave Junior a steroid shot and the swelling went down, but it only lasted a couple of days. I do have some Tresaderm that I am going to use on him. It was given to him last spring after he came home from being hit by a car. He did have mites at that time. His ears have been clear ever since then. One thing today he feels great!. He ran after me thinking he was getting another goody, (he did get one). I have not seen him move that fast in ages. Maybe all the supplements he gets is making him feel better. I love my Junior so much. I am hoping he can make it until March 9th when he has a real appointment scheduled. So far all his visits have been sick visits or getting the immuno-regulin shots. Maybe not he is supposed to get the feline distemper shots. He did not get vaccinated when Tiny did because he was sick at that time. One day at a time. Daisy is out of heat but for how long I don't know. She was only out of heat for two days the last time. Her appointment is Feb 27. Very sorry to hear of you loss Laura. Thanks for being such a good mom. Thanks Sally On 2/15/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has a vet checked for yeast or mites? Beth *Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I am forwarding any post reagrding Lucy to Michelle. I have not heard from her in several days. I don't want to think about when it may be Junior's turn. He is only 4 and has several problems now. Not that I think he minds, but it bothers me. The eye thing has not resolved itself. He will just have really poor sight out of his good eye. The ears are something else. Has anyone had problems with ears in a FeLV cat. The lobes are swollen and thick and fell thicker everyday. He sometime will paw or scratch but it doesn't seem to bother him, I worry about an ear infection, but there is no discahrge or bad smell. I think sometimes at night just behind the ears feels swollen, but I don't know what it would be. anyone experience this? He actually acts like he feels pretty good. I do wprry of course about everything. Sally Davis -- -- TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Pickshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49979/*http://tv.yahoo.com/on Yahoo! TV. --
Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems
I would consider not vaccinating Junior for anything unless the risk of the disease is greater than the risk of the vaccine ---highly unlikely if he stays inside. Dixie will never be vaccinated for anything again. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems Hi Beth He was checked out by a vet and there was no infection or mites just the inflammation. A that time he gave Junior a steroid shot and the swelling went down, but it only lasted a couple of days. I do have some Tresaderm that I am going to use on him. It was given to him last spring after he came home from being hit by a car. He did have mites at that time. His ears have been clear ever since then. One thing today he feels great!. He ran after me thinking he was getting another goody, (he did get one). I have not seen him move that fast in ages. Maybe all the supplements he gets is making him feel better. I love my Junior so much. I am hoping he can make it until March 9th when he has a real appointment scheduled. So far all his visits have been sick visits or getting the immuno-regulin shots. Maybe not he is supposed to get the feline distemper shots. He did not get vaccinated when Tiny did because he was sick at that time. One day at a time. Daisy is out of heat but for how long I don't know. She was only out of heat for two days the last time. Her appointment is Feb 27. Very sorry to hear of you loss Laura. Thanks for being such a good mom. Thanks Sally On 2/15/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has a vet checked for yeast or mites? Beth Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding any post reagrding Lucy to Michelle. I have not heard from her in several days. I don't want to think about when it may be Junior's turn. He is only 4 and has several problems now. Not that I think he minds, but it bothers me. The eye thing has not resolved itself. He will just have really poor sight out of his good eye. The ears are something else. Has anyone had problems with ears in a FeLV cat. The lobes are swollen and thick and fell thicker everyday. He sometime will paw or scratch but it doesn't seem to bother him, I worry about an ear infection, but there is no discahrge or bad smell. I think sometimes at night just behind the ears feels swollen, but I don't know what it would be. anyone experience this? He actually acts like he feels pretty good. I do wprry of course about everything. Sally Davis -- TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. --
Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems
I have 8 other cats 5 are in/out cats, 2 are inside only and one is outside only(her choice). I know it is controversial the Merck Manual says to vaccinate except for FeLV. I do not try to keep them separated because it is less stressful. They are vaccinated against distemper, rabies and FeLV. Tiny did fine with the vaccines he died of something unrelated. I may just do the immuno-regulin. Any other opinions here. Thanks for your opinion. Sally Davis On 2/15/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would consider not vaccinating Junior for anything unless the risk of the disease is greater than the risk of the vaccine ---highly unlikely if he stays inside. Dixie will never be vaccinated for anything again. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2007 3:38 PM *Subject:* Re: Lucy and Michelle/Ear problems Hi Beth He was checked out by a vet and there was no infection or mites just the inflammation. A that time he gave Junior a steroid shot and the swelling went down, but it only lasted a couple of days. I do have some Tresaderm that I am going to use on him. It was given to him last spring after he came home from being hit by a car. He did have mites at that time. His ears have been clear ever since then. One thing today he feels great!. He ran after me thinking he was getting another goody, (he did get one). I have not seen him move that fast in ages. Maybe all the supplements he gets is making him feel better. I love my Junior so much. I am hoping he can make it until March 9th when he has a real appointment scheduled. So far all his visits have been sick visits or getting the immuno-regulin shots. Maybe not he is supposed to get the feline distemper shots. He did not get vaccinated when Tiny did because he was sick at that time. One day at a time. Daisy is out of heat but for how long I don't know. She was only out of heat for two days the last time. Her appointment is Feb 27. Very sorry to hear of you loss Laura. Thanks for being such a good mom. Thanks Sally On 2/15/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has a vet checked for yeast or mites? Beth *Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I am forwarding any post reagrding Lucy to Michelle. I have not heard from her in several days. I don't want to think about when it may be Junior's turn. He is only 4 and has several problems now. Not that I think he minds, but it bothers me. The eye thing has not resolved itself. He will just have really poor sight out of his good eye. The ears are something else. Has anyone had problems with ears in a FeLV cat. The lobes are swollen and thick and fell thicker everyday. He sometime will paw or scratch but it doesn't seem to bother him, I worry about an ear infection, but there is no discahrge or bad smell. I think sometimes at night just behind the ears feels swollen, but I don't know what it would be. anyone experience this? He actually acts like he feels pretty good. I do wprry of course about everything. Sally Davis -- -- TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Pickshttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49979/*http://tv.yahoo.com/on Yahoo! TV. -- -- Junior needs your help with his care fighting Feline Leukemia. Our story www.geocities.com/dmyllas/sally_page.html please help us if you can https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclickbusiness=puttyrat%40k6az.com
Re: Lucy
Please let Michelle know how sorry I am . Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past
RE: Lucy
Oh, poor Michelle. She fought so hard for her girl. Sweetest of Bridge vibes to Lucy, and hugs to Michelle. Diane R. Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Lucy and Michelle
I am forwarding any post reagrding Lucy to Michelle. I have not heard from her in several days. I don't want to think about when it may be Junior's turn. He is only 4 and has several problems now. Not that I think he minds, but it bothers me. The eye thing has not resolved itself. He will just have really poor sight out of his good eye. The ears are something else. Has anyone had problems with ears in a FeLV cat. The lobes are swollen and thick and fell thicker everyday. He sometime will paw or scratch but it doesn't seem to bother him, I worry about an ear infection, but there is no discahrge or bad smell. I think sometimes at night just behind the ears feels swollen, but I don't know what it would be. anyone experience this? He actually acts like he feels pretty good. I do wprry of course about everything. Sally Davis --
Re: Lucy and Michelle
My heart breaks for Michelle and I pray that her grief will ease with time. Lucy was so lucky to have someone love her so much. We love and miss Michelle , but understand that she needs time to heal. She will be in my prayers daily. Sheila
11 Month Old Kitten - Lucy Lu
Hello Group, I'm trying to learn and understand about the Feline Leukemia. Although, back in the 80's, I did have three cats with it, they were older when they caught the disease, and still lived to be in their teens. Back in January, this happened practically overnight. My Lucy Lu, who was only 11 months of age, went down on me. Hiding under the bed, bleeding from the gums, and also had a mouth ulcer. At first, I thought she bit into something that may have cut her, but that evening she started hiding under the bed. The day before, she was acting normal, happy, etc. I took her to the vet the next morning, and he told me to immediately take her to the emergency vet. She had Petechia and eccymosis over her entire ventrum. Grade II-II/Vi systolic murmur. Her PVC was 15%. They also did an in-house Felv/Fiv which was negative. I had her tested when I first adopted her, and she was negative then. They did perform a blood transfusion, but it didn't seem to help much. Her PVC went to 13%, but then dropped to 10% the next day. This is what the told me: The CBC partial report from the las supported the in-house review of blood smear: disproportionate number of wbcs of lymphocyte lineage. 11.2K lymphocytes with only 2.2K neutrophils. O% Reticulocytes. The CBC supports concern for abn wbc's in circulation = likely lymphoma or leukemia. More tests would define type of cancer/leukemia but prognosis was guarded LT and best chance for remission will require chemo (not just steroids - no guarantee for response and ultimately will be fatal. If want to try then should do AUS (but may not be able to do FNA safely with coagulopathy) and BMA. Reiterated that could have IMHA as component, but not just IMHA (IMHA WITH CANCER) and more likely anemic and low platelets due to cancer cells crowding out normal lines in marrow. Now my questions are: Is this common for a Feline Leukemia cat to have petechia and ecchymosis over entire ventrum? Her Platelets were under 50,000 on blood smear. I have read where the bone marrow can sequester Feline Leukemia, and therefore, when blood is taken for these tests, they can be a false negative. Is this true? When I had older cats with Feline Leukemia, they did not have petechia, but since Lucy Lu was so young, maybe that's different, I don't know. Her RBC was 2.53 (5.80-11.00) Hemoglobin 3.7 (8.6-16) Hematocrit - 10.8 (28.0-47/0) Lymphocyte Absolute 11.23 (1.0-7.9) Lymphocytes 82% No mycoplasma seen, however negative finding do not rule out infection. We ended up putting Lucy Lu to sleep. She was so young, and I didn't want to put her through this to make her old before her age, I didn't feel it was fair. However, my mind is wondering, did she possibly have Feline Leukemia? Does this sound typical of Feline Leukemia? Thank you kindly. Tammy Zack
Lucy
Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past
Re: Lucy
GLOW to guide sweet lucy's path to the bridge, and to heal michelle's heart. On 2/10/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy
I am so sorry. May all the angels surround Lucy and Michelle. This is so very hard. Please let Michelle know that Lucy is very grateful for all the love and care. She wants Michelle to know that she did exactly the right things at exactly the right times and that her heart will heal and grow. Lucy was sent to teach Michelle many lessons and Michelle is learning one of the hardest right now. Blessings to her. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Lucy GLOW to guide sweet lucy's path to the bridge, and to heal michelle's heart. On 2/10/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy
This is very sad news. I kept hoping for a miracle. Michelle will be in my prayers. Lance On Feb 10, 2007, at 8:35 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past
Re: Lucy
Thank you for letting us know - I am so very sorry. Michelle loved Lucy so much. elizabeth On 2/10/07, Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Michelle wanted everyone to know Lucy passed yesterday afternoon with help from the vet. She had the vet come to the house. I think it would be appropriate to add her to the CLS. I am so sad. I feel like she was one of my own. I know everything was done for her. Sally Davis, Junior, Speedy, Spike, Grey and WHite. Itlle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver Angels, Fluffy, Tiny, Pumpkin, Lionel, and all the rest from years past
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Michelle, I've learned a lot from you and I really value your opinion. I hope that you just take a break from the list mail and take time for yourself right now. Please don't unsubscribe. Gina Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ditto, Michelle. We all have different feelings and opinions -- and nobody is trying to tell you what to do. What is right for one person isn't right for another. One thing I like about the list is the way we play devil's advocate for one another -- sometimes asking hard questions. Then whoever is on the receiving end can take what they want and leave the rest. Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't go Michelle, we all value your knowledge and input and want to be able to help you (whether by advice or just being an ear to hear) as you have helped so many of us. You having Gray there to be a 2nd pair of eyes is a blessing for YOU. Surely, you trust him to tell you if he thinks you're trying too hard to save Lucy. HIS and YOUR opinions and knowledge of Lucy are the best that exist and you have gone through the deaths of animal friends together before. And the making or not-making of the decision to assist. That said, I certainly see that a break from the list could be helpful to you and your state of mind. Would you be willing to just go No-Mail? GLOW to you and your family for strength, clarity and peace. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:49:31 PM Subject: Lucy and unsubscribing Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. Visit my Tigger Tales site! - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.
