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Re: [Freecol-developers] Java version bump

2022-02-20 Thread winter


Hi,
 
normally I'd think, its a good idea to require a newer version when the old ones
get deprecated, though it seems no new features are needed and there are people
waiting since years for a release while they are on 0.11.6 or some other 
bug-ridden
version including game-breaking bugs and a security problem.
IMHO there should be a Java 8 compatible release for these people, as some may
be on an older OS/distro without new Java. After a release would be the better 
time
to up the requirements.

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Re: [Freecol-developers] TradeRouteInputPanel patch

2021-12-14 Thread winter

Hi,

> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Dezember 2021 um 06:33 Uhr
> Von: "Michael T. Pope" 
> An: "Stefan Fellner" , "FreeCol Developers" 
> 
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] TradeRouteInputPanel patch
>
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 20:24:35 +0100 (CET)
> Stefan Fellner  wrote:
> > I redesigned the trade route handling to be able to define for each stop 
> > what to load and what to unload.
>
> Is that not already clear?  The existing stop shows what leaves the
> colony.  Anything not present gets unloaded.  Having to specify things
> twice sounds more error prone.
>
I had no time to look at the patch, but from playing other games like Patrician 
II,
a trade route stop needs a 3(5) way choice for each good (maybe button near 
each line to toggle the 3
or have default be nonexisting line while allowing to add a good to the action 
list for that stop):
- default (do nothing, tbd if empty stops would be skipped or route followed to 
avoid enemies)
- load (with or without limits)
- unload (with or without limits)
- Other games may also need direct buy and sell (or maybe for Europe or Native 
auto trading?).
This should allow routes where you collect some goods but bring everything to 
the hub city.
Additionally, you can allow for more than 1 stop or doubled goods in the action 
list for one stop
at same place for prioritizing cargo types through unload+load, if you allow 
dragging up and down
in the action list for each stop, as the space in a wagon/ship can get too 
small.

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Re: [Freecol-developers] TradeRouteInputPanel

2021-12-08 Thread winter

Hi,

I've not much time atm, but in short:

It would be desirable in the future to get rid of the use of JDialog for all modals with maybe subframes with modal settings, because JDK since years do not support opening such independent windows while having the game run inside a fullscreen frame at same time.

This caused glitches like dialogs behind the game frame that could not be interacted with and strange blinking and strange focus settings, which made us switch to windowed mode by default, but there it is still not perfect.

This was too big of a project though with unknown outcome, because it was not clear if something like a subframe even could be made modal correctly or that is unsupported (reading the docs did not give any clues back then).

This should wait until after a release was made though, as it would severely destabilize the codebase.

Greetings,

wintertime

Gesendet: Dienstag, 07. Dezember 2021 um 09:01 Uhr
Von: "Stefan Fellner via Freecol-developers"
An: "Freecol Developers"
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Hi to all,

I am currently working on the TradeRouteInputPanel (Mike told me there was some issues there).

Unclear. Generally I prefer to have as few modal panels as possible, but

I can not think of a good reason not to have the TRIP non-modal with

respect to its parent TRP.

I used the already in-place mechanism of opening the panels only once per class in the Widgets (canvas#getExistingFreeColPanel()).

Regards to "modality" - I added a marker for the MenuBar / Actions to not be enabled in case of some non-modal input panel is open at the time (Reason: If you are in the non-modal TRIP panel and enter the name of the TradeRoute, all mnemonic keys could immediatly open another panel).

Usually FreeCol currently mostly uses FreeColDialog instances for modal dialogs, however I figured it might not be disered/necessary to change the TRIP to a really modal dialog. (Please tell me if you'd prefer that).

Consider yourself free to come up with a better design if you wish,

however I would initially just try to make the current design work. We

are guided by the appearance of Col1, but do not stick closely to it (as

distinct from game functionality where Col1-compatibility is very

important). I do not have a template or description or any sort of

preferred look and feel--- I try hard to keep out of those areas!

I don't really wanted to change the design, but only adding another GoodsTypePanel, because I couldn't see how the TradeRoutes could define there goods to be loaded vs. unloaded. (only one drop target GoodsTypePanel to put the cargo's onto was present).

