Mares For Sale
This message is from: Amy Evers fjord...@aol.com I'm sorry if anyone gets this a second time... I sent it on the 31st and it never did show up from the list (not in my mail anyway). I've only gotten one email from the list since, and that was today. Not sure if it was down, or just no one talking??? Anyway, I have a pair of mature mares (1994 1996) that I really need to sell. They both ride and drive; one is safe for just about anyone to ride, the other has been shown quite extensively in harness. Neither one has been used more than a handful of times in the last 5 years. Both are sound and healthy, but just out to pasture because I have no place to keep where I can use them. I've got them listed at 4500 and 3000 but I'll make someone a good deal if they'd like to have them both. I also have a nearly new Smucker's pairs harness that can be sold either with the mares or separately. If anyone is interested you can email me privately at fjord...@aol.com. Please understand that I need to SELL them, I'm not interested in free leasing them. Thanks. Amy Evers Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Mares for sale
This message is from: Amy Evers fjord...@aol.com I'm sorry if anyone gets this a second time... I sent it on the 31st and it never did show up from the list (not in my mail anyway). I've only gotten one email from the list since, and that was today. Not sure if it was down, or just no one talking??? Anyway, I have a pair of mature mares (1994 1996) that I really need to sell. They both ride and drive; one is safe for just about anyone to ride, the other has been shown quite extensively in harness. Neither one has been used more than a handful of times in the last 5 years. Both are sound and healthy, but just out to pasture because I have no place to keep where I can use them. I've got them listed at 4500 and 3000 but I'll make someone a good deal if they'd like to have them both. I also have a nearly new Smucker's pairs harness that can be sold either with the mares or separately. If anyone is interested you can email me privately at fjord...@aol.com. Please understand that I need to SELL them, I'm not interested in free leasing them. Thanks. Amy Evers Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Mares for sale
This message is from: Amy Evers fjord...@aol.com I have a pair of mature mares (1994 1996) that I really need to sell. They both ride and drive; one is safe for just about anyone to ride, the other has been shown quite extensively in harness. Neither one has been used more than a handful of times in the last 5 years. Both are sound and healthy, but just out to pasture because I have no place to keep where I can use them. I've got them listed at 4500 and 3000 but I'll make someone a good deal if they'd like to have them both. I also have a nearly new Smucker's pairs harness that can be sold either with the mares or separately. If anyone is interested you can email me privately at fjord...@aol.com. Please understand that I need to SELL them, I'm not interested in free leasing them. Thanks. Amy Evers Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Stallions and mares
This message is from: Phillip Odden n...@centurytel.net Hello from Phillip Odden in Northwestern Wisconsin where it has come time to fire the kitchen wood burner as fall moves closer to winter. The NFHR evaluation program is not meant only to select stallions. It seems that it takes two to tango. Mare selection is perhaps more important than stallion selection. I have heard many experienced horseman say that the mare contributes 60%. That would be 50% genetics and an added percentage in nurturing the foal. Ruthie wrote; I agree that it is an effective way to choose particular bloodlines-- but therein lies the detriment for the breed as a whole in the long term. Consistently selecting the same bloodlines for their phenotype will eventually screw up their genotype, to put it simply. Ruthie has a good point here especially since there are fewer and fewer foals being born each year in North America as well as Norway and other countries. Since horses are not culled these days like beef or dairy cattle for conformation defects and natural predators and harsh weather does not cull weak individuals these days, it is up to people who breed Fjord horses to attempt to breed individuals that conform to breed standards with regard to breed characteristics, leg, bone and muscle quality and not least of all temperament and trainability. Since there are no perfect horses ( unless one is unable to evaluate strengths and faults ) we are forced to choose the faults or strengths that one can live with in a horse. The NFHR evaluation system offers a tool, that is is to say a group of trained evaluators and a set of tests that will help to identify how well an individual Fjord conforms to breed standards. With the knowledge you receive through the evaluation process you are free do just as you please. In North America we are free to improve or ruin a breed on our own - one breeding at a time. Whereas in most European countries Stallions must be licensed and mares need to be evaluated in order that the foals can be registered. My goal is to improve the Fjord horse- human relationship through education. I am not pushing my stallion. Having bred outside mares for several years, I no longer invite outside mares. I don't have time to breed outside mares now that we are leading our Rural Life tours to Norway, Sweden and Iceland. And I am breeding very few of my own mares. I have selected a stallion and mares with considerations to form and function. When we are not traveling overseas we enjoy competing our Fjords in open shows through American Driving Society sponsored Combined Driving Events and Pleasure Driving. We use our Fjords for light draft work on our farm and for trail riding and hunting. In short we are putting our selection process, breeding program and training program to the test through use. Form and function. If horses are well bred they should remain sound and be trainable. If people learn more about form and function together with good handling and training methods both the horse and the horse handler will be happier. That is what the NFHR evaluation program has to offer. Horses aren't perfect, people aren't perfect and the evaluation program isn't perfect. We just keep working to improve. The more you learn, the more you find there is to learn. All the best, Phillip Odden Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
RE: Team of Fjord Mares for sale
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com could someone send this information on to Steve Wood...in Minnesota he is a driving trainer and works with lots of teams and folks who like working with teams the fjords on the MN Hooved Animal Rescue do appear to be from the Korsvig farm in South Dakota.. Linda in WI..nice day today To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Team of Fjord Mares for sale From: morrisshado...@aol.com Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 15:34:54 -0400 This message is from: Bonnie Morris morrisshado...@aol.com I have acquired a lovely team of older Fjord mares. They are more the drafty type.Have not done much in the last couple of years. They have been used as a team, pulling a chuck wagon, farm equipment. They are very laid back , great manners, in excellent health. I have them for sale. They come with their team harness (in very good condition) all stainless steel hames and fittings includes collars. If you would like to know more please e-mail off list. morrisshado...@aol.com Bonnie Morris Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: OT -- unwanted thoroughbred mares, advice pls.
This message is from: Mary Ofjord ma...@boreal.org DeeAnna - the only horse rescue I know of in Minnesota is the Minnesota Hooved Animal Rescue located in Zimmerman. They can be accessed at: http://www.mnhoovedanimalrescue.org/ Good luck. Mary O. (who is going to Duluth today to see Buck) Grand Marais, MN - Original Message - From: coy...@acrec.com To: Fjordhorse list fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:50 AM Subject: OT -- unwanted thoroughbred mares, advice pls. This message is from: coy...@acrec.com coy...@acrec.com An acquaintance who lives near Rochester, Minnesota, has told me about 25 unwanted younger registered Thoroughbred brood mares. The owners are planning to sell these horses for slaughter if they cannot find an quick way to pass them on someone else. According to my acquaintance, the owners are willing to give the horses away. The original owner died, and the kids apparently just want to get rid of them. Does anyone know of a reputable horse rescue or other horse group in southern MN that could be of help? Or other concrete ideas I can pass on that might be helpful to the owners to find reasonable homes for these horses? Please, I don't want this topic to turn into an emotional judgmental wrangle. Basic, concrete information will be greatly appreciated. Thank you all. --DeeAnna Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6353 (20110805) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6353 (20110805) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Mares for sale
This message is from: Shannon Kaplan kaplank...@hotmail.com Chehalem Mountain Therapy Riding Center Inc has a couple of mares for sale more details about them can be found on dreamhorse or by emailing me privately. CMR Mista is a favorite here. She is a brown dun, was born here on the ranch and is 9 this year. Very smooth trot, easy canter. Has worked intermediate riding lessons and day camps and has been on various trail rides. Ljufvina is very forward moving. She is a brown dun, will be 10 this year and needs a confident rider. If you earn her respect she will give you the world. She too has worked day camps and been on various trail rides on and off the ranch. Britlese is an awesome 4 year old. Grey dun and eager to learn. There is one week left for the raffle for our Erlend daughter CMR Nikolina. Raffle is on March 26th at 4pm pacific time. Tickets are $10 each or $25 for three and can be purchased online at www.horsebacktherapy.com/useful-informationraffle.html . Raffle rules canalso be found on this page. Winner assumes lifetime responsibility. We can also be found on facebook at www.facebook.com/ChehalemMountainTherapyRidingCenterInc Shannon Kaplan Executive Director Chehalem Mountain Therapy Riding Center Inc direc...@horsebacktherapy.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Breeding mature mares
This message is from: Curtis cepi...@yahoo.com Hi, In regards to breeding older mares. The first year that Sue Giargiari used a mare and foal at Equitana, the mare was Saskia and the foal was Felicity's Tobyn. Saskia was imported from Holland and was 25 when she had Tobyn. Saskia had 4 foals born in the US, and the foal prior to Tobyn was born 4 years earlier. Sue used Stella the second year of Fjords at Equitana. Another older mare and foal story is Braggen and OH Wynn. Julia Will owned Braggen and bred her to her stallion Flotren. Braggen was 20 when she had Wynn, and she had 8 foals before him. All of Braggen's foals were pretty close together. An artery ruptured in her uterine during Wynn's foaling and she died. (Julia found a mare at Cornell that had lost her foal that same morning, so Wynn was nursed by a Quarter Horse, which means that he probably does a real good sliding stop. LOL) Another older mare story is happier. FG Lakita is now 24 and working on her 13th foal (not all of them have been registered yet.) There are two scenarios that several vets have told me that you should avoid when breeding older mares. Some of this maybe more based on breeding traditions than research. 1) Do not breed a mare older than 20 that has not had a foal before. The mare's body may be too old to carry the foal to full term. 2) The uterine wall is weaken every time a foal is carried. So, older mares that have had a lot of foals are more prone to die during foaling. There are successful exceptions to both these scenarios. Patty Jo is correct, normally the mare's first foal is smaller than the rest. There are occasional exceptions to that rule also. In my opinion and experience, breeding a mare over 20 is OK if the mare has had foals every three or four years in her teens. Take care! Curt Pierce Mathias, WV http://www.deepcreekfarm.com/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Breeding older mares
This message is from: morrisshado...@aol.com Horses are not humans and their reproductive system is not the same. Just google horses mare reproduction and you will find out all sorts of researched factual information on them. Genetic defects don't come from age, but DNA they don't have the same risks and issues as humans. Here is one link http://www.equine-reproduction.com/articles/myths.shtml . There are many more. Just do some research on the topic it is very interesting. I do have a few horses born of old parents and they are of excellent quality. Sometimes it is is worth the efforts for an exceptional bloodline. I leased an expensive older warmblood mare and got a wonderful foal. That is how many breeders get a start is with older mares that have had and outstanding show or race career that carry great breeding lines, but are now affordable, because of age, but still can produce several foals. Bonnie Morris Western WA Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
breeding older mares
This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net I know that I've heard stories of older mares getting bred, pasture bred, even happening with juvenile studs, not thinking they themselves were old enough to breed. I'm not against breeding though seems with so many out there needing homes, one would or should have good reason to breed. An older mare that one has loved dearly and the owner intends to keep the youngster for themselves, and keep mom so she can live her senior years in comfort and at the home she knows. Its such hard times out there, I know many responsible breeders have cut their breeding programs back or put off for a year or so, spending more time on working/training the young ones they have. It does seem to me I'm not seeing so many listed for sale, the fjords here on the list. But maybe that will change come spring, early summer, when last years are ready to find new homes or new ones born this year. My own Ambers mom I think might have been up in years, I'd have to look back at her papers. One I'd placed had a foal at just over 20yrs. of age I think, her first. Good luck with what you decide. Debby in br cold Texas Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: breeding older mares
