RE: Question about Muck Boots
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Ditto on the Muck boot kudos. I wear them at home around the barn, and at work at the nursery. I wear white cotton athletic type socks w/ them. :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 15:57:59 -0700 From: windyacre...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Question about Muck Boots To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com I wear regular to heavy socks with mine, not shoes.. From: Toni toekn...@frontier.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:21 PM Subject: Question about Muck Boots This message is from: Toni toekn...@frontier.com I was at my local grain elevator and happened to see Muck Boots. I peered into the box to take a look. They felt good, but when I looked inside the boot itself, I couldn't tell if I was supposed to wear only a sock, or if I should have a shoe on. I guess I'm looking for real warmth. My feet get COLD easy. Can I use heavy socks and use them for deer hunting as well? Anyone? Thanks, Toni Jeanne Zuker wrote: I have tried a lot of boots BUT for actually working around the yard, barn, pasture, stalls, NOTHING beats the Muck boot!! Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Question for you Texans
This message is from: Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com We are in FL and my mare has to have fans to stand in front of. She knows where they are and uses them. Riding is only done early morning or evening. Not only is the heat a problem but the bugs make life difficult, too. Fans help that and lots of fly spray. -- Kathleen Prince kathl...@pookiebros.com Pookie Bros. Pet Sitting Professional Pet Care In Your Home! http://www.pookiebros.com On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Rose or Murph wrote: This message is from: Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com Hi List, I am wondering if anyone is living in the El Paso, TX area? My husband did a phone interview for a Fed position at FT Bliss in El Paso. Just wanted to get anyone's opinion good or bad about living there. To make this Fjord related, how does your Fjord handle the heat? What is summer riding like, or does it exist when it is that hot? Rosemary in NW Washington Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Question for you Texans
This message is from: st...@carriagehorse.com Quoting Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com: I am wondering if anyone is living in the El Paso, TX area? My husband did a phone interview for a Fed position at FT Bliss in El Paso. Just wanted to get anyone's opinion good or bad about living there. To make this Fjord related, how does your Fjord handle the heat? What is summer riding like, or does it exist when it is that hot? Although happily not Texans, Cynthia and I are probably the closest to being in El Paso as anyone here. We are in Las Cruces, New Mexico, which is just 40 miles up the Rio Grande from the big city. El Paso is where folks from Cruces go for big city shopping and entertainment if they're not going to make the trek to Albuquerque. Although El Paso lies just a usually dry river away from the deadliest city in the Universe (Juarez, Mexico), it has been designated the safest city in the US in each of the past several years. Somehow the drug cartel anarchy of Juarez seems to remain south of the border with nothing save a few stray bullets making to our side. That bit of ugliness aside, El Paso is a pleasant city with good shopping, entertainment, and great restaurants. Ft. Bliss is on its way to being the largest Army base in the US, but there seems to be little direct effect on the larger community. That is to say, that as far as I can see there aren't the strips of GI bars and pawn shops one finds in most military towns. While I'm sure that the base has a tremendous economic effect on the city, it seems to me that the culture is influenced to a far greater extent by the proximity of Mexico than that of the Army. In the 2000 census, the Hispanic population of the city pushed 77%, and currently up closer to 80%. This has the effect of making the city truly bilingual, however you will be hard pressed to find anywhere that you need to speak Spanish. One Web site says, El Paso is the cultural center of the Southwest, enriched for more than four centuries by contributions from Native Americans, Spanish settlers, Europeans and Asians. The city?s international flavor is apparent in the variety of cultural facilities and events, 18 museums, more than 35 art galleries and 28 resident visual artists of national acclaim. You should be aware that this is not Arizona. Although it is across the state line, the attitude of El Paso is not typical of Texas either; it is much closer to laid back culture of mañana we experience in New Mexico. As far as Fjords living in the weather here, ours have little problem. Although hot in the summer, it is nothing like Florida, or even the Midwest. The temperature can get into the three digits, but there is almost no humidity to accompany it. The horses stay in the shade during the hottest times and seem to be comfortable. Although nobody does much with their horses during the day at the height of summer, the early mornings and late evenings are generally quite pleasant. And of course there is the advantage here of having no snow or rain during the winter months to curtail horse activities. One thing that is a bit of a problem for keeping Fjords here is that most of the available hay is alfalfa. Although we have found sources of good grass hay, it is best to lay in a year's worth at a time to be assured of access. If you have to board, you will find that nobody here is willing to listen to advice or demands of proper feeding of a Fjord, and your horses will be doomed to being FAT. Please bear in mind that this is the Chihuahuan Desert, so you will find it nothing like Washington. You will be trading rain forest for cactus and mesquite, but there is a charm to the latter. Falls and Winters here are very pleasant, followed by the winds and dust storms in April. Summer hopefully brings the monsoons when we receive the bulk of our rainfall. The Interstate between Las Cruces and El Paso will soon be all six or eight lanes, so you might consider looking for housing here also. Right now we can make it from our house to the El Paso airport (same as Ft. Bliss) in about an hour, and we are twelve miles off the Interstate. If you have any questions I've not covered, please feel free to address them to me or Cynthia off list. -- Steve Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Question for you Texans
This message is from: Linda Syverson Kerr syversonsfjordl...@yahoo.com This message is from: syversonsfjordl...@yahoo.com My sister and her husband live, and I think work at the base where you interviewed and they both work there for the Boarded Patrol that is housed at the base there.I am sure she would be happy to talk to about the area. Linda Syverson Kerr - Original Message From: st...@carriagehorse.com st...@carriagehorse.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 9:55:05 AM Subject: Re: Question for you Texans This message is from: st...@carriagehorse.com Quoting Rose or Murph roseormu...@ywave.com: I am wondering if anyone is living in the El Paso, TX area? My husband did a phone interview for a Fed position at FT Bliss in El Paso. Just wanted to get anyone's opinion good or bad about living there. To make this Fjord related, how does your Fjord handle the heat? What is summer riding like, or does it exist when it is that hot? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Question
This message is from: Heather Baskey cavy_l...@yahoo.com Hi Mary I purchased Henry (Mid's Jed) as a 2 year old, I have only employed Natural Horsemanship (NH) techniques since purchasing him. I don't break it down as positive reinforcement, or negative reinforcement. I just break it down as something that works for me. PNH (Parelli Natural Horsemanship) is the cult, snake oil that I follow and I have never looked back. It may, or may not work for everyone. PNH puts the relationship with your horse first and that is important to me. I can say with confidence that when I walk into the pasture, my Henry catches me (whether he is 100 feet away, or 1000). Wherever I take him, people comment on what an incredible, calm, polite horse he is and are equally stunned when they hear he is a mere 3 years of age. Today, I tested my relationship with him. I asked him to trailer load at Liberty (no halter, no line) and I sent him to the trailer from 15 feet or so away. When the bridle comes off, all you have left is the truth. Henry, happily loaded onto the trailer! Nothing brings me more joy than playing with Henry at Liberty. It's an incredible feeling to have a horse that wants (not made) to do things with their human partners. When people criticize who I follow, I just smile and walk away ... my Henry is the world to me and the relationship we have developed together is credited to the savvy that I have learned from the Parelli method. Heather Playing Naturally with Henry Ontario - Canada --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Me Kint me.k...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Toni, enjoyed your contributions and thoughts. What is NH? Thanks, Mary __ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: question
This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com If you can do it, 3/8 minus ROUND pea gravel. A friend just did it and loves it. From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Stockwell [afjordableac...@bevcomm.net] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:38 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question This message is from: Stockwell afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I checked out the archives however I couldn't get enough information so.. The question is what is the preferred footing for round pens? Any and all input appreciated = ) Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: question
This message is from: Karen McCarthy weeg...@hotmail.com Roberta, there was a very similar question recently on the CD-List. You can look thru the archives there for the posts. The consensus was no more than 2 of coarse sand, not washed or river sand. Or at least, start out with less than you think and add more as needed, as many people placed 4 of sand in the round pen and found it to be too deep. I agree w/ using less is more. and I am still on the lookout for decent coarse sand here in my area of Oregon. I was very spoiled in N Nevada with decomposed granite (DG) that was plentiful and cheap. If $$$ was no object, my dream footing would be the recycled sports shoe rubber footing. You only need maybe an inch over a coarse sand base and it is awesome to ride and drive on. I take occasional lessons in a covered arena with this footing and it is wonderful. Karen in Oregon From: afjordableac...@bevcomm.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:38:48 -0600 This message is from: Stockwell afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I checked out the archives however I couldn't get enough information so.. The question is what is the preferred footing for round pens? Any and all input appreciated = ) Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: question
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com Gail..what was the base material and how many inches of pea gravel? From: g...@zeliga.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:55:06 -0800 Subject: RE: question This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com If you can do it, 3/8 minus ROUND pea gravel. A friend just did it and loves it. From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Stockwell [afjordableac...@bevcomm.net] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:38 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question This message is from: Stockwell afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I checked out the archives however I couldn't get enough information so.. The question is what is the preferred footing for round pens? Any and all input appreciated = ) Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: question
This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com Just talked to our farrier about this. Something that will pack makes a good base (odd sized pieces pack). Then he says to use 1/4 inch minus (not 3/8 minus) between 2 and 2.5 inches thick. He did his whole arena in it. He gets the pea gravel that has been washed out when they do cement sand. Gail This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com Gail..what was the base material and how many inches of pea gravel? From: g...@zeliga.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:55:06 -0800 Subject: RE: question This message is from: Gail Russell g...@zeliga.com If you can do it, 3/8 minus ROUND pea gravel. A friend just did it and loves it. From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Stockwell [afjordableac...@bevcomm.net] Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 7:38 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question This message is from: Stockwell afjordableac...@bevcomm.net I checked out the archives however I couldn't get enough information so.. The question is what is the preferred footing for round pens? Any and all input appreciated = ) Roberta MN Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Question
This message is from: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net This message is from: Maggie McLaughlin maggie...@q.com a request for a pairs working harness on The Digest a few times. Looking forward to hearing from you, Maggie McLaughlin It has been our experience in the past that rarely do you find used harnesses available, but this might not be true now that some are downscaling due the sluggish economy. You might try Craig's List and Ebay. We can recommend Big Sky Leatherworks here in Montana. They are a reputable business from quite some time back. They understand the unique Fjord size and will custom fit your horse. We picked up a set that they had made for Fjords, at the Small Farmer's Auction one spring.. it was well made and has served us well. http://www.bigskyleatherworks.com/ Ruthie, nw mt, US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Question