Icon-wise to be able to display the goods loaded in a TradeStop vs. unloaded - I am open for suggestions - I could make one too - I was thinking of some compound Icon like the given cargo icon plus some kind of arrow-icon overlaying it signaling loading / unloading. I have to browse through the available icons - maybe something like that is already available. If not I will try to make suggestions; however I am not a graphics guy :P ;) - so if there is someone capable here - please contact me :)

(Unless you like my suggestion then :D).

Ahm, and another quick question if anyone may know:

If i need to I would like to override the DefaultTransferHandler - is there any reason why this class was made final?

BR,

Stefan!

Dec 7, 2021, 07:45 by mp...@computer.org:

On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 14:26:09 +0100 (CET)

Stefan Fellner wrote:

First off, is there a BR ticket about it?

No. I forget exactly what way it was broken, but IIRC dragging goods

types was displaying incorrectly.

Is it wanted to have multiple TradeRoutePanel / TradeRouteInputPanels open at the same time?

I do not think that is necessary.

Also then following the TradeRoutePanel - shoud the InputPanel be modal (at least to the TradeRoutePanel)?

Unclear. Generally I prefer to have as few modal panels as possible, but

I can not think of a good reason not to have the TRIP non-modal with

respect to its parent TRP.

Am I free to design how this panel should work, or should I stick to original col1, or do you have a template or description?

Consider yourself free to come up with a better design if you wish,

however I would initially just try to make the current design work. We

are guided by the appearance of Col1, but do not stick closely to it (as

distinct from game functionality where Col1-compatibility is very

important). I do not have a template or description or any sort of

preferred look and feel--- I try hard to keep out of those areas!

Sorry for the slow reply, I see you have been busy. Will catch up

properly soon. Note though, I generally prefer to discuss these questions

on freecol-developers.

Cheers,

Mike Pope

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Re: [Freecol-developers] Nightly Builds broken

2021-08-27 Thread winter

Hi,

I guess, everyone was having more important things to do?
As I did not have any time either besides answering the few
questions people still have, I was struggling with if/how
I could ask again.

1. Is the CI problem fixable?
There is no way to even trigger a nightly release for months.

2. Shouldn't there be a real release then?
Have you seen on https://github.com/FreeCol/freecol/issues/54
people are asking for a release? I feel they have a point,
but I can not make it happen.
The last question was about getting the merge request with
the backport of the security fix to be 0.11.7. If it is
not possible to release 0.12.0 that may be a faster way
to get at least the security fix out to them?
Personally, I'd rather have a 0.12.0, even if the release
notes have to warn about the known problems. It should still
be an improvement of the current status. People seeing new
releases would also renew interest in the project.


Greetings,

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Re: [Freecol-developers] Nightly Builds broken

2021-05-30 Thread winter

Hi,

> Gesendet: Sonntag, 30. Mai 2021 um 12:23 Uhr
> Von: "Michael T. Pope" 
> An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Nightly Builds broken
>
> On Sun, 30 May 2021 08:46:33 +0200
> win...@genial.ms wrote:
> > I just found out while trying to trigger a new nightly release
> > that there are major changes between Github and travis-ci.org
> > and when clicking the build button on https://github.com/FreeCol/freecol
> > there is a warning they shut down travis-ci.org and want people to
> > sign up for travis-ci.com .
> > Additionally, I found this blog post:
> > https://blog.travis-ci.com/2021-02-22-switch
> >
> > It seems it already stopped working between 2021-04-04 and 2021-04-18,
> > as Mike had triggered a nightly release on that day and it did not build.
> >
> > Atm, I'm not sure how we should fix this?
>
> Likewise.  Who does?

I did some searching.
They are consolidating both of their domains, but want people to sign up anew
to the .com version (free for open source). There is some transfer option,
but someone would have to figure out how to log in there.
https://blog.travis-ci.com/2021-05-07-orgshutdown
https://discourse.julialang.org/t/reminder-travis-ci-org-shuts-down-on-december-31-2020/47234
https://mailchi.mp/3d439eeb1098/travis-ciorg-is-moving-to-travis-cicom?e=%5BUNIQID%5D
https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/migrate/open-source-repository-migration
https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/status-images/

Even with that fixed there would still remain the older problems where the
automatically started builds are failing.