more praying for Lucy and Michelle, please
Hi, everyone, I would like to ask you all to pray for Lucy and Michelle - Michelle is thinking of helping her cross tomorrow afternoon and if she gets better, she is planning to cancel the appointment. Please continue to pray that either Lucy will feel better,, if not, pray that Lucy will have the most gentle and peaceful crossing... Hideyo
Re: more praying for Lucy and Michelle, please
Consider it done. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, I would like to ask you all to pray for Lucy and Michelle Michelle is thinking of helping her cross tomorrow afternoon and if she gets better, she is planning to cancel the appointment. Please continue to pray that either Lucy will feel better,, if not, pray that Lucy will have the most gentle and peaceful crossing Hideyo
Re: more praying for Lucy and Michelle, please
Hideyo, Lucy has been in my prayers EVERY night... I have been so worried about Michelle now too.. I will also add Michelle to my prayers. ALL she has been going thru w/ her Lucy, well, I can relate (sadly) all too well... Thank you for posting. Have you been in contact w/ Michelle? If so, please tell her that I am very concerned, and, both she Lucy WILL be in my prayers. Hugs, Patti her clan
Re: more praying for Lucy and Michelle, please
They are in my prayers. Renee In a message dated 2/7/2007 5:35:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: more praying for Lucy and Michelle, please
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Me too. It can be so awful. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: Lucy and unsubscribing Michelle, I just wanted to tell you that you, Lucy and Gray are in my prayers. I am so sorry all of you are having to go through this. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Michelle, I just wanted to tell you that you, Lucy and Gray are in my prayers. I am so sorry all of you are having to go through this. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Ditto, Michelle. We all have different feelings and opinions -- and nobody is trying to tell you what to do. What is right for one person isn't right for another. One thing I like about the list is the way we play devil's advocate for one another -- sometimes asking hard questions. Then whoever is on the receiving end can take what they want and leave the rest. Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Please don't go Michelle, we all value your knowledge and input and want to be able to help you (whether by advice or just being an ear to hear) as you have helped so many of us. You having Gray there to be a 2nd pair of eyes is a blessing for YOU. Surely, you trust him to tell you if he thinks you're trying too hard to save Lucy. HIS and YOUR opinions and knowledge of Lucy are the best that exist and you have gone through the deaths of animal friends together before. And the making or not-making of the decision to assist. That said, I certainly see that a break from the list could be helpful to you and your state of mind. Would you be willing to just go No-Mail? GLOW to you and your family for strength, clarity and peace. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:49:31 PM Subject: Lucy and unsubscribing Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
RE: Lucy
Oh.. sorry-- I did not do a spell check! Yes, I meant precious To one who care for Lucy - Lucy is doing pretty good, actually -- my apology -- I just cannot type!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy No, at least I haven't heard that. I think when Hideyo typed previous, she meant precious. catatonya wrote: Has Lucy passed? t */Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called me and I had a long conversation this afternoon, I have not read Michell's posting or other's postings regarding the topic. I feel very strongly that we are here to support each other and not to be judgemental and not to assume anything.. There was time, when I was losing my kitties one oafter the other, I felt really bad by some of the postings which I felt were judgmental and I decided not to share my problems with my kitties any more on the list -- judgment is the last thing we need when we are going through difficult times with our kitties. A topic of when to say good by is can be very controverrtial issue -- I am probably one of the last person to decide to euthanize a cat -- partly due to my religious belief and partly because, I don't feel right to do it == it does not mean I am selfish - just as I am not going to be convincing people when not to ,, I would like not to be told when to do either.. but I am never going to be judgmental when others due when they do from caring.. We just need to respect each other --I will continue to pray for Michelle and her previous baby, Lucy...' Hideyo
Re: Lucy not eating
Michelle, The thing with force feeding is that it's worth it if it gets them through something, it's not worth it if it doesn't. And the hard thing with that is that you don't know which situation you're in. Give her a day to not eat to see if the appetite will come back of its own accord. Lucy seems to have been eating pretty well so far, and even 10 licks of the baby food is very encouraging. I've gotten to where I'm counting the pieces of kibble that go in on their own and if it's in the double digits, I'll claim success. You know from when you're sick that you can feel ill and not eat, or not eat much for a day, but then the next day, even if still sick, the hunger will get the best of you. You won't be putting her in harm's way if you let her not eat one day, in fact you might be doing her a service as it might be best to have an empty system for a bit to reset it, and you won't be fighting with the force feeding. I know about fatty liver disease, but it's more common for cats to fast and be okay than fast and get FLS. In my experience, the time/energy investment of forcefeeding compared to the amount of food that gets down is disproportionate. Be easy and patient both with yourself and Lucy, you're both doing the best you can. One of my forcefeeding battles resulted in another six months with my Hepburn. Even so, though, I don't know if it was necessary or worth it. Then at the end, I force fed when I shouldn't have. That was FIP (not confirmed through necropsy, but she had the distended belly and the fluid was drawn, etc). I regret putting us through that. If it's a cold, that's fabulous, give it a day to see if the Vick's helps, if the congestion loosens. It seems like she's been on a pendulum back and forth, which makes it exceedingly difficult to find patterns. All this to say that I know that you'll force feed and you're doing the best thing for Lucy. You'll know when to stop if it's necessary. Leslie From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lucy not eating Well, as of last night she will not eat at all. She was hardly eating since I gave her the dex shot the night before, I think because it unmasked her URI and her nose got congested. I have a vicks vaporizer on for that, used nose drops, gave lysine, etc. but it is not clearing up this time. But she was eating a little. I then gave her denosyl for the third night in a row. And I think it made her nauseous, because she has not eaten a thing since and and she looked bad for about an hour afterwards. I looked it up and it can cause vomiting, apparently-- don't know how I missed that the first time. The second night I think it may have made her temporarily nauseous as well, but I thought it was the feline interferon. The result is that she is not eating at all now. I did syringe her a little (about 20 cc' baby food) last night. But she hated it. I don't know what to do. She probably has wet fip. I had told myself I would not torture her by force feeding her when she is terminal anyway. But I don't know now. What if she really is not eating just because her nose is stuffed up from the dex? Monday will be week 2 of epogen and feline interferon-- what if they started working? It is all doubtful. I do not want her last days to be full only of needles, pills, and forced feedings. I also don't want her to die early because of a stuffed up nose, if that is what is going on. what to do? Please pray for her. thanks, Michelle
Re: Lucy (michelle, bless you, I'm so sorry I have to say this to you)
I care about you, and really want you to know I say this with every bit of compassion and care I can. I know you are suffering and confused, and desperate. Please know I have Lucy's well-being at heart when I say this to you... No, you are absolutely WRONG! Oh please do NOT attempt home euthanasia/sedation! Especially with expired drugs and old dull dirty needles?! My god, are you listening to yourself Michelle? Please THINK, ok? My step-dad did that with one of my mom's dogs, and it was HORRIBLE, my mom is still permanently traumatized, she had to hold the squealing, writhing, and miserable suffering dog all the way to the vet 30 miles away after my step dad tried to do it at home. PLEASE leave the euthanasia to the professionals I think you are really at the end of your rope, and not being rational anymore. Please believe me when I say it is MUCH better to euthanise a little too soon than even a little too late! But, for god's sake, don't try to do it yourself! You, yourself, in one of your last emails said it's obvious she is suffering at times. Do you really need any more of a sign than that? Lucy has lived a wonderful long life, full of love and good times, it is her time to leave. You can't fight it, you can't beat it, you can only prolong the end. The question is, is it something you SHOULD be prolonging? Is she HAPPY right now? Can you truly say she is HAPPY, and COMFORTABLE? Or are you just trying to convince yourself that she's Not suffering too bad? Then you must ask, is ANY suffering good? That will be your answer. Bless you Michelle, I know you are in such pain, and don't want to let go or give up on her, but you're so close to the subject that you can't get any perspective. Please take a step back and really CONSIDER the situation. Please take this as it's intended... I mean you no insult, but you are not being rational anymore. Phaewryn
Lucy and unsubscribing
Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle
Michelle and Lucy
Michelle, You and Lucy are still in my prayers. I'm sorry you're upset by something that's been said. I just skipped about 900 messages because I was worried when I saw you said unsubscribe and thought you had lost Lucy. Please reconsider. You are in a terrible place right now and you need the group. When I'm in a bad place I need your support and wealth of knowledge as well. You belong here, and anyone who knows you knows that you give your all for your cats (and dogs and horses) and doesn't question or judge your decisions. When one of my cats gets sick you are one of the first people I want in my corner. You belong here, and Lucy will let you know (as she is doing now) whether she wants to stay or go. I'm just so sorry you're going through all of this. You've had more than your share over the last year. take care, tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Oh Michelle PLEASE do not leave us.You have been here for me so many times and it just would not be the same without you here.Phaewryn was not trying to hurt you and maybe she misunderstood what you were saying.That is so easy to do while communicating this way.PLEASE reconsider. Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle - Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
Lucy