This message is from: Linda Lottie horselo...@hotmail.com Debby...wise words on this cold Saturday morning in WI. My fjord mare is 15 - she is our darling and I would love to have another foal from her. However, I will not. My daughter owns her 8 year old son.and at my age (nearing ss), bringing a foal into my herd seems selfish. I have plenty of horses to work with and enjoy. There are plenty of nice foals available for purchase if I wanted a new fjord Still, I love this mare so much and she is such a wonderful mother.has nice babies, with her good qualities. So, instead, I choose to find joy in the memories of the birth of her son and really love watching my daughter love and enjoy owning him. If my daughter showed interest in expanding her horse numbers I might be tempted to breed my mare.but, one horse is enough for a busy veterinarian with a full and multi-facted life. Linda in WIowner of two fjords, Sven (24) and Lena (15) From: miss.am...@earthlink.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: breeding older mares Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 08:58:44 -0600 This message is from: Debby miss.am...@earthlink.net I know that I've heard stories of older mares getting bred, pasture bred, even happening with juvenile studs, not thinking they themselves were old enough to breed. I'm not against breeding though seems with so many out there needing homes, one would or should have good reason to breed. An older mare that one has loved dearly and the owner intends to keep the youngster for themselves, and keep mom so she can live her senior years in comfort and at the home she knows. Its such hard times out there, I know many responsible breeders have cut their breeding programs back or put off for a year or so, spending more time on working/training the young ones they have. It does seem to me I'm not seeing so many listed for sale, the fjords here on the list. But maybe that will change come spring, early summer, when last years are ready to find new homes or new ones born this year. My own Ambers mom I think might have been up in years, I'd have to look back at her papers. One I'd placed had a foal at just over 20yrs. of age I think, her first. Good luck with what you decide. Debby in br cold Texas Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Breeding mature mares
This message is from: Amy Evers fjord...@aol.com I had a mare that had her last two foals at 22 24 with no problems. I also personally know of several other mares that were still happily raising foals in their mid 20s. As long as the mare is healthy and you provide proper care and feed there should be no reason not to breed her at 19. Do get her checked by your vet for breeding soundness if you have any doubts. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Breeding mature mares
This message is from: Lcforward lcforw...@aol.com From Amy: As long as the mare is healthy and you provide proper care and feed there should be no reason not to breed her at 19. Just wondering, would this still hold true if this breeding would be the first pregnancy for this older mare? Linda - TX = Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Breeding mature mares
This message is from: Amy Evers fjord...@aol.com Just wondering, would this still hold true if this breeding would be the first pregnancy for this older mare? Don't know why not...As I said, you may want to have your vet check her for breeding soundness first, but I have bred teenaged mares for the first time quite a few times when I raised QH's. Fjords shouldn't be much different. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Cottage Grove OR 97424 Important FjordHorse List Links: ubscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e H-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw lassified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Breeding mature mares
This message is from: jerry jf...@com-pair.net Subject: Re: Breeding mature mares I personally would not buy a foal that was from an older mare and stallion. I see horses a lot like humans, health wise. There is new research out there that says humans should not have babies after about age 40-45 years. [This applies to both male and female] [I hear children born from older humans have a higher rate of mental disorders] So, how old in regards to a horse??? I don't know,,, maybe 15-16 years? Laugh if you want to. Jerry, in N. Ca. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fw: Breeding mature mares
This message is from: jerry jf...@com-pair.net - From: jerry jf...@com-pair.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Breeding mature mares Subject: Re: Breeding mature mares I personally would not buy a foal that was from an older mare and stallion. I see horses a lot like humans, health wise. There is new research out there that says humans should not have babies after about age 40-45 years. [This applies to both male and female] [I hear children born from older humans have a higher rate of mental disorders] So, how old in regards to a horse??? I don't know,,, maybe 15-16 years? Laugh if you want to. Jerry, in N. Ca. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Breeding Question: Stallions or Mares
This message is from: Robin Holland robin.holl...@murraystate.edu Dear Fjord Digest, In addition to our study on the inheritance of white markings in the Fjord, we are also looking at the Fjord pedigree/population as a whole. Being the Fjord breed has such an excellent record of pedigrees, it is ideal for looking at population genetics. As we are interested in looking at the Fjord population from a broader perspective, we wanted to begin by obtaining some incite from Fjord breeders/owners. In your own opinion, which do you feel more attention/emphasis should be placed on when making breeding decisions, the stallion or the mare? You are more than welcome to reply to us directly, either at my email (robin.holl...@murraystate.edu) or the professor I am working with (everett.we...@murraystate.edu), or if you would like to discuss the topic reply here on the digest. We would just like to have a feel for how different people who work with Fjords feel about the roles stallions and mares play in breeding decisions. Thanks you so much! Happy Fjording! :) -- Robin L Holland 8510 Springer College Murray KY, 42071 570-234-4904 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Mares
This message is from: foxxri...@aol.com Interestingly, my mare Zinske, also a Marnix daughter and seven years old is far and away the most oral of all my mares. She does not bite buts loves to have something soft in her mouth and will happily gum on lead ropes, cross ties or my shirt...whatever is available and she licks as wellespecially likes to lick the back of my hands. She does not damage what she gums on, just rolls it around in her mouth Her personality is awesome..gentle, smart and she is a delight to work with so I've not made an issue out of trying to stop her and if I growl at her she will drop whatever she has in her mouth. I have watched to see if her 3 year old daughter does the same but so far only Zinske is the licker Sheila T Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Two mares for sale in CT phone/cell info.
This message is from: Vanessa N. Weber kenjock...@cshore.com My cell number is 860 961 9993. My email address is kenjock...@cshore.com. Vanessa -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of Vanessa N. Weber Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:12 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Two mares for sale in CT This message is from: Vanessa N. Weber kenjock...@cshore.com I have two mares for sale. The first is Stella V, (1999, Lynild I x SF Greta). This 14 hand mare is fun to ride. She came to us from Nova Scotia as a 6 year old and was used as a school horse at an eventing oriented barn. Stella enjoys jumping and could be used for trail riding, lower level eventing and hunter pacing. She can be a bit marish at times around other horses, but is otherwise a safe horse who likes people. My then, 10 year old daughter, rode her and liked her. I would like $5,000 for her but would consider lower offers to the right home. The second is Los Trigos Zipper, (2003, King Gjestar X Mira). Born in Santa Fe, this 3' 3 mare has lovely ground manners, loads, clips, stands and has had some riding training. Zipper is a special needs mare. She came to me when my aunt died, as a 2 year old. She has been trained by a professional trainer for some time. Zipper is incredibly sweet but is not a competitive riding prospect. We think that she would be a lovely, low key driving prospect if she was trained. There are very few driving opportunities here in Connecticut. I would like $2,000 for her but would consider lower offers to the right home. Vanessa N Weber Kenjockety 546 Stevenstown Rd Westbrook, CT 06498 Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Two mares for sale in CT
This message is from: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net The second is Los Trigos Zipper, (2003, King Gjestar X Mira). Born in Santa Fe, this 3' 3 mare has lovely ground manners, loads, clips, stands and has had some riding training. Vanessa EITHER this mare's size is a typo, or she is my dream come true? =) Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Two mares for sale in CT
This message is from: jern...@mosquitonet.com I'll bet she meant 13h 3. Otherwise she is 9h-3 ! A real Fjord pony! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where golden leaves are at their peak...65 degrees. A record warm September! Born in Santa Fe, this 3' 3 mare has lovely ground manners, loads, clips, stands and has had some riding training. Vanessa EITHER this mare's size is a typo, or she is my dream come true? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Two mares for sale in CT
This message is from: Vanessa N. Weber kenjock...@cshore.com That's very funny! It's 13' 3. Sorry folks! ;-) Vanessa -Original Message- From: owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com [mailto:owner-fjordho...@angus.mystery.com] On Behalf Of ruth bushnell Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 1:50 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Two mares for sale in CT This message is from: ruth bushnell fjo...@frontiernet.net The second is Los Trigos Zipper, (2003, King Gjestar X Mira). Born in Santa Fe, this 3' 3 mare has lovely ground manners, loads, clips, stands and has had some riding training. Vanessa EITHER this mare's size is a typo, or she is my dream come true? =) Ruthie, nw mt US Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Fjord Mares and Grown Offspring
This message is from: Amy Evers fjord...@aol.com Can a stallion who has always lived alone and be hand bred learn to live with other horses ... Absolutely, in most cases. I had a stallion who had lived alone until age 7, he ended up being one of the very best babysitters for weanlings I have ever had or seen. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Cottage Grove OR Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Thanks for sharing re mares and grown offspring
This message is from: Lori Lemley lori.lem...@gmail.com What a wonderful resource! I asked because I am working with a trainer who, about 10 yrs ago, was thrown, attacked and nearly killed by a mare (not Fjord) who's filly had called to her from another part of the farm. So the trainer understandably has reservations about mother/daughter pairs (which I have). The trainer has not encouraged me to replace one of my pair, but she has said it could always be an issue; just be aware of it. But her experience with Fjords is limited, so I wanted to hear what the list had to say. Got a lot of private responses in addition to the ones here. Thanks again, Lori Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Thanks for sharing re mares and grown offspring
This message is from: fjo...@hughes.net Your are welcome. Our stallions lived together... yes they have their moments... but with the proper room to run and get away... they finally decided who was the top dog and who was not. One year I was able to place 2 stallions, 5 geldings and 6 mares and some odd foals all in one field... I really think they enjoyed it... they all knew their roll and no one stepped over the line... Guess who ruled the pasture? ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... The foals! ... They had Mom's and Dad's running around after them all the time... remind you of anything? Catherine Lassesen fjo...@hughes.net 1-541-825-3027 Southern Oregon www.Hestehaven.com www.NorwegianBuhund.us Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fjord Mares and Grown Offspring
This message is from: Lori Lemley lori.lem...@gmail.com I'd like to hear your experiences on this subject: how many of you keep your Fjord mares and grown offspring together. Do you work them together? Do you work them separately? Will they work well both ways? Is it more of an issue to work them separately than it is to work unrelated Fjords separately? Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Fwd: Two nice mares for sale
This message is from: Jon Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] My neighbor has asked that I post this to the Fjord horse list. He has two nice Fjord mares for sale; Fawn Creek Lillehammer (Danser/HostarXAstrid) and Fawn Creek Shira (Danser/HostarXSiri II) the mares are 9 and 10 years old.Both have been trained to ride and drive, but have not been used is the past couple of years. Their owner has passed away and the family would like to see them go to another home where they can be used. If anyone would like pictures or want to know the price please contact me for pictures and contact Ben Woltmann @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for pricing. This a nice looking pair of mares, and they can be sold separately or together. Price is negotiable. Jon Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords www.northcoastfjords.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Mares code of horror
This message is from: Misha Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] PEG SHHH you are so so bad. I am about to have two foals here and I know this drill all too well. You say okay these mares are due to foal out at least a month apart. Oh no way--one goes on the latest edge of safe and the other on the earliest edge of safe and they pop out nearly simultaneously. OR the ultrasound game. This mare is def NOT pg. Okay you breed her again one month later. However, as the due date comes for when the first breeding takes place you re like--hmmm. She looks rather large. Oh SURE she was pg after all and as you are casually going out to feed you see a baby on the ground. Quite Large and boistersous and OBVIOUSLY not early. Actually in my case this foal was as large as the ones that were already two weeks old and I thought--OMG such and such the foal can't walk he is staggering all over the place but wait a second--that's a newborn. Love it hate it I gotta quit someday! Misha of Shota Fjords expecting foals from Maia and Jovan and Evy and Soren. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Mares code of horror
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Misha - Thos girls are s clever I can hardly wait to see the first Soren babies! Grandma Peg - Original Message - From: Misha Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Mares code of horror This message is from: Misha Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] PEG SHHH you are so so bad. I am about to have two foals here and I know this drill all too well. You say okay these mares are due to foal out at least a month apart. Oh no way--one goes on the latest edge of safe and the other on the earliest edge of safe and they pop out nearly simultaneously. OR the ultrasound game. This mare is def NOT pg. Okay you breed her again one month later. However, as the due date comes for when the first breeding takes place you re like--hmmm. She looks rather large. Oh SURE she was pg after all and as you are casually going out to feed you see a baby on the ground. Quite Large and boistersous and OBVIOUSLY not early. Actually in my case this foal was as large as the ones that were already two weeks old and I thought--OMG such and such the foal can't walk he is staggering all over the place but wait a second--that's a newborn. Love it hate it I gotta quit someday! Misha of Shota Fjords expecting foals from Maia and Jovan and Evy and Soren. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fw: Mares Code of Honor!!!