> > As I'm a bit out of the loop, I'm not sure which issues are still blocking
> > a real release on SF?
>
> The performance bug is still lurking and I have made no progress there
> lately.  The trade route panel is borken and proving annoying, I have had
> three goes at fixing it but last time I concluded that the whole
> drag-and-drop system needed work:-(.  However, it might well be
> time to do 0.12.0-alpha1.

IIRC the performance problem on Linux existed for several versions already.
It would be nice to see that fixed, but I'd think its time to not let it
hold up all other updates (including the security fix) from getting released.
My guess would be it is a JDK bug, as I remember reading it worked for some
people using some additional options and it does not appear on all systems.

I can not say anything about the trade route menu, as I tended to manually
load all transports when I played. If it is usable but ugly, I'd let it pass.

Greetings,

wintertime

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[Freecol-developers] Nightly Builds broken

2021-05-30 Thread winter

Hi all,

I just found out while trying to trigger a new nightly release
that there are major changes between Github and travis-ci.org
and when clicking the build button on https://github.com/FreeCol/freecol
there is a warning they shut down travis-ci.org and want people to
sign up for travis-ci.com .
Additionally, I found this blog post:
https://blog.travis-ci.com/2021-02-22-switch

It seems it already stopped working between 2021-04-04 and 2021-04-18,
as Mike had triggered a nightly release on that day and it did not build.

Atm, I'm not sure how we should fix this?

As I'm a bit out of the loop, I'm not sure which issues are still blocking
a real release on SF? I think, with the nightly builds down and 0.11.6
being not recommended for use since a while, this will get more and more
useful though.

Greetings,

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Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

2020-08-13 Thread winter

Hi,

the instruction on that news item are only for contributing to the website, but if you look at other pages on there you will also find information on contributing to other parts of the project, like the game itself.

For example:

http://www.freecol.org/how-to-contribute.html

http://www.freecol.org/documentation/

Not sure what you mean by being member, as you could not post on the mailing list if you were not already subscribed on it?

If you talk about having a Sourceforge account, that is helpful to allow you to create and comment posts on the forums and create and comment tickets on the bugtracker.

Greetings

wintertime

Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. August 2020 um 21:16 Uhr
Von: "Mr. Paul"
An: "D Blakeley"
Cc: win...@genial.ms, freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
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Hi Blake,

Thank you so much for your response and encouragement!

I am wondering if the first steps I should do in order to contribute for development are stated here?

http://www.freecol.org/news/first-steps-for-contributing-to-freecol-website.html

Does the instructions for Mac similar to the ones for Linux?

Also, should I become a member to make posts easier to

freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net

Thanks again,

Pavel

On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:19 AM, D Blakeley <d_blake...@yahoo.com> wrote:

1) I missed this one big time in my super game a year or 2 ago. I'm big on trading weapons with all the tribes and turning them into mercenary forces to harass other European powers in all my Col games. Knowing the tribe weapon & horse supply levels like in Col1 would have been useful but I forgot to add it to the suggestions/wishlist area back back when I gave the guys feedback. So I like this idea!

3) They exist.. admittedly it took a lot longer for them to appear in FreeCol then they did in Col1 but after drenching the tribes in weapons and horses I had armed braves and armed mounted brave units hoping about the map just fine, but not many per tribe. Maybe their old basic brave units need to be killed off before they considering building armed and mounted versions.

On Thursday, 6 August 2020, 07:40:53 am ACST, Mr. Pavel Koterniak <teachermr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi wintertime,

Thank you for your response.

I was thinking of adding the following functionalities to be closer to Colonization 1:

(In regards to Indians and Indian Report)

1) Add the amount (number) of muskets and horse herds each tribe has.

2) Keeping all the tribes in the report even though they are extinct.

3) I looked through the variety of units and didn't see Warriors (Braves armed with muskets), Mounted Braves or Mounted Warriors.

I am wondering if these functionalities are possible with the current engine?

Thank you,

Pavel

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 6:13 PM , <win...@genial.ms> wrote:

Hi,

sorry I did not answer earlier. It is because Mike knows better about current tasks, but since he got a long todo list he also seems to not having had time until now for this.