Has Lucy passed? t Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called me and I had a long conversation this afternoon, I have not read Michell's posting or other's postings regarding the topic. I feel very strongly that we are here to support each other and not to be judgemental and not to assume anything.. There was time, when I was losing my kitties one oafter the other, I felt really bad by some of the postings which I felt were judgmental and I decided not to share my problems with my kitties any more on the list -- judgment is the last thing we need when we are going through difficult times with our kitties. A topic of when to say good by is can be very controverrtial issue -- I am probably one of the last person to decide to euthanize a cat -- partly due to my religious belief and partly because, I don't feel right to do it == it does not mean I am selfish - just as I am not going to be convincing people when not to ,, I would like not to be told when to do either.. but I am never going to be judgmental when others due when they do from caring.. We just need to respect each other --I will continue to pray for Michelle and her previous baby, Lucy...' Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 6:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: My Dearest Michelle Oh Michelle, I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine how awful it must be to be in the middle of this torment and feel like you have to stay away from the usual support of the list because we've hurt you even more. I'm so upset, I've been so upset right along side you throughout this. All I want to do is ease your burdens and help Lucy in whatever way I can and I'm falling so short of doing that. It sounds familiar, huh? Maybe I should take my own advice and stop struggling so hard to help fix things. I wasn't sure if I should write to you. I wasn't sure if any thing I had to say would be welcome. I've given you my phone number, I'm here supporting you day and night, even if you never pick up the phone. I don't want to intrude any more than I have, I just wanted you to know that I care and I'm so sorry for all you guys are going through. You asked how you would know what Lucy wants, how to know if she is ready ... That's part of the reason I've been so insistent about quieting yourself, quieting all the stress, you need to be quiet and still to hear her. The experience I had with Spencer will stay with me forever. That last day shared with him was full of love and magic. I've never been more connected in love with another being. It wasn't like I planned to call the vet when he could no longer hold up his head, until he was so exhausted that he no longer was able to move, I simply waited until I /knew/ he was ready. Until I knew we were through saying our goodbyes. It was sort of like seeing someone off at the railway terminal and even though their train isn't leaving for another couple of hours, it's still time to part, there's nothing more to say or experience, so you walk away with a hug and a kiss and tears running down your face. He truly seemed to be telling me, it's okay Mom, it's time for me to leave. From what you last described with Lucy, it doesn't sound like she's there yet. Only the three of you will know if she wants help crossing. No one else can tell you that. Trust the connection you share, you said that you have made arrangements if her suffering becomes too great, in the meantime bask in her companionship for as long as you can. It may seem ridiculous, but I'm still praying for miracles. I'm praying for you, Gray and Lucy to share the kind of intimacy that Spencer and I had. I'm praying for strength and comfort for you. I'm praying that you feel the love that so many people are sending your way to try and help you through this. Maybe it's not such a bad thing to go off list for a while. This time is sacred and I know you want to focus your attention on Lucy, if being on list causes you more anguish, or pulls your attention from Lucy in any way, then staying away from the computer may be what you need to do. With much love, Nina
Re: Lucy
No, at least I haven't heard that. I think when Hideyo typed previous, she meant precious. catatonya wrote: Has Lucy passed? t */Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Michelle has unsubscribed the list -- Michelled called me and I had a long conversation this afternoon, I have not read Michell's posting or other's postings regarding the topic. I feel very strongly that we are here to support each other and not to be judgemental and not to assume anything.. There was time, when I was losing my kitties one oafter the other, I felt really bad by some of the postings which I felt were judgmental and I decided not to share my problems with my kitties any more on the list -- judgment is the last thing we need when we are going through difficult times with our kitties. A topic of when to say good by is can be very controverrtial issue -- I am probably one of the last person to decide to euthanize a cat -- partly due to my religious belief and partly because, I don't feel right to do it == it does not mean I am selfish - just as I am not going to be convincing people when not to ,, I would like not to be told when to do either.. but I am never going to be judgmental when others due when they do from caring.. We just need to respect each other --I will continue to pray for Michelle and her previous baby, Lucy...' Hideyo
Re: Lucy and unsubscribing
Please don't go Michelle, we all value your knowledge and input and want to be able to help you (whether by advice or just being an ear to hear) as you have helped so many of us. You having Gray there to be a 2nd pair of eyes is a blessing for YOU. Surely, you trust him to tell you if he thinks you're trying too hard to save Lucy. HIS and YOUR opinions and knowledge of Lucy are the best that exist and you have gone through the deaths of animal friends together before. And the making or not-making of the decision to assist. That said, I certainly see that a break from the list could be helpful to you and your state of mind. Would you be willing to just go No-Mail? GLOW to you and your family for strength, clarity and peace. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:49:31 PM Subject: Lucy and unsubscribing Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out of the way. I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat (even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed. To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done so. I do not think this is irrational. I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote something in the subject line about allowing suffering. Given that I had just come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too ridiculous to read. This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group. But this group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So I am unsubscribing. Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and emotional support. But I am done with the group. Michelle No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail
Re: Lucy not eating
I would do the force feeding if she's not fighting it too much. If she's miserable and fighting it, I may consider it time to make that hard decision. Poor Lucy, your both have my sympathy, it's a tragic twist of fate for both of you. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Lucy
I don't think I am going to do the dex again. She has been eating about 3-4 jars of baby food a day, and ate about 3 yesterday. But she has hardly eaten since I gave her the dex. I think today she has eaten at most 1/5 of a jar of baby food and a couple of licks of a/d, and it is almost noon. I hope it is just because of the congestion that came back with the dex and that it will go away. But last time when dex gave her congestion she still had an appetite-- more of one, actually. So I am scared she is just stopping eating. I don't want to have to syringe her. She is already so displeased with me. Gray, is reflecting light off a cd onto the ceiling, which Lucy loves, and she is following it around the room with her head and eyes from the top of the cat tree. She has always loved moving light; she is the only one out of all of them who ever liked a laser toy, and she used to love it. She won't look at it now. Michelle
To Michelle Re: Lucy update
Michelle, Reading this email just broke my heart. I can hear in your words how very much you love Lucy. I wish I could just hug both of you and do something for you both. No matter how strong my faith is, I always have questions. Everyone doesn't get to experience the natural cycle of life. Some have to go sooner, or more violently, or have to suffer. And those that should suffer, those who cause pain in the world, often aren't the ones chosen to suffer. Why? I don't know. I just have to let all the good that does happen outshine the bad. I hate that you might lose Lucy. She seems like so much more than a companion for you. Please gather strength from our prayers, and know that we are all thinking of you. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Lucy screamed while they were feeling around her belly trying to find the place to put the needle in, but while they drained she just laid in my arms and purred. The fluid, which I was told was clear and thin on January 16 and 17 when samples were taken, looked pale yellow to me and the vet said the consistency was a bit thick. He sent some more out to be analyzed, but he feels quite sure it is fip. He filled a small bowl 2 or 3 times with fluid-- I would guess at least 100 or 200 cc's. And when the fluid stopped coming, he said he had reached the end of that pocket, but she still has a huge belly. He said he did not want to keep poking her all over trying to find the pockets to drain it from, and wants me to just see how she does with that much drained. He did not think her breathing was bad to begin with. He put the 1/2 cc dexamethasone shot into the catheter when it stopped draining. He said her belly may fill up faster now, since proteins were taken out of circulation by draining from the abdomen and lower proteins enable more effusion. I guess that is why some people have said it filled up faster after being drained. He was amazed that she is still eating. I think it must just be all the pred. I asked for leukeran. He wants to wait a couple of days and see what the new fluid analysis says and how she does on the increased pred and the dex that she got in her belly today. He is worried the leukeran might suppress her bone marrow more. He really does not think the fluid is from ibd or lymphoma, as he said he has never seen either create anywhere near this amount of fluid. She was happy to get home and walked around a little, though she looked a little wobbly. At one point she actually ran for about 20 feet or so, and her poor jelly belly swung from side to side as she did. Now she is camped out on the heating pad by her new favorite spot, a bookshelf where she heard a mouse this morning. She has been purring a lot more today, I think because I gave her more pred this morning and maybe she has had some fever and that took it away, I don't know. I so don't want to lose her, but know what Hideyo said is right. I asked the vet about coming to the home for euthanasia at some point and he said he will if he can schedule-wise. I asked him what will get her, as I have never had a cat with wet fip before. He did not know, as most people euthanize at diagnosis of wet fip he said. Does anyone know? Is it likely to be her anemia? Or will something else happen? He said she will probably stop eating at some point, despite the steroids. I do not think I will want to force-feed her, unless she seems to be otherwise feeling good. Right now she is falling asleep. She is my baby. Michelle Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
RE: Lucy--what to do?