This message is from: Douglas Knutsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, This just came in from a horsie neighbor... Enjoy, Peg Peg Knutsen www.fairpoint.net/~kffjord/ - --- mare's secret code of honor The mare's secret code of honor is as old as horses themselves and is ultimately the species best kept secret. No mare shall ever produce a foal before it's time. (It's time being determined by the following factors): 1. No foal shall be born until total chaos has been reached by all involved. Your house must be a wreck, your family hungry and desperate for clean clothes, and your social life nonexistent. 2. Midwives must reach the babbling fool status before you foal out. Bloodshot eyes, tangled hair and the inability to form a sentence mean you're getting close. 3. For every bell, beeper, camera or whistle they attach to you, foaling must be delayed by at least one day for each item. 4. Vet check, add a day, internal add three. If you hear the words, She's nowhere near ready. You'll be fine while I'm away for the weekend, Wait 12 to 16 hours and pop that baby out! 5. Owner stress must be at an all time high! If you are in the care of someone else, ten to fifteen phone calls a day is a sign you're getting close. When you hear the words I can't take it anymore! wait three days and produce a foal. 6. You must keep this waiting game interesting. False alarms are necessary! Little teasers such as looking at your stomach, pushing your food around in the bucket and then walking away from it are always good for a rise. Be creative and find new things to do to keep the adrenaline pumping in those who wait. 7. The honor of all horses is now in your hands. Use this time to avenge all of your stable mates. Think about your friend who had to wear that silly costume in front of those people. Hang onto that baby for another day. OH, they made him do tricks too! Three more days seems fair. Late feedings, the dreaded diet, bad haircuts, those awful wormings can also be avenged at this time. 8. If you have fulfilled all of the above and are still not sure when to have this foal, listen to the weather forecast on the radio that has been so generously provided by those who wait. Severe storm warning is what you're waiting for. In the heart of the storm jump into action! The power could go out and you could have the last laugh. You have a good chance of those who wait missing the whole thing while searching for a flashlight that works! 9. Make the most of your interrupted nights. Beg for food each time Someone comes into the stable to check you. Your stable mates will love you as the extra goodies fall their way too. 10. Remember, this code of honor was designed to remind man of how Truly special horses are. Do your best to reward those who wait with a Beautiful filly to carry on the mare code of honor for the next generation of those who wait! - - - --- The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re:Shota Mares:
This message is from: Misha Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Patty for giving such a warm and loving home to our two retired girls. As we all know--older Fjords can have a lot of pep and many long useful years ahead--just look at those girls who recently passed their evaluations in their 20's. At my farm they were blasting around the pasture like two year olds but they were definitely bored with retirement. Since I am downsizing anyway due to bad knees--I was looking for a home where they would have a job and also be loved and appreciated for who they are--very special ladies. They are Quad L's Aubrey by Rudaren and out of Trixie and Quad L's Christina by Rustin. I purchased these girls from Gene Crandall some 14 years ago and it was very hard to let them go. So I feel so lucky that they are at home with Patty. Still looking for a home for Two Rivers Maia a 14.2 hh 14 year old broodmare par excellence who is a total sweetie pie and a very lovely mare. Maia is due to foal in March and she was bred to Woodland's Jovan. Thanks Misha of Shota Fjords in Eastern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
mares and geldings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not everyone separates mares and geldings. It has not been my experience that it is a problem one way or the other, though I know people who do that. I think more importantly is how Alpha a horse thinks he or she is. If they think they should be top dog, so to speak, there will be h*ll to pay until everyone else realizes that too. When you get two of these personalities together, that is when you have real problems. When I introduced a new 7 year old mare to a 3 year old bottom of the pecking order mare, the younger mare mounted the older mare. Then the new mare proceeded to corner and seriously kick the younger mare. If I had not been there I am sure she would have been killed. This is after a couple of weeks of introducing them over fences, stalls, etc. The older mare thinks she is the big kahuna, and so she is. I then kept her separated, thinking it would be forever, because the other horse involved, an older Morgan gelding, also thought he was #1. So I did not want him involved. One day I came home from work and they had broken down 4 oak boards between them and were all in together in the pasture. They were, by this time, calm and no one was hurt. I figured this was their gift to me, that I did not have to see it happen, and I have turned the three of them out together for the past 3 years and everyone now knows where they stand and so far so good. Valerie Columbia, CT The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: working with mares
This message is from: Tanya Manser [EMAIL PROTECTED] I expect the mare will be a hit with both geldings :) If there is any problem it might be because she becomes over popular, or the two geldings might compete for her favour (and so she may defend herself). But if the geldings are both placid - or if one ranks significantly higher than the other, then I suspect it won't be a problem. It should settle down quite quickly. Can you run the mare alongside the geldings to get them used to each other for a week or so first? Then introduce one gelding to the mare for a day or two. Then put all 3 in together? I have 5 mares (3 Fjords) and one gelding (Fjord) in a herd. The mares are no problem at all! They are certainly not 'mareish'. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: working with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Amen!! Geldings can be just as possesive of mares as a stallion. No one really told them that they can't anymore!! Sharon Abbott ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: working with mares
This message is from: Robin Churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have 2 geldings and a mare who are the only horses on my property. One of the geldings and the mare are fjords and the other gelding is a Hanovarian. The problem I have is that when the mare goes into heat, the fjord gelding has tried to mount her and the two gelding bicker and the Hanovarian has bitten the fjord gelding rather severely at times. I put the mare on Regumate and haven't had any problems after that. I don't have a good set-up for separating them, although I suppose I could but it is just more work for me. The other issue is that the two fjords adore each other and I don't want my gelding kicked if he should try again to mount her again. I have thought about selling the mare but the gelding just is so depressed when I take her away. Robin --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From the quote below that I just found on a trainer's web site, I think I have things backward. I was expecting the problem to be aggression from the mare. If this comment is correct, if aggression occurs, it is likely to be from the gelding(s). Does your experience agree with this comment? If so, my question about putting her in with my geldings is answered. LF (This is a reply to a person whose gelding aggressively attacked a new mare brought to his farm.) Your gelding's behaviour isn't a reflection on you, or your farm (which sounds very nice to me!) but it IS a fairly typical illustration of why not to put mares and geldings in the same pasture. Although the introduction was far too quick, from your description, I don't think that was the problem - it's the basic mix-and-match idea that's at fault. At good barns where safety is a priority, you won't find mares mixing with geldings. There will be a mare pasture and a gelding pasture - end of story. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
working with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am considering adding a mare to my herd of 2 geldings. Does it take different techniques or understandings to work successfully with a mare? I would appreciate any suggestions. Also, when introducing her to the horses at the stable where I board, I would prefer to keep my own small herd together in their own paddock. Realistically, should I expect to try several combinations before I find the one where she fits in best even if it is not with my other horses? Maybe I am being unnecessarily concerned about mare-ishness. Thanks, Linda ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: working with mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From the quote below that I just found on a trainer's web site, I think I have things backward. I was expecting the problem to be aggression from the mare. If this comment is correct, if aggression occurs, it is likely to be from the gelding(s). Does your experience agree with this comment? If so, my question about putting her in with my geldings is answered. LF (This is a reply to a person whose gelding aggressively attacked a new mare brought to his farm.) Your gelding's behaviour isn't a reflection on you, or your farm (which sounds very nice to me!) but it IS a fairly typical illustration of why not to put mares and geldings in the same pasture. Although the introduction was far too quick, from your description, I don't think that was the problem - it's the basic mix-and-match idea that's at fault. At good barns where safety is a priority, you won't find mares mixing with geldings. There will be a mare pasture and a gelding pasture - end of story. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Two great mares for sale
This message is from: Pat Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear List, A very sad thing happened, I just came back from a clients home. Jill and Steve Chesler, clients and friends of mine who bought two very good mares through me a year and a half ago. Jill's husband Steve was mowing along a roadway to their farm and rolled the lawnmower onto himself, He died immediately. Jill cannot take care of the horses and will eventually move in with a son of hers. She has asked me to find homes for both mares. The mares: Reterra Alida was trained by Tyler Schlickman - and he did an absolutely FANTASTIC training job on her - she was part of his team that he did weddings with and he and them were actually in the Thanksgiving Day parade in downtown Chicago. Alida is 17 years young. She rides and drives, single and as a team. She is 100% honest, calm cool and great to handle and be around on the ground. She is a King Harald and Anvil's Torbjorn - Rudaren. Brown dun 14-1If anyone needs a confidence builder SHE is the one. She trail rides, anyone can ride her - The Pine's Dokka is the other one - a daughter of Alida - by Fair Acre's Sven by Orrjo. She also drives single or double, her riding is very nice, walk.trot, canter and has laterals too! She was trained by Jessica Katzman and Tyler. Jessica showed her at Blue Earth the year before last and last year she was shown by Keelie Finnel. Dokka is bred to our stallion Wood's Sven - a Silver Medallion of Quality - earned at the Winona/25th Anniversary Evaluation - Wood's son, Holden won the weanling/yearling colt class this year at Blue Earth. Wood's is a dark brown dun and has very good, calm disposition. Both horses have had excellent care - kept up on worming, vaccinations, farrier and given daily and very loving attention. Last winter they boarded at my place where I tuned them up for them - rode them separately and again took excellent care of them. Do not discard Alida due to her 17 year age.She looks great, is in great shape and is one heck of a honest mare. Buying them together is the best idea as they have been together all along - but they could go separately. When Jill Steve first contacted me about finding horses for them - they were new to the breed and Jill hadn't been around horses since younghood - I wanted to find two very well trained/bomb proof horses for them - I found them thru Tyler and Dawn Schlickman - both horses are what this breed is known for, usually they are hard to find because no one wants to let them go - this is an odd and sad situation - Contact me privately regarding prices at this time I do not know what she will be letting them go for, and considering the circumstances I didnot ask - she is overwhelmed right now, but wanted me to start working on finding homes for them . Pat Holland The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
CONSIGNMENT FJORD MARES IN MONTANA
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings list... WE have a very nice pair of fjord mares available on consignment. Pine Rivers Jenna C-2419 and Pine Rivers Vicci C-2422 are 7and 6 year old mares originally from the Mitchells in Rose Prairie, BC. They are shorter, currently rounder mares with cute little heads and a beautiful eye, and nearly an identical match in many ways. They are SOLID, sound, healthy, and current on vaccinations, trims, worming, and just TODAY had blood pulled for COGGINS AND HEALTH certificates!!! They ride and have been here for driving training as well. They have not been driven out together yet. If you, or someone you know may be looking for a nice pair of WELL matched mares, please contact us for more information, pictures, and price(s). thanks! Wendy at Sunnyside Clyde Park, MT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 406-223-6933 ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: CONSIGNMENT FJORD MARES IN MONTANA
This message is from: Carol Pastore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Can you send me the price and pics? Thank You Carol Pastore, Director Challenge Colorado Therapeutic Riding Program 0536 Swede Lane Monte Vista, Colorado 81144 ~Speech Pathologist~ ~NARHA Instructor~ ~NARHA Registered Therapist ~ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: CONSIGNMENT FJORD MARES IN MONTANA Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:06:13 EDT This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greetings list... WE have a very nice pair of fjord mares available on consignment. Pine Rivers Jenna C-2419 and Pine Rivers Vicci C-2422 are 7and 6 year old mares originally from the Mitchells in Rose Prairie, BC. They are shorter, currently rounder mares with cute little heads and a beautiful eye, and nearly an identical match in many ways. They are SOLID, sound, healthy, and current on vaccinations, trims, worming, and just TODAY had blood pulled for COGGINS AND HEALTH certificates!!! They ride and have been here for driving training as well. They have not been driven out together yet. If you, or someone you know may be looking for a nice pair of WELL matched mares, please contact us for more information, pictures, and price(s). thanks! Wendy at Sunnyside Clyde Park, MT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) 406-223-6933 ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw _ http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtextlinkjuly07 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Mares in season
This message is from: Bonnie Ehlers [EMAIL PROTECTED] I usually just lurch, but the comments about mares brought back some dear memories of our old mare Berte. We bought her when she was 18 maybe bred. She had a filly for us the next Aug. and consequently over the next 6 yrs four more foals. It was so easy to predict when she was ready. If she was in the pasture and her head was up, not grazingshe was in. Except for one year she settled the first time with live cover and A-I. One year she settled, but the foal didn't survive the delivery. Bonnie in Nebraska The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: MARES
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that you have either experienced or been told about mares acting badly when in heat. Since we got into the Fjord breed over 15 years ago now, this issue has basically been a non-issue. Not to say that NO Fjord mare does not have hormonal moments, but that for the most part, the beast-on-wheels when in season mares left us when every other breed walked down our driveway. I found this topic to be very interesting. My first horse, my old Fjord mare, Nansy, was basically the same animal every day---no hints as to when she was in heat. I had figured that it was a part of her being a poor breeder---Jim and Nancy Clow had only managed to get one foal from her in many years of trying, via different methods, with different stallions, etc (she was 17 when I bought her). However, since Nansy was usually open, that meant that she got a lot of time and mileage, hence became the beginner's horse that I needed. Yes, she could be an opinionated old bat (and we told her so!) on occasion, but it usually took the form of her telling us, No, idiot, that's not the way to do that!, and she was usually right. My only other experience with female equines was/is with my pinto jenny, Shadow. When in heat, she'll mouthe, wink, squeal at the Fjord geldings or at me, refuse to do things on general principles, and generally earn her nickname of Brat. Shadow got so bad that, around age 5, her vet put her on OvaBan, to keep her from coming in heat; that allowed her to keep her mind on her training, vs her body. Nansy was a refreshing change from that attitude! I'm glad to hear that it's more widespread in Fjords. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: using mares?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: kate charboneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 14, 2007 2:03 pm Subject: using mares? To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com I have all mares except for my stallion. I use them for everything. Jill, my senior mare has been used on group rides, driving and on an oregon trail reenactment with her colt in tow. She does team sorting, arena work, and weddings. I have not had any problems with her cycles, however, in fairness, she has been pregnant much of the time. This message is from: kate charboneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are any of you using mares for any kind of public events like shows, county fairs, large group trail rides, etc?� How does your mare do with her moods and cycles?� Do any of you use something like Regu- Mate?� Or a marble?� How well do those or other things work to suppress her cycle?�And will she be as steady and dependable as a gelding then?� Thanks!! - --- Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!� The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: using mares?