As this is a volunteer preject, you are free to choose any task you would like. You could find some on the bugtrackers and on the feature tracker:

https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/bugs/

https://github.com/freecol/freecol/issues

https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/pending-features-for-freecol/

If it is a bug you'd like to fix, just comment in the ticket that you start working on it and then make a pull request.

If it is a feature, some other change for any new idea you got or anything bigger, it would be a good idea for you to ask beforehand for advice. It is also safer to ask if it is a useful change beforehand, so as not to be surprised if there is some reason such a change could not be merged or if some other approach to it could be better.

Welcome and hf

wintertime

Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Juli 2020 um 11:48 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, "Mr. Paul" <teachermr...@gmail.com>
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

Welcome to the team Pavel! You are most welcome!

I'm not part of the programming team (I help out more with 'customer service' and social media lol) but hopefully Michael or Winter can get back to you in the days to come with their thoughts on the best ways new programming talent can help out. If I had to guess though they'll probably give you some info on the programming and software they use and then tell you to take a look at the bug ticket area lol!

Regards

Blake

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Hi FreeCol Developers’ Team,

I am currently a Comput

Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

2020-08-08 Thread winter

Hi,

I remember this being asked a few years ago already.

IIRC the discussion back then got to, that knowing such numbers is basically a cheat (same as knowing settlement defenders, which is also intentionally not possible, even though Col1 had it). Then there had been the suggestion to only have a yes/no icon in advisor for when you gave the horses/guns yourself or you saw a unit using them, but noone cared to implement that non-cheat-version, because it was not giving enough cheat-like information for the person to bother.

As for 2: I guess, there had been a reason to have it like it is (maybe less menu clutter), but that is from before the time I was interested in FreeCol. I do not know, if it would help to have that and more people would like that?

As said, 3 is already there. It might not be in Colopedia, as it would be a game spoiler?

Greetings

wintertime

Gesendet: Samstag, 08. August 2020 um 10:42 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers"
An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, "Michael T. Pope"
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

In Col1 the tribe weapon/horse stats were on the Indian Advisor screen. Here's a picture of what it looked like.

https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Indians_(Col)?file=Indian_report_%28Col%29.png

Was useful but far from perfect. Others can correct me on this as I'm going by memory here but I'm pretty sure figures were rounded down to groups of 50 so if a tribe had 178 muskets it would display 150. 127 horses would be "2 herds" of 50. Personally I'd rather just a flat out true number and nothing fancy like they did lol! Once again others can correct me on this but I was never quite sure if the Col1 Indian Advisor weapon/horse numbers updated properly when a tribe used/spent 50 of either to arm a unit. I remember it used to annoy me when the Indian advisor would tell me a tribe had bugger all horses & guns plus hardly any armed units on the map yet all their towns would refuse my trade carts with them saying they had more then enough lol.

I remember being pleased in FreeCol that the tribes were more interested in buying weapons and horses off me than in Col1 even if I didn't see them using them in FreeCol as much as they do in Col1 sadly. In my big game a while back I saw quite a few mounted braves but armed braves were rare and armed mounted braves were super rare but yup they are definitely there and not missing Pavel.

No native settlement population figures in Col1 that I can recall. The advisor just gave a general settlement count.

Regards

Blake

On Saturday, 8 August 2020, 09:51:18 am ACST, Michael T. Pope wrote:

On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 17:17:01 -0400
"Mr. Pavel Koterniak" wrote:
> (In regards to Indians and Indian Report)
> 1) Add the amount (number) of muskets and horse herds each tribe has.

Where did this information appear in Col1? I have always been dubious
about for example revealing that information on the native settlement
popup, because unless you gave the natives the required horses and
muskets or have a friendly missionary in the settlement, there is no
obvious way you can tell the exact composition of their military.
Currently you can not even tell the settlement population[1]. OTOH, if you
want to add that information at the tribe level in the aggregated native
relations report, that is more defensible. We have a lot of complaints,
which I agree with, that the natives are too weak.

> 3) I looked through the variety of units and didn't see Warriors (Braves
> armed with muskets), Mounted Braves or Mounted Warriors.

You are right that there are no such dedicated unit types. But there
certainly are Mounted Braves et al. You need to understand Role.java.