My dear Michelle- I am sorry that Lucy is still not eating - I don't know if this will make you feel a bit better or not.. my Ginger who is Felk positive have gone through a period that she did not eat anything at all over 3 months.. but the weird thing was, she did not act like she was sick or feeling sick.. just did not want to eat anything - she has done this for a couple of times for the past three years I have had her - and eventually she started eating - thank god..- obviously this is not the same situation with Lucy's case. I don't know if Lucy actually does have FIP.. if she does indeed have FIP, anorexia is a common symptom, and almost to be expected as part of the symptoms...all of my kitties with FIP stopped eating way before they got really sick, usually they feel nauseated due to the liver problem, but I don't know if this is what's happening to Lucy, either- Michelle, this just has been the first day, but even if she does not want to eat tomorrow - don't be in despair..see if you can assist feed her - sometimes, they just forget to eat (I know it sounds weird- that's how it was with Ginger).. I have been syringe feeding Ghandi and Ayumi for over 3 months now as they cannot eat on their own for different reasons.. but I keep my hopes.. and take one day at a time..and I do pray and keeping my hope for your baby Lucy.. she is going to overcome this somehow.. she always has... I don't know what's the best thing to give for Lucy - as I have asked for Nina for advise as to what I should do for my babies in the past.. and she would tell me her suggestion.. and I went ahead and did what I was going to do anyway against Nina's suggestion...:-) I am just that way.. If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don't know for sure either... Please know that you and your baby Lucy are in my deep thought and prayers... Hugs, Hideyo.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 11:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? Dearest Michelle, As I wrote before, I just went through this same push/pull anxiety with Spencer. It's enough to give you a nervous breakdown. I'm feeling your pain right through the computer. I know Lucy is in bad shape, but it does sound like she's at least comfortable for the most part. When you talk about worsening symptoms, are you referring to her not eating? Today is the first time she hasn't eaten on her own, is that right? Stress will put her off her food, perhaps she's just regaining her strength. The thought of her enjoying a sun bath is encouraging. She may be strong enough to wait for the experts to decide a treatment protocol. I wish I had the answers for you Michelle. I'm afraid that no matter how much support we have from others, it always comes down to our call when dealing with so this sort of quandary. All I can tell you is that after I calmed my spirit and communed with Spencer, (my last experience with what you are going through), I felt a little more at peace with the circumstances. Unfortunately, Spencer did not have a long time left to share with me. I never gave up hope, but I did find a semblance of acceptance and peace. The benefit was that the time we did share was full of unconditional love, and I don't know how else to put it, full of quality. It didn't keep him with me in the physical, but it allowed us to bond in an extraordinary way. It was an incredible gift that we shared, at a very costly price. I'll always be grateful to him for the lessons learned during that heartrending time. I have no idea what I would do in your place. Missing the pieces of the puzzle make it so very difficult to make these sorts of decisions with conviction. I would never take the advice of anyone over what my own gut was telling me though. The specialists may be well meaning, they may even be sympathetic, but to them Lucy is a medical case, to you she is your heart. The way I see it is we are responsible for interpreting the wishes of our fur children and making sure that our decisions are based on love and not fear. You are the one that has to live with the consequences, no matter what those consequences may be. Clear your head. Sit quietly with her, your next move will come to you. All my love, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Bank called to say that now I do not have a return appointment for tomorrow, that the cytology reports won't be back until tomorrow, and that I will get a call tomorrow morning after the oncologist and internist look at the reports, with a plan. Meanwhile, this morning Lucy is not eating at all. I syringed her a little food, but am concerned at the worsening of symptoms. Her back end seems ok now, but she is drinking more. her fever went down last night with fluids and ice packs, but she is warm again-- but can't tell
Re: Lucy--what to do?
I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way worse. In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don’t know for sure either…
RE: Lucy--what to do?
Oh.. I meant - to tape it down.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 5:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do? I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way worse. In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don't know for sure either...
Re: Lucy--what to do?
You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't do that. Once they have been on steroids long-term, you can't just stop it. It causes adrenal and circulatory problems and would make her feel way worse. In a message dated 2/2/2007 6:59:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I were you, I might just let her body recoup and give it a break from all the drugs a bit.. but I am not there to see her.. I don't know for sure either…
Re: Lucy--what to do?
oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: Lucy--what to do?
It sounds like you have such a bond with her. She knows you are taking care of her...mine always seem to know. Please kiss sweet Lucy for me. I'm glad she is able to eat some. elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: Lucy
Just curious, but what about Depo/Dex mixed or some OTHER form of steroid (maybe something you have not tried yet)? Or would that flare her IBD so bad it would make her miserable? And what about lasix for the fluid accumulation? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Lucy--what to do?
I'm sure you've read a ton of material on this, Michelle - I've only just begun to learn about this because of your experience. I found this in the Merck Veterinary Manual (you've probably already seen it)...(looked it up - 1kg = 2.20462262lb) Treatment is directed toward controlling the immune-mediated vasculitis and reducing viral load. The most effective treatments are combinations of prednisolone (4 mg/kg or 50-100 mg/m2, PO, sid) and cyclophosphamide (2-4 mg/kg, PO, sid for 4 consecutive days of each week). Alternatively, the cyclophosphamide can be given at 50 mg/m2, PO, every 48 hr or 200-300 mg/m2, every 2-3 wk. Other cytotoxic agents may be substituted for the cyclophosphamide, such as chlorambucil at 10 mg/m2, PO, every 2-3 wk. Because this cytotoxic therapy may suppress bone marrow cells, the hemogram should be monitored weekly and the cat observed carefully for signs of sepsis. Supportive therapy for FIP is important and includes broad-spectrum antibiotics, adequate nutrition and fluid intake, and high doses of ascorbic acid (125-250 mg, bid). The use of low doses of aspirin (10 mg/kg every 48-72 hr) may be useful as an anti-inflammatory and possibly antithrombotic agent when used along with the steroids and cytotoxic agents. Treatment directed toward controlling the virus includes systemic interferon-a (10,000 U/kg, SC, sid or 1.3 million U/m2, SC, 3 times/wk). I don't mean to send you things you already know -- I just feel so frustrated because I want to help so much and I just don't know how. love and hugs, elizabeth On 2/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: Lucy--what to do? - pentoxifylline?
I've been praying for Lucy and visualizing her healthy. I've also been looking over various bits of FIP info on the web. I've come across references to pentoxifylline (Trental made by Aventis Pharmaceuticals). I was unable to find a reference to Trental in recent digests, so I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about it. If you're interested, Google pentoxifylline FIP. Lance On Feb 2, 2007, at 7:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: oh my, my vet. Well, my vet probably really wishes I would stop asking him these questions every day. My vet thinks there is no way to figure out what is happening, and that I should just decide on something and he will give me the meds. He is very accommodating, but not very decisive. He think she has wet fip, he thinks there is not all that much to do, he is surprised she has been eating to date, he has never heard of some of the stuff I have had him order to put her on (feline interferon) and has never used other stuff (epogen) and I think that he thinks I am trying to solve something without a solution. I was gradually tapering her until yesterday-- she was down to 10 mg/day. And she seemed way more lethargic. Which is why I decided to go the other way and gave her the dex. Now I am going back to 12.5 mg/day of prednisolone and seeing if that helps. She is up at the top of the cat tree again, though she needed some help to get to the top rung this time because her belly is so big it's hard for her to pull herself up there. I am surprised she is up there, because earlier she was so exhausted just from going to the litterbox that she laid down on her way back to take a break. She is eating some again, thank God, but not nearly as much as she was pre-dex. And I can not measure it anymore, because she is only interested in freshly opened jars of baby food today, and then only eats a little, so I have many open jars with a little bit gone and no idea how much she has eaten. I would guess maybe one jar full. Normally by this time of night she has been eating 2 or 2.5 jars full. But at least she is eating something. I syringed her a little food as well with herb tinctures I just got from Robert MacDowell in Australia, and she did not seem to mind so much, so maybe I should syringe her more, I don't know. I hate to bother her so much. she is very purry again, though. I really love her. thanks for asking, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 8:06:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can always gradually taper off. What does your vet say? How is Lucy doing this evening? elizabeth
Re: Lucy--what to do? - pentoxifylline?
Thank you. I have heard of it, and have read up on it. It seems to help sometimes with FIP. However, it's a blood thinner, and she is really anemic right now, so I would be afraid to try it. Also, I think all the meds I have given her have made her not want to eat much, so I don't think I want to start new ones on top. thanks for looking up things for us though, Michelle In a message dated 2/2/2007 10:02:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been praying for Lucy and visualizing her healthy. I've also been looking over various bits of FIP info on the web. I've come across references to pentoxifylline (Trental made by Aventis Pharmaceuticals). I was unable to find a reference to Trental in recent digests, so I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about it. If you're interested, Google pentoxifylline FIP. Lance
Please send more prayers for Lucy
It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
I am with you two Michelle. Paolo
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Michelle, I haven't been able to read many of the post lately but I am praying for you and precious Lucy. Have you thought about the IR to try to help with the fevers? I don't know it may not be something she needs. Cindy Reasoner --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
My prayers for you both will continue, Michelle. Give Lucy a hug; I am so glad she seems to be comfortable and calmer. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle
RE: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Lucy and you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly. She is such a little trooper!.KM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please send more prayers for Lucy It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Love and Prayers to you both. elizabeth On 2/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle
RE: Please send more prayers for Lucy
Michelle - I am glad that you and Lucy are calmer -- when you get a/g ratio, even if it's low, don't put too much weight on it - most of my cats I have have the ratio 0.2 or 0.3 (which is really really low) but they don't have FIP - just as reference.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Please send more prayers for Lucy Lucy and you are in my thoughts and prayers constantly. She is such a little trooper!.KM -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 9:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Please send more prayers for Lucy It seemed to help so much last time. Yesterday morning she had such a spike in energy from getting extra steroids the day before-- climbing a cat tree, going outside, walking around, meowing, coming upstairs. But then she got feverish and was out of it for a while. Since last night, and this morning, she has seemed very comfortable-- purring, lays in comfortable positions, alert, still eating baby food though perhaps a little less (hard to tell). She gets up every once in a while and walks to another room to pick a new spot to sleep in, or to go to the litterbox. She moves slowly. I think her anemia is worse. But she is so calm, alert, and purry, and her URI symptoms seem a bit better, perhaps since I lowered her steroids a bit yesterday. I briefly thought about transfusion again, but she seems so much more content than she has in a while, and is so calm and purry, that I really don't want to put her through anything. So I will continue the feline interferon and epogen, and her clindamycin and pred, and hope that something kicks in. Please pray for her as much as you can-- it really seemed to help last time. I did a phone consult with a vet at Cornell yesterday who said it is possible she has toxo, though probably less likely than fip, but if it were him he would slowly try to lower her steroids rather than upping them to give her a chance for the abx to work if it is toxo. So I may try to do that very slowly, still not sure. But am holding off on steroid shots right now for that reason and because, while the dex shot seemed to give her a few hours of a lot of energy, she then got feverish for the first time in a week and her uri symptoms came back for 2 days. Not sure if it was the steroids, but it could have been. So I think I will keep the shots in reserve for now and try to hold the status quo. thanks for all your support. It's strange, but even though I think she is weaker, I feel calmer right now because she seems so calm and alert and comfortable, and because she purrs and does not have that miserable far-of look about her. I think when she gets that she is feverish. Anyway, I am a bit calmer for the time being. I will get new cytology report today with cell description and hopefully albumin/globulin ratio. I got numbers yesterday and her protein levels in her effusion went down from 64 to 41, but her wbc and rbc count in it also went down a lot. She had a ton more fluid this time, I think because of all the sub-q's we were giving her, so the local vet just thinks her fluid was more diluted this time and that's why the protein levels went down. They are still high-- higher than the minimum considered compatible with fip. And her fluid was light yellow when drawn. I still have not been able to get an answer as to what toxo fluid looks like, though, or its likely cytology. But she is meeting a lot of the effusive fip criteria now. I still hope it's toxo. thanks again, michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Please send more prayers for Lucy
The lab wouldn't do it, just did total protein and globulin, but my vet said he could calculate it from that since protein is mostly albumin plus globulin, and he got .555. The cytology report called the fluid straw colored and cloudy. Total protein 4.2, total wbc .88 thousand, specific gravity 1.028. looking more like fip, though of course not definitive still. In a message dated 2/1/2007 12:29:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – I am glad that you and Lucy are calmer -- when you get a/g ratio, even if it’s low, don’t put too much weight on it – most of my cats I have have the ratio 0.2 or 0.3 (which is really really low) but they don’t have FIP – just as reference..