This message is from: Nan Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kate, I don't know if you are allowed to talk about other breeds on this site, but I have used Regumate for a couple of quarter horse mares I had while I was participating in the sport of reining. I can tell you it really worked to focus them more, and calm them down. So far with my new little Norwegian, I don't have to think about it, and I don't intend to use her in competition - so far. Nan Newton McLeod, MT 59052 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: using mares?
This message is from: Lori Lemley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have only 2 horses, both Fjord mares. The older one I do large group trail rides, parades, etc. She is fine around other horses, studs included, not mareish at all, very steady. I've never used any sort of cycle regulation on her. Her daughter is just now 3, but goes where we do; I pony her from her mother's back. She has recently shown an inclination to kick at horses that come up behind her quickly. We will work through that and I expect she'll be just as dependable as her dam with time. Lori Lemley Little Rock, AR The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE:using mares
This message is from: Ardeth Obenauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two mares I use regularly in all kinds of situation, including competitions, pleasure drives, trail riding, exhibitions, you name it. I have never had a problem with their cycles. They do behave differently in the pasture when in season, but not to me and not when they're working. I love mares. Ao Ardeth Obenauf The Lazy AO Farm Shelbyville, TN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
using mares?
This message is from: kate charboneau [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are any of you using mares for any kind of public events like shows, county fairs, large group trail rides, etc? How does your mare do with her moods and cycles? Do any of you use something like Regu-Mate? Or a marble? How well do those or other things work to suppress her cycle? And will she be as steady and dependable as a gelding then? Thanks!! Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: using mares?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kate: I have two mares that are my riding, driving, do-it-all horses. I have done shows, parades (even with a stallion in the group), performance driving, camp-outs, etc. I personally have never had a problem with my mares acting marish. I've never really had them show heat much at all - other than one stallion noticing that my filly was coming in season at one show, but there was no real problem from the mare. I have never used Regumate so can't tell you anything about how it works. Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Some Nice Mares for Sale
This message is from: Michele Noonan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone, We are dyin in the heat over here! We have had 2 weeks with no rain and over 90-106 degree temps. I wanted to post about a few horses we have offered for sale We have an older Fjord Mare, Very Big, 14.3 no sway back, no special feed, and no obvious arthritis (but you know there has to be some somewhere at that age). This mare is 24 and healthy, healthy, we still have to diet her every year! She is still very rideable, we took her out on a trail ride just last week. she needs shoes to do a lot of trail, but other than that she does great! She does like to be with other horses at this point in her life. $800 to an approved home only. WHR Tonetta, 6 years old 14 H and not a lick over. Netta Rides, English, Western and Drives, Single or Team, log skid, farm days, parades, you name it! We let our kids ride her and she has done light trail riding. We are trying to get a new video made of her, the last one we made she was VERY pregnant. We can keep her and deliver her at Moses Lake or Libby to whoever buys her. $4800.00 and If you sweet talk me I can throw in a breeding next year to our new stallion Knutsen's Fjord Soren (son of Flotren and Grandson of MVF Erlend and Soren's Dam is OH Sadie, all three blue ribbon horses)! Stay out of the heat everyone! Michele Noonan Wild Hair Ranch Stevensville, Montana The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Team of mares with foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just an FYI. Here at Hestehaven, we have a great team of mares that are being offered for sale. They both come with a 2007 foal at their side. ( one is still in the belly) Optional: A breed back to Blaamann. These are older ( 1986 1990 ) mares that have been there and done that in driving and riding. They are not open show quality for under saddle but can kick the pants off of any driving event or farm event. They work single and team. The younger is a hoot to drive. (Ask Amy Evers) If any of you went to the 2006 NW Horse Expo, these mares were there. In order to meet the demand of a changing breed program, we are doing some changes in our brood mare staff. (If you are wondering why they are for sale.) The mares are great for a beginner team driver or lady driver. They are light to the bit and are very fun to drive. They have been doing the public trail rides and driving lessons here at the farm and has received good comments from our clients. Serious inquiries only. Thanks! Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
More Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From Kathy Johnson in MN, that owns the beautiful Reidar. Copied here with permission. Hi LIsa- Thanks for doing the quiz and contract info. Anxious to see the stallion quiz now that I am on both sides. I know that I have to update my breeding contract for Reidar now that he is standing at Pat Holland's...so now both AI and live cover. You mentioned that a Sara had a great breeding contract...any possibility that you could share her name/email to I could get a copy of it? I have loved hearing of your escapades in the snowyou have a great sense of humor! When you live thru some of the things you have endured...the human spirit is amazing to see the positive!! Go girl!! 1. What is your primary goal in a breeding contract CLARIFY EXPECTATIONS...SURPRISES ARE NO FUN! 2. Does a breeding contract make or break a breeding option ? Please explan. SO FAR, I HAVE NOT HAD A WRITTEN CONTRACT FOR THE BREEDINGS ON ANY OF MY MARES...I MUST BE LUCKY THAT THINGS HAVE WORKED OUT. I HAD TWO MARES BRED TO THE SAME STALLION BY AI(2004)...WITH A VERBAL AGREEMENT A HAND SHAKE. MARE #1 DELIVERED A GREAT FILLY...AND MARE #2 CHECKED POSITIVE FOR PREGNANCY BUT REABSORBED. BASED ON THE GREAT FOAL OF MARE #1, I ASKED STALLION OWNER IF I COULD USE MARE #2'S RE-BREED ON MARE #1...HER ANSWER WAS YES (FOAL EXPECTED IN 2007)! I HAVE BEEN LUCKY...THAT THE STALLION OWNER IS AN HONEST PERSON! I WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING THE LIVE FOAL GUARANTEE. 3. How much weight does does it carry when breeding your mare(s) to a stallion located a greater distance than other available similar stallions ? ( I see alot of history in heavy regional breedings where areas of the Country(s) are flooded with specific bloodlines ) I HAVE GREAT REPRO VETS ON MY END...SO AM NOT AFRAID OF CHOOSING A STALLION IN A DIFFERENT REGION THAN MINE. I WOULD REVIEW THE CONTRACT AND CORRESPOND WITH THE VET/CLINIC PREPARING THE SEMEN FOR SHIPPING PRIOR TO NEEDING THE SPECIMEN TODAY. THE BREEDING MANAGER AT MY VET'S IS TOP NOTCH WITH REGARDS TO ASSESING THE KNOW-HOW OF THE OTHER END OF THE PROCESS. 4. Would you prefer both options of live cover AND AI, or do you ONLY breed to ( either ) live OR AI. YES I WOULD LIKE BOTH OPTIONS. DEFINITELY AI IF THE STALLION DOES NOT HAVE GOOD MANNERS...HE NEEDS TO KNOW HOW TO TEASE...NICELY!! I HAVE YOUNG MARES SO WANT A GENTLEMAN! 5. How much consideration do you give, in breeding your mares, to an Evaluated stallion, or is it not a consideration ? Please explane. EVALUATED STALLION IS DEFINITELY A PLUS...HOWEVER, A GOOD USING HORSE (BRAINS, TALENT, WORK ETHIC) WITH THE ATTRIBUTES TO COMPLIMENT MY MARE WOULD BE CONSIDERED. 6. How much consideration do you place on choosing stallions who are advertised ( Fjord Herald, National publications, local flyers ect. compared to ones who are not ? ( Some of those little seen hidden back-yard gems ! ) I WANT TO SEE ADVERTISING...otherwise HOW WOULD I KNOW HE IS OUT THERE? 7. How much consideration do you place on looking at your choice of stallion's OFFSPRING, and their accomplishments ? ( Halter, riding, driving, farm work, evaluations, dressage, open showing, ect. ) OTHER THAN GJEST, THE STALLIONS I HAVE BRED MY MARES TO ARE YOUNG AND DO NOT YET HAVE OFFSPRING THAT HAVE BIG ACCOMPLISHMENTS. GOING ON BLOODLINES. 8. Besides the stud fee, booking fee, daily mare care and vet fee's associated with getting a mare to settle and check in foal while at the stallions farm, do you also routenely do pre-vet work ( Uterine flush's, culture to rule out low grade infections, use of Lutalace to bring mares into heat cycles and folicle checks ) BEFORE sending your mare to the stallion ? MY EXPERENCE HAS BEEN PRIMARILY WITH AI-ALL HAVE BEEN SHORT-CYCLED. NO CULTURES REQUIRED PER VET. ULTRASOUNDS TO DETERMINE FOLLICLE SIZE AND TIMING. MARE#1: LIVE COVER (01), PREGNANT AFTER 2 CYCLES; AI(04), PREGNANT AFTER 2 CYCLES; AND AI(05), PREGNANT FIRST CYCLE. MARE#2: AI (04)PREGNANT AFTER 3 CYCLES, NO FOAL IN 05; AI(06)- NO PREGNANCY AFTER 2 CYCLES MARE#3: AI (06)PREGNANT AFTER 2 CYCLES MARE#4: AI (06)PREGNANT FIRST CYCLE 9. Do you always sometimesor never insure your mare for shipping and / or stay at the breeding farm ? ALL MARES ARE INSUREDALWAYS WENT SLEIGHING THE LAST TWO WEEKENDSWHAT FUN...AND THE TINKLING OF THE BELLS IS THE BEST. A FRIEND WANTED TO COME THIS WEEKEND BUT HAD TO SAY NODOUBLE-DIGIT BELOW ZERO PREDICTED. IT IS JUST NO FUN THEN!! KATHY JOHNSON WOODPECKER WOODS MONTROSE, MN The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
who cares.....mares !