Cheers,
Mike Pope

[1] Did Col1 reveal native settlement population?
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Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

2020-08-04 Thread winter

Hi,

sorry I did not answer earlier. It is because Mike knows better about current tasks, but since he got a long todo list he also seems to not having had time until now for this.

As this is a volunteer preject, you are free to choose any task you would like. You could find some on the bugtrackers and on the feature tracker:

https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/bugs/

https://github.com/freecol/freecol/issues

https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/pending-features-for-freecol/

If it is a bug you'd like to fix, just comment in the ticket that you start working on it and then make a pull request.

Welcome and hf

wintertime

Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Juli 2020 um 11:48 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers"
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Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol: Contribute Programming and Content Writing

Welcome to the team Pavel! You are most welcome!

Regards

Blake

On Friday, 24 July 2020, 06:55:53 pm ACST, Mr. Paul wrote:

Hi FreeCol Developers’ Team,

I am currently a Computer Science student with focus on Java programming. I am also a huge fan of original Colonization and FreeCol.

I am excited to have a chance to contribute for the programming part (bug fixes, new functionality) and historical content writing (I am big gan of history!).

Please let me know how would be the best to help.

Thanks,

Pavel

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Re: [Freecol-developers] not dead yet

2020-07-19 Thread winter

Hi,

I look for questions I could help with when getting a notification, but I never 
tried multiplayer, too.
The problem with the self-created map did not have enough information to 
reproduce it. I guess, with a log and savegame/map file Mike would have already 
found the problem.

Greetings,

wintertime



> Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Juli 2020 um 15:20 Uhr
> Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" 
> 
> An: "FreeCol Developers" 
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] not dead yet
>
> Hey guys,
> 
> Getting a nice injection of FreeCol activity at the moment (either from my 
> maps post at heaps of places or from people finding it themselves I guess). 
> Also had multiple people across my Colonization social media sites post about 
> playing FreeCol and there's a bit of SF forum activity too which is good to 
> see! :)
> 
> In regards to the SF forum activity could Mike, Winter or anyone else who has 
> good technical knowledge of the game do a quick pass on the recent threads? 
> There's a whole bunch of questions and I lack the technical knowledge of the 
> game to help them sadly and I've never tried multiplayer.
> 
> In the help subforum there's a few new unanswered july threads:
> Guy asking about design chart diagrams:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/141201/thread/2fbdfcedd0/
> 
> This fellow created map that's lead to crashes:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/141201/thread/8dbe059a0f/
> 
> 
> There's a thread in the FreeCol sub forum from june about multiplayer issues 
> that's unanswered:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/141200/thread/953d314cb8/
> 
> 
> In the General discussion sub forum there's 2 more threads about multiplayer 
> issues:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/fc735ff2bb/
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/d487ad4b/
> 
> 
> This one is not so important for replying to as it's just a freecol 2 ideas 
> subforum post but I thought I'd mention it anyway for 'good customer service' 
> and thoroughness lol:
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719665/thread/5ae7386f94/
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Blake
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Web update

2020-07-05 Thread winter

You are right, the news is up!

Take a look, please!

I decided to do the Jekyll guide first, then write about the website update later. I guess, it got myself into writing a whole series, as the directory structure, the file structure with the yaml header and maybe more could be explained.

Thanks for motivating me Blake!

wintertime

Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. Juli 2020 um 18:58 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley"
An: "win...@genial.ms"
Cc: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, "Jamaica Boby"
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Well you 'control the news' mate so you can put whatever date you want on it haha. ;) Just backdate it a month or 2 so its still newer than that other news item about the freecol vulnerability and I doubt anyone will notice or complain. They'll just think their browser cache hadn't updated last time they visited or something lol.

I'll get around to writing up those other news items sooner or later, but obviously your work on the site is the one thing I can't write up as only you know and understand everything you did so no one else can write it up better.

Oh and when the time comes I'll no doubt have to ask for your help on making sure I correctly add the news items. I haven't really looked at it properly though so for I know it'll be easy and I won't need help thanks to your conversion of the news section.

Regards

Blake

On Monday, 6 July 2020, 02:01:47 am ACST, win...@genial.ms wrote:

Hi,

you are right, I regret not putting up a news item on the website update. At first I had no time and then it seemed too late?