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP-- Beth
Beth, how long did Ally live after diagnosis? Did you treat her with anything that seemed to help make her more comfortable? thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/20/2007 11:11:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I am sorry you haven't had any good replies yet over on the FIP list, I am on that list too, they usually run slower and less detailed on replies than this amazing felv list. I don't have experience with FIP like the breeders on the list, but they often seem to distrust FIP diagnoses. Have you been to Dr. Addie's site on FIP? I believe she has a worksheet there that can help rule FIP in or out. My Ally was diagnosed as wet FIP by her regular vet, I am still not sure she was right, but here are the symptoms she had: lethargy recurring URI (whenever we tried to wean her off antibiotics) recurring fevers inappetance red swimmer's ear infection that wouldn't clear fluid in abdomen (not thick, barely tinted yellow inconsistent with FIP) big belly within a week. FCoV titre - 1:100 (again, not very indicative of FIP) FeLV+ FIP is so frustrating, I guess all of these symptoms can result from other problems. It sounds to me like you are treating her in the best possible manner. The only way I can see the surgery being helpful is if it could find another treatable cause of her symptoms. If it only rules FIP in or out, I too would choose not to put her through it. She has been fighting the fevers much better than my Ally did, so it may very well be something else. I so hope that she is rallying again as I type this... Strength, Beth
Re: internist thinks Lucy has FIP-- Beth
Hi Michelle, It breaks my heart to read of all you and Lucy are going through. I am so sorry. I will look for my paperwork on Ally to pinpoint her timeline, but as I remember, it was roughly something as follows: Live trapped at 6 weeks, sores on tongue, URI, eyes gunked shut, 14 oz. -10 days Amox? for URI, gentamycin for eyes 7 weeks: gained 1/2 pound, eyes clear, URI apparently gone -received first vaccines, (in retrospect, a mistake) test FeLV+ Next 2-3 weeks: finishes 10 day course of Amox., URI returns Switch to Clavamox, URI returns whenever we try to stop it. Eyes remain clean and healthy. 8 or 9 weeks: Notice scattering of teensy black dots in left ear. I rub them off and they don't return. Not earmites. I think it was the FIP putting holes in her capillaries. The next day her other ear is bright red. Vet gives panalog ointment, it does little to help. Appetite starts to lessen. Activity does too, but I don't notice at first because she just seems less aggresive, still very alert and bright-eyed. 10-12 weeks: Appetite and weight gain bad enough that I am syringe- feeding, although some days she does eat on her own. Spikes a high fever (106?) which comes down with steroids from the vet. I notice her belly swelling slightly at about 10.5 weeks, mention it to the vet, who doesn't see it. I start asking questions about FIP before the vet mentions it. She wants to do steroids and wait and see. Fever returns, doesn't respond as well to steroids or antibiotics. She goes between fever eyes and feeling better. Spends a lot of time cuddling (for warmth?) and purring. Belly develops a classic FIP look over the weekend. When the fever is down, she doesn't appear to be suffering, but when it is up, she looks terrible. Weight gain is just from fluid, anorexia is now apparent, spine protrudes in knobs from her back. I spent most of her last nite holding her on my chest, took her in when the vet opened for pts. She was in that inward fever stare and didn't seem aware of her surroundings. I will have to look at my records to see exactly what she was getting at the vets, she may have had a vitamin B shot at the first fever, along with prednisolone, but I'm not sure. I think that from the time her belly first looked swollen to me, to the end was only about 1.5 to 2 weeks. Your Lucy is bigger and stronger and has had much more knowledgeable care from you, she seems to be hanging in there better. I think I have read that FOI works better for wet FIP than for dry, I am so hoping that that is the case for Lucy. As far as making her comfortable, I don't think the big belly is painful for them, but the fevers make them feel awful. Controlling those as best you can and giving her a choice of warm and cool places to lay (as you have been) seems to me to be the most comforting thing you can do. And letting her curl-up on top of you when she wants. The amount of care and devotion you have shown to her through the IBD problems has been an inspiration to me. I hope that I can muster something like the same strength when my Will starts to have problems. I wish like anything you were not going through this. Hugs, Beth
RE: Michelle and Lucy
Michelle, I just read your message, and it broke my heart. I will keep both of you in my prayers. I have never lost an FeLV cat, because I have never owned one. Now i do, Lord help me, I love this little guy so. Went through the draining thing with my beloved Smokey last July, He had fluid in his chest, as it turned out from cancer. I know everyone is rooting for you both. God bless, Dede --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You and Lucy are both in my prayers, Michelle. As with all of us on the list, breaks my heart to see you go through this. Please don't give up hope--I know it's hard, but while your little trooper Lucy still fights this illness, I would think she needs to know you're right there fighting with her When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
Re: Lucy update
I don't know the answer to that. I have had cats die from dry FIP but not wet. The conversation I had with my vet about the wet version was when I was at his clinic in the back - he was working off and on on some of our rescue group's cats and a kitty was brought back to have fluid drawn from her abdomen -- it was that awful straw color that gives you the diagnosis you never want to hear - I will never forget that color. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:yes, you are probably right. It is possible to keep draining it, but how many times do you do that? as long as they are still eating? I don't know. But you probably are right. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:27:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are euthanized. I may be wrong but I think that is how my vet described it. Keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. She has such a lot of spirit.
RE: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
My heart goes out to you Michelle. I understand all of those feelings. Thinking of you and Lucy. Chris From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: taking Lucy to get fluid drained Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:05:17 EST I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Yes, that's right. Michelle In a message dated 1/29/2007 10:13:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They did aspirate fluid, though, right? And it was definitely in the abdomen and NOT in the chest cavity, right? Didn't you say it was clear, and not straw colored like FIP usually is, or was that someone else's cat?
RE: Please pray for Lucy
It can -- as anything is possible with FIP -- but it can be suggestive if all of other signs are present, and usually the corona virus titer is greater than 1600 -- again,, my naomi's titer was only 1:400 and she had FIP -- but if Lucy's titer is very small or none - the possibility of her having FIP will go down siginicantly.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy my understanding is that a cat with FIP can show a low or even no corona virus titre, as the titre shows recent exposure to an active corona virus itself, not to the mutated form. On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, that should be the first step in any FIP diagnosis. I really find it completely unfathomable that they didn't do a Corona titer when they suspected FIP. True, if it's positive, it could still be anything, but if it's negative, that completely eliminates the possibility of FIP, and allows you to move in another direction towards the true cause of the illness. They did aspirate fluid, though, right? And it was definitely in the abdomen and NOT in the chest cavity, right? Didn't you say it was clear, and not straw colored like FIP usually is, or was that someone else's cat? I'm sorry I was gone for 2 days.. I had family things I had to do. I'm glad Lucy is hanging in there! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Please pray for Lucy
Since it would not be conclusive, and since I am sure she has been exposed to corona virus since I adopted her from a shelter, I don't want to remove the amount of blood necessary to test her, since she is so anemic. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:49:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It can -- as anything is possible with FIP -- but it can be suggestive if all of other signs are present, and usually the corona virus titer is greater than 1600 -- again,, my naomi's titer was only 1:400 and she had FIP -- but if Lucy's titer is very small or none - the possibility of her having FIP will go down siginicantly..
RE: Please pray for Lucy
Oh no.. I understand - -I wouldn't do it either if I were you.. I just was making comments from diagnostic stand point -How is Lucy tonight? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy Since it would not be conclusive, and since I am sure she has been exposed to corona virus since I adopted her from a shelter, I don't want to remove the amount of blood necessary to test her, since she is so anemic. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:49:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It can -- as anything is possible with FIP -- but it can be suggestive if all of other signs are present, and usually the corona virus titer is greater than 1600 -- again,, my naomi's titer was only 1:400 and she had FIP -- but if Lucy's titer is very small or none - the possibility of her having FIP will go down siginicantly..
Re: Please pray for Lucy
She just laid around all day, very lethargic. When I woke up at 2:30 she was walking around the room looking at food bowls, so I fed her baby food and she ate almost a jar. She then purred a lot when I pet and kissed her for a while, and after I pilled her she washed herself. I just upped her pred again. Her belly is super big. Gray thinks we shouldn't give her fluids anymore because he thinks they go to her belly, but the vet had said that would only be possible if she had low proteins in her blood, which she doesn't. I am going to ask my vet tomorrow about draining. She is laying on her heating pad right now. Her belly is so big that she often has to lay in strange positions to accommodate it. It is very frightening. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:57:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh no.. I understand - -I wouldn’t do it either if I were you.. I just was making comments from diagnostic stand point –How is Lucy tonight?
RE: Please pray for Lucy
I know it's scary to see it - but she must not be in pain, just uncomfortable - My first FIP boy, which was about 4 years ago, he actually developed FIP right after I gave him baytrill for some reason.. he stopped eating right after he got pills, and he accumulated fluid in his tummy, he passed away within 72 hours - Michelle - do you want to read an article of the study that Mr. Ishida did.. if so, I can forward you a copy.. I think a draining will make her feel more comfortable for sure ..and they can send it to a lab to find out more about it --- _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy She just laid around all day, very lethargic. When I woke up at 2:30 she was walking around the room looking at food bowls, so I fed her baby food and she ate almost a jar. She then purred a lot when I pet and kissed her for a while, and after I pilled her she washed herself. I just upped her pred again. Her belly is super big. Gray thinks we shouldn't give her fluids anymore because he thinks they go to her belly, but the vet had said that would only be possible if she had low proteins in her blood, which she doesn't. I am going to ask my vet tomorrow about draining. She is laying on her heating pad right now. Her belly is so big that she often has to lay in strange positions to accommodate it. It is very frightening. In a message dated 1/30/2007 3:57:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh no.. I understand - -I wouldn't do it either if I were you.. I just was making comments from diagnostic stand point -How is Lucy tonight?
Re: Please pray for Lucy
I read a summary of the article, but if you have the article in full I would love to read it. Thanks, In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know it’s scary to see it – but she must not be in pain, just uncomfortable – My first FIP boy, which was about 4 years ago, he actually developed FIP right after I gave him baytrill for some reason.. he stopped eating right after he got pills, and he accumulated fluid in his tummy, he passed away within 72 hours – Michelle – do you want to read an article of the study that Mr. Ishida did.. if so, I can forward you a copy.. I think a draining will make her feel more comfortable for sure ..and they can send it to a lab to find out more about it ---
Re: Please pray for Lucy
that's kind of what i meant--yes, FIP means there's been a corona virus exposure/infection, but it is still possible for an FIP-positive cat to not show a high titre. might not be COMMON, but just as a high titre doesn't prove FIP, a low one doesn't exclude it either. kind of like a negative FeLV test doesn't mean a cat is negative.. or that a positive one doesn't mean the cat is positive, either On 1/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't have FIP without Corona, the Corona mutates into FIP, but it doesn't make it so that it's not Corona, it just creates the condition known as FIP (it's not the virus that mutates, it's the condition that mutates, if that makes sense). At least that's how I read it from Dr. Addie's site. It is very rare for a cat with FIP to not show a Corona titer, and I included that explanation below... FIP occurs when the cat reacts inappropriately to feline coronavirus (FCoV) infection. Most cats simply become infected, shed FCoV for a month or two, mount an immune response, eliminate the virus and live happily ever after. However, for reasons that we don't yet fully understand, instead of clearing FCoV infection, an unfortunate few cats develop FIP. The presence of antibodies indicates that the cat has been infected with FCoV, the cause of FIP. Any FCoV antibody titre can occur in cases of wet or effusive FIP, but most cats with FIP have extremely high antibody titres (1280 or greater). Antibody titres of 0 are unusual in FIP cases and are usually considered as indicating that the cat does not have FIP. (However, if other parameters suggest a diagnosis of FIP, despite having an antibody titre of 0, then this is the one situation where FCoV RNA detection (RT-PCR), performed on a sample of the effusion, is diagnostic of FIP. In these cats there is so much virus in the effusion that all the antibody is bound to it, and none is available to bind to virus in the test.) Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Please pray for Lucy
I will email it to you.. as it's interesting to read the whole thing.. I am going to receive acemmanan tomorrow - my back orders is coming in - you might want to order for Lucy ... _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Please pray for Lucy I read a summary of the article, but if you have the article in full I would love to read it. Thanks, In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:12:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know it's scary to see it - but she must not be in pain, just uncomfortable - My first FIP boy, which was about 4 years ago, he actually developed FIP right after I gave him baytrill for some reason.. he stopped eating right after he got pills, and he accumulated fluid in his tummy, he passed away within 72 hours - Michelle - do you want to read an article of the study that Mr. Ishida did.. if so, I can forward you a copy.. I think a draining will make her feel more comfortable for sure ..and they can send it to a lab to find out more about it ---
taking Lucy to get fluid drained
I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle
RE: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
Here are vibes that the draining does her some good, and that you can still find a way to save her. My heart goes out to you. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: taking Lucy to get fluid drained I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
RE: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
Michelle - are you going to order acemmanan? I am sorry that Lucy's getting more pale - I know exactly what you are going through as it has been my daily routine to check the color of gums of my babies for a while now. Michelle - please don't be fearful - I know it's hard, but try not - fear is our worst enemy - there is really nothing to fear if you really thing about it - journey of you and Lucy will continue and you will be bonded together eternally. Even if she decides to leave the body that she is in as it won't allow her all the things that she has wanted to do, you will be still together forever. I am telling you this, as I needed to exercise this thought with every single one of the babies I lost.. our babies are not afraid of deaths like we are.. they live in the moments,, they are much more perceptive than we are.. they know, the death is not end of the journey ---please stay positive, Michelle - let Lucy knows that there is nothing to worry about.. everything is going to be just fine - comfort her and love her unconditionally no matter what... When I was going through Dharma's illness, I so wanted to make her get better .. and my AC told me that I was putting too much pressure Dharma,,, Dharma felt uncomfortable because of my such a strong desire to want her to get better.. she wanted to feel okay just the way she was.. so instead of praying for her to get better, I started praying for whatever is best for Dharma,, even if it meant for her to leave the body.. I asked what's best for her.. as Dharma felt I was manipulative by wanting her to get better so much .. she wanted me to respect her thought and desire.. and she wanted to feel good about leaving the body when she was ready.. and she did.. I miss her every day so terribly.. but in a way, I am closer to her.. as there is no limitations between us anymore.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: taking Lucy to get fluid drained I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle
RE: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
You and Lucy are both in my prayers, Michelle. As with all of us on the list, breaks my heart to see you go through this. Please don't give up hope--I know it's hard, but while your little trooper Lucy still fights this illness, I would think she needs to know you're right there fighting with her (God, yes, I know how hard *that* is). Miracle turnarounds can and do happen. One thing for sure, she couldn't want for a more loving, caring, supportive mom. Along with everyone else I'll be thinking of you this afternoon, and continuing to send prayers and healing vibes for Lucy. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: taking Lucy to get fluid drained I am taking her in half an hour. I am really nervous about it. The vet agreed to do the shot of 1/2 cc dexamethasone into the abdominal cavity after draining, which apparently sometimes helps slow the refill time. I think she is even more anemic than on sat when her pcv was 15-- the parts of her gums that were a little pink then are now completely white. She got her fourth dose of Epogen yesterday, but it clearly is not working yet if it is going to work at all. She gets up to use the litterbox, and looks alert if she hears a mouse in the wall, and purrs to be pet sometimes, but other than that just sleeps. I am going to ask the vet to try leukeran, just in case this is from her ibd or she has developed intestinal small cell lymphoma, since the abx are clearly not helping her so I doubt she has toxo (unless the steroids have been keeping the abx from working or something). I fear that she does not have long left. I am not getting any work done or going anywhere; I have pretty much been researching possibilities of what is happening to her and caring for her/staring at her full-time since the weekend. She is my baby, and I think I am losing her, and I was not ready for this. I really thought she just had a URI when she spiked a fever two weeks ago today. I think it is probably FIP (I just realized that they never actually tested her albumin level, so perhaps it is low after all), but even if it is something else I am losing hope that she will get any better. I want to see if the leukeran will do something. If not, I will try to do the dex/depo shots for comfort. Please keep Lucy in your prayers. I know that this should not be a shock to me at this point, having lost 4 FeLV+ cats and knowing that her age, at least 5.5 years old, is not young for a positive cat. But I love her so much, and can not stand to see her going through this. I also can not imagine this house without her in it. She just started dreaming-- her ear is twitching. I really love this cat. Michelle IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: taking Lucy to get fluid drained
I hope Lucy feels better after the fluid is drained, and improves! Keeping fingers crossed for her! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Lucy update
Well, Lucy screamed while they were feeling around her belly trying to find the place to put the needle in, but while they drained she just laid in my arms and purred. The fluid, which I was told was clear and thin on January 16 and 17 when samples were taken, looked pale yellow to me and the vet said the consistency was a bit thick. He sent some more out to be analyzed, but he feels quite sure it is fip. He filled a small bowl 2 or 3 times with fluid-- I would guess at least 100 or 200 cc's. And when the fluid stopped coming, he said he had reached the end of that pocket, but she still has a huge belly. He said he did not want to keep poking her all over trying to find the pockets to drain it from, and wants me to just see how she does with that much drained. He did not think her breathing was bad to begin with. He put the 1/2 cc dexamethasone shot into the catheter when it stopped draining. He said her belly may fill up faster now, since proteins were taken out of circulation by draining from the abdomen and lower proteins enable more effusion. I guess that is why some people have said it filled up faster after being drained. He was amazed that she is still eating. I think it must just be all the pred. I asked for leukeran. He wants to wait a couple of days and see what the new fluid analysis says and how she does on the increased pred and the dex that she got in her belly today. He is worried the leukeran might suppress her bone marrow more. He really does not think the fluid is from ibd or lymphoma, as he said he has never seen either create anywhere near this amount of fluid. She was happy to get home and walked around a little, though she looked a little wobbly. At one point she actually ran for about 20 feet or so, and her poor jelly belly swung from side to side as she did. Now she is camped out on the heating pad by her new favorite spot, a bookshelf where she heard a mouse this morning. She has been purring a lot more today, I think because I gave her more pred this morning and maybe she has had some fever and that took it away, I don't know. I so don't want to lose her, but know what Hideyo said is right. I asked the vet about coming to the home for euthanasia at some point and he said he will if he can schedule-wise. I asked him what will get her, as I have never had a cat with wet fip before. He did not know, as most people euthanize at diagnosis of wet fip he said. Does anyone know? Is it likely to be her anemia? Or will something else happen? He said she will probably stop eating at some point, despite the steroids. I do not think I will want to force-feed her, unless she seems to be otherwise feeling good. Right now she is falling asleep. She is my baby. Michelle
Re: Lucy update
None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Lucy update
i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy update
As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are euthanized. I may be wrong but I think that is how my vet described it. Keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. She has such a lot of spirit. TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here On 1/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Lucy visualization
Hello Michelle, So I just checked out some of The Secret movie. I have to say that I am not very New Age. I like dirt and rocks and things that my hands can touch and pick up. I am going to school again getting my science classes - chemistry, biology, physics, etc. - dirt and rocks stuff, and I am constantly amazed at how little we know about all that we know. We know some stuff about the bits that fill the space around us, but the space itself, of which there is far more of than the bits - a mystery. I just watched What the Bleep Do We Know this weekend and I was very impressed. It reminds me of the The Secret and I would encourage those of you who haven't seen it, to watch it. I want to be a Quantum Physicist now so badly. :) Anyway, this stuff is not New Age, it's just beautifully simple - like e=mc squared. For the speed of light to be packaged in five human symbols is amazing in it's complexity and simplicity. This is all to say, it these videos make sense and are very hopeful. So, I'm new to this visualization stuff, but with all of your help, I visualized constantly the thread connecting me with Satchmo and Beatrix when they were lost (as did you all - and still, thank you!) and less than 48 hours later they were back with me. So Michelle, please, please don't think about how empty your house will be without Lucy, because what you are visualizing is an empty house full of despair. And what you are sending out is that image. Sit next to Lucy and close your eyes and feel her, listen to her breathe, and see her all over the house for years to come. Look at your hand on her back, the way her fur looks under it, feels under it, and see a sunny summer day when you are petting her asleep in a sunspot. And see next Christmas when she's all cracked out on catnip. See a house full of her and hope in many situations to come. Be filled with the joy of it. Like I said, I'm new to this, so I don't know how death fits in, how we handle it when the universe ignores our visualization. Nina and Hideyo help us there. But whatever you do, please don't see the house empty. That bridge isn't here yet, so keep your eyes on the space in front of you and what you'd like it to look like. I am so New Age, I love it. What have you guys done to me? Hideyo has me singing songs about her cats, Michelle has me filling her house with cat breathe. :) Leslie
Re: Lucy update
With dry fip, it is organ failure and/or anemia. My Buddy died naturally from what probably was dry fip. His pcv was 6 the last time it was measured, a couple of days before. The vet said he should not have been able to stand. But he was on the dex/depo combo shots, and he was literally trotting around the house. I want to put Lucy on those shots. Wet fip is different, though, and does not usually affect organs in the same way. Cats stop eating at some point, and that will kill them if they are not force-fed. So maybe that is what happens, or anemia. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:07:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn
Re: Lucy update
yes, you are probably right. It is possible to keep draining it, but how many times do you do that? as long as they are still eating? I don't know. But you probably are right. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:27:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As I understand it, with wet FIP unless fluid is continually drained it will begin to accumulate in the abdominal cavity and begin to squeeze out the lungs so that breathing becomes harder and harder -- and the cat essentially suffocates. I think that is why all wet FIP kitties are euthanized. I may be wrong but I think that is how my vet described it. Keeping you and Lucy in my prayers. She has such a lot of spirit.
Re: Lucy update
Do you know what actually killed them in the end? was it not eating, or breathing difficulty, or anemia, or something else? I am just trying to prepare myself. thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:16:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here
RE: Lucy update
Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly... Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it's towards the end stage - It's known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don't have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update With dry fip, it is organ failure and/or anemia. My Buddy died naturally from what probably was dry fip. His pcv was 6 the last time it was measured, a couple of days before. The vet said he should not have been able to stand. But he was on the dex/depo combo shots, and he was literally trotting around the house. I want to put Lucy on those shots. Wet fip is different, though, and does not usually affect organs in the same way. Cats stop eating at some point, and that will kill them if they are not force-fed. So maybe that is what happens, or anemia. Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:07:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of the websites say... even Dr. Addie's says all FIP cats are euthanized. I suppose it will get to a point where she will be suffering so bad you'll have to euthanise her? It appears that is the case with every other FIP+ cat in existence. Surely there have been research cats that they have just let die to KNOW what the end result of FIP is... but I can't find any reference. I mean, how do they KNOW it's 100% fatal, as all the websites state, if ALL the cats that have it are euthanised? That's a REALLY good question Michelle! Hideyo, can you contact Dr. Addie and that other Japanese vet (who's name I forget now - Ishida maybe?) and ask them? I don't see any contact info on Dr. Addie's website, but I know you've spoken to her. Ask, if the cat is NOT euthanised, WHAT is the cause of death, and what could we expect to see happen in the end stages? Phaewryn
Re: Lucy update
Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly… Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it’s towards the end stage – It’s known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don’t have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason.
RE: Lucy update
Michelle - I am crying as I read this email as I know how much you want Lucy to get better and so do I ---I wish I had this power to cure all the sick babies in the world to make a miracle happen.. Michelle - don't think about euthanizing her right now.. she is eating.. and she does not seem to be in pain.. who knows she may beat this thing even if it's FIP - sometimes, according to dr. ishida's paper, it takes 2 to 4 weeks to fluid to be gone completely and recover from FIP.. again the challenge is the anemia status - I think that is the biggest challenge her - you could give her transfusions to buy time until epogen starts working.. Just continue to fight with her.. she is fighting with you - if for some reason, if she does not want to anymore.. you will know.. just love her like there is no tomorrow.. hold her and kiss her and enjoy every minute and every second.. she is your baby,, and she will always be your baby and no one can take that away from you... Hideyo _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Lucy update Well, Lucy screamed while they were feeling around her belly trying to find the place to put the needle in, but while they drained she just laid in my arms and purred. The fluid, which I was told was clear and thin on January 16 and 17 when samples were taken, looked pale yellow to me and the vet said the consistency was a bit thick. He sent some more out to be analyzed, but he feels quite sure it is fip. He filled a small bowl 2 or 3 times with fluid-- I would guess at least 100 or 200 cc's. And when the fluid stopped coming, he said he had reached the end of that pocket, but she still has a huge belly. He said he did not want to keep poking her all over trying to find the pockets to drain it from, and wants me to just see how she does with that much drained. He did not think her breathing was bad to begin with. He put the 1/2 cc dexamethasone shot into the catheter when it stopped draining. He said her belly may fill up faster now, since proteins were taken out of circulation by draining from the abdomen and lower proteins enable more effusion. I guess that is why some people have said it filled up faster after being drained. He was amazed that she is still eating. I think it must just be all the pred. I asked for leukeran. He wants to wait a couple of days and see what the new fluid analysis says and how she does on the increased pred and the dex that she got in her belly today. He is worried the leukeran might suppress her bone marrow more. He really does not think the fluid is from ibd or lymphoma, as he said he has never seen either create anywhere near this amount of fluid. She was happy to get home and walked around a little, though she looked a little wobbly. At one point she actually ran for about 20 feet or so, and her poor jelly belly swung from side to side as she did. Now she is camped out on the heating pad by her new favorite spot, a bookshelf where she heard a mouse this morning. She has been purring a lot more today, I think because I gave her more pred this morning and maybe she has had some fever and that took it away, I don't know. I so don't want to lose her, but know what Hideyo said is right. I asked the vet about coming to the home for euthanasia at some point and he said he will if he can schedule-wise. I asked him what will get her, as I have never had a cat with wet fip before. He did not know, as most people euthanize at diagnosis of wet fip he said. Does anyone know? Is it likely to be her anemia? Or will something else happen? He said she will probably stop eating at some point, despite the steroids. I do not think I will want to force-feed her, unless she seems to be otherwise feeling good. Right now she is falling asleep. She is my baby. Michelle
RE: Lucy update
One FIP I had was Henry - -about 4 years ago and he was only 6 months old.. he died very peacefully, he stopped breathing in his sleep almost... I think that the cause was liver.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly... Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it's towards the end stage - It's known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don't have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason.
RE: Lucy update
Sally Forrester who used to be on this list lost many kitties to wet FIP - do you want to contact her? I also have another friend, karen whom I met on FIP list lost many cats to wet and dry - let me know if you want to contact her.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, all of yours had dry fip, though, right? Or did one have wet fip? In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:51:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, with all of my 6 kitties who died of FIP, they all passed away naturally except one, Olive who developed severe neurological symptoms and had seizures every 15 mins.. Peter died from the liver problem and died very quickly... Naomi died very peacefully.. Rikki died from ARF, Dharma died from anemia/liver, Lizzie died from liver/neurological problems.. whenever neurological problem shows, you know that it's towards the end stage - It's known to be.. usually with FIP cats, they don't have severe anemia but mild.. and organ failures and seizures seem to be more common cause of death.. but for some reason, lately more cats with FIP develop more severe anemia.. which seems to be consistent throughout for some reason.
Re: Lucy update
Hideyo, I am not going to do anything to her right now. I hardly ever euthanize at all, much less while someone is eating. Most of my animals have died at home on their own. I just do not want her to suffer too much in the end, which is why I asked the vet. I think my cat Buddy went through too much at the end. Hope is getting slimmer, and I don't want to put her through transfusions. I know they are not a big deal in themselves, but we would have to do them at an ER very far away, and she gets so very stressed out, and the process takes a good 4-5 hours between typing, thawing the blood, doing the transfusion, and making sure there is no reaction. Add in the driving and we are talking about 6-7hours. She has enough trouble going to the vet that is 10 minutes away. While she was ok for the draining, she was screaming at the top of her lungs before he started. I thought she was at transfusion level on Saturday and her pcv was 15. I think she is worse now, but maybe, like on Saturday, I am completely wrong about that. I hope so. I will continue to give her the feline interferon. Were Dr. Ishida's patients very sick already when he started treating them? My shipment still has not come in. I have enough from the vial you sent me to get me through Thursday. Hopefully it will come before then. If it doesn't come by Thursday, would you send me another vial? (her dose would be due on Friday). if she is still here, which I hope and pray and believe she will be. Thanks, Hideyo, for everything, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 5:02:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle – I am crying as I read this email as I know how much you want Lucy to get better and so do I ---I wish I had this power to cure all the sick babies in the world to make a miracle happen.. Michelle – don’t think about euthanizing her right now.. she is eating.. and she does not seem to be in pain.. who knows she may beat this thing even if it’s FIP – sometimes, according to dr. ishida’s paper, it takes 2 to 4 weeks to fluid to be gone completely and recover from FIP.. again the challenge is the anemia status – I think that is the biggest challenge her – you could give her transfusions to buy time until epogen starts working.. Just continue to fight with her.. she is fighting with you – if for some reason, if she does not want to anymore.. you will know.. just love her like there is no tomorrow.. hold her and kiss her and enjoy every minute and every second.. she is your baby,, and she will always be your baby and no one can take that away from you… Hideyo
RE: Lucy update
Yes, I will send you another vial if you need me to, you just let me know, Michelle - In addition to Mr. Ishida's studies, I also read about one case study of Pancho (?) who had FIP and FIV - and he was in a very bad shape, and he recovered completely for about 1.5 year with interferon and due to the financial issue, they were giving human interferon and Pancho must have developed antibody when he developed FIP again 1.5 year later.. and due to financial reason, they couldn't treat him anymore- Most of his cases were FIP cats.. due to fluid, some had a difficult time breathing.. sounded like in a pretty bad shape,, but none of them were that anemic when they were brought in ---let me find the study and will email you off line.. I just forwarded an email from sally to you so that you can read what happened to her babies.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Hideyo, I am not going to do anything to her right now. I hardly ever euthanize at all, much less while someone is eating. Most of my animals have died at home on their own. I just do not want her to suffer too much in the end, which is why I asked the vet. I think my cat Buddy went through too much at the end. Hope is getting slimmer, and I don't want to put her through transfusions. I know they are not a big deal in themselves, but we would have to do them at an ER very far away, and she gets so very stressed out, and the process takes a good 4-5 hours between typing, thawing the blood, doing the transfusion, and making sure there is no reaction. Add in the driving and we are talking about 6-7hours. She has enough trouble going to the vet that is 10 minutes away. While she was ok for the draining, she was screaming at the top of her lungs before he started. I thought she was at transfusion level on Saturday and her pcv was 15. I think she is worse now, but maybe, like on Saturday, I am completely wrong about that. I hope so. I will continue to give her the feline interferon. Were Dr. Ishida's patients very sick already when he started treating them? My shipment still has not come in. I have enough from the vial you sent me to get me through Thursday. Hopefully it will come before then. If it doesn't come by Thursday, would you send me another vial? (her dose would be due on Friday). if she is still here, which I hope and pray and believe she will be. Thanks, Hideyo, for everything, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 5:02:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle - I am crying as I read this email as I know how much you want Lucy to get better and so do I ---I wish I had this power to cure all the sick babies in the world to make a miracle happen.. Michelle - don't think about euthanizing her right now.. she is eating.. and she does not seem to be in pain.. who knows she may beat this thing even if it's FIP - sometimes, according to dr. ishida's paper, it takes 2 to 4 weeks to fluid to be gone completely and recover from FIP.. again the challenge is the anemia status - I think that is the biggest challenge her - you could give her transfusions to buy time until epogen starts working.. Just continue to fight with her.. she is fighting with you - if for some reason, if she does not want to anymore.. you will know.. just love her like there is no tomorrow.. hold her and kiss her and enjoy every minute and every second.. she is your baby,, and she will always be your baby and no one can take that away from you... Hideyo
Re: Lucy visualization
Oh Leslie thank you! (I gotta tell you lady, I'm crazy about you). Your post encouraging Michelle to visualize Lucy happy and healthy was just perfect. Michelle, you haven't responded to any of this, I don't know if you're too wrapped up in the fear, the research, (the dirt and rock touching stuff), or just think those of us encouraging you to try are, while well meaning, are too far out on a limb to be taken seriously. I think I identified with this, (what?)... this philosophy, detailed in The Secret because I've personally had experience with it working, (like Leslie with the miraculous recovery of Bea and Satch). No one is saying that you don't have to help the things you want along, you are not taken out of the equation, but you have to SEE and THINK and VISUALIZE the things you want as if they are already here, already happening. Lighten your heart as you look for answers. Envision those answers coming to you, and stop worrying about the HOW of it all. Your last couple of posts have you concentrating and visualizing the very thing you want the least. Please, please, please, try and stop yourself from doing that. How can it hurt? Even if it is Lucy's time, you will have saved yourself so much anguish. Leslie, you ask Hideyo and me to help you out about 'when God says no', :-) (sorry Phaewryn, I use the word as a universal, please translate it to what makes sense to you). I read that and at first blush had no idea how I might respond, but then as I think on it... Because all things have their season; all things that exist must transition; all that lives must die, (and perhaps be born again in one form or another, but that's another discussion), perhaps when we ask for things like prolonging the life of someone ready, (at their soul's level) to cross, it is not in our power to change the outcome because it is that very soul that is sending out the desire to do so and the backing of the Universe is behind that outcome because it is the right time. I can't tell you how many times, something horrible, something that seems so wrong has happened, and yet given enough time and distance from my suffering, I can see the good that came of it. Susan's little lost Jackie springs to mind. Well, that's my take a stab at it from the seat of my pants answer. Ask me again tomorrow. Leslie, you want to be a Quantum Physicist, and it appears I long to be a philosopher. Can we get anymore OT? Nina Leslie wrote: Hello Michelle, So I just checked out some of The Secret movie. I have to say that I am not very New Age. I like dirt and rocks and things that my hands can touch and pick up. I am going to school again getting my science classes - chemistry, biology, physics, etc. - dirt and rocks stuff, and I am constantly amazed at how little we know about all that we know. We know some stuff about the bits that fill the space around us, but the space itself, of which there is far more of than the bits - a mystery. I just watched What the Bleep Do We Know this weekend and I was very impressed. It reminds me of the The Secret and I would encourage those of you who haven't seen it, to watch it. I want to be a Quantum Physicist now so badly. :) Anyway, this stuff is not New Age, it's just beautifully simple - like e=mc squared. For the speed of light to be packaged in five human symbols is amazing in it's complexity and simplicity. This is all to say, it these videos make sense and are very hopeful. So, I'm new to this visualization stuff, but with all of your help, I visualized constantly the thread connecting me with Satchmo and Beatrix when they were lost (as did you all - and still, thank you!) and less than 48 hours later they were back with me. So Michelle, please, please don't think about how empty your house will be without Lucy, because what you are visualizing is an empty house full of despair. And what you are sending out is that image. Sit next to Lucy and close your eyes and feel her, listen to her breathe, and see her all over the house for years to come. Look at your hand on her back, the way her fur looks under it, feels under it, and see a sunny summer day when you are petting her asleep in a sunspot. And see next Christmas when she's all cracked out on catnip. See a house full of her and hope in many situations to come. Be filled with the joy of it. Like I said, I'm new to this, so I don't know how death fits in, how we handle it when the universe ignores our visualization. Nina and Hideyo help us there. But whatever you do, please don't see the house empty. That bridge isn't here yet, so keep your eyes on the space in front of you and what you'd like it to look like. I am so New Age, I love it. What have you guys done to me? Hideyo has me singing songs about her cats, Michelle has me filling her house with cat breathe. :) Leslie
RE: Lucy visualization
If you guys remember, when Belinda on the list lost Bailey-she sent us a photo of the sky with the cloud, just mimicking Bailey's face - now that's a connection that goes beyond what we can explain.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy visualization where does death fit into it all? think about the conservation of energy: love doesn't die, it just changes form. so our little furry ones never leave us, they just inhabit a different type of space--i think many of us on this list can tell you about seeing ridge cats in our homes out of the corner of our eye. whenever i move, i always spend my final moments in the house talking with the cats that have left this plane from that physical space, and inviting them to come join us in the new one. banesh hoffman wrote a wonderful book called, the strange story of the quantum, in everyday language for the non-scientist, that traces scientific history in terms of all the things we once knew for sure in light of what we now know. i'm sure this isn't an exact quote, but it's close enough: First there was the electromagnetic ether, then there was the luminescent ether, and now there is nether. On 1/30/07, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michelle, So I just checked out some of The Secret movie. I have to say that I am not very New Age. I like dirt and rocks and things that my hands can touch and pick up. I am going to school again getting my science classes - chemistry, biology, physics, etc. - dirt and rocks stuff, and I am constantly amazed at how little we know about all that we know. We know some stuff about the bits that fill the space around us, but the space itself, of which there is far more of than the bits - a mystery. I just watched What the Bleep Do We Know this weekend and I was very impressed. It reminds me of the The Secret and I would encourage those of you who haven't seen it, to watch it. I want to be a Quantum Physicist now so badly. :) Anyway, this stuff is not New Age, it's just beautifully simple - like e=mc squared. For the speed of light to be packaged in five human symbols is amazing in it's complexity and simplicity. This is all to say, it these videos make sense and are very hopeful. So, I'm new to this visualization stuff, but with all of your help, I visualized constantly the thread connecting me with Satchmo and Beatrix when they were lost (as did you all - and still, thank you!) and less than 48 hours later they were back with me. So Michelle, please, please don't think about how empty your house will be without Lucy, because what you are visualizing is an empty house full of despair. And what you are sending out is that image. Sit next to Lucy and close your eyes and feel her, listen to her breathe, and see her all over the house for years to come. Look at your hand on her back, the way her fur looks under it, feels under it, and see a sunny summer day when you are petting her asleep in a sunspot. And see next Christmas when she's all cracked out on catnip. See a house full of her and hope in many situations to come. Be filled with the joy of it. Like I said, I'm new to this, so I don't know how death fits in, how we handle it when the universe ignores our visualization. Nina and Hideyo help us there. But whatever you do, please don't see the house empty. That bridge isn't here yet, so keep your eyes on the space in front of you and what you'd like it to look like. I am so New Age, I love it. What have you guys done to me? Hideyo has me singing songs about her cats, Michelle has me filling her house with cat breathe. :) Leslie -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: Lucy update
There was not a single cat whom I lost to FIP that I did not have to syringe feed them towards the end as anorexia is a common symptoms of FIP - most of my cats stopped eating though they may not act that ill.. they don't feel well due to the liver damage and feel nauseated so they don't want to eat.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy update Do you know what actually killed them in the end? was it not eating, or breathing difficulty, or anemia, or something else? I am just trying to prepare myself. thanks, Michelle In a message dated 1/30/2007 4:16:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: i know a lot of FIP cats, with the wet form, that have been allowed to die naturally at home, so i guess i'm missing the point here