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/25/2007 7:17:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As a mare and stallion owner we have been on both sides of this contract. Thank-you very much Sara ! Just FYI everyoneSara also sent me one of the best examples of a breeding contract that serves BOTH mare and stallions very well. Sara stands the beautiful MVF Karimann ( Karibu X Milli ) I love the Karibu linesof course our beautiful MVF Kariya was out of him, and our grey OH Verdig is also by the good mare, Milli. Another Karibu daughter is also now here and we will be starting her in driving training this year. Thanks for the good post ! Lisa The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
re: mares for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The full information on the mares for sale: Forden's Petra C - H - 995 - M born May 9, 1994 She's had two foals we still own one of them, they have great personalities and are gentle girls. Morgan's Trina RBM - L - 1296 - M born March 24, 1998 a story on Trina: she was a long yearling, my six yr old grandson was sitting on her holding the lead rope, his friend comes zooming in on his small four wheeler, jumps off, flings his helmet off his head, comes towards the horse holding a Pokemon catalog and hands it to my grandson. Trina sniffed the the catalog in case it might be edible. My grandson flipped through the catalog, handed it back to his friend and in all that the filly never moved a foot. I was bringing in the other horses and had let her graze in the front yard until I got back. She's never really had the individual attention she needs. Both mares ride and drive, reliable, and good strong Fjord dispositions Please email me privately. Bonnie in OR beautiful sunny day The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
mares for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the list: We have two mares in CA that are for sale. My son has them and he's working long hours and does not have any time for the horses. Petra is an older mare broke to ride (been on trail rides in the mountains) and drive; Trina is her first foal, she is broke to ride and drive. They need to be tuned up. We would not be opposed to having them separated. Pet is the one I used for tentative riders. She's a nice mare; Trina is nice too but a little more independent? She's never had individual attention and I think she would thrive on it. Please contact us here in OR: 541.962.0106 These horses have never been shown, we don't waste our time in the show ring. They've harrowed the field; spread manure; mowed with the horse drawn mower; been used on the wagon on the gravel road; and all around nice girls. We have Pet's second foal, she's a really nice mare and we use her for about everything. Bonnie La Grande OR about 5 of snow, warming temps for the rest of the week hay is in short supply around here The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: seperating mares and stud colts
This message is from: Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our experience is that you sorta want them out in the pasture running around some so they don't heal over too fast, you want the drainage. We had one close up too fast and the vet had to come out and open him back up to let him drain because he started to bulge up with fluid. We have had maybe 7 horses gelded and they all healed over fine staying out with the other horses. The vet actually said wrestling around with the other horses would be better than keeping him confined. My personal opinion is that 6 months is better than waiting till 1 year. The vets were pretty reputable, with the Wisconsin Equine Clinic. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ellen Barry Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 7:34 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: seperating mares and stud colts This message is from: Ellen Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jean, The vet won't geld him at this age. He says he's too young. Now he would prefer not to geld until a year, but I don't want to wait that long. I guess I could have him gelded then at about 6 months and then put him in the stall for a week or so so that we know he isn't going to bleed and take that opportunity to wean him. Just a thought.
Re: mares and geldings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My family has always pastured mares and geldings together with no more problems that the average single sex group. Right now here at Catherine Lassesen's place we have 3 mares with foals, two weaned foals, a 2 year old filly and 5 geldings all pastured together with out any problems. We also are boarding one mare that does not get along with any other mares, and she is currently pastured with a gelding. It really does depend on the horses themselves and how they were raised. Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords 260 May Creek Rd Days Creek, OR 97429 541-825-3303 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: mares and geldings
This message is from: Kim Nord [EMAIL PROTECTED] After turning my paint gal out with my older fjord gelding for one day, I realised she had just come into (flaming) season. Could that be the reason it looks like she knocked my poor ole guy around alittle? They seemed to do fine (ignored each other) but when I brought it I noticed poor Woody had a few hairless spots (nips) on him. Tia (my mare) has one distinct hoof print on her tushy, so I guess he told her when enough was enough. I am going to keep her separated until she goes out of season... Kim - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: Re: mares and geldings This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree that it depends on the horses. I have my Fjord mare share the non-pasture turnout with two older Appy geldings during the day. The Appys are a pair, they really prefer each other's company over her. My mare and the 'herd boss', the 1/2 blind younger one of the two, will mutually groom. But the two Appys get to graze all night, and she stays in. This has helped me a lot, as we often ride out alone and I can't have a horse that is inseparable from a herd. Also, FWIW, my mare really likes other mares and doesn't seem to get too hot and bothered over boys. Eileen in eastern WA, and Jane
Re: seperating mares and stud colts
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your Quarterhorse stud colt could possible mate with your mares before he is a year old!I would suggest you think about separating him (or gelding) by 9-10 months. My 11 month old Fjord colt was trying to mate his Mom so I called the vet to come geld him at that age. I have heard of successful mating by colts under a year of age! The younger you can geld him, the less stressful it will be for him. I think it depends on whether the testicles have both dropped. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska Hi, Together in one pasture I have: 14 yr old QH mare, 3 yr old Fjord gelding, 2 1/2 yr old Fjord mare, and a 4 month old QH stud colt. Now your story made me think: When does the stud colt have to be separated from the mares?
Re: seperating mares and stud colts
This message is from: tiakd 14477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] My neighbor had a 9 month old appaloosa colt running with his Mother and was waiting til he was another month old before having him gelded. His dam ended up getting bred and having a colt 9 months later. Our vet clinic figures 6 months is the safest if they are running with mares. That reminds me of when I purchased my first 9 month old bull who the breeder said may try but would be shooting blanks She had let her bull run with the cows and never got a cow bred before the bull was 9 months old. That little rascally bull crawled through a hole soo small in his bull pen that if I hadn't seen it I would have believed it and he took off and bred a heifer. As all the other cows I had were bred and only this heifer was open, I figured I'd leave it a couple days before separating him and putting a cow in to keep him company. 9 months later my heifer had a winter calf. ;)
Re: seperating mares and stud colts
This message is from: tiakd 14477 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am s glad nobody pointed out my silly little error. I was thinking about my heifer and my mind was in the 9 month gestation and I accidentally wrote it down for my neighbor's mare. No, she didn't have a 9 month gestation :)
Re: seperating mares and stud colts
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stud colts will jump on their moms and hump other horses (or anything they can) from just about the day they are born, it is practice that all young animals do. He is only 4 months old, you do not need to wean him at this age, you could wait until he is at least 6-7 months I think. Bull calves mature earlier than Colts! I think 4 months too early to wean, myself. IF you are worried, then get him gelded now, it will be easier on him if he is still following his mother and nursing as he will get exercise. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, sunny, 65 degrees That's a good one. Well, I'll be sure to separate him. He's only just 4 months old and he's love biting and humping my Fjord mare today. I don't know if it's something serious or just because they're so happy on account of the shower I just gave them.
RE: mares geldings
This message is from: Cynthia Madden [EMAIL PROTECTED] They should sort it out OK. I agree that letting them get use to each other over a fence is a good idea. We have had one mare and three geldings together and they get along fine. We have also had them in a larger herd situation of mixed mares geldings and after the initial sorting and snorting, they break up into little compatible groups and are perfectly happy. I always found it amusing the boss mare (and there always is one) usually fell for Pferd, Steve's Morgan. Pferd usually becomes the boss gelding. I am gonig through my own version of this with the new female Giant Schnauzer.She is definitely taking over the dogs and she and I are duking it out for pack leader. I think I am winning. -- Cynthia Madden Las Cruces, NM personal: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NFHR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/cmadden88011 My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am...
Re: mares and geldings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree that it depends on the horses. I have my Fjord mare share the non-pasture turnout with two older Appy geldings during the day. The Appys are a pair, they really prefer each other's company over her. My mare and the 'herd boss', the 1/2 blind younger one of the two, will mutually groom. But the two Appys get to graze all night, and she stays in. This has helped me a lot, as we often ride out alone and I can't have a horse that is inseparable from a herd. Also, FWIW, my mare really likes other mares and doesn't seem to get too hot and bothered over boys. Eileen in eastern WA, and Jane
Re: mares and geldings
This message is from: Sarah Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] A couple of years ago when my herd consisted of 2 large dutch warmblood geldings and 2 smallish pony mares I never let the boys and girls out together. During the week when it seemed all of San diego county was on fire, I evacated all the horses to a single pasture owned by a horseless friend. Much to my surprise all 4 of them got along quite well. So you just never know how a herd will gel until you try it. Sarah in Jamul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: I agree that it depends on the horses. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Mares for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/20/06 10:31:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This message is from: Mary love [EMAIL PROTECTED] does any one have fjords for sale in washington??? im looking to get a few mares broke or notthank you!! Hi Mary, I was just catching up on emails and noticed that you were interested in some mares. I have 3 of various ages that might be of interest to you. One is a really spectacular 7 year old mare that is broke to ride. She is sired by Majson. I also have a 3 year old filly that I am about to start training. She is sired by my gray stallion, Johan. I also have a 3 week old Dusty daughter that is really awesome and already displays a lot of her daddy's 'git up go' attitude. If you would like more info on any of these, please email me privately. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
Birth Announcement WOW! all fillies and New Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now I know why this message didn't get posted, I sent it from another email. Announcing the Arrival of Nysse born 6/20. Her Sire is WHR Elsker our 4 year old stallion and her Dam is Quad-L's Lara, our friend Sarah Nagel's mare. I can't believe Elsker threw all fillies !!! We have WHR Val Kyrie and WHR Feline (Feline will be for sale at weaning 8/17 for $1800) our daughter Mandy and son- inlaw Eric, bought ValKyrie. Sarah is keeping Nysse at this time. Little Nysse is very light red with a barely visible dorsal, just like Elsker was when he was little.(he's a gorgeous reddish brown now) the other two fillies are very dark with very prominant markings. All Three are BEAUTIFUL and Sarah is so happy to have a new baby. We have welcomed to our herd recently, Two Rivers Kare and Two Rivers Pen Jente (Penny). These two 14 year old mares are beautiful and will make very nice babies for us. Both of these mares have the Njaals - Merke on their cheeks. and lots and lots of zebra striping on their legs. I love those markings! Well I better get back to all the horse paperwork I am trying to get filled out Enjoy your summer Everyone Michele Noonan Stevensville, MT
Re: Birth Announcement WOW! all fillies and New Mares
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] My big gelding Bjorken has those Njaals-Merke on his cheeks also. His sire is Anvil's Rikolv, who I note is Kare's sire and Pen Jente's grandsire. Wonder If they get that from him? Jean in rainy Fairbanks, Alaska We have welcomed to our herd recently, Two Rivers Kare and Two Rivers Pen Jente (Penny). These two 14 year old mares are beautiful and will make very nice babies for us. Both of these mares have the Njaals - Merke on their cheeks. and lots and lots of zebra striping on their legs. I love those markings!