From looking at the pictures, I did not see any examples of new content? It just seems to be changing the design while not updating any content?

I apologize in advance, but I have to say the current version of the new design does look much less sophisticated than the old one and reminds me of every other page made in recent years, without anything unique that stands out.
It also seems inconsistent in the background colors jumping from dark grey to white and back.
Part of a word from the menu line on the index page being on the different background looks bad and lowers readability.
On most of the other pages, half of a full HD screen is wasted with the header banner picture, making the viewers scroll down needlessly much, if they care to.
Would you tell more about why you think you need Bootstrap, as I do not see anything in the mockup that requires introducing another framework? I know about bootstrap, it is mostly just for button and menu styling, but it comes with 2 _javascript_ frameworks. Also, I dislike that bootstrap moves the styling commands back into HTML, when the whole reason to have CSS is to have the styling done separately. I anticipate problems with this when using Markdown for new content, as naturally there is no HTML attributes to put bootstrap styles. As we have and need no Ajax, I see no need for JQuery, which IMHO is obsoleted by modern _javascript_ anyways. Then there is popper.js, but these overlays which move in the way of seeing the content when scrolling are mostly just distracting the viewer from the information they would like to see.

I know the current website does not fit well on a mobile screen, but I'd hope someone with time for it could just tweek the CSS a bit. As FreeCol is played on desktop, I'd think, most people viewing it are on a computer and not on mobile, anyway.

Speaking from a project management perspective: Doing a rewrite may seem like a more fun thing when starting it, but when thinking more thoroughly about it a rewrite on an already existing project is rarely the right thing to do. Incremental updates are much faster and in case something happens causing people to have less time, the project still got an improvement, not just something that is unusable/halfdone. Additionally, rewrites usually get less fun the more complete they are.

Regards

wintertime

Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. Juli 2020 um 14:37 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers"
An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, "Jamaica Boby"
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Web update

When I saw your first email Bobby I thought to myself "Winter is going to LVE this (sarcasm) as he only just finished overhauling and updating the entire site already hahaha". ;)

Re: [Freecol-developers] Web update

2020-07-05 Thread winter

Hi,

you are right, I regret not putting up a news item on the website update. At first I had no time and then it seemed too late?

From looking at the pictures, I did not see any examples of new content? It just seems to be changing the design while not updating any content?

Regards

wintertime

Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. Juli 2020 um 14:37 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers"
An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, "Jamaica Boby"
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Web update

When I saw your first email Bobby I thought to myself "Winter is going to LVE this (sarcasm) as he only just finished overhauling and updating the entire site already hahaha". ;)

I'm pretty sure I suggested this a whole back but Winter you probably should have made a news item about the website overhaul being released and talked a bit about what you did so the public actually KNOW about all the hard work you put into it in the backend since in the frontend people aren't really going to notice as things still look the same. Which also means the site still has that 'abandoned look' due to the lack of news items and new multimedia content. I was thinking of making up a news item about the recent big map pack addition as that's pretty cool news! Also a news items about us regaining control over the FreeCol moddb page might be another news item to chuck in! That news page needs some more content!

Blakeley also said he would like to work on the website content a while ago, maybe you could try to coordinate.

==> How can I contact him?

Slightly misunderstanding on this bit. My plans are to simply add new up to date screenshots to the screenshot section and make a new videos page similar to the screenshot one. Overhauling the whole site is not of interest to me, plus I don't have the skills for that as I'm not a programmer like you guys are, I just know a bit of basic html. So I'm unfortunately I'm not much help to you Bobby, sorry mate.

I should also say that the whole recent map saga massively delayed my plans to do that new screenshots and videos section stuff, and now I'm busy with other stuff but I'll get to it eventually lol!

Regards

Blake

On Sunday, 5 July 2020, 09:33:11 pm ACST, Jamaica Boby wrote:

Hi!!

I have a little skill of english, sorry if i can't explain better :S

I would guess, up until now you actually just did some mockup pictures using some tool, but did not do anything for the real website? I'd be happy to comment on them if you could show pictures big enough to be readable.