This message is from: coy...@acrec.com coy...@acrec.com Not Steve, the list owner, but I can offer two tips: 1. Send your email to the correct address: YES: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com NO: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com NO: fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com NO: owner-fjordhorse-dig...@angus.mystery.com List Owner Steve, out of the goodness of his heart, will sometimes but not always forward messages sent to the wrong email address. It is a simple matter to ensure correct delivery and spare him the extra work, however, by sending your messages to the correct address. 2. Send your email from the email account that you used when you subscribed. If you send your email from a different account, it will automatically bounce and be returned to you with an error message. DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, Just wanted to update you (almost a month later from the original question - how time flies) that every journey does begin with a single step. I cannot believe how this summer has flown by and how Henry I have moved along in our journey together. I continuously journal in my blog which helps out a great deal to map our progress and where we started and where we are now. It seems so unreal that only 10 weeks ago I was coaxing a 2 year old into the barn. That seems so inconceivable now as Henry is just so into the routine and so part of his new family (the herd and humans). In 10 weeks, we have 5 of the Parelli games going very well (out of 7) and working on our 6th this week. Although I have absolutely put NO time limit on our training - I just might get 7 games in 3 months on a blank slate. HUGE for me - I am in NO way a horse trainer!!! and Henry has been an absolute joy to work with (despite the challenging, putting on the brakes moments - LOL!!!). Iam LOVING the Fjord experience Thank you to ALL who helped me along the way when I posted the Question for PNH folks. PNH and non-PNH replied with awesome suggestions and I appreciated all replies. Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... http://digilass.wordpress.com __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another thought that I should have shared. Kjerstin had decided that she would not get on the trailer while at the Parelli center. I worked with her for two hours and finally started to feel my emotions coming up (not a good time to try and accomplish anything!) Then one of the instructors worked with her for a while before she decided that Kjerstin was going to need Kaffa - the head of the instructor staff and the recognized trailer expert! It was a big learning experience for me to watch Kaffa work with Kjerstin. It's not about the trailer! She was so fast in thinking of things to ask Kjerstin to do that were varied and very quickly placed one after another. Yes, I can do that, yes, I can, yes, yes, and so forth to build up a pattern of yes before going to the trailer. She got her on and she worked with her again the next morning and now she thinks the trailer is personal party palace! I have a hard time being as quick as Kaffa in thinking of varied things to build up a long pattern of yes, but it was definitely a confidence builder for Kjerstin and helped her overcome whatever was bothering her about the trailer. Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vicki, what a great and interesting story! A friend of mine just sent two of her horses off for training. One is a LBI/LBE (yearling) and the other is a RBI/RBE (the mother mare). The filly took 20 minutes to load (and that was her FIRST time on a trailer!!!) and the mare 2 hours (not her first time!). The gentleman doing the loading was the PNH trainer and he was just fabulous to watch. His cool, calm, demeanor and his attitude of taking the time it takes, to take less time was inspirational to state the least. When you have the opportunity to watch someone with a lot of savvy work it out - it's just inspiring to state the least. As an update, the past 3 days Henry I have been doing alot of undemanding time and working on certain thresholds that he has (something that I should have worked out a few weeks ago). Never the less, better now than never. He really appreciated the undemanding time and has a more keen expression in his eyes. He also had his first visit today with the farrier (who is PNH) and Henry passed [i.e., he was a good boy] :-) Henry has been with me for 7 weeks now and is settling in so incredibly well. Loving the Fjord experience!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... - Original Message From: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 7:24:42 AM Subject: RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another thought that I should have shared. Kjerstin had decided that she would not get on the trailer while at the Parelli center. I worked with her for two hours and finally started to feel my emotions coming up (not a good time to try and accomplish anything!) Then one of the instructors worked with her for a while before she decided that Kjerstin was going to need Kaffa - the head of the instructor staff and the recognized trailer expert! It was a big learning experience for me to watch Kaffa work with Kjerstin. It's not about the trailer! She was so fast in thinking of things to ask Kjerstin to do that were varied and very quickly placed one after another. Yes, I can do that, yes, I can, yes, yes, and so forth to build up a pattern of yes before going to the trailer. She got her on and she worked with her again the next morning and now she thinks the trailer is personal party palace! I have a hard time being as quick as Kaffa in thinking of varied things to build up a long pattern of yes, but it was definitely a confidence builder for Kjerstin and helped her overcome whatever was bothering her about the trailer. Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not very original, but when my mare was six months I started encouraging her into the trailer by placing a half an apple just far enough in the trailer that she had to reach for it. This went on for several months of moving the apple forward. (not every day) She was really stretching to get the apple and eventually put her front feet in. Then she was stretching to avoid the back feet but eventually gave in. She stood in the trailer to get the apple and I left the door open for probably six or seven times of her getting in. Then when she was fully in the next time, I shut the doors. There was some screaming and rocking but she quickly settled down with an apple. No trouble after that, altho she was cautious of getting into other trailers, not often. Jean Gayle Author of: 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Ronda Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a home aprox 10 miles from the Parelli center in Citra Fl. The house is empty now (I have it up for sale) but there are 3 bedrooms, two baths and 3 fenced horse acres. (no barn or shelters) There is also a RV electric hook up at the bottom of the pasture. Anyone interested in renting it for a bit can certianly call me. Ronda Nelson 541 592-5143 - Original Message - From: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heather, I find that with Kjerstin, treats are a great motivator. She is left-brained extrovert, and when all else fails, she will try to tackle anything for treats. Of course, this tells me that I am not being provocative enough, because she really isn't that concerned, just deciding if she is bored enough to try and play me and see if she can make me think she is concerned. She is so, so smart, and a bit of a drama queen if she thinks she can fool me. She entertains herself that way - Mom is so easy to fool, it's ridiculous! A really good tool for us has been the Parelli ball. I only bring that out occasionally, and if I leave it out for her to check out, it has a mind of it's own and on a windy day, will explore all by itself. Then, I go get the ball and push it around and get her to follow. She usually gets so intrigued that she can't help herself. She has seen it move around by itself, but Mom can control it, so can I? She usually ends up following it, pushing it, trying to stomp it, and having a good time. So, I probably haven't helped a lot, but Parelli is loads of fun with Fjords. They are so smart, they just love it. I guess my advice is that if you haven't tried treats, see if that miraculously overcomes the hesitation. Kjerstin will try anything for treats, unless it involves a jump, which is too much effort for such a measly prize! She prefers to show me just how far she can stretch and still not fall on her face, which I usually find pretty impressive! I took Kjerstin to the Parelli center in Ocala for a two week ground class in Jan-Feb of 2007. It was truly the best vacation that I have ever had. The atmosphere at the Parelli center is very positive and supportive. I learned a lot and I really left there with a good understanding of Kjerstin's horsenality and it has proved to be worth every penny. We really bonded through the experience, and I have never had a horse that made me feel like she enjoys me as much as I enjoy her. If there is any way, you can go for a ground class, go for it. They now offer one week experiences, but the two weeks was well, well worth the time and the money. Have fun with Henry, and I promise you that you will find a lot of enjoyment in your Parelli time with him. :-) Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: kngould [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've gone thru level one, but not with my fjords; still I know what you are talking about. Both my guys just put the brakes on, but I can usually back them up, turn them around, circle and try the approach again, and hopefully get alittle bit closer each time. Finally they get tired of the whole circle around and try again, and I can usually get them to approach, touch, and ignore. - Original Message - From: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fjord Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fjord Horse Fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, Looking for advice from Parelli Students who have Fjords. I am working on Level One with my new 2 year old. He is smart - boy oh boy - that's for sure!!! and sometimes (well, quite often), I think he is playing me. Anyhow! when he is unsure of something, instead of the usual spook that I am used to from other breeds - Henry simply puts on the brakes and stands there. S - how do I use approach and retreat to get him used to strange objects, when the brakes are on. We're talking really good brakes - so the good ole' approach and retreat lesson doesn't work at all!!! Then ... to continue the saga. There are times where he will spook (or invert - head high, back dipped) and so I go to the friendly game and that is OK for him. Other horses I have worked with, relaxed totally in the Friendly Game ... Henry? could care less at times. So - in summation, if there are any folks (could be non Parelli students who know what I am talking about too) to get a braked Fjord moving through an object he wants nothing to do with - my ears are wide open!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks
This message is from: Fiona Lindsay-Delfino [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heather, I had a non fjord who did that too me. If it was something that was small and I could easily hold while holding the parelli lead line; I would pick it up and approach the gelding and rub him with the object and then would retreat. And slowly work your down to Henry's legs. Hope this helps. ~Fiona (Level One Graduate) 1700 Dogwood Mile Laurinburg, NC 28352 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C) 603 359 0150 --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks To: Fjord Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED], Fjord Horse Fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 2:11 PM This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, Looking for advice from Parelli Students who have Fjords. I am working on Level One with my new 2 year old. He is smart - boy oh boy - that's for sure!!! and sometimes (well, quite often), I think he is playing me. Anyhow! when he is unsure of something, instead of the usual spook that I am used to from other breeds - Henry simply puts on the brakes and stands there. S - how do I use approach and retreat to get him used to strange objects, when the brakes are on. We're talking really good brakes - so the good ole' approach and retreat lesson doesn't work at all!!! Then ... to continue the saga. There are times where he will spook (or invert - head high, back dipped) and so I go to the friendly game and that is OK for him. Other horses I have worked with, relaxed totally in the Friendly Game ... Henry? could care less at times. So - in summation, if there are any folks (could be non Parelli students who know what I am talking about too) to get a braked Fjord moving through an object he wants nothing to do with - my ears are wide open!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to all who have replied to date. I appreciate all responses as they open up new avenues how I can approach this challenge. I have found that I do have to ask lightly (or lighter) at times, as Henry will sull up if asked with too loudly. He certainly isn't dull and can be quite sensitive at times - but he can also be very naughty (for the lack of a better word) and ask me the question, if I really mean it (doing this, or doing that)! Sometimes it is hard to discern if he is unconfident of what I am asking, or confident of it and just not willing to do it, as per my request. I am getting better at reading him - so hopefully the more that I can interpret his body language, I can determine if he requires confidence building or motivation (Henry being predominantly a LBI)! Anyhow - just wanted to thank all those who have responded so far. It is greatly appreciated!!! Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Heather, I find that with Kjerstin, treats are a great motivator. She is left-brained extrovert, and when all else fails, she will try to tackle anything for treats. Of course, this tells me that I am not being provocative enough, because she really isn't that concerned, just deciding if she is bored enough to try and play me and see if she can make me think she is concerned. She is so, so smart, and a bit of a drama queen if she thinks she can fool me. She entertains herself that way - Mom is so easy to fool, it's ridiculous! A really good tool for us has been the Parelli ball. I only bring that out occasionally, and if I leave it out for her to check out, it has a mind of it's own and on a windy day, will explore all by itself. Then, I go get the ball and push it around and get her to follow. She usually gets so intrigued that she can't help herself. She has seen it move around by itself, but Mom can control it, so can I? She usually ends up following it, pushing it, trying to stomp it, and having a good time. So, I probably haven't helped a lot, but Parelli is loads of fun with Fjords. They are so smart, they just love it. I guess my advice is that if you haven't tried treats, see if that miraculously overcomes the hesitation. Kjerstin will try anything for treats, unless it involves a jump, which is too much effort for such a measly prize! She prefers to show me just how far she can stretch and still not fall on her face, which I usually find pretty impressive! I took Kjerstin to the Parelli center in Ocala for a two week ground class in Jan-Feb of 2007. It was truly the best vacation that I have ever had. The atmosphere at the Parelli center is very positive and supportive. I learned a lot and I really left there with a good understanding of Kjerstin's horsenality and it has proved to be worth every penny. We really bonded through the experience, and I have never had a horse that made me feel like she enjoys me as much as I enjoy her. If there is any way, you can go for a ground class, go for it. They now offer one week experiences, but the two weeks was well, well worth the time and the money. Have fun with Henry, and I promise you that you will find a lot of enjoyment in your Parelli time with him. :-) Vicki Mims, Florida The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] These guys can be surprisingly tough. I assumed from the start that Joe was a confident horse (before we came up with the whole LB / RB schema). It turns out he was actually very unconfident, but not fearful. So when he would plant and refuse, it was not because he was afraid, but he was not confident - and there's a difference!! Once the new lingo came out, he is definitely a LBI, but shifts to a RB in unfamiliar surroundings. And when he gets bored, flips to RBE - boy howdy those are fun times (although it makes me want to run for cover). I am really a fairly wimpy individual, so most of Joe's issues, turn out to be my own lack of pony leadership skills (I'm good with people, no really, I am!!) Treats have been the secret weapon against boredom and most planting. When he was first introduced to the wooden bridge, he would not step on it for love or money. Days of approach and retreat, playing games he was good at near and around the bridge - nothing doing. Until I reached in my pocket one day and found a frosted mini-wheat. Joe was on the other side of the bridge when I pulled it out thinking what's this? He stepped up onto that bridge as happy as could be to reach the mini-wheat. Never had a bridge issue after that, but the value of treats hit home. I'll end now out of respect for my non-Parelli Fjord friends, but I could discuss this all day g Kate with Joe and Della (who completely support the marriage of treats and Parelli) * In a message dated 7/29/2008 6:42:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do have to ask lightly (or lighter) at times, as Henry will sull up if asked with too loudly. He certainly isn't dull and can be quite sensitive at times - but he can also be very naughty (for the lack of a better word) and ask me the question, if I really mean it (doing this, or doing that)! Sometimes it is hard to discern if he is unconfident of what I am asking, or confident of it and just not willing to do it, as per my request. I am getting better at reading him - so hopefully the more that I can interpret his body language, I can determine if he requires confidence building or motivation (Henry being predominantly a LBI)! **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kate Joe's horseanality sounds so much like Henry's!!! LBI that can be unconfident (but not fearful - yes there is a difference!!!) and RB in unfamiliar surroundings. I know he is not looking at me as the leader yet (my marshmallow personality shining brightly!) and I am trying my darndest at times - but his horseanality is different/new/intriguing for me and I am still trying to learn how to read him (i.e., unconfident/fearful/confident but not motivated, etc.etc.etc.). Then, when I push him - he can at times push back and I must mirror/match and oh my! this has been a great learning experience, that's for sure. But - each day gets better and better. Last week, we joined up at liberty in the outdoor sand ring (no round pen where I board) and Henry stuck to me like glue. It was magical to state the least. Then, at other times (last night - LOL!) - he takes root and is firmly planted. Tonight - we were more connected with fewer plantations and more joining up (on line, but with incredible slack in the line) towards the end of the night. It's the sudden taking root to the ground that throws me (it can come out of nowhere). In the beginning ... I tried treats, but Henry was pushy and rude about it - so I cut them all out. Now, 6 weeks later - I have re-introducted treats from time to time and only if he has done something really great. He is not pushy anymore with the treats, but I exercise caution to not go down that road. I can see treats being a great motivator for him. In fact, I did it once (experimenting) when he was planted and didn't want to enter the arena. Pulled a cookie out and that neck stretched out as much as it could - LOL!! before he decided that if he moved his feet - he might just get that cookie (and into the arena he went!). But again, because of his pushiness in the beginning, I am being cautious about the usage of treats. Hopefully, I can build up enough savvy to use them with purpose :-) Thank you so much for your reply - it is greatly appreciated. Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 9:38:23 PM Subject: Re: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] These guys can be surprisingly tough. I assumed from the start that Joe was a confident horse (before we came up with the whole LB / RB schema). It turns out he was actually very unconfident, but not fearful. So when he would plant and refuse, it was not because he was afraid, but he was not confident - and there's a difference!! Once the new lingo came out, he is definitely a LBI, but shifts to a RB in unfamiliar surroundings. And when he gets bored, flips to RBE - boy howdy those are fun times (although it makes me want to run for cover). I am really a fairly wimpy individual, so most of Joe's issues, turn out to be my own lack of pony leadership skills (I'm good with people, no really, I am!!) Treats have been the secret weapon against boredom and most planting. When he was first introduced to the wooden bridge, he would not step on it for love or money. Days of approach and retreat, playing games he was good at near and around the bridge - nothing doing. Until I reached in my pocket one day and found a frosted mini-wheat. Joe was on the other side of the bridge when I pulled it out thinking what's this? He stepped up onto that bridge as happy as could be to reach the mini-wheat. Never had a bridge issue after that, but the value of treats hit home. I'll end now out of respect for my non-Parelli Fjord friends, but I could discuss this all day g Kate with Joe and Della (who completely support the marriage of treats and Parelli) __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Heather Baskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks so much Vicki for your reply. I have tried a ball and that was a hoot. Henry pushed it, stomped it, tried to eat it, etc.etc.etc. and then within 5 minutes - was what's next on your list? His attentive span is one of a gnat and I have to come up with interesting stuff to do all the time to maintain his focus. And of course, I completely believe that I am being played half the time. I am just floored at this intelligence and I am sure he is counting up his points each time he has played me. In a response to Kate, I mentioned my treats experience. It is a work in progress! I would LOVE to go to Ocala one year. What a dream trip that would be. Again - many thanks for responding! Heather Henry Playing Naturally ... - Original Message From: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:10:27 PM Subject: RE: Question for the Parelli Fjord Folks This message is from: Vicki Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Robin Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] I saw in one of the horse magazines someone that used show ribbons to make a quilt but don't remember which one it was--maybe Horse Illustrated? Robin --- Ron Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Ron Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Hope everyone is surviving winter. I have a question for all of you that might quilt or sew. I have box's and box's of ribbons left over from past Libby shows and was wondering if there was anything that I could make with all of them. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try showthrow.com. Cool site with plenty of information! Kris with Monark and Clyde in NC **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here you go Sherrie, maybe this will help: http://www.showthrow.com/index.html This woman is amazing; I think she makes a living out of doing all sorts of creations from ribbons. Gosh, I coulda had a quilt made from mine, but when we moved to Oregon from Nevada I made myself throw out at least 1/2 of my ribbons that i had accumulated since 1980. It was hard deciding which ones to toss, as each held a fragment of the horse show. I think making pillows would be a fun project; I'll file that as maybe i'll be sitting more than I care too one day.. Karen Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:19:34 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Question not related to horses To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com This message is from: Ron Sherrie Dayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, Hope everyone is surviving winter. I have a question for all of you that might quilt or sew. I have box's and box's of ribbons left over from past Libby shows and was wondering if there was anything that I could make with all of them. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Sherrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: question about Fjords and their stamina
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jen Frame asked about Fjord stamina, strength, and social behavior. I think they do have excellent stamina, but not when they are overweight and/or out of shape. That might be the reason. Yes, Fjords often can push their fencing, and other things, aroung. They know how strong they are. It's people who often don't. I, the middle-aged bossy lady, had to almost bully our very experienced barn builder into making things stronger than he usually did. Good thing. Most Fjords are very social. If there are other Fjords around, however, they often will choose to hang out with their own kind. And Fjords DO NOT always end up lower in status than pasture mates of other breeds. Just ask Erlend's uppity daughter, OH Sadie, who lives at Olivia Farms Questions are just fine. Peg Knutsen www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord.net/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Vic Faeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just saw this question about diarrhea, and was hoping that Jean had helped out. The horse she is talking about is Einar, my 6yo Fjord gelding. And, yes, he had very similar symptoms to the horse you are asking about, Debby. He had vet tests and meds etc., just like you described, and he always checked out just fine. When I bought him and fed him what the breeders were feeding him, timothy, he began to have diarrhea for weeks, although it took about a month to start. So that made it confusing. But as soon as I changed his hay to Alaska brome, he never had diarrhea again - for a whole year. The next spring when local brome was no longer availalbe, I started giving him Washington orchard grass and still no diarrhea at all. But then I took him to a friend's stable for a month this June for training. And even though he was still eating my orchard frass hay he began to get diarrhea again. He was getting a little timothy from the horse in the next paddock, tho, and his trainer was scareing him, too, a little, I think, so I think it was mostly just stress. As soon as I got him home in July (and of course still feed him either orchard or brome) he has been completely fine again. Completely. I did give him a month of Fast Track when I first bought him 1.5 years ago, and while I was swithing him to brome. I did that just to make sure his gut had all that it needed. But I've never given it to him again. So it sounds like your gelding might just need a new hay. And prehaps less stress too? Just as an aside - I use clicker training when I work with Einar myself, and it works like magic! I think horses prefer a yes communication to a no communication. It doesn't cause stress or confusion, and they absolutely love it. I have both of Alexandra's main books. Vic This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My friends had a Fjord they raised, had loose stool problems from babyhood, they thought the mare's milk was too rich, then thought it was worms, finally decided it was the Timothy hay: on Brome hay, no problem, but with Timothy he got loose stools again, even with his new owner, when she got a supply of Timothy hay, he got loose stools again. Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Tanya Manser [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a Fjord that scours when fed lower fibre forage (like grass or rich haylage). In fact about two weeks ago she had a nasty bout of Azoturia which we are attributing to a particular big bale of haylage. I have found that by increasing the dry matter fibre she gets really helps the situation. Over here in the UK we have a chaff called Hi-Fi Lite http://www.dengie.com/pages/products/fibre-feed/hi-fi-lite.php . It is dried alfalfa/lucerne and straw, 40% fibre and very low sugar - presumably you have something similar there? I have found that feeding her significant quantities of this keeps enough fibre in her diet to get her gut working healthily. Good luck with your Fjord! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is another good product out there for horses and dogs, Diarsynal. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Big Horn Forge Daniel Nauman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Jo, First, I am not a Vet OR a Doctor, but I just read of this same condition in a person. Believe it or not, it was constipation! The diarrhea was an overflow (around the hard stool in the intestine). The person was put on laxatives until the stool was passed. (About a week) A lot of water had to be consumed also. Bowel movements returned to normal after that. Have a Vet thoroughly examine this horse before doing anything. The hard spot on his left side gives me pause. Sounds like an impaction. We've all had our bouts with colic. Please let us all know what the ailment was, and how the horse is doing. Good Luck. Toni The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti Jo - Just of the top of my head...Question ? Is the hay they are feeding from the same field, supplier and is it consistent in quality? What about the water supply? Some horses are more sensitive to feed change than others... he just may be one of them. We have one here that gets soft if we pull him from pasture and stall him and he only gets hay verses pasture and hay combination. It will clear up after a week or so... He also will get soft when we go from one field of hay cutting to another... even though the hay quality is the same (protein counts), the slight difference in texture can set him off. Great question... I cannot wait to see what others may think. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Hundehaven - The Dog Heaven www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think colon problems could be like that. I had a horse with right dorsal colitis. The solution was pellets, fed eight times a day, in small quantity. My neighbor has a horse they suspect has colon ulcers. He is ouchy around his flank area, crabby, and moves poorly. Gail Anyone ever have anything like this go on with a horse? Rue, is a TOTAL trooper. Really a neat neat horse. Currently he is on probiotic and pasture. It's just very frustrating because if he were allergic to something in his feed, wouldn't it be daily? Bacterial, all the med's he had would have cleared that up. Did a worm test and he passed, so it's not that. Any help would be appreciated. Patti Jo Walter www.franciscreekfjords.com Please note NEW email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello I often work with race horse from the track and they have a lot intestinal up sets. Some things work on one horse and will not work on another. Sometimes it is just trial and error to get their diet right and of course the race horses have to eat so much grain that it can be impossible to get them ok till they come off it. A product called gastro guard is very good at helping ulcers heal. It is expensive, but well worth it. A week on it can be enough to help heal. All probiotics are not equal as well.You just need to try different types till you find the best one for your horse.I have one horse that can only eat timothy hay. Feed him any different kind of grass and his stomach becomes very volatile.He responds well to a pro biotic call fast track. Does not do as well on probias or several of the other varieties.Ye Sac is one that I have had good success with in older horses that get colicky. Also Succeed is a very good one, but the horse that does well on fast track does not do well on Succeed? Good luck just keep trying and you will find the right combination! Bonnie Morris ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Patti Jo, What a frustrating thing with this gelding! I have a 5 mo. old filly who just got over a weird bout of colitis 2 weeks ago. No temp, gums normal, eating, drinking + nursing, she just had a leaky hiney w/ no solid poops and a bloated belly. Aside from small doses of Banamine and ulcer meds, and the active yogurt + pedialyte blend, we gave her something called Bio Sponge (see link). It worked! The active ing. are suspended in a kaolin base, so it looks like you are putting 60cc's of clay in their mouth.Cleared up the ooze. My vet thought it was a case of salmonella, probably picked up when she ate some of her dam's poop, or stuff that is in the soil.. I can't rule out worms either with this baby, as we have moved onto a property that had not been kept up over the past 5 years, and there has been livestock on here intensively for the past 100+ years. One other product that I would use if my horse had a chronic history of scours, is 4 Life Transfer factor Performance + Show. I have posted about it before on this list, as I used it on a pregnant mare that had a very severe dryland distemper/pigeon fever infection and was severely debilitated. It is a bacterial infection caused by a corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis bacteria. (I actually lost a foal in Calif. to this crud, as her infections + abscesses were all internal.) The Transfer factor was recommended to me by a vet in Galt, Ca. who is a big racing TB vet and deals w/ allot of horses that have immune + respiratory problems. The stuff is $$ but is worth every penny. Since were talking about scours + colitis, on a food note, we grow excellent hay here in the central Oregon area, allot of the fancy Orchard Grass hay is shipped to Kentucky, etc. but I like the kentucky bluegrass straw hay that is a by-product of the grass seed industry here. We can get a ton of it for $70-$75 and it is just fine, bright, clean grass that seems like it was tailor- made for the airferns aka Fjords. I can give each horse 2-3 flakes and they stay busy on it most of the night. They also get some limited turnout on pasture. Here is the Bio Sponge link: http://platinumperformance.com/animal/equine/products/productcategories/product.cfm?category_id=162 Hope some of this info will be of help. Good luck! Karen in Madras, Or. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Jeanne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Good suggestion, Karen, about the BioSponge. Last week one of my fjord's came down with the exact same symptoms. Really runny manure, no fever, gut sounds, normal heart rate, normal colored gums... just really runny manure. My vet came, tubed her with charcoal, shot of banemine and one tube of that biosponge. We've got her on psyllium(sp?!) and the FastTrack probiotic now, and she appears completely normal. Very scary, because my vet now thinks it was a sand colic. So, because of everything that was given to Hanne, I really can't say, for sure, what exactly cleared her up... but she's good now. You can bet I have examined every pile of manure and every time she's laid down in the past two weeks. A very bad feeling, once you have a horse that's been sick. They say sand colic this time of year because, their fat, we cut back on their hay, they're board, so they vacuum every single teeny, weeny piece of whatever and don't drink like they should. Good luck, Patti, finding a resolution to the problem with the gelding. Jeanne - Berthoud, Fall is finally here! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Dave and Patti Walter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, got a question for the list. Not the best topic, butHe developed diarrhea while he was here. We tried several things Anyone ever have anything like this go on with a horse? Any help would be appreciated. Patti Jo Walter I SEE a few Internet sites that deal with this topic.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061211223850AA9jTaE http://ctba.net/01magazine/jul01/hthomas.pdf http://www.horses-and-horse-information.com/articles/0299gastrogrief.shtml the first thing that came to my mind was moldy hay, which can make a horse deathly sick, but if he's changed places it's not likely. best of luck in sorting this out. Ruthie, nw mt US The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My friends had a Fjord they raised, had loose stool problems from babyhood, they thought the mare's milk was too rich, then thought it was worms, finally decided it was the Timothy hay: on Brome hay, no problem, but with Timothy he got loose stools again, even with his new owner, when she got a supply of Timothy hay, he got loose stools again. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, partly cloudy 43 degrees. Winter is right around the corner! A Just of the top of my head...Question ? Is the hay they are feeding from the same field, supplier and is it consistent in quality? What about the water supply? The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try molasses in their water and they will always consume enough. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] let's all try for a more natural life style for our horses and there would be way less colic and intestinal problems. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: question for the list
This message is from: Debbie LeBreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just read your info and I have a 11 year old fjord that has a destemper discharge from her nose. She has trouble breathing and the hay on the Island seems hard on her. I have her on pasture now but that hasn't taken her problem away. I try to exercise her every day but some days she has no energy. I still line drive her plus ride her for about half a hour a day or try to. Just trotting for 5 minutes makes her out of breath. If I keep her on medicine then she gets some energy. I am struggling with this problem. She also seems to have a weak leg problem. My vet checks her all the time and just tells me that it she seems okay. He blames the weakness on rocks. I have shoes on her all the time. The people that owned her before told me that she was a healthy pony. She is a very special pony and if you or the list of others know what to try I would greatly appreciate it. I do not know how to pass this out to the others so if you could please help me and Fergie out we would both apprecate this vey much. Thank you very much. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: question for the list Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:24:02 + This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Patti Jo, What a frustrating thing with this gelding! I have a 5 mo. old filly who just got over a weird bout of colitis 2 weeks ago. No temp, gums normal, eating, drinking + nursing, she just had a leaky hiney w/ no solid poops and a bloated belly. Aside from small doses of Banamine and ulcer meds, and the active yogurt + pedialyte blend, we gave her something called Bio Sponge (see link). It worked! The active ing. are suspended in a kaolin base, so it looks like you are putting 60cc's of clay in their mouth.Cleared up the ooze. My vet thought it was a case of salmonella, probably picked up when she ate some of her dam's poop, or stuff that is in the soil.. I can't rule out worms either with this baby, as we have moved onto a property that had not been kept up over the past 5 years, and there has been livestock on here intensively for the past 100+ years. One other product that I would use if my horse had a chronic history of scours, is 4 Life Transfer factor Performance + Show. I have posted about it before on this list, as I used it on a pregnant mare that had a very severe dryland distemper/pigeon fever infection and was severely debilitated. It is a bacterial infection caused by a corynebacterium pseudotuberculosis bacteria. (I actually lost a foal in Calif. to this crud, as her infections + abscesses were all internal.) The Transfer factor was recommended to me by a vet in Galt, Ca. who is a big racing TB vet and deals w/ allot of horses that have immune + respiratory problems. The stuff is $$ but is worth every penny. Since were talking about scours + colitis, on a food note, we grow excellent hay here in the central Oregon area, allot of the fancy Orchard Grass hay is shipped to Kentucky, etc. but I like the kentucky bluegrass straw hay that is a by-product of the grass seed industry here. We can get a ton of it for $70-$75 and it is just fine, bright, clean grass that seems like it was tailor- made for the airferns aka Fjords. I can give each horse 2-3 flakes and they stay busy on it most of the night. They also get some limited turnout on pasture. Here is the Bio Sponge link: http://platinumperformance.com/animal/equine/products/productcategories/produ ct.cfm?category_id=162 Hope some of this info will be of help. Good luck! Karen in Madras, Or. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: question for the list
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie LeBreton Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:56 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: question for the list This message is from: Debbie LeBreton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just read your info and I have a 11 year old fjord that has a destemper discharge from her nose. She has trouble breathing and the hay on the Island seems hard on her. Where are you? Gail The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Question for Steve
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cynthia-- Thursday, August 3, 2006, you wrote: Gee, Steve, I don't remember you going to a barber for over 25 years! Have you been recently to come up with that imagery??? LOL! Well, no. But I still remember when I was about eight years old and was sent almost weekly to John's barber shop up on 30th Street. The chair sat between two walls completely covered with mirrors, and I can still recall when I first became aware of the reflections of reflections of reflections of reflections, ad infinitum. These ever diminishing, never ending images of myself and John were the first time I grasped the true concept of infinity. And if I hadn't caught it when I did, Sandy and Beth's mail server would have given us all a good taste. I believe all the messages we got were generated out of only two incoming messages before I cut it off. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA Free Speech is the right to yell Theater! in a crowded fire. --Abbie Hoffman
Re: question on learning to drive
This message is from: Beth Pulsifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] No question is ever considered silly... that's how we learn , by asking and listening etc. !:)I don't know if some horses learning to drive are paired with an experienced horse..I've not heard of it myself. I truly don t know that much about driving training... Only what I've experienced myself I do know that they ARE hooked up single to drive after their ground work is solid. Beth in Maine where it has cooled down this evening and is less humid.. Sure don't envy the poor people with the temps in the 90's and over ---Original Message--- From: CHERYL GARNICA Date: 07/22/06 16:37:39 To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question on learning to drive This message is from: CHERYL GARNICA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silly question maybe, but here goes. When training to drive, is the newbie horse always paired as team with experienced partner? Or can they be hooked up single from the start? (after training) There are pics of my fjord on breeders website hitched as a team. I would think a green horse would go with the flow of the team (of course, having training prior). so I'm not sure how well trained he isI got him at age 4 (horse age that is!) When I bought him, the gal sent me pic of him pulling (wrong term I'm sure) alone a sled type thing in snow, and appeared to be going very well. Good verbal whoa, but green under saddle. Maybe he likes driving better, hear horses often favor one over the other. I'm not going to run out and drive, holding on to saddle until I can't climb up anymore...but the thought is intriguing. The mini thingsounds I was wrong thinking more easily controlled. Cheryl in S. Cal [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of 06_side.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg which had a name of 06_b.jpg]
Re: Question of Trailers
This message is from: Jill E. Fishinger CPA P.C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rory, We bought a used Logan 2 horse slant bumper pull with small tackroom upfront. We paid 5,000 for it in excellent shape. They are hard to find but they are out there. We haul our 2 fjords with a Toyota Tundra. We are in the Rocky Mountains and the little truck has no trouble with the mountain passes pulling the trailer. Hope this helps. Jill E. Birdie Bella's Mom 10,500' on the Continental Divide No wind today - Original Message - From: Rory Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Question of Trailers This message is from: Rory Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am looking for a good trailer to haul my two fjords in. Any suggestions would be appreciated about what to look for as this is my first trailer purchase. Thanks. Rory Miller Strawberry Hill Fjords Chehalis WA 98532
Re: question about eval. discussion
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Eike Schoen-Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 3, 2006 3:01 pm Subject: question about eval. discussion This message is from: Eike Schoen-Petersen eike.schoen- [EMAIL PROTECTED] How far would you all think the average interested horse owner would travel to an evaluation? How much does the professional film crew cost vs. an evaluator? Isn´t the answer: more evaluators, more evaluations rather than making movies? Eike I agree more evaluations might be the better route but the practical considerations are sometimes enormous. I will be traveling over 1100 miles one way in October. The only reason that I would consider it at this time for this horse is because I will be going tothe event anyway. However I would NOT do it on a regular basis because of both the expense and the risks to horse and driver. With a couple of horses a year, all profit AND operating expenses for a small breeder could easily be gobbled up with evaluations unless they were restricted to only a few horses- which defeats the purpose of the evaluation. Properly preparing and presenting the horse in an evaluation probably has a significant learning curve, particular if like me the handler is an amateur--- meaning that many horses attend more than one evaluation before attaining the final score. Maybe as a start, and an interim approach, a good, well presented training dvd on how to do it so your horse is shown to his full potential would be invaluable. I would certainly buy it. I think until there are more fjords we will have this problem. We really are still a minority horse population. I own a TB mare that I leased out for breedng to a warmblood, that foal was evaluated as a weanling in a class of 50. My point is that even in rural Idaho there are enough warmbloods to get together a foal evaluation of 50 and required only a 300 mile round trip. I am aware of maybe 15-20 Fjords- All ages, registered and unregistered within a 150 mile radius of my place ( and I own four of them). I think it will be a while before we can realistically host the number and distribution of live evaluations which would make them as available as we would like. So in the meantime, a hybrid approach might be the way to go. I contacted the Vocational College here which has a media department and it could be done for less than $150.00. Not a whole film crew, but an experienced videographer with equipment and editing capability. Kathy in SE Idaho
RE: question about eval. discussion
This message is from: Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the one time production of such a dvd if done professionally, would be worth the value of a couple horses to the future of the breed and a great value to the NFHR. After all it is a one time thing, and the cost could be recouped with the sending out of the video application packet, maybe $100 bucks a horse or something like that. I still don't think some people will go to the evaluations with more evaluators, unless they are maybe within a hundred miles or so. There is more to the question of why people don't go to the evaluations. For me and many others I think it is maybe fear of not knowing what or how to show the horse properly. I think once I was to one to break the ice, it would be easier after that and I would probably go to several. It might also be good for me to go to a mock evaluation if such a thing exists to prep for a official evaluation. Mark Skeels in mild winter Helena Montana,, knock on lenolium. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eike Schoen-Petersen Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:02 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about eval. discussion This message is from: Eike Schoen-Petersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] How far would you all think the average interested horse owner would travel to an evaluation? How much does the professional film crew cost vs. an evaluator? Isn´t the answer: more evaluators, more evaluations rather than making movies? In the comparatively crowded and concentrated scenario of central europe we are used to take the stallions several hundred miles to their performance tests. Even with foals we are used to travel 150 miles. I´m setting off for the US (New Mexico), hope the weather is a little nicer than here - we are about to another blast of Siberian perma-frost! Eike
RE: Question on clippers
This message is from: themercers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eileen, I have Laube 2 speed cordless clippers that you can try. They work great. Bring Jane over and we'll have a clipping party. I also have a Sunbeam livestock clipper that will cut through anything - I bought them back in 1971 and they still work as well now as they did when I bought them! Taffy Mercer Kennewick, WA - where winter has decided to finally visit (hopefully it's a short visit!) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eileen Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:23 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Question on clippers This message is from: Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone on the list give their Fjords a trace or full body clip? My clippers, which have always worked fine on my Appys, just roll over and play dead with the thick Fjord pelt. Anyone have a recommendation for clippers that are built Fjord tough? Eileen in eastern WA, where we might get our first snow of the season.