Re: Birth Announcement WOW! all fillies and New Mares
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michele-- Friday, June 30, 2006, you wrote: Now I know why this message didn't get posted, I sent it from another email. No, actually THIS ONE didn't get posted. The address you are currently subscribed from is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards. -- Cowboy Poetry
Doon Grade Mares REDUCED PRICE
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello All, The Doon Grade Mares listed several time on this list have been reduced to $5,000 with the foal on the side. They are Dandy's E-Bay aka Nisse and Elisie. Both foals are by Overmann out of Kariya by Blaamann. Both mares ride. Both are 6 years old. Elisie has been evaluated at the Days Creek Evaluation. She received a red in confirmation. (Check your RBII for scores.) Elisie has foaled grey in color with Overmann. Nisse's has a colt at her side. Elisie has not birthed out. Owners says that you can take the foal or not. If you do not want the foal, you need to wait until the foal is weaned before taking the mare. Owners are very willing to work with you. They need to sell. They are divorcing and moving off the farm. Papers are signed off... so there is not a problem with signatures and selling them. I am acting as an agent for both owners and have papers in hand. The horses are just waiting for new homes. Amy Evers and I will be hauling out to the Blue Earth Show at the end of July. We have room for 1-2 horses. This would be a time to share a ride and get a mare to you at driving cost verses professional hauling costs. Contact me for more information. Toll Free 800-484-5141 SOUTHERN OREGON Catherine Lassesen NEW EMAIL ADDRESS. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - starting NOW... Will remove [EMAIL PROTECTED] by May 15, 2006... Please change your address book. Thank you. Catherine Lassesen Southern Oregon, USA 1-866-484-5141 (Toll Free) Will you help me help others by sponsoring me for the Breast Cancer 3-Day walk. I will be walking 60 miles in Arizona on November 3 - 5, 2006. My goals is to raise over $5,000.00. 85% goes to the Susan G. Komen breast Cancer Foundation. 15% goes to the National Philanthropic Trust Breast Cancer Fund. Go to the link below to make a donation. Thank you! https://www.kintera.org/faf/donorReg/donorPledge.asp?ievent=131571supid=127 047049
One yearling left, 4 mares, 1 stallion
This message is from: Catherine lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, I am pleased to say that we found great homes for 5 of the yearlings from Doon Grade Ranch. We still have one yearling (colt) for sale at $1800 and 4 mares that all ride (one is in foal), which the owners are asking $6500 or BEST OFFER and one stallion (5 years old) rides and did receive a BLUE NFHR score as a weanling, they are asking $6500, also. Please go to my website www.hestehaven.com http://www.hestehaven.com/ for names so that you can look at pedigrees on the NFHR site. I can provide photos of 2 of the mares and the stallion. If you know anyone that is looking of Fjord mares please pass on this information. Thank you. We also have Fjords from Hestehaven for sale.:-) Catherine Lassesen 1-866-484-5141 (Toll Free) Will you help me help others by sponsoring me for the Breast Cancer 3-Day walk. I will be walking 60 miles in Arizona on November 3 - 5, 2006. My goals is to raise over $5,000.00. 85% goes to the Susan G. Komen breast Cancer Foundation. 15% goes to the National Philanthropic Trust Breast Cancer Fund. Go to the link below to make a donation. Thank you! https://www.kintera.org/faf/donorReg/donorPledge.asp?ievent=131571supid=127 047049
Re: One yearling left, 4 mares, 1 stallion
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, please, please put at least the State and East or West on addresses. Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Christmas present for your mares.
This message is from: Les D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All I have a sweet, well mannered, GREAT disposition Gentleman by the name of Grabbson ( NFR-Y-150-S ) looking for a new home. Due to our health problems ( wife had heart trouble and I'm parts and pieces ) we feel we can't handle the foals anymore. We really don't want to lose him but feel we must. I have hand bred him and field bred him. He gets along with any horses that I have put him with. His main interest is GIRLS but is easy to handle. Cynthia Madden told me that at least once he was driven at Blue Earth. The reason I bought him was all the horses that I saw that he had produced had GREAT a temperament. ( he has produced over 46 progeny, 6 were gray ). Since I got him people have told me about the Grabbson horses that they have and how great they are. Also on the list I keep seeing people with foals from Grabbson babies. Our first foal from him is already sold to a lady that plans on using him in her group horse program ( when he grows up ). I'm asking $ 5000.00 for him with travel papers but would consider other offers. We want him in a good home. We are 80 miles from the Oregon border in Northern California. So make some mares happy and bring home a Great Stallion. Les Margaret H. Callahan,Ca
Re: abortion/bleeding mares
This message is from: Linda Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would just like to say a BIG thank you to everyone who e-mailed the list and privately regarding my mare. It has put my mind at rest. My mare completed her last course of penicillin yesterday and the vet does not think that she has aborted, so things are looking very positive. Thanks again to everyone, Linda
abortion/bleeding mares
This message is from: Janet [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am not a vet, so my comments are nothing more than observations mostly based on thousands of pregnant sheep but abortions almost always are accompanied with a brownish tinge to the blood, i.e. the blood is not fresh. The one exception was when I had a mare promptly abort 5 days after giving her quest, in that case everything was quite fresh, but with no warning. I have observed sheep that had some fresh blood on and off but produced normal live offspring. i.e. fresh blood means there is always hope all is well, brown blood always means something is not well. I believe placenta privia is possible in mares? (where the placenta lays accross the cervix). I think there are some risk factors involved if this is the cause, but it is possible for her to go term without incident. janet
Re: Abortion/Bleeding Mares
This message is from: Jon A. Ofjord [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:19 AM 9/21/2005 +0100, you wrote: This message is from: Linda Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED] My mare is 5 1/2 months pregnant (last covering 11th April) and has begun to bleed. Has anyone experienced anything like this before? I have looked through all my books and browsed the internet and I can find plenty on the causes of abortion but nothing actually describing the process and if it is possible for mares to bleed without actually aborting. Any information would be appreciated. We had a similar situation with one of our mares. She would bleed off and on, sometimes it was quite a lot (or seemed so) and she was also pregnant. Our vet checked the mare with a type of clear plastic tube that she inserted vaginally into the mare, then looked inside with a flash light. What she found were nodules of blood, clustered like grapes - was her description. She described these nodules as something on the order of varicose veins. The mare had five foals before we got her and she was otherwise healthy and active. Once we knew this was her problem, and it was described to us as nothing serious, we stopped worrying so much. I believe the vet did cauterize some of the nodules and the bleeding ceased. I hope this is what is happening to your mare and that it is not a serious issue. Good luck. Jon Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords Grand Marais, MN 55604 www.northcoastfjords.com
Abortion/Bleeding Mares
This message is from: Linda Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, My mare is 5 1/2 months pregnant (last covering 11th April) and has begun to bleed. It is very light bleeding and red. I called the Vet yesterday when I noticed it and he is not sure if she is aborting or not, but is coming out every day to give her antibiotic injections and to monitor her. She is not showing any signs of discomfort and is eating and drinking normally. This morning the Vet came out again and she had passed a blood clot overnight which I showed him. He seems to think it is fresh healthy blood and wasn't any sign of any aborted material, so he doesn't think that at this point she has aborted. I asked about scanning her to see what was going on, but he doesn't think it is wise at this stage in case it causes her to abort. She has had 3 foals previously with no problem and both her and the stallion had clear swab tests. She was covered at home as I own both her and the stallion, and she has not left my premises since. The only thing that I have done differently in recent weeks was that I wormed all the horses with an Ivermectin based wormer on 1st September. The stallion had diarrhoea after this and lost a bit of weight. The others have shown no ill effects (until now?). I checked the wormer and it is safe to give to breeding animals up to 5x the maximum dose. Has anyone experienced anything like this before? I have looked through all my books and browsed the internet and I can find plenty on the causes of abortion but nothing actually describing the process and if it is possible for mares to bleed without actually aborting. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Linda
Re: Two very good Fjord mares for sale - 1 for CDEs and 1 for riding breeding.
This message is from: Carol Riviore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- Tomorrow is the last day (Cones Test) of our Nova Scotia Beginner Driving Vacations, week # 13. -- Two more weeks to go, and sadly it will be all over for another year. -- It's really been great this year with fun guests and awfully good horses. We have two exceptionally high quality mares to offer, and I have to say that whoever gets these horses, gets excellent value. TUNDRA 8 yr. old mare imported as a yearling by Beaver Dam Farm. -- We sold Tundra as a 4 yr. old trained to ride and drive. She went to a woman with quite advanced MS., but before Tundra left our farm, we trained her to be a therapeutic riding horse for her new owner. -- This woman kept Tundra and used her riding and driving for three years. -- Unfortunately, this spring she found she couldn't keep Tundra any longer due to a worsening of her disease. So, Tundra returned to BDF on consignment. -- She's in great shape, and everyone agrees that she's a delightful mare to ride and drive. Tundra is sired by the Dutch Elite Stallion, DRAGSET. There's a strong mare line as well. -- Tundra is 13.3 hands and has super conformation. Good legs, very good body, wonderfully shaped neck, and a good head. -- In my opinion, she would evaluate very well, and particularly high for type. -- Tundra has exceptionally good movement. I wouldn't say a fancy mover, but something much better than fancy. Tundra is totaly correct in her gaits, and has a super ground covering walk and trot. She's a total delight to drive for anybody from our Beginner Driving Vacation guests to experienced drivers. This mare has everything it takes to win in CDEs. -- She has the movement and physical qualities necessary for success, AND, she has a wonderful go forward attitude. -- How often do you find that? A horse who will go forward with as much energy as you want, and at the same time, will go slowly if asked. -- In our 27 year experience with the breed, this ideal combination of traits is not at all common. I've been teaching with Tundra this week, and honestly, I'm really proud to drive her. She's a top notch horse, and a real winner! -- She's solid and safe for anybody to handle, ride, and drive. She's also super friendly, and just adores working. $16,000. ~ The other great mare we have to offer is a 17 yr. old Gjest daughter. Her name is A2Z Agneta (Gjest x Ylanda) Ylanda is a Ster Mare sired by the great sire of daughters, the Danish stallion, Hjerter-Knaeght, and was imported years ago by Beaver Dam Farm. -- The Dutch purchased H.K. from Denmark when he was a young stallion, and he then stood for the Dutch Studbook longer than any other approved stallion in their history. H.K. finally had to be put down at an advanced age after being kicked by a mare during breeding. -- Beaver Dam Farm has imported several Hjerter-Knaeght daughters, and this bloodine has always been one of our absolute favorites. -- Fjords from this bloodline tend to be dark in color, have pronounced zebra stripes. They all have huge eyes and well shaped jowels. They tend to have black stockings, hard, clean legs, and wonderfully big round hooves. Agneta (Aggie) is a delightful mare to handle and ride. She's a true Gjest daughter with an enormous stride. -- EVERYONE loves riding this mare. It's a great workout riding Aggie because of the wonderful swing of her back. One of this week's guests is in love with Aggie after yesterday's afternoon trailride. The woman is an experienced rider and was overwhelmed with surprise to feel this mare move with such vigor and suppleness. -- But, that's the Gjest way of going. My own mare, the beautiful BDF NORA who is an amazing driving horse has exactly the same bloodlines. Gjest as a sire, and a Hjerter-Knaeght daughter (Maryke) as a dam. -- Nora also has this huge, swinging, ground-covering walk. Same as Aggie. Aggie has had a lot of high quality foals, and is also a good mother. Her consigning owner would like to see her go to a home where she'll have a few more foals to improve the Fjord breed in North America. Aggie has been in riding training with us all summer and is in excellent condition. -- She does not drive. This is a mare you will be able to really enjoy for a lot of years to come. And as an investment, she's a darn good one. Breed her to a QUALITY stallion, and you'll have a valuable foal. -- We'd be glad to help you with stallion selection. A2Z AGNETA is priced at $10,500. Please call or email Carol with any questions. -- We have full videos on both horses. Kind Regards, Carol Rivoire http://www.beaverdamfarm.com Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet, Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 Tel:(902) 386-2304 Fax:(902) 386-2149 Carole
Re: 2 excellent mares for sale from Beaver Dam Farm