Please use this other link, and use bottom navigation

https://www.figma.com/proto/r1RUrbF

Re: [Freecol-developers] Web update

2020-07-05 Thread winter

Hi,

 

it is difficult to know what you did and what you would like to do, as your email is very general and the linked page only shows tiny, not clickable thumbnails.

I would guess, up until now you actually just did some mockup pictures using some tool, but did not do anything for the real website? I'd be happy to comment on them if you could show pictures big enough to be readable.

 

You should know, that around end of last year to beginning of this year I worked on updating and modernizing the underlying website code and fixing a large amount of broken things. We also finally decided on using Jekyll with custom mostly pure HTML5 and CSS templates and content being either HTML5 (old or if special formatting is useful) or Markdown (new and easy), after contemplating for a long time -- that is why I'd like to keep that as the way the website is generated and not introduce any other frameworks, to keep it simple, secure and updateable for everyone. Somewhere on the forum is a posting where I explain how to work with Jekyll and locally compile and test the website, which I'd liked to add to the documentation.

The website code is still inside the main FreeCol git repository, although David wanted to extract it into a separate repository on GitHub. I'd be happy to review content updates and put the updates on the server; it might take a few days though. Easiest might be if you take a look at how current pages are done and then start small and send pull requests. Blakeley also said he would like to work on the website content a while ago, maybe you could try to coordinate.

 

 

Greetings

 

wintertime

 

 

 
 

Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. Juli 2020 um 03:36 Uhr
Von: "Jamaica Boby" 
An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: [Freecol-developers] Web update


Hello

A friend of mine and I are working on a freecol.org web update
I don't know if we can finish that update but 
before continuing we need to know if there are an interest in that update,

You can see a proptotype of that update (not final real web!) in that link (*1)

https://www.figma.com/file/r1RUrbFES8HCTEjmgJDpCx/Desktop-Website

(*1)The web is not started only the protoype

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Re: [Freecol-developers] New pull requests

2020-04-13 Thread winter

Hi,

I found that the SF and GH repositories had diverged a bit, as Mike and the translators committed to SF and David added some merge request to GH only.

I merged and pushed to both now.

I also triggered a nightly, as that was getting a bit old. This is easy btw, just

git checkout slim

git pull github slim

git merge master

git push github slim

and then the nightly is triggered and made automagically in about 5 min.
This still works, whats broken since about a year is only the automatic update of the GH repo from SF.

When doing that its a good idea to also push latest master branch to github.

Greetings,

wintertime

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. April 2020 um 10:22 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers"
An: "Michael T. Pope" , "David Lewis"
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" , "freecol-website-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net"
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] New pull requests

1. I'm guessing the issue David is talking about below is why there hasn't been a release since Feb? FYI Marcin is asking again for a new release to test Mikes latest changes presumably.

2. Mike I've followed your instructions (thanks again) and fixed all the map names (shorter and no spaces) and I've edited the properties file in the strings area with all the new maps and names etc and it's correctly displaying in the game! :) However before I submit a new github PR I figured I'd get some final feedback from you, Winter and others first as I had some queries that only you guys would know the answer to. Here's a direct link to the post on page 2 of Mazim's maps thread:

https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/141200/thread/9eb4fbdf/?page=1&limit=25#dbec

3. Also FYI I'm not sure if this is related to the stuff David was talking about but the website https://freecol.org/ is not loading at all.

This site can’t be reached

freecol.org refused to connect.

Try:

Checking the connection
Checking the proxy and the firewall

ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED

Regards

blake

On Monday, 16 March 2020, 09:23:18 am ACDT, David Lewis wrote:

Hi Mike,

I haven't had a chance to look to determine why yet, but the master branch CI builds are failing.

This could have been due to a bad change that I merged in last week or so.

If you have a chance to take a look at it, that'd be great. Otherwise, I'll try and get to that later this week.

Bringing this up because we might need to roll back a merge/commit before merging any of these other PRs.

David

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 2:21 PM Michael T. Pope <mp...@computer.org> wrote:

On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 11:47:42 + (UTC)
D Blakeley <d_blake...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've gotta say with all due respect it seems strange that the whole map usage system requires manual entry into some translation list instead of storing the required extra info in the map files themselves and simply having a map reader that pulls the info out of the map files. As then all this special work and list management isn't required when regular users want to add maps to the game.