RE: Question on clippers
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eileen, I use the large industrial strength Stewart 'Clipmaster' clippers. Pretty hefty, but they do the job, horse, after horse. My record is 6 in one day, just major pre-show trimming 2 weeks before the big day. To keep the blades sharper longer, I clean them after each use with the air compressor, and oil the blades before, during and after use. We also have a little set of Wahl clippers that are rechargeable + are good for doing finish work. I haven't body or trace clipped a horse in years, and i don't miss it at all. What a chore...don't even get me started about where 1/2 of all that clipped hair ends up either! Good luck and give Jane a hug for me! Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees From: Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Question on clippers Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:23:00 -0800 This message is from: Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone on the list give their Fjords a trace or full body clip? My clippers, which have always worked fine on my Appys, just roll over and play dead with the thick Fjord pelt. Anyone have a recommendation for clippers that are built Fjord tough? Eileen in eastern WA, where we might get our first snow of the season.
Re: Question on clippers
This message is from: Linda Lottie User [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yathose really big ones. I have a friend who body clips her fjord and she uses that one..my regular sized clippers would not work. The big clipper is spendy..Linda in WI On 11/28/05 8:23 PM, Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Eileen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone on the list give their Fjords a trace or full body clip? My clippers, which have always worked fine on my Appys, just roll over and play dead with the thick Fjord pelt. Anyone have a recommendation for clippers that are built Fjord tough? Eileen in eastern WA, where we might get our first snow of the season.
Re: Question, Help Please
This message is from: lynn mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reena, my two got out last summer and came up to it hanging on the shop. Dont know what they thought but they were interested. Lynn Mohr - Original Message - From: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: Question, Help Please This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lynn I thought it was very cute and can see that from a distance would look more realistic. More of an outside type of artwork though, like others suggested for a barn? or as you say for your shop. wonder how another Fjord would see it? I know Gustav always loved to look at himself in the mirrors at the indoor!! :-) Reena This message is from: lynn mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Gail, Carol and Genie. I appreciate you looking at the head and your comments and suggestions. Gail it isn't meant to be fine art, I made it to hang on the side of my workshop to simulate an open window with a fjord looking out, so your only possible use was what it was intended for. It hung on my shop for a year.
Re: Question, Help Please
This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lynn I thought it was very cute and can see that from a distance would look more realistic. More of an outside type of artwork though, like others suggested for a barn? or as you say for your shop. wonder how another Fjord would see it? I know Gustav always loved to look at himself in the mirrors at the indoor!! :-) Reena This message is from: lynn mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Gail, Carol and Genie. I appreciate you looking at the head and your comments and suggestions. Gail it isn't meant to be fine art, I made it to hang on the side of my workshop to simulate an open window with a fjord looking out, so your only possible use was what it was intended for. It hung on my shop for a year.
Re: Question, Help Please
This message is from: lynn mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Gail, Carol and Genie. I appreciate you looking at the head and your comments and suggestions. Gail it isn't meant to be fine art, I made it to hang on the side of my workshop to simulate an open window with a fjord looking out, so your only possible use was what it was intended for. It hung on my shop for a year. Pounding this out of sheet metal in pieces and welding together it's next to impossible to get subtle detail, I hoped to give the general features and shapes. It is quite realistic from a distance. Again thanks, Lynn Mohr - Original Message - From: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 1:01 AM Subject: RE: Question, Help Please This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lynn, In order to appeal to me this would need to be a little bit more refined, and look a little bit more like the classic Fjord head shape (short, triangular, with big brown eyes)even though many Fjords do not have that exact shape. Also...the mane is a bit blocky for my taste. The problem may be that your medium does not allow you to make it more refined. The way it is, I am not sure where I would put it, except for, possibly on the outside of a barn, where it might rust. This is just my taste, but maybe it will be helpful Gail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lynn mohr Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:18 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Question, Help Please This message is from: lynn mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I mentioned my ebay offering earlier. Could a couple or anyone please sheck this out. I'm interested in what you think about this. Would this type of item be of any interest to other horse owners, in your opinion? any other thoughts you might have as to size etc would be of interest to me. I hammered this out for myself, but thought I would test the waters by putting it up on ebay. To check this out go to ebay and enter this number in the search block (7140494544) or just type fjord horse in the search block. Thanks in advance to anyone who will help me out. Lynn Mohr ps its 7 degrees right now in central lower MI
Re: Question, Help Please
This message is from: Genie Dethloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: lynn mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I mentioned my ebay offering earlier. Could a couple or anyone please sheck this out. I'm interested in what you think about this. Hi Lynn, Wow, what a project! I think people would be interested; I would order if I build a barn. I like his look better from the side than from the front, so here are some suggestions if you make more. Front view: nose narrower and top of head broader. This would help the ears to be wider set. The proportions seem off and he doesn't have that cute look from the front. Mane: smoother arch at front rather than abrupt bridle path cut. Full, wide forelock (can you do that some way as it adds to the cute factor?) Nuzzle: Paint light tan nose ring at top over darker gray area at bottom of nose, which is characteristic for brown dun Fjords. Try to make eye have a softer look; I don't know how you do that but I know Fjords have that puppy or doe eye look. I hope this helps -- Genie Dethloff and Finne Ann Arbor, Michigan
RE: Question, Help Please
This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Lynn, In order to appeal to me this would need to be a little bit more refined, and look a little bit more like the classic Fjord head shape (short, triangular, with big brown eyes)even though many Fjords do not have that exact shape. Also...the mane is a bit blocky for my taste. The problem may be that your medium does not allow you to make it more refined. The way it is, I am not sure where I would put it, except for, possibly on the outside of a barn, where it might rust. This is just my taste, but maybe it will be helpful Gail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lynn mohr Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 8:18 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Question, Help Please This message is from: lynn mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I mentioned my ebay offering earlier. Could a couple or anyone please sheck this out. I'm interested in what you think about this. Would this type of item be of any interest to other horse owners, in your opinion? any other thoughts you might have as to size etc would be of interest to me. I hammered this out for myself, but thought I would test the waters by putting it up on ebay. To check this out go to ebay and enter this number in the search block (7140494544) or just type fjord horse in the search block. Thanks in advance to anyone who will help me out. Lynn Mohr ps its 7 degrees right now in central lower MI
Re: Question about the term on the bit vrs acceptance
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is another great article, on true collection which also addresses the on the bit idea. http://www.equinestudies.org/knowledge/true_collection/true_collection.html Jean in Fairbanks,Alaska, Cloudy and cool, 30 degrees Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about the term on the bit vrs acceptance
This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a question I would like to throw out to you all. The terms, on the bit and acceptance of the bit - have always meant two totally different things to me. ...and often confusing term not only for me but for many riders. Pat === I couldn't define that one myself but since it's pouring down rain I did a mini search and came up with... here's a definition site: On the Bit: A horse is said to be on the bit when he carries his head in a near vertical position and he is calmly accepting the rider's contact on the reins. http://www.globalpampas.com.ar/shop/otraspaginas.asp?pagina=23 Another definition: On the bit: This is much more in depth than simply saying that the horse is in a round outline. For the horse to be on the bit he should be supple, straight, on the rider's aids, accepting the bridle and the contact, working through from behind in a calm soft manner http://www.equs.fsnet.co.uk/articles/article19.htm Here's a site that says it's more than that also... http://www.geocities.com/gerrypony/onthebit.html here's one that says it is a confusing term, and explains why.. http://www.horsemanpro.com/articles2/on_bit.htm more on that (mythunderstood) http://www.meredithmanor.com/features/articles/drm/on_the_aids.asp Ruthie, nw mt How is it with the Florida Fjords, anyone know?
Re: Question about the term on the bit vrs acceptance
This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a question I would like to throw out to you all. The terms, on the bit and acceptance of the bit - have always meant two totally different things to me. It was brought up and discussed in the barns at the LaCrosse Evaluation - and I was wondering if someone (s) would clarify the expectations for me. If Beth or Brian both Evaluators could step up and clarify in regards to the intro riding tests. In the test it reads acceptance. I think its an important and often confusing term not only for me but for many riders. Also: Congratulations to Beth and Obey.and Sandy too.it is allot of work going Gold Medallion, the horses receiving it definitely deserve the honor and the people who worked to present their horses for it earn the recognition. Thank you ahead of time for the discussion of on the bit and acceptance of the bit.
Re: question on hubs ADS
This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone tell me if the hubs have to be recessed to comply with ADS rules. I remember someone telling me they had to be, but I just looked in the ADS rule book and found nothing regarding that. I just bought a two wheel cart and the hubs are NOT recessed. It was built in 1988 - refinshed in 1992. Am I getting myself in trouble at ADS shows? Thank you Pat Holland
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] ou will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I have my Fjord gelding Gunthar boarded out (getting the spa treatment...green grass, barn, hugs before bedtime...the works) across the road. The slightly curmudgeonly husband of the barn owner gets in the stall and cuddles up next to Gunthar, talks to him, feeds him treats. I do not think there is anyone who has met him that does not like him. While he is the sweetest of my Fjordsthey all share similar characteristics. Gail Russell Forestville CA
Re: question about temperament
This message is from: bolinsj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe pony attitude is just 'smarter than the average brown-horse owner'. :-) My Fjord has a 'pony attitude' which is why I like him so much. He is smart and sometimes tries to take advantage, but I'd rather have a thinking pony than a do-little horse. JMHO Martie in MD Tamara Rousso wrote: This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Re: question about temperament
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara TELL THEM they don't know what they're talking about Tamara ! We've handled a lot of Fjords here at Bushwhacker Fjords and haven't yet seen a 'pony attitude,' assuming I even know what one is =))) and I think I do, having had a couple in the past. As I've often said, we both have a background of many different breeds of horses and not one of them are even in the same league with Fjords! I fully believe they are in an elevated class of their own! We have never once had one even mildly deliberately try to hurt us in any manner of ordinary handling and I feel they are the safest kind of horse you could possibly have for handling, even though they have tremendous strength. (they have hearts of gold) Our farrier who is also a trainer, who has ridden some of ours a few times, and handles hundreds of all kinds of horses in a year's time in his line of work says, he can't believe how smart they are and how quickly they catch on! I guess the only problem is that some novice horse owners won't take the time and trouble to start right with a bit of training and schooling, but want to just grab the novice horse and go with it! Reminds me of the time my husband acquired a jet boat and wanted to run the Kootenai River without advice or instruction... well, that was one 'hairy' trip! (my last boating skirmish =)) Nobody ever wants to read the instructions ! So if you don't know what you're doing, and you grab onto a horse that can tell right off that you don't know what you're doing. they just naturally get their guard up and resist! Maybe that could be interpreted as a pony attitude when it really isn't . it's intelligence! Well, as you can tell. we LOVE FJORDS Ruthie Bushwhacker Fjords Gene and Ruthie Bushnell http://www.libby.org/~bushnell Troy, Montana
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think you need so much repetition as to explain what you want so they understand it..break it down into the small steps and they will pick it up right away. The thing is, you don't force them, you negotiate and treat them with respect (good idea for dealing with any horse.) My mare Stella and I used to go round and round, a fight each time I rode her, I was new to horses and taking some lessons but didn't really know what I was doing. When I learned more and started to praise her for doing things right she was an entirely different horse! When I took my time to negotiate and explain things clearly she was more than willing to cooperate. They thrive on praise, and sometime a food treat as used in clicker training works wonders! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where winter has turned to break-up (don't I wish!), with rain and warm temps. Where's our snow? 32F degrees right now. Stubborn is really the wrong word. Because they are drafty, they are cold blooded they appear to be stubborn or stupid. They are neither. Repetition is the only way to get around it. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that from several people now, so thought maybe I should at least ask the question. The interesting thing is everyone who has told me that does NOT own a fjord. Maybe it is just a myth that needs dispelled? You do say they can be stubborn. How do you work around the stubborness? One breed book that I have describes Fjords as self-willed. To me, that simply means that they are capable of having ideas, and if the human doesn't take the leadership role in the partnership, then the Fjord will. Donkeys and mules also get a lot of bad PR for being stubborn---mostly from folks who've never owned one. In fact, they (like Fjords) are intelligent, and somewhat cautious. I rather like having an equine that'll say, Now, let's stop and think about this for a minute Much better than, Run now, ask questions later! As for what you do about it---it's called training. Not just any old training, but respecting the animal's intelligence, and communicating the human's expectations (which includes the expectation that your expectations WILL be met). When most Fjords understand what you want, they'll be pleased to co-operate. There is a saying in the mule world that Mules MUST be trained the way that horses SHOULD be trained. I think that's probably true of Fjords, too. There's also the saying that To train a mule, first you got to know more than the mule. ;-) Fjords are intelligent, and that can be a problem for some horsemen. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
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This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stubborn is really the wrong word. Because they are drafty, they are cold blooded they appear to be stubborn or stupid. They are neither. Repetition is the only way to get around it. You must be prepared to do the lesson over and over and over, however long it takes until they can do it right three times in a row. Once they have it though, there is no re-training them if they are left in the pasture, say all winter. Then come spring you want to ride, you just get on and ride. Unlike other breeds where the lesson has to be refreshed. It is like Amy said in her email, they are just smarter than those trying to train them. They can be ho-hum about stuff, but their retention of a lesson is immense. -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:17 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: RE: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, I have been to visit Fjords and I find them enchanting. But I have heard that from several people now, so thought maybe I should at least ask the question. The interesting thing is everyone who has told me that does NOT own a fjord. Maybe it is just a myth that needs dispelled? You do say they can be stubborn. How do you work around the stubborness? Tamara so Cal --- Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] That just isn't true! They can be stubborn (for lack of a better word) at times. But they are way more eager to please than a pony. They enjoy work, but sometimes they don't understand what it is you want from them, but once they know, they are wonderful. They don't run from you in the pasture because they know it is work time. I have compared my Fjord to my girlfriends ponies and my Fjord is nothing like those ponies. My Fjord comes to me in the pasture, or at worst I walk up to him in the pasture. He has never run away from me to avoid working. Fjords have pony metabolism, they get fat just looking at the lush green pasture of alfalfa! That just makes them easy keepers. They do have some incredible strength! Those necks, you just can't believe the strength, you can feel the power just approaching them, but mine use their power for work, not avoiding work. They love to be put to work! Fjords are so mellow and sweet, if you have not met one in person, I suggest that you go see some. Find a farm near you and ask to go see them. You will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I was sold the moment I walked into a pasture of yearlings! Talk to breeders of Fjords, most people don't even know that you can ride Fjords. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, especially from those who have never owned one. Ask the nay Sayers how much experience they have had around Fjords. My guess would be, none. If you decide against a Fjord, I think you will miss out on a wonderful life changing experience. They are wonderful horses, and I for one would never own another breed of horse. My words are coming from five years experience, and not because I want to sell a horse. Julie -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/4/2003 12:37:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. *** Hi Tamara- Being both a pony and draft aficionado (sorry TB lovers) I believe Fjords are perfect! There is a saying that half a pony's weight is in his brain. This might also be said of Fjords. Personally, I want an equine companion with something between his ears. I don't mind taking the time to explain things to him, and listening to his comments ;-) As someone else mentioned, Fjords can't be bullied into doing things like horses of other breeds. I have seen spookier equines frightened into performing. Only problem with this method is, when the manure hits the fan, that horse is looking out for #1 and running to the next county. Draft horse strength is a good thing, especially if you want to do driving or farm work. Let's face it, any equine is stronger than a human. I'll attest to the fact that a 300lb pony (like mine) is every bit as strong as a big horse. Proper training can persuade even the Fjord with the thickest neck to cooperate ;-) / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
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This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] RIGHT ON, AMY I know that once my Fjord learns something, he has got it for life! I have trained my Fjord from a 4 month old weanling, and I am a novice at best horsewomen and he is a wonderful horse. I have had him in professional training for both riding and driving and both trainers (separate for riding and driving) said that his ground manners are wonderful and that he was sacked out well. It is a definite no no in other breeds for a novice to take on a weanling. My girlfriend breeds and raises Quarter horses and to wean her babies, she locks them in a padded stall for three days before she can handle them again. They are given grain, hay and water, but only through a double dutch door. Fjords are not like that at all! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:04 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: question about temperament This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/4/2003 3:24:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Actually, I translate that phrase to mean too smart for the average person that is trying to handle them! To the untrained eye (and I use the term loosly) Fjords can apear to be; stubborn, bullheaded, balky, etc. I find them to be delightfully intellegent. No, you can't use the quicky training methods on them that may work with some other horses, They are smart enough to question these methods/gimicks. Similar to mules, and yes ponies, you need to take the time to properly explain what you are trying ot teach a Fjord, and they will learn and retain it. They don't do well with the idea that they are supposed to do something just because you say so (in other words you won't have much luck trying to bully them into learning something. Personally, I have found ALL my Fjords to be very good students in anything I try to teach them. But, this is just my own humble opinion.. Amy
RE: question about temperament
This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Julie, I have been to visit Fjords and I find them enchanting. But I have heard that from several people now, so thought maybe I should at least ask the question. The interesting thing is everyone who has told me that does NOT own a fjord. Maybe it is just a myth that needs dispelled? You do say they can be stubborn. How do you work around the stubborness? Tamara so Cal --- Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] That just isn't true! They can be stubborn (for lack of a better word) at times. But they are way more eager to please than a pony. They enjoy work, but sometimes they don't understand what it is you want from them, but once they know, they are wonderful. They don't run from you in the pasture because they know it is work time. I have compared my Fjord to my girlfriends ponies and my Fjord is nothing like those ponies. My Fjord comes to me in the pasture, or at worst I walk up to him in the pasture. He has never run away from me to avoid working. Fjords have pony metabolism, they get fat just looking at the lush green pasture of alfalfa! That just makes them easy keepers. They do have some incredible strength! Those necks, you just can't believe the strength, you can feel the power just approaching them, but mine use their power for work, not avoiding work. They love to be put to work! Fjords are so mellow and sweet, if you have not met one in person, I suggest that you go see some. Find a farm near you and ask to go see them. You will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I was sold the moment I walked into a pasture of yearlings! Talk to breeders of Fjords, most people don't even know that you can ride Fjords. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, especially from those who have never owned one. Ask the nay Sayers how much experience they have had around Fjords. My guess would be, none. If you decide against a Fjord, I think you will miss out on a wonderful life changing experience. They are wonderful horses, and I for one would never own another breed of horse. My words are coming from five years experience, and not because I want to sell a horse. Julie -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/4/2003 3:24:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Actually, I translate that phrase to mean too smart for the average person that is trying to handle them! To the untrained eye (and I use the term loosly) Fjords can apear to be; stubborn, bullheaded, balky, etc. I find them to be delightfully intellegent. No, you can't use the quicky training methods on them that may work with some other horses, They are smart enough to question these methods/gimicks. Similar to mules, and yes ponies, you need to take the time to properly explain what you are trying ot teach a Fjord, and they will learn and retain it. They don't do well with the idea that they are supposed to do something just because you say so (in other words you won't have much luck trying to bully them into learning something. Personally, I have found ALL my Fjords to be very good students in anything I try to teach them. But, this is just my own humble opinion.. Amy
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This message is from: Casanova, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] That just isn't true! They can be stubborn (for lack of a better word) at times. But they are way more eager to please than a pony. They enjoy work, but sometimes they don't understand what it is you want from them, but once they know, they are wonderful. They don't run from you in the pasture because they know it is work time. I have compared my Fjord to my girlfriends ponies and my Fjord is nothing like those ponies. My Fjord comes to me in the pasture, or at worst I walk up to him in the pasture. He has never run away from me to avoid working. Fjords have pony metabolism, they get fat just looking at the lush green pasture of alfalfa! That just makes them easy keepers. They do have some incredible strength! Those necks, you just can't believe the strength, you can feel the power just approaching them, but mine use their power for work, not avoiding work. They love to be put to work! Fjords are so mellow and sweet, if you have not met one in person, I suggest that you go see some. Find a farm near you and ask to go see them. You will be sold the moment you lay your eyes on them and feel their sweetness. It is like an aura, you have to experience for yourself. I was sold the moment I walked into a pasture of yearlings! Talk to breeders of Fjords, most people don't even know that you can ride Fjords. There are a lot of misconceptions out there, especially from those who have never owned one. Ask the nay Sayers how much experience they have had around Fjords. My guess would be, none. If you decide against a Fjord, I think you will miss out on a wonderful life changing experience. They are wonderful horses, and I for one would never own another breed of horse. My words are coming from five years experience, and not because I want to sell a horse. Julie -Original Message- From: Tamara Rousso [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: question about temperament This message is from: Tamara Rousso [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've recently had three people warn me against buying a Fjord because they have a pony attitude with draft horse strength. By 'pony attitude' I believe they mean difficult to handle. Please comment. Tamara So Cal = ***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^***^^*** If you would be a real seeker after truth, it is necessary that at least once in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. Rene Descart
Re: Question
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try this Sherrie.Tillie Dun Lookin' Fjords Bud,Tillie Amy Evers Redmond OR (541) 548-6018 http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589
Re: question of identification
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] The NFHR encourages the use of Microchips in its horses. We require DNA typing on any horse presented for registration to prove the correct parentage. Mike At 10:12 AM 9/4/2003 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Gina Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello! I have a general question, which might sound dumb...but how are registered fjords identified, Since they lack distinguishing facial and leg markings of other breeds? Are they tattooed, microchipped? I know visually it is easy to identify a horse of the breed, but I am wondering how individual animals are distinguished and ensured that they are of pure breeding, etc. Continuing on my learning quest! Thanks! Gina L. Marinette, WI === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question??? Freeze branding
This message is from: Deb Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have one branded mare, she is registered with the Fjord breeder registry and NFHR. Her's is a hot brand and it is ugly. As well as being totally illegible! The scar tissue gets very dry and itchy in summer, I keep mineral oil or neosporin on it. Freeze branding is different, the area shows white hairs only usually on non Fjords would be covered by the mane. I think it would be just an added peace of mind to have it done. we have 3 horse auction places within 50 miles of here and none look for a microchip. All are a no questions asked basis!! Quite Scary!!! I would not hesitate to purchase a Fjord with a brand. Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords Waterford, Pa Home of Tolgar,Belle and Levi,Hilda,Senja,Beckett,Rosie and Daniel I have a questiondoes anyone have experience with freeze branding?
Re: Question on branding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, DeeAnna, for your information on branding. Sounds like neither branding or microchipping is worth much unless a person is looking for one or the other. Appreciate all the comments on branding - they have been so interesting. Linda in MN - we are getting a doozie of a snowstorm
Re: Question on branding
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda in MN wrote: ...A brand provides a visual clue to check data on a horse Yes, you're right it does, but you have to be able to connect the brand with the brand owner. Back in the days when livestock was not usually shipped far and wide, identifying a brand on an animal was a relatively simple matter. Today, it can be very tough to connect a brand with its owner. There is no central registry of brands in the U.S., so you have to contact the brand registry in each individual state. Just finding the state registry is a hassle -- there's no registry of brand registries either! Why do I know this? About 2 years ago, I rescued a small Belgian mare out of the kill pen at a local auction in northeastern Iowa. Annie is a sorrel bay roan. From her coloring and body type, I think she is at least part Brabant (European Belgian). She has a W= brand on her left flank. I'd love to know if she can be registered and what percentage of Brabant is in her breeding. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to connect the brand with Annie's original owner. I don't know if you'd get much name recognition in Minnesota from owning a brand and using it on your horses, Linda. In the midwestern and eastern states, branding is not common. People would have to know to check the MN brand registry for the brand on that hypothetical stolen horse -- and why would anyone have a clue to think that the brand was registered in MN or anywhere east of the Missouri River? If there was a centralized brand registry, that would be a different story I think. DeeAnna
Re: Question???
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a questiondoes anyone have experience with freeze branding? [...] I am about to microchip my fjords but realize unless a scanner is used (in the event of being stolenat auction...etc.) a microchip is useless. A brand provides a visual clue to check data on a horse. There are freeze brands, and freezemarks. Freeze brands are like hot brands---you have your own branding iron (for your ranch, or whatever), and apply your registered (with your county or your state) brand to your animals. It identifies that animal as yours, but it's the same for all of your animals. However, someone in a different state (or county) could register that same brand as theirs! Freezemarks are unique to the individual animal, and are a technology owned/franchised by: Kryo Kinetics Associates, Inc. http://www.horseweb.com/kka/ I just verified that their web page is still there; it has buttons for more info, and to send them e-mail. Several years back, I was planning to take one of my Fjords to a clinic, held at a stable all-too-convenient to a freeway. Since there had been a spate of horse theft in the area, and since Fjords are nice, big meaty horses, I wanted some obvious ID on the animal. (The claim is that horse thieves shy away from horses with obvious freezemarks---which the police can use as a vehicle ID number to fill out stolen property reports. And, in theory, the slaughter houses are required to have a more convincing paper trail for freezemarked horses, since the BLM uses that system to ID mustangs, and there is a Federal law requiring that slaughter of such horses be properly documented. I can't say if it actually works that way, but there have been anecdotes of mass-thefts, in which the freezemarked horses were left behind, or turned loose nearby. I.e. it's less potential risk to steal an unmarked chestnut horse than a freezemarked chestnut horse.) Anyway, while I had the KKA technician out, I had all of my equines freezemarked, Fjords and donkey. The marks are fairly obvious in the summer, but should be kept clipped for best visibility in the winter. I don't bother unless I'm taking the horses somewhere that I would need to ID them, or would need the theft deterence. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
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This message is from: raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I live in Wyoming and a brand is reguired for identification on harses Yes I buy and sell Fjords with brandsAt this time i am trying to liquidate our 7 fjords due to health and lifestyle changes freeze branding is not recognized by the state of Wyoming. Raymond
Re: Question about crossbreeding and color
This message is from: Monica Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gray is a dominant gene (no relation to the gray dun Fjord colour), so the Percheron/Fjord cross got the gray gene from her Percheron parent. Plus she would have received a dun gene from her Fjord parent. We don't know what underlying coat colour the mare may have received from her Percheron parent (likely black); from the Fjord side it's most likely bay. The Belgian is presumably chestnut. This mare has a 50% chance of passing on the gray gene and a 50% chance of passing on the dun gene. So the foal could be dun, or could go gray, or both. The base coat colour could be bay, chestnut or black. This is admittedly a quick assessment and if I've missed something, no doubt someone will be along to correct me! Monica in Nelson, BC - Original Message - From: DT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: Question about crossbreeding and color This message is from: DT [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have posted here that I took a friend's Percheron/Fjord cross in for her. SHe is pregnant and has been bred to a Belgian. She is gray with the dappling being that Fjord yellow color. If the baby is 50% Belgian and 25% Fjord and 25% Grey Percheron what might the color of the foal be? Also I am feeding the mare a good quality grass hay and giving vitamin supplements. I was planning on feeding her Alfalfa/grass in her last month of pregnancy. I would like opinions? Deb, mom of Lars (who adores the mare, Sundae)
Re: question re Fjord colors
This message is from: Monica Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori Albrough said: The kvit can be registered in the NFHR It is just not one of the accepted or desired colours, that is why we always speak of the five colours of the Fjord. Okay, so we speak of the five colours of the Fjord but technically there are eight... if the three genotypes classed as kvit can be registered, then kvits of good conformation, temperament etc might be desirable for breeders who want to preserve the creme dilution colours (which I understand used to be more prevalent than they are now)... What does a grey dun with the creme gene look like? A paler grulla colour? Tor Nestaas says you can't tell from the phenotype what the genotype is. I would expect the grey to be a paler shade, but that is just a guess. Okay, this makes sense because the creme gene doesn't affect black hair - some smoky blacks (black horses with the creme gene) have a silvery cast but many look just like any other black horse. technically you aren't going to get 50% white, right... that offspring could be either white, yellow or grey with the dilution gene. Right. I forgot about the possibility of differing base coats in the offspring. There are four genotypes of grey, two of which carry Ccr... Thank you so much for this comprehensive information! Very concise and informative. Monica in Nelson, BC (knee deep in snow and Friska is shedding already!)
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This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, okay, does this mean a perlino or cremello Fjord (kvit) cannot be registered? If not, what is the thinking behind the rule? The kvit can be registered in the NFHR. I don't know about the registry in Norway. It is just not one of the accepted or desired colours, that is why we always speak of the five colours of the Fjord. What does a grey dun with the creme gene look like? A paler grulla colour? Tor Nestaas says you can't tell from the phenotype what the genotype is. I would expect the grey to be a paler shade, but that is just a guess. You can figure out from the pedigree if a grey horse has the creme gene, or rather, if he could have it. For example, if a grey horse had two brown parents, there is no way he has Ccr. You can rule it out that way. You can tell from the offspring if he does have it (for example, if a grey sired a white when bred to a brown you would know he has it.) Thanks for the information. I see that's what Dr. Sponenberg says in the pdf article, too. So if you were to breed a perlino Fjord to a brown dun Fjord, you could expect to get a white dun foal., but never by breeding brown dun to brown dun... Correct, in the above mating you would get either: white, yellow or grey. This is interesting. So white duns would be produced 50% of the time from breeding a brown dun to a white dun or a yellow dun, or to a grey dun that carries a hidden creme gene (or from breeding white/yellow/grey creme to each other, which would also give you a 25% chance of getting a kvit), and 100% of the time if bred to a kvit... Yeah you've got it, except technically you aren't going to get 50% white, right... In your breeding of a white dun to another colour, the Ccr will be passed 50% of the time - so breeding brown to white will produce a diluted offspring 50% of the time, and that offspring could be either white, yellow or grey with the dilution gene. You are right on about the 25% chance of kvit when breeding two horses who both carry Ccr. How many grey dun (grulla) genotypes are there? (I'm guessing three since a black horse can also carry bay and chestnut.) Which ones can carry a 'hidden' creme gene? There are four genotypes of grey, two of which carry Ccr. They are: 1. aa BB CC ZZ 2. aa Bb CC ZZ 3. aa BB CCcr ZZ 4. aa Bb CCcr ZZ (Notation note: A is gene for limitation of black, B is gene for black, C is basic factor for colour, Ccr is gene for dilution of colour, Z is gene for dun, which all Fjords have two of.) Sam Stanley said: Anyone have quick easy way to tell color? Oh by the way his mother is oak point's Selma (gray) and his dad Hillmar (drk brown) I, too, would guess grey dun but according to Lori's information it's possible that he could also be a white dun... of course I have no experience with what these colours actually look like in a foal... Colours can be hard to tell by looking in a foal. I looked up the pedigree of Sam's mare, Oak Point's Selma. She is a grey with two brown dun parents, so we know for sure she does not carry Ccr. Therefore, when bred to a brown stallion, she could produce either brown, grey, or red. Based on Sam's description, the colt sounds grey (those black 'exclamation points' over the eyes are a real good clue). Monica in Nelson, BC Lori Lori Albrough Bluebird Lane Fjords Moorefield Ontario
Re: question re Fjord colors
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting in the remark about the yellow colored eyes. When I was looking for a fjord to replace my Howdy I met Chance who fell for me immediately but I was turned off by his yellowish eyes. A bit like goat eyes. A perfectly fine friendly gentleman who kept nickering to me like we were old friends. I think I made a mistake there. He was a brown dun.Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: question re Fjord colors
This message is from: Monica Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jean Ernest said:
Are you familiar with Phil Sponenberg's book? He also wrote an article on
color of Fjordhorses which is in the articles section on the NFHR website.
http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Color1.pdf
http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Color2.pdf
Very interesting articles, thank you.
I do think some so called white duns may be very light grullas or greys.
some grey duns have very pale white bodies with the darker face.
Yes, it gets very confusing when horses are registered as the wrong
colour...
Lori Albrough said:
There are 5 accepted Fjord colours, not 7 as stated in your message. The
colours Cremello perlino are not desirable colours for the Fjord, and
are
caused by two copies of the creme dilution gene.
Oh, okay, does this mean a perlino or cremello Fjord (kvit) cannot be
registered? If not, what is the thinking behind the rule?
This colour (kvit) could result from the breeding of a {white/yellow/some
genotypes of grey}...
What does a grey dun with the creme gene look like? A paler grulla colour?
The white dun is basically a brown dun with one copy of the creme (Ccr)
dilution gene. It is that simple. A brown dun Fjord can NOT carry a copy
of
the creme gene as stated in your message. If he did, he would be a white
dun
Fjord.
Thanks for the information. I see that's what Dr. Sponenberg says in the
pdf article, too. So if you were to breed a perlino Fjord to a brown dun
Fjord, you could expect to get a white dun foal., but never by breeding
brown dun to brown dun...
The only Fjord colour
which can carry Ccr 'hidden' (not visible in the phenotype) are two of the
grey genotypes.
This is interesting. So white duns would be produced 50% of the time from
breeding a brown dun to a white dun or a yellow dun, or to a grey dun that
carries a hidden creme gene (or from breeding white/yellow/grey creme to
each other, which would also give you a 25% chance of getting a kvit), and
100% of the time if bred to a kvit... How many grey dun (grulla) genotypes
are there? (I'm guessing three since a black horse can also carry bay and
chestnut.) Which ones can carry a 'hidden' creme gene?
...To confuse things further, I just realized Fjords can come in eight
colours (whether acceptable or not), not seven - a horse with a black base
coat (e.g. grey dun) and two creme genes looks much like a cremello or
perlino (nearly white with pink skin and blue eyes) but is called a smoky
cream.
Sam Stanley said:
Anyone have quick easy way to tell color?
Oh by the way his mother is oak point's Selma (gray) and his dad Hillmar
(drk brown)
I, too, would guess grey dun but according to Lori's information it's
possible that he could also be a white dun... of course I have no experience
with what these colours actually look like in a foal...
Monica in Nelson, BC
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like a grey to me, and if his leg stripes are showing already, then he will be very boldly marked! Maybe a darker grey, which I think is the most attractive! Certainly won't detract from stallion quality...will add to it if anything! CAn you send me a picture? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, -5F this morning, moonlight and clear. My oh my you have not bored me to death! this is timely for me as I have a gorgeous little colt born Oct 8th that I had been wringing my hands over the color (s) At birth I was convinced he was a gray dun, a few days later, brown, but wait the eyes have black checks over them and oh my goodness they are not brown they are they blue??? His eyes tend to look very blue in bright sun, and get more Hazelish when overcast or dim light inside. Not blue like a paint might have. The center of his forehead is a lovely gray, his body coat is brown, his legs appear whitish gray below the knees there is now what looks to be very dark stripes coming out very high on the legs! He is fun to watch changing colors. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Monica Spencer wrote:
Horse colour genetics are an
interest of mine, but the Fjord colours have me a tad confused...
Hi Monica,
There are 5 accepted Fjord colours, not 7 as stated in your message. The
colours Cremello perlino are not desirable colours for the Fjord, and are
caused by two copies of the creme dilution gene. This gives a white
coloured, blue eyed horse, known as 'kvit' in Norway and commonly called
'albino' in English, although it is not a true albino. This colour (kvit)
could result from the breeding of a {white/yellow/some genotypes of grey}
dun to a {white/yellow/some genotypes of grey} dun, when the resulting
offspring inherits a Ccr gene from both parents.
The part that has me confused is the seventh colour found in Fjords: the white
dun. This colour doesn't seem to appear in other horse breeds, or maybe it
does appear but doesn't look quite the same due to the influence of other
modifying genes present in the Fjords. I can't figure out the genetics of the
white duns.
The white dun is basically a brown dun with one copy of the creme (Ccr)
dilution gene. It is that simple. A brown dun Fjord can NOT carry a copy of
the creme gene as stated in your message. If he did, he would be a white dun
Fjord. No genotypes of brown dun have the Ccr gene. Lighter and darker
shades of brown dun are not caused by the Ccr gene. The only Fjord colour
which can carry Ccr 'hidden' (not visible in the phenotype) are two of the
grey genotypes.
Lori
Lori Albrough
Moorefield Ontario
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/17/2003 1:13:46 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once in a while a Fjord with two creme genes pops up, and they are of course cremello if the base coat is chestnut, and perlino if the base coat is bay or black. They have blue eyes. My oh my you have not bored me to death! this is timely for me as I have a gorgeous little colt born Oct 8th that I had been wringing my hands over the color (s) At birth I was convinced he was a gray dun, a few days later, brown, but wait the eyes have black checks over them and oh my goodness they are not brown they are they blue??? His eyes tend to look very blue in bright sun, and get more Hazelish when overcast or dim light inside. Not blue like a paint might have. The center of his forehead is a lovely gray, his body coat is brown, his legs appear whitish gray below the knees there is now what looks to be very dark stripes coming out very high on the legs! He is fun to watch changing colors. I am saving all info on color and genetics that anyone posts and would love to hear from anyone directly who might be interested in educating me further. Anyone have quick easy way to tell color? Oh by the way his mother is oak point's Selma (gray) and his dad Hillmar (drk brown) I have sent he and his Mom to frolic in the giagiagari's fields for the time being they can ooh and aahh over him and wonder what color spring will bring! My big question is, would this be considered undesirable for a stallion prospect? repectfully, Sam Stanley Barefoot Farm Fjords Amesbury Ma
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you familiar with Phil Sponenberg's book? He also wrote an article on color of Fjordhorses which is in the articles section on the NFHR website. http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Color1.pdf http://www.nfhr.com/PDF/Color2.pdf also all the five colors are shown on the NFHR website as well as Tor Nestas article at the bottom..keep scrolling. http://www.nfhr.com/Colors.htm In his books on horse color genetics Sponenberg shows several pictures of what he call siver dun, silver grullo. These were spanish mustangs or quarterhorses, I believe. I think that the Ulsdun or white dun in Fjords is much like that color. I have the white dun mare Stella, who has dark gold eyes. I don't know what color her eyes were when born. She has the black stripe in mane and tail, dark markings on legs. I also have her granddaughter Anvil's Adel, who has no obvious stripe (but scattered back hairs )in her mane and tail, a pale dorsal stripe, pale yellow on legs and face. she may be a yellow? Anyway, her eyes are gold. I don't know what color they were at birth. Peg Knutsen mentiond a yellow dun filly born to a white dun mare, sired by a grey dun, and apparently her eyes were blue at birth and have turned dark (gold?) You can see my album of white duns and yellow duns related to Mary Thurman's white dun mare Line and her daughter Stella at: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999gid=743898uid=460539 If that link doesn't work just use http://www.picturetrail.com and search for Akfjords then choose the album for Line and Stella. I do think some so called white duns may be very light grullas or greys. some grey duns have very pale white bodies with the darker face. Hope this helps. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Clear and seasonably cold, -5F The part that has me confused is the seventh colour found in Fjords: the white dun. This colour doesn't seem to appear in other horse breeds, or maybe it does appear but doesn't look quite the same due to the influence of other modifying genes present in the Fjords. I can't figure out the genetics of the white duns. I think they're born with blue or green eyes which later darken to a sort of amber colour... I have a suspicion that the white duns are grullas (grey duns) with the addition of a creme gene, and I'd love to find out. (Short of scrounging up a double-creme Fjord and breeding it to a homozygous grey dun.) Anyone know the answer to this? Or have I bored you all to death? Monica in Nelson, BC Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Easy there Jean re old wives tales. I remember when I was in Germany that a German shepherd bitch was ruined if she was accidentally bred to a cur or other breed. I laughed at it and got in big trouble. Those old thoughts were pretty ingrained. At least it kept lines pure!!! Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I would imagine that some markers are predominent-- just as the crossbred product is ALWAYS stamped with the Fjord appearance, so might it be I am by no means an expert in genetics, but I have always wondered how one could cross a coldblood with a hotblood and be successful. We rescued an Arabian mare about 4 years ago. She was friendly, curious, attentive...but SO much different from the Fjords! Her body language was extreme and for about the first month or so, when she was trying to say...this is MY hay!the Fjords were thinking she was broadcasting some sort of catastrophic event. A Fjord's body language is quite subtle when compared to some of the other breeds, for instance, a slight laying back of the ears, mock charge, and they have worked out their pecking order. The Arabian mare would go through these fits of pinning her ears, barring her teeth, doing this odd snaky thing with her neck, serious charging...and kicking. So, I have to wonder if mixing these two breeds, with such different behavior patterns, wouldn't cause problems in the offspring? I have a very tiny Classic Shetland that is, what I consider, a perfect example of poor crossbreeding. The Classic Shetlands have Hackney mixed with them to produce leg action. This little girl has a few Hackney ancestors and she is truly a little brute. Do not get me wrong, she is smart, curiousbut she is SO high-strung she is difficult to work with. She will literally go off the deepend for no apparent reason. For her, she goes from calm to IMMEDIATE flight response. No warning, just gone. However, with some of the newer Shetlands, they do not necessarily turn and run, their immediate response is to rear. I cannot count the times either myself, Dan, or our vet have ended up having an armful of Classic Shetland! And before anyone says...repetition, experience, etc.trust me, we have done this over and over with her. She is a bundle of nerves and was BRED to be so. It is not her fault. She tries to the best of her ability, but she will never be able to be around a child, and why would people breed a pony that cannot be around a child? Because of how very calm Fjords are and with their subtle body language, even if one did wish to crossbreed, I cannot see how this type of personality could be easily matched to another breed for a positive outcome regarding temperament. Of course, I still do not understand WHY one would want to in the first place. Of course, this is just my opinion on the matter! Lynda
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This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmmm, food for thought. Suppose it IS true that the Fjord temperament isn't dominant in the crosses. That might argue that the Fjord temperament is on a recessive gene---which means that having a Fjord with a good temperament requires that BOTH parents have good temperaments. Marsha Jo === We've been very fortunate to have nothing but good temperaments in all the Fjords we've handled. It's therefore hard for me to imagine a Fjord without a good temperament, never having met one to date... be it good fortune or the general rule, I don't know. I would imagine that some markers are predominent-- just as the crossbred product is ALWAYS stamped with the Fjord appearance, so might it be predisposed to assume the lesser temperament of the light horse? Supposition I know. The realm of genetics is yet a virtually unexplored galaxy. Fascinating. Ruthie
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And maybe someone would mistake a Fjord mule for a pure Fjord? I guess it is possible if they don't know the breed. And if that mule was less than cooperative? I kind of doubt that anyone would mistake any kind of mule for any purebred horse. The ears are usually a give-away, as is the skimpy mane and tail, not to mention the voice. And, given what bad PR donkeys and mules tend to have, I can't imagine anyone blaming the Fjord for any mule's temperament! OTOH, given that the average horseman doesn't know the difference between an Icelandic and a Fjord My recollection of the no mules rule was that it came about after someone inquired about breeding Fjord zorses (zebra-X). Breeders of zebra hybrids see the Fjord's dun coloring as an excellent canvas on which to paint the zebra stripes. Fjord breeders were offended by the concept, so threw out the useful mules (horse x donkey) with the designer equine zorses. Neither is a threat to Fjord genetic purity, as the vast majority of the equine hybrids are sterile. And, given what I've heard about zebra temperaments, I doubt anyone would try to blame the Fjord for anything a zorse did, either! Hmmm, food for thought. Suppose it IS true that the Fjord temperament isn't dominant in the crosses. That might argue that the Fjord temperament is on a recessive gene---which means that having a Fjord with a good temperament requires that BOTH parents have good temperaments. So, maybe temperament ought to be a bigger chunk of what gets Evaluated? Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: question about fjord adoption
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jenn, . I live just south of Seattle. I have called around to a couple of places and they said that they just have other horses no fjords. If anyone knows of a place that I could adopt one please let me know, my e mail is To the best of my knowledge, Fjords have been rarely seen in American rescues as they are still a fairly rare breed. As of last week, the United Equine Foundation decided to have a Norwegian Fjord Representative (me) begin to work through Canadian feedlots and slaughter facilities in order to rescue whatever Fjords we might find. If one of these Fjords would interest you in the future, you are more than welcome to apply for an adoption application by emailing [EMAIL PROTECTED] We already have a list going, so it could be a bit of a wait! Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative For donations to save a Fjord, please visit PayPal.com and enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
Re: Question for all you Experts
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 11/20/2002 12:02:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MY MARE, who is 4 and a half years old, has inflamed but not swollen gums around all of her visible teeth. She is eating and drinking well, but I noticed a small amount of blood at her corner incisors the other day, leading me to check her mouth more thoroughly. I really don't have an answer on the inflamed gums thing, but the blood on the corner incisors is probably due to her getting ready to lose those outside baby teeth; that usually happens around four years old. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You call it Trense or Gebiss (Embedded Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]@angus.mystery.com image moved 09.12.2001 03:47 to file: pic23072.pcx) Please respond to fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjord fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com cc: Subject: question Security Level:? Internal This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anke, how do you say bit (horse's mouthpiece) in German?Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of pic23072.pcx]
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This message is from: Alison Bakken [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, To wash those big western pads. Pressure washer work wonderfully, or take them to the local car wash. Alison Bakken Sundre, Alberta
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Car Wash! That high pressure sprayer works wonders on things like that, but be sure to rinse really well. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd washed them with shampoo and waited 4 days until they were dry. But I changed the pads to Equitex-pads which you can wash in the machine and dried after one day. Also, A'simi lost his hairs behind the saddle from those fleece pads. It will not fit with his hair and through to an electricity between fleece and hairs they were broken. (Embedded [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ANGUS.MYSTERY.COM image moved 19.11.2001 04:56 to file: pic28719.pcx) Please respond to fjordhorse@ANGUS.MYSTERY.COM Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@ANGUS.MYSTERY.COM cc: Subject: question Security Level:? Internal This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a question out there for those who ride western. I was given a few heavy wool western pads. They are very thick with fleece lining on the underside. Any recommendations on how to wash them? They're really gross and I was hoping to be able to stuff them in the washer, but they don't quite fit :-) Any thoughts or suggestions? Kate Mom to Baldur the wonder Fjord Plus two brilliant human children [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of pic28719.pcx]
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kate I just gathered up every horse blanket, pads, doggie coats, bedding blankets and towels in the barn and garage and sent them to the laundry. It was $127 but worth every bit of it. Now when a horse decides to lie down or roll he is in trouble. I want those blankets to stay clean. You bet. :) Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, Wa 98563
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Kate, borrow a pressure washer go to town on a paved surface...if no pressure washer is avail, go to the car wash - seriously! works great! I find I don't even need to use soap. Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a question out there for those who ride western. I was given a few heavy wool western pads. They are very thick with fleece lining on the underside. Any recommendations on how to wash them? Kate Mom to Baldur the wonder Fjord Plus two brilliant human children _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
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This message is from: Mariposa Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use a big commercial plastic laundry hamper and a big stick to swish them around Kind of like a big tub on wheels. Works great. I did try to bring them in to our local laundry mat once and got busted by the old lady who watches the place! Since then the big tub works just fine. Mark (only one brillant child... at least that is what she tells us) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a question out there for those who ride western. I was given a few heavy wool western pads. They are very thick with fleece lining on the underside. Any recommendations on how to wash them? They're really gross and I was hoping to be able to stuff them in the washer, but they don't quite fit :-) Any thoughts or suggestions? Kate Mom to Baldur the wonder Fjord Plus two brilliant human children
Re: re question
This message is from: truman matz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: M.Bijster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjorden mailinglist fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 2:56 AM Subject: re question This message is from: M.Bijster [EMAIL PROTECTED] In Norway or Holland are all colts gelded that do not get a certain rating? in Holland, yes greetings, Marion * What do they do to control the quality of the breeding mares? It seems to me that at least 50%, (or more), of the genetics that make up a foal come from the mare. Yet I never hear anything about quality control of mares from any of the countries. Only the stallions. (Yes, I realize the stallion can be responsible for many foals in one season, whereas the mare only one in a season. But that one should be the very best it can be.) Judy