This message is from: Carol Riviore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- I want to tell you about two VERY GOOD MARES we are offering - TUNDRA - 7 yrs. old. Imported by Beaver Dam Farm as a yearling. -- Tundra stayed with us and was trained daily until purchased at age 4 by a handicapped woman with MS. We trained Tundra very specifically for her new owner. -- Since the woman had little use of her legs, we trained Tundra to respond to two dressage whips instead of legs. -- We trained her to stay unperturbed when the rider's hands or body was less than still. -- We even trained her to stop if the rider fell. -- Anything could be done with this mare. We crawled under her belly -- slid off her backside -- fell off her while trotting. --- As a 3 yr. old, Tundra was trained to drive by a marvelous driving trainer here at Beaver Dam Farm. -- Today, she's a superb driving horse that we've used this summer in our Beginner Driving Vacations. The fact is that Tundra has been trained consistently the last six years of her life since we imported her. -- While she's been with her handciapped owner, she was in pretty much constant dressage and driving training. -- This mare has had over $30,000 worth of training. Tundra's name fits her perfectly. -- She's a beautiful mare with wonderul conformatioin. Everything about her fits and functions. -- Frankly, I would be astounded if this very typey mare didn't get a very high score if and when she's ever evaluated. Tundra has wonderful breeding. Her sire is the Dutch Studbook ELITE STALLION, Dragset. -- Dragset was imported by the Dutch from Norway, and he's a son of Holtar who was sired by Grabb. I've driven Tundra quite a lot, and LOVE DRIVING HER! -- This mare could do well at a CDE tomorrow. -- She's so well trained, and so loves to work. She's supple and strong. She has everything it takes to make a great CDE horse. She has no bad habits. She's pleasant to work with, and she's an excellent worker. -- This young mare with all the training anybody could ever expect to find as well as a stellar pedigree -- excellent conformation and movement -- All this, and she's for sale at the very reasonable price of $15,000 U.S. ~~ SAAKJE - 8 yr. old imported Ohlsen Junior daughter (Rei Halsnaes bloodlines) -- SAAKJE has been one of our Nova Scotia Beginner Driving Vacation school horses for four years now, and she does the job uperbly. -- This mare is a younger version of our superb senior mare, STINE. -- Same beautiful head and big, round body set on excellent legs. Same wonderful presence . . . . or almost. No horse will ever be as good as Stine, I'm afraid. Saaje is as proven a driving horse as any horse is likely to ever be. -- She's wonderful with all our beginners each and every week. -- She works with a different group of beginner drivers 15 weeks out of the summer, and she never loses her cool going cross country -- on the dressage field -- or doing the cones course. She doesn't lose her cool, nor does she lose her elegance. Saakje is a jewel to handle by anybody, and her only bad habit is getting out of her halter, and opening about any latch. -- She's a true magician. She can open about anything. We've used her for children's riding lessons and she's thoroughly reliable. Saakje is a perfect age -- Perfectly trained -- Perfectly beautiful -- Healthy, fit, and absolutely sound. All our past customers can attest as to what a reliable driving and riding horse she is. They simply don't get any better or more beautiful than this well-bred imported mare. $22,000 U.S. We have a good video made of Tundra that shows the therapeutic training we did on her as well as recent footage of Tundra driving and riding. -- We don't as yet have a video on Saakje, but that will happen by the next weekend. Two excellent horses available from Beaver Dam Farm Regards, Carol Rivoire http://www.beaverdamfarm.com Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet, Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 Tel:(902) 386-2304 Fax:(902) 386-2149 Carole Rivoire, author of THE FJORDHORSE HANDBOOK, only book in English on the Fjord breed, available from Beaver Dam Farm, $36.95 US includes PH http://www.beaverdamfarm.com/book.htm
Re: Nurse mares
This message is from: Lisa Wiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robyn, I was suggesting a poor mare that has lost it's foal. Not one made to be a nurse mare. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose Corresponding Secretary FASTeam http://www.myturnabout.com
2 grey mares
This message is from: Catherine lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lisa,,, Yah you talked me out of one of them... and the Pugh talked me out of the other one. :-) When I picked them up, they were not trained for driving. We did the training for driving both single and team with help from dear Frank Hannesschlager. Rune and Frank would take this team and drive them all over our property and connecting lands. Rune was not in favor of keeping them for they were a forward team and he likes and wants more farm teams. (Slow and steady) They produced good off spring and we did get them NFHR Evaluated. Karimill went to the Pugh family and Kariya went on a lease to Lisa and never came home. :-) They booth have good homes and are enjoying life. We are happy for that. Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden Bed, Barn, Breakfast Baskets Southern Oregon
Re: white stars on mares
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would say you could breed her, selecting a stallion that didn't have any known white markings in his offspring or his pedigree. A mare imported in Utero from Norway, ANVIL'S STJERNE , produced some very nice offspring that didn't have any white markings. She has a small white star..thus her name. Again careful selection of the stallion would be important, but would be even more important for conformation issues, which is why the evaluation program is important! You can have several great stallions all evaluated blue, yet one may be more suitable match to a particular mare due to different conformation details. Wouldn't you like to look down a list of available stallions and see what aspects of their conformation, color, movement, etc would best compliment your mare? I think evaluations should be approached in this light..Not being afraid of what the evaluators will find fault with, but to know more about your stallion's strong and weak points so you can intelligently select the best mates. Of course there are those breeders who are convinced that they know much more than any evaluators! Still It is good to have a non biased (barn blind) eye look at him. Same with the mares. Jean in Alaska, warmed up to -10F, hoping for above zero! So, if this young filly has the white star, then she should not be bred? If everything else about her was perfect, top knotch? Debby
white stars on mares
This message is from: Debby Stai [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, if this young filly has the white star, then she should not be bred? If everything else about her was perfect, top knotch? Debby
Re: PMU Fjord mares
This message is from: Donna Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would be interested in the info and pictures. thanks Donna Kelly My treasures do not clink together or glitter.they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night. - Original Message - From: Lisa Wiley To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:24 AM Subject: PMU Fjord mares This message is from: Lisa Wiley [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was just sent word that there are three PMU fjord mares available. They are not bred. I do not know if they are registered or any info about them. I have pictures and a contact person if anyone is interested. I just can't take anymore. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/ http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html
looking for mares
This message is from: Dianna [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anyone knows of some nice Fjord mares for sale, please e-mail Eva at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The closer to the Colorado Springs area, the better! Thanks! Dianna Saleh Fawn Creek Fjords
Re: Stallions and mares
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol made some interesting observations concerning the contributions mares make in the stallion mare mix. I have often heard that the mare contributes perhaps 60%. An old horseman once told me that behind every good horse is a good mare (mother Philip == The observation that Mares contribute more than the sire is based on the additional discovery of Mitochondria, which when carefully analyzed is of really no great importance. I wrote to a Genetical Engineer last fall and asked him about the 50/50 ratio, if it is correct, and this is what he said I agree with you, Ruth - offspring are a 50/50 mix of both parents. However, the mother is (usually) the only parent to pass mitochondria to the offspring. Mitochondria are a tiny fraction of the complete genome (about 1 part in hundreds of thousands). I suspect that is where folks get the idea that the mom provides more genetics info (but it is very minor). Ruthie, nw mt
Stallions and mares
This message is from: Norsk Wood Works [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Phillip Odden, Barronett, Wisconsin Carol made some interesting observations concerning the contributions mares make in the stallion mare mix. I have often heard that the mare contributes perhaps 60%. An old horseman once told me that behind every good horse is a good mare (mother). It stands to reason that if you have a mare that is untrusting and jumps at the very slightest provocation, the foal will learn to be scared as well. If the mare is trusting and seeks human attention then the foal will be right there with her. It may be a different story when you ask the mare or foal to actually do something. All children are good kids until you ask them to do something. It is easy for a horse to be a 'good' horse if it only has to mope around the paddock and is never asked to perform or may never have been tied. Temperament and disposition is best assessed with the pressures of performance. Last Saturday a group of 15 Korean teenage exchange students along with host family members came to our farm for a sleigh ride experience. They were out to have fun and their energy was unlimited. The weather was nice and the snow was warm enough to pack snowballs. These young people had never been near horses before and their understanding of English was marginal. I hitched two fairly young mares, a red dun Wood's Karine (Raude)and Lower Forty Ronja (Freya) a brown dun. Both have been evaluated by official NFHR judges in conformation as well as performance by the way. Saturday they proved at home what the evaluators indicated with their performance scores at the evaluation. We tied two plastic sleds to the bobsled runners where three kids sat on each sled pushing yelling and screaming. Four or five more were seated on the bobsled adding to the commotion. We traveled over the fields and through the woods, snow balls flying and kids yelling, sleigh bells jingling. My pair always stood when I asked them to stand even with plastic sleds squirting out at their feet. They walked and trotted out smartly on the trails through the woods pulling heavy loads trip after trip. When it was all over they endured posed photo sessions as the kids crowded in close. I never felt that they were even close to being out of control, but then this wasn't the first time they pulled sleighs, sleds, and screaming kids. If you are looking for breeding stock the NFHR evaluation process will provide you with valuable information. The strength of the NFHR conformation scores is in the scores given to each individual category such as, head, neck, front legs, back legs and movement at the walk and trot. Probably the most important score is for fjord type which is doubled in the final overall score. High scores in fjord type are hard to come by in North America. If you are looking for a stallion you would want him to offer good fjord type. If the stallion isn't of exceptional fjord type then the mare had better be. Understanding what good fjord type means is not easy and takes a trained and practiced eye. Even a few years ago the choices for high scoring stallions under any system was limited. In the last few years the NFHR evaluation system has identified several stallions scoring 80 and above. There have also been animals that were thought to be of high quality that were found to have significant faults. Besides the home grown stallions there have been many high quality stallions imported from Holland, Denmark, and Norway bringing with them high scores from their respective evaluation systems. Now there is no excuse for not finding quality breeding stock. Phillip Odden Barronett, Wisconsin
Re The Importance of Mares
This message is from: Arthur Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everybody from Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Recently, someone posted to the List a comment about the contribution of mares in breeding. It may have been Jean Ernest. -- Jean (?) Something to the effect that 'stallions get all the notice, publicity, and credit, when it's often a strong mare line that makes for a successful outcome. As a Fjord breeder of 25 years, I agree. In fact, this subject reminds me of a time about twenty years ago when Bob van Bon was sitting in my livingroom and made the same remark. --- For newcomers who may not know who Van Bon is . . . He's the head of the Fjordhorse Studbook of the Netherlands. He's the Chief Inspector of Fjords. He's one of the world's foremost experts on Fjords. -- This was before we moved to Nova Scotia when we were living in New Hampshire. -- Bob was sitting there thumbing through piles of horse magazines, and he said Why do Americans talk so much about the stallions? Why don't they mention the mares? --- He said that when he goes looking for a new stallion for the Dutch Studbook, he ALWAYS insists on seeing the stallion's dam. -- He would never consider buying a stallion that didn't have an outstanding mother. I'd go a step further. -- Verifying the quality of the dam is important in all horse purchases, not just with stallions. I always made sure to look at the mothers when I was buying mares in Holland. I remember one time being quite taken with a certain filly; that is; UNTIL I saw her dam. The filly was really good looking as a yearling, but her dam was a runt which means that the chance of getting a high quality foal out of the mare I considered buying was considerably dimished. Not to mention that despite the filly's youthful promise, she might not mature as good as she looks now. Think about the importance of this! You're at an American evaluation, and a certain young mare receives a blue ribbon. You decide to buy that mare on the basis of her evaluation, and the fact she's by an evaluated tallion. -- However, if you haven't studied the pedigree on both sides, and if you don't know the dam, then you may be in for a surprise when you breed your mare. For instance, if you intend to breed the mare, you might want to know if the mare's dam has a good breeding history. For the last 25 years, we've been breeding Fjords at Beaver Dam Farm. We don't breed a lot of them, but we make every effort to breed good ones. -- We started our breeding farm with three high quality imported mares from Holland, all bred to different approved Dutch Studbook stallions. -- In the beginning, we used the stallions available at the time. They weren't the best, but were the best available. Luckily, our mares were such good quality, that the foals we produced were of decent quality. . Then, in 1985, on a trip to Holland, I saw a wonderful stallion, and decided this is exactly what we needed to achieve our goals at Beaver Dam Farm. == Unfortunately, he wasn't available at any price at that time -- Luckily, two years later he became available, and Arthur and I imported the proven stallion, GJEST. Gjest was as proven as it's possible to be proven. From what I've been told by Bob van Bon, Gjest is the only stallion in Fjord history that has an unbroken sire line of approved stallions down through the history of the breed, leading back to the Matador stallion, BARONEN.-- In other words, Gjest's sire, Helgas-Jarl, was a Norwegian (and Dutch) 'Approved Stallion', as was Helgas-Jarl's sire, and his sire before him, and his sire before him, and so on down through the ages -- Such a bloodline is dependable, consistent, certified, trustworthy, proven, reliable, tested. . . TRIED TRUE. -- Well, back to the importance of the mares, and my point that -- THE STALLION CAN'T DO IT ALL! If a wonderful breeding stallion is bred to a common mare, she'll likely produce better than she is, but the stallion cannot do it all! It won't be a high quality foal. --When we imported the stallion, Gjest, we had as good as they get. Yet, we knew we needed to breed Gjest to the best mares we could find. And to that end, were careful to choose mares sound in every aspect --- bloodlines, temperament, movement, trainability. It isn't enough that the mare is beautiful! In order for that beauty to be more than skin deep, she MUST have been bred for it. We've learned how vital it is to have a high quality mare, no matter how good your stallion is. When we first started, despite all the hoopla about stallions --- which would make anyone think the stallion does it all --- we knew that scientifically the mare contributes 50% to the resulting foal. -- Frankly, I've always thought she contributed more than half, and she does when you consider how she imprints her own character on the foal. She's the one raising him
mares for sale
This message is from: Brian Sharon Dahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have two fjord mares ,Canadian registered for sale.Down sizing herd .One mare is in foal to a Felix son, the other is open. Very reasonable prices.
The importance of mares
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I came across this in an article in the The Draft Horse Journal. We place so much emphasis on the Stallions, But the mares are just as important if not more so. Something to consider. The Draft Horse Journal, Winter 2003 - 4. article on the Featured Stallion, by Bruce Roy Successful horse breeders have always placed great emphasis on the mother of a sire prospect. She had to be a top mare, that came from a proven female family. However, even the veterans little knew how credible their ideas were. Scientists now know the female X chromosome is the biggest horse chromosome and carries much more genetic information than the male Y chromosome, which is the smallest horse chromosome with regard to genetic information. Most body cells contain up to 10,000 mitochondria that are passed on to the foal almost exclusively by the dam. These genetic information carriers seem to contain performance related information such as heart and lung capacities, etc. The results of molecular research are explaining the ongoing success of certain mare families over the decades and supply scientific proof for the infinite validity of strict mare selection for successful horse breeding. Up to now this has only been known in many areas through statistics and breeder instincts. Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska, -10F but suppose to warm up to ABOVE zero! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mares milk
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 12/4/03 1:00:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know the mare milk people in Norway - so far there are three of them. They all use fjords! I've tasted fjord milk, too. Unusual, but good. Hi, I actually stumbled across a program on TV while channel surfing, I think it may have been PBS, that was running a story about one of these places. Didn't think to write down the name. Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR www.fjordhorse.com
Re: looking for fjord mares to buy
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Johana, how interesting. Could you tell me how you would get such a specific grant? Just for three fjord mares? Sounds like straight from fjord heaven? I wish you much luck and be sure to use the list for verification of the mares offered. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946-49 $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
looking for fjord mares to buy
This message is from: Johna Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would like to introduce myself, admitting that I have been lurking on this list since February. I saw my first fjord horse at a show about two years ago. I was so charmed that I wanted to learn more about this beautiful breed. I am the director of a residential treatment program for 40 adolescent boys and girls in South Dakota. We have used horses in a pet-facilitated therapeutic component for many years. We have worked with whatever horses have been donated to our program, or grade horses that we could purchase very reasonably. Thus, to make a generalization, most of the horses we work with are old, or do not have the needed training or patience or energy to work therapeutically with children. When I began to learn about the fjords, it became apparent to me that fjords could make wonderful therapy horses. Unfortunately I also learned that they are not inexpensive. So I have been working to figure out how to secure well trained fjords to work with our children. To make a long story short, I was just notified that I will receive a grant to purchase three fjord mares. Therefore I am looking for well-trained (to ride and drive), people-oriented mares. My preference is for mares that are proven or currently bred for summer foals. I am looking for mares that are gentle, have good breeding, have been evaluated and registered with the NFHR. I really enjoy this list, as I have learned so much just by lurking. So thanks to everyone for all the fascinating reading. And if any readers of this post have information about fjords for sale that may be of interest for me, I would appreciate a private email response. Johna Nielsen Woodfield Center Beresford, South Dakota [EMAIL PROTECTED] Confidentiality Notice: This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential and privileged information which is legally protected. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information by you is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender by email, and destroy all copies of this communication and any attachments.
2 3yo Mares for Sale in Central Arkansas
This message is from: Lori Lemley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2 3-year-old brown dun mares, NFHR registered, I think both are sired by Danser in Colorado. Both are gentle and have had some ground work, but I don't think they have been ridden yet. They are good buddies and should drive well as a pair, but could sell separately. Their owner regrets having to part with them (her husband died recently), and is asking $2500 for each. I would like to see them stay in Arkansas, and would buy them myself if my own Fjord mare weren't already pregnant, but their owner would like to find them a new home before winter, so if you are interested, please contact me and I'll refer you to their owner. Thank you, Lori Lemley Little Rock, Arkansas 501-470-0967 home 501-412-8128 cel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mares for Sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, We have two mares available for sale. We are doing some major downsizing due to my work with the UEF. A HREF=http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=2146HorseName=FC%20GwendellinPage=1Sort=0;FC GWENDELLIN/A PDC-K-1227-M 6 year old white dun mare out of Lin and by Modellin. 14.1 Gwen is professionally trained to ride and drive, handles beautifully, has an amazing presence. She had a gorgeous foal last spring, and is currently bred for a fall foal. $8500. A HREF=http://www.nfhr.com/ponyweb/ponyweb.cgi?horse=4848HorseName=RenatePage=1Sort=0;RENATE 2348-B/A GB-H-1601-M Out of Seira and by Holtar. 9 year old brown dun mare. 13.3 Renate has had fundamental training under saddle and with ground driving, although used primarily as a broodmare. Her last filly was a red dun. Renate was abused by her last owner and still can be timid. She responds very well with females. $2500. Please email or call for details, thanks! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 FAX: 775-383-6813 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords Lynda C. Welch United Equine Foundation [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.altrue.net/site/uef/
West Nile Vaccine's Pregnant Mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, Because this vaccine is relatively new, I've wondered about giving this to my pregnant mares. I recently read an article in my THE HORSE magazine. The name of the article was WNV and Equine Abortions? The gist of the article was that they looked at 400 equine abortions for evidence of WNV. They found that 8.8% had evidence of WNV. It has not previously been associated with abortions, and they are not saying it is now. They will be doing further testing to gather information in determining the relationship between WNV and abortions.I guess, for me, I'll be waiting till after my babies are on the ground before using this vaccine. It is something I will be giving to all my horses. Also, My vet told me a few years ago that he'd rather wait to give the pregnant mares their rabie vaccines till after they foaled. He said there had been some cases of abortion that they felt where directly related to having had a recent rabies vaccine. I have lost a littler of puppies because of this same reason. Maybe some of you breeders have never had this problem, but again, I'm not taking any chancesbetter safe then sorry. Just thought I'd mention it. Aimee
rescue mares
This message is from: MeadowLark Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been reading the posts about the rescue mares. I was surprised to learn that the mare named Molly is a full sister to Troll C-492, who is the sire of Sherle and Walt Monheims's beautiful stallion Lower Forty Bodil (evaluated blue in conformation and he has also passed all of his introductory performance tests with flying colors to receive his Silver Medallion of Quality. Beauty AND brains!) Bodil has a wonderful disposition. We also own a wonderful Troll son. If this girl takes after her family tree anyone should be proud to take her home. We have found it isn't unusual for quality horses to wind up in adoption. I've no desire to start any controversy (rescued Fjords versus those from a breeder-we love them ALL!) I would just like to see Molly and the rest of these girls have a chance at a good life. We have several beautiful, gentle and beloved rescue Fjords and we highly recommend adoption. Helen Schadler
6 Mares in Need of Homes
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone, Steve has kindly agreed to let me tell the list about 6 Fjord mares we are trying to place by March. These mares are from a PMU farm and are being pulled off the line as the rancher no longer wishes to have any purebreds, is concentrating solely on his crossbreeding program. These mares are as follows: Molly, #C-322, White dun. Born 1985. Heljo's Starna #C-295. Brown dun. Born 1984. Triangle E's Paula #C-341. Brown dun. Born 1985. Triangle E's Rosa, #C-340. Brown dun. Born 1985. Note, these mares, while registered, were never put in this farmer's name, so registration would have to be done by the buyer. The other two mares age from 7-8, and are out of one of the above girls and sired by: Oswald, #C-321, White Dun, Imported from Germany in 1984. Not sure what his birthdate was as the page is cut off. His breeder was Dr. Wilhelm Klee. Oswald is deceased. This farmer also stood a registered Fjord by the name of is Buck, #FS2743. This stallion was registered with the CFHA but this is a very old registration, so do not know exactly which Buck this one is. However, it is very doubtful this is the sire of the above mares as he died quite a few years ago. 3 of the mares are bred to one of the following stallion breeds, most of which are registered: Quarter Horse, Percheron, Belgian, Paint, Suffolk Punch, a purebred Fjord stallion out of one of the above mares and sired by Oswald, not registered, and a Fjord cross stallion sired by Oswald. All mares are trained to ride and are gentle and have kind dispositions. All are desperately in need of an adoptive home. One of the younger mares is blind in one eye due to an injury. If adopted in Canada, meaning no paperwork needed to cross the US border, the adoption fees would be $1603 plus transport. If brought into the states, the adoption fee would be $2000 plus transport from the holding facility either in WI or MI. Please email me privately if interested in either adopting or helping us to bring in these mares. Also, to avoid the discussion of volatile subjects on this list, remember we do have a Fjord list designated for this purpose. Thanks much, Lynda C. Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, Equine Managed Foal and Breed Specific Division Norwegian Fjord Representative United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm UEF Fjord rescue email group: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords
What do you feed your pregnant mares?
This message is from: DT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you do anything different in the feeding for your mares. If so when and what? Deb
Re: Mares seasonal behavior
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am interested in buying a Fjord seems that many Fjord owners say that their mares attitudes do not change when they are in heat. -- Hi Linda, I have a 13 yr. old mare and never notice any difference in her attitude. But then she is not around any other horses most of the time. Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
Mares seasonal behavior
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am interested in buying a Fjord and I feel that my preference would be a gelding, however, I've been reading some materials on the Fjord horse and it seems that many Fjord owners say that their mares attitudes do not change when they are in heat. Can anyone shed any light on this subject? Linda