You could think that... but you would be wrong:-).

FreeColMessages.properties is the master file containing all the strings
that will be displayed to the player[1]. Or more precisely, the player in
English(US) locales. Look around the strings directory, it is full of
similar files with locale suffixes for numerous different languages and
dialects. Heck there is even English(GB). This does not happen by
magic, but thanks to the volunteers at translatewiki who take the master
strings file and make localized versions of it with the same keys but
translated values, which they then commit back to our sf repo (although
this is equivalent to magic in terms of the effort required from the
FreeCol project). This means that if I like, I can play FreeCol in
Finnish or Catalan or ... which is really cool.

There is a cost to this of course. Throughout FreeCol we have to be
careful to display only strings that have been looked up in the correct
strings file. There is some pretty clever code that does this, written by
smart people that understand i18n/l10n (i.e. not me). But as long as we
keep every displayed string in one place for the translators (who know
*nothing* about the structure of FreeCol), they can easily do their magic
and we get a better game.

So now Blake, you want to put a displayable string in some other random
file? I hope you can now appreciate that... that is a big ask.

> so that's presumably a few different new programmers wanting to help you which is really good (maybe the new welcome thread attracted their help & sent them in the right direction, or a least that's what I'm going to tell myself haha).

We will never know for sure, but I hope you are right.

Cheers,
Mike Pope

[1] Except...

Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol XXE Vulnerability

2020-01-14 Thread winter

Hi,

> Gesendet: Montag, 13. Januar 2020 um 23:10 Uhr
> Von: "Michael T. Pope" 
> An: win...@genial.ms
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] FreeCol XXE Vulnerability
>
> By all means go ahead with the website changes.

I had to update the post date, then I committed it and
freshly uploaded the website.
I also put the news item on the project page:
https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/news/


As far as the discussion was gone, which we had about doing
0.12.0 soon, is there any annoying+blocking bugs left?
- Is the fix to the returning from Europe bug sufficient
or is it necessary to do something for the very few cases
where in a save the ship was already in Europe?
- I'd like to see https://github.com/FreeCol/freecol/issues/15
fixed, cause it is irritating to play like that, but
if 0.12.1 would come fast it should be ok to fix it later.

Greetings

wintertime



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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread winter

This was all before I joined the project. My assumption had always been he is only to be contacted in case of emergency.

We should only disturb them after everything is decided, and then it would fall on Mike, as he is the one who knows them.

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:30 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina"
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "FreeCol Developers"
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

Has anyone tried to contact him?

Jonathan Aquilina

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM <win...@genial.ms> wrote:

As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is controlling the domain records, which means it is not that easy.

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:20 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina" <eagles051...@gmail.com>
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "David Lewis" <highwayofl...@gmail.com>, "FreeCol Developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

Hi Winter,

You are worried about breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to that you would need to add a CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point to the .io site so if i go to the .org it would redirect me to the alias .io

Jonathan Aquilina

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM <win...@genial.ms> wrote:

Hi,

a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.

It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.

If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.

We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.

There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a backup before a switchover!

I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever controls the .org domain giving his ok.

Greetings

wintertime

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 06:31 Uhr
Von: "David Lewis" <highwayofl...@gmail.com>
An: "Michael T. Pope" <mp...@computer.org>
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

Lol, bizarre.

Yay for Yahoo filtering.

I don't know that the forums would be moved.

I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source forge, just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the ticket tracker to GitHub issues.

I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.

David

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope <mp...@computer.org> wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
win...@genial.ms wrote:
> I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other stuff is still on SF?

Quite so. I wish people who want to move stuff around would
at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
problems, like how to move the forums. The website is easy.

> Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on GitHub?

That is a timely remark. Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:

Your website is currently hosted at
http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4

To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x, click the button below.
There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You may switch back if needed.

I propose to click the button. There is also some interesting stuff about
github connections which I have yet to read. More soon.

And in the special D Blakeley section:-): Blake, yahoo is not
accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.

<d_blake...@yahoo.com>

The reason for the problem:
4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'

Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn'

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread winter

As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is controlling the domain records, which means it is not that easy.

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:20 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina"
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "David Lewis" , "FreeCol Developers"
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes